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Tens of thousands attend Operation Ceasefire in Washington

Posted by aubin on Sunday, September 25, 2005 at 11:09 PM (EDT)

A recent article in the Washington Post describes the scene at yesterday's Operation: Ceasefire performance at the National Mall in Washington D.C.

The Anti-war protest includes an estimated 300,000 person march and included an estimate 20,000 concert attendees at a performance featuring Ted Leo and the Pharmacists, The Evens, Bouncing Souls, Wayne Kramer of the MC5, LeTigre, as well as Thievery Corporation, Steve Earle, The Coup, Headroc and the Bellrays. Jello Biafra hosted the event which is part of a three day action by the United for Peace organization. Between musical performances speakers including host Jello Biafra, Anti-Flag drummer Pat Thetic, Cindy Sheehan and many others spoke about the anti-war movement.

The Evens' Ian MacKaye spoke before the band began their performance, saying: "As discouraging as it is that this administration got in not once, but twice, they're gonna leave. Get strong and get ready to go to work!." The article described the Bouncing Souls performance as "living up to their name with a blast of energy."

A pro-war demonstration also took place today, with as many as 400 people attending.

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Someone (September 25, 2005)

400? That's not cool.

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Someone (September 25, 2005)

Probably wasn't even 400 people. I'm sure a few of them were just lost on their way to the Smithsonian.

burntorangepeel (September 26, 2005)

I read only 150 people, in an Associated Press article.

Someone (September 26, 2005)

they fucking closed off half of PA avenue for that shit, forcing me to waste gas having to go around it. so fuck them i hope all 400 of them get AIDS

Someone (September 26, 2005)

I think most people that are pro-war are too busy working to be able to attend rallies. I know I am.

eightyeight (September 26, 2005)

what a jackass. you deserve a slice of the old dick pie. nic.

Someone (September 26, 2005)

busy doing what ? making bombs? what do you do every day that supports the war? If I understand your comment correctly you are insinuating that you are too busy running the world? The US economy would fall apart if you left your job for an afternoon (yet you find time to post of fucking punknews??) Too important to take time to support things you believe in? i see plenty of pro-lifers taking the time - they're right wing aren't they? they support this lost cause of a war don't they? what makes you different from them ? just curious. You must be a white collar superstar - making deals and keeping the economy alive right ? That would leave me to believe that you have a 9 to 5 - which leads me to believe you work monday to friday like the rest of us stiffs. It was a Saturday. You work Saturdays ? Get me your bosses email address I'll tell him you deserve a rai

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Someone (September 26, 2005)

Busy at work on sunday, eh? Your excuse falls very short of explaining why only 400 people attended the pro-war rally.

Someone (September 26, 2005)

I think most people that are pro-war are too busy thinking up cheapshot insults to offer an intelligent, cohesive argument explaining why this war is justified. I know you are.

Someone (September 26, 2005)

YEAh, Fuk you dude. How dare you support that OIL war. WHy cna't you just bring up a good arguement instead of supporting tha war and buiilding bombs and fuking eating babies and shit. you republican. I hate how you won't even deabte your lies with us. Suk my dik adn stop eating babies.

Someone (September 27, 2005)

wow, I feel smarter

colin (September 25, 2005)

this made page A10 in the fucking oregonian (portland's paper) A10 how disgusting. i get the fact there's some major disasters, but they're trying to bury every possible aspect of public display against the administration.

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skaboom (September 25, 2005)

If you live in Portland and your newspaper puts anti-war protests on page A10, you are reading the wrong newspaper.

colin (September 25, 2005)

well it's the actual newspaper, not the freebies that are really liberal. i read all the papers here, but it's the uh... "real" one, or at least the one that covers national news.

Someone (September 26, 2005)

Dude, you live in Portland. There are probably more important things to report about on the west coast. I mean, how many anit-war demonstrations has there been in the past 2 years? War protests are old news. Huge natural disasters wiping out most of the golf area is new and "exciting" news.

Someone (September 25, 2005)

Great blog (or whatever the fuck it's called) about the protest: http://www.theagitator.com/archives/001285.php#001285

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Someone (September 25, 2005)

That's some lame right-wing blog talking about a protest from 2002.

Someone (September 25, 2005)

haha, i thought that was pretty funny

eightyeight (September 26, 2005)

dipshit central. nic.

Someone (September 25, 2005)

Ted Leo is the fucking man.

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Someone (September 26, 2005)

just the man or The Man with the big hand that holds everybody in this land down? just curious because i like hate mail.

Someone (September 27, 2005)

havn't heard this one on this website before

Someone (September 25, 2005)

Only 400 pro-war? haha

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Someone (September 26, 2005)

yeah the "pro-war" people actually have jobs to be at

Sick_Nick (September 26, 2005)

on a sunday, don't you pro-war people go to church though.

Someone (September 25, 2005)

The SECOND the Souls hit the stage to a good 10 minutes after, it was a celebration of everything the event was for. All the good energy came together to form one word repeated over and over.. "OLAY" Jello was unable to speak after their set cause the crowd sang OLAY for a good 10 minutes and most of it involved dancing and clapping with no Souls on stage. Best show of my life

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Someone (September 26, 2005)

I seeing the bouncing souls TOMORROW! Hard nipples! Hard nipples!

jamespastepunk (September 25, 2005)

Le Tigre headlining over the Souls? Huh?

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Someone (September 25, 2005)

God, just shut up.

joeg (September 26, 2005)

thank you

maverick (scott) (September 26, 2005)

Are there pictures anywhere of this? It sounds totally awesome. -Scott

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andrew13 (September 26, 2005)

michaelmoore.com has pictues of the protest... not of the concert though...

musical-monkey (September 26, 2005)

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music/joanbaezwar.jpg

Someone (September 26, 2005)

ill see your totally awesome and raise you a Tubular with a thumb and a pinkie.

notfeelingcreative (September 26, 2005)

A pro-war demonstration also took place today, with as many as 400 people attending. I don't see a demonstration voicing support for the troops as 'pro-war', no one likes war! The people who support the troops are just supporting the soldiers and they agree that the war is not completely pointless, but I doubt their saying 'woo hoo we love war, let's go start another one!!!" I'm against war completely, but I don't think it's right to portray people whose opinions differ from ours as 'pro-war'.

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SteveJonesTheRealBones (September 26, 2005)

i was just about to write something along these lines - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Someone (September 26, 2005)

i doubt the person that classified them as pro-war saw any differnece other than it was a seperate rally and was much easier to just say pro-war than anything else....

Someone (September 26, 2005)

pro-war = support the war...duh and yes, surprisingly, there are people out there that like war

fistchode (September 26, 2005)

Strawman strawman

Someone (September 26, 2005)

oh shit! owned by logic!

Someone (September 26, 2005)

FUCK the troops! Even if you are poor and don't have much of career oppourtunities, you don't go and participate in an illigal war.

redpatch (September 26, 2005)

haha illigal

CrookedSuperhero (September 26, 2005)

Yeah! You work a dead end job you hate for the rest of your life! Pretty easy to say that on the high horse, isn't it?

Someone (September 26, 2005)

ooh! the MTV punks gonna cry about this one....

ILOVESCOTT (September 26, 2005)

agreed

Someone (September 26, 2005)

Unless you enlist to serve in a war you believe is justified, and the first place you get sent is said illegal war. I'd say to ask Pat Tillman about that, but he's, ya know, dead and all.

Aubin (September 26, 2005)

Perhaps it's an oversimplification, but I don't understand the connection between "supporting the troops" and "supporting war." They seem like two, almost mutually exclusive things. Of course, I'm Canadian so maybe it's some sort of weird metric logic thing.

notfeelingcreative (September 26, 2005)

YEah it is kind of a contradiction, but people don't want to admit that their sons and daughters are out there fighting an unjust war therefore, in their minds "if we support the troops, we must support the war".

Someone (September 26, 2005)

bullshit. you're pro-war. sorry that hurts your feelings.

Dante3000 (rich) (September 26, 2005)

While I do believe this war was/is completly pointless, I still support the troops. It seems almost impossible to do it anyother way. Example: You hate war, so you probably value some sort of human life. The troops are all humans (til we get some freaky futuristic Terminator shit). So if you oppose war you should support the troops because they are human life and they should be valued. I hate this stupid excuse for millitary action and I hope in our history books it goes down as an unneed excersise in nation building. Regardless, I hope every one of those jarheaded, gun toating, sonsovbitches comes home in one piece. I don't like every soilder, but I don't like every doctor, musician or teacher I've ever met either. But I think we owe these people the common respect to understand that they are a human life and even if that life has decided to do something we don't und

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SenorRefresco (September 26, 2005)

How can anyone that has even a vague understanding of the US's relationship with Sadam in the 80's support this war? Come on people, put 2 and 2 together.

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Someone (September 26, 2005)

why shouldnt they? i know this is bush's son, but its a diffent government than 25 years ago

Someone (September 26, 2005)

You are a moron. Same Gov't. Same people. Different head.

Someone (September 26, 2005)

So you're saying that the Clinton Administration was exactly the same in every way to the current Bush administration? You are an idiot. The Government changes and evolves same as everything. If your theory is true than the government is exactly the same as it was in 1944. Nice try moron.

Dante3000 (rich) (September 26, 2005)

I think what he's saying is things changed under Clinton. When Bush was "elected" he surrounded himself with all of his daddy's friends. Why else does his cabinet look 40 years older than G.W.? -Dante

Someone (September 26, 2005)

If that is what he/she is saying, then he/she needs to be more specific. That was a very broad statement. There have been quite a few administrations throughout US history. It seemed to me that he/she could have been refering to any number of those.

Someone (September 26, 2005)

i like how no one in the other thread really has any idea what you are talking about, but i agree

Someone (September 26, 2005)

the 400 figure is correct but I saw in an AP article that there were up to 100,000 there, not 300,000....but whatever

BrandonSideleau (September 26, 2005)

anyone "pro-war" shouldn't be demonstrating- THEY SHOULD BE ENLISTING! Oh wait....they want YOU to do it for them. Fucking hypocrites......that's only the beginning of my beef with these rednecks. As for this show.....sounds cool.....Bouncing Souls were always a good band.

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fistchode (September 26, 2005)

you can be for war without wanting to be a soldier. if you're going to attack the right, why not do it in a way that makes sense?

BrandonSideleau (September 26, 2005)

that does make sense....they need more troops over there and anyone within age who is "pro-war" should go....afterall, it's what they believe in. Bush's daughters should have been mandatory front line soldiers the first week of fighting. Bet he would've hesitated a bit if that happened?

redpatch (September 26, 2005)

just because you believe in something doesn't mean you have to die for it

Someone (September 26, 2005)

yeah...just let someone else die for you

fistchode (September 26, 2005)

So if I am to be pro-any industry, I should be damn well ready to join that industry as soon as there is shortages?

Someone (September 26, 2005)

agree!!

Someone (September 26, 2005)

First off, I am not anywhere close to a redneck. Second, I am for the war and I am in the military, and yes I am not demonstrating. I am pretty sure that I am not supposed to and plus I am too busy doing my job to attend demonstrations anyway. Third, many people who are for the war who I know are either medically unable to join or are too old to join. A lot of those pro-war demonstrators are parents of those in the war and of those who lost family members in the war. They are by no means hypocrites. The person that I have beef with is Cindy Sheehan. I can only hope that if I ever die in war that my parents don't dishonor me like that.

BrandonSideleau (September 26, 2005)

Well.......if my parents wanted me to die for oil in Iraq....I think I'd feel a little differently about them. Oh wait....we're defending "Freedom"......you're laughable buddy.

Someone (September 26, 2005)

Die for oil sucker!

Someone (September 26, 2005)

Yes, this war is all about the oil. That is why oil prices have skyrocketed since we've started it rather than stay down.

Dante3000 (rich) (September 26, 2005)

hold up the war truck: I am pretty sure that I am not supposed Not supposed to demonstrate? Or something else? As for everything else you said I'll let everyone else bring that shit up. This just stood out. -Dante

Someone (September 26, 2005)

There is a clause in the UCMJ that military personnel are not supposed to attend political rallies, at least in uniform.

eightyeight (September 26, 2005)

gonna have to agree with the general consensus. you're fighting a money driven war. sorry to have to tell you this, but your "commander in chief" is a fucking joke. it sucks that the military have to die for such a bullshit reason. if you honestly believe that this was is right, then fuck you. you are as blind as a fucking bat. i don't have any respect for people who can't keep their eyes open to the bullshit. that's great that you're a soldier, i have alot of friends who are soldiers, but they all seem to have gotten the net on this one. they don't feel that this war was at all necessary. they are over there and have no reason to be. but, go ahead and keep thinking that way. use people like cindy sheehan to cover the complete and utter stupidity of mr. bush. 1000 cindy sheehans couldn't make us forget how much of a goddamn cunt this president is.

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eightyeight (September 26, 2005)

one last thing..... you are aware that china is letting us borrow a ton of money (increasing our deficit) for this mistake of a war, right? we're borrowing money from our rival in world power. age groups 18-26 are the one's that have to pay for this war. we are now china's bitch. nic. p.s. sorry for the "fuck yous" but i'm so sick of this shit.

Someone (September 26, 2005)

When that happens our only prayer is our strong military.

eightyeight (September 26, 2005)

there's is bigger. 2,500,000. i guarantee that if the government hadn't pulled the wool over the american public's eyes, our military would be alot stronger. nic. p.s. china-1,306,313,812 u.s.-295,734,134 i think it's a no contest.

swank (September 26, 2005)

Was Michale Graves one of the 400? with his misfits makeup on?

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Someone (September 26, 2005)

...and Jerry Only probably showed up at both demonstrations to sell misfits dolls and merch

BrandonSideleau (September 26, 2005)

QUESTION- This is merely out of curiosity- is Michael Graves the only Misfits Repub......or are Jerry Only & pals over there as well? What about Glenn? He seems to have some "odd" (to say the least) political views.

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Someone (September 26, 2005)

Mr Danzig CAN'T be a republican, he's the blackest of the black!

Someone (September 26, 2005)

we can only speculate, but Jerry O would sell his mother if he could that's for certain... :-) who is most evil a neoliberal or a satanist (Danzig)??

OctEgon (September 26, 2005)

Glen is actually a member of the Necronomic Party. They're platform is pretty spooky He wants Halloween to be a Government Holiday Equal voting rights for the Un-Dead Legalization of blood-based beverages Driver Licenses for undocumented She-Beasts And he wants to re-instate The Brady Bill

ElVaquero (September 26, 2005)

Win.

Someone (September 26, 2005)

" at the National Mall in Washington D.C." OMG MALL PUNX!

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fritobandito (September 26, 2005)

Haha

ElVaquero (September 26, 2005)

Double win.

Someone (September 26, 2005)

Anyone have at least a partial setlist for the Souls' performance? And what's this about a PRO-WAR demonstration? Goddamn liberal media making red-blooded Americans look bad, that's for sure. I'm gonna go listen to some Michael Savage and beat up a fag.

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Someone (September 26, 2005)

setlist was (in somewhat of this order if i remember correctly) that song say anything kids and heroes hopeless romantic argyle east coast fuck you born free no security joe lies cracked true believers night on earth does anyone have any pictures from the set? or video?

sickboi (chris) (September 26, 2005)

I read that pro-war article, and you know what cracks me up? These people actually think that we hate the soldiers. I have no problem with the troops, well not all of them. Some of them are young kids, who are egotistical and critical of anyone not involved in the military that is of the same age bracket. In fact, a couple months ago, some friends and I were out shooting pool when this group of maybe 6 guys (prolly ages 19-22) came in to shoot pool and start talking smack to us. We could tell that had just gotten back from Iraq by the things they said. So we weren't even discussing the war, or even politics, and these kids are saying that we hate America and we don't have the balls to go to war. I calmly explained to them that my response to jump is not "how high" but "why?" This seemed to annoy the boys further. Just as 2 of them started towards me, their CO ca

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Someone (September 26, 2005)

I did four years myself, and I'm constantly correcting Nationalistic shitheads that you can support the troops WITHOUT supporting the war. That being said, I was stationed at an Army assignment (I was Air Force) and I had dumptrucks full of trash-talk dumped on me daily, not unlike what you went through. Most of it is all talk, though - Once I started talking smack back to them, they respected me and most of them became my friends. Example: "Hey faggot! Know why I didn't join the Air Force?" "Because they require an IQ higher than 50?" "FUCK YOU!!!!"

Someone (September 26, 2005)

Kids 19 - 22 will do that same thing without being in the service, and without being pro-war or anti-war. That's just guys in that age bracket. You'll realize that in a few years.

sickboi (chris) (September 26, 2005)

Ummm...I'm almost 26. I do realize that, but I know for a fact that the training (especially with Marines) teaches these kids that they are essentially better than everyone else. They are the "few, the proud" and so on. I understand the logic behind it, but due to the limited amount of "bodies" available, recruiting standards aren't very high.

Dante3000 (rich) (September 26, 2005)

I knew a guy (and his friend) that weren't even going to the middle east for sure but they were learning Persian (I can't spell the actaul language, Farcy[sp]) and man for some reason they hated middle easterners. Everyone of them was a camel jocky or a sand nigger. It just didn't make sense. I know a lot of it was said in jest but still they weren't ever called Iraqies or Iranians or Persians when they talked. Course, I think they ended up getting booted for some shit, so maybe they weren't prime examples. -Dante

Someone (September 26, 2005)

I think they hated middle easterners becuase it seems as though they hate us. I'm not trying to rock the boat here, but just about everyone over there hates us no matter what we do. Even before all the gulf wars and so on, we were the infidels. We were the scourges of the earth not fit for the scraps off their tables. I'd like to know what most people on this Website think about that. I agree, the leaders of this country may not have made the best decisions, but, prior to any of this, we were still hated. Does noone remember September 11? Has that already become old news? Or is most of this protest for the war in Iraq? But then, wasn't Sadamn(sp) a maniac that terrorized his people? Why shouldn't he be stopped? These are a few questions I have.

Someone (September 26, 2005)

just about everyone over there hates us no matter what we do. 1. No all middle easterners do not hate us. There is a radical sect that happens to feel that way. while i don't think the majority of rational thiking arabs condone our lifestyle they are not all dying to eradicate us. Think of it as Chirtians who oppose abortion and Chirstians who blow up abortion clinics. big difference. Does noone remember September 11? 2.I remember september 11. if i recall correctly most of them were saudis not iraqis. Has that already become old news? 3.no not old news, just not all that relevant to this war. Or is most of this protest for the war in Iraq? 4. you're joking right? wasn't Sadamn(sp) a maniac that terrorized his people? 5. he wasn't the greatest leader on the planet, but i can think of a few larger immediate or despotic threats/issues such as N

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Someone (September 26, 2005)

5. he wasn't the greatest leader on the planet, but i can think of a few larger immediate or despotic threats/issues such as North Korea, Iran, Syria, Sudan, and throw China in there if you really want to get freaky. Most of these countries have nuclear arms pointed at us, and several other countries in the world, thus making an assault suicide. Saddamn was supposed to only have the components. Would you rather attack a guy with a gun to your head, or a guy with the components in his briefcase?

Someone (September 26, 2005)

Iran has no nuclear weapons, north korea doesn't, if syria did they would have used them on israel a long time ago...all you've got is china. so, no, there is no gun to our head from these countries. just for the record...what sort of components were in iraq's brief case? exactly.

Someone (September 26, 2005)

I think we need a draft.

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eightyeight (September 26, 2005)

have fun. hope you're the first to go. i'm off to canada. nic.

Someone (September 26, 2005)

there is a draft. can't you feel it. i told you fuckers to close the god damn window.

eightyeight (September 26, 2005)

please tell us your name so we know where to send the "lamest comment of the day" award. nic.

Someone (September 26, 2005)

please, you haven't been reading if you think this is my lamest comment of the day.

eightyeight (September 26, 2005)

good point. nic.

Someone (September 26, 2005)

These numbers are a little off. Now Im pretty left leaning however I hate when news is baised and this is. First off there where not 300,000 almost all news ops and the dc police estimated around 100,000. And I have no idea where they got the figure of 400. There are AP reports of around 25,000 people there for the "pro-war" rally

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sickboi (chris) (September 26, 2005)

There were nowhere near 25,000 people.

Aubin (September 26, 2005)

The source for all figures are the (linked) Washington Post articles. The march was supposed to be 300,000 (from the story) and the show was 20,000 (also from the story.) The 400 figure came from the second story (linked by pro-war) The AP story didn't come out till later; the Washington Post was the first to cover both. From the articles, since they're "registration required": "the size of the march, rumored to be more than 300,000" ", turning the Mall into a giant but exceedingly well-behaved mosh pit. (Organizers estimated attendance at this point between 15,000 and 20,000.)" and "About 400 people gathered near a stage."

Someone (September 26, 2005)

I'm all for people's right to protest the war, but a lot of times people need to be careful about these sort of things. Most of these protests are fund rasiers and outtings for some pretty scary groups. And another thing, nothing will ever get accomplished by these groups aslong as they are lead by people like Cindy Sheehan. If you've followed even a tenth of what she's said over the past several weeks, you'd stay far far far away from her. She recently came out and said, Bush needs to remove the troops from occupied New Orleans. Get a spokesperson who can hold put up an intelligent arguement and maybe a rally like this will change some people's minds, until then, it's just a bunch of crazy people to me.

MrStabone (September 26, 2005)

while the war on Iraq still wages on, the people who protested at Operation Ceasefire did do an excellent job of causing major problems with the traffic in DC on Saturday way to go! that'll show em.

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Someone (September 26, 2005)

first world problem

Someone (September 26, 2005)

Many of these same liberals supported action in Afghanistan, yet they did not enlist in the army? Chickenhawk much?

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Someone (September 26, 2005)

i supported afghanistan and enlisted, then I got jacked and ended up goin to Iraq, a war i dont support. what luck.

eightyeight (September 26, 2005)

true that. afghanistan made sense. the people that bombed us were from there. or did you forget that, as well? nic.

Someone (September 26, 2005)

I just want everyone to know that i wernt to both demonstrations and found that the refreshments at the pro-war rally were better, but the pretzels at the anti-war rally were good. Thank you In case anyone is interested, I have naked pictures of cindy sheehan. Because I care...

Someone (September 26, 2005)

how come no one has said anything about the evens!? It was great to see Ian MacKaye sitting down, singing, and still unable to contain his passion. I still would rather of heard Fugazi but it was still an amazing performance, especially that new song about politicians leaving office. As for the rest of the march and concert, I thought it was a very moving show of protest even though it was not always the best organized. Reports ranged from 100,000 to 300,000 people and it felt like it with all the energy and conviction from all of the different anti-war organizations present. It was also the biggest anti-war protest since Vietnam. It would have been even bigger if trains hadn't broken down coming from the east. As for the speakers, I thought that Cindy Sheehan was a very weak speaker, which makes it all the more impressive that she had the courage to help lead a mo

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sallyjesse (September 26, 2005)

my roomates went to this. though they mentioned nothing of the music. they listen to 80's metal.

Someone (September 26, 2005)

Saying that this war is solely for oil is a kind of ignorant. There are a number of reasons as to why the Bush admin. invaded Iraq. Controll of Iraq's natural resources could be one of them, but I don't think it's as simple as that. Just going out and saying that this war is for oil is almost as ignorant as saying this war is for Iraq's freedom.

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Someone (September 26, 2005)

id say the war is more about domestic terrorism prevention than oil or freedom, but i think oil is definitely a runner up.

eightyeight (September 26, 2005)

speaking of saying something totally off base............ if this war were about fighting terror, bush would pay a little more attention to the borders. how many people come in illegally every day? our borders are about as out of control as iraq. both are horrible debacles, but you are giving a double standard. it's like saying that you're pro-life and then voting for the death penalty. one step forward, two steps back. nic.

Someone (September 26, 2005)

I was there and I know it's probably bullshit, but around 3:00pm Jello announced C-Span was reporting about 1 million people were there I doubt it was that much but the entire place was packed...........the march started at 1230 and around 4pm there were still people in line to just start moving

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