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i love a good jeff ott joke.

what is your label called? what are you doing for this music scene? how about you go fucking slit your wrists so we don't have to hear your uneducated stupid fucking bitching.

couldn't agree more, fuck these hippy dirtbags

So, wait, a label you don't like sells cheap cds, that you don't like! Other than somehow forcing you to spell the word rock in some stupid, outdated way, how does this affect you?

Plan-It-X CD's are not CDR's.

Really? Jeff????

Taken from the liner notes of the Pretty Hot/ Ghost Mice split that had ghost mice's version of petroleum distillation;

"...fifteen has been a huge influence and a huge inspiration to me. this cover is my thanks. thank you fifteen."

As much as I believe Jeff Ott to be psycho and generally not a good person, I gotta ask a question.

Does that fact that he admitted that he raped someone (self-admitted, he wasn't accused of anything before he admitted what he had done) mean that he cannot release records? Or that there's no chance of redemption or rehabilitation or any of those other things?

Here's another question- how are your Fang & Sex Pistols records doing? There's a couple of murderers on those records- wouldn't they be just as beyond redemption?

That said, I won't be getting this repress because I can't stand him or this later version of his band.

Jeff should've done what 50% of males do and not admit they've raped someone.

Or he could be like 80% of males and me a misogynist dick, who feels no remorse for treating women like shit.

No no, admitting you make a huge mistake and feeling total remorse is way worse, I agree.

He also got counseling.

no.

"Occupation: Student/Freedom Fighter/Living"

I get a laugh every time I see that. "Freedom Fighter," psh.

ditto

He admitted it before the internet was a storage space for every single thing people wrote.

So, while it's hard to prove on the confines of the net, even the guy's fans know what he did and certainly people from the Bay Area.

" people who are abused as children are very likely to be rapist"

stfu, idiot. that's the single most idiotic thing ever posted here.

don't take it so hard; most people here are bored kids looking to start shit. Most of these comments are as serious as they seem

did he do time for it? if not he would need to own up to it. i love how when people like someone here they could forgive someone for something as fucked up as rape. yay for the org.

I'm the one who pointed out above that he volunteered the information in the first place, and I'm also a shit-talker (because I knew him both before and after he went off the deep end). I believe in the possibility of redemption/rehabilitation- although I don't know if he qualifies for that. Regardless, he's still a choad for all the other crap he's pulled.

soo... all he did was talk a girl into sex during an already intimate moment? that is definitely NOT rape.

HAHAHAHAHA

or maybe, just maybe... jeff ott sees more of what he stood for in a label like PIX than he does in a shitty corporate-run label like FAT? just maybe.

its soo cool to hate fifteen now that i heard the singer raped a girl!

I like how people here talk about Jeff Ott's rape but don't know what the fuck they are talking about. They don't know the situation or the circumstances yet they're quick to judge.

The girl didn't say "no," and Jeff took that as consent. As it turns out, she didn't actually want to have sex with him. YES, it's fucked up and all, yet it's not our business to judge him. It's odd that the girl who he raped, by the way, has forgiven him, yet we're still talking shit. And he's done more for victims of rape and batetred woman than any of you fuckers have done, I'm sure.

Jesus fucking christ. Morons.

uh oh, looks like the PIX army has arrived. fuckin' dorks.

I agree with you, wholeheartedly. Jeff Ott, though he may be crazy and his views may be even too radical for alot of us, admits that he's made mistakes, look at the song off "Survivor' that he wrote for his daughter. His lyrics are often more positive than 98 percent of the political bands that everyone is flipping out over, yet based on hearsay, everyone hates him! As I mentioned previously, about half or more of the bands people listen to, take girls backstage, get them drunk and take advantage of them all of the time, but that's okay because they're groupies and they never actualyl call it 'rape', right?

i think it was someone from the promise ring(jade tree).

After reading my own post, it doesn't seem too clear.

When I say "I've raped myself", I don't mean that I have raped someone myself. I mean I have raped my own body. Stupid joke. Nevermind. Not even funny.