Terrorists Aren't Always Islamic You Know

Posted by Aubin on Thursday, October 18, 2001 at 1:40 PM (EDT)

Nothing like an army of psychotics in the country to add to the Anthrax problem, the Army of God, a group of anti-choice (anti-abortion) pseudo-Christians are sending (what appears to be) Anthrax to planned parenthood clinics. Isn't it nice to know that terrorism doesn't care about race, ancestry or religion. Fucking idiots seem to come from all over. (Has everyone forgotten that Jesus was a pacifist?) By the way, here's another editorial about homegrown terrorism, especially in relation to religious groups in the US.
By the way, here's the definition of terrorism, in case you think I'm just being inflammatory

terrorism n : the systematic use of violence as a means to intimidate or coerce societies or governments.

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Someone (October 18, 2001)

ahem, psuedo-christians? that sounds like regular christians to me, you know: intolerant religious drones with the individual creative thought of a dismembered chair. jesus may have been a pacifist, but the disciples were not, and they're responsible for millions of deaths, so whats new?

Someone (October 18, 2001)

You are a total idiot. You seriously think all members of a religious community are "intolerant religious drones with the individual creative thought of a dismembered chair"? That is one of the most prejudiced and intolerant statements I have ever heard. Please shoot yourself, nazi.

Someone (October 18, 2001)

I dont get it. If they are pissed off because "abortion is murder" adn whatnot, then why the fuck do they kill (murder) the people that perform abortions? Isnt that jsut murder too??? BTW - Dont attack ALL Christians, whoever posted above me. I have a few close friends who are devoutly christian, but they dont neccesarily believe everything in the bible, and they are pro-choice. I agree that some sect of the religion take it all way too far, but please dont attack the entire christian faith.

Someone (October 18, 2001)

hey man i practice christianity. im against all forms of war and violence. even after the attacks i dont belive that any violence has to take place to solve problems. i dont belive in death, nor violence, as a penalty. there are assholes who say they are on a mission from christ who do violent things. thats a small amount of people who i dont associate with. just like the muslims who sayed they were on a mission from their god. once again a very small number of people. these people develop their ideas based on the conditions that they live in. i feel sorry for the people who bombed us. afghanistan in one of the poorest countries in the world, and their leadership is etermined by the man who has the most weapons. the have no independence nor freedom. these people are forced to live by the rules of a designated religion, and can face serious punishment if they practice alternt

show rest of commenthey man i practice christianity. im against all forms of war and violence. even after the attacks i dont belive that any violence has to take place to solve problems. i dont belive in death, nor violence, as a penalty. there are assholes who say they are on a mission from christ who do violent things. thats a small amount of people who i dont associate with. just like the muslims who sayed they were on a mission from their god. once again a very small number of people. these people develop their ideas based on the conditions that they live in. i feel sorry for the people who bombed us. afghanistan in one of the poorest countries in the world, and their leadership is etermined by the man who has the most weapons. the have no independence nor freedom. these people are forced to live by the rules of a designated religion, and can face serious punishment if they practice alterntive beliefs. and every bordeing country has the same tryannical rule so there is no escaping it. then the american armies attack their country and their allies. american swaggers with machine guns have huge military bases around afghanistan. they all walk around various ciies and tell people what to do as if they owned the place. the people have to put up with this shit day after day. americans are oppessed but we have more freedoms and liberties than these people could imagine. i understand their anger. i dont belive what they did was right or justifiable. but if you think about it, america and other pretentious countries are doing the same thing. we are just brainwashed to belive that this is okay and it's america's last resort. my point is that these people go throuh a lot of grief and the only thing they can think of to do is get revenge by killing the people who have it better and who are somewhat to blame for their agony. now im sure they would have rather killed the president. the americans would rather kill bin laden too. but like us, who kill civilians because we cant kill bin laden, the afghanistan people had to just deal with killing civilians in the world trade center. the situations are very similar. and yet very hypocritical on behalf of the americans. my point is this terrorim doesnt have much to do with religion. however because they are intensely religious and angry they find ways to interpret their messiah's word to make it okay to kill. just please dont think that all christians, and people of other religions, are out to get abortionist or people of different religions, because its not true. i belive people should be free to live the way they want and do whatever they want as long as they arent hurting anyone else. if we all just live by our own morals and do what we think is best without terrorzing others, we would all be btter off. take care.

Someone (October 18, 2001)

ahem, maybe if you knew anything, you'd know the only people who do shit like that in christianity are the small minority. so yes, they would be considered psuedo-christians, jackass

Someone (October 18, 2001)

I'm not religious at all, so here is my statement. Crusades. How many died...

Someone (October 19, 2001)

Lots. What's your point? It was a war. Two sides were fighting over a piece of territory. That's the same background as 95% of other wars whether religion is involved or not.

Towers (October 19, 2001)

If you had done your history homework you would have known that the crusades were a war waged by the christians to kill all muslims. And it's not true that 95 % of all wars are about territory. They are just as often about revenge, religion and/or freedom fighting.

Someone (October 23, 2001)

the main goal of the crusades was to first capture back the holy land for christians, then after the muslims made major advances out of africa and into asia minor, the balkans and southern europe, to push them back into their original territory. Of course for many the point was killing muslims, but that wasn't the point. If you know anything about medieval history, you would see that religion played a much larger role in people's lives, and often DEFINED nations. im not christian, or muslim, by the way.

Someone (October 18, 2001)

a religious genocide needs to happen, to purify the human race of its biggest plauge... religion

Someone (October 18, 2001)

"a genocide needs to happen" ... ummm yeah, great ethics you have... it's amazing how many bigoted pieces of trash we have on this message board.

Someone (October 19, 2001)

listen retard, put it into the corect context, not a genocide a RELIGOUS genocide, religion is the root of all evil and mankind would be better off without it let me ask you a simple question... how many lives have been lost in the name of god, now how may lives have been lost in the name of satan? who is truely evil?

Anarchy_Adam (October 19, 2001)

Religion has helped alot of people I know get their lives back together. Sure, some people use religion as an excuse to do stupid things, but some people use being white as an excuse to to stupid things, and nobody is saying that we should kill all the white people... well some people are, but it doesn't make it right. I'm not religious, but I don't need to be. I go through life and try to do what I think is right. No gods, or anything. Some people are better off with religion. I guess the point I'm trying to make is this. Destroying religion in general isn't the answer. Getting people to respect that different people believe different things is. That's what most of the conflict in the world is caused by. Lack of ability to believe that someone else can think differently, and still be right. Okay, so what I'm really trying to say is religion = good, sometimes. Religion as

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Someone (October 19, 2001)

religion is just a crutch fo rpoeple who can't get their lives together themselves. life is hard. some fictitious THING to look up doens't help anything. if anyone gets through anything its becuase they did and not some god ... plz. they just need to get faith, in themselves.

Anarchy_Adam (October 20, 2001)

I didn't say that "some god" is the reason that they got their shit together, but if that's what they believe, right fucking on. I have friends that, if they didn't "find god" would probably be dead right now. Will I ever find god? Probably not. It's a personal choice. If believing in a god helps them get "faith in themselves, then fucking let them. Nobody is forcing you to believe in anything.

Someone (October 18, 2001)

Why do so many people think ALL Christians are bad? You can disagree with a religion, but to say that all Christians are bad is the same as saying all Muslims are bad, Jews are bad, etc. Individual people make their own decisions; you can't blame a whole religion for what they do.

Someone (October 18, 2001)

Humans classify by their very nature. I'm not saying its right by what we haved dubbed right in our current PC world. But it is a reality. That said, we should be trying harder to not lump the acts of (deranged) individuals with the group they are a part of. But I tell you what, I will look closer at an arabic person sitting next to me waiting to get on a flight, and I will look closer at the (misinformed) kid at the punk show with the Right to Life t-shirt, and I will look closer at those who would say "it sure would be easier if we could just round up all the 'fill in the blanks'." I will no longer listen to those who complain about an instinctual trait of all humans that is a means of self-protection but fail to offer a solution.

Someone (October 18, 2001)

What fucking proof is there that Christians did this? Muslims don't believe in abortion either. Why couldn't it be them?

Aubin (October 18, 2001)

If you read the story, the "Army of God" took credit for it and signed at least one of the letters, and they are an admitted Christian organization.

Someone (October 18, 2001)

it was you fucking christians. everybody fucking knows it. leave the muslims alone for a day, you're always looking for a fucking scapegoat. the fucking christians can't just let people live their lives, they always have to be telling them what to do. apparently they don't think god will take care of it all. oh ye of little faith. say what you will about the jews, but at least they never tried to convert anyone. christians are going to be very surprised when the whole lot of them don't get into heaven. "i don't want to go to heaven because its full of pricks like you." the Vandals

Someone (October 18, 2001)

"punx" is your religion...i see...very intelligent

seek (October 19, 2001)

a religion doesnt have to have a god, loser. who are you to say that he cant follow the 'punk philosophy' as a religion.

Someone (October 18, 2001)

your dumb and dont know anything abut islam. islam DOESN'T forbid abotions. It says that under the circumstances one can have on.

Someone (October 18, 2001)

why doesn't anybody call it pro-life anymore? oh I guess cause anti-choice makes them sound more evil

Aubin (October 18, 2001)

Because they're not pro-life. They kill people. They're anti-choice, because they don't want women to have a choice. If they were pro-life, they'd be more reluctant to kill.

icK-x-Strife (October 18, 2001)

How can you call them 'pro-life' when they are unleashing bombs on innocent people? icK-x-Strife

Someone (October 18, 2001)

I wasn't talking about the people blowing up abortion clinics. just the people who think its wrong to have abortions.

Someone (October 19, 2001)

Thank you for pointing that out. Of course it's fucked and hypocritical to blow up abortion clinics, but the percentage of pro-lifers who actually do that is probably comparable to the proportion of Muslims who hijack airplanes.

Someone (October 18, 2001)

All I can say is that modern day Christianity is man-made. IT's true and if you don't believe it then your just lying to yourself. Can we really trust the leaders of the world as well as the leaders of religious organizations? Look where they have lead us. They have us fighting against each other. No imperfect human is going to make this world any better. ALl they can do is prolong the suffering. Tell me one person that has really bettered our lives and made them safer. We need to stop being followers and start being leaders. Believe what you want to believe not what your parents, media, religions, and governments want you to believe. Be there for those in need and push your ego aside. Talk to someone and show interest in someone you normally wouldn't, for that is the only way we can close this gap of hate.

icK-x-Strife (October 18, 2001)

I agree. It is time for people to stop wishing for heaven and start working for humanity. icK-x-Strife

Someone (October 19, 2001)

Well said my friend....that's what it should be all about.

icK-x-Strife (October 18, 2001)

People die because of Religion. Tell me something I don't already know... icK-x-Strife

Someone (October 19, 2001)

I only chose to read these comments out of interest and to see if I could learn anything. However statements such as 'people die because of religion' thats just plain pushing it. I understand I am not an expert, however in the studies that I have done at collage show rather explicitly that people do not die because of religion. It seems quite common here that people define religion all wrong, it is an idea which is practiced and a guideline for a lifestyle. People who distort this guideline are the ones who cause mindless acts, and those who do not understand it say mindless comments about religion.

icK-x-Strife (October 20, 2001)

I understand plenty about religion. I know more than enough about it to realize that it is a complete farce. If these people never had a religion to twist and interpret in their own sick, demented way then this stuff wouldn't happen. icK-x-Strife

Someone (October 18, 2001)

Well, I am pro-LIFE, and a Christian, and I think these people are morons. Do you realize that within a few centuries(if the world does blow up by then), this issue won't matter, because test tube technology will advance so that a mother wont even have to carry a baby, and it would probably be a similar cost. Maybe.

Someone (October 18, 2001)

i say more power to you if you protest against abortion. if you think its murder its no differnt than protesting a mummia case. both innocent people being put to death? be open minded and applaud people who fight for something they truely belive.

icK-x-Strife (October 18, 2001)

It is one thing to protest abortion. It is another to kill people in the process. icK-x-Strife

Someone (October 18, 2001)

i couldnt agree more. i dont support the people who do kill others to try to stop something they dont like.

sickboi (chris) (October 19, 2001)

Yeah, go ahead and protest what someone does with their own body. I don't want to get on an abortion arguement but I fucking despise pro-lifers. If you don't want an abortion, don't have one, but who gives you the right to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her own body? Fuck that.

Someone (October 19, 2001)

this is boxcar1 again, different computer. if you dont want ot get in an argument, dont start one. its not the womans choice. when you slit your wrist, your taking a risk of dying. when you have sex youre taking a risk of getting pregnant, thats when the choice is made. its not an object inside a pregnant woman, its a person. in instances of rape, etc. i dont quite know where i stand, but probly more of a case to case basis, but if its just "I slept with some guy/my boyfriend at a party, and i got pregnant. Too bad, that child shouldnt have to die, because you were irresponsible enough to start its life. My point: Ten minutes after its out of the womb, it's murder, but ten minutes before it's out, it's legalized abortion. That is not right.

sickboi (chris) (October 19, 2001)

I agree to a certain degree. Yes, abortion should not be looked at as a method of birth control. I guess I should clarify more that rape, incest and so forth should be looked at differently. I guess everyone will look at this different. I'm a very strong believer of pro-choice. I don't go to rallies, or do any kind of work for the cause, I just have an opinion. I've known girls who have had abortions who regret it everyday, and I know girls who feel it was the best choice. The last thing we need is a parent bringing a child into this world that they can't financially and emotionally support. Some will argue that adoption is the only alternative, But honestly, all that will do is make life hell for both the child and parent. I've seen so many kids who are fucked up in the head because they feel they were abandoned. So yes, abortion should not be looked at as a way to

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Anarchy_Adam (October 19, 2001)

Its not legalized abortion ten minutes before its out. Its not even legalized abortion ten days before its out. The last thing the world needs is more babies. We're overpopulated as fuck as it is. I don't support abortion as a means of birth control. I do support a person's right to choose whether or not she wants this thing in her body for 9 months. If somebody came into your house, and started eating your food, and doing shit to you that made you fucking nuts, and your really didn't want hime there, would you kick him out? I know theres a better way to phrase that, but thats how I feel. Blah.

Towers (October 19, 2001)

It is different. Fetuses aren't people. Women on the other hand, are, and has the right to choose. And why should I applaud everyone who truly fights for something they believe in? I consider myself fairly open minded but what if the things abortionists believe in goes strongly against what I think is right? Let's applaud the abortionists, everyone. Finally someone who fights for their beliefs. I love that.

Someone (October 19, 2001)

hey man i wrote the statement you replyed to. i am for making abortion legal. i dont belive the goveernemnt has the right to put their laws in a women's body. all i was saying is that some people belive a fetus it is a person and abortion is murder. who is to clerify this? doctors? the only people who can tell you a fetus is a person are those people who have religios beliefs, who belive that a fetus has a soul and a life. i dont think anyone but themself can make a decision? you cant inforce religion or make laws based of religion. personally i am prolife. however i dont have any right to tell people what to do. all i can do is to do my part by not having a baby that could be unwanted.

icK-x-Strife (October 20, 2001)

"all i can do is to do my part by not having a baby that could be unwanted." Right on. icK-x-Strife

IagainstI (October 18, 2001)

Why has this turn into a bashing of Christians and religion in general? People have to realize that it's a bunch of stupid fuckers doing these crazy acts upon people for ignorant reasons.If you bash a group because a couple of them aren't functioning properly,than you are just as fucking stupid as those assholes who commit these acts

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Someone (October 19, 2001)

Keep religious discussion off of this board.

Someone (October 19, 2001)

the Army of God? hahahahahahaha. seriously man, i thought there's no other cult worse than the kkk, BUT THERE IS! let me tell you something that i truly understand: you can NOT be an army of god. In all religion, god is all powerful and he can flip a mountain with a blink. therefore no army or mortal is needed. abortion? if you feel you really have to do it otherwise you'll die, then go for it. actually, i'm not a pro choice or a pro life either (and i don't give a fuck about label). if you don't wanna get throu all the hardship with babies and stuff, fasten your belt. that's all. self disipline will get you everywhere. -legaltoxic

Someone (October 19, 2001)

I totally agree with you. I am a Christian, and I am against abortion. These people are not Christians, no matter what they say. They have twisted the Word of God to pursue their own hateful agenda. By the way, though, none of the letters have yet tested positive for anthrax.

Someone (October 19, 2001)

Hey, I was born Christian, so I am technically a Christian, but that doesn't mean I practice it. I simply believing in trying to do what's right and the rest will fall into place. I don't need to be brainwashed by my religion and I don't need to turn against someone else because of his religion. We're all equal and if my religion tells me to do something that is not right, well fuck them. Some of these so-called pseudo-christians will be the first ones to rot in hell, if there is such a place.

Someone (October 19, 2001)

No one is "born Christian". I know a lot about Christianity, so don't try to argue that. One is not considered truly Christian until they are baptized. I believe what you meant was that you were born into a Christian family. So was I.

Someone (October 19, 2001)

Yeah, thats what I mean, and baptized as a Christian, which still happened without my consent since I was still like 1 year old or something. But I havent done that shit they call First Communion and Confirmation.

Someone (October 19, 2001)

Too bad...you missed out! Just kidding, of course.

Someone (October 19, 2001)

Reading these comments makes me hate the punk scene today. Some of these kids are so stupid. You bitch about christians without even knowing what you are bitching about. Christians have found something that brings them happiness and they try to spread it because they want others to be happy, most have good hearts and stand up for what they believe in. Sure there are some dumbasses, but there are in every group of people and all of you are stereotyping them and being complete hypocrites towards the punk community and punk attitude of standing up for what you believe in. You think you are all SOOOOO punk rock but you don't even know the essence. You bitch about people not standing up for what they believe in and being real to themselves and not selling out, but only if what they believe is what you believe. Alot of the kids today don't even have their OWN beliefs, the

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icK-x-Strife (October 19, 2001)

I know plenty about christianity. I was a christian for most of my life. I went to a catholic school from 1st grade up till 9th. You're preaching 'living by a set of made-up rules and devoting yourself to a dead man is good.'; while at the same time telling punks to think for themselves. Makes perfect sense.... - icK-x-Strife

Someone (October 20, 2001)

i am replying to a reply posted on my original mesage you obviously didnt see what i wrote at all. first:It is not a set of made up rules unless you want it to be. that is religion im talking about faith in god not religion. Im talking about a book that tells you how to live your life if you want to be truly happy and tells you meditate on it and interpret it and let others tell you your beliefs. Second: Jesus isn't dead

icK-x-Strife (October 20, 2001)

You are also talking about a book that has talking animals and plants in it. You are talking about a book that has no known author. That book that tells you how to be "truly happy" could have been written by a mental patient back in ancient times for all you know. "Second: Jesus isn't dead" Oh, did you see a vision of jesus in your morning coffee that told you he was alive? Offer up some proof of what you claim. icK-x-Strife

Someone (October 20, 2001)

The auhors are known. Moses dictated much of the First Testament from God, and the apostles and others wrote most of the New Testament. Jesus was resurrected after he died, he is God's equal, seeing as he was his son.

icK-x-Strife (October 21, 2001)

--"The auhors are known. Moses dictated much of the First Testament from God, and the apostles and others wrote most of the New Testament."-- Shame there is no proof of that. What you said is just common thought. What everyone *thinks* is true. Maybe that mental patient had split personalities and wrote under different names.... --"Jesus was resurrected after he died, he is God's equal, seeing as he was his son."-- You are assuming your conclusion. Giving me your opinion on what happened is not proof. How do we know that Jesus rose from the dead? How do we know he was the son of 'God' when you cannot even prove that this 'God' exists in the first place? icK-x-Strife

Someone (October 16, 2003)

You can't believe in god, what do you believe in? Do you believe we are here by chance? Or believe there maybe a greater power than us? It is your decision but I want to ask you to take a look around. Explain why the world around you runs so perfectly, the only reason why the world is dying is because of us. We've screwed up everything that's good and replaced it with something man made. Well how do you know god exsists, you'll just know. Some one said Jesus was God's equal, well they're very wrong Jesus wasn't God's equal nor was he a man, he was God himself in the form of a man. Anyone who has read the Bible will know this. I want to ask you another question, do you beleieve that julious Ceasor lived? Well the evidence to prove he lived will fit on a small coffee table. Where as the proof that Jesus lived and died again would fill a large ware house. Think about

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legaltoxic (October 21, 2001)

dogma? did ya say dogma? are you talking about matt damon here? hahahahahahaaaaa -legaltoxic

legaltoxic (October 22, 2001)

after i read that shit again, i found something silly. "Reading these comments makes me hate the punk scene today..." hello? please tell me when did punk scene become one with jesus? started from the very beginning (the ramones, iggy pop, who the fuck cares) to the exploited to gbh to dead kennedys to bad religion, when did punk scene respect christianity? seriously, no offense i'm just telling the fact here. i'm so sick of kids these days saying "punk is tolerant to other etc etc" WELL THE TRUTH IS NOT. i believe, before the era of pop punk / emo junk, before the era of green day, punk was at its core. fighting against the mainstream and mocking them. then mxpx, blink, nfg, and the likes came to "redifine" punk "with emotion." FUCK THAT. there's no rule in punk, but there's some kind of ethic. when you say mxpx is the real punk and shit, what about bands like the un

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Someone (October 16, 2003)

Would you write music, lyrics that is, that if you knew you wrote, you would be labed in such away that you were looked down on by others.To actually come acroos with a message that is very unpopular with young people, is'n't that coragous. Arn't they standing up for what they believe in, isn't that what punk music is all about? It's much easyer to write music about sex and drugs because you'll know that that's what young people are going to like. Today i have to say the so called 'church' is a joke they have no idea what christianity is about. Just whach the news to see a preverted priest being acussed of abusing a child.Where richuals are more dominate then beliefs. I understand where you're coming from, you meet people who call themselves christians but then you see them bitching about some one behind there back. They don't believe in shit, you see punks dressed in all

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Someone (October 19, 2001)

All Christians are drones? I doubt MXPX is a bunch of mindless drones. They spread the word in their own way, not this horrible extremists' way. I am against abortion, but I don't think those who practice it should die. -Sr. Potpourri

Someone (October 19, 2001)

abortion is fun

Someone (October 19, 2001)

WILL THE FETUS BE ABORTED by jello biafra and mojo nixon peggy sue got pregnant and was addicted to fifteen drugs she went down to the abortion clinic and was accosted by right wing thugs chorus oh will the fetus be aborted by and by lord by and by there's a better home awaiting in the sky lord in the sky little mary was just eleven and she was raped by her own dad danny quayle said "have that baby" but another choice she said chorus annie's pregnancy would kill her doctor'rs warning gave her strife fudnamentalists said "jesus take her" she said, "i want my right to life" chorus kathy had two kids already and an abortion is what she chose christian showed her a bloody fetus she said "that's fine i'll have one of those." chorus tanya lived for revolution wanted to overthrow the state she had fifteen commie babies phylis schlafly ain't that great? or will the fetus be abort

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Someone (October 19, 2001)

I would have to agree. Islam is a peaceful religion and by using religion as a reason to kill people al-queda insult the very religion they claim the "work for"

imabigjerk (October 19, 2001)

I think it's pretty pretentios to call the army of god group a christian group.