Hot Water Music - Caution (Cover Artwork)

Hot Water Music

Hot Water Music: CautionCaution (2002)
Epitaph Records

Reviewer Rating: 5
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Alot of bands put out records that nail their coffins shut. They might put out records afterward that reclaim what they lost, but they can never get back to where they were. The new record is often a plea to an old formula they hope will win back the fanbase they lost. Hot Water Music is differen.
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Alot of bands put out records that nail their coffins shut. They might put out records afterward that reclaim what they lost, but they can never get back to where they were. The new record is often a plea to an old formula they hope will win back the fanbase they lost.

Hot Water Music is different. When they put out a record, even at their worst, they are amazing. When "A flight and a crash" came out, their were some reactions to their signing to Epitaph. But unlike most bands, when reviews came back their was a hitch. I read alot of HWM fans who didn't particularly like "A flight and a crash". Yet at the same time, unlike most bands, these reviews also were clear about one point. That Hot water Music could put out a less than "perfect" album and still be considered a great record by its fanbase. They could put out a different record than the last and not be doomed by fan expectations. That the record may not have been their best did not doom them with a stigma or curse them with a slump. Even in a bad review, it was still considered a solid record. HWM fans still bought the album, it may not have been their favorite overall, but it was certain HWM hadn't lost any of their charge. It was a different record, thats all.

Confidence in the band remained, and "Caution" is the nail in someone's coffin, just not theirs.

You may know of another big time punk band whose album was named "Caution:", but HWM was so confident in their ability they didn't leave it with a colon. No no, they just leave it with a period. Their that sure it will knock you on your ass. Caution. Period. And their right.

After you get by the ever eye catching cover (a certain added bonus to every HWM release), The record's strength is by far in its consistency. Never falling to filler, or gaps in drive or energy. The record is much more coherent and complete than "A flight....", working as a full album above individual songs. It works on contradiction, the songs melding together in a similar build of passion and harmonics, while remaining utterly distinct and noticeable in their own right. They maintain a strong tempo while never slowing to a lull, but never being outright formula. Some of the songs released so far like "Remedy","Trusty Chords",and "Wayfarer" use pop elements in a rougher and more decieving way bringing the usual epitaph crowd into a false sense of pop security before hitting them with the real HWM the songs project, dense and intricate before they have the chance to second guess. And by then, HWM will already have won them over, their Sum 41 records soon an embarrasing phase.

The production is tight. The vocals are as crisp and more importantly intillegible than ever, while remaining gruff, tense, and yearning. The guitars and overall mix sounds denser than "A flight...." . The back up vocals, particularly in "Untitled" (my favorite song) and "I was on a mountain", pair off with the main vocals to produce perfect and haunting melodies invoking the cadence of tired 4 AM blue collar walks home. The breakdown in "One step to slip" recalls melancholy and urgency, rolling through the entire record. "Alright for now" starts with an ominously quiet bass line, before the vocals extend to the constant scrape of the guitar riff, until it leads to the thud of the chorus, "Im alright for now but i havent been, got lots of shit behind me", begging to be sung along to.

"Well say anything we want" starts with a fast drum beat over a quick shot of guitar chased with quiet, the drums still paced and the strained vocals beginning "Mr.Always want to sleep...". By then, if your not pounding your foot to the beat, you have no use of your lower nervous system, and I suggest if constrained to a chair, to use your index finger, or blink emphatically. After the punkorama track "Wayfarer", it ends fittingly with "The End", the perfect mix of complimentary punk friction and post-whatyouwanttocallit progression.

Overall, the album feels alive and impulsive while never overstepping a sense of calculated restraint. It inspires an album spanning atmospheric quality while piercing any attempt at a sustained mood or pigeonholing any of the songs to redundancy with a visceral attack of impression within each song that can't be pinned down. Each songs individual definition contributes to a whole and unified great punk/emo/rock/bluegrass/hardcore/altcountry/jazz whatever you classify it as album.

I think no one will have to worry about Hot Water Music's future or viability for a long time to come. This record is kicking my ass, and has not left my CD player for two days, and only to bring it to my car stereo. The only thing better is if the vinyl has bonus tracks (where in I will rate this an 11), at which point all you will see is a Yosemite Sam styled Dissipating smoke outline of where my body used to be. If you are HWM fan, there is no disappointment coming your way. But after all, when was there?


People who liked this also liked:
The Lawrence Arms - Oh! Calcutta!The Lawrence Arms - The Greatest Story Ever ToldAlkaline Trio - GoddamnitAgainst Me! - is Reinventing Axl RoseHot Water Music - No DivisionAgainst Me! - As The Eternal CowboyThe Gaslight Anthem - Sink or SwimThe Gaslight Anthem - The '59 SoundHot Water Music - The New What NextHot Water Music - Fuel For The Hate Game

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wyzo (March 17, 2011)

Of my reviews, I'm ashamed by most, but a few I thought were not bad. This is in the middle.

I will defend, generally, imperfect grammar. Not always, since I'm a grump, but punk reviews are not submitted to peer review journals. No extensive citation scheme is utilized. If I misquote a lyric (sometimes even hearing a different lyric than the 'official' lyric) it should be easy to understand the song I'm referring to. Typos happen all the time.

It has been interesting to see what reviews get comments years down the line and which ones do not.

LeightonESmith (October 17, 2010)

this album fucken ownz

szmitu_rage (April 25, 2010)

this fuckin sucks, the reviever is really poor bastard if he likes this shit

ramblinboyofpleasure (March 10, 2010)

"Mr. Always want to sleep" hahahahaha

jessman (October 6, 2009)

The last hot water music cd to get a five stars from me the new what next was good but not caution good.

drbino (January 9, 2009)

Score is for the reviewer's shitty grammar

PtvnSux94 (December 3, 2008)

Every song is great, its my favorite album my them

Will_StrungOut (July 22, 2008)

Most days this is my fave HWM record, mainly cause it doesn't have pretentious song titles...

that said, I fucking love the energy of Fuel for the Hate Game's first side

drewshaw (January 2, 2008)

this album has set the bar for me..

The_Wayfarer (January 19, 2007)

Best album... except for No Division. And ranks with Moonpies for Misfits.

The_Wayfarer (January 19, 2007)

Best album... except for No Division. And ranks with Moonpies for Misfits.

Mrdogg45 (December 14, 2006)

"Fuel for the Hate Game" is their definative statement, but this album is more accsessable without sacraficing qualitiy. If I wanted somone to listen to HWM, I would have them start here. Just like on "Fuel", the first 5 songs fire without a missed step.

Anonymous (August 22, 2005)

brilliant cd...brilliant band...

Anonymous (July 16, 2004)

I love this album....I decided to go shopping the other day for some clothing ( shopping is my own personal hell ).....after about an hour of agony I stopped in at a music store. Breaking the pact I had given myself at the beginning of the day not to buy any music ( since I had just spent 200 bucks on cd's) I choked and bought HWM - caution. One of the better decisions Ive made lately. I love this cd and it hasnt left my cd player since. Im left with no clothes and no money but a sweet ass cd collection. I give this two thumbs up a kick in the pants and a 20 on the ratings scale.

Anonymous (June 25, 2004)

a record for years, means you can hear it again and agian

Anonymous (March 14, 2003)

Right now, I love this record more than anything else that I own. An 11.

plowro (March 5, 2003)

I personally dont think music can get much better. Great album, great damn-ass review.

soulbleed (January 12, 2003)

this CD picks up where their last left off, minus the special tingles. if you want to hear this band in its prime, listen to 'fuel for the hate game' and skip over this trash.

Anonymous (December 30, 2002)

My brother just gave me this cd too...it's my introduction to HWM and i'm lovin' it...good stuff - bigjerk

Anonymous (December 26, 2002)

My brother just gave me this CD and it kicks some serious fucking ass. I didn't get into HWM until after "A Flight and a Crash" was released and their recent work has truly blown me away. I'm not a big fan of their older stuff (A lot of my friends dig "Forever and Counting" a lot yet I don't care for it). This is so, so good.

Anonymous (October 30, 2002)

To the guy who posted: "The Lagwagon CD is taking so long because it will probably be the last and I'm sure the band wants it to be their best work yet."

Those are EXACTLY my sentiments. I don't bitch about it taking long because if Lagwagon makes only *one more* record, and if it's their best effort, I swear I can die happy. I really hope I'm not setting myself up for disappointment - I doubt it, their two new songs are awesome.

I remember Joey Cape saying something in an interview about how he thinks Lagwagon have reached their prime, their zenith - that they've become as good as they can be. Sort of a "everything's downhill from here" and "quit while you're ahead" type thing, although I don't think I'd ever get tired of Lagwagon.

I've never seen them live, but that's okay. The assurance of one last, awesome release is enough for me. Bad Astronaut is wonderful too, so I think I'll survive.

To the guy who wonders what the "big deal" is: Try out some of their newer stuff if you haven't. You don't know what you're missing. Then again, everyone has different tastes. But, come on, this is a punk website! You like punk, right? Lagwagon's my favorite band! =P

conform (October 29, 2002)

Their? They're!

Anonymous (October 15, 2002)

excellent album....and an excellent review, this guy know how to write.

Anonymous (October 15, 2002)

What is the big deal about lagwagon? Never liked them.

bemused (October 15, 2002)

Wyzo, don't bother defending yourself man. You'll just get inundated by more Anonymous Fucks who think they know better but don't bother doing anything about it. This review was pretty damn good and I look forward to getting it

Anonymous (October 14, 2002)

Actually, Armchair Martian is better than Bad Asstronaut (I spelled Ass! Because that's what they are similar to: an ass!))

Anonymous (October 14, 2002)

tisk tisk tisk, lagwagon never stoped making amazing music silly goose and next and last album looks to be as amazing as their last albums

Anonymous (October 14, 2002)

Lagwagon seemed to stop making interesting music some time ago, I'm more interested in the bad astronaut material. eh.


Anonymous (October 12, 2002)

im already giddy for the next wagon cd and bad as. comes out in a few days

Anonymous (October 12, 2002)

i made up this insult.....


you have to admit, it's good.

Anonymous (October 12, 2002)

I like the harder songs on this album and the experimental ones, but....as usual, as much as i like this band, i just cannot get into the poppier stuff. But i'd still rather listen to HWM do poppy than New Found Glory.

Anonymous (October 12, 2002)

I agree, Black lag shoved out their best records between '84 & '85, 4 of them, their most creative and artistically expressive ones. Same with the Ramones and Husker Du. It doesn't matter what stupid 12 year old punkers who want everything to sound the same think, it's about the music and expanding it's horizen.

Anonymous (October 11, 2002)

To be fair I haven't picked this up, but the review is excellent and I like the band so its on the list for my next trip to the store BUT what I really wanted to say is waht up with "take a break" thing? When guys are on a roll, especially in the punk thing, the more the merrier. Flag put out records non-stop for a few years, Husker Du for years, the Ramones and dozens of other more modern bands. Yeah you get some filler, but you also capture something thats just perfect, that could only be played that good at that point in time. Waiting two years to record a tune like that, letting it waste away due to overproduction, mood changes, old age, whatever, defeats the purpose and is not what bands like HWM are all about. I applaud the fact they that consistently churn out records, it further distances them from most of the crap out there.

Anonymous (October 11, 2002)

wyzo, you just don't get it. I didn't say it was a big deal, just that you ruined the fun. Calling him Hank Chinaski was merely an "inside joke" so that I could feel hip and above the other guy since I've read his books just like lying to him on the other two questions did. Also, a pet name is if I would call you "pumpkin" or something, not if I called you "John Wilson." Got it, pumpkin? That does blow something hard that Black Sparrow's no longer around. I hadn't heard that before. Suppose I better get around to finishing off my Fante and Bukowski collections before they become RARE AND OOP! on Ebay.

Anonymous (October 11, 2002)

i like how scott thinks he knows everything about a band since he works on a popular punk site. i remember a year ago he was a scenester making fun of kids at jimmy eat world shows for singing the wrong lyrics.

Anonymous (October 11, 2002)

like I give a shit if I give someone an epitaph mailing list answer, the world apparently hasn't been destroyed.

Chinaski is his literary alter ego, so yes its a pet name. You only call him hank or chuck or chinaski if you feel like it makes you special.

Burroughs and ginsberg are hacks, Bukowski was far from the beats, and much more down to earth.

Whats sad is black sparrow press isn't going to publish anymore. The great bandi ni must be gotten elsewhere.


punky (October 11, 2002)

It seems to be kind of irrelevant with all this useless comments below but, Good review Wyzo!

sickboi (October 11, 2002)

Bukowski didn't have shit on Ginsberg or Burroughs.

Anonymous (October 10, 2002)

Wyzo, you idiot. If you noticed, people were saying not to answer his questions. I answered them sarcastically. Hank Chinaski is hardly a pet name. 1984 was just a year I threw out (also a literary reference) and the Little Dog Laughed is a fictional fictional short story taken from the novel Ask The Dust by John Fante, the man that Charles Bukowski derived most of his influence from. Christ. Quit trying to be such a smartypants, asshead.

Anonymous (October 10, 2002)

the guy below the guy below me is funny

Anonymous (October 10, 2002)

and the guy below me is an asshole

Anonymous (October 10, 2002)

Comment below me lacks intelligence quotient required to continue breathing while pressing a key on the keyboard. Too bad we survive for two minutes without any oxygen flow to our brain or the world would be a better place.

Anonymous (October 10, 2002)

NO Lagwagon can't break up there the greatest band alive and i've only got to see them once. They have so much more to offer. I like bad Astronaut but Lagwagon is way better. and also i heard awhile back that rancid is/was going to break up after there next album?

dongrom (October 10, 2002)

Thanks to the two guys who gave me some more info on Lagwagon. Sucks they will break up, but I guess it is better to go out while you are still ahead.


Anonymous (October 10, 2002)

Fuckin' Epitaph. Hank Chinaski must be spinning in his grave. He died in 1984 and he wrote a book called "The Little Dog Laughed""

You mean charles bukowski, cause calling people by pet names whom you don't know is lame. He could call himself hank and chinaski.

And he died in 1994, not 1984. A bit of a difference.

And the little dog laughed isn't a book. Its a story. Of the novels he wrote amongst other things Post office, Ham on rye, factotum, women, as well as volumes of poetry. Hot water music the band is not intentionally named after the book, so the question is stupid.

He would be spinning in his grave, I agree there.


Anonymous (October 10, 2002)

To the guy 2 posts down, I can guarantee that this is the last Wagon CD. First, the band has accomplished everything they possibly can with the pop-punk style and they realize this. Second, Joey wants to do Bad Astronaut full time because it allows to him to do something new and fresh.

Anonymous (October 10, 2002)

lagwagon almost broke up a few years ago, but decided not to.they almost decided to make 'lets talk about..' their last release. the reason the new album is taking so long is cuz of that, joeys label he tried to run, the gimme gimmes, warped tour, and joey's side band bad astronaut

dongrom (October 10, 2002)

What the fuck? Lagwagon's LAST Cd? Where did you hear about this and is it true?


Anonymous (October 10, 2002)

Fuckin' Epitaph. Hank Chinaski must be spinning in his grave. He died in 1984 and he wrote a book called "The Little Dog Laughed."

sickboi (October 10, 2002)

If you don't know those answers you are an idiot.

maverick (October 10, 2002)

Don't answer that guy! He's just trying to get the answers for the Epitaph newsletter contest.

Look it up, fool!


Anonymous (October 10, 2002)

Who wrote the book that HWM got their name from?

What year did that writer die?

and name one other book by that author.

Anonymous (October 9, 2002)

"To the person who asked who the other Punk band who released an album entitled caution, you're probably going to be really embarrassed that you couldn' t think of it.

Caution was also Operation Ivy's Record."

there's a smart guy...

Anonymous (October 9, 2002)

The Lagwagon CD is taking so long because it will probably be the last and I'm sure the band wants it to be their best work yet.

pinchejim (October 9, 2002)

Very true. They stopped for awhile but now they're back on track. Their new ones practically done and they just put out Maladroit this year. I guess what I'm getting at is why it takes these bands so long to put out albums. I mean where in the hell is the new Lagwagon already!!!


Anonymous (October 9, 2002)

Too bad Weezer has only put out 4 albums in 8 years.

pinchejim (October 9, 2002)

Some bands put out a record once every 3 years. You tour for a year then take 2 off. I don't know about you guys but I have to be at work everyday...no 2 year breaks for me. Making music is their job. With the exception of Weezer, HWM are the only ones around putting out albums once a year. Its called hard work. The new album is incredible!! I love fuel for the hate game as much as everyone else, but they must move on. Let this album stand on its own. Everybody has their favorites, I don't see the need to compare it to everything else they've done. If its good its good. Leave it at that.


ludacris (October 9, 2002)

do they still have beards?

Anonymous (October 9, 2002)

Haha, now who's embarassed, jerkass? I don't even like Operation Ivy but I knew that they never released any records called Caution. OPIVY is worse than No Division, and that's saying a lot.

Hamish (October 9, 2002)

Operation Ivy had a song called Caution, but not an album. Their album was called Energy and their EP was called Hectic.

Anonymous (October 9, 2002)

Speaking on the subject Built to Spill is from Idaho another place more bands need to play

Anonymous (October 9, 2002)

hot water music sucks ass

Anonymous (October 9, 2002)

actually i think op ivy had an ep titled caution. anyway, this album is very kick ass. def.more cohesive than "a flight..", and the production, especially vocally is tighter than ever, but not overproduced. great vocals. nice harmonies. its not as great as everyone was hyping it to be, but its a step up from a flight, but not a huge step. everyone was way to hard on a flight. i'm rambling.

Anonymous (October 9, 2002)

Wrong again. Energy was the title, sucka.

Anonymous (October 9, 2002)

To the person who asked who the other Punk band who released an album entitled caution, you're probably going to be really embarrassed that you couldn' t think of it.

Caution was also Operation Ivy's Record.

Anonymous (October 9, 2002)

'untitled' is 'the sense'

Anonymous (October 9, 2002)

umm what track is "Untitled"?

Anonymous (October 9, 2002)

haven't heard it yet

they didn't play queensland when they toured australia

Anonymous (October 9, 2002)

What a disappointment. What happened to this once incredible band?

corey (October 9, 2002)

great album..no "fuel for the hate game", but nothing really compares to that record.

Anonymous (October 8, 2002)

just because doug puts out a solo record
post some proof

ambiotical_sophisticrat (October 8, 2002)

this cd rocks. but more importantly, built to spill is dead? when did this go down?

AstroVince (October 8, 2002)

I think the reviewer is mixed up about one detail. If you're referring to the Green Day album, it's "Warning:" and not "Caution:".

Anonymous (October 8, 2002)

Yup, Built To Spill is no more...

which is too bad, because to this day (and probably forever more) "Keep It Like A Secret" is one of my favorite albums of all time...

still waiting on an inevitable BTS DVD...I mean, Pavement has a double DVD coming out soon, BTS better have a triple disc DVD someday...



maverick (October 8, 2002)

Jimi -
that Built To Spill promo single fucking rules! I added it to our station's playlist, it was so good.


And when did BTS break up? I never heard that...


Anonymous (October 8, 2002)

i agree. i think this cd is overall really good but does have a few fillers, only like 3. the production on the cd is the best they've ever had and i think the best thing about the record is the vocals. ive always liked their vocals but they just sound especially good on this one. its kind of hard to explain, for instance listen to the backup and lead vocals during the chorus in "remedy" and the same during the bridge in "the sense". it just has an overwhelming awesome feeling to it.... like i said its hard to explain. i also think the sense is one of the best songs on the album and they were really fucking good live in athens and thats really all i have to say about it. later

Anonymous (October 8, 2002)

Great album, lots of good songs and only a few ok ones.

CanadianPunkRawker (October 8, 2002)

there now that i've said it lemme win a contest or two

Anonymous (October 8, 2002)

This is definitely better than A Flight and A Crash, but fuck, what happened to the band that wrote Where We Belong, Loft, 220 Years and dozens of other fucking amazing songs. Forever and Counting was their best. No Division was decent but definitely not as good as their first three albums. Jesus Christ guys stop putting out these shitty albums.

Anonymous (October 8, 2002)

Why does everyone like Trusty Chords so much? Am I wrong in hearing the lines "I hate this place/I love these chords"? That's some terrible and cheesy songwriting right there. I don't understand how something THAT cheesy could be such a crowdpleaser. Maybe I'm an ass... probably. Also, Fuel For The Hate Game could beat the shit out of you. Show some respect, assheads. Finding The Rhythms is also way better than most dorks give it credit for.

adam (October 8, 2002)

Well I just got back from a Sunrise Records up here in Canada and they were selling "Caution" for 27 dollars.

Sunrise: FUCK YOU.

Its idiotic that I can mail order shit from the US, and even AFTER shipping costs and the horrible exchange rates, I can still get stuff for sometimes 10 dollars cheaper than in a mall.


Anonymous (October 8, 2002)

I've got a fan....yah!

I don't know if it's sarcasm though....hum...damn the man...

Has anyone heard the promotional sampler Warner has been sending to radio stations that is just Built To Spill playing "Freebird" live at the house of blues? It rocks so hard, I wanna start dancing....of BTS, why did you have to break up?


Anonymous (October 8, 2002)

"most of wyzos views i dont believe in. but good review of a good cd"

I usually hate them by the time theyre put up.


waste_elite (October 8, 2002)

what big name punk band put out a record called "caution"? can't think of any.

good review, i think i'll pick this up tonight.

Anonymous (October 8, 2002)

I saw HWM live on Sunday and HOLY SHIT! Wait until you see some of these songs live...I loved the CD before but after seeing Remedy and Trusty Chords live I was completely blown away. These guys truly are a force to be reckoned with. To all of you who say they should take a break...FUCK YOU! How can you complain about a band coming out with too many albums? Especially when all of them are so damn good. I say keep up the good work HWM!

Anonymous (October 8, 2002)

I really didnt mean to start a bash scott fest. I just think that this has distinctly different characteristics than their previous records, like cleaner vocals, less vocals with both chris and chuck, and their most polished sound yet, some people might right it off. My point is dont write it off, but adjust to the changes they have made, enjoy the cd, because it is inspiring music, and support them, because theyre hard working nice people.

Anonymous (October 8, 2002)

By the way, this review bashing and the infamous "Viva Death" bashing reminds me of AOL. Funny stuff.


Anonymous (October 8, 2002)

This CD is way better than "A Flight And A Crash" but i still believe that "No Divison" is the best overall. "Caution" is full of great songs like that mountain song, "Remedy", "Trusty Chords". HWM should take a 3 year break cuz it seems like they are putting out a record every year.


Anonymous (October 8, 2002)

most of wyzos views i dont believe in. but good review of a good cd

Anonymous (October 8, 2002)

right on jimi way to tell em...kill em jimi go jimi wo0o0o0o0o0o...don't ask me why i do it jimi i'm just a fan
-longing for sherry =[

Anonymous (October 8, 2002)

i think you take this stuff way too seriously. this is a web page. people dont have to look at you when they're hurling their insults. moreover, they dont have to worry about the, sometimes necessary, punch in the mouth for being a complete ass. relax, take a couple of breaths, and realize that 99.9% of the people wouldn't have the balls to say these things to your face. realize that the most offensive people on the net are the ones with no real balls. they need an outlet to vent their frustrations concerning being picked last for the kickball team. if you wanna schedule a rumble, ala the outsiders, ill bring dallas and he'll bring the pain.

-the fortune cookie psychologist

Anonymous (October 8, 2002)

Who is wyzo talking about when he says "Caution:" was the name of another punk bands cd? He could be talking about Green Day, but that was "Warning:".

Anonymous (October 8, 2002)

good review...but goddamnit....

it's "They're" not "Their"



Anonymous (October 8, 2002)

New album released today and they are playing here in RVA tonight....oh shit. Someone's gonna get tore-up tonight...


timis (October 8, 2002)

goddamn scott, i couldnt agree with you more. without a doubt, no division is their best, front-to-back. this new album is "ok". like HWM said, same shit different record. exactly that, shit. just like their last album.

Anonymous (October 8, 2002)

Their - someone's
They're - They are
There - location

Good review but jesus frickin' christ, how the heck is anyone going to take you seriously if you can't write?

Anonymous (October 8, 2002)

filler.....? i have never associtaed that word with HWM.
Also, I dont like Scott either. What are you gonna do when you graduate school? Write reviews for a punk website and make zero dollars?...walk it of, deek

Anonymous (October 8, 2002)

'untitled' is 'perfect sense', but you probably figured that out already.

kirbypuckett (October 8, 2002)

Cheers to 'untitled' songs!

And c'mon leave the other Scott alone already, he's doing most of the work around here. Despite being in college he still gets his shit done on time. So quit your bitchin'

- Scott
(Psst...It's Untitled Website)

Anonymous (October 8, 2002)

Scott weren't you going to bed?

maverick (October 8, 2002)

since when do I work at punkrocks.net?


Hamish (October 8, 2002)

I can't wait to get my greedy little fingers on this. Too bad my bank account statement reads "-$20.83." Goddamn, I really want this CD.

maverick (October 8, 2002)

I love it when the comments sections turn into a "bash Scott" fest.

Bring it on, kids!

You're all a bunch of faceless pussies.

Like I said before, this album's alright, but it's no "No Division."

I'm going to bed now.


Anonymous (October 8, 2002)

First off, Kudo's on the review. Very well written, unbiased and informative. Unlike a fellow reviewer by the name of Scott whos reviews are as band as his opinions on music in general. Scott, please stop posting comments and writing reviews... Let Wyzo do them for you cause he does a hell of a lot better of a job

Anonymous (October 8, 2002)

sorry, my info for the last review:
Keith at h2osweat7@yahoo.com
Send all disagreements, and stuff there. Thanks.

Anonymous (October 8, 2002)

Uh, no offense to Mr. Punkrocks.net staffer, Scott, but if you really think that this album had more filler than previous CD's you HAVE to be listening to a different CD than I did. I have enjoyed this CD more than any other this year, including other favorites by thrice and pedro the lion. This CD is a change, because of a cleaned up vocal style. However, the choruses are written incredibly well, the song structure is awesome as always, and there is more energy in this release than I have heard in a long time. I really dont see how anyone could ever say that this CD isnt amazing, let alone accussing it of being filler (unless you're narrow-minded, and never allow the freedom to expand and improve their sound, forever condemning them to a restricted and pigeon-holed existence.

Tahoejeff (October 8, 2002)

Good review! I saw these guys at warped, never really listened to em, but when epitaph started streaming the album on its site I gave it a listen and was really blown away, this album kicks ass!!

StabbingGoldfish (October 8, 2002)

I agree. It's really difficult to get into a band with so many releases. I go to a HWM show owning 2 of thier cds and I know one song they play. I love the cds I have by them but sheesh, they have quite a collection of discs. I'm in college my wallet can't afford it.

maverick (October 8, 2002)

What, no Calvin and Hobbes comic?


This album is okay, but there's too much filler [as usual]. I still believe that the band's best album is "No Division," and the reason why is because they actually had *down time* before the album.

I bet if this band took 2 years to write and record an album, it would be fucking amazing. As it stands, each album is done in less than a year and has a couple amazing tracks ["Remedy" and "Trusty Chords," in this CD's case], with the rest being mediocre-to-good.

Hot Water Music, take a breather, for the good of the scene.

Good review, though, Grant - it makes me want to listen to it again so I can prove myself wrong.


Anonymous (October 8, 2002)

good review, picking this up tomorrow

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