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Published on June 21st 2002
So yeah…this is the semi-long awaited new studio NFG disc. In an interview not too long ago, the band promised that it would be a more mature effort than their self-titled turned out. Is it? Well, pretty much. The lyrics are a little more mature then on their previous disc, but there really aren’t any surprises with them. Don’t expect anything out of the ordinary with it. This disc is strictly for NFG fans; it won’t change your mind of the band if you hate them already. Even though the disc has a bit more intricate guitar lines, it lacks all of the solos or even complicated guitar lines from their first major label debut, “Nothing Gold Can Stay”. However, it’s really hard to deny the hook and energy that the disc has. For your mediocre pop-punk disc, it’s actually a pretty fun little guilty pleasure. Don’t expect something fully amazing though, but surprisingly it is a nice diversion. People who liked this also liked:           Please login or register to post comments. What are the benefits of having a Punknews.org account?
hit or miss was a good song some of their songs are okay even though i really dont like this genre of music. its decent OMG OMG OMG evil people I agree with comment below cuase NFG is so cool. BUT this album or shall i say band comes a littel after Alkaline Trio. I love you guys. They are so cool. I mean after a while his voice gets annoying but if you take a break its really good. Like This album is my favorite cuase the song Singled Out. LOVE IT. But everyone has there own thought so i respect that. Nothing gold can stay is a good album, but this is crap, and all goes downhill from there. acting like morons?! that is some funny shit i can't believe you just said 'first debut album'.. the cd is ok, but they have a pic of a couple of 12 year olds making out inside the cover. it just kills it. "Now, if you decide you have enough time and patience to sit through 20 something more minutes of it, you can hear the band act like morons at the end. They pretty much say stupid things like “There’s someone in your house….AHHHHH” and various other dumb things. It’s really not worth all the time to get to it though, so use your trusty fast forward trick if you must hear it." I really enjoyed nothing gold can stay, s/t got old real quick and I really agreee with this review. I think this cd was a disappointment even for nfg fans. even there self-titled one was poser shit This album is basically why I stopped liking this band. That and I got tired of their self-titled album. New Found Glory is one of the worst whining poser punk band out there. ...i actually meant to rate this album 3 stars, not 5. "This music is so cheesy. I dont know how anyone outside of high school can listen to this crap. Do we need any more ass-grabbin songs about immature relationships? WHaaah whhaan sob sniff.. my girlfreind broke up with me... im so sad... I see her at a party.... she kissed another guy... Im so jealous.... shut up pussy" i hate this album and i hate this band. that's the final word. out. ya there ok saw them in conceert before they were known they werent too bad but they dont impress me but im not going to critisize them them just because they arent the voids or anti-flag they have talent, its good stuff just not what im into this band is a fucking joke. i mean cheesy emo pop shit, and fat bass player who makes silly faces...umm, no thanks, i think i'll pass I have been trying to see what the big deal about this band is... ive really been trying like really hard ive been listening to their songs reading their lyircs and doing some research on them...and i just cant see the big thing about them i really cant... these guys blow... hardcore the only soong that is quite decent is Head on collision but the rest i just cant deal with... ive listened to so many of there songs and tried to comprehend why people like them. And i camt the conclusion that people like them because they want to be them because these guys do it for chicks nothing else not for the love of the music just chicks... and thats why half of the kids in my school are running around wearing T-shirts and covering there songs. Well i suggets all you new found glory fans fuck off... cuz they suck. i hate new found glory.. they do it for chicks... people are runnning aroun saying how good they are. they arent good. i wish they would just go away forever i really hate them a lot. "also, u make fun of emo because it is just some shity boy band that sings abut girls and such. well who fucking cares, its not their fault that they are not homos that dont get girlfriends and sit and listen to crap that is dead while thinking how cool it is that they are an outcast and that they will never stop being an "old school punker" even though they just started listening to that music last week "this goes out to all you old school punkers It actually DID change my mind about them. I've hated these guys for a long time. This CD in general is shit. All their other stuff i can DEAL with This music is so cheesy. I dont know how anyone outside of high school can listen to this crap. Do we need any more ass-grabbin songs about immature relationships? WHaaah whhaan sob sniff.. my girlfreind broke up with me... im so sad... I see her at a party.... she kissed another guy... Im so jealous.... shut up pussy. this goes out to all you old school punkers This is a kick ass album with songs that are fuckin catchy as hell. They are gonna be big. Their song writing has definately matured. The only thing I don't like is how other people are trying to be like them. I just don't understand ... I'm 33 years old, listening to punkrock for something like 20 years now ... am I the only person around who loves all these bands that have been mentioned here? I like NFG, Dashboard Confessional, Saves The Day as much as I like NOFX, Black Flag, Anti-Flag, Bad Religion, Thursday and everything that is supposed to sound cool for any of the parties here ... "u little kids don't know anything- politics should be burned it only causes bullshit- in a world without bullshit there are no problems. Everything would be straight, decisive and brutal- the weak would be forced to get stronger and the ignorant would be killed." NOFX is pretty easy compared to led zeppelin, radiohead, metallica. Most punk is easy comparitive to bands like these. Thats all I'm saying u little kids don't know anything- politics should be burned it only causes bullshit- in a world without bullshit there are no problems. Everything would be straight, decisive and brutal- the weak would be forced to get stronger and the ignorant would be killed. anarchy and punk? hahahahahaha ahem well when i was 13 (no offense to the 13 year old friends out there, it's just a number) i used to think that if you want to be punk, you have to believe in anarchy. hahahahahaha uhuk ahahaha. anarchism is a serious way of thinking. it is much more than just some "over rebellious" kid spouting rhetoric. it's a philosophy that's been explored and examined for hundreds of years by everyone from emma goldman to noam chomsky. it's much more complicated then the simple "fuck the system! smash the government! destroy everything!" nonsense. real anarchy is essentially very much in the vein of socialism and marxism. of course, there are about a million different mutations and branches of "anarchy", so there isn't necessarily s simple explanation of it. but the most popular form seems to be the anarcho-socialism approach. its the 5 yr old again, not to be confused with other anonymous posters. There are anrchists who arent 23 yr old punks. If you type in "objections to Anarchism" in a search engine, you'll find this page which is actually VERY(well to me) intelligently argued. Anarchists arent neccesarily associated with punk. Theres old guys with grey beards too. The page is really good reading. And i do think anarchism is a liitle too far, but at least they aint servile flatterers, at least their opent o the fact that this capitalist system is serving a very small minority, and some of the things that serve them just happen to coincide with our needs, but not all time. And untill the people rule i will not be happy. We are not living in a democracy. And to support that double poster i will double post this post. The ignorant unite. am i lame? yes. its the 5 yr old again, not to be confused with other anonymous posters. There are anrchists who arent 23 yr old punks. If you type in "objections to Anarchism" in a search engine, you'll find this page which is actually VERY(well to me) intelligently argued. Anarchists arent neccesarily associated with punk. Theres old guys with grey beards too. The page is really good reading. And i do think anarchism is a liitle too far, but at least they aint servile flatterers, at least their opent o the fact that this capitalist system is serving a very small minority, and some of the things that serve them just happen to coincide with our needs, but not all time. And untill the people rule i will not be happy. We are not living in a democracy. And to support that double poster i will double post this post. The ignorant unite. am i lame? yes. And just for the record using fuckin multiple times in a post doesn't show your pissed or mad it shows your ignorant. Thats exactly the bias I'm talking about. Saying liberals are middle of the road and want it both ways. I think are government needs about equal amount of representation from all parties, so they can put checks and balances on eachother to keep it legal and fair. Sorry if I insulted you, and I think its great you read but not everyone is as informed like you. Thats all I was saying. On a side note anarchy is for over rebellious people who are ungrateful for all the things we get in the US. i agree with some points of anarchist theory. some of you really need to read up on this stuff. i believe there needs to be a reduction of power, not a complete elimination of it. complete and undiluted nihilistic anarchism is not what we want people. you think you are oppressed now, wait until every form of protection we take for granted is taken away. the thugs with the biggest weapons and the biggest numbers will rule. famine, violence, and terror ensue. not many of today's "anarchists" actually believe that the total destruction of organization and rules will work. you pretty much only hear that shit from some dumbass pseudo-anarchist trying to show how punk he is. yo man, relax. It just souded like a pissed off comment. yo man, relax. It just souded like a pissed off comment half joking. In the miidst of a somewhat intellegent debate about politics (which I dont know why its on an NFG thread anyway) comes just the comment I expected out of a wannabe anarchist punk. Something about break the system fuck it all we dont need it. Every country in the world needs a system of government. everything our country thrives on comes from a system of government that, while it may not be the best, works just the way we need it to. National security, put together by the government. Welfare programs, put together by the government (I personally disagree with the current state of welfare in our country but a lot of you "punks" seem to think we need it). All foreign trades that bring new technologies to our coutry in attempt to make something work better come from our government. Yea it may be a government that is based on wealth and greed but its a government that is, right now, keeping the best country in the world alive. 3rd parties have even become more of a prominent idea in our society these days. Ralph Nader and Ross Perot in recent years have taken a higher percentage of votes than any 3rd party candidate ever dreamed of taking. The biggest joke for a governor ever, Jesse Ventura, is a 3rd party elect. While there may be plenty of things wrong with out form of government tell me why we need to get rid out of... why fuck the system... why break it down? A system that is keeping you alive and healty, a system that is keeping everyone in country in a state of protection after serious terrorist attacks and threats. Whats wrong with that?I am sick of trying to convince people to give up on their "punker than thou" attitude and forget about bashing these pop-punk bands that keep popping up. You arent going to stop them, they have no chance of being stopped until the fad goes away. Give it all up. As soon as the fad goes away they will no longer be there to do whatever it is that is offending you so much. Give up it. tgarn,It is me, the 5 yr old. What's this constant gibber about bands being liberals. Liberals are the kind of people who want it both ways. They want to carry on the bombing, but they dont want to hurt anyone. Wars are ok, as long as not too many people die. Why do you have to keep on putting yourself on a pedestal and degrading my comments by saying bratty things like i watch darma and greg for info. Isnt darma and greg a cartoon. I dont know. OOhh, your so smart, your the only person who likes punk who reads books aswell. "good album, shitty review from a shitty fan" i bought their first CD back whenever it came out(first LP I mean). Its good, but I'm not going to listen to this now. Too many people from my town listen to it, I just don't want to be like them, I want to be different. That's why I listen to the Hippos never. I listen to a lot of CODESEVEN and LEWIS. I also really like the soundtrack to THE JACKAL, I always crank that shit in my 2002 Chevy Blazer who cares about republicans or democrats- break it down- kill politics- destroy the system, just break it- we don't need it To think these discussions erupt in a NFG thread. Very nice You make some good points, its nice to see someone debate and have it be relevant, but come on a lot of people don't know these bands are liberal. In fact out of the small percentage of people that vote 70% of them dont know the difference between a republican and a democrat I agree with waste elite, I said JUST TRY TO GET THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE ALL POLITICAL BANDS ARE LIBERAL. And to the person below me I named liberal bands not conservative. Do you know the difference between the two? The tv news also has a liberal bias, so you don't get the other side from watching. Maybe your problem is watching too much tv, so while your watching Greg and Dharma for your info I'll read a book. Everytime I go to a concert I see mostly poser kids jumping on the latest bandwagon, and honestly I know a lot of people that are not to smart and these punk bands are the only exposure they get to politics, SO JUST TO RE EXPLAIN i SAID JUST GO AND LEARN ABOUT THE CONSERVATIVE ARGUMENT, LEARN WHAT THE NAZIS THINK, FIND OUT ABOUT THE GREEN PARTY, JUST LEARN IN GENERAL. But I quess its punk to be stubborn and to think that the government is evil and so are republicans. tgarn, when youre 14, your able to disagree or agree with ideas your are confronted with. I meant young as in very young. And i am 5 years old, so your riducule is acurate. of course you aren't going to find any conservative punk bands (unless you count nazis). punk is the antithesis of conservatism. the two have almost nothing in common. and who the hell wouldn't know bands like anti-flag and propagandhi aren't liberal.come on man, they pretty much exist solely to spread the far left's message. they aren't trying to "fool" anyone, they are pretty straight forward about it. it's not brainwashing. brainwashing is the american media. if anything, these bands encourage kids to question what they've been told. to not be complacent. to learn about the world around them. pretty much every political band in existence encourages kids to go out and educate themselves. why is that brainwashing. of course political bands are one sided. everyone is one sided politically (unless you're apolitical). it's called having an opinion. what the hell would be the point of a political band that stands directly in the middle. the whole reason the majority of these bands exist is to spread the message. call it brainwashing, they are just trying to make kids think. if you want brainwashing, go watch the news. Political punk is the best, it's good though- IT'S BETTER THAN THIS POOR EXCUSE FR MUSIC AND EXPRESSION ANY DAY!!!!! "Brainwashing with ideoligies and ideas starts when from when you a young, and comes from your suuroundings, not from three dicks in a punk band." A ridiculus thing to say, seeing that half the people that listen to these bands are 14. So are you saying once you pass a certain age no NEW ideas can be recieved? Well thats how it came out. But obviously thats how it worked for you because apparently you've got the intellect of a five year old. Reading and comprehension people, thats all I ask for. I SAID thats fine to listen to these bands just try to get the other side. I just went to the warped tour and three bands just went off on republicans saying they were "fascists" And I don't know if you've been to a warped tour lately but its full of impressionable sheep that believe anything they say. I've never once heard a conservative sided punk band, or any kind of band ever. I'll just name all the liberals: anti flag, propagandhi, pennywise, strike anywhere, system of a down, rage, pearl jam, nofx, andgood riddance. Name one conservative minded band, thats right dipshit there isn't one. And most people don't even realize or identify these groups as liberal because they sure as hell dont identify themselves as that. S good album, shitty review from a shitty fan well tgarn, name a political punk band that isnt "biased". Bias isnt the right word. They have an opinion. "they are all very one sided liberal soap boxes". Well if they werent one-sided,they'd sing about burning the flag on one song, then praise the government on another song. And their not brainwashing kids(although the world would be better off if they did). Brainwashing with ideoligies and ideas starts when from when you a young, and comes from your suuroundings, not from three dicks in a punk band. And even if you do think they have a biased agenda, what is that agenda? Fighting for the truth and justice? Then that "agenda" is prefered to the "agenda" of the mass media, to me. FUCK THE GOVERNMENT! THEIR FUCKIN EVERYONE!FFFFFUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK!!!! I like the review a few posts down, well said. I'll tell you the problem with all these politic-punk bands, they are all very one sided liberal soap boxes used to brainwash young impressionable teenagers to think the way they do. Don't get me wrong I like a lot of political bands but they have a biased agenda just like americas news media. Listening to these bands is fine, but find the other side of the story and different views via reading "Anyone ever notice how the bands that everyone loves to hate and make fun of get the most views and comments on their reviews?" jee that was real biased :P I'm gonna give it a fair, unbiased review now- not opinionated. Here's a list of pros and cons- Cons- 1.) Very Unoriginal, it soundsl ike every other pop punk band- and weather you like it or not it is very uninspired and tired, 2.) The singers voice sounds very screechy and whinney like he never reached puberty and it can be very annoying, but if you like it.........hey! 3.) WAY too sappy, not a hint of dark undertones or messages- just staright pop teeny bopper crush songs made for kids by guys who wish they were kids. 4.) And finally- poor musicianship, these guys make no attempt to get crazy with their guitars or inventive- it's just the same ol' crap- obviously made for a profit, nothing more. Pros- 1.).............................................................. ..................................------SORRY GUYS, BUT THERE JUST AREN'T ANY!! "u know nothing about except what some fucks tell u in their barely educated songs." umm i still live with my parents but i dont care about offending them. You freaks when you get old you think that all the young kids have to be pushed out of your exclusive club :P. j/k bronco bill. Anyway as for hard and soft music, thats a fucked point to make and the person is real oblivious to an individuals musicals taste making them biased to a type of music with more chord formations. Such as this guy allans holdsworth......hes like the best guitarist ever, but i think he sux. He is boring to listen to. Then again lots of people would disagree with me. As for this new found glory shit, the songs about girls need to stop as they get very old unless your some love stricken teen to scared to talk to a girl because she may think your weird. Dont ask me why im reviewing here i just am. Just reiterating how ignorant the guy two posts down is. I've said it once, some of you need to quit head banging and you really need to work on your reading and comprehension. Calm down, just making a little point. And wouldnt you say Korn is harder than NFG? Thats the point I was making. And I have no idea why people take this shit so personnal. This jackass acted like I just raped his mother and stole his so treasured virginity KORN isn't a hard band you idiot- they are fucking skinny pussys as well. They are like a nike sponsered wannabe joke metal group- they are about as much a joke as their even dumber sidekicks limp biscuit. If you think this is "hard" music then you haven't heard "hard" music. I didn't know we had the music God here telling us what isn't music. Im not a nfg fan, I liked some stuff on ngcs, but come on its still music dipshits. So is Korn better becauase their so hard and tough? I'm not saying they aren't, but we shouldn't base good music on how much distortion they use or how much they hate the world. And down with the government, anarchy i agree with what u mean, lots of their fans do lean towards the just-got off the baby formula-age, doesn't mean if someone else likes them it's a sin...and i hope that job comment was for them, not me...i know i gotta get a real one, but my part time thing is holding up for now. adios. I say kill osama and kill bush- both are pieces of shit!!!!!!! Of course- to the guy 3 posts down- see, these are the only people who listen to NFG- people who still live with their parents and worry about "offending" them- go get a job kid! I agree...........I hope NFG sees these and kill themselves- that would be the most emotionally intense thing they could ever do- and the most pleasing for us Enough with the bullshti- this band sucks- they have NO talent, NO originality, WIMPY music, TERRIBLE lyrics, it all sound the same, the guys voice sounds just like the guy from Blink, Somethibng Corporate, Sum 41, etc. etc., doesn't mattaer if this is punk or not- it's just bad music, there is plenty of soft and melodic music that is good- but this fuckin' crap isn't it!!!! This not music- this is a tool for money and it grabs the ears of 12- 14 year olds who haven't yet finished puberty and only think about what the radiop tells them too. Do you think these guys are passionate about music? HELL NO! There is no anguish or intense heartbreaking pain in their so called "love songs"- it's just poppy, annoying bullshit. NUFF SAID!!! I always feel when someone calls something a "guilty pleasure," it's a nice-looking way of saying "I like this but don't want to be ridiculed for liking it." The Al Qaeda rock NFG when planning out terrorist strikes. It's true. He went to school with anti-flag, genius, not NFG. i'm back, same guy as the quote just below, i'm sorry i just don't think my response was very good , first off, go to propagandhi's website , read their news and opinions sections , read the articles, now read their songs again and then tell me about their lyrics . to the guy below who wrote about propaghandi and their barely educated shit, hahahahah, there is really nothing i can say to reflect how retarded that quote was, but what's even worse you're saying while talking about nfg!!!! hahahahahahahah oh boo hoo none of the wannabe punks that populate these pussy boards like these guys. so fucking what. go listen to your propaghandi bullshit and bitch about the govt. u know nothing about except what some fucks tell u in their barely educated songs. by the way, i went to highschool w/ anti flag. 'mt. lebonon hs in pittsburgh, PA' and they were about as nonpunk as u can get. they are very wealthy,from a upper middle class white suburb. just like me,but i don't front like they do. they thought punk was cool, so they started a band, and started buying punk clothes. at least nfg doesnt front like they do.u guys have no fucking brains. research your shit. People like to talk shit and argue. Anyone ever notice how the bands that everyone loves to hate and make fun of get the most views and comments on their reviews? the trendy kids in my grade at school wear NFG sweatshirts. The day i see them wearing propagandhi sweatshirts im gonna shoot myself. oh yeah, and from what I've read, Pat41 is a fucking douchebag. As far as good love songs how bout "my favorite chords" by the weakerthans, damn, thats a fucking amazing depiction of what love is really like. NFG sounds very derivitive to me and very boring. I watched about 2 songs of theirs at warped and decided I was getting a ear raping... so I left. amen to that Im sick of people saying "this is gay" "emo sucks" "nfg are sissies." When are you going to realize that there are different types of music out there and different people like different things. That doesn't mean you can bash anything and everything you dont like. Yea, ok compared to Black Flag NFG is going to sound like sissies, but then to other people Black Flag will sound like just noise. I hope that you people can become a little more open-minded and realize that there are different types of music that serve different kind of purposes and appeal to different kinds of people. Can't anybody give a better reason why saves the day and dashboard suck other than the fact their "wimpy" And the reason everyone has respect for the Ramones because they were one of the first if not THE first to do the punk thing. NFG just jumped on a trendy bandwagon. But bash all you want because they are "wimpy" Hey guys, we're forgeting this band is about be "sensitive" and "caring " and stuff................HA!! Yeah, I'll be sensitive while I pound your fucking face and ripping your guts out kiddies- Black Flag rules! THEY DON'T CONFORM!?!?!?!? YOU FUCKING IDIOT!!!! This band is all about conformity- fucking little kids don't know what music is about. Die already. These musically iliterate bastards should go walk off a cliff because they sound just like "Something Corporate", "Blink 182", "Sum 41", etc. etc. etc.- there isn't a band on the planet that sounsds klike Black Flag my friend- these pussys can't make music, their vocals are whinney and annoying and he cries klike a little girl. LOVE SONGS?????????????? These aren't love songs, these are songs about girls rehashed from for little teeny boppers l;ike yourself from everyother pop release. Some real love songs would be "Sistinas" by Danzig, "Summer Nights" by Rollins, "Stand By Me", I don't remember that older bands name(not the PW version)- you know, some bands with a little balls and variation- not bands that sound like 12 year old boys with no testosterone whinning about some 12 year old girl. Maybe when grow up a little you'll realize- and if you are grown up i feel terribly sorry for you! >i got into nfg when they played with hc bands. things have changed but they can still make a catchy song the person below me says that the music is wimpy. May I ask why? Is it because they are so blatent in their song's intent. That a love song is a ballad and not screaming with distorted guitars to hide the off-key moments? That they don't conform to what we think they should sound like? That they dare to be different not because they are hoping we like it but that we understand it? If you don't like it, fine. But if you criticize (or however you spell that word) then use a point of reference so we know what you are comparing to. Because if you try comparing dashboard and tool, then no shit you'll think they suck. It has nothing to do with them being on MTV or being popular you morons!!!! It's just that their music sucks- punk or not- the music is juist fuckin' wimpy!! hmmm, i wasn't logged in. that was sockk when people say that dashboard confessional and saves the day are going to save rock and/or roll, i like to put in my opinion. I really really like this album. It is getting me incredibly pumped to see them August 15 at Warped tour. This is the first album i bought that I liked this much since mudvayne. I think this is a much more mature album for NFG track numbers 1-4 are incredible and I love #10 (even though it has a shitty intro). I only have a few questions for the people who post on this comment board shitting on dashboard confessional and saves the day. How come before they got popular and started being played on MTV and stuff we all praised them as innovative and original bands but now we shit on them just like you do to NFG, blink 182, and good charlotte and sum 41 and all those kinds of bands. My other question is... WHY DO YOU FUCKING CARE. just dont listen to it. who cares if it is ruining the image of punk or whatever. they image of punk went out in the early 80's. People now dress the part but the attitude is not alive. If you were so "punk" you wouldnt care about these bands that you hate. You would accept them for what they are and pass them off as something you dont care to think about. Just because you dont like something doesnt mean it is automatically horrible and it also doesnt mean it takes no talent to play. Any instrument takes talent. I try to play drums, I have no talent and I sounds horrible. My brother however has talent and can sound incredible when behind a drum set. Guitar is the same way... I have tried to play guitar and can get a few chords out but nothing like NFG can play while it isnt breathtaking it does still take some talent. What ever happened to music being music once in a while instead of it always having to be art. Sometimes I just want to listen to something that is simple. Sometimes I want to listen to something innovative and original.and another thing... if bands like NFG and blink and others are so bad because they all play the same kind of music explain why the ramones are hailed as punk gods even though all of their songs are played with 3 chords and half of them sounds incredibly the same with different lyrics. I am not saying I hate the ramones... its just the opposite I think the ramones are awesome but why are we all so hypocritical.-pat41 I dont care what anybody says. This cd is damn good. Not punk? Well i dont give a shit, if I like the music that`s what counts. It's catchy as hell and Bane does background vocals. It kicks ass. Who cares the elitist piece shit people who complain all the fucking time i got into nfg when they played with hc bands. things have changed but they can still make a catchy song Yeahm, Black Flag fuckin' rules- Rollins tears shit up and I wish there was a punk band around now that could match that guys intensity- I was at the Warped Tour last year in NY and Rollins leveled the place and made every other band on the teeny bopper warped tour bill look like 12 year old girls- it's pretty sad when a 41 year old guy is in better shape and has 10 million times more energy than guys who are 20- just shows you that these new pussys would be eaten' alive at a Flag show! Black Flag is my favorite band of all time and some of their stuff is punk- like Damaged, but it's more hardcore. Then the rest of Black Flag's albums like the awesome "My War" and "In My Head" are a hybrid of dark metal, hardcore and blues- which in my opinion is better than anything that has come out in the past 10 years. black flag isn't punk? coulda fooled me, "damaged" is one of the best punk/hardcore albums ever. and to the guy that shitted on them for the song "tv party". i'm pretty sure that song was making a mockery of people who waste away in front of the television not a genuine celebration of television. the cover looks like a fucking abercrombie and fitch shopping bag Yet again I am misunderstood by ignorant know it alls. I didnt say black flag was a punk band I said they INFLUENCED punk, theres a big difference. Just like weezer isnt punk or emo but they influenced both genres. So how about you guys work on your reding and comprehension skills then write derogatory remarks about me. Why is that girl raping the guy on the cover??!! Selling your record for virtually nothing at Best Buy will get you to #4 pretty quickly. 'But NFG must be doing something right to have gotten to #4 on the Billboard top 200....' I didn't go to warped tour last time (In Australia) because there were heaps of shitty bands playing, including this band. "And that guy who said go listen to Nofx for good music is a jackass, they have turned into your standard three chord pop punk band." Black Flag is the best group ever- and they weren't really even punk buddy a few posts down! what i don't get about this cd is why bane, what feeds the fire, matt skiba, and dan andriano are doing singing back-up. I mean i can understand the last two, seeing as alkaline trio and nfg toured together, but how did bane and what feeds the fire get suckered into appearing on this album? NFG arent really that bad, they just arent really punk either. They are way more power pop than pop punk. Pop punk is bands like Screeching Weasel, The Queers, Descendents, even NOFX... WHO KOWWS WHY THOUGH? IS IT ME? Black Flag is so emotional!! I saw their music video for a song I believe was called TV. It was about him and his friends watching Tv, I almost cried it was so full of emotion. I'm not saying black flag sucks, and they did do a lot for punk, but I'm saying they arent that emotional. Energy should not be mistaken for emotion. "If this album didnt suck, it would probably be alright. I don't understand why bands like NFG are making millions on MCA, while good pop punk bands like Cadilac Blindside are on Fuled By Ramen living in a van by the river. The reason people who don't like pop-"punk" bands discuss them on this site is because they are an infringement upon the idie scene. To even mention the term "punk" in the same sentence as New Found Glory is a travesty. Despite the fact that the scene has become saturated with mediocre, wannbe mainstream music, it still lives. The backlash against these so called pop-"punk" band is proof of such. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with bands such as NFG searching for fame and fortune. I do have a problem with them and their fans making a mockery of the indie scene. However, one can take solice in young bands such as strike anywhere and thrice perserving the scene through their passionate, honest, and energetic music. Much in the same vein as Bad Religion, Social Distortion, the Vandals, and later bands such as Nofx, Rancid, Lagwagon, Strung Out, Good Riddance, ect... I think this cd is pretty damn good actually. It's gotta be their best so far and it's def. more mature sounding. They may not be the most talented around but the cd is good. And for those that come on bashing the band and all the crap about not listening to pop punk... how come you waste your time discussing these type of bands then. It seems to me that you give way too much thought about them for not liking them. Thanks and Have a great day! This message board does nothing but depress me. i rule personally im not into this whole pop punk thing but i can say that this review sucked as it seemed as if he purposley tried to find errors in the songs to exploit. i dont like it much but i hated the review......in other news ill compare them to a band totally opposite of the style ala black flag to look even punker by saying "jee this isnt even punk but ill compare it to black flag to show how un punk it is." lets compare nelly and nirvana now every1. as a group anyone else think the lead singer looks like a cross between david silver and quentin tarentino? just a thought. i saw these guys a couple years ago with saves the day and face to face and they seemed to have plenty of energy. however, that didn't translate to a good performance overall. i gave this album a listen b/c ngcs for some reason struck a chord with me when it first came out on an indie. since then their releases have done nothing for me, especially the cover album. i'm 24 years old. i'm too old for bands that sing mainly about girls. this record just didn't do it for me. just an opinion. as for saves the day and dashboard saving rock and roll. wrong. i will. ha, ha. 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