I went through that aforementioned stage and I kind of agree that they're a great band to get started in punk rock. I completely disagree with this review 'cept for the bit about the live tracks. It bummed me out that they don't really play those songs live anymore, 'cuz I'd enjoy their shows a fuck of a lot more if they played more tunes off DFtG & ANKoA. I know the political shitg ets old but they're doin' good work and making decent music. I'd still go to their shows or buy a record.

Not there best but still good i liked it and think it was good for 10$ but nothing to write 10 paragraphs about there others are better only buy if your a fan oh and kid below me SHUT THE FUCK UP

I think that you punks who say " Oh if I had the chance I would make the world a better place and I would kill the government", well I say that Anti-Flag is doing a real good job in stating there opinion on what they think. I mean we all say we are going to do something about it but it never happens.......I mean come on these guys are expressing what they feel through music and well I think they do a good job at it. I mean alot of us get scared of standing up because we are scared of what the government will do to us. We all have a hard time admiting to it but it is true. I mean I am scared and I am not afraid to admit it...I mean I think they could do some real damage to our minds but that is where all of us punks need to stand and make a choice to either fight for what we believe in or sit behind enemy lines and watch as others do it...I will fight for what I believe and well I think that we all should. You may not want to here this but my hero is Martin Luther King Jr. Why you may ask...it is because he changed the world with one speech, he showed that he was commmited in making the world a better place......I have never seen a president ever try to make this world a better place I mean really. He had the courage to go through all the hatred people had towards him to change it......He died to let people know that he meant business in what he said, he knew that one day he would die because of what he said but he didn't care, he wanted to make this world better, to improve our little minds (back in that day), was his decision and well I believe he made a damn good one. I think Anti-Flag is just wanting to show that they can do the same with there songs and to tell you the truth I believe they have..I believe they have gone has far as they need and well we need to help with the rest, we need to stand for what we believe. I am going to try and go the distance and make a difference somehow in someway and I think you should too.
My opinion has been stated,
Sara

"A typical AF song can be summarized as "Oh, oh fuck the government. You're a facist. Fuck America.""

Totally false.

skrew you guys anti flag is awsome

and

and

the clash still sucks

anti flag is good.... awsome, call it a stage but i just like thier music. .....
the clash sucks

man isnt punk supposed to be about unity and acceptance i like anti-flag they were the fisrt punk band i ever saw live i will always like them and it just makes me sad that so many people who claim to be true punks will hate me cause i like them man fuck the politics for a minute these are my memories somthing i hold dear my first fuckin show and no i do not shop at hot topic and yes i do listen to crass and no i dont have a mohawk but i do wear an anti flag shirt somtimes why? you ask cause i bought it at the first show i ever went to and it even has a nifty hole in it where my dumbass friends thought it would be funny to set me on fire when i wasnt looking well anyway just sayin i respect everybodys opinion but fuck you if wanna diss me cause i like anti flag you assholes arent punks

this band sucks. them and international noise conspiracy should hang out and butt ram each other

Whoa.. I think I just passed an hour sitting here reading this Anti-Flag stuff. Im really burnt out right now and ill say that I had an anti-flag phase too. My phase was a new kind of army. I anti-flagged myself off that. I have listened to them since. I've heard 911 for peace a few times. Its ok. Ill give Anti-flag some credit, where credit is due.

"Somebody wrote below that capitalism and socialism don't work. The problem isn't the forms of government, it's the way leaders runs them."

Just thought I'd let you know, those are economic systems and not really forms of government as most socialist or capitalist countries are either democratic or a republic. As for Anti-Flag, they are a good band to listen to but live they are horrific. I don't want to goto a show to learn about 4000000 different issues that I already know about. They should pick one problem and stick to it.

"Well, I gotta go to a show. Have a fun night at the computers wathcing MTV online or something, geeks"

what's wrong with geeks? i guess i wouldn't understand your logic since you're supercool by going to a show.

i wanna add somethig to what i said below. Its not so much that america is a shitty place ( as in, to live) but is a shitty government in how it interacts with other nations in the world. Yes there are other nations besides the US.

thats a nice descriptive sentence you wrote there evil monkey dude about wombs and all but how many radical conversations do you have with infants?

Just because people oppose the president (especially since the pres is an illiterate redneck monkey) doesnt mean their promoting themselves as suitable candidates for presidency.

I'll take your comment and ammend it to make a better point:
Maybe if some of you guys were bitching about the government from the moment you got out of your mother's womb America wouldn't be such a shitty place.

Maybe if some of you guys weren't bitching about the government from the moment you got out of your mother's womb America wouldn't be such a shitty place.

Bottom line is if one of you people got elected president, we'd all be dead from nuclear radiation poisioning.

i agree

the[]mufin[]girl

Listen to Crass.

Listen to Propagandhi.

Somebody wrote below that capitalism and socialism don't work. The problem isn't the forms of government, it's the way leaders runs them. Some countries show pretty good results with capitalism and Cuba, under the circonstances, do quite good as well. Governments have to keep in mind that they have to act for the people first, not for their personnal ambitions or for those who gave money to their party.

"Well fuck your opinions"

wow, quite possibly the most stupid thing said in this whole thread.

punk isnt about your political point of view... if it was then it would be no differnt than any other elietist clique that punks are supposted to be against.

however if im wrong and punk is just about braindead people who refuse to think for themselves, then count me out.. i dont want to be a part of that

Being patriotic is good, as long as it doesn't mean you go blind. You can be absolutely patriotic and still rise against your country's acts. It's not a right in democracy to criticise your government, it's your duty. Americans have to force GW Bush to stop his plan to rise security to the detriment of freedom.

The only way to stop terrorism is to change the external politics of the country, because what terrorists (and most people in the world actually...) hate about America aren't the mini-skirts (or the people, as you may think), but the way the government disrespects the rest of the world, as if they weren't as "important" as the american people. Personally, I think the actual president is far more dangerous for the nation than any Ben Ladin. Maybe I won't convince you, but I hope it will make you think about it a little.

"but you dont get that... instead you get pissed off and label people as conservative fucks without even listening to what they ahve to say."

Fuck you! I didnt know "twat" gave me a chance. And yeah, fuck all of you "patriotic" punks. There is no such thing, besides mall punks. Yeah, "oh this is about opinion". Well fuck your opinions, because thats the first defence for when you ignorantly make fun of somebody else. Yeah, this site is about opinions- and my opinion is that patriotism should stay the fuck away from punk. Well, I gotta go to a show. Have a fun night at the computers wathcing MTV online or something, geeks.pussy.

don't rant about Anti Flag being the best band of all time and shit. please. yes, they put out albums about fucking the government and this and that. yahoo ya fuckin dumbasses. i'm totally all about freedom, just don't hate the kid posting below you cause he can't stand their fucking music and ranting on and on about the government. anti flag won't win any awards or change the world, and by you buying the CD and praising anti-flag as Gods won't change the world either. get off your asses and make a stand you fucking fashion posuers. stop hating.

How many many punk bands that have this much popularity talk about "anti-homophobia, anti-racism, anti-sexism". OBVIOUSLY NOT A LOT.ITS RARE TO ACTUALLY SEE BANDS LIKE THESE NOW A DAYS. ANTI-FLAG have BETTER CDS than this I agree but the live songs and songs LIke "right to choose", "911 for peace", and "Anatomy of your enemy" make it worth it. I rather listen to Anti-flag than those idiotic pop-punk and skater punk that talks about immature love songs or love songs in general. Love songs are the most ridiculous songs ever.

"twat got mad at me for saying capitalism is shit. What the fuck is this? PatrioticPunkNews.org?"

no, shithead, its opinionatedpunknes.org... a place where people can express their opinions without fear of their friends all hating them becasue thhey dont agree.. punk is supposed to support differences in opinion.... its all about supporting peoples ability to think.

but you dont get that... instead you get pissed off and label people as conservative fucks without even listening to what they ahve to say.

punk isnt about right or left wing opinions and belief its about coming to those opinions though thinking for yourself and not just listening to people like antiflag or george bush and mimicing their beliefs.

im sorry to go into the whol e"what is punk" thing.. but my god.. open your minds people and actually try and think about what you say

And stop saying "USA is freedom". From all the "rich" nations, it's probably the place where there is the less freedom. And that's especially true when the Republicans runs the country.

I really don't like AF, but their hate of police is justified.

Society doesn't need police. When police power grows, crime rate also grows. You can compare the United States vs Canada for exemple, but the situation applies anywhere in the world (at least in "rich" countries).

twat got mad at me for saying capitalism is shit. What the fuck is this? PatrioticPunkNews.org? I mean, I should be able to say "america is shit" wrether I live in a democracy or not. Yeah, so fuck the country that "lets me say" fuck this country. Because laws are only ideas and rights are not. But oh well, you can go back to listening to your mxpx and blink 182.

Anti flag does write some corny lame lyrics. No one can dispute that. Like "No justice, no peace, no racist police". But i like em cos i like "political" type punk, and i dont like that many bands cos i dont like bands that write song after song about their own personal boring crap like love songs and shit.

One band you have to hear before you die is Thought riot. Check out their site, listen to a song.Intelligent thooughtful powerful lyrics. In my opinion superior to AF.

YEAH!!! FUCK THE USA!!! YEAH!!! Fuck the country that lets us say fuck the USA!! Goddamn I hate all these freedoms I have! haha. Congrats dude! You are THE DUMBEST person in America now. I wish you were an appliance so I could just unplug you. Go fuck yourself. But first move. Then go fuck yourself. twat

capitalism democracy = shit (America)

"rascism is obviously good"
Excuse me? yeah that was a long way down there but, it struck me.

how is it a privilidge? ive earned the right to go to school by working for it.. in highschool i worked vaery hard to get in, and now i work very hard to pass and pay for it... im not lucky, im abmitious... and it sounds like you are too. sound slike youre not giving yourself enough credit either. im a huge fan of people being humble and not pushing their intelligence or whatever in other peoples faces (unless their antagonizing me)... but lets face it, we are working very hard right now, and will have earned everything we have when were old and slightly rich (one can hope, hehe)

and about the janitor thing.. yes they are important, but why does this mean its the private businesses responsibility to make sure the janitors family is paid for? sure it would be nice, but i dont see how the president of a company is responsible for his employees.. hes the one who created the company, its his to do with as he pleases (as long as no laws are broken).

i would like to see rich people giving more money to charities and paying their employees more, but i fail to see how it is their responsibility to do so... they earned the money and have thus earned the right to do with it as they please. as an employee, i am free to quit and get a better paying job.... yes for alot of people thats easier said then done, but again, why is it the duty of the private company's president to give a rats ass about that? (again, it would be nice... but shouldnt be expected)

anti-flag sucks.

the majority of people are dicks, so, of course, the majority of police are dicks, the majority of punks are dicks, and the majority of florists are dicks.

people who make generic statements about the american government overall badness are dumb. if you want to say that the american government isn't good, say it intelligently (anti-flag take note).

blah blah blah, most of you are idiots

"you should only listen to this band if you're in jr. high, otherwise you should be put against a wall and shot in the head."

so what you're saying is if you're in Jr High you should listen to this band, and if you're not in Jr High you should be put against a wall and shot in the head?

you should only listen to this band if you're in jr. high, otherwise you should be put against a wall and shot in the head.

Anti-Flag is one of the best bands around now. Sure, some of their songs may seem corny, but they really are full of meaning. It you think songs like Mumias Song and 911 for peace are stupid and bad, then you obviously are not aware of what is really going on in the world. Anti-Flag brings issues that you wouldnt normally hear about in corporate run media and make us aware to them. People that think that politics should not be sung about in punk are obviously products of a commercialized, corporately run world.
Bottom Line: Anti-Flag rocks, and not just for their music. Anybody that disagrees with me probably agrees with the war in Iraq and thinks the 9-11 terror attacks were unprovoked

OK dude, I still disagree with you. I'm going to school to be a lawyer and I too will be in school for 7 years. BUT THAT IS A FUCKING PRIVILEGE. Take the chip off your shoulder. Yeah, school sucks and its going to suck a lot more when I get to law school. But I am grateful that I have the opportunity and intelligence (barely) to pursue this path. A lot of people don't have this opportunity. Nobody owes lawyers or engineers a goddamn thing so take the chip off your shoulder.
Here is my problem with what you are saying. I realize that society needs everyone to function. That includes us engineers and lawyers, but also the janitors, construction workers and fast food workers. Now, inevitably, some people will have more cash than others (and that's fine), but because society relies on everyone, everyone deserves enough money to support their family and build a future for themselves. That is fairness and you don't have that with capitalism.

anyone can do constuction work, im sorry.. im sure its tough work, dont get me wrong, i have loads of respect for those guys becasue im sure its back breaking labour.... BUT becasue their job requires very little education and basically anyone can do it, so long as they ahve the strength (which anyone can develop given enough time), its not paid as well as, lets say, the engineer to deisgned the building. as an engineering in training, i can tell you that that is a TOUGH job. you said that its just sitting at a desk, and sure thats true.... but what the hell does that mean? so im not not lifting beams and hammering things, but that doesnt mean the job isnt extremely difficult and stressful! instead werer doing very complex mathematics and figuring out the way to build the thing so that the least amount of people die when the thing eventually fails.

you know what happens when an engineer makes a mistake..... they lose their job and never work as an engineer again... hows that for a stressful work environment?

the reason, i think, people do become engineers (or any other mentally difficult job) is becasue to get there, you need to go through hell and back. in university engineers take about 7 very heavy courses at once... so basically for 4 years you have very little time off to go have fun like your average college/university person.... well we do, infact here we have a reputation for being "crazy" or whatever (ever hear of the voltzwagon bug being hung off the golden gate bridge (and many many others)?... that was us, haha). im not bragging or anything, please dont think that.,... im just giving you a reason why people dont tend to become engineers

anyways, all im saying is that people get what they put in. if you dont want to go to school and get one of these jobs that are hard to get, then its up to you, and i will respect your descion fully (so long as you end up doing a job you enjoy)... but just understand that you will get paid much less, and dont whine about it.

oh and also,. to the guy saying without constuction workers, we wouldnt ahve anything... bullshit. youve got the bossess and the workers, yes? if the workers left, the bosses could work becasue ANYONE can work... if the bosses left, the workers, who know know very little about mathematics and engineering, coulnt complete the building. so basically, what im saying is that at any given instant, the bosses could generally become the workers if they needed to... but the workers, unless given 4 years for training, could not become the bosses... see?

and to the guy whose friend is in construction.. if he is actually really good at it, one day we will become a foreman or something and will be making ther money he deserves... but if hes not very good, he will stay as the construction worker and also get what he deserves and has earned.

its all fair

and i meant this score, shit i gotta stop with the typos, haha

and i didnt mean to put the word "present" in at the one part, just "GENERAL liberal trend." and about the broadways, they were a superb band, but they arent talked about for a good reason: they fucking broke up 5 years ago. If you liked them then listen to the lawrence arms and the honor system because they contain the band members of the broadways and each are fantastic bands

THE CLASH 1985? Uhhh, so you like the band when they were without a good lead guitarist and making pop music? Try THECLASH1977

i made the previous post. feel free to email me at klug84@yahoo.com if you have any commments

pure socialism doesnt work, we all know that. pure capitalism doesnt work, we all know that. that being said i'll get to the point: history has shown time and time again that reactionary and conservative trends are generally brief and also ineffective. therefore, based on america's GENERAL (general is an important word here) present liberal trend, we are working towards a balance of socialistic and capitalistic ideas. this is obviously what's needed becuase capitalism meets human nature to "work for success"and the american dream that hard work does indeed bring success while socialistic ideas promote equality and fairness. so in this balanced government that america is eventually going to reach, barring a disaster obviously, it'll all be ok. but dont come out and say "Capitalism doesnt work, socialism does!" or anything like that because that is simply asanine (the same goes to anarchists and obviously anyone who is a fascist is a complete moron). Instead, do what you can to speed up the expansion of liberal ideas that will ostensibly occur within the curren capitalistic system, because no prototype capilistic or socialistic governments are ever going to work, its the one that combines these ideas that will.

Hey, seek, Bill Gates actually based his idea for windows on apple's already existing program and technology payed for by US taxpayers and developed by the government. Without the government's work on computers, which was paid for by those construction workers, he would have shit. Then, he set up a monopoly by buying out or destroying every other company he could. It was so bad that even the US government (which usually could give two shits about monopolies) had to break it up. That is fair? Nice try, but your whole argument is bullshit. Now, I'm glad that Bill Gates is successful because he did work hard and he also gives a fuckload of money to charity (unlike many greedy billionaires). But his ability to accumulate a hundred billion dollars while people don't have enough to eat is the most unfair thing in the world. That's a good idea that I should boycott windows. We both know how much that would change things.
Another thing: maybe working construction isn't as challenging as computer programming (I really don't know), but its just as important. If we didn't have people who chose to work construction, we'd all be fucked. Your statement that the construction worker should have paid more attention in school only proves that you're an arrogant prick. Look, some people aren't cut out for computer programming, but are very good at construction. Just because they don't earn a million bucks, that doesn't mean they fucked up. My buddy at college (who is more conservative than you) does construction and he would be pretty pissed to hear your ignorant stereotypes of the people in his profession.

Mumia may or may not have killed a cop, the system is fucked and at that time there was SEVERE racism in the NYPD, far worse than today. No longer do i call them pigs because that would be an insult to the friendly and gentle creature ALSO known as a "pig". Cops fuck with a lot of people and from time to time they get what they deserve, end of story.

This difference between www.mumia.org & www.danielfaulkner.com is that on Faulkner's website they have the court documents to back up their claims, whereas mumia's well...
EVERY single claim that Mumia & his lawyers have made can be disproven by simply checking the court records. It's just that simple.

Oh, if you don't want Bill Gates to buy a million cars, stop using Windows. You know, that fine operating system you are currently using to surf this site. Yeah... that one. Stop using it, idiot.

Bill Gates has lots of money because he came up with a product that everyone needed. The construction worker doesn't have a lot of money because he doesn't provide anything that the next guy can't. That is capitalism; that is fair. Maybe he should've paid attention in school instead of beating up the guys who now get paid millions.

To they guy to posts below me who thinks he is an expert on socialism and capitalism. YOU KNOW FUCKING NOTHING. First off, in capitalism, people earn what they get. You must be joking. In capitalism, people who sit at a desk all day and make millions while others work construction all day and don't have enough to feed their family. Now, in socialism, the construction worker would have enough to feed his family and poor Bill Gates wouldn't be able to afford a million lambourgenies.
Here is what pisses me off. People assume socialism is all about making everyone completely equal even if they don't work. That is bullshit. The idea is that the workers get to have control over their workplace. In capitalism, the people who do the work have no control. If you didn't work, you wouldn't have any control.
Plus, you can't look at the capitalism without looking at how the huge wealth inequality affects politics. In capitalist systems, politicians are owned by major corporations and because of the policies pursued by those corporations, many people suffer and die (like our foreign policy, i could go into detail, but that isn't necessary). In more socialistic countries like Scandinavian ones, the politics is more democratic and special interests have less power.
Finally, I need to point out that in your fair capitalist system, fuckers like Enron can strike it rich by stealing the pensions of its hardworking employees and the government sits back and does nothing.
Bottom line, laissez faire capitalism is fucking horrible and unfair. I'm done.

This is the worst review i have ever read. About that hot topic punk comment....wtf? Takes one to know one. Anti-flag is a great posative band.

capitalism is the most fair system we have

everything else provides people wioth too much to take advantage of (ie, welfare!)

in capitalism you get everything you have earned.... if you dont work hard, you dont get money which makes your life easier and makes you able to provide your children with maybe and easier life than you had... if you dont work hard you dont get all that....

so basically socialism makes everyone else pay for the lazy. im busting my ass to pay for university with my crap ass jobs, my friend is laying on the couch in his poarents basement and isnt going to school.... in the end i will most likely have much more money than he does, and my life will be much easier, finachially speaking, than his will be... im not saying the money will make me happier than he, but it will just let me relax a bit (not having to worry about where my next pay check is coming from would be a nice feeling).

personally i dont mind paying for lazy people like my friend... the only reason im aiming for a high paying job is becasue it happens to be the job i will enjoy the most... the fact that it pays very well isnt part of my reason for wanting it at all. i think it would be nice if everyone agreed with that point of view... but its not going to happen, people are driven by greed... you cant fight that, its reality.

i know alot of us would live just fine ina socialist society... but it wouldnt work for the rest of the poeple... so then what? were in the same situation as we are now, its just that a different set of people would be pissed off.

now, since my lazy friend didnt earn any kind of help from the rest of society, since he is currently doing nothing to help anyone else.... i think for now, id rather stick with capitalism as it is much more fair than socialism

couldnt of said it better myself... you people want real politically driven bands? Check out los crudos, limp wrist, lifes hault, and acursed.

what I can't see is how the masses can believe that governments actually care about regular working class people. Capatilism needs people to make and spend money, so the capatilist can make theirs. The govt. is not protecting it's people they're protecting their money.

Our govt. (usa) is responsible for murder here(i.e. cops) and abroad. (and i know first hand, so you middle class brats save your breath) If all of you proud americans out their feel the need to defend your govt. then you have no business being on a punk rock website.

KEEP PUNK WHERE IT BELONGS... IN THE STREETS!

all i can say about mumia is the he got shafted. i don't know if he's innocent or guilty but the fact remains that he deserves the fair trial that he was deprived of the first time around.

danielfaulkner.com is just as biased any mumia sites...
the pigs family runs the site.. and it too is 'propaganda'.

mumia was sent to death by the same judge who has sent more black men to the chair than any other judge in penn. history.

free mumia... 21 years is too long for a innocent man to sit in a box....

Alot of revolutionary shit is going down in here... People dismissing countries, talking of socialism, acting like fools, dissing A-F, loving A-F. Cant say I hate A-F. Maybe their lyrics arent the deepest, but if you visit their site, you'll know that their hearts are in the right place. At least they are trying to change the world for the better... more than you can say for any other band out these days.

I completly agree with the comment about the broadways, they are a band that are so much better than most of the crap thats reviewed on this site, and are never talked about enough

actually, stupid idiot, America didn't exist, therefore the proper term WOULD NOT be "native americans", that would be demeaning to them to be associated with the "country" that caused the almost total genocide of their ancestors. They were free and native to this land, not to "america"...get your shit straight dude.

umm they were calling the native americans cause thats what ppl call them you dumbass!!

DUDE DISS ANTI-FLAG I KICK YOUR ASS THERE THE BEST FUCKIN ASSHOLES AROUND so fuck off of them you cant compare them to the clash you idiot!!!

i ment to supply this rating of this CD, i have the previous post

THE DUDE WHO MENTIONED THE BROADWAYS IS RIGHT, THEY ARE MORE THAN 200000000000000 times as good as this shit. dan hanaway, brendan kelly, and Chris McCaughen are all brilliant, great song writing, pure genious lyrical content

... and to some random post somewhere down under there, if me hating anti-flag makes me somehow patriotic, then GOD BLESS... uhh... CANADA...

Listen to STAYGOLD.

- BITTER

If hating Anti-Flag is the next big trend, then kudos to the trendies!!

Terrible, terrible band.

Listen to HORRORSHOW.

- BITTER

I know, I wasn't trying to bash you...I was just saying something that one of my friends brought to my attention and thought it was relevant. He was always talking about how fucked it was to give them the disrespectful term of "american" and I thought they deserved more respect too. You made some good points.

"not native "americans", they weren't called "american" until the westerners landed"

Well, I had to say that to get my point across because there alot of places where "Europeans" busted in and took from the Natives, but I was trying to talk about "America".

I completely agree with the guy below...even though there were probably still killers and pedophiles, unfortunately. The natives (not native "americans", they weren't called "american" until the westerners landed) knew that over consumption and disrespect for the land was one of the worst things a man could possibly do. But when the "europeans" arrived they slaughtered every buffalo they could find, murdered almost all of the natives and destroyed th jungles and forests, of noth north america and south america. We need to learn to appreciate our surroundings, while becoming even more technologically advanced. As a matter of fact, technology can help the environment GREATLY. America doesn't physically exist, nor does any other country. Countries are ideas, the land they label as a "country" is only a peice of land, which was there billions of years before man evolved from ape. Man is only a blink in geological time and the US empire, as with all empires, will not be a world power for ever. It may be one of the most free countries in the world, but freedom is something that should be expected. The US's problems lie in the hypocrisy and ignorance of our government, the declining state of the environment, and the mindless nationalism of it's people.

This is stupid.

What the fuck is America?

What the fuck is a country?

Who the fuck cares?

IT IS LAND! You notice how the Native Americans lived off of their own little segments of land, occasionaly going to war if the need called for it. There were no pedophiles, no freaks who ran around killing people for no reason. No single body used to keep people in line. They were all happy, until the Westerners landed. There is no such thing as a country. I know I'M not an "American Citizen". I happened to be born in America. Does that fill me with "pride" or "joy"? Hell no! I'm from nowhere. I dont recognize the flag as "our flag" because the flag is a piece of cloth on pole. Its not my flag. It doesnt represent me.

lol you kids... grow up. to guy down below, you should get ticket and pay fucking money for speeding.

but to some dumbshit down there who love the cops, you don't know what's happening out there bitch. yeah yeah cops serve the citizens bla bla and the truth is they only serve you when you're sucking their ass and buying them donuts (just a methapor). until you're out there, waving a black flag, and shouting "FUCK YOU AMERICA! FUCK YOU GEORGE BUSH!" which is completely LEGAL, they'll beat you up until you lose all your teeth. and in some countries, they'll kidnap you and kill you (woo hoo something you never knew before huh?).

to some guy who think america is the most free country in the world with all its faults bla bla shit, go to canada, or netherland, or sweden, or places like that. and you tell me WHAT'S freedom by then.

fuck america. fuck george bush. fuck ashcroft. fuck blair. and fuck their fucking double standard policy.

god bless you.

ps. to those who think anti flag is just some stupid dudes rambling about anti gov't, then go talk to them when they come to your town. i fucking dare you to argue with their speaking skills.

www.danielfaulkner.com

For those who want the truth about Mumia Abu Jamal & not the propaghanda.

It's funny. It seems like everyone who was a young teenager in the late 90's listening to punk at some point loved anti-flag. I don't think I know anyone who really takes them seriously anymore. They same the same shit every other political punk band says only they make it sound really stupid. I agree with that guy about the broadways. They are one of my favorite bands.

The Broadways are another great political band, although no one ever seems to talk about them.

i never bought into the antiflag bullshit. - bigjerk

just smoke weed

you know why europeans seem to think they know more then us? becasue when they move here, they come from doing complex fraction multiplication/division in their schools to sitting in a circle singing about friends in our schools.. im not joking you, our schools are crap and they are much more ahead of us in that respect

also, we all hate mcdonalds, yet every now and then its the only thing to eat (if youre in a hurry or soemthing)... so explain that one, haha

I fail to see how propagandhi standing up on a stage and yelling 'YOU FAGGOTS ARE HOMOPHOBES' at the crowd makes them the "ultimate political punk band." Perhaps you forgot about bands like The Clash? I definately even prefer American Steel or Against Me's political lyrics to Propagandhi, although all three bands are smart and witty, Propagandhi just preaches ;o

anti flag is a wannabe Propagandhi. propagandhi will always be considered the ultimate political punk band. fuck "justin sane"

...I'm being watched by the CIA...

you suck man anti flaG IS AWESOME dude why do you listen to them if you dont like them

Wow finally someone wrote a negative, non-ass kissing review on here. It's true about europeans loathing us, yet they all watch american tv and dress american (and eat at the mcdonalds they supposedly hate) so what does that make them. I'm in a situation where I meet lots of people from europe, and they are for the most part naive as fuck, yet cocky as hell and think they know everything(ironically this is how they view americans and hate us for it).

If you want some REAL information and not stupid "punk rock politics", read one of micheal moore's books. Theres a man who does his homework

The us is a free country, but because we are the richest and most technologically advanced country in history doesnt give us the right to do whatever we want, whenever we want and at whoevers expense. As long as the citizens of this country are 'satisfies' and comfortable, they dont see a need to question the system but injustice is widespread. I dont preach my opinion on anyone but i think there are just too many people who are ignorant, not realizing what fucked up things this country has done. No wonder why everyone hates us. Europeans really loathe americans, even though you wont hear much about it; tony blair is under major scrutiny for being Bush's little puppet. If we continue acting like World Policeman who can ignore international law, then dont be suprised when the shit hits the fan.

free mumia
free leonard peltier

"...it sounds like you have been baby fed what you have. it really depends on the job whether or not you can upgrade to a higher postion quickly or not. Unlike you I had no choice but to get the first job that came along so that I could actually eat every morning, I work 40 hous a week and attend 4 classes a semester AND must afford an apartment in the area ($1200) since i can't afford a vehicle unlike yourself and I must have enough cash to buy food and pay for net access. In other words, I live from check to check. I get one day off a week MAYBE and rarely ever sleep. I live off cheap black coffee and metrx bars..."

want a cookie?
you think that you are the only person to ever have a tough life? get the chip off of your shoulder, the thorn out of your side, and the stick outta your ass. you act as though the world owes you something. no one owes you anything. yes it would be nice to live in middle america with mommy, daddy, and the 2.5 kids, but that doesn't always happen. at least you have a roof over your head, a job, and least you are able to pay to put yourself through school so hopefully you'll be able to make enough money to drink more than just black coffee. get the fuck over yourself and your problems.

To the guy who said we should be "grateful for our government"...buddy, you must realize. Freedom is something that is EXPECTED and is a RIGHT whether a government permits it or not. We may have ONE of the most free governments in the world, but that doesn't mean shit to me. If government didn't exist I'd be completely free. And humans aren't born with a government, the government throws themselves upon them. The US is just a peice of land that someone claims to own. Our country has a lot of corruption and hypocrisy within it. It is our DUTY as free citizens (well, almost free) to make sure our government isn't bullying other countries. I don't see Korean tanks rolling down my street, but american tanks roll down south korean streets and killed a young girl. bush has nukes, which he shouldn't.

id have to agree that this cd is their worst. And they seriously picked some stinkers for the live tracks. "spaz's house party destruction" or whatever iis the worst EVER

The sad truth is that Anti-Flag probably would be banned for openly criticizing the ways of the government if it wasn't for the fact that this government has given us the freedom to do such things. They let people spread ideas freely that might conflict heavily with their own, but that is the price of freedom. So in fact, the government has never opressed or harmed or done anything wrong to Anti-Flag. In fact, Anti-Flag should feel grateful for the government.

Even if our president is an idiot... It really doesn't matter. I don't want to imagine what life would be like if Anti-Flag ran the country.

Evil Monkey

i dont have a car dude... nor do can i afford it.

i was given nothing but made it on my own.

if your job right now doesnt have anywhere for you to grow and make more money, then this summer when youre not schooling get a second job that will provide you with growth... my advice will be to ket a job in the restaurant industry... i started cleaning shit in bathrooms in a crappy dirty place and now im cooking/serving in a nice place... all becasue im willing to do anything (ie, clean up shit because i knew if i sucked up my pride (which most people wont) and did it, i would eventually become what im doing now.

but anyways, this is absolutly stupid arguing liek this... its going no where and for all i know you could be lying (just like you think im lying)

so whats your point in telling me how poor you are? should you be above the laws the rest of the country has to abide by simply because you cant afford to pay the fines?

it doesn't matter who is in office, Anti-Flag will never be happy.

*****Wuss-Emo-Rock*****

I actually like 911 for Peace, its a pretty decent song. Even the song about Seattle isnt that bad. But all and all this band sucks. They always have. I mean not to repeat everything that has been said about this band, but they write sooooo shitty. I mean, their politics are stupid.

"Fuck everything, fuck the government."
"Ok Mr. Anti-Flag, what is wrong with the government and what would you do in power"
"Uh, I dont know, but FUCK THE GOVERNMENT, I do know that for sure!!!"

oops i gave them a 10 when i meant to give them a 1.

This album is no good. It's sad. Anti-Flag were once a really great band. A New Kind of Army is just a classic essetial punk rock record. Then this. I think they totally lost their political edge. They've gone communist. I've got nothing wrong with communists, it just doesn't belong in the punk rock genre. Hopefully they can come to their senses and stop being assholes and make a good record.

actually, dumbfuck....it sounds like you have been baby fed what you have. it really depends on the job whether or not you can upgrade to a higher postion quickly or not. Unlike you I had no choice but to get the first job that came along so that I could actually eat every morning, I work 40 hous a week and attend 4 classes a semester AND must afford an apartment in the area ($1200) since i can't afford a vehicle unlike yourself and I must have enough cash to buy food and pay for net access. In other words, I live from check to check. I get one day off a week MAYBE and rarely ever sleep. I live off cheap black coffee and metrx bars. You do the math shithead.

if you went an idiot you would realize that i made a fucking typo... i obviously meant rascism is bad

honestly, that was a mistake

and seriously, i live on my own and pay for everything myself.. you know how i can do it with such ease? becasue i work hard and earn everything i get. i work jobs, get experience and then get better jobs... thats how it works. my mom can barely afford her own self so theres no way in hell id let her help me out when i can do it on my own... all i ahve to do is work 2 jobs for 4 month/year and i sit pretty... so yes, dipshit, it is fucking possible (for those willing to earn a life thats no handed to them)... personally im not willing to let the world beat me down and so im going to work as hard as i need to so that i can do everything i want to in life... sure others have it easier, but i dont give a shit, their family has earned their money at some point, so it makes sense that they have an easier way through school than i do, i hope when i grow up ill have money help my kids though school, anyways.

but anyways, this is in canada, the land of the unlocked door (thanks micheal moore! haha), i wouldnt expect you to fully understand what its like to live in a truely peaceful nation (what did they say in the bowling for columbine movie?? in canada and england and most other 1st world countries, there are like 100 deaths related to guns per year... but in the US, there are 11000 deaths related to guns/year.... your country is out of control)

uhh...i think he meant to say that racism is obviously not good and that just came out as a typo....

af and most people who disagree with the govt. probably know more why they disagree with the govt. the those who preach why they love their govt.

so since you gave hate, doesn't that mean you get hate too?

No it's not...if you're racist what you give is what you get. If you give hate, you're gonna get hate.

saying he deserves death is just as bad as him being racist. think before you speak next time buddy.

*****Wuss-Emo-Rock*****

did that dumbfuck a few down actually say "racism is obviously good"? I think he did. What a stud facist fuck. Anyway, you are trying to say that I didn't read your whole paragraph...which is untrue, I did read it completely. The point is that I don't believe you. No one who lives on there own OUTSIDE of a middle class neighborhood would be simpathetic for police officers...not unless they had some sort of grudge on people of another races, which it sounds like you do. You said that racism against asians is good...you deserve death. My best friend is asian. Go fuck yourself you racist bitch.

yes, both a simple plan and anti-flag have cheesy lyrics, but at least anti-flag have a CAUSE and a MESSAGE to give to all the kids that listen to them. it's meant to open your eyes to see the bigger picture...some people take this to extremes and think everyone is out to get them, but i prefer that to someone who accepts everything society tells them.

I would just like to lend my hand out to Billy and embrace him with a hug. Seriously, that was the best review I have probably ever read on this site. It was also the most truthful review too. Anti-Flag suck big time, they are horrible...and worst of all (it's hard to get worse than their music) they preach and preach and bitch and bitch inbetween every song. "fuck america."

when I saw the a few years back at the roxy in hollywood...they said to the crowd that we should all caravan in a big buses to washington DC for some cause (although AF wouldn't even be there haha). I think these guys are taking things a little too far, especially considering we went to the show for music, not to caravan to the other side of the country. ok now i' just rambling.

Anti-Flag suck! Their lyrics in all seriousness are as corny as Siple Plan's (yes I like simple plan, but i do know their lyrics are corny)

That is all.

*****Wuss-Emo-Rock*****

"Perhaps someday you won't be living off of your parents and perhaps someday you won't believe everything you see on TV or hear on the radio."

haha, wow, you just proved that you didnt read the whole thing... i said that i didnt live off my parents jack ass... so what you did was skim over what i said and formed an opinion on that... which is fucking stupid and is the source of your ignorance... in the future, if you want someone to take you seriously and listen to them, then you must do the same

and to the asian guy, that sucks... rascism is obviously good.... but i would say that htere is alot more serpicos out there than you think... especially now that serpico did what he did and got things changed

I have to agree with you on one thing. I, too, went through my Anti-Flag phase and I know a lot of younger kids who are going through theirs now. However trite and simplistic their lyrics may be, they do their job: they expose kids who have always been taught "God Bless America" (even though there is supposedly a separation of church and state but we won't get into that) and that America is the best country in the world whose only problems are caused by weirdo terrorists from across the sea to American shortcomings. After they get out of their Anti-Flag phase, they often start listening to real bands. The bottom line is that Anti-Flag is for beginners. There ARE problems with this country. You may not agree with how they do it, but Anti-Flag address those issues and in turn, kids learn that there are problems with this country. That leaves them room to learn about it in a more intelligent manner than "fuck America and the government."

I'm not even going to give the guy two below a response. You're a sad, sad soul that's all I can say. Perhaps someday you won't be living off of your parents and perhaps someday you won't believe everything you see on TV or hear on the radio. When a cop fucks you over I'm gonna be laughing, because I warned you.

I'm not gonna generalize all cops as horrible oppressive people, but I will say that some of them treat foreigners like shit. I was walking out of a Hy Vee last year and some poor guy from Asia had gotten caught trying to steal a bar of deoderant. So the cops, while pushing him into the cop car, called him a slant eyed cunt and son of a bitch a number of times. Really bad of them. I mean, kids go to schools and learn that racism is bad, but who do they see being the most brutal racists? The cops! No wonder they hate them. But I'm sure every police force must have a FEW serpicos.

"Cops kill more than they should and ruin just as many lives as they save."

quite possibly the STUPIDEST thing i have ever heard... my fucking god, you people talk about ignorance... well there you have it... can you back that up in any way?

to the guy whining about a speeding ticket... what the fuck is he supposed to do!?!? the cop not giving you the fucking ticket is illegal... do you understand that??? this put his JOB at risk!!!!!1 he could get fired... do you know how selfish it is for you to just say that becasue you happen to be poor you are above the law for whatever reason?!?! my god, you make me sick

the laws are created by governemt, cops merely enforce them.. its not up to the cops to decide who they will and wont charge, its up to the LAW to dictate how much you pay for a parking ticket..... if you dont like that, your problem isnt with the goddamn cops, its with the goddamn governemt... and you know what, if your claim was reasonable, you could do soemthing about it and get the law changed... instead your idea that because youre poor you should be above the law is completely irrational, so sorry, it wont happen.

and dont get even more fucking stupid on me and start chiming off about how i must be rich and how my daddy gives me fancy jobs sitting at desks..... its all bullshit generalizations and you know it. i am also poor and i am also putting myself through school ALONE because my single mom who gets no child support from my asshole dad cant afford it... in the summers i work 2 jobs and during school i work 1... all of which i got becasue of me.. daddy didnt help me, i fucking helped me.... i agree, life like this is tough.... but i fail to see how i should be exempt from laws that make me pay... thats complete bullshit

and about cops..... they are great people... i have never met one i didnt like. my uncle's a cop and i get to hang out at the station alot.. so you learn a thing or 2... like what its actually like to be a cop. alot of the time excessive force isnt all its made out to be.

lets say for example there is a guy with a big ass knife.... by the time you get your gun out, the safety off and can aim... chances are you will be dead. so you know what happens?? adrenaline kicks in (yes, they are human like you) their vision gets fuzzy and it becomes hard to stay calm... the guy starts in towards them with the knife... now put youself in this situation, you dont know if hes coming at you or changing his stance, or just shifting his weight.. all you see is him move... what do you do? if hes coming at you you could lose your life very easily, but if hes not coming at you everythings cool for now... what would you do? id shoot... as would most rational people (remember if you stall for a fraction of a second you could be dead... dead).. so the cop shoots... but not just once.. he unloads a clip on the guy.... this is where most people have problems and say it was excessive.... well no, you see theyre saying that becasue they have never been in the situation... remember your eyes are fuzzy and you could be about to lose your life. at this point, to be able to just simply shoot a knee to make the guy stop, would require nerves of steel that i wouldnt expect any humans to fully master. so all the cops can do is basically shoot at the fuzzy blob (abdomen) a whole bunch of times and hope to GOD (if they so happen to believe.. i dont, but at that point i would certainly hope for anyone to lend a hand, haha) that atleast one of them hits and keeps the knife away from your soft skin.

also, if this knife guy was only robbing a cornerstore for cigarettes or something small and the above situation took place, that would be another things people would flip out... "but he wasnt doing anything too bad! he didnt deserve to be shot to death in a hail of bullets!" is what would basically be said, and everyone would hate cops for that... well no, the guy had a knife and he seemed to be charging them, unless they had lots of distance between them to see if they were actually in horrible danger, i believe they are fully in the right to shoot away.

if the guy didnt want to get shot, he should ahve been THREATENING TO KILL A SHOPKEEPER WITH A BIG ASS KNIFE! (yes, thats what youre doing when you rob a place.. having the weapon says if you dont comply, i will fuck you up)

anyways, im absolutly posative that bad stupid and dangerous cops exist, but i really think people tend to generalize way too much when they talk about "fucking cops!"... as i said, ive never met one that i wouldnt be proud to have out on the streets protecting me and my friends/family (and every other law abiding citizen for that matter!).

just next time you complain about the cops, really think about why they did what they did... try and put yourself in his shoes and see how youd react.... i know if i were a cop in a riot for example, getting bricks and firecrackers thrown at me, incredibly outnumbered by people running around being complete fools who were trying to kill me, i would be beating whatever came near me. my life is in danger, if you dont want to get beat do your part and go home. (keep in mind this is only for riots... if the protesting is truely peaceful, im very anti police beating as i am a huge supporter of the fact that in my country (canada) and yours, we are allowed to voice whatever opinion no matter how stupid in a public forum without fear of police reprocussion (as long as you dont act like a bunch of dicks and start breaking laws).

anyways, im sorry about this huge message, i just couldnt hold it in.. there are just so many comments in this thread that were driving me nuts. like seriously, antiflags main message is, plainly, "to think".... use your brain and dont just listen to the hullabaloo people tell you.. use common sense and think things through... and most importantly to me, listen (without bias) to all opinions and arguements... once you add bias, you are never going to be able to fully understand the opposing sides thoughts and theorys, and thus argueing about them is completely pointless... so just keep an open mind, thats all i want to say

Is it on Drive Thru Records? No.

Wuss won't say anything, if he does he will bash it and everyone will forget the Anti Flag argument to jump on that mall pop masquerading as punk he loves because it's worse than anything else on this site.

the star made of broken guns is a total crass ripoff. i don't have a problem with this band, but this album is weak as hell.

The guy is telling the truth. I actually have to have internet access just to find out MY GRADES for the semester!!

I'm waiting to hear what OLD PUNKER and everybodies favorite Wuss Emo Rock have to say about this.

Fuck you idiot. My apartment costs $1200 a month buddy and in the "ghetto", as you so aptly and ignorantly named it, high paying jobs aren't exactly everywhere. And at the age of 21 and with only a job that pays $8 an hour while trying to attend school as well without the support of parents or relatives $200 is ALOT fuckhead. Maybe your daddy gave you a job, or maybe you just don't realize the reality of the situation. Speeding happens, not EVERYBODY is perfect when it comes to obying EVERY little crevice of the law and I don't deserve to get my life fucked up terribly by some pig who should be out feeding the homeless or catching serial killers, not fucking with me. Maybe your little conservative ass needs to be put in the position i am, and then maybe you would check your opinions out a bit. And, by the way, in order to pass college, I need internet access...add another $30 to my monthly bill. You do the math prick...it's so hard to work your ass off, try your best to be a good human being and then get cut down by some little rich kid on the internet...oh well, i shouldn't take you seriously. But you are the reason why ignorance exists in the world, you're the reason why bush is president.

Why is everyone so fucking stupid? Anti-Flag said it themselves, they're not an anarchist band. All they want is peace, and I can't seem to figure out why no one can get that through their shallow skulls. It's a reasonable belief, and is expressed in a lot of different ways in their songs. "Fuck Police Brutality" and "Die for the Government" have pretty self-explanatory song titles and are two prime examples of what this band is about. If you want to criticize for saying the same thing over and over again, then rag on every other band on the face of the earth. Most sing about the same thing and Anti-Flag are at least a band that varies their message so it doesn't sound so fucking contrived and played out. I'm not asking you to go to D.C. and protest, I only ask you to open your crusty-ass eyes and realize what this band is really about.

Yup. You got me. I'm Aaron spellings son. I live in a white palace on the top of a hill made of golden grass. You stupid fucking cunt. If $200 is a lot of money, then maybe you should
A.get a job
B.Ask your parents for bigger allowance
C.Cancell your fucking internet.
Do a lot of people have internet access in the ghetto where you live? Cuz I know lots of poor abused people barely making it that have internet access and computers. If you're fucking whining about a speeding ticket, then it's your own fucking fault dipshit. DON'T SPEED! Wow, it's that easy. As far as the poor punks, I'm sure they weren't doing anything at all. We can trust your unbiased opinion right? Whaa wahh wahh, it’s everyone’s fault but mine. I’m a victim. Any Jewish people out there? This dumbfuck is trivializing Hitler and the holocaust. He’s comparing Hitler’s atrocities to a fucking speeding ticket. Jesus Christ I haven’t heard this much whining from white people since they cancelled mash. Thank you Chris rock. twat

the cable guy can't take your life away, the cable guy can't put you in jail...well, unless you hurt him. The point is that, you can't soften up on cops...mainly because they ARE in a position where they have more societal control than you and therefore they must adhere themselves to the basics of not fucking with people or standing for unjust laws. I have no simpathy for a pig who was a racist and ends up getting shot for it. Killing is wrong, but the cop provoked it. And being in his position he has cannot provoke. some peope may say that the kid who gets shot provoked it, but that kid isn't wearing a badge now is he? Cops kill more than they should and ruin just as many lives as they save. I mean, sure, a shitty cop may save a baby...but what you're not seeing is perhaps the poverty stricken person he just gave a ticket to or the "illegal" immigrant he just "busted", so then you must say that, although he saved a life, he still fucked up many others. You may say "oh, nobody's perfect", but to be in a position to boss other people around you must be completely liberal.

umm, I really dont think that guy was defending cops, more like just saying to think for yourself. Just cause Anti Flag has about 14 hundred songs about how cops sucks, it doesn't automatically mean you should hate cops. I'm not saying cops are good or bad, but it IS nice to get an opinion about them other than from Anti Flag. I mean of course ive seen cops be dick heads, but ive also seen cops save lives. My freinds dad had a heart attack and the first person there was a cop who was notorious for being an asshole. So, you know? I mean, just think for yourself, and give people a chance. Cops ARE human beings too, and yeah some might be dicks, but hey, the cable guy can be a dick too,but you dont see punk bands bitching about them.But that might be a diffrent story all together oh well. Were all human.

hey...to the dumbfuck who is praising cops. you're probably some little middle class, caucasian boy who wouldn't know the meaning of police injustice and brutality if i beat it into your skull. You see, unlike your safe, middle class community.. down in the city things are very different. A place you wouldn't survive 5 seconds in. How many times have I seen cops, yes ON DUTY cops, yell at punkers about their clothes or hair? How often have I seen cops harass the homeless? How often have I seen cops use ecessive force on kids who were just caught up in the wrong stuff? How often have I seen cops racially and socially profile? How often do cops pull over people for speeding and give them a $200 speeding ticket? I mean, for you it must be nice to be rich and able to afford $200, but for some people that is a weeks worth of money...it could mean the difference between a decent apartment and the street. Do minor speeding infractions deserve that? Fuck no. Not all cops are bad, but they represent laws that can be unjust at times. Ignorant little rich kids are too uninformed to understand. And if your brother, father, mother is a cop then I feel sorry for you. If your father was Hitler would you stand by him? I know I wouldn't.

Son of a fucking bitch, I meant peltier

Yes, yes, fuck cops. Let's shoot our fathers, brothers, cousins, friends, hell even our sisters. Because cops are big scary dudes that steal little boys skateboards and ride them as soon as they leave. All cops are dirty and oppress Leonard peliter. They are all just trying to keep everyone down. There's this one day Miss Cleo told me about, and frankly I'm so excited I'm about to piss myself. It's not too far in the future. It's the day something horrible happens to you. And while that big scary guy is pushing your shit in with a gun to your head, you will be praying to god that those pigs show up to help save your fat ass. Give me a fucking break people. How about using your own fucking brain once in awhile. Yes, it’s called thinking for yourselves. How many times has a pig come to your house, beat your ass and then shoved a plunger handle up your ass? That's what I thought. Instead of believing every fucking thing you hear, why don't you wait until you see Mr. Plunger and then you can talk shit as much as you want. But until then, it’s only a skateboard and it's not like you paid for it anyway. Jesus Christ you people frighten me. Not only does shit like this spew out of your mouths, but you also listen to horrible fucking music. I’m going back in time to give each and every mother a fucking coat hanger and instructions. twat

Cops deserve to burn in hell (if there were such a place) and cop killers deserve praise. Fuck off you conservative tool.

mumia abu-jamal is a cop killer and he should burn in hell. his supporters are retards too because even if they succeeded in getting him another trial he would still be found guilty.

i just wanted to get that off my chest. anyway, i like a-f too, but the new tracks on here were pretty bad.

-reeko

Fuck. The guy who thinks socialism is bad needs a serious lecture. Socialism was created to keep monopolies from sprouting up. Its where the government owns various public facilities, such as hospitals, libraries, the oil industry, the car industry and other needed places. This makes using them alot cheaper and the hospitals dont try to scam you. The local CD store, book store, cafe? Owned by a manager. If you went to Sweden, you couldn't tell it was socialist if it wasnt for the funny looking cars. Too many think that socialism is total governmental control, a dictator, and a symbol hanging everywhere you look.

I understand that Anti-Flag is a political band, but do they want to be recognized for their music or their politics? It gets to a point where you wonder if the whole "I hate the government" thing is starting to take over the music part of things.

I mean, "The Government Sucks" is pretty self explanatory. Do we need a whole album trying to explain this to us? Will they start coming to our doorsteps, telling us how much they hate the government. It's not that hard to figure out. Anti-Flag is against the flag. Hence the name. So, umm, why do you have to keep constantly reminding me what the message is that your band is trying to send? I get it. Really.

Evil Monkey

Heh.. "The Clash are better." No shit.

Heh. You tell me that Anti-Flag doesn't know politics, then tell me that America is the most free country in the world. Do you not know about the DMCA, TIA and other such laws? How about how drugs are treated in other nations? Anyway, as for Anti-Flag.. No, their songs don't tell you the historical facts, don't go into detail, but isn't it enough that it gets you concerned and intrigued? Anti-Flag makes for a great entry into politics and political punk.

-lactose

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haha, the comments about anything related to antiflag are the funniest thing ever.

these guys are fucking stupid. why dont they put out a spoken-word cd and just be done with it?

What?? Are you crazy? That sampler was good-Pipedown, Thought Riot, and Methadones are cool bands.

"sweeden is a socialist country, and canada leans very far that way.... thats not freedom people!... america is the most free country i can think of actually"

Just because Canada has socialized healthcare doesn't mean they're not free. Way to give into stupid bullshit propaganda about socialism.

Did I mention also that these countries are being accused of attempting to create weapons that WE already posses! If we want them to give up theirs, we shoiuld atleast give up ours. One nuke alone would cause enough of a problem to the environment and any life within 5000 square miles (ie birth deffects and pollution). Nukes are unacceptable, especially our own!

Less government is better. But america certainly isn't all that great, we put government in the wrong places and not the right places. I mean, the government at one time seemed so bent on censoring music and harassing president clinton for getting a blowjob. That was pretty fucked, that was none of their business. But now, we have a ten illion times worse situation. I actually wrote a description up but it was too big and my web browser crashed and it couldn't get posted here...pissed me off too. I made some real valid points. anyway, I'll sum up a few. Bush is creating more enemies for the american people and is isolating american travelers. You foolish idiots seem to think that every person from Iraq or North Korea is an evil person waiting to sniper or bomb you. You people obviously are about as smart as a rock. Bush bombing Iraq or North Korea will cost thousands of civilian lives and will probably NOT kill their leaders and will give the countries MORE of a reason to terrorize us and their own citizens than not. Not that the citizens of any country (including our own) should have to answer to a bullshit government at all. Did you know that we have tanks in south korea right now? Do you know that one of those tanks ran over a small korean girl and killed her? I don't see korean tanks rolling down my street. What a fucking mess. I have a friend that just moved to korea a year ago, I visited him last summer (south korea) and it is just like the US. Our country may have more freedom, but obviously not enough. And the fact that you have more freedom gives you the duty to make damn sur your government isn't fucking over other people. There is no such thing as rules and laws, the only thing that exists are the people that enforce them. If our government stops murdering and bullying and instead tries to help the people of facist leaders rise above then perhaps we (the people) will be nice enough not to break these laws.

cuz it's cool to pretend you have a british accent......

sweeden is a socialist country, and canada leans very far that way.... thats not freedom people!... america is the most free country i can think of actually

now im not american, and im against socialism, but dont tell me that MORE government control means more freedom! (again, i like more governemt control... to a degree.... but i atleast realize that its taking away myt freedom)

also, i agree withy uo all that antiflag writes some damn good music, but their lyrics are quite horrid. what i mean is they are usually childish/nieve/ignorant OR incredibly obvious to anyone who would listen to their music ("fuck police brutality!")

something that pissed me off is that people are saying its a "thing" to not like antiflag now.... well to that i would say "bullshit"... i think its just that all of us have grown up and seen to world though more mature eyes, so antiflag no longer tells us about what we knew nothing about.

i m3ean lets be honest here... what 15 year old kid knows enough about politics to be able to fully understand theyre lyrics... to me it seems alot like how church preaches to the young... if you get them when theyre young and ignorant, they wont have any idea wha5t youre talking about and will be very very easy to convince..

thats exactly how antiflag works (not saying they want it to be like this... but its the reality of things).

all that said, i still think they are great and will go to their shows when they come here.... and like always, when they give those same speeches about hating rich people and hating money, i will laugh quitely to myself, and later chuckle about it all with my friends after the show.... i cant wait

hey thx, im relieved to see Im not the only one that was shocked by that sentence..

France, Spain, England, Sweden, Norway, Italy, Ausitralia, New Zealand, South Korea, Japan, Portugal, Canada, Germany, Greenland, Iceland, Ireland, Scotland are all "stable" and have just as much freedom as america...even though some of those governments are just as fucked as america's...though none of them have a fuckhead like bush incharge.

Try half of europe too, just because english isn't their native language doesn't mean that they're all uncivilized 3rd world countries.

"I was relieved to hear them stop whining about how sad they are to live in a country that has, for all its faults, more freedom, equality, and human rights than any other country in the world."

Ummmm, no. There are actually many other countries in the world with just as many freedoms as we have. Try Canada. Or New Zealand. Or Australia.

why...do they infringe on your "patriotic" code?

i like their music but i don't like their message

i think they right some real good songs...some of the songs on the bouncing souls split they did were really good

sometimes their lyrics really make me cringe though, i try not to pay too much attention to them

Mumia deserves to be free. I mean...i for one don't think he did it...based on the evidence it looked like the pigs had it out for him. Secondly, even if he did do it...he was probably provoked and therefore doesn't deserve imprisonment. Cop's fuck with people and from time to time they get what they have coming to them. There are plenty of good cops, but some of the laws they represent are very fucked. Racism plagued the police force in new york at that time.

Hey.. first off, posting something about yourself when youre "anonymous" is pointless I think. That being said, someone must explain to me when it has become "the next big thing" to hate anti-flag.
Sure, theyre lyrics might sound corny and shit, but they still make you think a little more than lots of other bands. Listenning to A-F doesnt mean you cant listen to Chonking Victim, Leftover Crack, Propagandhi, Strike Anywhere, Good Riddance -to mention the supposedly "better bands" mentionned by other posters- or other stuff.. (blaming a-f coz their are on Fat and then preaching about GR or Propaganadhi is somewhat paradoxical I believe..).
Just take a-f for what they are: a descent band thats not trying to act is if they were the know all and be all of punk and trying to write material that will make ppl react a minimum.
And to Adam, when you say "a country that has, for all its faults, more freedom, equality, and human rights than any other country in the world" I think thats exactly what A-F is trying to sing about.. Im not anti-usa (for your general knowledge, Im French and Aussie and live in France) but it is true that the USA has many faults, and a-f does speak about them. A country in which the guy who gets most voices is not elected and in which you can wait 10 years in a small room waiting for your death sentence to be executed is NOT what I call "a country that has, for all its faults, more freedom, equality, and human rights than any other country in the world". Especially not more than ANY other country Germany, Spain or Sweden would have more "human rights" (and yes, don't come down on me because the french pres was elected with 82% of the voices against a fascist asshole nammed Le Pen, Im not responsible: amdinistration fucked up and thought i was Aussie only, meaning that I wasnt able to vote.. lol) End of rant.

Yeah, and to not be totally off topic, this album is ok.. its not a real album though I think, more like a big EP with bonus live tracks or something, prolly just my opinion..
Take care people.. Unity is a long way away..

i enjoy anti-flag at the right time, however, i don't really need this album because i already have die for your government and that's enough anti-flag for anyone.

The funniest thing about Anti-Flag is that they are catering to a high school level, and try to help them out on their web site. I dont care for them, but regardless of what you say they must know a good deal of what they're talking about. I never saw a fashion-punk band play at a peace rally in Washington before.

"if you want to go and die and kill some innocent people for a pointless cause then go ahead, but I'd rather just overthrow bush before it happens."

I hear ya.

"I was relieved to hear them stop whining about how sad they are to live in a country that has, for all its faults, more freedom, equality, and human rights than any other country in the world."

Thats just bull shit. I dont like Anti Flag because I think their music sucks. But why do you have to not only dislike them, but actually appreciate your country? I dont get that at all, and in any case our country doesnt have half the freedoms of a whole bunch of other countries (Finland, the Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, and alot of others). As CRASS said, "All government is the same". Do you know what the people who run this government think of anarchists, communists, socialists, and anybody else who doesnt agree with them? They see them as a "terrorist threat". Get a fucking life and take that annoying american flag off of your car window! US is the real terrorists!

adam-
political dissertation maybe, but dissentary is a disease. Whoa what a cool name for a band "political dissentary"!

hey dumbfucks.....just because you're a past it, retired from life loser who decided to give up the struggle doesn't mean you have to make fun of people who didn't. I mean, Anti-Flag are a bit cartoonish and not exactly what I'd call the "real thing", but it's a hell of a lot better than a punk band singing "God Bless America". I'd call Anti-Flag a child's intro t political punk rock (lol). I mean, when their first album came out back in '96 I was just a stupid highschooler and I was all into it...but then I found propogandhi, good riddance, the clash, bob marley, bad brains, the crass, Dead Kennedys, Ice T, Public Enemy, Black Flag, Flipper. I mean, honestly, if you're a male over 20 and you think our government is doing a good job and if you think that everyone in another country is "evil" then you need to get your head checked. Bush is starting a war that could effect each and everyone of us in a bad way...if you want to go and die and kill some innocent people for a pointless cause then go ahead, but I'd rather just overthrow bush before it happens.

I like that song about the party at Spazz's or something. "Spazz's house destruction party" I think. Its funny and clever. Great review by the way.

-sickboi

noones mentioned it but anatomy of your enemy is an awesome song.

What's funny about Anti-Flag is that you don't even need to listen to them to find out what every single song is about- the name says it all.

Adam (below): and the kicker is Ever Fallen In Love was a Buzzcocks cover, meaning that their best song isn't even theirs. Kind of like Alien Ant Farm, except those guys didn't pretend to be revolutionaries.

lets face it if u like politics in punk then no one does it better than crass / conflict and the entire british anarcho scene, the US really has nothing to compare apart from Aus Rotten / Defiance / Nausea but seeing as these guys aren't on fat wreck / epitaph your average american "punk" wouldnt consider buying it,
Anti Flag have done their job by provoking this debate - therefore they are way more political than most of the sugar coated shit that passes for punk and comes from the US.
then again if your just looking for a new patch to sew on your $50 hot topic bondage trousers whilst trying to look like some one who hung around the kings road in '82 then any old crap with a good logo will do i suppose.....

Anti-Flag can be good if they don't sing about the government (Captain Anarchy, Drink Drank Punk)

Politics should stay out of rock n roll unless you can write something intelligent. Anti-Flag can not.

Hey, what's up. I haven't posted on this site before, but this Anti-Flag debate, along with it being really late, makes me want to say something. When I first listened to Anti-Flag, my opinion was something along the lines of "Hey, here's a different sounding band speaking about issues important to America today." And I went on liking the songs I heard off comps, MP3s, and all that. So then I went out and bought a full CD of theirs, and I realized that every song on it sounded exactly the same, with lyrics that more or less say "Fuck America, we don't like it." In them, I read no intelligent commentary on how things could be better, why I should "fuck America" other than because it's screamed into my ear a million times on the disc, or anything other than a very surface level political dissentary. For a "political" band to work, they must provide more in-depth lyrics, and sometimes break the mold and sing songs about something else. Good Riddance is a good example of this. I thought the most refreshing track I've heard from Anti-Flag recently was Have You Ever Fallen In Love from their Bouncing Souls split, simply because I was relieved to hear them stop whining about how sad they are to live in a country that has, for all its faults, more freedom, equality, and human rights than any other country in the world. Political criticism is fine, but blind bashing of the government is trite and boring.
-Adam

I don't hate the band half as much as the ignorant 15 year old fools who actually take their half-assed message seriously.

"Fuck the government." Yeah, go fuck yourself. You don't know what you're talking about.

good bass lines? when did we stop talking about anti-flag and start talking about choking victim? i must have missed the subject change!

cburst

i am a god

Good bass lines, but that's about it.

Rebelling for no reason is better than conforming for no reason.

First off, I dont care for Anti-Flag

Second off, are you people assuming that to find something wrong with the government at age 15 is a stage? I dont get that. Look at all the horrible things Bush is doing. How can you ignore it? Am I supposed to go with the flow because this is a "stage"? Fuck no! I'm 15 and I probably know more about politics on this board than half of the "adults" that write here.

i am old school Anti-Anti-Flag...

"Fuck the Government, Fuck the government"... wow I just wrote an Anti-Flag song!! I'm sooo punk!

Even while hammered, I still cannot appreciate Anti-Flag... and almost anything can impress me while hammered! CRASS FOREVER!

lmao, hillarious shit

Peace,
-SOYBOMB-

When I purchased this album, I listened to it alittle too much than I should have, but is still a pretty decent album. "911 For Peace" is a great freakin' song though....

What I can say, is that I love Whatever It Takes. Chris #2 shines as a great singer and the music foundation is solid. To be cliche for a moment, I would say they blow Anti-Flag out of the water. Or is that not how it goes...

And one more thing...who can argue that any new pop punk/drive thru/emo band with a funny name ,that sing about girls, is better than Anti flag?

American patriots hate Anti-Flag.Stop looking for other reasons 'They were better before', or 'their lyrics are childish' and just admit you hate them for attacking your government thats "always right"...

The "Anti-flag is really fucking cool OI OI OI!!!! I hate Bush! I am a punk punk-punkety punpunk! WIth my crappy mohawk and misfits shirt!" phase is typical of high school freshmen. I see so many between classes. I went through that phase, but it only consisted of likeing the music. I had no mohawk, no misfits shirt, and didn't think politics about nothing. I just thought the music was cool.

I don't care much for them now, but 911 For Peace is still a good song.

So most 'young punks' go through a phase of actually liking Anti-Flag? And people wonder why so many others claim that punk is dead. I guess that I was never a young punk then, so be it...

if i ever meet a girl who sucks as much as anti-flag...i'll be a very happy young man. until then, i'll be reading chomsky and listening to propagandhi...suckers!

-cburst

First off, the review sucks ass. Just wanted to clear that up. Second, this CD wasn't Anti-Flag's best. But Anti-Flag is a good band. Sure they have slogans in their songs that can be annoying at times, but they do make some good points and the verses of their songs make you think. That is, if you actually listen to what they say instead of following the anti-anti-flag crowd. Most of you people don't even listen to what they stand for and just hate them because its "cool" to hate them now. At least, they are trying to spread a valuable message. Plus, they fucking rock live. I saw them in Pittsburgh and half the people at the show hopped up on the stage to sing Die For Your Government (the whole song, not just the refrain). You would have to have been there to know how fuckin awesome it was.

Anti flag aren't the best band....but any band that questions the shitty governments of the world is okay by me. If you think your government is great...something is very wrong with your brain my friend. Good Riddance rocks hard.

some moron said "political punk kinda faded out in the 1980's and wont be coming back anytime soon" what the hell you idiot? it sounds like you did the fading! Baaahhh good little corporate sheep.

tracks 9-16 were the only songs that made this cd worth the purchase...the demo cd sux also...crappy crappy a-f bands

Meh... they're my sister's new favorite band. If you like politics in this style of music (with less contrived vocals) listen to Against Me, Strike Anywhere, or Good Riddance, they bring the issues they tackle to a personal level rather than gimmicky sloganeering.

Dear Mr. Taint,

That's the worst review that I have ever read. Thank you for wasting my time.

Brent

Anti-Flag is just a band for so called 'punks' to use as a referance. Ya know, the kids with the leather jackets and dyed hair. They figure just because Anti-Flag is against their government that they are legitimate punks. My opinion, Anti-Flag sucks... political punk sorta faded away in the early 1980's and it probabaly won't come back anytime soon.

I'm surprised no one reviewed this one already. It's funny cos when I'm at their shows, there's always kids there who can't stand the preaching-in between songs.

The way shit smells is the way this band sounds.

first of all, you cant bash on a band for being mindless, etc, when you can't even figure out how to work the spell check feature.

in terms of musical quality, this cd along with underground network, were
MUCH better than their previous efforts. or am i horribly mistaken here? c'mon...listen to "your daddy was a rich man..." followed by any of their newer material.

how does a excerpt from one of the most influential speeches regarding freedom in our very country, ruin a song made by a politically influenced band speaking about some of the very same things?

and last but not least...bringing up the *hot topic* punk debate is beyond a worn out welcome, and it doesn't have any place in a record review.

Yeah, seriously, this band is whack. They write boring, predictable music and they're lyrics are preachy and not very well written. I love political music, but for god's sake, do it right! This is just drivel. I'm glad someone finally posted a review of them that didn't kiss their ass.

Bands like this should try and set out to make people think rather than be all preachy.

The Clash did it in the past and Leftover Crack do it now.

I don't think Antiflag is for fucking America. They just seem like it because they seem to have trouble writing quality lyrics.

hahahahahahah

Anti-Flag sucks

Anti Flag has its hear in the right place, they just need to know how to get there. They lyrics ARE rather corny, and the music somewhat generic. But because they're a band who cares about more than just "chilling with their pals" or "dating" or "my girlfriend broke up with me twelve years ago when I wasnt married and I still care!" I respect them.

These aren't old guys singing about politics, they're relatively young, and when they started they were even younger. The most probable reason why their lyrics are so corny is because they were probably going through that "revolution for the sake of it" phase when they started. You always have to apreciate with people who stand up for their beliefs and dont make a-sexual music (without opinions, beliefs, or anything other than stupid love diddys).

But CRASS was better and CONFLICT is much better.