Posted by aubin on Thursday, October 2, 2008 at 11:00 AM (EDT)
The deadline for voter registration is rapidly approaching. If you're American and want to vote in the upcoming election, you need to register to vote. As many of you know, this is a major election and both candidates have dramatically different positions on everything from abortion to the war to the economy. If you're of voting age, it really is an important responsibility and absolutely important to everyone's future.
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HeyBarmold (October 2, 2008)
My wife married this luckysonofabitch and she changed her last name. Does she need to reregister? 2+ Replies
baldsteve (October 2, 2008)
YES. If you go to the polling place, they will look up your name, if it doesn't match ID... no vote
veganboyjosh (October 2, 2008)
that said, if the name/address on your id matches that on their polling records, then you should be fine. in the last (local) election, i went to vote at the polling place for my previous address. i had never reregistered, so my name and address was still on their books. my driver's license hadn't ever been updated, so i got in. the poor schmuck in front of me pointed out to them that he had moved, and could he vote here? short answer for the org: no. he had to go reregister at the county courthouse, blah blah blah.
kneel (October 2, 2008)
also don't forget that if you moved since you registered, you probably need to update your registration. 4+ Replies
MattRamone (October 2, 2008)
"Wah, pretty girls want to talk to me"
canaandrumzz (October 2, 2008)
I spend my days on a college campus (filled with pretty cute girls) and the only people telling me to vote are old people. Like 70's. Why are we living in this bizarro world?
murdock (October 2, 2008)
Not so much old people for me as burned out looking hippies in their late 20's. All dudes I might add.
BarleyPat (October 2, 2008)
Old people don't really want you to vote, because you don't think the way they do.
canaandrumzz (October 2, 2008)
Most of the ones I see are supporting Obama for the most part. I live in Northern Virginia so its pretty fair game between old people between the two. Now suburban house moms? Thats a different story.
LinoleumMagazine (October 2, 2008)
Stallone in 08!!!! 3+ Replies
LinoleumMagazine (October 2, 2008)
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/03/06/rambo_wideweb__470x345 ,0.jpg
MattRamone (October 2, 2008)
Stallone - when you want a president who can crush a man's skull with his bare hands.
android (October 2, 2008)
I´d vote for him in a heartbeat.
LinoleumMagazine (October 2, 2008)
If you're serious about the Rocky tattoo, you are my hero. I'll be getting one eventually. When it comes to lost, I'd get Locke before I got Jack.
android (October 2, 2008)
really bad photo quality:
14theroad (October 2, 2008)
Now you've got me considering a Rambo tattoo, or Marion Cobretti. I haven't decided who's more badass.
android (October 2, 2008)
I´d go for Rambo:"If you´re pushed killing is as easy as breathing" it doesn´t get more badass...
LinoleumMagazine (October 2, 2008)
Matt shouldn't talk. He's got a whole sleeve dedicated to Lord Of the Rings and the Star Wars logo on his other arm. We have a hilraious interview with Matt on our myspace that you should read if your bored.
android (October 2, 2008)
haha...matt loved my star wars tattoo though...he´s a great guy and fun to get drunk with.
baldsteve (October 2, 2008)
No fucking way! I have Jaws on my arm, King Kong and the Creature from the Black Lagoon on my leg and I'm in awe of a Rocky tattoo. I'd rather see one of Clubber Lang that just has a word bubble with 'dead meat' written in it. I've always thought about getting 'Sailor Art' style tattoos on my chest of Thunderlips and Clubber Lang.
android (October 2, 2008)
check the pic I posted above...it says "dubito ergo sum" underneath it which translates "I doubt therefore I am, which fits the character and fits my life...
baldsteve (October 2, 2008)
That's awesome. Seriously.
android (October 2, 2008)
nothing beats your king kong tattoo...it looks soooo awesome.
baldsteve (October 2, 2008)
Thanks man, I look forward to meeting you when you make it our way.
android (October 2, 2008)
haha that´s great.
returnofdebs (October 2, 2008)
Frank has my vote.
MrStylson (October 2, 2008)
So now the Canadians are desperate for us to vote? 6+ Replies
wonton (October 2, 2008)
voting out of your country is more punx.
chickswithdicks (October 2, 2008)
well look what you guys did last time..
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
haven't you guys at least figured out by this point though that no matter which of the two parties is in power, America is still going to be intrusive and intervene in global affairs? some of you don't seem to get it.
chickswithdicks (October 2, 2008)
oh i'm sure it will be, but there are still varying levels of how bad it can be. i'd rather eat half a turd sandwich as mentioned below than a full one.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
American foreign policy will remain the same, trust me
Banal242 (October 2, 2008)
Of course it will. Those new jets and bombs aren't going to build themselves. Are you against American jobs, commie?
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
there doens't have to be. there are candidates that oppose our interventionist foreign policy. we aren't voting for them yet. luckily the economic rug will be pulled out from under us before we can hurt anyone anymore.
MattRamone (October 2, 2008)
Do you blame them?
MrStylson (October 2, 2008)
Not at all, considering their leaders have been bending over backwards to copy anything stupid ours pull off.
jacknife737 (October 2, 2008)
pretty much
MN_punkmaster-skaman (October 2, 2008)
Too bad every election since the beginning of time has always came down to a giant douche and a turd sandwich. 11+ Replies
kingofsuck (October 2, 2008)
There's more than two options...
LinoleumMagazine (October 2, 2008)
Not according to the media and the debate committee.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
its a total farce that they weren't allowed in the debates
LinoleumMagazine (October 2, 2008)
I'd love to see Paul and Nader get in there and shake up those debates. It would be so awesome. I'll even take some super extreme nationalist conservative too. As long as everyone gets a fair amount of coverage.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
exactly, you don't have to agree with the guy (or gal's) platform to believe they deserve a voice in the national debate as well
TrueBeliever (October 2, 2008)
What's the requirement to get invited to participate in the debates? I think it's only something like 3-5%. So seriously, if a party repeatedly doesn't get 3-5% of the votes, I don't think there's a need to waste people's time by putting them in the debates.
baseball (October 2, 2008)
That's not how it works at all. Read the link I just posted below.
TrueBeliever (October 2, 2008)
Ok, I looked it up and it's 15%, I was going off of high school memory. But, still...
baseball (October 2, 2008)
No, it doesn't make a difference. The fact of the matter is that the Commission on Presidential Debates was created jointly by the Republican and Democratic parties, who took control of the debates from the League of Women Voters. Here is a press release from 1988 when the League of Women voters gave up their sponsorship of the debates to the Commission on Presidential Debates: "The League of Women Voters is withdrawing sponsorship of the presidential debates ... because the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter. It has become clear to us that the candidates' organizations aim to add debates to their list of campaign-trail charades devoid of substance, spontaneity and answers to tough questions. The League has no intention of becoming an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American public." The Republicans and D show rest of commentNo, it doesn't make a difference. The fact of the matter is that the Commission on Presidential Debates was created jointly by the Republican and Democratic parties, who took control of the debates from the League of Women Voters. Here is a press release from 1988 when the League of Women voters gave up their sponsorship of the debates to the Commission on Presidential Debates: "The League of Women Voters is withdrawing sponsorship of the presidential debates ... because the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter. It has become clear to us that the candidates' organizations aim to add debates to their list of campaign-trail charades devoid of substance, spontaneity and answers to tough questions. The League has no intention of becoming an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American public." The Republicans and Democrats control who is in the debates. It's not controlled by some arbitrary percentage. They must be invited by the two major parties, which is bullshit. This is from the 2004 agreement between Bush and Kerry's campaigns: "If one or more candidates from campaigns other than the two (2) signatories is invited to participate pursuant to those Selection Criteria, those candidates shall be included in the debates, if those candidates accept the terms of this agreement. Any modifications to this agreement must be agreed upon by each of the signatories to this agreement as well as all other candidates selected to join the debate." http://www.opendebates.org/news/documents/debateagreem ent.pdf This year's agreement between McCain and Obama's campaigns has not been made public, they have refused to do so. Again, read this history of how the debates are controlled. http://www.opendebates.org/theissue/strengthenmajorp arties.html
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
yep. this is a real substantiative political action. voting for which banker approved corporate candidate you want, is not.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
Barr is pulling around 10-15% nationally; Nader is pulling around 6%; McKinney is around 2-3%
throw_aways (October 2, 2008)
where the hell did you pull those numbers out of. CNN, yesterday: "The poll also expanded to include three third party candidates, Independent Ralph Nader, Libertarian candidate Bob Barr and Green Party candidate Cynthia McKinney. Except for a 3 percent showing by Nader in Florida and a 4 percent showing by Nader in Nevada, NO ONE REGISTERED MORE THAN TWO PERCENT IN ANY SURVEY." (caps mine) http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/01/cnn-poll s-major-gain-for-obama-in-battleground-states/ I'm 100% in favor of third parties, and I'm considering voting third party (I'm registered Green). But that doesn't mean making up numbers is ok by any means. Unfortunately, unless we start doing Instant Run Off voting or have proportional party repres show rest of commentwhere the hell did you pull those numbers out of. CNN, yesterday: "The poll also expanded to include three third party candidates, Independent Ralph Nader, Libertarian candidate Bob Barr and Green Party candidate Cynthia McKinney. Except for a 3 percent showing by Nader in Florida and a 4 percent showing by Nader in Nevada, NO ONE REGISTERED MORE THAN TWO PERCENT IN ANY SURVEY." (caps mine) http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/01/cnn-poll s-major-gain-for-obama-in-battleground-states/ I'm 100% in favor of third parties, and I'm considering voting third party (I'm registered Green). But that doesn't mean making up numbers is ok by any means. Unfortunately, unless we start doing Instant Run Off voting or have proportional party representation in congress, like Parliament does, we're not going to have relevant third parties in America. I think that a third party having 3-5% of a vote is much more fair for letting them debate, but since no third parties are even pulling 2% nationally right now, I really don't think it would make sense to have them compete in the debates. I hate saying that, but it's true
throw_aways (October 2, 2008)
correction: that was only polling battleground states. Nationally, Nader may have as much as 3%, with Barr still pulling the 2% I talked about.
kingofsuck (October 2, 2008)
That article is only talking about polls in battleground states. Last I heard Nader was polling 6% in Michigan.
baseball (October 2, 2008)
I think that a third party having 3-5% of a vote is much more fair for letting them debate, but since no third parties are even pulling 2% nationally right now, I really don't think it would make sense to have them compete in the debates. I hate saying that, but it's true
throw_aways (October 2, 2008)
yeah, i hear you. i mean, i would certainly be thrilled if they did let them in the debates. i just recognize that there has to be some cut off. im presuming there are dozens of candidates running for president. there has to be some criteria. If a candidate can't even pull 3-5% a month before the election, do they have any reasonable chance of gaining any ground before november?
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
the obvious criteria is ballot access. if you have achieved ballot access in enough states in order for it to be mathematically possible to win the election, you get in the debates. that would allow the Constitution Party, Green Party, Libertarian Party, and Ralph Nader in the debates. That is 6 people, plenty of possible format styles that would allow a good perspective on 6 candidates.
kingofsuck (October 2, 2008)
15%.
TrueBeliever (October 2, 2008)
Yeah, yeah, I corrected myself earlier. Point still stands though.
kingofsuck (October 2, 2008)
Also, wouldn't you feel like your vote counted more going to the candidate whose views most closely resemble your own instead of voting for the status quo?
TrueBeliever (October 2, 2008)
No, because I accept that voting a third party candidate won't do much, because I'll vote knowing my candidate wouldn't win. I'm voting for a guy who might actually win, and I'm going to pick the person that I feel will do better than the other. Maybe he won't be a great choice, but I feel he won't fuck us up as much as the other. Sure, it's a mest up way of thinking, but I'm just realistic on the outcome.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
Barack doesn't even support gay marriage, but that's off-topic
TrueBeliever (October 2, 2008)
If people who voted 3rd party voted Gore or Kerry, we wouldn't have had Bush in office for so long. My point exactly.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
Gore would not have been that much different, i hate to say it
NotPatriotic (October 2, 2008)
You're living in a hypothetical world. What I know is that Bush is terrible. Nobody knows what kind of president Kerry or Gore would have been. 8 years ago nobody thought Bush would have done this bad of a job. Nobody. If you're not gonna vote for Obama that is fine, but I think you're overlooking the significance of a black man being elected president. You seem like you are progressive, which is cool, and I believe Obama is progress.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
i'm voting for a black woman to be president, top that
NotPatriotic (October 2, 2008)
Baby steps my friend, baby steps. I'm voting for a black man, I could care less what party he is. A black man in the white house is a step in the right direction.
baseball (October 2, 2008)
What a weird way to vote. Doesn't it bug you that you're voting for a black man who's policies (assuming he toes the line he already has) will not help 'black america' at all. That'd bug me. Throw in the fact that his running mate has done more than most to hurt the middle and lower classes of this country, particularly minority, and that seals the deal as far as I'm concerned.
Shark-e (October 2, 2008)
The fact is, he's a Democrat. His policies will help inner city African Americans. There's a good reason that Democrats historically receive upwards of 90% of the black vote.
baseball (October 2, 2008)
Are we reading the same policies?
baseball (October 2, 2008)
Also, you know, the hundreds of thousands of African Americans who lost their vote due to the terribly flawed criminal justice policies instituted by both parties (and particularly Mr. Mandatory Minimum himself, Joe Biden) might beg to differ.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
no his policies will not help inner city blacks
Shark-e (October 2, 2008)
Clinton devoted himself in a large part to urban development and all that it involves. It's no coincidence that after Bush entered office and diverted a lot of the funding from after school programs and police departments, inner city crime increased. In Philadelphia, we're having multiple murders a day. Not the case in the 90's.
baseball (October 2, 2008)
That's an extremely rose colored perspective on the Clinton years. Under Clinton's administration, more African Americans were imprisoned than any other in history (Bush 2 admin TBD). I'd recommend you read a couple books that touch on the topic. Race To Incarcerate by Marc Mauer of the Sentencing Project, particularly chapter 4 "Crime as Politics." Also, Governing Through Crime by prominent criminologist Jonathan Simon. Don't be fooled by Clinton's "midnight basketball" politics and support of minorities, he didn't do anything significant at all to help minorities when he was president. On disenfranchising black voters, here's a good little diary entry on it. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/1/143124/7963/379/42880 5 As for Biden, he's made a career out o show rest of commentThat's an extremely rose colored perspective on the Clinton years. Under Clinton's administration, more African Americans were imprisoned than any other in history (Bush 2 admin TBD). I'd recommend you read a couple books that touch on the topic. Race To Incarcerate by Marc Mauer of the Sentencing Project, particularly chapter 4 "Crime as Politics." Also, Governing Through Crime by prominent criminologist Jonathan Simon. Don't be fooled by Clinton's "midnight basketball" politics and support of minorities, he didn't do anything significant at all to help minorities when he was president. On disenfranchising black voters, here's a good little diary entry on it. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/1/143124/7963/379/42880 5 As for Biden, he's made a career out of being "tough on crime" and being a drug warrior, despite the fact that prominent sociologists and criminologists have opposed these types of measures for decades. Uh, these are not "efforts" as you say, it's legislation that has been in place for 20 years, might want to read up on some political history further back than the past couple years. We aren't talking about "yay" or "nay" votes, these (crack/cocaine disparities, mandatory minimums) are things Biden pushed and championed for back in the 80's. The country was in the midst of a largely unfounded media sensationalized panic over drugs. Read more about the time period in The Great Drug War by Arnold Trebach. There is no excuse for politicians decisions when plenty of experts have advised against such harsh measures. Candidates, most prominently Hillary Clinton or Ron Paul, and many others are now addressing the disparities in sentencing. Groups like FAMM (Families Against Mandatory Minimums) are helping with the visibility of damage. Rational explanation? Re-election I suppose. It sounds good to say you're going to be extra tough on crime, even if it disenfranchises an extremely large population of the black voting base. Biden doesn't give a shit about race relations, how could he with the policies he champions. He's on the Democratic ticket for his foreign policy experience, there's a reason Obama's campaign is barely talking about domestic issues like criminal justice, his running mate has championed multitudes of damaging legislation toward minorities and other poor Americans (and we're not even talking about Biden's bankruptcy bill from 2005 preventing normal citizens access to the same kind of bankruptcy provisions as big business). I encourage you to look into this stuff.
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
not to mention during Clinton we had as many wicked, illegal wars as we had during the Bush Administration, only the media perspective on it changed.
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
doesn't your city government have the responsibility to take care of that stuff? does it really make sense for a President to legislate for Philadelphia, despite the fact that the same stroke of the pen affects small town USA?
Shark-e (October 2, 2008)
Federal funding plays a large role. It's more than legislation, it's the means to enforce the laws.
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
it shouldn't. look what "Federal funding" did to education in the way of "no child left behind"
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
agreed
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
there is no "rational explanation" for making deliberate efforts to invoke harsher penalties for crack than cocaine. its wrong and it directly hurts inner-city blacks. period. stop trying to justify it.
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
true. any real candidate who cares about African Americans in America will end the war on drugs.
kingofsuck (October 2, 2008)
...
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
so did you vote for Alan Keyes in 2000?
baseball (October 2, 2008)
And we'd be only marginally better off. The fact of the matter is some of us are not interested in only marginal change. You don't have to agree with that. If I wasn't voting 3rd party then I would not be voting for any candidate, period. I'm not going to vote for someone who does not at all represent what I want to see changed about this country.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
i realized that especially when i was watching the debates on Friday night and it hit me - i disagree with Obama much more frequently than i agree with him. so why the hell would i vote for him?
kingofsuck (October 2, 2008)
Ugh. I'm so tired of that argument.
Autosuggestion (October 2, 2008)
OR... if Gore hadn't been such a goddamn cowardly douche and run a better campaign and not been a part of the Clinton triangulations, maybe we wouldn't have had Bush in office for so long.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
post of the day
kingofsuck (October 2, 2008)
Pretty much everything I was about to say.
TrueBeliever (October 2, 2008)
"Voting against McCain in order to keep hope alive that maybe it will be generally accepted that women have a right to do what they want with their own bodies is quite frankly good enough for me.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
abortion is not going anywhere... there's no way the Republicans are going to throw away their "golden goose" issue
Shark-e (October 2, 2008)
Well, I'm not going to say that they're going to rush towards banning it, because it's obviously an issue that activates the base, but if they're in a position where it's possible, they can't be seen by said base as sitting on their hands.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
thing is, the issue of abortion pales in comparison to the big issues - state oppression
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
the republican party has no history of doing anything with teeth to affect abortion one way or the other.
Autosuggestion (October 2, 2008)
Call Barack Obama at 866-675-2008.
baseball (October 2, 2008)
Have you or any one here ever looked into the history behind the debates? It's complete crap. I'm so sick of the way the two major parties operate. Read this:
Cheesetits (October 2, 2008)
No way dude, you lie, why do you gotta lie so bad, there can only be two ways to think about how society should be. This isn't, like, Never Never Land.
LinoleumMagazine (October 2, 2008)
I agree. I want to be like the Canadians and have more options.
chickswithdicks (October 2, 2008)
yeah, we get different styles of douche and different flavours of turd sandwich to pick from.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
not uh man, Obama stands change! Change i can believe in!
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a130/fallingupwards84/n2970012 5_34744919_8239.jpg
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
HAHAHAHA. pwnt.
baseball (October 2, 2008)
I never really seriously considered voting for Obama, but the telecom immunity thing was what really solidified that. It's scary shit.
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
yeah, and think what a president can do to a CONGRESSMAN with that same power. imagine what could happen to ELIOT SPITZER, oh wait... imagine what could happen when the PRESIDENT wants to pass a bill and blackmails all of the congressmen?
MattRamone (October 2, 2008)
It's why I'm voting for Lyndon LaRouche.
TrueBeliever (October 2, 2008)
: /
Banal242 (October 2, 2008)
Golly, what a unique perspective.
MN_punkmaster-skaman (October 2, 2008)
South Park..... which is what I hope you're thinking about. Nobody has said anything about it yet!!
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
Both candidates have dramatically different positions on everything from abortion to the war to the economy. 11+ Replies
baseball (October 2, 2008)
Yeah, I was going to post that I didn't agree with the editorializing on this article. Both of these guys sound increasingly more like one another every time I hear them talk.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
do you know which candidate you're going to vote for yet?
baseball (October 2, 2008)
Originally McKinney, leaning toward Nader now that he's jumped in. Nader's really stepped up publicly lately and I agree with pretty much everything he's been saying. I also know baldsteve in real life and have to take into account what he said about McKinney, I do trust his opinion.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
hmmm yea, i'll have to see.
Shark-e (October 2, 2008)
I guess it's a testament to the true strength of our democracy that you're putting this much effort into wasting your vote.
Autosuggestion (October 2, 2008)
Or the American education system that you're so fucking stupid.
Shark-e (October 2, 2008)
Oh, burn.
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
using votesmart.org and specific examples of senate votes, comparing and contrasting the records of McCain and Obama, not their constantly changing stump rhetoric, show the difference, please.
Autosuggestion (October 2, 2008)
Okay... so go eat a turd sandwich rather than a pile of shit and feel proud of yourself for exercising your right to choose.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
keep sippin' that kool-aid
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
typical statist argument. political parties change over the times, some are popular, some die off. your view of our republic is very narrow.
Shark-e (October 2, 2008)
I don't know how so many people ended up liking this douche so much.
baseball (October 2, 2008)
Ridiculous opinion dude. How to get things done? Yeah, why support someone who's founded over 40 non profit organizations? He sure doesn't know how to get a thing done.
Autosuggestion (October 2, 2008)
Ummmm.... are you talking about the guy who is responsible for more legislation than McCain and Obama combined? Hmmm. Imagine that.
Shark-e (October 2, 2008)
You must have a very loose definition of responsibility. As I said, Nader is very important in the realm of consumer advocacy. However, he's tarnishing his legacy with these repeated ill-advised presidential bids.
baseball (October 2, 2008)
Hahal, ill-advised? According to who? The Democratic party?
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
I would never vote for Ralph Nader, but his choice to run for president and provide a real option for liberals who don't want to support an empire, and vote for people who are going to vote to fund the war in Iraq because of political expediency, is heroic.
Autosuggestion (October 2, 2008)
You've got to be kidding.
the_other_scott (October 2, 2008)
what i think the truth is (or hope at least!) is that they are each catering to the moderates in their campaigning but are probably a bit more different than they lead on...
kingofsuck (October 2, 2008)
I was kind of surprised in Aubin's chose of words.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
eh i wish i could say the same thing, but i've seen Aubin play the Democrat game on here in the past, so it doesn't surprise me that much
kingofsuck (October 2, 2008)
I guess "surprised" wasn't the right word. Disappointed.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
its encouraging to see a lot of people on here admitting that Obama will not bring real change
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
welcome to the fourth turning.
Autosuggestion (October 2, 2008)
Call Barack Obama at 866-675-2008.
TheMexican (October 2, 2008)
Honestly, dude. Do I really have to bring up Palin on this? Seriously?
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
Palin has blinded so many people to the enormous shortcomings of Obama and Biden
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
think of it this way, if McCain/Palin win, that will give the Daily Show four more years of prime material
TheMexican (October 2, 2008)
I know we're going to disagree so I'll just say this and let it go. There is no way I want McCain/Palin to represent me. It's out of the question. I constantly go to the PUMA party's message board and it blows my fucking mind the kind of shit they believe. In short I'll just say that there are too many things in this election I can't afford to let go. I respect and honor your decision (although I do disagree that if Gore won, the country would be in a completely different position) but if you ever told me that I'd actually see a person that wasn't white and southern have this close of a shot becoming president, I would not believe you. And besides that, I like him and what he stands for. He didn't grow up wealthy with all his decisions already planned out for him. He's intelligent. A poll showed recently that 1/3 of Democrats wouldn't vote for him because of his race. show rest of commentI know we're going to disagree so I'll just say this and let it go. There is no way I want McCain/Palin to represent me. It's out of the question. I constantly go to the PUMA party's message board and it blows my fucking mind the kind of shit they believe. In short I'll just say that there are too many things in this election I can't afford to let go. I respect and honor your decision (although I do disagree that if Gore won, the country would be in a completely different position) but if you ever told me that I'd actually see a person that wasn't white and southern have this close of a shot becoming president, I would not believe you. And besides that, I like him and what he stands for. He didn't grow up wealthy with all his decisions already planned out for him. He's intelligent. A poll showed recently that 1/3 of Democrats wouldn't vote for him because of his race. Things like this are important to me. I'm aware of his problems, but jesus man, this is much too important.
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
if you are concerned with race, why not vote for Cynthia McKinney, the only democrat in congress to REALLY stand up to the Bush Administration.
atrus138 (October 2, 2008)
Kucinich also stands up to the Bush Administration.
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
yeeh, hes not on the ballot though, is what i meant.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
a Kucinich versus Paul debate would be so incredibly refreshing
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
one could call her "collectivist" but more in an anti-State way... anarcho-socialist, possibly? she's against bureaucracy and all that bullshit, she's definitely an enemy of the State (plus she wants to reinvestigate 9/11, thats huge)
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
or the warmongering Biden.
Splendidtune (October 2, 2008)
You're an idiot.
Sarah_Palin (October 2, 2008)
McCain 08! 3+ Replies
MattRamone (October 2, 2008)
Palin/Satan '16!
Sarah_Palin (October 2, 2008)
Let's not get ahead of ourselves
murdock (October 2, 2008)
classic namegrab
JayTee (October 2, 2008)
She might be a grandma by then!.... Oh wait....
MattRamone (October 2, 2008)
Hahahahahaha Hey-oooooo!
TrueBeliever (October 2, 2008)
Nevermind Obama and McCain, I fucking HATE all the LaRouche supporters. Jesus H., get the fuck out of my school and let me walk to class. 1+ Reply
MattRamone (October 2, 2008)
Don't you want a land bridge?
MattRamone (October 2, 2008)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aki_Nawaz 2+ Replies
LinoleumMagazine (October 2, 2008)
Naw, Propagandhi will probably invite him on tour.
MattRamone (October 2, 2008)
He does have a song telling you how to make a bomb.
LinoleumMagazine (October 2, 2008)
Oh, well then I guess he'll have to tour with Rise Against.
JayTee (October 2, 2008)
No, only songs tellin' you to drop them bombs.
AnarchyPants (October 2, 2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MJCvHMtwE4 6+ Replies
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
yea Palin is incredibly dumb, which is somewhat terrifying, until you realize that if she ever becomes president, she'll just be a puppet anyway.. she won't be making any real decisions
LinoleumMagazine (October 2, 2008)
She can just embarrass us like W does.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
yea we're used to it
Banal242 (October 2, 2008)
That's reassuring.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
haha yea, the same dicks who have been behind our policy for the last couple decades will continue to influence policy in the decades to come. nothin' new.
Banal242 (October 2, 2008)
I can't believe W has a 30% approval rating and so many people are excited for Palin. They have the same views on everything, only she came from a homogenized state with even more oil company connections. It's fucking nuts.
MilesQToast (October 2, 2008)
the illuminati?
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
call it whatever you want, elites run this country. i don't care what people label them as.
MilesQToast (October 2, 2008)
I don't disagree, but isn't whoever is on top at the time going to be the elite? Put a bunch of PTA moms in charge who's to say they won't go mad with power?
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
exactly
AnarchyPants (October 2, 2008)
Haha, she's a lifetime member of the NRA. What is it with the states and proudly owning guns?
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
maybe because your vote has no value if the state can just use force and take away your rights at any time.
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
good luck with that 1st, 3rd, and 4th ammendment, without the 2nd to protect them.
nick_s (October 2, 2008)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz1QVM9L3tU&feature=related
canaandrumzz (October 2, 2008)
I already voted absentee. That said, couldn't they work out a system for college students who live on campus to where they could vote on campus? That would do a lot to clear up at least some issues about young people not voting. (I don't live on campus so I guess that point is kind of moot for me but it still seems like a good idea.) 2+ Replies
Johnny_J (October 2, 2008)
That would be a great idea. If the voting committee in the county where your university or college is could set a plan to vote ON campus with the people running the university, young people would definately become more involved and actually vote.
Autosuggestion (October 2, 2008)
A lot of colleges do.
NotPatriotic (October 2, 2008)
I hate Republicans with a passion. I am voting for Obama because I believe he will pick sorta liberal supreme court justices. Mccain would probably pick somebody like Palin. 7+ Replies
MattRamone (October 2, 2008)
Voting against McCain in order to keep hope alive that maybe it will be generally accepted that women have a right to do what they want with their own bodies is quite frankly good enough for me.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
those are distractions from the real issues
jacknife737 (October 2, 2008)
ah, but "real issues" is so subjective. I know many people who consider a women's right to choose to be more important the war in Afghanistan. To many say, foreign policy is nothing but a side-show. If i were an American, my biggest concern would be the economy, not Iraq.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
fair enough
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
i guess what i was trying to articulate (and didn't do so well) was that abortion is one of the key tools that the two parties use to distract people from certain issues
jacknife737 (October 2, 2008)
I see where you're coming from.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
don't get me wrong, i support abortion rights through and through.
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
its called a "wedge issue"
baseball (October 2, 2008)
Where's the belief coming from though? Obama is not really a liberal at all when it comes to law and order kinds of issues. Yeah, he'll probably pick better ones than McCain, but it doesn't mean they'll be much better. Honestly, I have not read a single thing to give me that impression. It's amazing how much people assume about someone because they're black or a Democrat.
MattRamone (October 2, 2008)
I hate how much of a hawk he was trying to be during the first debate. It scared me a little bit.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
that was the last straw for me, after that, i simply couldnt do it anymore
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
McCain, in fact, has a very liberal rep. hes responsible for the campaign finance reform that made it easier for democrats to get elected... the legislation that would have made all illegal immigrants legal... hes KNOWN to be a RINO.
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
you mean the liberal justices that voted that it is OK for a CORPORATION to STEAL YOUR HOUSE in the KILO CASE?
Banal242 (October 2, 2008)
Per usual, "Cat and Girl" is on the ball. 1+ Reply
MattRamone (October 2, 2008)
It's one of the most perfect comics ever and deserves to be run in national newspapers.
wolfshirt (October 2, 2008)
If a Libertarian candidate ever actually got elected would the Libertarians stop acting like such smug assholes? 7+ Replies
MattRamone (October 2, 2008)
No. Angry rich white people will always find something to be assholes about.
MrSnrub (October 2, 2008)
So true. everyone i used to work with was the biggest Ron Paul supporters, and none of them could get laid in a whorehouse, so they would give like 1/2 there paychecks to him. and they still believe the government conspired against him.
wolfshirt (October 2, 2008)
It doesn't help that he attracts the Ayn Rand jerkoffs
MattRamone (October 2, 2008)
That's usually the way it works. I think once people grow up and become more aware of the struggles just to get by and the nuances of human behavior and motivations, they tend to move away from the fringes of political thought, unless they go to a megachurch or live a crackrock steady squat.
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
yeah, from the fringes of saving money, minding your own business, and having a sensible foreign policy of non interventionism, to the moderate belief of a credit-based economy where you spend far beyond your means, transfer all of your wealth to bankers to finance a military industrial complex that uses "human rights issues" as a smokescreen to push mercantilistic war policy around the world that makes your nation more and more hated by the day, leading eventually to an economic collapse and the type of hatred world wide that may eventually lead to a war on your own soil. The same moderates who believe that a vice that a good majority of Americans enjoy, smoking marijuana, makes sense as a crime that can put you in prison for the entirety of your life, allowing you to "rehabilitate" your habit in the company of murderers and gangsters for 50 years. All of this just to empower show rest of commentyeah, from the fringes of saving money, minding your own business, and having a sensible foreign policy of non interventionism, to the moderate belief of a credit-based economy where you spend far beyond your means, transfer all of your wealth to bankers to finance a military industrial complex that uses "human rights issues" as a smokescreen to push mercantilistic war policy around the world that makes your nation more and more hated by the day, leading eventually to an economic collapse and the type of hatred world wide that may eventually lead to a war on your own soil. The same moderates who believe that a vice that a good majority of Americans enjoy, smoking marijuana, makes sense as a crime that can put you in prison for the entirety of your life, allowing you to "rehabilitate" your habit in the company of murderers and gangsters for 50 years. All of this just to empower a vital industry for drug dealers so that they can afford paramilitary weaponry with which to fight police and kill your children. you can have your "moderate" views in the American Empire... I'll take the kind of "extremism" that is libertarianism any day.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
if a Libertarian got elected, he would be a very moderate libertarian like Bob Barr, who is "acceptable" to media pundits
Shark-e (October 2, 2008)
The most ironic thing about the Ron Paul campaign was that he ran on severe fiscal responsibility. So he raises more than any other Republican candidate, and what does he do? He blows it all on a fucking blimp.
baseball (October 2, 2008)
Did you really just criticize a candidate for using raised campaign money to, well, campaign?
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
well i can't disagree with him totally though... he could have used that money so much better - like commercials on prime-time national TV
Shark-e (October 2, 2008)
Exactly. How many people saw that blimp? And furthermore, how many people saw a blimp, thought it was the Goodyear blimp, and looked away? Also, does a blimp with his name on it say anything of his policies or qualifications for president? It was a total masturbatory gesture.
baseball (October 2, 2008)
My point had nothing to do with the blimp. My point was it's silly to compare how a candidate spends their campaign money to their policies on fiscal responsibility. They have nothing to do with each other.
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
especially when every other campaign used tons of financing and went into debt int he beginning, when ron paul ONLY used money which was given to him, and did not even spend it all before the campaign was done. the rest of the money was used to create his PAC, and have his counter convention, which actually didn't require any debt either.
atrus138 (October 2, 2008)
It can't be considered masturbatory. Ron Paul had NOTHING to do with that. That was completely his supporters' idea.
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
He didn't purchase the blimp. it was not a campaign expense.
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
the ron paul campaign did not buy a blimp. he actually still has money left over from his campaign, which he used to start a PAC, which was very much responsible for fighting this bail out.
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
no. having elected candidates would not make our policies any less right.
colin (October 2, 2008)
hey canucks how's the economy up there? i'm going to be looking for jobs after grad school is up in may and if mccain is elected i'm going to try for canada.
JayTee (October 2, 2008)
I think I'm registered? 2+ Replies
MattRamone (October 2, 2008)
We've got the transcript!
JayTee (October 2, 2008)
Oh nooo.
MattRamone (October 2, 2008)
That show is way too entertaining for something I find so repugnant.
misterspike (October 2, 2008)
Got my address changed at the Rollins talking gig last Saturday in Ft. Laud (talk about one-stop shopping!). This old man is now all about Early Voting! 5+ Replies
MattRamone (October 2, 2008)
Are you playing the drinking game?
Banal242 (October 2, 2008)
Everytime she mentions hunting chug a Stag beer.
MattRamone (October 2, 2008)
Every time she mentions her retarded grandson take a shot of Jaeger and make out with someone who's not your significant other.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
the expectations are so low, if she even makes one smart comment, the media will declare that she is "back"
Banal242 (October 2, 2008)
I concur.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
lol
Banal242 (October 2, 2008)
What's that in the drinking game?
MattRamone (October 2, 2008)
The point is to throw up after, not during.
MattRamone (October 2, 2008)
This is exactly what's going to happen. If she's the D- student that somehow gets a C+, it's way more praised that the solid B+ student that maintains.
Diver (October 2, 2008)
This influx of people telling me to register is making me paranoid.
MilesQToast (October 2, 2008)
so now you have to "be american" to vote in the upcoming election? What kind of Jim Crow bullshit is that?
JayTee (October 2, 2008)
Good punk songs about the Bush administration GO! 9+ Replies
baldsteve (October 2, 2008)
Dead Milkmen - takin' retards to the zoo
MattRamone (October 2, 2008)
I see what you did thurr.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
Immortal Technique - Bin Laden
FARMHOUSE (October 2, 2008)
that's pretty much the dumbest song ever recorded.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
too much truth for you in one song?
FARMHOUSE (October 2, 2008)
too much truth? ha!
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
mmhmm
MilesQToast (October 2, 2008)
Billy Ocean - Caribbean Queen
Shark-e (October 2, 2008)
I love NOFX. But Leaving Jesusland is just fucking awful. It's exactly the sort of closed-minded bullshit that liberals are always attacked for. In the future, if you want to preach to anyone besides than the choir, make sure you attack midwesterners from somewhere other than San Francisco.
JayTee (October 2, 2008)
NOFX has never been known for sugarcoating it. Bands will constantly talk about how they're justified for signing to majors or they're growing in their music or compare a career move of theirs to someone else and make excuses and excuses, and it's good to know someone bothers to say "no, seriously, fuck that" in a brash manner and write a song like "It's My Job To Keep Punk Rock Elite".
Shark-e (October 2, 2008)
I've thought many times about writing slightly left of center punk songs. But I suppose the anarchists won't really get behind my proposals for bigger government.
jacknife737 (October 2, 2008)
American Idiot, amirite?
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
i lol'ed
MN_punkmaster-skaman (October 2, 2008)
VOTE OR DIE MOTHER FUCKER!! 4+ Replies
MattRamone (October 2, 2008)
http://www.krpmag.com/blog/wp-media/2008/04/no-bitchassness.jpg
MN_punkmaster-skaman (October 2, 2008)
http://soulassassins.com/wp-content/p_diddy_loves_big_booty.jpg
MattRamone (October 2, 2008)
http://www.kentnet.com/myspace/mosh_girl_boy.jpg
TrueBeliever (October 2, 2008)
Hahahaha. Oh man, that picture deserves to be used for every punk show flyer.
MN_punkmaster-skaman (October 2, 2008)
Agreed
MattRamone (October 2, 2008)
Backed!
MN_punkmaster-skaman (October 2, 2008)
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f220/MikeEthan/Berenstain_bear s_dick_kick.gif
MattRamone (October 2, 2008)
http://bushlolz.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/lol-larry-craig.jpg
TrueBeliever (October 2, 2008)
I love that picture.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
Immortal Technique - Bin Laden
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
wrong thread, damn hah
hhrules (October 2, 2008)
I wonder what the 2 candidates will say when they find out aliens are real. Of course their always the theory that the Greys are controlling Bush and they will control who ever is next in office. Maybe I can get Obama to leak top secret Military documents to me.
Shark-e (October 2, 2008)
Stop complaining about the two party system. Democrat and Republican just happens to encompass the vast majority of American's beliefs. While the nominee certainly won't represent the entire range and swath of the party, that's what the primaries are for. To find the one whose beliefs do best represent the electorate. In the end, unless you're voting for the same person that you did in the primaries, then you're more often than not going to be voting against someone, rather than for someone. And you know what? Whatever. Don't throw away your vote on some bullshit third party candidate, who really would be absolutely paralyzed when it comes to real governing, and that's even when you don't take into consideration the massive stalemate against the GOP and Democratic controlled Congress. If a legitimate third party candidate with something to say, rather than another just bitching abo show rest of commentStop complaining about the two party system. Democrat and Republican just happens to encompass the vast majority of American's beliefs. While the nominee certainly won't represent the entire range and swath of the party, that's what the primaries are for. To find the one whose beliefs do best represent the electorate. In the end, unless you're voting for the same person that you did in the primaries, then you're more often than not going to be voting against someone, rather than for someone. And you know what? Whatever. Don't throw away your vote on some bullshit third party candidate, who really would be absolutely paralyzed when it comes to real governing, and that's even when you don't take into consideration the massive stalemate against the GOP and Democratic controlled Congress. If a legitimate third party candidate with something to say, rather than another just bitching about the status quo, as well as someone who actually has the qualifications to lead this country, then I will gladly shut my mouth. 7+ Replies
Autosuggestion (October 2, 2008)
Hahaha.... false.
jacknife737 (October 2, 2008)
an opinion can be false?
Autosuggestion (October 2, 2008)
"Democrat and Republican just happens to encompass the vast majority of American's beliefs."
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
there are so many things wrong with this... especially your assessment of the "effectiveness" of the primary system
Shark-e (October 2, 2008)
You're using "effectiveness"( in what I read to be an irritatingly snide tone) all wrong here. You don't consider it effective because you don't get your desired result. However, this is a democratic republic. Your voice isn't the only one that matters. People who align themselves on the left of the political spectrum vote for their preferred candidate and whoever wins faces off against the preferred candidate from the right. It's effective.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
the media controls which candidates get coverage, they determine the candidates that they want to be leading in the primaries... and through that, the outcome is decided
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
poltiical parties are not a legal part of the system. they were in fact PREACHED AGAINST by the founding fathers. George Washingtons final address dealt with that.
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
not anymore. times are changing. were in an alternate universe where the new "financial patriot act" which was Bush's bailout bill, a transfer of power to the executive that makes the patriot act look like the bill of rights, and somehow the republican congress fought him tooth and nail on it.
atrus138 (October 2, 2008)
Two of the third party candidates (Barr and McKinney) have more years under their belt than Obama and Palin COMBINED.
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
yep. they are more serious candidates by far.
jacknife737 (October 2, 2008)
Dion better step up his game tonight, he did a great job during the French debate, but didn't go after Harper enough.
deadelectromix (October 2, 2008)
Obama drinks Pabst, so you all have to vote for him now. 2+ Replies
baldsteve (October 2, 2008)
pics...
Mike_Killroad (October 2, 2008)
I VOTED MOTHERFUCKERS.
LushJ (October 2, 2008)
Also- LOCAL elections are key. That's how the batshit fundamentalists grew their power base- from school boards and small town mayors (Palin, cough cough). 2+ Replies
baldsteve (October 2, 2008)
Oh, its a town of fucking fantasy, Wish i went to ucb Cause there are thirty thousand stupid kids and they're all brain washed into what they see It's a college never-never land. Dropping acid and starting bands, Super liberal hypocrites, what the hells this hippie shit? Berkely is my baby sparkling nice and clean. if its such a mellow place, why do i feel so mean? Oh, berkeley is my baby and i wanna kill it Berkeley is my baby and i wanna kill it Hanging out up telegraph, your waste of money just makes me laugh. All the stores are just waiting for you to buy their sweaters and drink their brew. There's a double dose if police to herd the homeless off the streets. Cops and schools work hand in hand to wipe the deviants from the land. Berkeley is my baby but i should've aborted it. Had some doubts in show rest of commentOh, its a town of fucking fantasy, Wish i went to ucb Cause there are thirty thousand stupid kids and they're all brain washed into what they see It's a college never-never land. Dropping acid and starting bands, Super liberal hypocrites, what the hells this hippie shit? Berkely is my baby sparkling nice and clean. if its such a mellow place, why do i feel so mean? Oh, berkeley is my baby and i wanna kill it Berkeley is my baby and i wanna kill it Hanging out up telegraph, your waste of money just makes me laugh. All the stores are just waiting for you to buy their sweaters and drink their brew. There's a double dose if police to herd the homeless off the streets. Cops and schools work hand in hand to wipe the deviants from the land. Berkeley is my baby but i should've aborted it. Had some doubts in the waiting room but now im stuck with it. Oh, berkeley is my baby and i wanna kill it, berkeley is my baby and i wanna kill it. Berkely is my baby but i shouldve aborted it.
victim (October 2, 2008)
I don't think its an important responsibility or absolutely important to everyone's future. I think it couldn't be more immaterial which of these assholes gets selected 5+ Replies
baldsteve (October 2, 2008)
Tell that to the Supreme Court. It does fucking matter who stacks that appointment.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
victim is right though, and to constantly fall back to the Supreme Court is not enough.
baldsteve (October 2, 2008)
I know its not enough. We are preaching to the choir here. BUT I have 2 options right now. That's it, 2. The only question I have is what is better FOR NOW. I'm going to vote to hopefully lean this sinking ship as far left as possible.
baseball (October 2, 2008)
Actually you have 3 options Steve, the third being vote for neither ;).
baldsteve (October 2, 2008)
Yessir. Your state is guaranteed to go to the Dems. I understand what you are saying, I'm just glad you see my conundrum.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
i understand your dilemma
baldsteve (October 2, 2008)
Who says they are to be trusted. I'm a tool of the man. I fucking work for them... I'm not drinking the Kool Aid or anything, my house is, but I'm fully aware the system is fucking retarded.
acris (October 2, 2008)
agreeeeeeeeeed
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
yeah, only your screwed either way. the liberal supreme court justices decided that its ok for corporations to steal your hosue in the Kino case... so be careful what you wish for.
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
exactly.
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
thanks!
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
truth.
whatisyourforte (October 2, 2008)
what is sad is to see all these morons parading around about 3rd party candidates. until this country does away with the winner take all/first past the post system and utilizes a coalition-based system, third parties are a waste of everyone's time and votes. i'm sipping the kool-aid, and it tastes better than nader or palin's pussy juice. 3+ Replies
barrydonegan (October 2, 2008)
1992 called, it wanted its STATIST vote for the lesser of two evils justification back.
whatisyourforte (October 3, 2008)
wow, is this really barry dongegan? I remember seeing look what i did at a byob place in lewisville, tx. i remember asking you guys to come to seattle, which is where i really live. i am glad to hear you guys are putting out a new album soon, and look forward to it (as much as I have any of your previous efforts). please come to seattle!!!!
barrydonegan (October 3, 2008)
indeed it is :)
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
well then you're voting for keeping things the way they are
LORD-OF-THE-GAYS (October 2, 2008)
Anyone else here think Palin is kind of sexy? i like broads who are dumb as a fucking post (87% of all females really) and slightly crazy. 4+ Replies
fallingupwards84 (October 2, 2008)
i would so rape her
Autosuggestion (October 2, 2008)
And make her pay for the rape kit.
Roblmw241 (October 2, 2008)
Stupid chicks put out.
JayTee (October 3, 2008)
Yeah, but only smart chicks'll lick your butt.
jeffernator (October 3, 2008)
I'm gonna have to go with Obama and Biden. 1+ Reply
Autosuggestion (October 5, 2008)
And the health insurance industry, the bloated and wasteful military budget, the war on drugs, the credit card companies, nuclear energy, corporate crime, and non-living wages. | Features
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