Posted by porkpie on 2003-01-21 11:37:32
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what the fuck happened to commenting on the actual dvd? hahah

Posted by sloppyblake on 2003-01-20 23:34:29
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man as friends rust don't play more than just music, it's a hairstyle? strike anywhere doesn't play notes on pulling the sky down? that blows..

i want this dvd though.

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 20, 2003 at 9:47 PM (EST)
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"Are you gonna condemn him just because he likes to be fit and strong?"

HAHAHAHAHAHA. No, I'm not. I love Black Flag, but that sounds so funny... Dont ask me... it just DOES.

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 20, 2003 at 9:41 PM (EST)
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Isn't it annoying when people try to pawn Rollins off as some steroid munching, tough guy? Little do you know that if Rollins took steroids he wouldn't look like he does AND Rollins is only 5' 9", he's really strong, but cut off all the bullshit you guys pull here. Are you gonna condemn him just because he likes to be fit and strong? fucking assholes.

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 20, 2003 at 9:38 PM (EST)
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uh...yea he WAS...not "is". Rollins circa 1984-1992 can't be beat as far as intense frontmen go.

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 20, 2003 at 8:56 PM (EST)
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"Front man" is a symbol... and no, he is by far not the greatest front man.

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 20, 2003 at 8:56 PM (EST)
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The difference between Johnny and Rollins is that Rollins didn't provoke fights and when he did HAVE to fight, he won. Johnny on the other hand, provoked shit and got his ass kicked.

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 20, 2003 at 8:54 PM (EST)
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Better singers? yeah...better front men? no. Rollins is the all time greatest frontman.

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 20, 2003 at 8:18 PM (EST)
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Rollins is a stand up comic... a crappy one. And yeah, that shit about the performance suffering because of Iggy's performance is bull. I mean, what was he supposed to do during long solos? Stand there like an idiot? I mean, Rollins was great, but NO Iggy. Not even close to Iggy's orbit... Not that many people are. But there are alot of better vocalists than Rollins. Stiv Bators, Joey Ramone, Johny Rotten (walking into the crowd and challenging them to a fight... fucking brilliant), Jim Morrison. So many more...

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 20, 2003 at 7:26 PM (EST)
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I'd say iggy went out of his way to be insane and Rollins more of just "became the music". I mean, Iggy was great, but sometimes the live show suffered because he was too busy going nuts. Rollins is great too, he pretty much evolved as the music did. I mean...watch a live perfomrance, he violently lurches his body in unthinkable ways according to the music and shook uncontrollable with Ginn's barely containable, yet amazing, free jazz solos. Then watch one of the slower songs and he just becomes a screaming beast sweating slowly.....it's pretty awesome. I agree that these days he is less intense, but he is still a better frontman than almost any other band alive. He didn't even have much muscle in the flag days so you can't hold your weak little "muscle envy" argument bullshit that you guys have going on. I mean, shit, if you're so fucking jealous go out and lift for yourself. Just because a lot of asshole lift doesn't mean that punkers shouldn't...in order to beat the assholes you must be stronger.

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 20, 2003 at 6:42 PM (EST)
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He hasn't been that electrifying lately, but you're an utter moron if you think he wasn't a great performer during the flag days, especially later day flag and early rollins band. Check out the LIVE! black flag DVD to see what I mean....and back then he didn't have much muscle to flex, so he relied on pure intensity and rage.

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 20, 2003 at 6:39 PM (EST)
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I dont think Rollins was that great of a live performer... Flexing your muscles while holding the mic and being bare foot doesnt make you great. Sorry, Iggy did everything before him and better. When I saw Rollins Band, he didn't climb up pillars. Iggy was a much better live performer.

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 20, 2003 at 5:17 PM (EST)
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blah blah blah

Posted by Vien on 2003-01-20 15:30:45
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I never ask anybody to agree with me.....It just looks like certain people's views don't seem right to me and so I'm just expressing my opinion towards them, is that so bad?

And what makes you think that I'm comparable to Ginn? Who even considered that I would even want to be him? I got my own playing style buddy.

But hey, your're right about one thing, My band isn't one of the greatest. In fact...I don't even have a band right now. At the moment I'm writing my own songs and playing all the instruments(except for drums) and when the time is right I'll recruit some members. But hey, maybe one day I will be playing 40 clubs in 40 days....I'm only 19 pal, I have a long way to go, and still have college to worry about.

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 20, 2003 at 1:35 AM (EST)
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I think Vien is either in denial or just flat out bitter that not everyone will agree with him. That's life dude. Not everyone always agrees with you. You seem to brag so much about your guitar playing, but I bet you couldn't hold a candle to Ginn...or even a Ginn wannabe. I don't see your band playing 40 clubs in 40 days....let alone one of historys greatest. Go take a long night walk....it helps me clear my head, maybe it will help clean up yours.

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 20, 2003 at 1:00 AM (EST)
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Vien hates us all!

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 20, 2003 at 12:14 AM (EST)
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from the sample songs on the website, this sounds like it might be worth picking up. Good sound quality.

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 19, 2003 at 11:14 PM (EST)
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To tell you the truth...if someone played like Ginn today it would get ALOT of attention...whether you like him or not, it was definitely ONE OF A KIND

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 19, 2003 at 6:12 PM (EST)
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Dude....Slip It In has some fucking excellent solos.....as does Paralyzed.

Posted by Vien on 2003-01-19 16:45:32
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Geez....Nobody ever said you had to be perfect to play punk rock, I just meant certain people are better than others when playing punk rock.

And please don't quote Matt Freeman. I know ALL about Rancid music. I know because I'm a bassplayer, and I can play the same stuff Matt can play (Yes, even MAXWELL MURDER). Your're sasying that all Rancid songs are complicated as hell when most of Matt's regualr bass lines are simple, there are only 3 or 4 rancid songs in thier whole catalog that I can name with a bass solo in it, And everything else is pure fun. Just listen to "Roots Radicals" and "Journey to the end of the East Bay", those songs have great bass lines, aren't really that complicating, and FUN AS HELL!!

Just pick up a guitar(or bass) yourself, and maybe then you will be glad that there are musicians like Matt Freeman around.

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 19, 2003 at 4:31 PM (EST)
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"Yes, I do agree that you DON'T have to be a prodigy to play good music, but in today's standards you gotta put out a little more complicated stuff than "three chords" (or obscure feedback) to even get noticed."

Fuck it. Now Punk has as many standards as regular rock n roll. I liked it better when it was supposed to be for people who just wanted to make music without having to fully master the guitar. Thats why its at a dead end. Gah... And old three chord punk is better anyway. Look at Matt Freeman's bass riffs... they are ultra complicated, and take a great player to create and play... but are they as much fun as the simplistic backbones to songs like "Fast Cars" or "Death Disco"? No. They actually sound kinda bland and... well... TOO perfect... That's coming from a guy who plays bass. Matt Freeman is a GREAT bassist, but they sound so complicated that after a while, it gets tiring to lsten to. "Maxwell Murder" has a great solo, but what the hell is the point of it? The bass isn't THAT entertaining... Its lost its point... Punk is no longer for punks... its for musicians.

Posted by Vien on 2003-01-19 16:23:19
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I never quoted on my comment anywhere that stated my dislike for Black Flag. They were actually my first punk rock influences, along with Minor Threat and Circle Jerks. Yes, I do agree that you DON'T have to be a prodigy to play good music, but in today's standards you gotta put out a little more complicated stuff than "three chords" (or obscure feedback) to even get noticed.

As a guitar player, I get madly bored playing easy songs let alone listen to them. Anybody could play Punk Rock, true, but not everybody can be creative, to do it well, and have an actual impact on people.

And to the comment on Ginn below, his way of playing sounded nothing like Jazz. It's just because he liked to Improvise his playing like the article said, something that was "Common" in performing Jazz music. And I'll say it again, he was never good at it. 15 min. of never ending feedback doesn't count.

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 19, 2003 at 12:41 PM (EST)
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Where the hell are the punk bands? Man, now punk is all polished, neat, and complicated!!! Why??? We need a revolution like '77! That was just GOOD MUSIC. Why the hell are all these post-punk reviews on here when nobody has reviewed the Vibrators album??? AHHH FUCK!!!

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 19, 2003 at 12:28 PM (EST)
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Amen to the guy below me. And they even show ARMY commercials in my school. I think that should be banned, and am working with all my might to get it stopped. But one kid against 20 conservative assholes who rule the school... bad odds, but I'm keeping up the good fight.

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 19, 2003 at 5:10 AM (EST)
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AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! I'm getting so sick of those stupid army comercials on TV!!! Anybody else? Thought I'd mention that, kind of random I know, but still valid. Every five minutes they have those corny "I'm an army of one" moronic comercials on. I think the commercial should be "I'm an idiot, I kill peopl for no reason, I follow orders....kill me"

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 19, 2003 at 4:32 AM (EST)
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I'd say passion and creativity are the most important quality's in musicians....technical crap comes later. I'd have to say that on "In My Head" Ginn was pretty creative, passionate and had FINALLY reached a high technical state. But before that Ginn was just an amazingly emotive and passionate jammer...and that's really all that mattaers. He's not my personal favorite, but for black flag no one could have been better suited for the music and it's tone.

Posted by waste_elite on 2003-01-19 03:31:39
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not open minded. yup, the standard line someone aims at you when you don't like their music. i have nothing against jimi hendrix, he was a phenomenal guitar player. i just happen to find black flag to be more stimulating.

punk has never been a genre known for it's technical excellence. of course there are some great musicians in the scene, but complexity was never given much of an emphasis. punk was an equalizer. unless you were a regular virtuoso back in the day, chances are you weren't going anywhere. when punk came along and stripped rock and roll down to the raw basics, it was an open invitation to any kid with a guitar and an attitude to start his own band. mmm, yeah ok, tangents. anyway, no i don't have low expectations for punk music, i just don't think you have to be a fucking guitar prodigy to make good music.

and yes, black flag flirted with wacked out jazz throughout their career.

"Greg Ginn reveals himself as a refreshingly and brilliantly free improviser and his playing should serve as an inspiration and lesson to later "punk" bands who value technical proficiency over rockin' out."

-All Music Guide

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 19, 2003 at 2:18 AM (EST)
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oh...excuse me.

Posted by Vien on 2003-01-19 01:45:00
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Ummmm.....My name is Vien.

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 19, 2003 at 1:40 AM (EST)
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damn vein you know nothing about music. bow your head in shame. you have disgraced the punk community!

Posted by Vien on 2003-01-19 01:38:51
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Mr. Waste_Elite, You obviously have low expectations for punk music. There are a ton of good Musicians in the scene. And I apologize that you aren't open-minded when it comes to listening to other types of music.
And what's this about Ginn kicking out "Avant-Jazz", I don't know what kind of "Jazz" you listed to, but it must be pretty whacked.

Posted by waste_elite on 2003-01-19 01:26:19
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yeah yeah, of course Ginn can't hold a candle to Hendrix's technical abilities. i don't think that's what the guy below was arguing at all. Ginn pushed boundaries, he was an innovator and he could kick out some pretty wicked avant-jazz/metal/noise/punk. he was fucking good at what he did, and god forbid someone prefer to listen to black flag than jimi hendrix. if technical excellence is what excites you, why the hell would you want to listen to punk in the first place?

i'll leave it at that

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 19, 2003 at 12:40 AM (EST)
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oh....I'm sure you're "experianced"....sheeesh...you kids make me laugh. "oh, i get the last word"....why don't you go out and do something instead.

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 19, 2003 at 12:15 AM (EST)
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haha. I get the last word. Ginn is no genius, so dont say he is. I mean, thats an opinion, but it is backed with such experienced ears that I think it rules as fact over your claims that he was on par with Jimi Hendrix and... hahaha... better than Keith Levene. Come on, get outa your mom's womb and listen to music outside of the hardcore genre.

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 11:57 PM (EST)
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and neither is yours....so shut the fuck up..."other guy below"...haha

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 11:42 PM (EST)
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guy below, shut up. your opinion is not fact.

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 11:07 PM (EST)
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lost what argument...stating the facts isn't an argument dude.

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 10:52 PM (EST)
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guy below, you've clearly lost this argument.

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 10:09 PM (EST)
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First off....just because you can drop names and say that no one is influenced doesn't mean that ginn isn';t a great player....it just means that you don't think he is. Secondly, ginn would never be my "hero", kid, i just think he gave the Flag it's creepy sound. Personally i think he is an asshole for talking so much shit about rollins.

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 9:32 PM (EST)
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Man, if you think Ginn is better guitarist than Keith Levene, then you need to get out and listen to more music.

Posted by Vien on 2003-01-18 21:22:27
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"Ginn's guitar playing was the same way...it was wild, unrelenting and intense."

That doesn't prove your point at all. I'm very familiar with Black Flag music, and the most I've heard from Ginn's work is never ending Feedback and Notes that make no complete sense the human ear. Of the years I've been playing guitar, I have not met anybody who was influenced by him or credited any of his work as a guitar player(well except for you, but you probrably don't even know your way around a guitar).

I can go on about Hendrix and what he's done for Guitar Rock. He wrote some of the most Memorable guitar riffs in Rock n' Roll and did it with MELODY, let me repeat....MELODY. Even fellow legends like Stevie Ray Vaughn and B.B. King was heavily influenced by Hendrix. He also developed his signature Vibrato technique in his solos that every young guitar player in the world still tries to emulate today. Even Mr. Hendrix is making more money and Influencing more peeple dead that Ginn having been alive all these years.

So how are they alike again? There is no way in hell these two are comparable. Find yourself a new hero.

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 7:42 PM (EST)
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Well, here's my point guys....Jimi Hendrix was an innovator and a creative genius...some people argue that he had no beat and no melody, but that isn't where his genius was....his genius was in his mindbending solos and utterly amazing work. It was mind bending. Ginn's guitar playing was the same way...it was wild, unrelenting and intense. It wasn't quite as well put together as Hendrix's.....but I would still consider Ginn one of the best guitarists of the past 20 years. I mean, his insane solos combined with Rollin's unbirdeled intensity is what MADE Black Flag the live legend that it was. And I do think early Rollins Band is better than PiL...why? Because before Rollins became commercially successful those albums (Hard Volume, End of Silence, LifeTime) were just unrelenting, musically the band was masterful and Rollins hadn't gotten to his "speak not scream" stage yet, it was still primal and awesome.

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 7:24 PM (EST)
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If you think Ginn was a genius, then Levene must be a god or something. I mean, he was good, and did his job great. But please dont compare some punk guitarist to Jimi Hendrix... Dont point to talent that ain't there.

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 7:21 PM (EST)
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My God! Whoever hates PiL, go out and buy Second Edition. Its the greatest fucking album to be released on CD for only 11.99. And yeah, they were TONS better than Rollins band. Sorry, black flag guy.

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 6:27 PM (EST)
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ehhhh...fuck off. Greg Ginn was a genius (unfortuanately he never progressed much after Flag). He was a creative genius. And Early Rollins Band (pre-Weight) is better than Pil...sorry Waste.

Posted by waste_elite on 2003-01-18 18:01:22
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PiL is better than rollins band, sorry buddy

Posted by Vien on 2003-01-18 17:52:57
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Greg Ginn a Genius? Oh please....Don't start that shit again. And to the idiot that actually compared Ginn to Jimi Hendrix, go shoot yourself.

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 4:49 PM (EST)
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I don't beat people up for drinking you dumbass.....hell, i think drugs should be legal, i think if you wan to do it...fine. Straight edge was never about that....didn't i specifically say in my paragraph that the whole cult thing was pathetic? yes i did. I was really refering to what it ORIGINALLY meant, not what it has become you twit. Almost all of my friends drink all the time....it may be unhealthy, but I still think they're the greatest. Check yourself before you say something. And early Rollins Band rocked. Far better than PiL.

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 12:56 PM (EST)
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"Just because people"

meant to say I

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 12:55 PM (EST)
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"quit cowering from your life through booze, drugs, hatred, ignorance, and idiocy"

Just because people dont like Straight Edge doesnt mean I'm a drunk pot head who womanizes. In fact, I've never smoked pot or gotten drunk. I just think its stupid to decide that people deserve to be beaten to near death because of what they consume. I mean, if they want to self destruct, thats their choice. Me or you kicking their ass to near death is not going to help the situation... crappy music doesnt help either (Rollin's Band)...Keith Levene of the early Clash and PiL is probably my favorite guitarist.

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 10:17 AM (EST)
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I had to say something....

Just because one elects to indulge in alcohol, drugs, etc. he is "cowering from his/her life". You are ignorant. Stop trying to be so goddamn self-righteous and realize that leading a vanilla life does not make you any better than anyone else. Prick.

-sickboi

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 12:57 AM (EST)
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oh hahaha....straight edge sucks, greg ginn sucks...oh haha....shows how fucking stupid you little fuckers are. I'll admit the whole "Straight Edge" scene and cult is completely idiotic, the original meaning is awesome. It's basically just an intelligent and healthy lifestyle. So fuck all the little drunk and high fucks who cut down people who'd rather be using their brain or fuckng their girlfriend. And Greg Ginn blows away the Jam like no one's business. Greg has jammed out some of the most intense, gutwrenching and emotive jazzy blues solos I have ever heard. There are guitarists who stick to the original format and do well ((Eddie Van Halen) and then there are the ones who create, invent and chart out strange new territory (Greg Ginn, Jimi Hendrix), yeah you heard me. Get out of your parents house and if you are...then quit cowering from your life through booze, drugs, hatred, ignorance, and idiocy.

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 12:05 AM (EST)
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I can't believe I just read that whole page of comments, that made me feel much dumber. All I have to say is hahaha.

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 17, 2003 at 9:54 PM (EST)
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"Black Flag and Mall Punk shouldn't even be in the same sentence."

I never said they were mall punk. I just that their name is always dropped along with the likes of the Dead Kennedys and the Misfits when a mall punk is trying to talk like he knows who started punk. And yeah, Straight Edge sucks.

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 17, 2003 at 9:51 PM (EST)
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Whatever. Rollins is a big fuckin joke and knows it. EDGE music sucks ass... the Jam will forever rule over them. And that Greg guy sucks.

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 17, 2003 at 9:26 PM (EST)
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To the person below me: There are plenty of bands that broke up before I was born. However, this does in no way mean that I don't know about them or can't listen to them.

Anyhow, I'd like to get this DVD, anyone know where I can find it?

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 17, 2003 at 6:10 PM (EST)
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Black Flag and Mall Punk shouldn't even be in the same sentence. First off, you say that the Jam was the only band capable of playing their instruments...sorry dude, but if you can't recognize the genius of Greg Ginn, I honestly feel sorry for your pathetic soul. Secondly, what the hell would a bunch of 15 year old wannabe punks who listen to Good Charlotte and Sum 41 know about an amazing band like Black Flag? A band that broke up before they were even born. Don't ever try to pon off a band like black flag as a "mall punk" band you little twirp, I don't think there was a band that cared less about fashion and trends than Black flag, one look at the band in '84 and you'll know what I mean. That band expressed themselves through music and gut wrenchingly frenetic and violent live performances.

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 17, 2003 at 5:57 PM (EST)
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I was just reversing what you said to me about me mentioning Black Flag and how I just said their name becuase everyone does, while claiming I was a mall punk. I happen to think they're one of the best punk bands of all time, along with all the bands I mentioned. I just don't think the Jam were any good, I don't like the style and it just doesn't do anything for me.

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 17, 2003 at 5:23 PM (EST)
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"I was refering to you thinking they were better than Black Flag, like a mall punk would think"

Uh... Would a mall punk even know who the Jam were? Dont think so. You're lucky if a mall punk knows who the Ramones are anymore. And just because the Jam didnt make "hardcore" or whatever, does that mean that only "mall punks" like them? I mean, do you have to make music like early 80s bands NOT to be a mall punk? I totally disagree with you. The Jam were anything BUT mall punk, and anything BUT hardcore punk. They were just PUNK. Sorry if I have more knowledge than you on this one, but don't get too offended. I honestly like the Dead Kennedys and Black Flag, but when people diss the one punk band that KNEW how yo play their instruments, and then call them "generic 80s music", it kinda pisses me off. Go out and buy "SNAP", the Jam comp. Its mostly their early stuff, only the last three songs being from their last album (which I'll admit, is lackluster). Anybody could go to some site and see that the Jam broke up in '82. But only an idiot would assume that they were "mall punk".

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 17, 2003 at 2:03 PM (EST)
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Har Har Har.....

-sickboi

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 17, 2003 at 1:40 PM (EST)
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"Think I'm a "mall punk"? I'm not the one saying the jam is better than black flag"

"Oh yeah. You know how popular the Jam are. They are huge among the kids these days. And Black Flag... who are they? I've never heard of them outside of them being shoved in my face whenever I hear an ignorant wannabe-hardcore punk ranting about his favorite bands, which happen quite often on this site."

I wasn't saying The Jam was a mall punk band. I was refering to you thinking they were better than Black Flag, like a mall punk would think. I'm not going to argue with you about why I'm not a mall punk or a "wannabe-hardcore punk". I'm not in 8th grade, I don't need to prove myself to you when you keep saying I'm a mall punk, even when I tell you I'm not. Fuck off.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 11:51 PM (EST)
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That guy has never heard black flag?! oh well, no one's perfect. I guess it would be a problem that they have been broken up since '86. but the name dropping usually happens due to the fact that they had a live show that no one could top and music as crushing as a 500 lb weight dropped from the sears tower!

Posted by waste_elite on 2003-01-16 23:26:05
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yes the jam do indeed rule, there's no question about that. just watch the fucking talk about black flag and DK.

all of them kick ass, no point in picking sides.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 11:14 PM (EST)
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"Think I'm a "mall punk"? I'm not the one saying the jam is better than black flag"

Oh yeah. You know how popular the Jam are. They are huge among the kids these days. And Black Flag... who are they? I've never heard of them outside of them being shoved in my face whenever I hear an ignorant wannabe-hardcore punk ranting about his favorite bands, which happen quite often on this site.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 11:12 PM (EST)
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Man, saying the DK are better than the Jam is like saying that Slayer is better than the Clash. How naive.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 11:10 PM (EST)
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Indeed the Jam do rule

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 11:06 PM (EST)
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"In the city theres a thousand men in uniforms, I hear they now have the right to kill a man..." - The Jam!

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 9:13 PM (EST)
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"Make you pathetic arguement elsewhere, thanks."

"Make your pathetic spelling errors elsewhere, thanks."

I think you want to add grammatical error, too. Why would try and make fun of someone's spelling? What a dildo.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 9:09 PM (EST)
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Ok, you got me. I'm 24 and I asked my dad what bands he listened to in the 80s. Besides the fact that they were together up until 1982, I guess you got me on a technical error. So, what's your point? I was defending strike anywhere as not being a mall punk band and I think the Jam suck. Plain and Simple. The bottom line is here shit brains, The Jam weren't better than Black Flag, or DK, or Minor Threat...what a joke. Do you not like my opinion? I don't care. Think I'm a "mall punk"? I'm not the one saying the jam is better than black flag. Go away.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 8:43 PM (EST)
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"Make you pathetic arguement elsewhere, thanks."

Make your pathetic spelling errors elsewhere, thanks.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 8:40 PM (EST)
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"Talk about forgetful, they can't even be mentioned in the same sentance with Black Flag, The Clash, DK, or Minor Threat."

HAHAHAHA! Talk about forgetful, you forgot that you're just some mall punk who listens to popular old music. You probably have never even heard the Jam! Or do they not scream enough? Or are their amps turned up too much? Or is it the fact that they were from the 70s and you think they were from the 80s? Its probably the latter, as seeing that the Jam were ten times better than any of the bands you listed, 'cept for the Clash. But you dont impress me by ragging off band names that you've never heard. Probably ran up to your dad and asked "what bands did you listen to in the 80s?" When he proceded to say "uhm, nothing because I was out getting this family rich by being a yuppie." you responded by going to some punk FAQ and writing down some names. HAVE FUN, CYBER GEEK. JUST REMEMBER, THERE IS NOTHING WORSE THAN TRYING TO OUT-PUNK PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET!!!

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 8:33 PM (EST)
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"The Jam were generic 80s music"

Uh... I like these two bands, but the Jam formed in the 70s. Please learn more about bands and actually listen to them before you defend your inferior bands by dissing them.

Oh yeah, went to the Strike Anywhere show. They were great. The singer got really intense, and I think "melodic screams" is a good description.

Just dont diss bands you've never heard of. That goes for you too, Jam guy!

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 6:43 PM (EST)
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hmm I wonder if this jam person has even heard strike anywhere or as friends rust.....hmmmmmm

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 6:25 PM (EST)
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Ok, I listen to old school punk rock, I really do. But the Jam is fucking shit. Talk about forgetful, they can't even be mentioned in the same sentance with Black Flag, The Clash, DK, or Minor Threat. The Jam were generic 80s music. Like it or not, Strike Anywhere is one of the best hardcore bands out there and have more balls and better lyrics than anything The Jam could ever dream of. Mall Punk? Strike Anywhere isn't fucking mall punk or anything close to it. Make you pathetic arguement elsewhere, thanks.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 6:00 PM (EST)
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I have never really listened to the Jam, but to say that these two bands are "unimportant" because they won't be remembered in 20 years is irrelevant. You know why? Because many great bands have been forgotten from the early days of punk and a bunch of shitty 80's cheese metal bands are still remembered.
So, in other words, shitty, MTV based music will probably live longer in memory of the unknowing masses than good bands, unfortuantely. But I'm not sure of The Jam..never heard them. Some excellent bands have been remembered from the past though...I mean, Minor Threat and Black Flag broke up almost 20 years ago and are still remembered. so it can go both ways

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 4:33 PM (EST)
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"The Jam suck"

^has never heard the Jam^

I hate mallpunks who think that punk music actually means something, and they think they know just what it means. Well suck my toes. The Jam made great music and are a ton more relevant than these two bands. Yeah, in 30 years nobody will know who these guys are. The Jam still have a big following to this day. Oh yeah, try listening to something BEFORE 1990.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 4:02 PM (EST)
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I just found the most ignorant post ever put on this website (which by the way is a pretty hard title to earn): "Strike Anywhere sucks."

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 3:01 PM (EST)
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Strike Anywhere sucks.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 12:37 PM (EST)
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Strike Anywhere is awesome...but for some reason I always thought AFR was a poppy band...I don't know where the fuck I heard that...AFR is pretty fucking awesome too.

Posted by waste_elite on 2003-01-15 18:52:15
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i was pissed to find out that SA played the ottobar, that must've been such a kickass show

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 15, 2003 at 11:39 AM (EST)
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I'm not too fond of bands doing DVD's, but I'm such a huge fan of both bands that i just might have a use for my room-mate's DVD player after all.-SaYnE_GuY

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 15, 2003 at 11:20 AM (EST)
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fao wussemorock

the show was at the Camden Undergorund in London (UK).

I was there, it rocked!

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 15, 2003 at 6:36 AM (EST)
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Right-on sickboi,anyone who is anyone knows strikeanywhere is one of the most exciting bands in punk. I hope they come up to ottobar again soon-oldpunker-

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 15, 2003 at 3:37 AM (EST)
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What? just about any band? strike anywhere rocks....if fucking shitty bands like NFG and simple plan get dvds, then what the fuck is wrong with great bands getting them? By the way, DVD's are very cheap and simple to make. Basically anyone with a dvd burner and software can do it...that's a couple hundred bucks.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 15, 2003 at 3:34 AM (EST)
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seems like just about any band can get a dvd now...

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 15, 2003 at 1:58 AM (EST)
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nah i'm not talking shit...I just think your comparison doesn't make much sence thats all. Damien sounds NOTHING like kid rock. I mean if said something like Greg Graffin sounds like the dude from Saliva people would respond alot like I did...

Posted by Obscene_Jesture on 2003-01-15 01:50:23
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Hey, to me the guys voice sounds a little like Kid Rock.....

Sorry I am not into AFR as much as other people, so lets do what we all use to do back in middle/high school and talk shit... damn children.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 11:22 PM (EST)
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"It sounded like a hardcore Kid Rock band to me. "

man what kind of drug were you on when you were listening to it?

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 11:09 PM (EST)
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You know where I can get this DVD for cheap. I got empty pockets. Jam sucka

Ramo

Posted by porkpie on 2003-01-14 22:48:40
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i beleive that these shows were filmed on the same night when the bands were in england together on their last european tour. i can't remember the location or the name of the club, though. you can find out at the punkervision site or punkband.tv, for sure.

i oredered the dvd a while ago and it still hasn't arrived. i can't wait to watch it though.

-brent

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 8:48 PM (EST)
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The Jam rock, but I doubt you've heard one song of theirs!

FUCK NEW PUNK!

WE WANT THE JAM!!!

Posted by Obscene_Jesture on 2003-01-14 20:31:36
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Strike Anywhere rocks.

I cannot get in AFR though, I have only heard the CD "Won". It sounded like a hardcore Kid Rock band to me. I just couldnt get into them...

Are the other AFR CD's any good?

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 7:45 PM (EST)
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i cannot wait for the new S.A. album

Posted by Hamish on 2003-01-14 19:11:29
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i will most likely buy this.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 6:22 PM (EST)
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Actually, "pointless" as in no point or relivance to the topic. I could make up a random thought and throw in this DVD and say it has a point. But, then I'd be wrong. Thanks for the help though.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 6:19 PM (EST)
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The definition of "pointless" is "to be without a point." The guy's post was about how he wants to buy the Jam's DVD. That's the point. Perhaps you meant "the post that I really disagreed with and couldn't think of a better argument against."

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 6:17 PM (EST)
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Strike Anywhere puts on a killer show. I'm buying this shit.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 6:16 PM (EST)
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"I think I'll wait til I can afford the Jam documentary. It is a film that comes with another disc, which has an entire live show by them. And the Jam were ten times better than these bands live."

If it was still 2002 I would nominate this post as: "Most pointless post of the year"

The Jam suck

Posted by Geetarchick on 2003-01-14 17:27:11
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I. will. own. this. soon.

Posted by WussEmoRock on 2003-01-14 17:11:11
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by chance do you know where the shows were taped at?

*****Wuss-Emo-Rock*****

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 4:49 PM (EST)
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I'm totally buying this

Posted by travis on 2003-01-14 16:46:06
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thank you for the review. ive been wondering if this was any good. ill have to pick it up, as strike anywhere and as friends rust blow shit up.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 4:33 PM (EST)
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AFR...boring? Well, if Newjackshit says it, it must be true.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 4:28 PM (EST)
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I think I'll wait til I can afford the Jam documentary. It is a film that comes with another disc, which has an entire live show by them. And the Jam were ten times better than these bands live.

Posted by newjackshit on 2003-01-14 15:52:51
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strike anywhere are incredible. it's nice to see a political band play that kind of hardcore. it isn't all fast and it isn't all chugga chugga...it's screaming guitar rock&roll. as friends rust however...should have stopped once they weren't members of hotwatermusic and good bands...now they are ultra boring....however, they are fucking huge in Europe.