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Pennywise: Land of the FreeLand of the Free (2001)
Epitaph Records

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Contributed by: TheOneTrueBillTheOneTrueBill
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While commenting on a Deviates album, I was inspired by the antics of an anonymous poster to write a review of this album. This is what I've thought since the album came out, and what I'll probably think till the day I expire. I know I'll get slagged to no end, but this is what had to be done. .
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While commenting on a Deviates album, I was inspired by the antics of an anonymous poster to write a review of this album. This is what I've thought since the album came out, and what I'll probably think till the day I expire. I know I'll get slagged to no end, but this is what had to be done.

Pennywise is the band that got me into punk rock. About Time was the first punk CD I ever bought, and I cherish it to no end. Some of the finest music ever made is on that album. They continued on strong through 2 albums and one death (if you're reading this, you should already know this stuff), but in 2001 they hit a wall.

Want to know what happens when a band gets too political for their own good? They become Pennywise circa 2001. Instead of writing deeply personal lyrics that are relatable, Jim spews on about the WTO, American policy, and religion. How the hell can a non-politicaly charged kid have anything to do with these? From "Perfect People" (the song that basically has driven my life) to "Land of the Free" the band managed to lose most of what made them so great. Leave the bullshit politics to Anti-Flag (don't get me started on them).

Next, the production and music itself. Does it sound like the band was trying to re-create the first Minor Threat 7" to anyone else? The entire thing sounds muddy, which is great to for when that's the best you can get, but come on, even the first record sounded better and clearer than this. Flat drums, barely audible bass, and bad tone on the guitar makes it seem like you're hearing the band through a wall. Jim's voice sounds like its coming though a mic from 1963. Some may love this "retro" sounding shit, but as you can see, I don't. It seems as if Fletcher hit a wall with the riffs too. they all seem recycled from past releases (I dare you to tell me that "Twist of Fate" and "It's Up To You" don't sound like second rate Straight Ahead outtakes). The soloing is getting better, but what good are improving solos in mediocre songs? "Fuck Authority" manages to rip off TSOL and Wasted Youth within a span of 3 mintues and 16 seconds.

The only tolerable songs are "Time Marches On" and "The World." Each time I try to listen to this in its entirity I end up getting halfway through then turn it off.

Having said all that I have to, I haven't lost all faith in Pennywise, (even as recently as January they still own any stage they take, and nothing can take away from the genious of the first 12 years of their career). My expectations for future releases are just much lower.

 

 
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punk_rawker (October 3, 2006)

this is probably my least fav pennywise album, but still a good listen, i really like fuck authority dont no why nobody else does,

NotDead (February 16, 2006)

sad to see most of you arent massive fans of the album im sure u hav ur reasons i think this is fantastic Fuck Authority i feel is an amzing song along with My God, nd Anyone Listening the whole albums full of catchy chorus lines and messages brilliant!

Anonymous (October 22, 2005)

"As for the politics, I don't mind bands throwing in a bit of that here in there but to me, it gets to be a trend. I know folks that will say, "Yeah man, fuck the WTO" and I'll say, "What's the WTO and why don't you agree with it". "

The WTO is all about making the world safe for greedy capitalist bastards. THe WTO allows them to ignore trade laws move thier fucking operation all over the world in order to exploait the poorest misereble people of the world.

But nationalism and fucking border patrols keep the people from moving to find better economic conditions. Its all about helping the rich get richer and keeping the poor poor.

I hated the WTO LONG before I ever heard any band talk about how it sucked. In fact it is the politics of punk that makes it so apealing to me. Fuck our leaders because our leaders have fucked us.

Want to know some nice things abput how the government supports the capitalists and helps to crush the common people? Just check out 'the battle of seattle' a protest agianst the WTO.

The police beat the protesters gassed them, locked them up and tortured them, all in the defense of world trade. Ive watched video footage of a policeman kicking a protester in the balls and then kick him while he was on the ground.

Fuck World trade and fuck the state, you may have no Idea, but I have my reasons.

Anonymous (July 7, 2005)

"If you really know and like punk you have to think in the same way as the reviewer. Very good review."

That's the single most retarded comment I've ever heard. Especially from someone claiming to be a "punk"

Anonymous (December 28, 2004)

I used to like Pennywise. Full Circle is the first album I got by them and it will always be my favorite, but I have to agree with whoever said the Pennywise just keeps releasing the same album over and over again. With very few exceptions, most every song on every album is so similiar to the others. There is this total "Pennywise sound" which is great, I can pick up any of their cds and feel comfortable with the sound and know I'll like it, but it's never anything that will get me totally interested and excited. It's nice to have a "sound" but it's even better if you can have that sound but still be semi eclitic in your song writing.

Anonymous (October 21, 2004)

If you really know and like punk you have to think in the same way as the reviewer. Very good review.

MindThink (July 11, 2004)

LOL, it's good to see an honest review to tell you the truth, not that I agree with all of it, but can definitely respect it. You have several good points(ie. the recycled riffs, Fletcher is notorious for this) and they have definitely gotten preachy enough about the politics that something has been lost. It's funny you mention Antiflag, cause that is the first band that comes to mind when I think bitchy, emotional politipunk. With this said, they're notablly better musicians than Antiflag can ever hope to be, but I agree this album could have been better.

Analog_Boy (August 6, 2003)

So... i'm on this site way to much. I was reading a review for the deviates alblum 'my life' and I came across...theonetruebill's comment:

"HEY BRO!!! I HATE TO TELL YOU, BUT NOT EVERYONE LOVES IT!

the production sounds like thier trying to recreate the first Minor Threat 7", which worked for minor threat, but not for pennywise... and the lyrics suck too. nothing relatable.

i think i'm gonna write a review for it now"

Meh.. I have no clue why I posted it. I just think this alblum sucks, but not enough to get a one star rating. Maybe theonetruebill was fueled by a small urge of anger by the person who posted before him in the deviates review and decided to give this cd an unfair rating. .. or then again I think and read to much and this cd just really does suck.

Anonymous (April 16, 2003)

o yeah and not even half the albums political so get over it!

Anonymous (April 16, 2003)

pennywises albums are all different, self titiled to unknown road, unknown road to about time, about time to full circle, to straight ahead, to land of the free? what the hell they all sound so different, jims voice has changed through time and the lyrics for LOTF are deep and meaningfull, and plain and simply true, they make some great points. fuck all you LOTF haters its a deep, catchy, heavy punk album, sometimes the more powerful punk is not fast.

Anonymous (April 2, 2003)

pennywise just keeps on making the same cd over and over again. and the funniest part is that its just as bad as in the begining.

Anonymous (March 4, 2003)

Why the half part of the reviews of this album are with 1 point and the other part with 10? Did anybody ever listened that album? Fuck poli-tricks, fuck music, fuck reviews, listen to the music, goddamn it!
oh, by the way who cares about money? If you do, it's because you don't have it and you're greedy asshole!

Anonymous (January 14, 2003)

I own PW's first 5 LP's and they are all really cool-Straight Ahead was one of the first Cd's I got when I was 14 and just getting into punk. Well as you can imagine I was pretty happy when I heard this was coming out, just a couple years after, however in that short space of time PW's charm and my obsession with them had faded and after seeing the video for Fuck Authority I thought Fuck Pennywise, that song is too incredibly gay for words, and due to that I have decided to never waste my money on Land of the Free, even though The World on PO7 is pretty good.

Anonymous (December 31, 2002)

I think that anyone who says this album sucks doesn't like Pennywise or punk rock. You like Bad Religion? You'd like Pennywise. Unless you like BR on The New America, then go by Good Charlotte or some crap. PENNYWISE IS AMAZING AND SO IS THIS ALBUM..

Anonymous (November 12, 2002)

blah blah blah the government sucks. Hey lets write more fast power chord songs about the government. Yay! this record sucks. pennywise should break up

RightCliqificus (October 24, 2002)

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RightCliqificus (October 24, 2002)

Have you guys heard any Pennywise CD before? They all have talk of Politics in them. You thought "Land of the Free?" should pick up where Straight Ahead left off. Um. It did. Straight ahead has quite a lot of political conent if you actually listen to it. I'm not sure what everyone's problem is with the production on this record, cuz all they did was make it heavier. its way heavier than they ever had it before. I think it sounds badass.

Anonymous (October 23, 2002)

Of course politics suck, but Pennywise are railing AGAINST politics!

Anonymous (October 23, 2002)

i agree this alblum sounds like crap, i love pennywise, but this cd at first made me want to burn all of my shirts, but then i also listened to the older records and had faith that next time they will spend more time, i expected to here a pickup from straight ahead, instead we got this political garbage, politics sucks, but every song ???

Anonymous (October 23, 2002)

All

Anonymous (October 23, 2002)

Kill

Anonymous (October 23, 2002)

george mcgovern is the shit.

Anonymous (October 23, 2002)

You're all insane next please!

Anonymous (October 23, 2002)

Hey dumb fucjk, my point was that ALL politicans are peices of shit, I was just focusing on the one causing the most bullshit at the moment. Tipper is a conservative religious cunt. Her husband is a fukcing robot. And Bush is a redneck bigot of whom a 4th grader would beat in a spelling contest. Kill 'em all. I'm tired of this fucking lame shit.

Anonymous (October 22, 2002)

I love it when folks say Bush is full of this because Fat Mike says so. All politicians are full of shit, not just conservatives. Are you forgetting it's the Democrats (Tipper Gore) that tried to censor music??????? It's a hoax that Democrats are somehow better than Republicans. They're all full of shit. WAKE UP AND PUT DOWN YOUR ANTI-FLAG CD!

Anonymous (October 22, 2002)

Even if you hate the music, this cd is cool because it attacks conservative and corporate america. Therefore you must admit it's good. I happen to like the tunes so it workso ut on both levels for me. This is a punk board right? You do all know Bush is full of shit right?

Anonymous (October 22, 2002)

WTH ANTI-FLAG and Pennywise OWN SO STFU

Anonymous (October 22, 2002)

Pennywise has talent this cd is awesome you ppl that diss Pennywise are all pricks that are only stuck in a one demension one what ppl think...the majority is all you care about...fuck that...the lryics in this cd are good real good i was actually listening to this cd forever..and if you say i listen to blink and gc whatever you say but actually im more into the Anti-Flag, Red Reaction, The Code, The Clash, Less than Jake, Pain , The Chinkes. so dont try to say i listen to nfg, gc and crap like that i actually hate alot of the pop generations but i make exceptions since i like Thursday and Takeing Back Sunday...

-DontCareWhatYouThink!

Anonymous (October 22, 2002)

These guys dissing Pennywise probably listen to garbage like New Found Glory, Allister, the Exploited or Good Charlotte. Pathetic.

Anonymous (October 22, 2002)

Pennywise=stupid,fat,drunken,longhaired,sports punk? ,stupid lyrics,stupid message,stupid songs,stupid label,stupid fans,stupid period. Next please!

Anonymous (October 22, 2002)

It seems as if Fletcher hit a wall with the riffs too. they all seem recycled from past releases

Actually, I disagree. It was common knowledge for me that Pennywise recycled everything from lyrics to riffs when they wrote a song. All of the songs have 1 of 4 Pennywise themes, and that's the problem for me. Verses have ended on the words "time" and "day" all too often.

Believe it or not. A part of me has always liked Pennywise. I've liked them since About Time, like the reviewer. In fact, I still listen to Land of the Free? every now and then. But to do this I had to accept the fact that Pennywise will never write anything new. This is simply my opinion, but I'm almost positive I'll get shit for this.

Bryne (October 21, 2002)

The people talking about Amen several posts down are right. Check out their album "We Have Come For Your Parents." It's good stuff.

Anonymous (October 21, 2002)

No fuck pennywise actually!

Anonymous (October 21, 2002)

I'd rather see kids getting into punk through listening to pennywise than through hearing Jimmy eat world and new found glory on some fucked up music hit show. Pennywise is a stepping stone for up and coming punk rock enthusiasts and should be respected by kids who are into this music, at very least they aint spurting out some emo bullshit about breaking up with the same girl for the past 4 albums. in regards to the album, it aint the greatest, but it aint that different from their other records, if they had of released this 7 years ago and released about time now, you'd be blubbering on about how much about time sucked and how "fuck authority" was such an inspirational track for you back in the days.

FUCK NOSTALGIA.

dongrom (October 21, 2002)

"Borntolose" is exactly right: most Punks are a bunch of hypocrites--a group changes, you yell "sell out", a group stays the same, you yell "boring." To do that is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Donovan

Anonymous (October 21, 2002)

Pennywise has stayed with thier sound, no doubt about that, but there is a difference between sticking to thier guns while playing the same shit over and over without evolving over many years and sticking to thier guns showing more experience and better song writing. They are the same band today I saw 10 years ago.

borntolose (October 21, 2002)

Andd....Most people complain when a group "sells Out" and changes their style....Now people, "punks" of all people are complaining because a band has stuck to their guns and have NOT changed their music.

Theres no pleasing any of you so fuck off, this album is just as good as the rest.

borntolose (October 21, 2002)

Pennywise being compare to Anti-flag is such a terrible thing my cat died. Anti-flag sucks more than Randy Moss's personality.

Anonymous (October 21, 2002)

pennywise=good

Anonymous (October 21, 2002)

pennywise = bad

Anonymous (October 20, 2002)

Yeah, Amen is fucking Punk Rock to the bone! I can see now that some little kids who listen to Nofx and NFG are gonna come on here and say it's metal. HA! they don't know punk rock. Punk Rock is just Metal pushed ten times more violent, louder, and more intense.

Anonymous (October 20, 2002)

Check out the band Amen, they play a new kind of punk rock sound with intensity similar to Black Flag and Dead Kenneyds. check 'em out, may single handedly rejuvinating the music industry.

Anonymous (October 20, 2002)

Jock Rock? Sounds like a label that little jaded high school kids give to bands that have fans who workout. How lame. I mean, I will admit that some of "party" kind of people may have listened to PW when I was in High school, they never got the meaning of the lyrics, they were just stupid and listening to it cause they thought they were cool. PW can't help if they have fans like that, shit, they don't sing about beer and chicks do they? No they don't.

Anonymous (October 20, 2002)

"Punk" is only called "punk" because authorities labeled it a threat. Real "punk" is anything but childish my friend. Childish is going along with everything everyone says and giving in, that is childish. Resistence and expressive rage are tools of a mature and intelligent human....while conformity and "ask no questions" attitudes are childish, I think you need to get your shit together. Green Day, The Offspring, Blink? They are all good pop bands, not punk bands. I think only very few bands actually still carry the punk torch today. So, the scene of punk is dead, but there are some newer and small unknown bands right now that are playing a new kind of music with the real "punk" ideals, which has been missing fr so long. As for pennywise, they are a punk band, mainly due to their resistence and lyrics.

Anonymous (October 20, 2002)

I have always liked Pennywise. All their songs do have the same sound but that's not so bad is it? I call them the "AC/DC of punk rock" because the have a formula just like AC/DC does.

As for being "punk", I think it's childish. Punk wasn't a trend when I was into it. It was for us that didn't like the mainstream and now "punk" has become the mainstream. Punk was always catchy as fuck. Listen to any old punk rock and it was catchy. Maybe not as poppy as Blink, Green Day, etc., but lets face it, if music doesn't grab you and isn't "catchy", it's hard to get into. I think folks mistake "catchy" for "pop" and that's not the case.

Listen to "The World" and listen to the chorus. That's more catchy than any Blink 182 song I've ever heard. I actually liked this CD a lot and thought to myself "it's about time Pennywise cut the bullshit and released a good CD".

As for the politics, I don't mind bands throwing in a bit of that here in there but to me, it gets to be a trend. I know folks that will say, "Yeah man, fuck the WTO" and I'll say, "What's the WTO and why don't you agree with it". They really have no answer. They only know Pennywise, Anti-Flag, etc. are against it so they think they should too. Hypocrisy at it's finest. Punk in itself has trend setters and followers and it's disgusting.

If you like it great. If you don't fine. If the music moves me and I like it, I don't care what "lable" they're given. About Time and Unknown Road are classics and if most of the songs on Land of the Free weren't about politics and bitching, I'd like it even more.

Anonymous (October 20, 2002)

uh oh say can you seeeeeeeeeeee!! by the dawn's . . . . ah fuck america. and pennywise rocks. i don't give a shit if all their albums sound the same. they still rock.

waste_elite (October 20, 2002)

if you think human rights is something that the USA cares about, think again. just look at their inconsistent track record. we help people out if it is in our interest (ie: more money, more leverage, more power) but turn our head when there isn't anything in it for us. don't trick yourself into thinking we do things out of the goodness of our hearts.

Anonymous (October 20, 2002)

Pennywise = Jock rock at its best
LAME!

Anonymous (October 20, 2002)

PW suck

Most arrogant bastards ever!

Anonymous (October 20, 2002)

I don't get it, first you "punks" bag on a band for changing it's sound, and now you bag on a band for not changing it's sound. It's hilarious. In my own humble opinion i think it is betterto always be changing your sound and trying out new things, but PW is a solid band nonetheless. But still, exploration in sound is the key to growth, ive always felt that way.

Anonymous (October 20, 2002)

Fletcher bags on Bad Religion? Everything I've ever heard from every person in PW is that they all adore bad Religion, you must be full of shit. I mean, i don't like the fact that pennywise has a soft side for the poppy bands (They do support Blink and a few others) but shit man, the music is still good, i mean, in my opinion, their best albums were "Word From the Wise" through "About time", but since Jason's death they've still been great. Pennywise really can't miss. I mean they have changed their sound over the years, just look,"S/T" was so Cal Surf Punk at it's best, "Land Of The Free" has a more metallic and heavy edge to it. They have changed and their message has stayed relevent. You don't HAVE to like "Land Of The Free?" but nonetheless, you must admit it's a solid record from a consistently solid band. Pennywise records are always consistent, you must admit and you can count on them for a certain message and sound.

Anonymous (October 20, 2002)

First of all, you're a fucking idiot.

1. Fletcher ALLOWS? Yeah, I mean, Pennywise hasn't been with Epitaph since 1990 or anything. It's not like he has some long-term relationship with the label that got his band out there. That's a label move that he has nothing to do with. Big fuckin' shit if Sony distros his label in Japan. They distro EVERYTHING in Japan. They ARE Japan.

2. Pennywise charges about 10k to play a show. Consider that the venues they play at hold 2,000 and they never charge more than $15 a ticket (usually its $12), that's not high at all. And tell me one time Fletcher has refused to play a gig because of a monetary reason. Name me one time motherfucker. PW plays free shows in SoCal all the time -- usually for local kids who need the money or who's family needs the money.

3. I have never seen Fletcher beat the shit out of anyone who disagrees with him. Despite what you make thing of his appearance, Fletcher does not go around picking fights with people who think differently than him.

4. Other than Vans, PW has no relationship with the companies you mentioned.

I'm done replying to your questions as I realize you're a tard anyway who's just going to reply with something dumb.

Anonymous (October 20, 2002)

Pennywise SUCKS!
Plain and simple kiddies.........
I've always loved watching that drunken longhaired fat ass Fletcher brag about how always stay indie and true to the punk scene and never support the majors etc,etc,and what in the fuck does he do?
1.He allows Epitaph to distribute and release his records thru Sony(probably the biggest fucking corporation out there)
2.He demands over 10-15 grand a fucking show(probably more)and will refuse to play if he doesn't get it
3.Him and all his bro's will beat the shit out of you if you don't agree with him or his lame ass antics of what punk is and should be
4.He bags on all major label acts or corporate sponsored types but he's the first one in line licking the crack in their asses(MTV,Kid Rock,ESPN,Sony Playstation,HBO,ETC,ETC)
5.He talks about brotherhood and all that bullshit but then he bags on bands like Bad Religion(old!) for whom Pennywise blatantly ripped off and Blink 182(yawn!)for whom he sure doesn't mind making a guest appearence with
6.He sure doesn't mind getting the best sponsorships out there too(Levi's,Vans,Quicksilver,Guitars,Amplifiers,etc,etc)and so many more
In a nutshell,
I somewhat used to like Pennywise until I realized what a bunch of fucking lying hippocrites they were and still are.Plus,their records all do sound the same now and have just as gotten boring and redundent as all the rest of the so called major acts that he crucifies to the tilt.
Pennwise are the death of punk which in my honest opinion died a long,long,long time ago...............................
Next please!

Anonymous (October 20, 2002)

Some kiddies on this site are seriously fucked in the head, they are all patritotic and shit. It sickens me to see what punk has become. I thought it was about NOT being a drone for government and religion.

Anonymous (October 20, 2002)

Idiot, if your not into pun kwhat r u doing here?

Anonymous (October 20, 2002)

Pennywise = bro-core

"Leave the bullshit politics to Anti-Flag (don't get me started on them)."

ahaha, yes, this was funny...nice comment...

and to BostonMusicGuy...that's because most of the people on this website are assholes and don't tolerate differences...

and yes, i'm an asshole too, but I agree with you...still, when these "punks" like bands like Anit-flag it makes me wonder what is wrong with this world...

Jimi

Anonymous (October 20, 2002)

Damn, you must believe everything you see on Tv, I work with the peace corp, and the whole "dropping packages of food" is a lie.

BostonMusicGuy (October 20, 2002)

OK, first of all, yes punks are different from the rest of the country. But inside our little punk world we are all the same. You all think the same, act the same, hate the same things, complain about the same issues, its like you were all created by the same computer or something. And, I think, it has something to do with acceptance in the community of punks. As soon as someone says something different or does something they dont like they turn on them and immediately shun them for being different from them. If you dont believe this check out my sum41 review (the second most read on this site). As soon as I said I enjoyed some sum41 stuff I was immediately labeled as not punk (even though Im not and dont ever claim to be). I was told I should die, I was told I was hated, I was told that there was no reason for me to live. This doesnt seem like accepting differences to me. If punk is about being different and accepting differences why is it that we all make fun of someone that is different and tell them they should die? Punk ethics are bullshit in the 21st century. Accept that.As for the rest of your comment, yea, there is a lot of things that suck really big ass about our foreign policies and the way we treat other countries. But what about when we went to war against I raq for Kuwait, what about when we were seaching for Osama Bin Laden but were feeding citizens of Afghanistan and sending down packages upon packages of food and supplies to the citizens that were told since day one that we were the enemy and that they were supposed to grow up, learn to use a gun, and kill us. What about all the times we fight for 3rd world countries like Somalia back in the mid 90's. I agree there is a lot we need to work on but those things are going to take time and some, I dont think, have a solution that is in the best interest of both parties... and the new punk ethics tell us to watch out for yourself and fuck everyone else.-BostonMusicGuy

waste_elite (October 20, 2002)

my main gripe with america is not within the borders. yeah, there ARE serious problems here. social inequality, rampent greed, consumer culture, poverty, crime, prejudice, pollution, corruption, waste and so on. all of these things pale in comparison to the way we treat the rest world. i'm sick and tired of america bending the world over and fucking it in the ass. goddamn, read some zinn or chomsky and watch your american pride fly out the window.

don't think for one moment that i am not grateful for the priviliges i have. i could be in some 3rd world country living under a gun but i am not. i live where i am allowed to speak my mind and express myself freely (something i do not take for granted). yet i am not proud of this. why should i be proud of the fact that i am relatively privileged while families are starving to death somewhere in northern africa or south america because of US government enforced sancctions. or maybe i should be proud of our wonderful support of genocide in guatemala. all in the name of "US interests". the bottom line is, having pride in a country is fucked up unless you think it's ok to be proud of pillaging and killing.

patriotism is a tool of control.

and as for this quote: "Punk is supposed to be about being different well it seems to me you are all the same". actually, we are different. do you think that the general public believes what i believe? we are in the vast minority here. it's the people with your mentality that are a dime a dozen in america.

BostonMusicGuy (October 20, 2002)

Yea I definitley agree... a false sense of patriotism over run our country for 3 months following sept 11. This doesnt make it stupid just a little bit too bandwagon.-BostonMusicGuy

Anonymous (October 20, 2002)

im agreeing with the reviewer on this one, i love "about time" and my first pennywise cd was "straight ahead" this one does seem a little flat. and along with the "politics" i liked how they incorporated that but i also think they are just playing on the general mall punk's view of the government and how your supposed to "hate it" and "destroy it" instead of going out to change something. and dont get me started on why Al Gore scared me more then king George, two words Joeseph Liberman, anyways ... the music on the cd lacked the lyrics to most of the songs lacked i thought the brett penned "who's on your side" was the strongest and what the hell was up with the "f**k authority" on the back of the printed cd/lp jacket? thats a little conformist to the man eh?

Vien (October 19, 2002)

Being patriotic in america is a little wierd. Right after Sept. 11, it was like "YEAH, AMERICA RULES BABY!!!!", and all of a sudden you see american flags in every corner. It's odd, because if you observe other countrys like england or china for example, thier patriotic symbols are everywhere all the time. America is funny.

Who wants to play pac man?

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

The fact that this record came out over a year before September 11th should make you thing differently about it. All these songs you just deem as "political" rambling were all pointing to the crazy shit that happened and that eerie insight found throughout the album gives it a damn high ranking in my book.

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

I somewhat agree with you on the political stuff being not so good on this record, but TOTALLY not on the production. It's the fuckin' crispest sound punk rock record I've heard in a while. The production blows almost everything away and has tons of balls. Listen to songs like Whose Side Your On and Divine Intervention and tell me otherwise.

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

Pennywise is dumbed down, ESPN2 skate rock crap, that is preaching "anarchy" and "political awareness" to a bunch of people who could give two shits less. I've never known anyone with ANY intelligence that was capable of listening to that cookie cutter crap. Its hard to believe that a notorious party band is now getting serious. I guess when they got to age 40, they figured it was time to reflect on whats wrong with America? Pennywise was, is, and always will be a piece of crap video game soundtrack band, that keeps releasing records to people who don't know what punk rock is. Their drunken antics on Loveline a few years ago was enough to make me want to puke. Pennywise!? You've got to be kidding!! Fucking starter punk for 13 year olds. Terrible, terrible shit... pointless, horrible shit. And to you people that are going on about "America: Love it or leave it"... FUCK YOU. I'm not waiving some fucking flag to support some good ol' boy, war mongering, oil baron disguised as our "commander and chief". Dubya is going to get us in so much shit when we invade Iraq... fuck it all.

punky (October 19, 2002)

They did write some political songs, and mentioned religion in their lyrics prior to this release...

Don't get me wrong, this album isn't special at all, its just that I would still listen to one crappy political band then 10 bands that sing love songs.

Yeah and patriotism sucks...

BostonMusicGuy (October 19, 2002)

sorry... the first thing i said was supposed to say "isnt perfect" not "is perfect"... -BostonMusicGuy

BostonMusicGuy (October 19, 2002)

Like I said this country is perfect... but i dare you to find a country that is. Yea its got its problems. But I ask you to give me written proof in a VALID source that tells me that there are children making these sneakers that cost so much. Also, if the country is wrong for charging that much for sneakers who are the idiots that buy them? Yea us... maybe not you, but there are citizens of america that spend 120-200 on a pair of sneakers that "cost $1 to make". So I ask you, who is at fault there.You tell me what the fucking problem is with tobacco and fast food. Id love to hear your explanation for that. Tobacco because its addictive... people know that and thanks to those annoying Truth adds there are more and more people aware of that fact everyday and all the problems that they cause... but who keeps buying them? Us. Fast Food, I dont know what your problem is with that. thats pretty fucking ridiculous if you ask me.This country has its problems... I know that. But tell me what the problem is with providing jobs for millions and millions of people everyday. Yea maybe they arent getting paid too well but they are getting paid... better than how they were doing before they came to the "land of opportunity". You dont leave somewhere for another country if you are doing well. If you have a good job you dont come to another country to find something better.Get off the stupid ass punk "I hate this country" bandwagon because its not impressing me or anyone. Punk is supposed to be about being different well it seems to me you are all the same. I hear the same arguments over and over. Same complaints, same bitching and whining. I love the music and idea of punk... i just wish that SOMEONE would live by the ethics still. Yea punk is about sticking it to the man but you arent going to be doing that by sitting online bitching and moaning on punknews.org. Get out and do something. I for one am glad I can say that I am active as fuck in my punk community. I am trying to get my name out there and help people out because I love this music and everything about it. I just think all of you need to grow up and get a fucking clue about real life.-BostonMusicGuyOh and how can a brain possibly be bullshit...??

Vien (October 19, 2002)

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

i have to wonder if fat tony lives in america....if he does, i suggest he moves to south africa, or northern ireland, or afghanistan, or iraq or heck really any 3rd world country. there are some places where the vast majority of people worry about much more important issues than fast food on a day to day basis. yeah, this country has some pretty huge problems to get straight but no one HAS ever or IS ever going to get it perfect.....and for the person advocating the abolishment of the existence of countries (however you propose to do so), no offense but i really don't think anarchy has ever worked out too great either. apparently you never read to the end of lord of the flies...

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

Bostonmusicguy believes in censorship, read his comment on the new LOC sory. What a peice of shit you are bostonmusicguy, die you restricitve pussy. As of now your comments on this board and on all boards have lost all credibility. You are as dumb as a bag of rocks.

FatTony (October 19, 2002)

Oh yeah, this albums not so hot either. =)

FatTony (October 19, 2002)

Patriotism is for idiots, because most patriotic people are ones who chose to ignore the truths that the good ol' USofA exploits any other country it can to no end. I know I can't be proud of a country that's sells ridiculously expensive shoes that cost less than a dollar to make, thanks to the wonder of child labor. Ok, so maybe the USA didn't make the shoes, but they let it happen.

But let's not forget the fact that the vast majority of corporate America's bigwigs are white middle-aged men who run companies that pay dirt wages to the people who saw this country as "the land of opportunity." All men are created equal my ass.

Then, there's the problems with homelessness, tobacco, fast food, homophobia, racism, medical assistance programs (Canada's got us fuckin beat on that one)...well, there's just way too many things wrong with this country to list, and most people just turn a blind eye to it.

Whatever. I'm going to do homework now.

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

You are a sorry soul my friend. I have never met anyone so ignorant and unintelligent. If you strip away all the bullshit, you would see that i am right. This country is bullshit and so is your brain. Sorry pal, but you gotta accept the truth.

BostonMusicGuy (October 19, 2002)

That is why countrys are bullshitIf this isnt the bigget piece of unintellegent crap that I have ever read. That is ridiculous... so you want the world to be one big country... oh forget it. What do I expect of people on this site. Dont love the country... thats fine with me but dont say its stupid to love it because its not. There is no need for everyone to love this country... or anyone to love it for that matter. But dont say its stupid to love it because there is nothing stupid about having pride in the place you live. and like Ken Casey said... "If cant be proud of your home, you better find a new one." (ok those may not be his exact words but I havent watched the video recently)-BostonMusicGuy

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

Patriotism is pathetic, George Bush is a complete and total moron with zero intelligence, America is a junkyard of fat people and fast food chains, and great music comes from here because greatest music fom this "Country" is usually against it or has ill feelings towards it.

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

yeah, like bostonmusicguy said. patriotism is the best! in fact, i often dream of an orgy consisting of george bush (Jr AND Sr) good old dick, throw in some ashcroft, uncle sam, and what the hell, for somethign different, hillary clinton!

-pat41

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

The country doesn't need to be untied you idiot, the whole human race should, not a country, the idea of a country is an idea of hate and prejudice. It is just a way of saying that "I'm different than you" when in reality you are not. That is why countrys are bullshit. There is no arguing it, sorry. The truth just might be painful to you people who cannot take the time to think about it.

BostonMusicGuy (October 19, 2002)

patriotism is for idiotswhy? because it gives people something to believe in in a time when our country really needs to be united? Because it gives us soemthing to be proud of? Because it gives us a reason to believe in something? Yea our country isnt perfect and they do a lot of things that they could maybe do different or better but its still a place to be proud of. To live in a country when you have so many freedoms unlike in other countries. To live in a place where there are infinite possibilities for growth and to do what you want to do. To feel proud of a country that provides you with your life, your money, your computer to go online and complain about all of these things. Yea its not perfect but its as good as you are going to find and I think we should all be thankful for it. You dont have to be proud of it but patriotism is not for idiots... you may not agree with it but just because you dont feel a certain way someone that feels differently is not an idiot for doing that. Its called opinion... something this country provides you the opportunity to express.-BostonMusicGuy

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

No you dont

TheOneTrueBill (October 19, 2002)

so by not liking one album by one of my favorite bands of all time, i don't like good music?

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

Me a dumb shit? HA! I'm not the one who doesn't like good music.

TheOneTrueBill (October 19, 2002)

"I think the onetruebill is a little kid and he just cannot relate to any of this because he's mommy an daddy tell him that it's not right. HA! You pathetic idiot, this music rules."

you're exactly what made me write the review you dumb shit...

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

Rancid better than Pennywise? No

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

this album is decent at least as good or better than any other pennywise record ive heard to date. but why is it that no punk band can release anything good after 1 or 2 cds. i dont think ive heard a good review for any band after their 2nd cd its like all of a sudden after you have 2 cds everything else is shit. why is it that punk bands cant get better(that is in the minds of many 'punks')?

Im a rocker. I rock out.

Vien (October 19, 2002)

Pennywise was one of my first punk rock bands I've listen to, but that dosen't mean I have to sell my soul to them, because of nostalgic purposes or whatever. People's music taste change, although they have written a few classics, I just don't know why people are tricked into buying the same album they released over and over. Rancid was also a first for me, but unlike pennywise, their song writing capabilities are limitless, and are worth listening to for years to come. Pennywise, you guys don't fool me.

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

Yes. Waste Elite, that's exactly the point ive been trying to make! thank you

waste_elite (October 19, 2002)

a few things:

-sickboi, your post was very accurate

-pennywise was the band that introduced me to punk rock as well so i refuse to knock em. their self-titled was the first punk record i ever bought and i listened to it religiously for the entire summer. i don't really listen to them anymore as my tastes have changed but i do occassionaly break out that disc for nostalgic purposes. all the slagging this band gets is completely unwarranted. they may not be the best band in the world, but they are far from the worst.

-i don't undserstand why people always bitch about political bands and their "bullshit politics". punk has always been political, where have you been? if you want real political bullshit, watch Bush in action. there's a sight to behold.

-patriotism is for idiots. seriously, what's with the whole "proud to be american" sloganeering? what are we proud of? being richer than other countries? fucking over the various peoples of the world? we're like the snobby rich kid in school that always gets his way. yeah, something to be proud of. patriotism is for sheep.

BostonMusicGuy (October 19, 2002)

I REALLY didnt like this album. I like Pennywise... sometimes... well I guess I dont really. Either way this album is still horrible in my opinion.-BostonMusicGuy

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

I think the onetruebill is a little kid and he just cannot relate to any of this because he's mommy an daddy tell him that it's not right. HA! You pathetic idiot, this music rules.

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

Full on, Pennywise is great and if you don't like them, you still have to admit, it's better than most of the other garbage being distributed.

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

Bands do change folks let's face it!
Why is it that anytime a bands sound veers into a slightly different direction they're called sellouts or wussies.I've never understood why these so called true fans can't accept that?
I like the fact that musicians are willing to take chances on their musical beliefs and are not afraid to show it to the public.
Since Pennywise is so often compared to Bad Religion let's take a look then shall we.
Bad Religion signs to Atlantic-they're called sellouts
Their music changes a bit and sells lots of records-they're called sellouts
Pennywise records are distributed through Sony overseas-they're called sellouts
Pennywise gets 15 grand a show-they're called sellouts
Bad Religions music varies into different directions-they're called sellouts
Now the same thing is happening to Pennywise-they're called sellouts
I have only one thing to say about both bands whichever one you prefer,
They're both great bands and and that's all there is to it.
Everyone may bitch all they want about the 2 of them but remember that when they're gone and it will be soon folks that you'd be hard fucking pressed to experience bands of this ilk ever again.
Love them and learn,do or die.

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

Vague politics, and the same album over and over again. Lets smash the state at the fucking warped tour. Anything this band has done Bad Religion all ready did a lot better (and honestly, BR isn't really that great) Sorry kids, just my opion. I guess im a Nationalist facist, or so Anti Flag would tell me so (who also suck)

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

I must say, I think "Wildcard/A Word From The Wise" is a great PW album ,that was the one before their "S/T", it's different, but it shows off Lindberg's excellent voice and it's got some great tunes.

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

"Although I do enjoy the occassional "Pennywise" and "Fight til' you die", I don't think I have to hear anything new from pennywise ever again. "

yup.

wyzo

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

"America" is just another way of seperating youself from another culture. All countrys are, if there were no "countrys" there would be no bashing of one country due to the actions of a few, like we are seeing now. Countrys are just peices of land, they really don't exist except in your head, if you think that you "need" a country you are a fucking idiot. Sorry, but sometimes the truth hurts kiddies.

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

Fuck being an "American", it's just a cult, just like any affiliation, be an individual, not a drone, you fool.

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

i liked their live cd...

WussEmoRock (October 19, 2002)

Their is nothing wrong with having an american flag on your car, I don't know about you, but I am proud to be an American.

*****Wuss-Emo-Rock*****

Vien (October 19, 2002)

Listen to the chord structure on the song "Bro Hymn", it's like you can play 20 different pennywise songs from those same chords. Although I do enjoy the occassional "Pennywise" and "Fight til' you die", I don't think I have to hear anything new from pennywise ever again.

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

You are right about the production on this cd. Definately not up to par. I agree with alot of the people on here that "about time" was one of their best but their S/T and Full Circle really do it for me.

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

darn no metalcore kid has come and bashed this yet. I DRINK LESS CAFFEINE

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

Pennywise doesn't have to make something new, but they can't keep rehashing the same songs they do. I agree with Scotty 2 Hotty and pick up Strike Anywhere's stuff. It's 1000 times better than this disc.

Ramo

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

The news? Then you ARE obviously a moron, the media is about as valid as George Bushes speeches. The media is a lying scum bucket, you get it kiddie? Or are u one of those patriotic idiots who wears an american flag on their car?

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

If this album is your idea of a wake up call, then you obviously don't pay attention to the news, and your obviously a moron. Please proceed to kill yourself.

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

If I want a political/social album to listen I'll put in something from Strike Anywhere or Good Riddance. I can actually enjoy their records.

-Scotty

Anonymous (October 19, 2002)

Pennywise also got me into punk, the best albums are "Pennywise" and "Unkown Road" and "About Time", but their new stuff is excellent. "Land Of The Free?" is a real wake up call to Amerca and if you aren't taking it seriously, you are a sorry excuse for an intelligent human being.

TheBouncingSoul (October 18, 2002)

Yeah, i liked this album for awhile....but that was because it was my first pennywise purchase.....after getting about time and straight ahead, this album looked like a big pile of dog shit

Anonymous (October 18, 2002)

Unknown Road is my personal favourite with About Time not far behind. Yes, Pennywise has not changed their sound too much over the years and that's cool, but it's nice to see some diversity every once in a while. Try something new and if it doesn't work so what. Make a kick ass formulaic record next time around. Bad Religion did it. Watch for Pennywise to turn it up a notch with a new album (hopefully in the near future).

Anonymous (October 18, 2002)

I like "unknown road" and "s/t" the most by far.

This record is awful. I have yet to make it through the whole thing and probably never will, because everything else they've done is 10 times better.

-Scotty

Anonymous (October 18, 2002)

I listen to Pennywise till the About Time era and I've never been ashamed to admit that I still like them a lot after 7 or 8 years. This record is not their best but come on, it's not that bad...

WussEmoRock (October 18, 2002)

damn good review, I agree with every word of it. About Time rocks, bu their live CD is complete shit. anyone else agree?

*****Wuss-Emo-Rock*****

sickboi (October 18, 2002)

(Not directed at reviewer)

I love how everyone todays loves to finally admit that Pennywise was one of the first bands they listened to, yet think they are now mundane and boring. Every album does sound the same, wanna know why? Because:

1. They have their own sound. Althought it sounds generic, and thats because its been ripped off so many times.

2. They have catchy music. Why fuck with a recipe that has worked so well for so long and impacted so many kids in respect to their listening choices.

I'm gonna start a new club....its now officially cool to like Pennywise again.

Bryne (October 18, 2002)

"Perfect People" is THE Pennywise song. I have About Time on vinyl, and it's good, but I've never been interested in anything else by this band.

Eddie (October 18, 2002)

I actually really like this CD...

Anonymous (October 18, 2002)

please disregard that last comment, i just found it

Anonymous (October 18, 2002)

this is totally unrelated to pennywise, and i apologise for that fact...

but can someone tell me the nofx song about vincent van gogh? i have been trying to remember but i cant.

Anonymous (October 18, 2002)

I don't really think the problem with this album was the political content and lyrics. I don't think it is possible to get TO political with your music. If you feel strongly about issues why the hell wouldn't you write about them. The downfall with this album is that through the past ten ought years they have not been able to improve their songs, they just recycle their old riffs with a little twist. Sure, the album isn't bad, i've heard a lot worse, all the elements of the band are incredible but it's just nothing new at all. I as well listened to the full album probalby a total of 3 times and then just tossed it back into the back of my cd collection...

Vien (October 18, 2002)

Pennywise was one of the first punk bands I've ever listened to and Possibly many of yours as well. The fact is that I haven't listened to a pennywise record for enjoyment in like 4 or 5 years, because they never put anything out original. If you heard one record, you heard them all.

pwfanatic (October 18, 2002)

being the huge pennywise fan that i am, i was a little disappointed by this cd. along with many of their other fans, i view about time as their best album. but land of the free isn't that bad. i wouldn't even consider it bad at all. its lyrics that are blantantly blunt done, the way that pennywise has always done it. the sound has changed a little...but one star?

Anonymous (October 18, 2002)

You're a total idiot. sure, "About Time" is better, as is "Pennywise" and "Unknown Road", but this album is exactly what this stupid fucking fat hypocritical country needed. Every song on this album is straight forward to the point and that fact that they got a song like "Fuck Authority" played on the radio is an accomplishment in itself to get this important message accross. I think you need to wake up to the REAL situation out there in the world. Sure, there is a time for just rockin', but there is also a time for an uprising, and that time is now. If you cannot see that then you are a sorry, sorry soul. Songs like "My God" and "Divine Intervention" nail on the religious bullshit that this country is so caught up in, "Fuck Authority" is for all the corrupt police forces (cough...LAPD...cough) and police brutality that happens every fucking day (I live here and trust me, it's worse than anyone thinks, racially profiling is rampant and it needs to stop!) and "Land Of The Free" simply tells the truth Do we live in the land of the free? No, we don't, we only have privilege, not freedom. You need to check your shit my friend. Just because you are busy singing along to songs about girls and heartbreak doesn't mean that GOOD music deserves to be bashed. That's my two cents!

Anonymous (October 18, 2002)

This was on the borderline. Easily forgetabble. I liked "Straight Ahead" and "About Time" better.

Ramo

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