In the new Alternative Press there is a little article about all the punk bands signing to majors this year. They have a quote from a major label guy saying something like "If your goal as a band isnt to sell a million records, then you should not be on a major label" there you go.

For a person who doesnt care about what people say or when they fuck with him, boston music pat 41 has sure posted often and in great amount about how he is not a possur and tried to explain away the 41 refferance, although i dont think basketball will win you any fans in punk, also just cause you live close to a city and you love does not make you from that city. I live near St Louis and i love that city, but i dont consider my self from it, or would include it in my name on a website.

Good review, it got to the point of the CD

ps: Boston Rocks. (shut all your holes)

hey bostonmusicguy/pat41- how can you be all about boston.. when that city has pretty much outlawed 'all ages' shows?!

secondly- have you ever lived in (or in your case, near) another major city?!
boston is an alright town to visit on occasion but everything closes super early and 18 shows suck!

cities better than boston:
new york
toronto
montreal
chicago
philadelphia

this has nothing to do with sports so dont take it there okay?!

-bostonsux

Even worse: Theory of a Deadman. Anyone heard these guys yet? Everyone keeps talking about how they are the biggest "buzz" band right now. Complete and utter crap. Sounds exactly like Days of the New which sounds exactly like Creed who try to sound exactly like Pearl Jam. How the fuck can there be a "buzz" about a band that sounds like a million other bands? God damn. When will the madness ever end? Oh yeah Puddle of Pisss sucks too. Thanks a lot Fred Durst. Like we didn't hate you enough before you unleashed that crapp on us. Die Die Die...

puddle of mudd is quite possibly the worst band ever. why the fuck does everyone try to sing like eddie vedder?

corporate rock must die

That new Puddle of Mudd song is crap. It is like watered down Sugar Ray. That's right, Sugar Ray.

Don't worry, ****looks at watch***, their 15 minutes are almost up.

In other MTV news: Anyone seen the new Puddle of Crapp video? I'm not positive but I think one of the guitar players or maybe bass (not sure, wasn't really paying attention) was wearing a Minor Threat shirt (red bottled hate shirt). Is it just me or is that just wrong? God I hate Puddle of Asss.

Oh, Christ.

punk is MORE than just music so shut the fuck up!

A) Pat, keep on giving examples of how much you "don't give 2 shits" about people fucking with you

B) I do think Thrice deserve all the success they get, having said that, I also think the word "overexposure" comes to mind. I mean shit, I'm playing Madden & in betweeen almost every play I keep hearing intros to Thrice songS (yes, plural). If I want to hear that much Thrice, I'll throw a cd on.

"fuck MTV... this is all I have to say!
and fuck all those bands too! they´re in it for the cash and want to make money! I don´t care where they come from, all I know is they want to be the next big thing...
just like AFI...they are on dreamworks... can´t wait till the elton john/afi split comes out... how dumb is that??? they are labelmates of elton john...think about it once more..."
Well I'm sure the bands are all dying to apologize for actually wanting to get their music out and make money. Music is great- it's life. And if someone can make money doing what they love, why not? That's like telling a teacher "Oh, you can only teach at a shitty little school otherwise you don't really love it." It's bullshit. Screw being "punk." They've worked for it, whether they suck or rock.

"What's up with Thrice being EVERYWHERE anymore, Christ they're even on Madden Football 2003."
Thrice DESERVE to be everywhere. They're an awesome group of talented guys, and I'm glad that they've gotten their music out of Orange County and into the houses of people all over the US.

OK, Im sorry I am not actually from the city of Boston physically. But I do consider my self a person of Boston. I love Boston. It is the greatest city in the world as far as I am concerned. I couldnt have chosen a better place to live and be a punk fan. I highly doubt that you actually have much pride in the city of Boston, as not many people in the punk scene do. But being "from" Boston and being Irish and having a father that loves the city of Boston as much as I do, hence forth teaching me alot about the great city, give me the right to call myself the BostonMusicGuy. Anyway, yea, I have a question for everybody at this site...Can you tell me why it bothers you so much that rap-rock, nu-metal, boy bands, and rap are so popular. For people with supposedly open minds you really dont give much else a chance... and if you do give it a chance and you dont like it you calim that it is horrible and no one should listen to it because its so bad. That doesnt sound like an open mind to me... but then again, I listen to Sum41.... fucking morons...-BostonMusicGuy

Pat, if you don't give 2 shits about what people say you wouldn't have written that long ass excuse for the 41.

What's up with Thrice being EVERYWHERE anymore, Christ they're even on Madden Football 2003.

I remember back a few reviews ago when i told pat41 I ignore everything he said as total bullshit because his name is a Sum41 ref.... And man-oh-man, am i ever glad I did that. Heheehehehee. "If you can't swim, you boun' to driz-own!"

seriously tho, you people take this shit to seriously. This is PUNK for fucks sake, it's DEAD. DEAD DEAD DEAD. All hail this corporate bullshiat which is, at the very least, giving money to these crappy bands and allowing an underground to fester. Hey, think of it this way=

corporate sellout offspring = ass

corporate sellout dexter holland spending his cash on nitro records to bring us awesome bands = awesome

so maybe these bands will realize what they've done? Give a little back? Okay - I'm dreaming, but it's sooooo infinately better then the sellout kids listening to that Nu-Metal shit and RapRock. I mean, this shit may suck, but at least it doesnt make my ears bleed

ps: BostonMusicGuy, change yer name, dipshit, I'm actually FROM boston and thus i override you. (snicker)

~bostoNmusiCguY(2)

What a loser... I am sorry I even responded to your post... I wasted a good amount of my time... I am wasting even more right now... forget it...-BostonMusicGuy

Pat41, what a liar! I didn't ask you to write a book either! What's that you say, I made many long posts about this subject to? Well I have already admitted that I have no life at all!
For real though, this is all I have in my life. The only times I have left my house this summer is when I went out to dinner with my parents on my birthday and when I walk my dog. I am going to spend the rest of my day at home, and the same will go on forever. You know, I don't even have internet friends. I'm the loser, not the people I make fun of.

I'm too embarrassed to even tell you my name.

-Anonymous poster

(Well, at least writing this post took up some of my day, because I have such a hard time trying to think of things to do.)

OK, maybe no one else likes to read another review or you would have gotten the whole story on the origin of my former name. Ever since the first day I picked up a basketball and played in my first game at the YMCA in haverhill I have been number 41. A couple of years I was different numbers but if I was ever given the chance to pick my own number I chose 41. It is true that I was a sum 41 fan. A huge one. They bore me a little bit now but I am still a fan. I was never looking for a random number to put after my name if I was looking to put a random number I probably would have picked something like 99 or 88 or 990090 (my school ID # in high school), my old screen name was actually Fols164 (which was how far I threw the javelin in high school). Now that I have written the Sum 41 review and have (obvioulsy) been associated with sum 41 for the rest of my life because of that review I have tried to stray from that a little bit by trying to give myself a new name. Not that I care what the hell you people think of me but that I cant stand the fact that my entire credibility at punknew relies upon the fact that I listen to sum 41 and had 41 in my name. So now, in tribute to my favorite internet reporter, The Boston Sports Guy (who writes for Page 2 @ Espn.com, I have changed my name to the BostonMusicGuy as most of my favorite bands hail from Boston (DKM, Bosstones, Big D, Piebald) as do I (well 30 minutes North of Boston in a little town called Haverhill). So now that you know the story, keep telling me I am a liar, keep telling me I am a poser... whatever you want to tell me keep it coming because I couldnt really give 2 shits what yuou think about me. Just dont write off my comments and opinions automatically just because I used to be pat41, and because I enjoy Sum 41's music. I am sure all of you have a guilty pleasure of some sort in the Music Industry.Oh yea... the guy that works for me and says that my favorite song is Fat Lip can suck a nut... Yea I work with him, no my favorite song is not Fat Lip, and yes he did admit to me one day that he made out with 2 guys before in his life... Not that theres anything wrong with that...Ahhhh Seinfeld....-BostonMusicGuy

I think life would be much more interesting if mob rule was implemented again.

PS. If you're looking for my comments that prove that Pat41 is a liar, scroll down a bit and look for the blue text. There are about 4 comments there that explain how Pat41 takes us all for fools with his stupid lie(s). Read them carefully, so we can all judge Pat41 as he should be. I didn't ask him to lie, but now that he did, he has to pay.

So don't forget, scroll down a bit to see how Pat41 is a liar! Thanks!

(He said his name has nothing to do with Sum41.)

PAT, DID YOU NOT READ MY COMMENTS BELOW ON HOW YOU ARE A LIAR? For those of you who have forgotten, Pat41 said that his name had nothing to do with Sum 41. A few comments below, you will see about 4 comments by myself that explains and proves how Pat was lying, and is a liar. Don't let him insult your intelligence.

AND PAT - Quit dodging the bullet and confess, because we all already know you lied.

Juliana Theory are just a mediocre emo-pop band -- they're far from groundbreaking, yet far from being awful... their EP, "Music From Another Room" does, in fact, suck balls, but "Emotion is Dead" has some pretty cool songs on it, and their song on this MTV comp IS a good song, which actually has me looking forward to their upcoming CD.

So Pat41, go back to listening to your Sum 41 and Hoobastank.

First and foremost, it fucking offends me to think that people can be so narrow minded and ignorant that they can't admit when they are wrong.

Black Flag kick(ed) fucking ass. Comparing Ginn to Hendrix is retarded. The band still tore shit up and set trends and broke bones. They were classic. Without them, punk rock would not be the way it is today.

Thursday kick fucking ass. Their songs are leagues ahead of the generic, uninspired bandwagon scene whores that have latched on to their sound and burned it into the ground. They are technical, rhythm oriented, and the lyrics are introspective and poetic.

Both bands are good at what they do. That should be enough for all the people on this board. They both rock. Both bands have talent. The difference is that Thursday are still around now, writing music and playing from the heart. Black Flag imploded. And for the most part, the Black Flag sound is dead. I imagine musicians just got tired of playing simple music. And don't try and tell me Black Flag songs are complicated, by any means.

Lastly, comparing the from Thursday singer to Jordan from NFG is childish and stupid. They both sing in a higher register. Big fucking deal. The lyrics are nothing alike, and their projection and tones are nothing alike. NFG are good at what they do. They're just a radio band. The songs are catchy. Why bother with classifications? Only morons attempt to take trivial differences between bands and trump them up to determine if they've sold out or not.

-edward

Who gives a #### who is on a major label or not, it is all still music. All you people get into this whole thing about what goes on with the bands and whos punker. All I care about is the music I hope all these bands take over this nu metal #### and boy bands. So the world doesnt have to keep listening to dumb overproduced music. And Thursday may sound a little like other bands but they are still pretty original. I could link most bands to a band they sound like and say they copied them. There is actually only a handful of truly origianl bands.

dont think i could be more disappointed in Thrice and AFI. both are now on major labels, which isnt all bad, then they're all the sudden on an mtv CD? what the fuck? money is not THAT important. fat mike is loaded. NFG sucks cow testes. bye

>>God you're all just a bunch of kids. You do nothing but complain.

>>p.s. This album isn't worth commenting on.

Sounds like you're complaining... and you commented on the album not worth commenting on.

sick of kids

God you're all just a bunch of kids. You do nothing but complain.

p.s. This album isn't worth commenting on.

IF you like crap-core with a corporate rock edge, this is the CD for you!

So why did I just give this shitty comp a 10?

Yeah, Thursday do have technical talent, more so than Black Flag, but they don't use it to be different or original. They just sound like every oter emo-core band. Dillinger Escape Plan, now that's a good use of technical talent.

No, Black Flag has way more talent in all ways, except conformist, conservative wimp talent twhich thursday is full of/

Thursday may have more techinical talent than Black Flag, that's not a big accomplishment though. Probably all those bands have more talent than the Ramones, is that saying anything, no.

They are still just a bunch of faceless pop bands. The Ramones and Black Flag were different from everyone else. Black Flag went on and changed their music to avoid sounding like everyone else, something none of the bands on this comp have done, or will likely ever do, because if they do, they won't be accepted and make money. That's's what separates Black Flag from these idiots, they took chances.

how gay is pat41?
I work with him, and he told me his favorite song is Fat Lip
pat u fucking pussy go lick Bizzy D's asshole
HD313

Okay, okay, this is my last post, I swear. But we all do get the facts, right? Let me go over the scenario again, since I have no friends, no one to talk to, and nowhere to go.

Okay, let's say you want a name to call yourself on the Internet. Let's say your name is Joe. Well you want to add a number to the end of your name, just for shits and giggles. You are thinking of numbers. Hm, well... Your dad is 41, and "#41" is also the name of your favorite Dave Matthews Band song (on the awesome album, "Crash", which I recommend dearly). So you are thinking, "41 is a great number!". But then you suddenly remember that Sum 41 is a popular band. Since you don't want to be associated automatically as a Sum 41 fan, as you aren't one, you decide just to give up the number, even though your dad is still 41 and "#41" is still an awesome DMB song. But it's not worth the complications of being labelled as a Sum 41 fan. So in a few minutes, you have your new Intenet name: Joe56.

Now that we have read Joe's situation, let's look at Pat's situation. Though we all already know the obvious fact that Pat has always been a Sum 41 fan, and named his online name after the band, let's give him some benefit of the doubt. This is America, right. Actually, fuck that! Its impossible! Even if Pat did originally want a random number, its obvious that since he IS a fan (click anywhere to see his 4 star Sum 41 review), he would have been confronted with the issue of whether or not he wants a name that looks like it is referencing Sum 41. So his name just wouldn't be Sum 41! Simple human logic! I know we all think differently, but come on. This general logic applies to most, and I am sure we can agree that this logic would apply to Pat. So anyway, Pat knew what he was getting into from the start. He named himself Pat41, after Sum 41. You can read his 4 star review by clicking on this text. Also, Sum 41 WAS big enough when Pat assumed this identity. So it is not like he made this name before he heard of them. I think we all get this case.

Bottom line, we all know that PAT41 IS A LIAR! THIS IS SO A SUM 41 INSPIRED NAME! Thank you.

PS CLICK HERE! (to see Pat's Sum 41 review, where he gave them 4 stars.)

Just to add for the third time, it is obvious to all that Pat41's name is no coincidence. That is so insulting to everyone's intelligence, even those like myself who are blowing a little deal out of proportion, making myself more annoying than Pat41 who lied about the origin of his name.

Oh, since I already am being annoying, I might as well mention that clicking any text in this review will once again bring you to Pat41's 4 star Sum 41 review.

And he wants us to believe his name is just a coincidence!

Don't forget, CLICK HERE!

Dear Pat41,

You are the one who put a 4 star review of Sum 41 in the archive.

Read it yourself and don't tell me your name did not stem from Sum 41.

::CLICK ANYWHERE ON THIS COMMENT TO READ HIS REVIEW::

(When a band is as big as Sum 41, and you are making User Names with numbers, even if you weren't a fan you would realize that the number 41 would be associated with the band, Sum 41. At that point, most would decide to use a different number. However, with the above review, it is obvious that you ARE a fan. Don't tell me it was coincidence. God, it is hilarious how you are such a liar.

Dear Pat41,

You are the one who put a 4 star review of Sum 41 in the archive.

Read it yourself and don't tell me your name did not stem from Sum 41.

http://www.punknews.org/reviews.php?op=albumreview&id=212

When a band is as big as Sum 41, and you are making User Names with numbers, even if you weren't a fan you would realize that the number 41 would be associated with the band, Sum 41. At that point, most would decide to use a different number. However, with the above review, it is obvious that you ARE a fan. Don't tell me it was coincidence. God, it is hilarious how you are such a liar!

(And to others: Yes, I realize I have no life, hands, and a keyboard.)

you're all jaded. yep. i heard this CD in a record store a few weeks ago and really enjoyed it. it's just a stupid compilation.

wow, what a totally GAY selection of bands we have here...

Person below. You are a fucking idiot. You completely missed the fact that people don't call something gay meaning "happy" or even "homosexual". They mean "bad" or "dumb". The word simply doesn't mean either of those two things. It isn't about being politically correct. It is about being CORRECT. Furthermore, it is hurtful and hateful. Being politically correct isn't about not being hurtful or hateful. It is about fitting in with the political norm and being as non-offensive as possible. However, PC makes it all right, even very good, to blame everything on straight white males (in an attitude that does this towards individuals). Yes, slavery, AIDS, anthrax, and child kidnappings are all my pale asses fault. My bad.

people, you need to stop freaking out when somebody says "gay" ... i have no problem with homosexuals, but the word gay was around way before it was used in reference to homosexuals... i use the word with the meaning: "Happy beyond all reason" which pisses me off. and unless you're dumb, gay means happy. you people always assume that somebody is just ignorant. this is not the case. stop trying to be politically correct. if you listen to these pop bands, you've got no right to complain about something as dumb as someone using the word "gay"

i can name 100 bands that are better than thursday...
what a fucken dummy.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You FUCKING IDIOT!!!! More talent than Black Flag?!? You fucking little kid. Thursday is just another one of the same old same old bands that all sound the same, they throw in a weak hearted scream or two and vocals that sound just like NFG and call it "original", plus their guitarist is the most boring and pathetic excuse for one. Do you even know who Black Flag is kiddie? Greg Ginns guitar solos are up there with fuckin' Jimi Hendrix and Rollins could pound even the meanest crowds into submission.

fuck MTV... this is all I have to say!
and fuck all those bands too! they´re in it for the cash and want to make money! I don´t care where they come from, all I know is they want to be the next big thing...
just like AFI...they are on dreamworks... can´t wait till the elton john/afi split comes out... how dumb is that??? they are labelmates of elton john...think about it once more...

Attention everyone: According to some jackass, Thursday has more talent than Wire, The Stooges, Black Flag and The Minutemen (as well as many others). You heard it here first.

if you had an open mind you might like Juliana Theory...

If you had an open mind, you'd accept the opinions of others.

i was just surprised that they put BrandNew on there.

The Ramones and Sex Pistols were on major labels. I guess they are not punk according to most people that frequent this site. Shame, I liked the Ramones...but now I see the error of my ways and will no longer like them for it.

~Jacobe

"also, people really need to stop referring to Jimmy Eat World as punk. I've heard a number of their songs and have yet to hear one even as punk as New Found Glory, who make the gayest poppiest bullshit EVER!"

Sure, Jimmy Eat World might not be punk, But calling something "Gay" as an insult sure is!! Good job.

"The punk bands of the seventies, early 80's, on in to the 90's have never been as talented as Thursday..."

I am equally shocked and humored that someone would claim thursday has more talent than anyone before them.
if thursday werent an 'at the drive-in' ripoff.. i might think they had talent.

regardless- your statement leads me to believe you don't listen to very good music.. or in the very least havent been listening to what you call 'punk' for very long.

okay, maybe its me, but hoobastank (to my knowledge) always sounds like incubus. They have videos that copy incubus' and they suck almost as bad as incubus (AKA: Backstreet boys on ice [with guitars {who suck man boobs!}])... also, people really need to stop referring to Jimmy Eat World as punk. I've heard a number of their songs and have yet to hear one even as punk as New Found Glory, who make the gayest poppiest bullshit EVER!

I was actually surprised to see Thrice. That's a decent song by them.

Hmm...
I don't guess there's much to say about the album and the bands on it... since I haven't heard it.. but have enjoyed many of these bands for the past three to four years. Listen, about the corporate stink, so on and so forth... get real. The punk bands of the seventies, early 80's, on in to the 90's have never been as talented as Thursday, as wonderfully melodic as Jimmy Eat World. There's is no reason why these bands shouldn't be on major labels, and making money... if you are good enough... then you deserve everything that is given to you. Don't be so hard on bands... these bands are fortunate to be heard. It could mean break through... it could get them what they deserve.

hey pat41- if you had an open mind you might like Juliana Theory...

i love it when sum41 fans dis on bands like juliana theory, while in the same post- will praise bands like 'hoobastank'.

pat41 you suck your own balls.I dont actually ever remeber giving any praise to Hoobastank. I said I liked the song that was on here. Im sorry you people still think that my name references sum41. Thats not the case at all fuckers. This is why I have changed my name or did you not get the "formerly known as" part of my post. Being fucking retarded isnt punk. Handsdown313 is a fucking loser. Fuck him, fuck the juliana theory and fuck all of you. Now if you will excuse me I have to go and complain some more so I can be more punk like all of youForget it...-BostonMusicGuy

Jersey Still Suck.

and Deftones' "the boys republic" was on the limited edition versions of "white pony".

AFI stands out like a f*cking soar thumb. How could they do this? I hope they were starving.

The rest of the bands seem like they belong.

Lame- AFI on an MTV style pop punk album? Davey what are u thinking? AFI's music still rules, but cannot take this song as seriously anymore.

pat41 the juliana theory rocks and you suck.
handsdown313

i love the juliana theory they may just be one of my favorite bands along with sparta fairweather recover and well alota other stuff that may be 2 cool for some of u but is still not mainstream rock yet, well sparta is on a major so. anways juliana theory plays some of the most unique rock music out their the songs on their alblum differ so greatly and singer bret detar has an awsome voice i love that they draw alota influence from 70s rock bands and i rember back in teh day punkrocks.net called them the modern day pink floyd maby their just not your personal taste but they are awsome pat41 and whoever else thinks they suck balls and this comp how the hell did coheed and cambria get on this 3 months ago i swear no one heard of them i went to a show and no one knew any of their stuff though the crowd really dug their live preformance but i have no idea how they got onto an mtv comp so quickly

How dare they put Jersey. They are not in the emo/pop-punk category. They are more in the punk/ska kind of music. They played with anti-flag this one time. A-f rules!

Anyone with a name referencing Sum41 is not allowed to criticize others tastes.

Hoobastank are sellouts. I remember when they used to be a little ska band, but then changed their sound. That's not very PUNK.

Sara(no h)

what does MTV have to do with MUSIC?!

cant wait until september 24th.. new Madcap is sure to kick ya ass!

hey pat41- if you had an open mind you might like Juliana Theory...

i love it when sum41 fans dis on bands like juliana theory, while in the same post- will praise bands like 'hoobastank'.

pat41 you suck your own balls.

Don't kid yourself about this cd containing any indie label bands. And you people need to stop bitching about how these underground bands are on these corporate kicks. No one forced them to put their shit on this comp. They want they money so they gave them a right to put their stuff on it. Your "underground" bands seem to like going up the ladder now.

- Mr. Know it all

To jheisel [also known as my brother],
the following bands on this CD are on independent labels:
The Rise
Brand New
Coheed and Cambria
Jersey
Taking Back Sunday
The Movielife [sorta]
Get Up Kids [sorta]
That ain't bad, for an MTV comp.

To ejaculine - I thought I had the first pressing of "White Pony" [it's a silver cover with the silouhette of the horse in the corner] - am I wrong?

-Scott

These cd r not 4 punx becuz emtyvee r not punx!!! they r poseurs!!! oi oi oi!!!

The Hoobastank song on here is really good. Dont give me shit about it either because I dont want to hear it. If any of you had an open mind you might like it too. Anyway, this sounds like a good compilation and who knows I might buy itthat was a good one huh... I dont think I will be purchasing this because all of the songs I dont have, I dont care to have.The Juliana Theory sucks my balls-the user formerly known as pat41

First The Boys Republic inst unreleased. I was on the first printings of White Pony. Second, I like Haste. and again, who cares if bands are on majors or not..... If it mathers to you, well sorry you a fucking idiot. You are close minded. Your probably missing out on some cool stuff just cuz it's on a major. Oh No! Get a life. Music is music.
-ejaculine

I would just like to say that the line, "I'm still in shock that this is being sponsored by MTV - the co-opting of our scene is complete," is one of the funniest things I have ever heard. MTV is not co-opting any scene - none of the bands on here are underground; to the best of my knowledge they are all on majors or uber-majors. I'm fairly confident that people who buy this because it's MTV aren't going to be showing up at Yaphet Kotto shows any time soon, just as soon as I'm certain that anyone who buys this for mostly previously-released songs from shit artists doesn't have any business in the 'scene' in the first place.

I hope that's a 'Mats quote...I know some of you out there have taste