if you aren't jamming to every song on this record you are dead

this album just f*cking rocks,
i've been a fan for almost a year now,
and they still rock as much as the first time i've heard them,
i've seen them four times now and let me tell you;
they are defenitly the best live band i've ever seen and ever will see...

greats

"Speaking of Celtic-ish music, what about the Real McKenzies? Not Irish, but Canadian-Scottish, damn good I might add."

I hear ya. Check them out.

I just picked up this CD.. Pretty decent.

Peace,
-SOYBOMB-

It's true. The Real Mackenzies are pretty galdarn good. Their bagpiping is rivaled by no other.

i just saw flogging molly yesterday at the warped tour. Awesome, they were the best band up there.

What a great disc! A very catchy album and it sounds very good with a beer. Flogging Molly isn't a moshing band like American Nightmare or bands like that but... they're fucking punk anyway! Drunken Lullabies is fucking great!

If the rest of the CD is as good as "Rebels of the Sacred Heart," (I know it from the Warped '01 CD) then I'll definitely buy it, plus they were pretty cool when I saw them at Warped '02.

Speaking of Celtic-ish music, what about the Real McKenzies? Not Irish, but Canadian-Scottish, damn good I might add.

Spicy doesnt actually wear his kilt out in public... he doesnt however do it as a gimmick. I have heard from many bagpipers in my town and other towns around me that they kind of have an unwritten rule book. I guess being a bagpiper is kind of a brotherhood and they all have such respect for the instrument and the other people playing it. I have heard that wearing a kilt when you play the pipes is one of those unwritten rules of the bagpipe brotherhood... kind of silly if you ask me but I guess you have to play to get it. (even jonathan davis in korn wears one when he plays.... such a shitty band but just another example). As for Blood and Whiskey, they definitley kick some major ass. I saw them about a year and a half ago Id say and they definitley rocked. No better than DKM or FM but definitley worth checking out if you like FM and DKM. -pat41

Best Irish/Celtic/Punk band in my opinion: Blood Or Whiskey. Check em out if you haven't already. And personally, I like DKM better than Flogging Molly... but I'm looking forward to seeing them at Warped. Who knows, maybe they'll change my mind.

Best Boston band:Mighty Mighty Bosstones

Solid album, nothing stands out, but I can listen to it beginning to end and enjoy it greatly.

Now for my gripe....best Boston band ever? Raise your hand if you know who Thumper is...and then kill yourself if you think they aren't the greatest thing to come out of the entire US since Ron Jeremy. Even though they are broken up. Oh well.

I repsect your opinions and Dropkick Murphys, sort of, but one thing that gets to me is Spicy McHaggis wearing a kilt. Talk about a gimmick. If he wears a kilt out in public normally, than I take it back, but I guarantee you he doesn't. I still respect Matt and Ken. I think they should play more old stuff at their shows too. I saw them twice and got mostly new stuff. And, personally, I don't think FMis faking or exagerrating anything. But, that's just my opinion

OK, so DKM hasnt lived up to what you had enjoyed before. Maybe its close minded-ness, maybe its because of conflicting musical taastes who cares. What I say is that DKM are an extremely talented band... Spicy McHaggis can play the fucking bagpipes like no one else I have ever heard... Joe Delaney was ok but if you actually heard him play live he wasnt too impressive. I have never heard Spicy miss a note when he plays live. Ken Casey is still fucking great and Matt Kelly is (like I said before) quite possibly the best punk drummer we have these days (with the exception of Travis Barker). As for the whole Al Barr situation, I agree and disagree. For traditional DKM reasons he doesnt fit, Scottish but looks kinda of Italian if you ask me, but I have to say that, even though I think Do or Die was a fucking amazing album I like the sound of Al Barr's voice much better than I likes Mike McColgan's. Plus now without Mike Ken gets to show off his very distinct voice (which I like a fucking lot... Dirty Glass is all I have to say). I definitley think that Flogging Molly is a very good band... I dont think they have anything on DKM or ever will but still I have to say that they do get the Irish thing going pretty well. I also do know that they are not from Ireland, like was posted before, they do come from California but the Irish accent, no matter how exxagerated for gimmick purposes, is real. The best thing DKM has on Flogging Molly is not trying to be so Irish that its hard to believe anymore. Their music reflects their what they love, their home, their family, and their heritage. Just wait until the next album comes out and nobody can stop talking about their new song, Black Velvet Band... fucking amazing I heard it acoustic on their set on WBCN and it was fucking flawless. And whatever that new song they played was during their sets on St Patricks Day weekend... it just tells us how great the new album is going to be. Just wait till it is released later this year... it will put any negative opinions to rest.

fuck flogging molly they fucking suck. they totally ripped of the pogues. the lead isn't even from ireland regardless of what you may have heard. they are all from mother fucking los angeles. fuck flogging molly. fuck them in the ass. they are shitty.

DKM always jokes on NY whenever they're over here...

Peace,
-SOYBOMB-

Calm down. First of all, I'm not saying the DKM are bad because they have more members, but they have 4 for how many years, and all of a sudden they are a completely different band. I'm all for growing musically but, to me, DKM growth was forced. It just happened too fast. And what they do now sucks anyway, musically. I wouldn't care if it was good. To their credit, they did do some songs like that before like Far Away Coast which is a great song. But, as far as I'm concerned when Al came in, it all went downhill, and kept going downhill when everyone else came in. You should know that DKM used to be one of my favorite bands. On a DKM shirt I have, it says Boston Punk Rock. That's what they were so great at, and that's what I loved them for. They are totally different now. And Flogging Molly's style is not forced at all. They've always had the same style. If Flogging Molly started doing all punk and it was bad, I'd feel the same way about them as I now do about DKM.Your thoughts Pat?

You have to understand that there is different kinds of "irish things" as you so "intellegently" put it. Anyway... yea you have the often times cheesy sing-along irish pub songs.. which flogging molly's music is most of the time. And there is also the softer emotional irish pride songs that dropkick murphys does most of the time (dirty glass, wheel of misfortune, far away coast, caught in a jar). Granted, both bands do dip into both types. People say that DKM pushes the "irish thing" too much whil trying to still be a punk band but Flogging Molly does it much worse. Too many people in the dropkick murphys??? guess what Flogging Molly has the same amount... 7. Right now, I will not say which group is better, everyone is entitled to their own opinion on which one is better... that will neverbe determined... I just get pissed off when people bash the dropkick murphys for doing the same thing that flogging molly is dong while they praise flogging molly.-pat41

Flogging Molly blows DKM away, by far. DKM was great once, but when Mike and Rick left, so did the good music. They had 4 guys playing good punk, now they got like 10 guys playing crap.To me, they are really forcing this Irish stuff. On the other hand, Flogging Molly do it to perfection. Theyare quickly becoming one of my favorite bands. Drunken Lullabies so far is my favorite album of the year. And, since Rancid probably won't be releasing a full length this year, it will most likely be my favorite album of the year.

Jeez....who cares if music is unoriginal these days. I mean c'mon seriously, how many bands to you see come around like DKM or flogging molly compared to blink and everything else these days. Just be gratefull that you get to hear bands like these. Either way, punk rock is great fucking music.

I wasn't ever trying to prove you wrong.

I just took your last two posts the wrong way I suppose. I mean they gave me the impression that you were mad that modern music is no longer original, and I was pointing out (obiously re-iterating what you said) that music hasn't had an original sound for hundreds of years. I guess we're in even more agreement than we thought, if you think that the people that get angry at the unoriginality of modern music are stupid.

My bad.

cheers.

if we're fighting ignorance of music, lets BOMB vh1 for waying that madness (even tho i LOVE them with all my heart) created ska during the No Doubt behind the music.

yeah, most people besides those in Mass and those of us OBSESSED with boston would know quincy, braintree, rozzy, etc..

So again, he agrees with me. I am not trying to be mean to you. I am just saying that whenever you try to prove me wrong by saying something about my opinion on originality is wrong you are giving points that I already have or you are taking what I said the wrong way. I never said anything about being pissed off because nothing is original. What I was pissed off at was the people that get pissed off that nothing is original. Thats kind of confusing but I think you can get the point. I know that nothing has been original for a long long time... and I accept that. Not all music has to be smart and thought provoking (as I said in my defense for Andrew WK... who isnt really that good anyways but still needs some defending against ignorant punks). I just dont think Flogging Molly deserves all the credit they are being given. I read a review of the Flogging Molly album in some national magazine ( I cant remember with one) and they credited them with defining the sound of irish mixed with punk... ignorance like that makes me mad. I just wish that people would realize that ska punk has been around way before DKM and Flogging Molly even came about, but credit is due to both of those bands.-pat41 (aka patMurphy... bitch)PS I know they are from Quincy, actually Ken Caseys parents used to live right near my grandmother before she moved into an old folks home. I just say boston because who is going to know where the hell quincy is if they are not from MA.

Pat-

Of course I agree with you. The difference between our posts is that you said "Hardly anything being released now is original." Things haven't been orifinal forever, t has nothing to do with the recent years.

The other big difference is that you seem incredibly pissed off about music being unoriginal, when in reality, it never really was. good? yes. Original? No.

But I am all for DKM, Flogging Molly and any other band that I like the sound of. I don't try to go aorund alanlyzing who did what first, it's a pointless thing to get riled up about. Just enjoy the music, and if you don't like it, or fid it too unoriginal, don't listen to it.

Now, with the mindset that no music (r very little of it anyways) is not original, I would consider FM (and DKM for tha metter) "original" in the sense that their style of punk/irish has no real title, it doesn't fit into any of the major molds of music (punk, ska, hardcore, emo, classical, jazz, etc.) and that it has a very distinctive sound, you can name the band right off the bat when you hear a song.

So the negative tone in my revious comment should be marked down a bit. I just think certain things are pointles to get pissed off about, and music and origianlity is one of those things.

PS: Boston is the best. We can agree on that.

PPS: technically they're not from Boston, they're from Quincy
;o)

i am just speaking from the multiple times i've met them
matt kelly rocks
but ome of the other members have been utter cocks to me, my friends, other people i know, smaller bands. being completely blown off isnt bad, but being treated like a 12 year old fan girl is quite obnoxious. and music IS a business. However, a GOOD music is also about heart and soul. Something I feel DKM lost when they lost Rick Barton. And if you read ANY interview with Barton, McColgan, or the original drummer (don't know his name) they'll tell you the same thing. Someone in the band wanted to go from being a down home band to a megastar. Which is fine. But then don't tell me that you're a fucking Oi Irish street punk with your all black clothes and your cell phone outside the Bad Religion concert in Boston throwing a fit cause youre not on the guest list.

But, having said that. That's MY experience and MY opinion. I could be wrong. I hope I am. I hope Ken remembers how to write a GOOD song on the next album. I hope that people like you are right. But if not, I'm not gonna tell you I told you so...just going to sit back, and listen to the bands that I KNOW have the heart and the soul that they claim to have.

why aren't you "patMURPHY" or "patDKM" then?

"Dude, music hasn't all been original forever. Even the old composers - Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Handel - all stole music from eachother. Music is universal adn so many styles work their way into eachother, it is impossible to have music that doesnt sound like some othe band, or have a similar tune to something. All music stems form the same original roots, with different influences. And god forbid some band makes some music that sounds kind of like some other band. It doesn't matter who came first, it doesn't matter who wrote what, cause they're all playing the same shit anyways, in their own ways."So basically what you are saying is you completely agree with me? I get itHere is my problem with what you all say is "wrong" with DKM. First of all "rockstars" is ANYTHING but the right thing to call them. Number 1... which rock star that you know has season tickets for a hockey team but they arent front row they are up in the balcony with the real fans. Number 2... How many rock stars that you know will walk around in their own city without a bodyguard on one of the most busiest days of the year. Number 3... how many rock stars do you know that allow their fans to jump on stage at any given time and for a closer allow just about the entire crowd jumps on stage and there is hardly enough room for them to play their instruments.Sounds like a fucking rock star to me..."Ken Casey makes it a business". THATS WHAT FUCKING MUSIC IS!! all music is part of the entertainment business. Flogging Molly is part of the business. "Does DKM make you want to get up and dance like Flogging Molly do?" Hell fucking no! But thats not what they set out to do. Flogging Molly wants the crowd to get into their show in a whole different way than DKM. DKM is rowdy, DKM is togetherness, DKM is drinking, DKM is brotherhood. I agree with SOYBOMB when he said that comment made me sound like a moron. It didnt exactly come out the way I wanted it to but thats the best way I can see to say it. I dont care how "down to earth" a guy is. WHY THE HELL SHOULDNT HE BE DOWN TO EARTH! Why are people always amazed when a rock star or movie star or something is "down to earth" why shouldnt they be down to earth. What do they have on us? All they have is their money and their popularity... neither of which makes them better than us. They should be down to earth. Its the fans that put them on a pedastal and worship everything they do.I will defend DKM to my death bed. the best band in the world from the best city in the world. -pat41

"Big D and the Kids Table is very good. Their new EP is fucking amazing but Good Luck wasnt that good. it was probably a 6/10 at best. The Dropkick Murphys have released 3 amazing albums and countless splits with legendary bands like Ducky Boys, The Bruisers, and Oxymoron among others. Doesnt logevity cound for anything to punks these days. Or does it always have to be the next big thing"

The next big thing? What are you talking about? And you knock Good Luck?
That album was fantastic. I could listen to that CD from start to finish without skipping one track. And the whole "Longevity count for anything to punks" comment was low. I don't consider myself a "punk" so there goes your bullshit theory.

Man..
That next big thing comment makes you look like such a jackass.

Peace,
-SOYBOMB-

i think that what makes flogging molly better than dkm is their melodies, beat, and pretty much anything else.
i mean, really, does dkm make you want to dance as much as flogging molly does?

-pat
i think that sum 41, blink 182, nfg suck. i also think that the ataris suck more than these bands (except for sum 41).
bleh.
ha! i disprove your rule!

punks aren't really like that. rancid and bad religion used to be on mtv, and they are both very respected.

Dude, music hasn't all been original forever. Even the old composers - Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Handel - all stole music from eachother. Music is universal adn so many styles work their way into eachother, it is impossible to have music that doesnt sound like some othe band, or have a similar tune to something. All music stems form the same original roots, with different influences. And god forbid some band makes some music that sounds kind of like some other band. It doesn't matter who came first, it doesn't matter who wrote what, cause they're all playing the same shit anyways, in their own ways.

Shut the fuck up.

DKM are assholes. Rockstar Fucks. If you want more, email me about it. They are good, but Ken has turned it into a business, and their last album really showed it, as they lost their heart and replaced it with fake songs of togetherness. Sorry, comparing DKM to FM is just flawed concept. As DKM lean towards irishness, but are mostly punk and FM are the opposite (more irish than punk). And honestly, Swingin UtterS comes closer to sounding like the Pogues than Flogging Molly does.

I've talked to Dave several times, and he celebrated Valentines Day with my Ex and I two years ago in columbus. He's one down to earth drunken fucker who deserves all he's gotten. The drummer is fucking amazing, as is the venerable (and not pompous rockstar) Matt Kelly.

And Big D is a band that is dear to my heart, and deserves so much more respect than they get.

basically, in closing.
Shut your holes. These bands play good music, and have little in common actually.

I know all about originality, and I know all about consistency with a drum beat. I drum myself, I am not good by any means, but I can keep a beat and the talent it takes to play most of the bass-snare-bass-snare drum beats in the majority of Flogging Molly's songs is very very simple. Originality my ass... Flogging Molly is doing the Irish punk thing that the dropkick murphys did first and the Pogues did before them and if you really want to argue about it the Pogues were ripping off the Clancy brother who were ripping off someone else who were ripping off someone else. Hardly anything being released now is original. Its not a bad thing at all to be unoriginal. Some music now is better than music that was coming out 5 years ago which is better than was coming out 5 years before that. Soon, when Flogging Molly becomes a popular band like the Dropkick Murphys, we will all think that the next irish punk band is doing it better than both of them. That just the way fucking punks think. The more underground a band is the better they are. People think the Ataris are a decent band, better than blink 182, sum 41 NGF and other because they arent on MTV. The Ataris suck big fucking balls. Flogging Molly are a decent band at best... nothing to get all excited over. People praise them, oh its so new and different for a band to mix celtic folk rock with punk rock but like I said before they are just ripping off a band that ripped off a band that ripped off a band and so forth. Big D and the Kids Table is very good. Their new EP is fucking amazing but Good Luck wasnt that good. it was probably a 6/10 at best. The Dropkick Murphys have released 3 amazing albums and countless splits with legendary bands like Ducky Boys, The Bruisers, and Oxymoron among others. Doesnt logevity cound for anything to punks these days. Or does it always have to be the next big thing.Then there is the punks that think everything new sucks and all the old stuff is the best music they have ever heard... The Velvet Underground, Black Flag, Dead Kennedy's, Bad Brains. All great bands but newer bands have definitley added to what they started and made it better.... fuck punks...

I love Flogging Molly, but how can anyone consider them a punk band?

Swagger is just a notch above Druken for the fact that is has the oh so popular CD opener "Salty Dog". If that song doesnt give you the urge to go crazy and dance your ass off, then nothing can (best if listened to live).

Pat41..

The best boston band is Big D And The Kids Table..

Though I think DKM has a great live show, and their music is decent, Big D is better.

Lets not argue about it.

Peace,
-SOYBOMB-

Its called originiality Pat. Yes, he is Irish,he speaks with the same harsh accent when you talk to him. Also, you don't have to play some off-tempo rudiments to be a good drummer, its more about fusing the sound and cohesion.

The singer IS actually Irish. His accent is kinda over the top though, like the snuff english one. I like it, the pogues gone a bit more punk

I dont see the big deal with Flogging Molly. They are an ok band with a good Irish sound to them but I just dont see waht puts them over the Dropkick Murphys. The drummer(who is VERY weak and repetitive in all of the tracks) does not compare to Matt Kelly (who I consider the best punk drummer out there... maybe other than Travis Barker)... The lead singer has an ok voice with a seemingly fake irish accent. Other than that I guess they are ok though. Everybody raves about how good this band is but its really nothing new at all... the only thing that has made this band good for me is the very energetic live performance... which again, I can catch with the Dropkick Murphys... the greatest boston band ever!-pat41

honestly, Flogging Molly is a band that MUST be seen live to be appreciated. Go see them on warped, then catch them in a dingy club (if it'll still be possible), and you'll see what I'm talking about. Or go get Alive Behind a Green Door (their REAL first cd, cause i'm oh so punk), it's live, and captures their spirit really well.

i agree, it is pretty stupid to always say "the old shit is better" regardless of the music in question, but in this case it's true. swagger was a much better album.

Not as a personal attack to the reviewer below, but I am sick and tired of all of these people who refuse to accept new music as good music. The old albums are always better according to everyone. Everyone needs to stop trying to act like they know so much more about the bands, take their heads out of their asses and accept the music with an open mind.

I love punk bands with these kind of different diversitys that make the music alot more interesting to listen to. Too many bands sound the same these days, but flogging molly keeps the the music more exciting and fun. I feel like doing a jig....

Swagger, their first cd, is ten times better.