oh, and "that" being the afformentioned quote i had put at the top which i was responding to.

"Simple...perhaps not ALL religions are facist....but many of the "rules" and "values" of Chrisitanity and other mainstream religions are very ignorant. The belief that one goes to hell for sins is flat out fucked up...there's no denying it."

despite this being like 2 years old, it caught my eye. this person is retarded, same goes for this whole chain of responses. but this person in particular because of the last sentence mainly. the belief is that one goes to hell because he/she does not believe in God and has not accepted Him into his/her life. the Bible says that everyone sins, everyone is born a sinner. the person who wrote that is an imbecile.

whatever, either way, this is a "hardcore" band and hardcore is a place where people are to come together and to be united. to share what they believe, whatever that may be, and to have equal and mutual respect for others and what they believe in. it's these stupid kids that come on these damn websites every day to try and put down someone else over the fucking INTERNET that make me laugh and realize how retarded this country, and scene, is becoming.

How come every review on this site turns into some stupid argument about the "hardcoreness" of a band

Admittedly a bit generic, but this album is fantastic. Donnie... is an amazing track.

one of my favorite albums to date. even though as talked about previously on this page, i enjoy a fair deal of grindcore and i also love evergreen terrace.

heh if you have something to say, pussy, why don't you try not clicking the 'anonymous' button when you do it? fucking piece of shit

im not mexican but i like mexican food

what the hell are you talking about? fans of grindcore shit wouldn't enjoy this band at all.

if you'll notice, morons, i never said evergreen terrace was grindcore. i just said if you _liked_ grindcore, this wouldn't be too far of a stretch. suck my balls.

Grind-core? What the hell? Evergreen Terrace isn't grind-core.

Who's to say what's accurate? Anyone who follows rules from a book written 2000 years ago (supposedly) probably by someone jerk off trying to get people to follow him. How much blood has been spilt over religious conflicts? More than any other cause! The crusades, the ongoing conflict in the middleeast, when euorpeans first settled the americas they cowardly murdered all the natives, much because they thought they were "animals" for having different (and might I add more peaceful) beliefs. Religion in general brainwashes people from birth, or people who are weak chose to find solace in "god".

it's a good thing that all the dicks who have nothing to say ("when did a reveiw post become a debate board") post anonymously.

but anyway... i know this makes things much more hard to follow, but christianity is far from what the bible says. jesus and all his buddies or whatever have been misquoted and mistranslated FAR beyond the point of accuracy. so there. >:P

exactly!

exhaustra

generic metal......sounds like it could be on the radio.

when did a reveiw post become a debate board

I didn't say THEY were facist, but their beliefs are....according to the bible atleast...I mean, if they don't go by the bible then you could argue against me, but christians who believe the bible and the "word of god" believe in many facist ideas.

christian zealots are indeed fascist in my eyes, but yes, calling all christians fascists is a bit much.

No. I agree with you.

they are not "questioning" it. they are calling those who follow it fascists. does nobody see how this is narrowminded? am i the only one here?

"all of you who criticize religion are stupid as fuck."

why is criticizing religion stupid? everything should be questioned.

Simple...perhaps not ALL religions are facist....but many of the "rules" and "values" of Chrisitanity and other mainstream religions are very ignorant. The belief that one goes to hell for sins is flat out fucked up...there's no denying it.

yeah i mean, i didnt really wanna explain my own religious views becuz theyd most likely be criticized, i'm an atheist, but follor a lot of the beliefs of unitarian universalism and existentialism.

I'm going to have to concur with evilmidget. Personally, I'm an atheist, but I dont around bashing other people for their beliefs. You're being ignorant and hypocritical.

first of all, you are way off. religion is a very long-lasting tradition, and you are probably the most presumptious person i have ever heard from by saying that it is fascist. it is obvious you do not know much about religion. maybe if you knew anything about any religions besides the most common, because your statements do not represent very many. i dont see how you could possibly see how you could be so ignorant. what you are assumingis that you are right, and everyone else is wrong. this is EXACTLY what you are criticizing religions for. this would make you a hypocrite. how do you know you are right? you are being IGNORANT. i dont know how better to explain this.

No it's not, i mean...if you believe those things then you are obviously facist....there's no other way of putting it.

Calling anyone who believes in religion fascist is just as closeminded as the things you complain about religion doing.

Anybody who believes in an organized religion is a facist....you know why? Almost all religions believe that "sinners" go to hell and that "divine command" is the ultimate power. That is ignorance, pure ignorance. Just as racism and censorship is ignorant. I don't "hate" anyone, even though you said that I do. I just think people need to use their OWN minds a little bit more and let go of the bullshit, ignorant restraints that surround them. I see it everyday, people putting other people down for doing things that all humans should do.....like having sex. I've seen many religious bastards bag on people for fucking a lot or before marriage, it's just stupid, weak bullshit. Life is short, get off with attractive people as much as possible. That's not to say love isn't great, it is....but sex is a biological impulse, it is natural to want to bang a hot chick....let go of your inhibitions.

and one more thing, grindcore and emocore both suck, avril lavigne is the shit. check back later when i review her debut cd. i think that'll be a lotta fun.

thats me, evilmidget2, who just posted that. i also think its funny that the reviewers name is soulbleed. not that evilmidget2 is high-brow as fuck or anything, thats just probably the most stupid, dorky name i've ever heard. he probly has some nile and cannibal corpse to go listen to or some shit.

all of you who criticize religion are stupid as fuck. you're doing the exact same thing you ACCUSE religions of doing: hating those who are unlike you. and by the way, not all christians believe that everybody who is different from them is going to hell, thats a sweeping generalization. unlike you, christians can think for themselves. that also goes for atheists, jews, whatever. and saying religion promotes ignorance and that all people who follow religion should crawl out from under their rock? you guys are stupid as fuck.just because you dont follow a religion doesnt mean you need to bash it.

i usually dont feel the need to chime in on this political shit cuz its you dumb, unintelligent, uncultured, ignorant-as-all-hell bastards whining about how the government, religion, all that stuff oppresses people, when you dont know the first fucking thing about it. i wish there was no punk, so all you pampered bitches wouldnt have a forum to whine about "the man" keeping you down. and if you want to tell me that your politics werent influenced by the music you listen to, take a look around and wonder why every single kid in your "scene", save four or five, is a pacifist, anti-racist, atheist (or at least not a follower of organized religion), liberal, etc. now shut the fuck up, cuz i'm in the middle of praying to my lord and savior Jesus Christ. and if that went over your head, your obviously beyond my reach.

hardcore is about fun, genuine positivity, circle pits, diy and most of all FAST MUSIC.

all the shitty bands you people listen to and refer to as "hardcore" dont have any of that. bands like what happens next?, tear it up, lifes halt, etc. all stay true to what hardcore is about. no metal riffs, no tough guy bullshit, no kickboxing crap. just fun fast music.

you are correct about open hand, they have much more of a marketable sound than evergreen does. and i know that they're not on a major, but with so many bands being picked up these days, it just wouldn't surprise me.
btw, i've enjoyed our back and forth here, thanks for not jumping down my neck for having opinions. take care,
exhaustra

ET isn't on a major label for one thing, and if you aren't going to define hardcore don't say this band isn't hardcore. I don't really think they've dumbed down the genre or the niche they've found in said genre. I also think we'll be seeing far more pop punk kids picking up Open Hand's latest CD than this one. That's not a shot at Open Hand, but they're more accesible soundwise than ET.

Top 5 LPs in no particular order:
Dark Day Dawning-Nothing I Wouldn't Give

Bane-Give Blood

Faded Grey-Quiet Time Of Desperation

Poison the Well-Opposite of December

Shai Hulud-Hearts Once Nourished With Hope And Compassion

the following comment from your pal, exhaustra

fortyminuteswest. & everybody else.
i did not and do not claim to be some sort of uber-punk. while my statements were harsh, i feel that they are justified (at least in my head anyway...). sure ET is a good band, great musicians, catcy songs, super-cool jumpkicks on stage, etc; i don't argue with that. i do have problems with bands that find a niche, copy it, and then dumb it down. ET is not a real hardcore band, i'm sorry. however, i'm not going to define hardcore for you because 1. it's not possible to define a musical movement (re. 'emo') and 2. hardcore is long since dead. neither will i list bands that i like because 1. i have no idea where to start (how about we start a top 5 hardcore LP list?) and 2. i actually listen to some of these bands that i'm typing about. hypocrite? sure, why not; i've been called worse. i was just trying to mix it up a bit, get some kids to think outside the box. did it work? anyone care? this whole thing is ours, you know. punk, hardcore, whatever-core shouldn't be on TV, shouldn't be in the mall. take part! form a band (who cares if you don't play!), make a zine, put on a show. see? it all works without major labels, booking agents, and websites.
i'm done. here are MY current top 5 hardcore LP's in no particular order.
dag nasty 'can i say'
bad brains 'black dots'
gorilla biscuits 'start today'
cast iron hike 'watch it burn'
open hand 'evolutions'

Lyrics are half of what makes music enjoyable...I sure as hell couldn't listen to a band that is racist or religious, because the lyrics promote ignorance. Usually MUSIC is a combination of the listener relating to the lyrics and loving the music. I n many cases, the lyrics are EVEN MORE important if they speak to you well. In Bad Religion's case, not only are the melodys awesome and the playing superb....but what set's Bad Religion apart from ALL other bands in all genres is Greg's extremely intelligent lyrics and the issues they tackle. It's pretty cool stuff, I'm taking philosophy & sociology courses for a masters right now and I have emailed Greg many questions for his opinion and he has answered...it's cool having frontmen who can do more than drink themselves into a stupper.

you stupid fucks and to the kid who wants to know how a Christian band is influenced by bad religion you are a retard. the may are may not believe in what Greg graffin has to say but that’s just lyrics and the lyrics aren’t the music. I draw influence from straight edge bands but im not straight edge, oh my god isn’t that an amazing concept. and just to add this cd is amazing

"there's really no difference in evergreen's 'hardcore' and the latest pop-punk sensation. they dress the same, they act the same, probably went to (or are still in) the same high school together. their albums get marketed to the same kids, same zines, same sites, shit they'll be label-mates on island or epic sooner or later. there's no more meaning in one band screaming over a double-bass pedal or one band harmonizing over an acoustic guitar...IT ALL SUCKS. sure evergreen doesn't sound exactly like poison the well, but FUCKING CLOSE ENOUGH! don't you people want something different? are you really ok with listening to the same crap band after crap band? newsflash...punk, hardcore, whatever you're calling it this week, doesn't exsist anymore. punk is now just an idea and the musical translations we are being bombarded with are weak parodies of their predecessors. remember when punk was dangerous? exciting? no, i guess you don't.

how are you hardcore evergreen fans going to react when they end up on trl?

your pal, exhaustra"

Remember when there used to be new and exciting comments instead of the same old "remember when" or "I was into punk before (insert name here)" bullshit? Oh my, look at how E.T. dress, oh look where they grew up, let's pass them off for stupid petty reasons. If you really think Eulogy is marketing this release to Simple Plan fans then you're either insane, or Eulogy is doing a very poor job. I'd be curious to see what you listen to, since you're the omega uber punk/hardcore god.

My parents never said "peace man"....I'm the only one saying that!!! It sucks having conservative parents! Oh well....atleast i don't still live with them, unlike some of you. And "Edgers" and "vegans" don't think that anyone not like them goes to hell, but Christians do....that is why religion is pathetic. Weak minds needing help or an excuse to condemn other people I guess....just do what you want, fuck what some book or code says. If you want to be healthy then don't drink, if you do't want to eat meat then don't...i don't.

Faggggggots

why does everybody have to fucking slag everyone else off all the fucking time? what is your fucking problems? all your crappy labels, like christian, edgers, vegans etc... fuck em. believing in God and going to church shouldnt make you a christian coz of all the negative connotations like the guy earlier who was talking about their violence. eating healthily and herbivorly shouldnt make you an edger for exactly the same reason as above. take a lesson from your parents... peace man. i understand you want to call people on their shit but insults get nowhere

by the way that review was shit, you could have at least linked the bands website even if you had nothing intelligent to say about the record

there's really no difference in evergreen's 'hardcore' and the latest pop-punk sensation. they dress the same, they act the same, probably went to (or are still in) the same high school together. their albums get marketed to the same kids, same zines, same sites, shit they'll be label-mates on island or epic sooner or later. there's no more meaning in one band screaming over a double-bass pedal or one band harmonizing over an acoustic guitar...IT ALL SUCKS. sure evergreen doesn't sound exactly like poison the well, but FUCKING CLOSE ENOUGH! don't you people want something different? are you really ok with listening to the same crap band after crap band? newsflash...punk, hardcore, whatever you're calling it this week, doesn't exsist anymore. punk is now just an idea and the musical translations we are being bombarded with are weak parodies of their predecessors. remember when punk was dangerous? exciting? no, i guess you don't.
how are you hardcore evergreen fans going to react when they end up on trl?
your pal, exhaustra

I don't see what straight edge and veganism has to do with christianity. I'm a "straight edge" (as in I don't drink, smoke or eat garbage....but I do "fuck"...not the cult straight edge shit), plus I'm a vegetarian, mainly because it's healthier and the way they kill animals is fucked....enough fat people in this country already, they don't need more beef. But I think Religion, especially christianity, is fucking stupid. Anyone who believes that shit needs to crawl out of that rock they've been hiding under. Dude, if Ilived in your town I'd make it my mission to beat the shit out of those little god boys.

Before I moved to college, the only scene in the town I lived in was Christian hardcore. The fans suck. They're generally violent straight edgers or vegans who like to do lots of spin kicking and high kicking. They punch people intentionally and start fights. I love to dance, but I wasn't getting anywhere near those washed up Christ jocks and their intolerant attitude. They'd probably have beat the shit me if they ever found out I didn't believe in their religion. Anyway, this was the only band I ever got a cd of at one of these shows. They kept the music interesting and their lyrics weren't all of that "Christ help me kill the blasphemers". That was their old cd. I haven't heard the new one, but if it's like the old one it's not straight up chugga-chugga-chugga, their music's pretty good even if their scene sucks.

pretty good dancing music? maybe if you're into shitty kickboxing. booo kickboxing. that shit is lame. mosh.

hm...i don't hear the "bad religion influence."
regardless, this is a good band. not amazing, but good.

umm, only one guy in the band is christian..its good to see you want everyone to know how uninformed you are though...and it was released on eulogy

amazing stuff...even more amazing live show

how could a stupid christian band name a great band like bad religion as their influence?!

Probably good dancing music. Anyone know what label this album is on?

Like soneone said before... Evergreen Terrace is the street the Simpsons live on.... and thats good enough for me. I will have to check this band out later.. but they sounds kinda the same as every other band I hear about lately.-BostonMusicGuy

Posted by Anonymous on 2003-01-24 17:01:01
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generic metalcore. chug, chug ,scream sing, scream, chug chug, scream, sing, scream, sing, chug chug chug chug.

True dat.

Grindcore has been around forever...before any of these hip new quasi-genres.

fuck christians

i agree with reeko, genre names are obnoxious...grindcore, emocore, metalcore...whats next semi-nu-metalcore, and popcore?

evergreen terrace is the name of the street the simpsons live on.

and what the fuck is grindcore? and why does every genre of music mentioned on this site have to end with 'core' anymore?

-reeko

Great CD, but these guys sure as hell are nothing close to grindcore.

i dig evergreen terrace... but uh this review didn't exactly make me go buy their album. maybe you shoulda described some of the songs a bit..

"Evergreen Terrace is not one to disappoint any fan of the grindcore scene."

umm. grindcore? have you even listened to a grind band before? becuase evergreen terrace has nothing to do with grind.

generic metalcore. chug, chug ,scream sing, scream, chug chug, scream, sing, scream, sing, chug chug chug chug.

fuck christian hardcore

from first to last is touring with them i believe.

www.mp3.com/fftl
www.acornweb.com/ftl

I used to be in a band way before these guys also called Evergreen Terrace. Then I left the band and they changed the name to The Full Nine, but not that one. Therefore, I automatically hate both of those bands for stealing our names.

They rock.

yeah id like more in the review, like why it stands out from the other bands.

OK review, amazing band, amazing album. FLA in the hiz-ouse!

excellent album