fuck u anti-flags the shit

whoever said shakes their head in disgust at anti flag you can lick ass till your tounge is dry

Brent! you're alive! neat! - Skümbückët

well, canadians can't VOTE in the US, fucker

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punxtar (August 17, 2004)

hence the joke.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

'Tho... you know the new electoral craze? Americans living abroad. They say that there are anywhere from 4 to 10 million voting Americans living abroad that could tip the balance in swing states this year. Canada has the second-largest amount of Americans living in the country out of all foreign countries. John Kerry's sister is campaigning in Canada to reach out to these voters. A PunkVoter show or two in Montreal, Toronto, and Vancouver w/ free admission for Americans might be cool. But probably the effort is best spent in the States.

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Someone (August 18, 2004)

did you not read the message.....

Rage Against The Machine = shitty vocals, repetitive lyrics...hell, I'll go out on a limb and say the shit sounds like political nu-metal.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

i'm gonna go out on a limb and say you're a fuckin used douche bag. RATM is one of the only bands that was greatly influenced by politics that actually new what they were talking about. They made you actually think about it. At shows they didn't go on rants about their beliefs they just played. I just hope they go on a reunion tour and i hope you shoot yourself

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

plus to call them nu-metal is a fucking joke. they released there first album in '92, LONG before the rise of nu-metal. they were one of the great bands of the 90's. it's too bad that shit went down the way it did, this band should still be together. -sir willups brightslymore ps - zach de la rocha's solo album is in the same boat as the new GNR. the most anticipated album you'll never hear.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

Did you ever hear zach de la rocha's band before rage? They were called inside out (or something like that) it was cool he screamed but didnt rap like in rage.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

yeah they were badass

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

Their first album came out in '92? So, you mean to tell me they weren't opening for Limp Bizkit? No fucking shit. They have the nu-metal sound. The only reason you don't see it is because A.P. and Mtv never tacked 'em with the label. So, put down your Disturbed cds and go listen to Propagandi, you fucking pussy.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

they don't have the nu-metal sound you tool and yes i will go out and listen to propaghandi and to bad I would never by a disturbed cd

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

*nt

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

They broke up. You're sad. I'm happy. Their music still sucks. Haha.

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Klasticono (August 17, 2004)

The music sucked and the singer was a hypocrite trying to be something he wasn't.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

*nt

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Someone (August 18, 2004)

what was he trying to be buddy

Blame Zac he is the reason RATM is no more.

You know exactly what the fuck I'm talking about pretty baby

There was :-)!

anti flag too

usually i find this guy annoying, but this one was fucking funny.

Looks like they stayed with their plan of playing colleges...god this is dumb as shit...the only people who will show up are people who are already anti-Bush to begin with...god this is dumb as shit.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

What are you talking about? None of those dates are at colleges.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

It's called sarcasm dumbass.

they won't change anyone's mind in florida...

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

how does that differ from any other state? if they truly were targeting swing states, clearly florida would play a more prominent role...the organizers of this tour just don't know what they're doing and therefore shouldn't tout it as targeting swing states

Fat Mike doesn't know enough about politics to understand what a swing state is..

Why are they even bothering playing in California? Not only is it practically guaranteed to go to Kerry, they're playing in San Francisco instead of a more moderate area. Jesus will rise from the grave sooner than San Francisco votes any less than 80% democrat.

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Someone (August 18, 2004)

Seriously. They need to do Fresno.

You're just a bitch who ain't down with tha bodyrock. dd tsst dd tsst dd tsst dd tsst

I dont care for nation either, i went to the rancid show and unless you stand right in front, you see nothing!!!-oldpunker-

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

They over-sell Nation like mad. At least in places like 9:30 and the Black Cat you have room to move, wheras at Nation it takes more time to get back to the bar than it takes the next band to set up and start playing.

nation ain't that bad. yeah, it's in a god shit awful neighborhood. far worse than the 930 or Black Cat. but to say it is "rave- hall turned show-club" is to reveal your utter ignorance of the DC scene. nation was originally opened as the Capitol Ballroom. and whom might you guess played the innaugural show? yeah, the fucking Ramones. that place has a great main room for bands. it's not my favorite place in DC to see a show, but geez, it ain't that bad either.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

Nation isn't too bad but I always get lost driving home and the neighborhood is not so great

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

shut up, boner

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sickboi (chris) (August 17, 2004)

I went to the Ballroom many a time, but when they started having "Buzz" and "Sunday Mass" there, and painted it all of those ugly neon colors, and built the stupid catwalk, I said to hell with it.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

That's when I STARTED going. Don't stop witda bodyrock!

Nation definitely has it's drawbacks but I have to say that it has better sight lines than the Black Cat. Is it just me or has Nation been booking a lot fewer punk shows (and a lot more latin music and dj shows) over the past year? Anybody know what happened? keds

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ZeAliOuS (August 18, 2004)

MORE FLORIDA DATES!! I cant even vote and a drive to tampa would suck.

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Someone (August 18, 2004)

Over several years, actually. Someone in booking prefers the dance scene to the live music scene. Or at least the live indie music scene.

Rage Against The Machine = shitty vocals, repetitive lyrics...hell, I'll go out on a limb and say the shit sounds like political nu-metal.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

Are you really this retarded? Okay, you dont like Rage's rap style vocals or their lyrics. I can allow you to form those opinions because thats a matter of taste but the term nu-metal does not associate well with RATM for a few reasons. The bulk of which have to do with the fact RATM were making amazing politically charged music that rocked hard and fans of metal and being stupid enjoyed their music. They merged the two together with drunken frat boy thinking and thus the birth of nu-metal. RATM was the origin. The rest of the real nu-metal bands half stole their sound and crapped it up. Regardless RATM rock harder than 99% of the bands mentioned on this site and they will be missed seeing Audioslave is the suck

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

If you think Audioslave sucks, maybe you should go back and relisten to your Rage cds.

You retard. What do you think punk is about?--What a dumb ass. Punk died before the 80's. And so will everything else if you don't grow some balls.

Punk's Not Dead! Hey, I bet that would make a great t-shirt....

Lets think about this, punk and politics........cause those two things don't go hand in hand. They always have and always will. Exhibit A-Dead Kennedys, Exhibit B-Black Flag. I rest my case.

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Brennanj22 (August 25, 2004)

pay no attention, it's just another asshole who's saying stupid shit for the sake of saying it, most likely anyone who thought that wouldn't even know about this site.

The Starlight Ballroom 460 N 9th St (9th and Hamilton - which is one block below Spring Garden) Philadelphia, PA R5 Productions just started putting on shows there. Against Me is playing 10/22.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

oh yeah that place. r5 is great. is the starlight ballroom in a safe neighborhood?

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

I hope so...I know nothing about neighborhoods in philly and I'm moving there for college...like is Upper Darby a safe neighborhood? And I'm assuming that the First Unitarian Chruch is in a safe neighborhood then?

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

9th & Hamilton is in center city Philly. You're no more or less safe than any other large metropolitan area.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

yeah i have never had any problems at the First Unitarian church before. upper darby is fine. West Philly is scary and so is North Philly.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

Shit, I'm pretty sure I'm going to school in North Philly, isn't Glenside north? It wasn't that scarry though.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

Glenside's pretty much right outside North Philly. Are you going to Arcadia? It was so much better when it was Beaver College. Heheh. Beaver.

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Someone (August 18, 2004)

Yeah I'm going to Arcadia...I heard that when it was Beaver it was also an all girls school

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Someone (August 18, 2004)

Glenside is a norhtern suburrb of Philly, in Montgomery County(about 10 minutes from the city). It is as safe as any town can be. You are not ia a urban setting there.

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Someone (August 18, 2004)

Same neighborhood as the Electric Factory just two blocks west.

it's pretty much right over the Ben Franklin bridge... coming from jersey that is... I'll be at the show! gimme an IM sometime... maybe we can meet up... I'm hoping to get a ton of people to go..

Ha ha?

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SteveJonesTheRealBones (August 17, 2004)

was that one questionable? - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

I'm Ron Burgundy?

Funnily enough, the word punk isn't metioned anywhere in the title of the tour.

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SteveJonesTheRealBones (August 17, 2004)

haha. i really need to start reading shit before i start talking it. oh well. at least it says punk voter on the side. fuck man. fuck. um...rock against bush tour?....too bad none of these bands even know gavin rossdale - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

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CrookedSuperhero (August 17, 2004)

No Doubt support the whole rock against bush thing, and gwen stefani, there singer, is married to Gavin Rossdale. Of course, no doubt are awful.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

I'd rock against Bush too.. that fuckin band sucked..

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thirtyseconds (August 17, 2004)

No they are amazing to use an overused word- they will come back with a new album soon- woot!

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

Machinehead was an amazing song. ^_^

please, do us all a favor and go away.

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SteveJonesTheRealBones (August 17, 2004)

its pretty easy not to read what i write. i mean, its fairly fucking obvious, what with the email address and name after each post. so you dont have to read it. in fact. you are no longer allowed to read my posts. - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anti-Flag and Strike Anywhere...well Strike Anywhere is more on the hardcore side so I guess if you wanted to you could say they don't count.

i am very perplexed about this whole thing. I hate both Bush and Kerry seeing as that they both compromise their own views during election time to squeeze out more votes. I can't vote for Nader because it's a waste. These punks come together and are brainwashed by Fat Mike's propaganda which is really a form of conformity and not very 'punk' at all. Come election time I will probably painfully vote for Kerry just to remove Bush when I know full well this will not improve the country over the next four years in the slightest. Such a sad state of affairs.

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SteveJonesTheRealBones (August 17, 2004)

fuck. just as long as hillary doesnt get elected in 08 i think i will be semi ok. - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

maybe you should vote for Kerry then. That would mean Hiiary wouldn't have a shot until 2012 But, I can't stand either of the two.

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SteveJonesTheRealBones (August 17, 2004)

yeah. i've actuall considered that, butr i dont know its such a hard choice. its like ...do i want bad or worse now...if bad, would i rather have bad now and evil in four years, or is eight years of worse better. but there is always, bring in worse now and a better in four years, or the chance that evil wont win in four years. it gives me a headache sometimes - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

sooth your headache with a shotgun.

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CrookedSuperhero (August 17, 2004)

Hush Bones, you'll be ok.

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Shindo (adam) (August 17, 2004)

"These punks come together and are brainwashed by Fat Mike's propaganda which is really a form of conformity and not very 'punk' at all." So you're saying that free thinking people can't POSSIBLY agree with this cause without being brainwashed? That's 100 % pure ol' fashioned grade A bullshit. People think for themselves, just because you don't agree with them dosen't mean their somehow thinking on a lower-level than you. -adam

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

Adam, Fat Mike is not Bob Dylan. Fat Mike continually makes remarks that are so simple-minded that they ignore the complexity of the situtation. Sure we all laugh when he did the song on Conan and said "Nobody better vote for Nader" And yet the whole reason as to why Mike voted for Nader in 00' is forgotten. Surely we can agree that there is a problem with politics in punk music, simply because there is not a full understanding of the bigger picture. By the way if you want a good protest record listen to Bob Dylan's Live Vol. 4 cd. Amazing. - The Merry Prankster

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Shindo (adam) (August 17, 2004)

Don't lecture me about Dylan. I never said that Fat Mike's message was incredibly enlightened, I said he's not brainwashing people. Most people who agree with him do so for a reason, not because "he's in NOFX dude!" I don't think there's any problem with politics in punk music. In times of social unrest music REFLECTS the opinions, fears and concerns relevant to the people in that scene, it's not the root cause of these opinions. If you're waiting for a band to give you all sides of an issue with properly sourced research in a 3 minute pop song you're looking for too much. Music serves a social purpose, it's not the be-all and end-all of political debate nor should you expect it to be. -adam

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

how many people were screaming to oust bush before fat mike said anything. trust me man, people dont even know why they want bush out. besides the fact that hes "stupid". seriously no matter who gets in office, all these problems will be here, and democrats want more government involvement with the family and home. and werent the original "punks" screaming against that? i dunno, you people are a fucking joke.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

Haha, right, punk is all about conservative values - faith, hierarchy, patriarchy, elitism, religious traditionalism, and a strong distrust of new ideas. Joe Strummer was all over that shit, baby!

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SteveJonesTheRealBones (August 17, 2004)

you dont make sense jackass. just because he is saying punks were against something that democrats were pushing for, does not mean he is saying punks are for all other aspects of republican policy. dickweed. besides. republicans arent distrustful of new ideas, they just think and dont act on every stupid thing that pops in their head like you do. - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

thank you

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CrookedSuperhero (August 17, 2004)

Could you name five 'ideas' the current goverment has thought up and implemented that have benefitted everyday people Bones. By the way, minor tax cuts don't count.

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SteveJonesTheRealBones (August 17, 2004)

eh. i dont know, but i cant say the same for democrats either. i'm not actually that big on either party, but i can probably name five ideas that democrats would want to implement and i'm glad that republicans would fight against - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

go away

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CrookedSuperhero (August 17, 2004)

The democrats aren't in power, so it dosen't really matter if you can't say the same for them. Can anyone tell me five good things rebulicans have done? I'm genuinly curious if anyone can.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

First of all, this is a matter of opinion, and what you and I consider to be "good". Second of all, name five good things the democrates have done. Better yet, name 5 good things that have come from the US government in the past 10 years. All i see is sex scandals, war and the regular doses of bull shit. And you can't say, "Well there was a good economy during the Clinton years" because that would have happened no matter who was presedent because the time was right for the economy to thrive.

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CrookedSuperhero (August 17, 2004)

Hell i wasn't saying the democrats were any better, and a good points generally a good point for everyone who are in similar situations, but really who gives a shit about sex scandals. I thought that was the single biggest waste of tax payers money in history.

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fistchode (August 17, 2004)

so then.. let's just smash the ol' capitalist state.. and have good times for everything.

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Haggard (August 17, 2004)

Wow, you obviously don't know anything about economics or politics. -Justin

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Someone (August 18, 2004)

And what makes you the ultimate authority on what I do and do not know? In fact, where are your reasons to support this ostentatious conclusion?

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fistchode (August 17, 2004)

I think you give fat mike too much credit, and the punk populace not enough. believe it or not, you're not the only one who "sees through the lies". the rest of us aren't mindless drones, have people have their own reasons for being for or against bush. I'm back this up with seeing the rock against bush tour this march in seattle. When Jello ranted and raved, there was always applause, but for each statement, there was applause from different people. People listened, and if they agreed, they clapped, and if not, they didn't. People were GASP! not afraid to show their opinion. So what are you basing your generalization that "no one knows why they want Bush out"?

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CrankWillDestroy (August 17, 2004)

exactly. it's just another person claiming that everyone who doesn't like or agree with Bush is obviously 'brainwashed' by fat mike. yep, nobody was against Bush before fat mike and punkvoter.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

i didnt say that, and to be honest im not voting for bush, im voting for kerry, i want to see bush out too, but for other reasons that to jump on a bandwagon or a trend or what ever you want to call it. the sole purpose im voting for kerry is because how bush misused the army, marines, navy, airforce on his war on terrorism. he just moved our forces in and kept them there based on sketchy information... im in the military, and spend 12 months in iraq getting shot at and having to do raids on houses where i found my self pointing an m16 rifle at a 5 year old made me come to my conclusion

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CrookedSuperhero (August 17, 2004)

Did the kids cry when you pointed the gun in there faces?

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

yes they did, and it was the most heartbreaking thing i have ever experianced.

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CrookedSuperhero (August 18, 2004)

Hmm.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

Uh, people have wanted him out since he was "voted" in. Maybe you first heard of it because of Fat Mike, but don't assume everyone else hadn't first.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

do you ever think that the rise in popularity of people wanting to get bush out of office has anything to do with the fact that there is an election coming up? The closer it gets to election time the more people care about politics.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

Hulk hogan for president

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

agreed

you dont know what the fuck your talking about. this tour is not promoting hate, its promoting standing and supporting and idea you believe in which in this case happeneds to be trying to get bush out of office. and u say kids dont have any reason to hate? i have PLENTY of reasons to hate bush...PLENTY and i can list them ALL. dont say theres no reason to hate, theres plenty of reason to hate. dont fucking post that shit about not hating. the world runs on hate. as much as i dont want to admit it, and as much as i dont like it, its true. get used to it.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

the world doesnt run on hate. quit being a hater. dont hate the player (bush) hate the game (boning your mom). john kerry

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

hahahah

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punxtar (August 17, 2004)

Dont playa hate, participate!!!

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

Your world view is dismal and cynical. Hate only motivates the hateful, I see you fit well into that category. How about encouraging an intelligent debate of the issues? I heard that we used that kind of thing back in 70's. Fat Mike should spend less time talking about rocking against bush and spend more time rocking the issues and giving Kerry an honest critical eye. You guys are giving a free pass to a guy who married his way into a fortune, has a dubious military record (only an issue because he makes it one), and hasn't done a very good job of communicating his stances on key issues. It's a tradgedy for our democracy that are willing to cut off our nose to spite our face so easily.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

Not to stand up for Kerry, but his mother was a Forbes.. i don't think he really needed to marry into money..

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

list the reasons then tough guy

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ZeAliOuS (August 18, 2004)

Damn cant find my HOW TO HATE BUSH-for dummies book. But when I do... I will slap all of u in the faces with it!

three words to hate bush and proove he's not fully into the war on terrorism: loose nukes program. look it up. by pulling out of it, bush has basically made it easier for enriched uranium to find its way onto the black market and into the hands of terrorists.

Good point. I admire your words.

Quote of the day!

I second that notion.

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ZeAliOuS (August 18, 2004)

Fuck u

Yeah baby! Action Woman! Woo-hoo!

That is kind of a wierd way to think about things...but I think you would look back and think your a douche bag if bush wins and there is a possibility of you or your friends and family getting drafted so some shit like that...cause if bush wins lets face it..in those 4 years there is gonna be one more war for sure and the iraq mess is still gonna going on for a long time

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

um. except that there wouldnt be a draft unless a democrat instated it, because the republicans arent going to so. uh. think about it john kerry

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

Kerry will still send people to die, remember he voted for the war.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

Hey idiot, when was the last time you picked up a newspaper? You are a product of Fat Mike. John Kerry will still continue the war, Bush will continue the war. They have both sworn to this. Kerry voted for war. The democrates want a draft, not the republicans. Bush is a republican, therefore as long as he is in power there will be no draft. Secondly, the US cannot oust another nations dictator and just take off. We are committed to Iraq until the fledgling government can gain it's footing. If we were to come in, fuck shit up and split, we would have every nation in the world knocking on our door with weapons cocked saying, "fix what you did".

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

Yeah, cause that's exactly what has happened the COUNTLESS times the U.S. has meddled in other SOVEREIGN nations' business. Fuck you.

When you say 2 fresh faces...you mean possibly 1 fresh democratic face.. if that...cause Dick Chaney would run for office..his heart attack lesbian daugther self isn't a fresh face even though u hardly see him outta the hospital...and I'm sure John Edwards or even Kerry would run again in 4 yrs. so ur logic is kinda stupid. I say vote for Morgan Freeman, but that's just me.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

No, I think McCain would beat Cheney in nomination. Did anyone see the thing on the Daily Show where John Steuart was doing an impersonation of McCain sarcastically saying he supports Bush(I bet he votes for Kerry, shit I'd have voted for Kerry if McCain was with him)

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

McCain has said repeatedly that he would never run for president. If you read interviews with him, he is quite pissed off about the Bush, but he has to support him because he is Republican.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

I think it's all a loyalty thing - he probably thinks that Kerry would be a slightly better President fiscally at least (McCain always goes out of his way to bash the White House when they "spend like drunken sailors"), but doesn't want to betray the Republican party so he can seek the nomination in 2008.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

I disagree with McCain on most of the issues but I admire his honesty and integrity (for the most part). If he went Independent like Jim Jeffords, I'd have much more respect for him.

It's better to fix the problem now then wait 4 years. Plus in four years Jeb Bush will be running on one side and possibly Hilary Clinton on the other side. Hmm... those last names look really familiar. Yup sounds like a fresh debate to me.

First off, four years is a long time. In four years you can go to war, turn a record surplus into a record deficit, and lose millions of jobs. Secondly, why is the Iraq War the only issue that people consider? The Democratic and Republican platforms are completely different. Just because you hear that two candidates are the same, it doesn't mean that it's true. Also, there will never be a President named Jeb. If he had gotten the good name (George), he would be President.

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Someone (August 18, 2004)

another consideration.....it's not about bush. a couple of the more liberal members of the supreme court are getting to the point of retirement. is bush is elected for the next term and some the liberal leaning justices retire, he'll replace them with conservative judges which will swing the balance of power entirely to the conservatives for a very long time. bush will be long gone and the conservative supreme court will still be ruling. it makes a BIG difference who's in office for the next 4 years.

Ahh!!! You beat me to the Strike Anywhere/Gillette comment.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

Yeah even though it's pretty lame, I knew I had to.

haha

Uh, why don't you look at the amount of electoral votes that state carries.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

That's irrelevant to the question. California is safe Democratic territory. Even though Ahnold is very popular there, Californians in general view Bush unfavorably. I think Kerry is leading by around 15 points in California. Gore didn't spend much time in the state, and he won it easily. Now states like New Mexico, Arizona, Oregon, Washington, Michigan, Florida, Arkansas, West Virginia, Ohio... that's where the resources should be flowin', baby. Hell, they could even take a crack at Tennessee, where Kerry and Bush are polling pretty evenly. New Orleans and Virginia are long shots, but they could be worth the extra effort.

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sickboi (chris) (August 17, 2004)

Virginia? No way. Its commonly known to us commonwealthers (ya liked that one, right?) that if you aren't republican here, your vote is worthless. I'll still vote, as I see it as my civic duty (or something), but I can't remember the last democrat to take this state.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

Well, it's true that VA hasn't voted Democrat since, like, 1956, but check out the results from the 2000 election: Bush/Cheney Republican 1,437,490 52.5% Gore/Lieberman Democrat 1,217,290 44.4% Nader/La Duke Green 59,398 2.2% It's not a completely lost cause. 44.4% is pretty respectable, and I'm willing to bet that a lot of disaffected liberals and democrats didn't even bother voting. It's still Bush country, sure, but Democrats have been having a little bit more luck in the state in the past few years (eg. Gov. Mark Warner).

cracka ass cracka!

Strike Anywhere is a powerhouse. Maybe not in fame but they rock harder than 99% of the bands out there. The rest of the bands on the bill rock out as hard as a 3year old still wearing diapers.

If u like green day and no doubt, you have no say in anything. Go listen to ur green day and mxpx and even pennywise crap.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

wow you're an idiot

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Someone (August 18, 2004)

It's Punknews. EVERYONE on here is an idiot. It won't matter next year when Bush wins and every last poster on here will be called up in a draft. I hope I'm wrong, but people don't know how deep the shit is right now....

fuck. lost another one john kerry

Bad Astronaut recorded a cover of some really good song, but I don't remember what, and it was for the RAB 2 comp.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

Why was it not on there? Is it beacuse Lagwagon was already on it?

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

I hope not, cuz Lagwagon had already released Status Pools online, so we could have gone without Status Pools.

Bigwig isnt a band anymore as far as I know so yea....

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

Maybe, but theres bands that have put out stuff on the comps that are no more, like, operation ivy, jawbreaker, and bands like common rider are listed as well.

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thirtyseconds (August 17, 2004)

Bigwig rule- I wish someone would tell me for sure what is happening- on their old website the webmaster said "I have heard some demos for their new album and they ROCK!"

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

What happened with Bigwig? The announcement that they would be playing Hellfest came from their email address, they didn't show up, and I haven't heard anything official since. keds

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

Bigwig hasn't broken up, they are playing the Warped 10 year reunion show friday, and then touring/recording/releasing their new record through the fall. word.

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Someone (August 18, 2004)

They are as good as broken up/dead. Havent you noticed Bigwig lies about their activities a lot? Hey were playing Hellfest. Oh wait, we didnt show up. Biggest show we've been booked to do in like 3 years and we bail. Hey warped tour 10th aniversary, our van broke down aka we couldnt find a bassist/drummer/guitarist to show up. Seriously, they are lazy bastards. They've said they're going to record a record every season for the last year and a half. They are full of shit. I'll see it when i believe it. As far as im concerned they are through. On a good note, Invitiation to Tragedy is a good CD to end on. Anything they plan to put out without Matt Gray is bound to be rubish.

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Someone (August 18, 2004)

Signed, Matt Gray

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Someone (August 20, 2004)

his name is spelt "grey" and no, i'm not Matt. I just think he was a great asset to the band seeing he was the only one in the band that was actually nice to the people who came to see the shows.

I know Common Rider broke up. Is Diesel Boy still around?

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

I don't know. What ever happend to Honest Dons? They havn't had a release in like 6 months, not since The Real Mckinzies and The Nerf Herder re-release.

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Tahoejeff (August 17, 2004)

Diesel Boy is on hiatus. I emailed the Fat mailbag, and I got a reply from Floyd

I don't think there will be, but that would be cool

That would be sweet! Even if it was just, AAA, Avail, Bad Astronuat, Big D, Bigwig, Circle Jerks, Common Rider, Enemy You, The Explosion, Fifteen, M.M. Bosstones, Suicide Machines, Rocket from the Crypt, Swingin' Utters, and Youth Brigad, thats still 15 tracks.

Because there white power scum? Or lazy, your choice.

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CrankWillDestroy (August 17, 2004)

yea, I'm gonna say both.

The singer was mysteriouly killed in the 80's

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

I dont see why we need a biased Political group backing music. Why cant they just present un-biased material for the kids to read and then based on that material they make a decision. Thats what im saying. Punkvoter is presenting the material to make you think "Duh, you have to vote bush. look at the facts" but thats not the facts. The facts are Kerry and Bush remain 50/50 and there is a reason why people continuely put faith in Bush. So the whole arguement "duh, look at what hes done" is obviously not that evident to 50% of america so really punkvoter's point is weak to say the least.

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Someone (August 19, 2004)

Actually, the bands are backing the political movement, not the other way around. I don't see how you could miss that. I don't think anyone is arguing that PunkVoter is unbiased, either. Why should they be? If someone wants unbiased news they can read the wires from Associated Press or Reuters. The point of the material PunkVoter provides is obviously to educate people on their (PunkVoter's) perspective. Being unbiased is something that is to be expected in journalism, not political movements.

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Brennanj22 (August 25, 2004)

The people that are still supporting Bush are the few that are benefiting from the Republican regime controlling the senate and executive branch, and those that aren't educated enough and don't understand where the different candidates really stand on the issues. They support Bush because at first, at a very quick glance, Republican ideals sound like they are better for the middle class, when in reality they're not.

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Brennanj22 (August 25, 2004)

The people that are still supporting Bush are the few that are benefiting from the Republican regime controlling the senate and executive branch, and those that aren't educated enough and don't understand where the different candidates really stand on the issues. They support Bush because at first, at a very quick glance, Republican ideals sound like they are better for the middle class, when in reality they're not. I don't look at the boards enough, if you want to respond, IM me at Brennanj22

shit 3 ohio dates....to bad none are in Toledo.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

Ha Toledo sucks besides The Submarines

lost your vote because an independent organization didnt come through your state? no wonder so many assholes get elected to govt positions

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ShamRocknRoll (August 17, 2004)

if fat mike really wanted me to vote for Kerry then he would bring the tour to my state god damnit!! fat mike and punkvoter was the only reason i even wanted to vote for kerry....and i guess they dont really care that much!!! (heres hoping some fat wreck employee sees my ranting and brings a date to Michigan!)

the beasties should just quit they used to be good but that new shit is horrible

Punk rock isn't pro-anything dude. There are right wing punks, left wing punks, anarchists punks, and don't give a fuck punks. Try to argue this and I bet I can find plenty of people representing both sides of the argument that are undeniably punk.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

I don't need to argue it, there are like 50 bands between both Rock Against Bush CDs and I haven't heard of a single pro-Bush band, have you? Why do you think that is? Maybe because there are NONE? Look at the member list of Punk Voter, there's like 150 bands, bands that are the lifeblood of the scene. Who's a conservative punk? Michale Graves? That guy never listened to any punk bands before he got signed up to be the third singer of the Misfits. Seems pretty clear to me that punks are leftists...ya ever hear of the Dead Kennedys?

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Tahoejeff (August 17, 2004)
Did you REALLYexpect to see a pro-bush band on a rock AGAINST Bush CD? That would be stupid...on a side note, I looked at all the bands that support punkvoter...and I think its kind of funny how try to make it look like there are more bands that support pv.com, by listing some bands that are broken up, on hiatus, or just side projects of bands that are already listed. For example, Diesel Boy (Hiautus), Bosstones (Hiatus), Tilt (Broke up), Denali (broke up), Limp (Broke Up),or how about Me First and the Gimme Gimmes...Foo Fighters, NOFX, Swingin Utters, and Lagwagon are already listed...seems a little redundant to list them considering each member of Me First, is already in one of these bands. And speaking of side projects, they have The Descendents listed. What about ALL? Why arent they up there? I guess Chad doesn't want to be a part of it. Oh well...It kind of

show rest of commentDid you REALLYexpect to see a pro-bush band on a rock AGAINST Bush CD? That would be stupid...on a side note, I looked at all the bands that support punkvoter...and I think its kind of funny how try to make it look like there are more bands that support pv.com, by listing some bands that are broken up, on hiatus, or just side projects of bands that are already listed. For example, Diesel Boy (Hiautus), Bosstones (Hiatus), Tilt (Broke up), Denali (broke up), Limp (Broke Up),or how about Me First and the Gimme Gimmes...Foo Fighters, NOFX, Swingin Utters, and Lagwagon are already listed...seems a little redundant to list them considering each member of Me First, is already in one of these bands. And speaking of side projects, they have The Descendents listed. What about ALL? Why arent they up there? I guess Chad doesn't want to be a part of it. Oh well...It kind of reminds me of Black Sheep, when they discover all those dead people are registered to vote, and are casting their votes against Chris Farleys brother.
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SethCohen (August 17, 2004)

I think if any band was vocal in their support for George Bush they would be ostracized for it. Look at www.conservativepunk.com for a list of labels and bands, granted there aren't many

wow.. i've changed my mind! hoo-ray for Toby Keith! Country music here I come! What have I been thinking, trying to expand my mindset by listening to music that doesn't necessarily fit my beliefs? Thank you so much for that brilliant insight into closed-mindedness! wow!

I know for a fact that several "pro-GOP punks" posting here are actually left-wing progressive punks masquerading as idiots. If you read something that seems particularly ridiculous in its blind allegiance to Bush... trust me, someone is just having fun with juvenile internet satire.

I favor Bush over Kerry though I will vote for Micheal Badnarik (libertarian) if he is on the Ohio ballot. These punk bands used to be against government but now they want more of it. Everyone hates the government nowadays, but they want it to do everything for them.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

Come on dude, I can understand a libertarian vote in local elections, but can you really stand Kerry in office? - The Merry Prankster.

I think punk would be more in line with Libertarian ideals, after all that is the closest humanity will ever be able to get to anarchy. Call if functional anarchy, I guess.

You moron.

Vancouver B.C. or Vancouver Washington. If it's Washington go to the Portland one.

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fistchode (August 17, 2004)

shit should've specified.. Vancouver BC. thanks though.

Their not.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

To each their own.

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CrookedSuperhero (August 17, 2004)

Hmm

dude.. its really an old message.. regardless of how i fuckin vote, i still go to shows, buy CDs, buy t-shirts and throw a buck to the dude running the t-shirt stand when possible.. just cuz i listen to the music doesn't make me a liberal or a punk.. but i still support the fuckin bands.. and without support, these bands would be nowhere.. so grow the fuck up and stop trying to dictate how everyone that differs from you should act.. you wanna talk about like-minded buffons, think about yourself.. i'd say that anyone that considered themselves rebublican and listens to punk music is very much not like-minded...

When Bob Dole ran in '96 you were in Elementary school. -Justin

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

Point being? I loved government in 1996 for no apparent reason? Nope. -BSD

Is BSD old enough to vote?

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Someone (August 18, 2004)

Old enough to complain about voters. -BSD

Are you Amish?

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

No, hes obviously simply an idiot if hes excited about Anti-Flag

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Big_Guy (August 17, 2004)

Well I was just saying I live about 30-40 minutes away from Lancaster and every time I go through there I get caught behind about 45 hourse drawn buggies.

This is why Nader is a puppet of the right-wing now and why he doesn't deserve your vote. Fucking vote socialist before you vote for Nader.

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Someone (August 18, 2004)

ohh yeah, everyone knows how well socialism works.

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Someone (August 19, 2004)

it seems to be working quite well in a number of european countries, actually

It just amazes me that Republicans and conservatives bash John Edwards for being rich. This coming from the party of Ken Lay! Bush's entire Cabinet probably has more wealth than some countries have in the GDP. And Edwards has been moderate or centre-right for his career in the Senate. He has only been called the "fourth-most liberal in the Senate" based soley on his last year. But when you look at his whole career, he's been always described as a bridge-builder between the aisles and a moderate. GOP talking points are idiotic.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

You took the words right out of my mouth.

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

They're not bashing them for being rich- they're bashing them for making all these claims that they're a part of the middle classs and are blue collar or whatnot when Edwards made his money being an ambulance chaser, suing doctors for malpractice, and being partly responsible for the skyroting healthcare rates. Doesn't sound middle class to me....

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Someone (August 17, 2004)

Slander...

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SethCohen (August 17, 2004)

precisely

Your right, lets tell some funny jokes. Q.What does a Swedish Fred Flintstone say? A.Abba Dabba Doo

Funny post but I have to agree

I do think hating Bush is trendy. I saw 12 year olds at Warped Tour wearing Anti-Bush shirts. I don't know many 12 year olds who can come to those kind of conclusions themselves unless they see a hero of theirs having that view. In magazines like People, you never see what celeberties are supporting Bush, you see who is supporting Kerry, be it Madonna (doesn't live in this country), Drew Barrymore, or Ben Affleck. It's just like Kabbalah it seems. It's hot so people want to be known for it. I won't even get into the kind of problems people like Drew Barrymore or Ben Affleck have, but needless to say, they aren't the kind of people who should be role models for kids to the point where what they say should have some sort of outcome on the election, because unlike 99% of the country they can afford any kind of tax increase.

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Someone (August 18, 2004)

Kabbalah...hah

But the rest of the bands aren't. I'm going to skip the 20 minute train ride.

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CrankWillDestroy (August 18, 2004)

The 15 minute walk is worth it for me. Can't wait for the sept 25th.

You missed the news, Denali after 3 weeks of breaking up they got back togather with like a new bassist or something like that.

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Tahoejeff (August 17, 2004)

oh shit..thats cool

They just added Frank Sinatra to the list & I think dropkick murphys are secretly republicans.

So your not being dishonest with your simple rthetoric, pro-Bush-hate? I'm not going to make fun of Fat Mike, he's intitled to his belief. Realize, this crap punkvoter.com is giving is not educational, it's propagandha. Ultimately, you are either going to lose many people in the punk scene, or you are going to be brainwashing them? Frankly, I hope you lose.

Go Toby Go! I support you and your cause! Lots of people are here are fucked up...but im sure you already know that

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SethCohen (August 17, 2004)
Are lots of people fucked up because they don't have the same views you have? That's a pretty bold statement. I'm curious as to why your view is so much better than somebody who is Republican. Granted, the war sucks, but John Kerry supported it. Are you speaking of the economy, which Alan Greenspan said Bush's tax cuts are what saved it. It wasn't Clinton that put the economy in such good shape, it was the technology bubble, that HAD to bust. I'm not going around saying people who don't agree with me should move to Cuba because then they can give whatever thay work hard for back to the government. If somebody has a view different than mine that they have come to themself, because they believe in it, than I have nothing but respect for them. But to just say that people are fucked up, while sucking up to somebody makes me wonder just how you came to your view,

show rest of commentAre lots of people fucked up because they don't have the same views you have? That's a pretty bold statement. I'm curious as to why your view is so much better than somebody who is Republican. Granted, the war sucks, but John Kerry supported it. Are you speaking of the economy, which Alan Greenspan said Bush's tax cuts are what saved it. It wasn't Clinton that put the economy in such good shape, it was the technology bubble, that HAD to bust. I'm not going around saying people who don't agree with me should move to Cuba because then they can give whatever thay work hard for back to the government. If somebody has a view different than mine that they have come to themself, because they believe in it, than I have nothing but respect for them. But to just say that people are fucked up, while sucking up to somebody makes me wonder just how you came to your view, if you came to it on your own, or you listened to biased statements from Michael Moore or Fat Mike or something
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Someone (August 17, 2004)

As soon as someone starts thinking their own views aren't very good, they start compromising, and as soon as they start compromising, they don't believe in anything. So shut the fuck up. -BSD

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Someone (August 18, 2004)

I believe Fat Mike is now best friends with Good Charlotte & New Found Glory (thats like Suge Knight hanging out with Nick Carter). Whats the reasoning? there fans are not even old enough to vote. If you want to make a difference play arkansas,alabama,kentucky. KILL WHITEY!!!

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Someone (August 19, 2004)
All I said were people were fucked up you douche bag....just like you for blowing that one statement outta control and thinking what you typed. You dont think some peoples reason for for supporting bush are fucked up? Its just the same as some people reason for being against bush. There are almost 300 comments on here and your not gonna tell me most of them are just fucking stupid no matter what what you believe in or who you are. The other day on this site somebody posted a comment and then replyed to it 3 times having an arguement with themselves. That isn't fucked up? It happens all the time on this site. All I said were people were fucked up and you atomatically know my positions and views on the war and the economy and alan greenspan, your fucking talking about Cuba and how i listen to michael mooreand fat mike and this is the extent of my political knowledge. Your e

show rest of commentAll I said were people were fucked up you douche bag....just like you for blowing that one statement outta control and thinking what you typed. You dont think some peoples reason for for supporting bush are fucked up? Its just the same as some people reason for being against bush. There are almost 300 comments on here and your not gonna tell me most of them are just fucking stupid no matter what what you believe in or who you are. The other day on this site somebody posted a comment and then replyed to it 3 times having an arguement with themselves. That isn't fucked up? It happens all the time on this site. All I said were people were fucked up and you atomatically know my positions and views on the war and the economy and alan greenspan, your fucking talking about Cuba and how i listen to michael mooreand fat mike and this is the extent of my political knowledge. Your exact the the type of person im talking about...you are fucked up!

Toby, Thanks for straightening that out. It was just something I noticed. I hope it wasn't taken the wrong way. I like alot of those bands, and I'm still a fan of FAT. Thats cool that you called Bill Stevenson, he's been putting out some quality stuff as of late. You said only Denali was broken up. So Tilt is still together? That's be cool. In fact it would be really cool if you could give an update on some of the bands that seem to have dropped off the face of the earth. Like Diesel Boy, Rode Hard and Put Away Wet was an awesome album...then they just dissappeared. I emailed the fat mailbag and Floyd said they were on hiatus. It seems there are alot of good bands on hiatus...

Ben Weasel got an e-mail or phone call or something from FAT asking if he would support punkvoter, according to him at least. Unlike y'all he'd have no reason to lie, so unless you can disprove this, i'm inclined to believe him.

are you sure?

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SethCohen (August 18, 2004)

I'm pretty sure

I agree. It's amazing to me how many people assume that this is all some sort of trend. (I'm sure some DO view it as a bandwagon, but I would like to think that it goes beyond that for many.) I would just hope that a comp, tour, website, whatever such as this would just inspire people to look into what is happening in their country. People are going to vote how they vote. I just hope more people register, go out to vote, and make sure that their vote is an INFORMED one....

I heard that too

Your an asshole who doesn't know what your talking about. Why don't you research Bush rather than just saying whatever comes to mind. Bush is a great leader, did you forget about 9/11

moron

Are you being serious here?

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Someone (August 20, 2004)

i don't know i was pretty bored.

and back during the '96 election, someone might have cared!

yeah.. bring back the Nile fuckers!

AMEN!!

you are all phony posers who suck fat-cat american puds - stop whining like little fuck holes and get some education before you make our country look anyworse