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Casualties Speak Out Against Live Release

Contributed by xdontxcallxmexemox. Posted by adam on Saturday, September 20, 2003 at 1:31 AM (EDT)

us that the Casualties have also spoken out against a live record released by Anaheim's Liberation Records. The release in question is Live at the Fireside Bowl. Anti-Flag previously made a statement on the release, which warrented a rebuttle on Liberation's website. The Casualties' website also cleared up any confusion about a recent Ohio show (or lack thereof):

A quick couple of things to straighten out. First, sorry to anyone who showed up in Ohio thinking we were going to play with the Virus. It was complete bullshit. Sometimes people will put our name on a flyer to get more kids to show up. Which sucks, cause it makes us look like the bad guy. A second thing, there is a Casualties live record that was released on Liberation Records. This was put out without our permission, and it down right sounds like shit. So do not buy it. If you do you will be getting ripped off. We are not he only bands dealing with this. Anti-Flag, and I think the Swingin Utters, are as well.

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Someone (September 20, 2003)

Whats the casulties and anti flags problem? These live discs are pretty scarce, and theres not too many distros that carries them. You don't see other bands like apoclaypse hoboken bitching about their liberations LIVE CD.

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InaGreendase (brian) (September 20, 2003)

thats what liberation said about the casualties and swingin' utters not speaking out when anti-flag did.

Someone (September 20, 2003)

Shitty recording live cd bootlegs RULE

Someone (December 7, 2004)

Shindo (adam) (September 20, 2003)

I think it's a matter of principle. Bands generally want to have as much control over their catalogue as possible, especially since it's going to be the lasting record of the group when they're gone. At least that's the type of control I'd want... Usually when you see a release of something the band isn't entirely happy with, they'll get pretty vicious about it. I'm thinking of the Explosion EP on Revelation as an example -adam

Someone (September 20, 2003)

those dudes have all been way too far under a rock to give a shit. this is a case of good bands getting ripped off by someone in it for the money. figure out who the good guy is and stop rooting for the bad guy people. &&&

SockMonkeyRiot (September 20, 2003)

I saw a few copies of the Anti-Flag one at Best Buy.

scotfree (September 20, 2003)

yea so did i only 4 fucking songs wtf

Someone (September 20, 2003)

i saw the anti-flag one at a best buy, it was 10 bucks, so not only are they crappy, but they're over priced for the ammount of songs on it. So only idiots would buy them anyways

Someone (September 21, 2003)

is apocalypse hoboken even a band anymore? if they are they're probably thankful for any exposure they can get. and who'

Someone (November 11, 2003)

Dude that is bull shit. Gorge,jake,rick and Megger should go down to that record and fucking kick there ass. I fucking bought that CD, i didnt think it was bad but you guys are getting fucked. If i could i would go return this CD. Fuck thouse record lable fuckers. ANd the casualties should come back down to SO CAL and play all age venues like Showcase Thetre in Corona or fucking play the Wisky Go GO.

Someone (September 20, 2003)

At the last Causualties show, they were selling this cd at their merch table. I dont get it.

Someone (September 20, 2003)

I dont get this... if it is an unauthorized sale of copy-righted material, isn't that illegal? Cant they take any action to make it stop, or sue? if i took their songs, and burnt them on cd's and sold them for profit, without giving anything to the band, surely i would be breaking the law... Someone clear this up for me?

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Jon_the_Skafather (September 20, 2003)

suing isn't punk.

sharksandwich (September 20, 2003)

haha i actually like the casualties. and in terms of live shows, they come in a close second behinde rancid. but come on its an acquired taste and well they aren't the greatest band. i just think its funny how they complain about sounding bad. it must be REALLY bad.

TheOneTrueBill (September 20, 2003)

Uh... The Swingin' Utters were selling the CD at their merch table when I saw them last sunday. So I don't think they're against it.

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Someone (September 20, 2003)

The Casualties have sold thiers live cd at shows also.

FortyMinutesWest (September 20, 2003)

All of their stuff sounds like shit, so how is this more of a rip off than anything else they've released?

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InaGreendase (brian) (September 20, 2003)

Booo! Yeah, the Casualties suck but, this is practically a replication of a comment on the Anti-Flag thread...give us somethin' fresh 40! I know it's in you.

FortyMinutesWest (September 20, 2003)

Really? Oh well, I'm sick and tired(literally) so you'll have to forgive my memory lapse.

punky (September 20, 2003)

Next time quote Homer Simpson: "Yeah, Moe, that band sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I've seen band suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked"

sickboi (chris) (September 21, 2003)

"I gotta go, my damn weiner-kids are bothering me."

P-Fresh (September 21, 2003)

"We are NOT WEINERS!"

CallingLondon (September 20, 2003)

it's not

Someone (September 20, 2003)

Forty, AMEN. I saw them live w/ Bad Religion and they were almost painfully bad.

Jon_the_Skafather (September 20, 2003)

a quick copy and paste from the liberation records webpage.. "September 4, 2003 Some of you may have recently come across a statement by Anti Flag about the recently released Live at the Fireside Bowl CD. We feel the statement was misleading and unfair, and want to tell our side of the story. Just to clarify some major points: (1) Liberation DID and DOES have permission in writing to release this album, or else we wouldn't put it out. (2) Anti Flag HAS and DOES receive compensation for the release, and there is no reason for them to state otherwise. Any statement to the contrary is either a lie or is confused. This is the first time we have ever heard anything remotely resembling a complaint from this band, even though the songs have been out as part of Liberation's VMLive at the Fireside catalog for over 4 years. If Anti Flag has a problem with the Live at t

show rest of commenta quick copy and paste from the liberation records webpage.. "September 4, 2003 Some of you may have recently come across a statement by Anti Flag about the recently released Live at the Fireside Bowl CD. We feel the statement was misleading and unfair, and want to tell our side of the story. Just to clarify some major points: (1) Liberation DID and DOES have permission in writing to release this album, or else we wouldn't put it out. (2) Anti Flag HAS and DOES receive compensation for the release, and there is no reason for them to state otherwise. Any statement to the contrary is either a lie or is confused. This is the first time we have ever heard anything remotely resembling a complaint from this band, even though the songs have been out as part of Liberation's VMLive at the Fireside catalog for over 4 years. If Anti Flag has a problem with the Live at the Fireside Bowl release in the past or right now, the reasonable thing to do is to privately and directly discuss the problem between ourselves and try to fix it. Our contact info is widely available and is no secret. Issuing accusatory and misleading statements about the matter to the public only exacerbates the problem and is probably not likely to lead to a solution. This is hereby a public and direct request to Anti Flag, if they have ANY problem with or questions about the VML/Live at the Fireside Bowl release, to contact Liberation Records and hash out any disagreements like civilized people. We're not trying to "steal" anything from Anti Flag, and, to the contrary, actually respect most of what they do and stand for. All we did was change the artwork and repackage Anti Flag songs that have been distributed by Liberation for years. Absolutely no harm was intended, and, if both sides are fair and reasonable, hopefully there can be a quick resolution of this issue. One more thing: You know the shitty sound quality on the release? That's how the original recordings are, that's the way they're supposed to be, and we actually kind of like them that way."

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Someone (September 22, 2003)

If Anti-Flag and Th Casualties were stating that they no longer wanted these releases in print for whatever reason, or were unhappy with the new artwork- whatever the case is... I could see some legitamacy in that. However, the fact that neither band has recognized or stated that these are, in fact, legitamite releases, that they both agreed to many years ago, simply being pressed and distributed by a label that has handled all of VML's releases (live and otherwise) comepletely legally ever since VML stop putting stuff out- is what is suspect. They do not even acknowlege this in their statements. The truth seems to be, that both bands agreed to these releases some time ago, when they were lesser known and now, years later, are either second guessing the decision or planning their own live releases and don't want the competition. I'm not defending Liberation, per se... but I do know

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GregSka (September 20, 2003)

Liberation put out a wicked ska compilation several years back called Ska Sucks.. I havn't heard anything about them until now. I guess their reputation has really gone to shit after all this

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notfeelingcreative (September 20, 2003)

I liked the ska sucks comp

Someone (September 20, 2003)

dave liberation is a goober who used his grandmas money to put out the first homegrown record then raped every single band on his label

Daegan (September 20, 2003)

God, that CD is so awesome.

hitlerbadzakgood (September 20, 2003)

anyone who pays money for this deserves to get ripped off. especially the anti-flag one. theres only 4 fucking songs on it and i saw it at a record store for 12.99. same with the swingin utters one. ~Zäk

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blufloyde (September 20, 2003)

i don't get it, the anti-flag live stuff was already released with a bunch of other crappy sounding sets from jfa, the automatics, and the hanson brothers. i don't get why this is a big thing all of a sudden.

DavidR (September 20, 2003)

man I thought this was OLD news

Xhatexedgexninjax (September 20, 2003)

The Casualties are the worst band of all time.

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Someone (September 20, 2003)

hahha thats the best comment so far.

notfeelingcreative (September 20, 2003)

They're definately down there in my "worst of all time list"

Someone (September 20, 2003)

Oh, so I guess you like Good Charlotte, Simple Plan and The Used better.

FortyMinutesWest (September 20, 2003)

Those bands aren't even worth the consideration, so they don't count.

sloppyblake (September 21, 2003)

better than the casualties? yes i do. they sing more than "RAH RAH RAH RAH RAH! SHOW US OUR LIBERTY SPIKES RAH RAH RAH RAH RAH ! NEW YORK TILL I DIE! RAH RAH RAH RAH RAH RAH! SEE YA IN THE PIT! OI OI OI"

Someone (September 21, 2003)

you forgot the best bit. DRUNK PUNK! RAH RAH

sloppyblake (September 22, 2003)

Amazing

Someone (October 18, 2004)

ur right they r!

Someone (November 15, 2004)

your fucking numb...punk music isn't about quality you fucking poser

mRoHio (September 20, 2003)

A quick couple of things to straighten out. First, sorry to anyone who showed up in Ohio thinking we were going to play with the Virus. It was complete bullshit. Sometimes people will put our name on a flyer to get more kids to show up. Which sucks, cause it makes us look like the bad guy. My friend's band played that show. I'm glad I didn't go. The Virus would have been the only redeeming quality.

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Someone (September 20, 2003)

which one in ohio? the one at the hoosegrow in middletown? i never once saw the casualties advertised for it or i would have tried to go, and then gotten dissapointed

P-Fresh (September 21, 2003)

Naw, the one in Clevo at the pirates cover, or whatever.

P-Fresh (September 21, 2003)

Cove, not cover. goddamn fat fingers.

Someone (September 21, 2003)

the casualties are the 90s equivalent of the exploited - incredibly stereo-typical stupid punk.

Someone (September 21, 2003)

The fact that anyone even gives the shit about the casualties is beyond me. They suck and they are easily a contender for worst lyrics ever. I guess if you have pretty mohawks and leather jackets, you can get on the warped tour. Whatever.

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Someone (October 18, 2004)

u no wat ur the 1 that sucks i bet u never heard their music b4 cuz ur a fuckin retard who love's blink-182's gay shit!! so get this... Fuck you ass bag!!!!

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