besides what others have written in response to "skimmer", i just wanna add something, and i live in Portugal and have been seeing that add for 3 weeks, the first thought that crossed my mind and still does when i listen/watch that add is: where did they get such a horrible out of key, out of tempo tune ... i warn everyone i know squat about music aside from knowing i love it but this add is so horrible ... the song really really stinks

I drink coke everyday. I love it as much as anything. It's the "elixir of the gods" as evan dorkin would say. Its a pleasure that goes beyond being punk or anti-establishment mumbojumbo. Just live your life the way you want to and quit worring about falling into the guidelines of what's "punk" and then trying to point the finger of shame at people who don't...It's silly really...

I like soda. mmmm

I'd sell out in about a second. I wish I had money. I'd trade in my spikes for cash anyday. Punk sucks anyway :)

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Someone (January 30, 2001)

Dude. Punk is totaly kick ass and to turn on something so awesome would be like seeling your soul. Don't ever sell out!!!!!

and where the fuck did all of you buy your computers? pardon me, where did all your MOMMIES buy your computers? you are all SO much more punk rock than anyone else... where do you think Best Buy, CompUSA, Circuit City, Dell, Gateway get all their computers? America??? YEA RIGHT! from factories where children are forced to work for pennies... fuck the "punk rock" attitude and live your life, quit being so pessimistic and quit trying to bring everyone else down with you. and FUCK OFF!!!

um pepsi makes soda if they sell clothes it probably isn't their main thing.

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MacPunk (December 23, 2000)

I don't think you fully understand what was said. Yes they produce soda but they try to get some dough out of you by getting free advertising. In plain english, haven't you ever seen someone wearing a pepsi or coke shirt?

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Someone (December 23, 2000)

no

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MacPunk (December 24, 2000)

Well then, my only idea is that you have nothing to defend your argument with or you just think it's funny to be stupid.

I don't see what the big deal is about pepsi having a "punk" commercial. I haven't even seen it yet but I can still say that if I turned on the TV and heard one of my favorite band's music in the backround for a commercial, I'd be happy that a hardworking band is getting respect for what they do. And anyways, don't we all have more important things to worry about, such as Bush being president? But thats a completly different subject...

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MacPunk (December 23, 2000)

I don't consider it respectful when a band gets their music on a corporate commercial. I see it as a way to squeeze some extra cash out of your music. If the music supported something positive, say the anti-drug campaign or any of the many benifit foundations, then that would generate some respect for the band. Advertising for some greedy jerks selling pop (which causes a lot of problem for kids today) is worth shit.

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Someone (December 23, 2000)

Alright, i guess i get your point, but dont you think that if you were in a band and Pepsi or any corporate company offered you money to be in a commercial, you would say, "No, im sorry. My band is too "punk" to be in your commercial and your money means nothing to me." No. That would be stupid to turn down free money and turn down a chance to be on TV sets all across the world. Just put yourself in the bands shoes. Im sure VGS got a bunch of new listeners when their song was on that Taco Bell commercial. So try and think of it that way...

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Someone (December 24, 2000)

I doubt VGS got any new listeners from the Taco Bell commercial. How often do you actually know who's singing the songs on a commercial? It never tells you the bands name on commercials, and it's pretty hard to find out if you want to know. So getting your song on a commercial for exposure sounds pretty stupid. And if you're just doing it for the money (which is the only reason I could see someone wanting to do that) then you're pretty greedy and shallow in my book. That's when someone becomes a "sellout".

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Someone (December 24, 2000)

Are you saying that if somebody said to you, "Hey, i like your music and i think that one of your songs would be great for the backround music in my commercial," you wouldnt feel honored that your band is being recognized and paid for its hard work? Of course you would feel honored! And you would accept the offer and also get paid for it! I know that if someone came up to YOU with an offer like that, YOU would kindly accept. Oh, but wait, you dont want to sell out...you dont want to feel greedy and shallow...well, i think you'd feel differently if you actually had the opportunity to "sell out". Dumbass.

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MacPunk (December 24, 2000)

I guess if the band actually enjoyed the product being advertised, then I have no problem with that. So perhaps CGS likes Taco Bell? That's fine. But I don't think their music got anymore respect or popularity because of it. I never knew they had a song on a Taco Bell commercial. I don't know who the band is playing in the commercial, so I'm not going to be inclined to listen more. Perhaps I'm just rambling on without any point, but I don't see any good reasons to put your music on a pop commercial.

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Someone (February 12, 2001)

if i gave a shit at all i would say no in a heartbeat. its that simple. id never miss the money. i feel no greed. no greed. just dont give in.

we call it pop in pittsburgh, too, its not just ohio. soda is wussy, pop is awesome

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4131 (December 26, 2000)

fuck you man, soda is the way to go

I couldn't be more thrilled that a punk band supports a corporation that destroys our o-zone layer with harmful HFC's just so they could make a couple of bucks. Talk about compromising your basic human values for cash.

i thought this was about coke,,, not pepsi??

are you stupid 1. "commercials cutting into programming time" is what makes those programs possible. 2. who cares what you think is cool 3. advertising, support eh capital system, isn't cool? What do you think punk bands do when they sell cds in america.

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Someone (December 23, 2000)

1) if i lived in a perfect world that wouldn't be true 2) who cares what anybody thinks is cool? the kid who sent this in said he thought it was cool. 3) punk bands who sell their cd's for profit suck. yes i realize that this would make 99% of all bands suck, but realize that i'm drunk right now and that i only like maybe 1 or 2 weird obscure bands when i'm drunk.

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MacPunk (December 23, 2000)

Moist! moist means cool

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Someone (December 23, 2000)
1 - commercials are ever increasingly cutting into more of the programs we watch. 10 minutes out of a 30 minute show is entirely too much. when will it be 15 minutes (50%) of the entire show? You also have to remember that those commercials also support the company they're on. 80% of all media is owned by only 8 companies world wide! Disney owns ABC, westinghouse owns CNN (or CBS, i forget) and GE owns NBC. when you watch a show w/ a "cool" punk commercial you are in fact sponsoring what these huge corporations do. I hope everyone who reads this knows atleast to an extent how these corporations work and how they go about doing that. For example, GE is one of the world's largest arms manufactures. During the Gulf war, you probably saw many of their fine products put to good use! if everyone truely understood, there wouldn't be companies like this around because no one in

show rest of comment1 - commercials are ever increasingly cutting into more of the programs we watch. 10 minutes out of a 30 minute show is entirely too much. when will it be 15 minutes (50%) of the entire show? You also have to remember that those commercials also support the company they're on. 80% of all media is owned by only 8 companies world wide! Disney owns ABC, westinghouse owns CNN (or CBS, i forget) and GE owns NBC. when you watch a show w/ a "cool" punk commercial you are in fact sponsoring what these huge corporations do. I hope everyone who reads this knows atleast to an extent how these corporations work and how they go about doing that. For example, GE is one of the world's largest arms manufactures. During the Gulf war, you probably saw many of their fine products put to good use! if everyone truely understood, there wouldn't be companies like this around because no one in their right mind would support them. 2 - i'm not even going to touch on this one... 3 - it would be great if bands didn't advertise at all and could make a living off their work, as long as they are producing their art their own creative side and not just to make a buck off it. the truth is, almost all bands do advertise to an extent. ads in 'zines, stickers and t-shirts are some of the many ways and i find it hard to argue thats bad. thats the only way i hear about most of the bands i've come to like. now, to sell your music to pepsi which is only using it to make money is not the type of advertising i respect because as the band is trying to get big or well-known, pepsi is just getting bigger and bigger.
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Someone (December 23, 2000)

i didn't bother reading your post, because it sounded pretty gay from the first sentance mr know it all

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Someone (December 23, 2000)

yeah...and gay is bad, right? when are people going to learn to stop using this term? maybe you should have read it...it had a lot of merit and you might have learned something, or is that not punk, learning

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MacPunk (December 24, 2000)

It's so true. This man knows what he is talking about. And enough with the gaybashing. Is anyone else sick of everyone being called anonymous?

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Someone (December 23, 2000)
1 - commercials are ever increasingly cutting into more of the programs we watch. 10 minutes out of a 30 minute show is entirely too much. when will it be 15 minutes (50%) of the entire show? You also have to remember that those commercials also support the company they're on. 80% of all media is owned by only 8 companies world wide! Disney owns ABC, westinghouse owns CNN (or CBS, i forget) and GE owns NBC. when you watch a show w/ a "cool" punk commercial you are in fact sponsoring what these huge corporations do. I hope everyone who reads this knows atleast to an extent how these corporations work and how they go about doing that. For example, GE is one of the world's largest arms manufactures. During the Gulf war, you probably saw many of their fine products put to good use! if everyone truely understood, there wouldn't be companies like this around because no one in

show rest of comment1 - commercials are ever increasingly cutting into more of the programs we watch. 10 minutes out of a 30 minute show is entirely too much. when will it be 15 minutes (50%) of the entire show? You also have to remember that those commercials also support the company they're on. 80% of all media is owned by only 8 companies world wide! Disney owns ABC, westinghouse owns CNN (or CBS, i forget) and GE owns NBC. when you watch a show w/ a "cool" punk commercial you are in fact sponsoring what these huge corporations do. I hope everyone who reads this knows atleast to an extent how these corporations work and how they go about doing that. For example, GE is one of the world's largest arms manufactures. During the Gulf war, you probably saw many of their fine products put to good use! if everyone truely understood, there wouldn't be companies like this around because no one in their right mind would support them. 2 - i'm not even going to touch on this one... 3 - it would be great if bands didn't advertise at all and could make a living off their work, as long as they are producing their art their own creative side and not just to make a buck off it. the truth is, almost all bands do advertise to an extent. ads in 'zines, stickers and t-shirts are some of the many ways and i find it hard to argue thats bad. thats the only way i hear about most of the bands i've come to like. now, to sell your music to pepsi which is only using it to make money is not the type of advertising i respect because as the band is trying to get big or well-known, pepsi is just getting bigger and bigger. Bret oi joy boy

yea, but mxpx is mxpx.

what's wrong with capitalism?

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Someone (December 23, 2000)

what is wrong w/ captailism!?!?! i thought a part of "punk" was being aware of whats going on in the world and making a positive change. in short, think about how many lives are wasted slaving at your typical 9-5 job while the CEO's of your company are living in luxury doing nothing. in return you live w/ relatively low amounts of freedoms and struggle to pay the bills. yes, captailism does rule.

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Someone (December 23, 2000)

and if you were one of those CEOs your opinion would be different, so who cares.

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Strife (December 23, 2000)

If you did your research, you would be aware that a capitalist system is anything but authoritarian. Unfortunately, the bands who are "informing" you are giving you only half the story. Of course, you won't believe the above, but that's quite alright.

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Someone (December 26, 2000)

thank god! someone finally understands... i seriously doubt any of you fuckers would want to live under a communist ruler. talk about slaving and having relatively little freedom under capitalism! you'll still do the same job, but your pay will go to the state and you'll have no freedom. I think its great how all these bands talk about how democracy and capitalism and the united states suck while they are charging 10 - 15 a tickets and selling t-shirts with logos and slogans that would be banned in most other countries.

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Someone (December 24, 2000)

capitalism rocks.

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Someone (December 23, 2000)

what is wrong w/ captailism!?!?! i thought a part of "punk" was being aware of whats going on in the world and making a positive change. in short, think about how many lives are wasted slaving at your typical 9-5 job while the CEO's of your company are living in luxury doing nothing. in return you live w/ relatively low amounts of freedoms and struggle to pay the bills. yes, captailism does rule. Bret oi joy boy@aol.com

Yea, mxpx are sellouts. Who wants to see them in a huge smelly stadium with cypress hill anyways? They have really lost my support. But you gotta admit, that mountain dew song was pretty catchy.

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DayGlo (December 23, 2000)

mxpx are christians anyway so they dont really know any better.

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MacPunk (December 24, 2000)

mxpx has stuck to their christian values like Hilary Clinton has stuck to her "hometown", New York. They haven't stuck to those beliefs at all. I've heard them swearing up a storm, doing un-christian things on loveline. I'm not some Christian enforcer I just think people should stick to their beliefs. "If you don't believe in something, you'll fall for anything" -John Mellencamp

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Someone (December 23, 2000)
they're not my favorite band, but i find a lot of mxpx songs really catchy, and that what music is about. the band has made it clear many times, they are are not looking for "mega star" status, but they don't plan to fight popularity either. they never really sold out out, because they were never looking to. they play the same music and the kids like it. and even if you hate the warped tout, you have to admit the two biggest sponsers were vans and mountain dew, so admist this evil, lies some retribution. lay off the sellout shit, if you're punk enough to lable me a poser, than obvioiusly you forgot what it really means to be a punk. we run a DIY non-profit promotional company called Liberty City Productions that brings small indie punk bands to my area, and promotes their music, and livelyhood, at no profit. excuse the rant, but if promoting your music is selling out, than

show rest of commentthey're not my favorite band, but i find a lot of mxpx songs really catchy, and that what music is about. the band has made it clear many times, they are are not looking for "mega star" status, but they don't plan to fight popularity either. they never really sold out out, because they were never looking to. they play the same music and the kids like it. and even if you hate the warped tout, you have to admit the two biggest sponsers were vans and mountain dew, so admist this evil, lies some retribution. lay off the sellout shit, if you're punk enough to lable me a poser, than obvioiusly you forgot what it really means to be a punk. we run a DIY non-profit promotional company called Liberty City Productions that brings small indie punk bands to my area, and promotes their music, and livelyhood, at no profit. excuse the rant, but if promoting your music is selling out, than what does it really mean to be punk?
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MacPunk (December 24, 2000)

Whoa, you got me all wrong. I don't go around making fun of other people for being "posers" or wearing "abercrombie", I just live how I want and accept how others want to live. I simply am saying that I was an mxpx fan and I do not support them if they are going to play in huge stadiums. I am referring to their tour with cypress hill and I think offspring. I enjoy shows in small, friendly clubs and I don't appreciate the cold, unfriendly corporate world.

Yeah but who gives a fuck about mxpx? I'd rather drink peppsi than listen to their boring music...And they are on maojr, so why all the shock?

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Someone (December 23, 2000)

cause its not punk to drink pepsi, eh? So then what is? dirty tap water?

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MacPunk (December 24, 2000)

Back in the day we couldn't afford pop, it was an unnecissary luxury...

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Someone (January 16, 2002)

Oh yeah MXPX was cool.............Then I turned 2 HAHAHAHAHAH HOHOHHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE oh yeah did i mention they suck

Yes i do drink coke and pepsi products, but most of the time i will just go for PC, RC or some other cheap brand name.

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punky (December 23, 2000)

I drink it too, but 'home brand' or 'no frills' ones.not the origional one...

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Someone (December 23, 2000)

poor fags

I'll admit, every now and then i'll slip and drink a coke or pepsi product but i try my darn best to support companies that support me. that might sound lame when you talk about beverages but its true. i normally drink juice anyways. taste preferences should count! No one beats jones soda. bret oi joy boy

if someone offers me one or if it is there i may drink it if im thirsty, but i wouldnt waste my money on it. besides, pepsi and coke taste pretty shitty.

I can't believe you have nothing better to do than get on here and complain about people complaining about Coke using a punk song and how not-cool it is. Hey, you got what they wanted, a feeling of superiority, and I'm helping.

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Someone (December 24, 2000)

I can't believe you have nothing better to do then get on here and complain about people complaining about people complaining.

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RandomIam79 (December 26, 2000)

I wasnt complaining about people complaining about people complaining........and if that was the case I'd be complaining about people complaining, so you threw an extra one in there........Im just amused at so-called "punks" sometime. I dont drink coke anyways, I drink beer.

i'm confused about how we're "helping". i think we're anti-helping because people read these and realize how fucking lame coke or pepsi or whoever it was that had that ad really is. bret oi joy boy@aol.com

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Someone (December 24, 2000)

I don't know............... before I read any of this I didn't know the commercial existed. Now not only do I know about it but A) want to see it and B) Need a drink!! You may think you're "anti-helping" but you're still talking about it, and by talking about it you're making people aware of it and hence advertising it for them!

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MacPunk (December 24, 2000)

I'm not so sure of your logic here. We need to discuss our ideas. Personally, I occasionally enjoy a coke, but their advertising won't influence my decisions. Only you can decide who you want to believe. "Refuse to become roadkill" -AAA-

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punkgirl (December 29, 2000)

you are helping by buying coke products. if you are so worried about the punk image being displayed on a coke ad abandon the company, don't buy their stuff! as if anyone would see the add and go 'ooh i'm punk, maybe i should go get some coke!' everyone drinks it anyway, so forget it....i've said enough

Sure it sucks that Coke's got a new punk ad, but i bet you all buy and consume it, so your just supporting it...if it bothers you that much stop drinking it. i don't like companys like coke and pepsi using punk bands/music/lifestyle any more than the next guy, but there's nothing you can do about it, if it's so un-cool drink something else. cool or not, it's your choice

I barely ever watch tv and when i do i mute all the comercials. The only good thing on is the news. Watch it and learn something.

your rite man ! how can you write so big ? thanx

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Someone (December 26, 2000)

its called bold nigga

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Ah the voice of sense. I now too also want a coke - and I hate the stuff (I dont like the feeling of the sugar sticking to my teeth after I've finished my beverage). So well done, you've made a very good example of the advertisers being tricky, wether or not they intended it.

Hell yes

You are mildly un-informed, my dear Watson. Coca-cola CONCENTRATE is required by law to be carried in those trucks. Drink ANY concentrated soft-drink and you'll rot your insides out, jackass.