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Published on March 25th 2003 So NOFX is now officially on Fat, and to kick it off they released an EP that is a “teaser” by anyone’s definition. 3 of the 4 songs will be on their anti-Dubya full length “The War on Errorism” due out May 6th, and the 5th track is a hilarious ad for it. “Medio-core” is a great song, and a bit of a departure from NOFX’s standard procedure. It’s got a slow bass-driven groove with a sparse yet cool guitar part and great backing vocals, and a bit of swing in the later verses. This is interspersed with louder, more typical NOFX parts, and the song breaks into double time in the end. A more traditional sounding “Idiots are Taking Over” has a break-neck tempo that slows down for a ska bridge. Yeah, I though they said they would never play ska again… and no, this is not reggae. I have no problem with it though, but they should have put some of Hefe’s trumpet in there, I miss it! Anyway, the song speeds up again and has some Melvin screams towards the end, but it is really nothing new or super-good, just decent. “Franco Un-American” is a good song, but it surprised me in starting out with a cliché synth part. It works in this mid-tempo poppy political song, which, ever since I first heard it, reminds me of “Quart in Session.” Also, this song doesn’t have anything to do with the company that makes Spaghetti-O’s. Sorry. Hardcore 84 is the one song that will not be on “The War on Errorism.” It is an early 80’s style hardcore song obviously, with Eric Melvin on lead vocals, appropriately. It goes through the years 81-84 with verses I can’t understand and then a chorus that represents that year’s hardcore (that’s one guess). It’s worth a listen, but not worth buying the EP just to hear it. The last track, the ad, plays some clips from other songs off the full length, with El Hefe doing his best announcer voice over it. The concept sounds lame, but they pull it off with some funny parts like when Hefe plays a clip and Fat Mike says, “dude…that one didn’t make the record.”
So, is this EP worth getting? No. Just wait for the full length, unless you can get this real cheap or free. Just as they say of their full length at the end of the ad, “Also available for free on the internet.” Keep in mind this score is for the tracks themselves, (sort of a hypothesis on the scoring of “The War on Errorism”) not the overall worth of this teaser EP.
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this is the kick in the head music a person needs these days very average songs on this. the 5th track ad was originally a ramones idea and can be found as the last track on the animal boy (expanded) album. This is not the best thing they've ever done , especially for Franco Un-American , but this song is made for the lyrics , and they are good . For the full EP , I just think that the songs are just good , Medio Core and Hardcore 84 are songs about the history of the band , and The Idiots are Taking Over is a really goods song , lyrics and music ( Fat Mike is getting better and better for the bass , believe me i play the bass , and the intro of this song is just fuckin hard to play ) . So , I think that NOFX history is taking a new turn , it's still NOFX but the sound is cleaner ( too bad for Hardcore 84 , 'cause a fucked up sound would have been nice for this song ) , Medio Core's verses shows us another new side of NOFX : the groove one ( I didn't expected this one...)> So just wait for the full lenth , i know NOFX , it will be very good , 'cause there are many things to say about W.Bush , and Fat Mike won't miss this idiot son of an asshole's face. yeah this is only an ep so i dont take it that big and i personally dont think it was that bad. i was just wondering tho, does anyone know anything about the songs "reeko" and "glass wax". what happened to actually reviewing the music, or has that just been lost in the mix? your psuedo-intrlligent sociopolitical babblings have no place in a music review. sorry for the digression. as far as the music goes: this is a stagnant, overdefined, unoriginal release. nofx needs to break away from the formulaic bullshit, and stop rerecording the same mediocrity. Ok, I'm the first who predicts it: Irak will win the war. USA will have to enter Bagdad to win, which is impossible. everyone loves sarcasm in this thread. Fuck.... great review, but this guy was unfair giving this score.... hey america? why does everyone hate you? You would have given that up a long time ago if you had a mind. Organized religion is a joke. maybe you're right, the right to freedom was OBTAINED on the frontlines and through bloodshed. but this freedom, what we call a democratic government, is propely MAINTAINED by the people's dissent. protesting, boycotting, and even sometimes improper civil disobedience is what keeps our current social and political system in check. one of the most important characteristic which gives birth to the presevation of democracy is the fact that the government does have to answer the people. without this, you have what you call fascism. just something to think about.. religion is a joke. not just organized religion. i like black sabbath. why would punks be leftist??? oh my god! holy shit!!!! punks? leftist? ahh You would have given that up a long time ago if you had a mind. Organized religion is a joke. If NOFX is "God", I'm giving up Catholicism right now. NOFX godlike !!! they are the best and they will be till the end.. they are god... "Is this punknews.org or hippienews.org? Lots of far-left, pant-shitting trash posting on here, fuck off you silly little cunts." hey, remember when we were talking about the CD? that was awesome. "Is this punknews.org or hippienews.org? Lots of far-left, pant-shitting trash posting on here, fuck off you silly little cunts." just because your muslim doesn't mean you're automatically PRO-SADDAM or PRO-KILL AMERICANS...just like any other group of people there are gonna be some that give the rest bad names or reputations. don't be narrowminded It's hippienews.org, you went to the wrong site. Is this punknews.org or hippienews.org? Lots of far-left, pant-shitting trash posting on here, fuck off you silly little cunts. my conclusion: Ok, I'm the first who predicts it: Irak will win the war. USA will have to enter Bagdad to win, which is impossible. "lol, the united nations. bunch of pussies who sit around debating and never get shit done. fuck that" lol, the united nations. bunch of pussies who sit around debating and never get shit done. fuck that He's an idiot son of an asshole. the new war is awesome. "America: a nation of noisy idiots." (i gave it a 5 cause i don't have it) Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez... To the post a few below this: Please don't compare this engagement to World War II. We were attacked by an enemy force. We were attacked. We were not attacked by the Iraqis in any way, shape or form. So why are we over there killing their people? Is it because Saddam is a bad man and we need to install a new government? I agree, he is, but overthrowing governments is not the job of the United States. Who made us international policeman? We have no right to do that. There's an equitable, democratic organization for that kind of thing: the United Nations. Also, you claim we're fighting this war against terrorists. How can you say that, though? It was Osama and his minions that were responsible for 9/11, not Saddam. Where's the connection? --JP "Also, most of you are fighting the war. It would be different if you were sent to fight. If a bunch of you are gonna reply with the fact about how you care about all human life, why all of a sudden now? Why aren't these protests going on in mass hordes for all the injustices provoked by the US, in the interest of the US people?" "As for the anarchist fucktard posting below. Go blow yourself up somewhere for your cause. If you got a problem with society, strap a bomb on yourself and explode in a nursery school filled with the future. It seems no one in the world has a problem with that type of violence." maybe the best thing to do is just make all 3rd world countries one big parking lot. seriously, a whole bunch of you are fucking tools. I think the question that should be answered is not whether Iraq is capable of attacking the United States but why Iraq and the "evil axis" countries want to attack the United States in the first hand.The United States Army has taken part over more than 30 "peace operations" since WW2, some of them could be called justified and some of them not. However the point to emphasize is that the U.S. is considering himself as the protector of the world peace which is based on the technological superiority of its weapons, missiles and bunker busters. "We were forced into WW2, so we should wait until Iraq bombs us and we're forced into a war with them, hmm?" Anyone who supports the war, the troops, or that cunt bush and his fucknuckle manipulative media-dominating conflict of interest cronies can kiss my anarchist arse you fucked up fascist CUNTS! Learn to THINK for once in your pathetic, self-obsessed little lives and get off your smug pedestals before it's too late. Every invader that dies in Iraq is one less moral-less mercenary dickhead for us to deal with when the time comes. Objectively review all information before believing it (read: don't believe the bullshit they shove down your throat or I'll have to kick your teeth in for being such a spineless SHEEP). The world needs less mindless consumerist morons like you warmongering Nazis, so do me and the real people of this world a favour and end your useless cardboard-cut out lives before you can do any more damage with your ignorance. Hide behind your distorted ‘facts’ if it allows you to sleep at night, but don’t believe for a second you're fooling anyone but your conformist friends and your own atrophied brain. Regurgitate the rhetoric that your ‘leaders’ and corporate media spew out on a daily basis, but know that by doing so you are merely displaying your intrinsic lack of moral fibre and intellectual capacity. Anyone know if this album is limited edition? I bought the 7" and it was colored gray vinyl. Im guessing that is limited to maybe around 1000 or so. guess what retard. iraq doesnt have weapons that can reach our end of the world. the whole "another 9-11" thing is pretty ignorant. (yeah callin you a retard is too, so what, im sick of this whole thing already) We were forced into WW2, so we should wait until Iraq bombs us and we're forced into a war with them, hmm? I guess you need another 9/11 for a wake up call, the last one sure didn't last long. In ww2 we were forced into war and the world was rid of facism, so that was a justified war. Civilian casualties are easy to accept when they're not your own people, friends, or family. This war is unnecessary so are the casualties, that is the problem. How many times must this be explained. If it wasn't for Bush's poor diplomacy we wouldn't be here. The guy was like a "bull in a china shop". -Jay correction: "I only see a problem with it if it's not justified, and I think this war is justified." sadam broke UN sanctions not Us sanctions, so it is the UN who should punish Iraq. And the inspectors were starting to make real progress. And its Bushs bad diplomacy that led us to this war. Would you want to give up your weapons if for three years the most powerful countrie in the world were threatening you? "I only see a problem with it if it's not justified, and I think this war is justified." and what about the "freedom" fries, those republican assholes are making us americans look like a bunch of ignorant right-wing idiotic pieces of shit in front of the whole world "Fuck people, it's WAR. Civilian casulties ARE expected. This is a low number compared to previous wars, trust me people, we could bomb Iraq back to the fucking stone age and kill 90% of those people if we wanted to." "Fuck people, it's WAR. Civilian casulties ARE expected. This is a low number compared to previous wars, trust me people, we could bomb Iraq back to the fucking stone age and kill 90% of those people if we wanted to." lets review some facts NOFX good - particularly franco-unamerican. look forward to the full length release No government is a good government... France is a LOT better than America, though... For caring so much about what happened Sept. 11, 2001 (saying "9/11" is such a drab cliche), dems and repubs both are letting it be an excuse for a war for oil... Oh, by the way, to those who think this is a "moral war against Sadam", and that civil. casualties are light, did you know that we are dropping URANIUM shells on the Iraqi people, and that the number of deaths by cancer will outdo the number of death on explosion by tenfold? Humanitarian? "There will be causualties- this is war" my ass... This is a war AMERICA started... That is the excuse terrorists use, and if we are no better than the "enemy" in the causes and excuses for innocent people dying, then how are we more worthy of winning? Bush going around calling other countries "evil" is not going to make things better over here... Did anyone else get reminded of Darlington's Judy Jetson from the frist song on the NOFX EP? I don't know all the lyrics, but the songs have similar ideas, but obviously they are different types of bands and the Darlington song is about 4 years old. BTW, I wasn't the one who made the first comment. -Jay I think it's rather obvious that we could kill all of the Iraqis if we want, so I "trust" you. But I think the whole point is, since this war is argueably unecessary, the casualties are as well. It's all too easy to say, hey, this war. But if it was on American soil and we had a say in it (unlike the Iraqi people) the response wouldn't be "this is war, get over it". Not quite sure where you got that number where 400 civilians are dead. 9/11 was horrible, but this war is equally horrid. Almost 400 civilians are already dead, by the time it ends there will probably (hopefully not though) be more than 9/11. Anyone who thinks that 9/11 is of "greater significance" is just another ethnocentric idiot who spends too much time in America. "And it's not just oil or arms. A report which was commissioned by the French Parliament and published in September last year, put the value of French exports to Iraq since United Nations sanctions were eased in 1996 at US$3.5 billion. French pharmaceutical firms, telecommunications firm Alcatel, engineering company Alstom and car-makers Peugeot and Renault have all made substantial sales in Iraq. France was also the Western country with the largest number of stands at last November's Baghdad Trade Fair." the album is gonna mark the peak of nofx for the fifth time.. (whit trash, heavy petting zoo, so long and thanx for all the shoes and the decline the four previous peaks). In their mid thirties when is nofx gonna start to decline.... hopefully never.... oh yeah and a new evident political mind set will make this band strong for another twenty years..... can anyone say punk rock neil young... lol Does anyone see the money owed to the French being paid back if Saddam stays in power? The French sold them weapons and are owed money, but does anyone think he has the money to pay them back or ever will? If so, why hasen't he yet? -Jay I agree forty. There has been a lot of debate on France's reasoning for opposing the US war in Iraq. I've read many things about it and have come to a crossroads. If infact the oil is cheap, what's to say it won't be just as cheap once it's in American hands? Besides that, how come the rest of the world isn't on our side here? Don't talk about the countries with political interesting in going along with the US either. I'm sure the people who oppose this war aren't interested in oil like the French are, so what's their reasoning? It's also very possible that the French have multiple reasons for opposing war. Either way, I'm glad they're standing against Bush in this war. -Jay "together on the sand...together on the sand we walked hand in hand on the beach front, she smiled at me as she tightly held my hand, i had my fingers up her...country music played on the radio so i turned it off, we walked down to the water as she grabbed to my honker...a wave swept us away..." France is not some pious nation looking out for peace. But neither is the U.S. and our long term plans are more dangerous. Guy 2 below me. No one is saying the U.S. doesnt do stupid shit, we all know we helped them out by giving Saddam biological weapons. All we are saying is that France is almost as guilty, just saying they are not taking the stance they are for humanitarian purposes. ska! ska! ska! bink bink bink Everyone has their reasons for opposing or agreeing with this war, face the facts. France cares about two things in this war, oil and the money that Saddam owes them. Someone below said we deserved 9/11. How many people did you know who died when that happened? You say what about the people of Iraq dying by US hands? Well I am not going to debate with the majority of the people on here that are making statements because it is the way someone that is punk should answer. Anyone that says we deserved 9/11 ashould die in a firey crash. Better yet, let them watch their loved one jump out of a 100 story burning building to their death. well, do you know who has the current oil conections in iraq? germany and france. and who has negociated through the deal with the eventual new government? britain and USA. DIE FOR OIL SUCKERS Hey idiot thinking France is so concerned with the people of Iraq. hey bonehead below me, Hey moron 2 below. I think you need to quit reading the conservative media. Whoever said that the French only had interests in oil? I wasn't saying France has a "good" government, no one does. But the point I WAS trying to make as that, by atleast staying out of this war, France earns a couple points with me. I mean, the US gets oil from Iraq too and wouldn't France's helping Bush give them more oil? Probably, so your hypothesis doesn't make sense. And, yeah, fuck the troops. You, for the most part, have a choice about this kind of matter. If you go and you get shot that's your problem, it's a shame that someone died, but you knew what you were going there to do- start a fight. I don't agree with Fat Mike 100%, but I can appreciate the fact that he is trying to get young people to vote, in a day and age where most of the people voting still think Coca Cola is a nickel... As for the EP, dude, it's like $5. Buy it and support a band, you cheap bastards. It's not half bad, although I would have liked more B-sides. Or get the new Utters CD, cus it is great. Hey dickhead, the guy a couple posts down, the one who talks about "fuck the troops". Yeah, fuck you. You are trying to tell people that France is the only ones who "have their head on their shoulders". I never thought I would say this, but you need to stop reading so much liberal media. Fuck, the only reason the French dont want to go to war is because they get sweet ass deals on oil from Saddam. The French care as much about human life as Bush does (none). See, the French know that if the U.S. takes over Iraq then they wont be able to get good oil deals anymore and they are also afraid of the U.S. finding out the things the French have done to help Saddam, such as weapons. So dont sit here and say the French are these super humanitarian people, cause they are just as guilty as the U.S. Now they are trying to block the U.N. from sending humanitarian aod to Iraq as a way of boycott. Can you find a more stupid way of boycotting then that? So fuck off and learn before you speak as a spokesman for the unlimate liberal media. You'rE an idiot, Im drunk and you still dont make sense, go kill yourself, waste of oxygen. let's get back to talking about the album, or the review of the album. "and the halliburton thing is horrid. cheney still has business affiliations and it's so very obvious. that man frustrates me very much. i want him to go away." hey FUCKHEAD.....you're not free. The "troops" can lick my balls. It sucks that some of them may only be there because they are of a minority class. But the majority are ignorant, moronic fools just like yourself. So I guess you can lick my balls too. What the hell are they doing to "protect freedom" you stupid little fuck? They are MURDERING hundreds of innocent civilians (310 thus far) and they are just following orders without question. How is that courageous? It's just weakness. The US troops are incompetent (look at the FF casualties) and ignorant. The Iraqi troops may be half- pro Sadam and half fighting with a gun to their head, meaning Sadam will kill them if they don't. So does this war accomplish anything? No, it doesn't "protect freedom". You're about as easy to mold as play-do, who told you it was "protecting freedom? Your mommy and daddy? Fox News? George Bush? Use your own brain you foolish little man. And what's so great about US? It is flooded with obese, fast food munching, sitcom watching, racist morons who can't even read or write coherently. It's disgusting, you could give 2 shits about your environment or life in general, you only care when some terrorist attacks you.....then all of a sudden terrorism is a "big issue". America, the land of hypocrisy, ignorance, greed, and celloulite. Support the troops! I live in the "USA" and the amount of ignorance being excercised is frightening. What's with this "freedom fries" bullshit? France rocks, they don't care what your fatty, greasey, "american" foods are called. I'm not saying that the French government is anything special....but in the current situation it is the only one with it's head attached to it's shoulders. I swear if I hear another person say "the French suck" or "Support The Troops" I'm gonna go postal. Hooray form Fat Mike. He's the guy who makes us have this conversation. Praise him. what with the french bashin? FAT MIKE GO GO GO lets revolution Fat Mike is only trying to get kids to vote. Nothing else. viva fat mike. This guy makes you all think about politics. He has the best fckin songwriting. Fuck olive you, just vote bush and get the fuck outta the punk rock scene, you fuckin pieces o shit morons. learn how to read between the lines. you're poor and supporting bush: that s what any FUCKIN DUMBASS would do, damit, the guy is tryin to SCREW YOU. and you dipshit ameriocans support him. hell, you DESERVED 9/11. fuck off. everyone generally offers one side of the story, so that would basically mean anyone with an opinion on politics is an idiot by your standards. How about watching 95% of any major news outlet to the "other side" of the story because Fat Mike is one of the only ones offering a different view. I don't know a soul would "blindly" follows Fat Mike like he's the messiah anyway, maybe it's just the losers you hang out with. You probably don't know shit about politics in the first place. If people actually sit there and listen and read blindly from what Fat Mike has to say, then all I can say is that I pity them. Im mom said i had something on my foot. Ssssssssssquish Happy 5th birthday. Too bads its your last. Haha governeor gjim ghodegs. I herd a bgood idea made up my mamaa told me that if we sold melmons whoosp i mean lemons we could say enjoy the taste of lemons Nofx is my favortie ska band not tska is for babbbys who lsiten to ska I elf my dinner in the flor Take off your pants and jackie My favirte sum four t one song is probbobly its not my place in the 9 to 5 world Whoosp i pooped myself im berg I have reterned to teech the kids not to listen to this gay ska music like ramnones. I think I got a cavity just reading that. I would like to add something to the ice cream debate. Has anyone tried cotton candy ice cream? Our caf has cotton candy ice cream with pop rocks in it, and it is delicious. "While we hoped that popular revolt or coup would topple Saddam, neither the U.S. nor the countries of the region wished to see the breakup of the Iraqi state. We were concerned about the long-term balance of power at the head of the Gulf. Trying to eliminate Saddam, extending the ground war into an occupation of Iraq, would have violated our guideline about not changing objectives in midstream, engaging in "mission creep," and would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible. We had been unable to find Noriega in Panama, which we knew intimately. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well. Under those circumstances, furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-cold war world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the U.N.'s mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the U.S. could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different--and perhaps barren--outcome." 300 civilians are dead, 1000 Iraqis are dead and 60 Allied soldiers are dead......half from friendly fire and accidents. Tell me who the hell wins here? This "war" has only lasted a week and already almost 1500 people are dead....probably more. You guys are fucking idiots. So what if Fat Mike didn't say anything 12 years ago in the first Gulf War, maybe he wasn't so into politics as he is now. Give me one good reason why it matters. Besides, he's been writing political oriented songs since back when "So long..." came out. Atleast he is offering up an alternative to the right wing zealots we have all over tv now. I don't give a shit if his Bias is to the left, the entire history of the United States has been liberal since its inception. Because it's always been about progression and people. Fuck you, you apathetic, cynical peices of shit. Too bad little punk kids blindly listen to a guy like Fat Mike for political views. They used to be fun and as someone else said, great up to Punk in Drublic. Bill Clinton took us to war but you never heard Fat Mike bitching then. Typical anti-Republican dribble that carries little weight. ALL GOVERNMENT SUCKS FAT MIKE. WAKE UP!! "New Boobs" and "Beer Bong" to soap box political warrior. What was his stance on the first gulf war? Or on anything else for that matter. Sounds like a bandwagon jumping attention hog to me. NOFX has done nothing good since Punk In Drublic. Please stop preaching and start singing about lesbians again. I guess, somehow, I should know why you don't like Fat Mike. Whatever, don't explain then. Just make a comment with no backing it up with thoughts for now on. "support" and "get"...man I sound like a retard. Waste: "Let's hear why you don't take him seriously." "It aint got nothing on Peanut Butter cup ice cream. Oh man." Let's hear why you don't take him seriously. "i am sick of all you fucks saying stupid things like "why cant someone be a punk and still support bush?" It aint got nothing on Peanut Butter cup ice cream. Oh man. Chocolate Chip Mint ice cream is the bomb. http://www.turnleft.com/rush/debate.html by the way, Nicaragua DOES have a democracy... but not due to U.S. effort--the U.S. were on the side of the dictator. Now that tells you a little about what the US thinks about trying to make countries into democracies: the gov't doesn't give a shit about making a country better or helping the citizens of another country, it just wants to profit off of that country, and it has to have a reason besides just financial gain, so it tells the public that it is trying to "bring peace and democracy" to another country. What bullshit. Yeah, let's bomb a country, so they can see how great democracy is. I'm sure those people dying over there are really loving the democracy that the US represents right now. Www. Fair. Org - read it motherfuckers! Cathy Breen, a 54-year-old nurse from New York City who's been in Baghdad for five months, described yesterday what she saw during a visit to the city's Yermuke Hospital: A 2-year-old killed when a rocket shattered her house; an 8-year-old, his head and abdomen wrapped in gauze, who lost three family members, including his father; a 10-year-old with multiple broken bones who waited a day to be brought to hospital. Frank is my favorite Trading Spacer. Wyzo likes Trading Spaces...heheh. Didn't you get the memo thats its all about Iron Chef? "jay - no evidence of the zionist roots of the iraq war? see iraqwar.org and for godsakes - read more." Punk, I don't know why the hell you're talking to me about that. ATTENTION REVIEWERS: Get over your fucking political stances for once and just rate the album. To jay, this is alright, but mr.brett's guitar playing has gone downhill, and graffins lyrics are way heavy on bad puns. Once again,to all who think this shite is remotely any good... Go listen to the new f-minus... That makes this sound like your sisters pin-up boy band crap... Keep it comin'-oldpunker- This EP is amazing. Addendum: damn mother-fucking straight power to the people! I signed that petition and look where it got us! Maybe Scott realized how completely fucking shitty that American Hi-Fi review was? Wasn't their one-hit wonder "hit" called "Flavor Of The Week." HAHAHAHAHAHA, how fucking ironic... Strung Out did change buddy, for the worse too. I still love them though (and have the new cd), now let me tell you why and how they changed: They branched out a lot, too much. They tried some lighter fare, they tried some hardcore. But, it wasn't Strung Out. On the Sonic Defiance EP, they progressed to a heavier sound while still retaining that delicious technical SO flavor. So, they lost their lovin' sound, oh well, they still rock hard. the protests worked the bold reviews are gone power to the mother fucking people this CD is ok, i cant wait for the LP. franco un-american is A i am sick of all you fucks saying stupid things like "why cant someone be a punk and still support bush?" Johnny Ramone really DOESN'T have that much honor... I mean, yeah, he's a fuckin Ramone, but what does that ammount to? Just some kid from New Yaaaaawk with a guitar who played in an amazing band. Really, "integrity-wise", Tommy is probably the better Ramone... if u like political music buy it if u dont and u like more of the older nofx stuff skip it The original title was "2nd best album" - judging by el hefe's teaser - it sounds about right - good stuff. "Why, of course, the people don't want war.Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. i could careless what those big gayfers say about the ep , i liked it it was fuckin good,the only reason those people dont like it is cause they spent to much time listening to gay music like queen, or sting, they're probably just on there period .That stuff is good , i listen to it when i take a crap. dillinger 4 turned to shit...got an earwax clog jerkface. you know you're fucking bored when you've read every single comment on this review. hahahhhaahh ohhhh im lonely. Well, that's just your opinion. The Lawrence Arms CD was about 200% better than any of their other ones before Fat. do yourself a favor and never buy a fat wreck chords release again. i grew up listening to all those bands but it is safe to say that the label has turned to shit. strung out, no use, those new albums were worse than the "punk rock" you see on Mtv. from what i have heard the new lagwagon even sounds bad. dillinger 4 turned to shit when they signed to fat. they used to talk shit about blink 182 but now there shit is even more catchy and watered down. now jay from one of the best punk bands i have ever heard(kid dynamite) is starting some shitty pop punk band on fat. everything fat touches turns to shit. i have given them so many chances and have been let down so many times. i used to respect the fact that these bands stuck with fat when it was obvious that they could be making more money if they signed to a major label but now they might as well because there music is no better than the blinks and sum 45s on mtv. just had to get that off my chest. i still love ya jay(KD) but none more black....so dissapointed. it even sounded weak live. oh well. the safest bet is to stick w/east coast music, because you guys over there on the west coast seem to sing about your achy breaky hearts to much. jus jokes. iz jus fooln yalls. much love. FAT IS DEAD. fat mike please dont let any more decent bands sign to your label. its time to hang it up. and keep the east coast over here. by the way i havent heard this cd. i hope fat can prove me wrong cuz i could definitley go for another ill lagwagon release. the decline was ill, i think fat died somewhere after that. "For those who genuinely believe we can turn Iraq into a "beacon of freedom," the great precedents are the democratization of Japan and Germany after 1945, but these examples point up how long and costly such an undertaking might be. American forces occupied Japan for seven years, and West Germany did not become fully sovereign until 1955; both countries were long barred from fully rearming, and for decades the United States assumed much of the burden of their defense from the Soviet Union. The Japanese and German cases, moreover, are not parallel with Iraq in the most elementary respects: World War II had extinguished fascism, whereas a war in Iraq will leave undemocratic regimes standing throughout the region and inflame the forces most hostile to America." I'm assuming the comment about quoting people was a joke because it was so stupid it had to be. Otherwise, the war will cost $75 billion and counting. Another civil war? I seriously hope that one was a joke. this kid below me is canadian I'll quote you "I'm a fucking idiot" "what's with the quoting what other people just said...that's so dumb" what's with the quoting what other people just said...that's so dumb no matter what the fuck you say or do, this war is going to go on however george w. wants it to. so lets just bite the bullet and fuckin stop it with this protest bullshit. shut up and get a fuckin life." fat mike mustve had the people who post on this message board in mind when he wrote "idiots are taking over over" ahahahahahahahha...all of you got your info from MOMMY and DADDY...you don't have a clue as what's going on..."THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT LIVES WERE LOST ON 9-11, BUT WE CAN PUT THAT OFF FOR NOW...IRAQ IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE"...what's the matter with you kids. i don't know about the JEW thing, that seems a little far fetched, but it does seem kind of coincedental that the UNITED NATIONS won't back us, saying that they don't agree with our reason for war...and it wasn't the JEWS that were oppressed in BABYLONIA...do some homework@the kid who said something about that... will you assholes quit talking about the fucking war? this part of the site is for comments regarding a NOFX review. shut the fuck up about your stupid ass protests you stupid fucks. i've got news for you... no matter what the fuck you say or do, this war is going to go on however george w. wants it to. so lets just bite the bullet and fuckin stop it with this protest bullshit. shut up and get a fuckin life. also, i don't understand you kids trashing epitaph, fat wreck, fat mike, nofx etc on the grounds that they are "only giving one side of the debate"? that has got to be the dumbest thing i've ever heard, what you mean to say is "they don't agree with me so i'm pissed off at them". Comrades, fight back. For the good of your nation. Don't let this be a quiet riot. limbaugh is a hack. i'd love to see him debate someone that actually knows what he's talking about. "the JEWS have something to gain by this WAR (holy land)" We're fighting with Iraq because of different reasons that I stated, so that's why we've ignored the Bin Laden issue. I think we both know that, but our reasons for the war differ. Ok I see. Well, I don't think I buy it. The connection between the holy land and Iraq has a small impact. I'm going with American imperialism or oil or both for this one. The evidence is there and pissing off the world to please the Jews just doesn't make sense to me. I see a higher purpose for this. don't confuse what i'm saying...i'm not saying that the JEWS are behind the war...i'm saying that just like in POLITICS, the old saying "you scratch my back i'll scratch yours" is in effect...like i said the JEWS have something to gain by this WAR (holy land) and the US has something to gain (OIL)...i asked earlier...what HAPPENED TO OSAMA BIN LADIN and the AFGHANI'S?...isn't that who they said bombed the WORLD TRADE CENTER?...if so why are we fighting a war with a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT COUNTRY? No, I def. don't think politics are on the level. What I do think, however, is that the jews do have political pull and a great deal of it. I also recognize why they do etc. But I just can't find any hard facts that says the Jews are behind this war. I can see all the other reasons, but not this one. the italian mob doesn't really exist anymore...people like HENRY HILL ratted out most of the BIG NAMES, and as a result the industry of organized crime died out...but if you remember where ever there was a ITALIAN mob figure...there were jews runnin the books and legitamte business...the jews didn't get indicted or sent to jail, they're still out there doing what the ITALIANS did. JFK was behind in the PRIMARY ELECTION in '61 by almost 37%, but once he got his brother-in-law (PETER LAWFORD, who was a close friend of FRANK SINATRA) to have some of his friends help out his campaign...he jumped out in front by almost 25% and won the election because of the (financial) contributions that were made on the part of SINATRA(who had mob ties). answer me this: To the guy talking about Jews running America: your theory is a little far-fetch. Although Jews do have a great deal of political pull their power stops at having the US on their side in the Middle East. There is bascially no evidence around otherwise, besides crazy conspiracy theories. I've thought about that and the evidence just isn't there. There are a few simple connections that can be made, but otherwise I just don't see it. Unless you have some more proof, I'd be interested in seeing it. To jeb - hey, asshole, I'm not american and I don't know how you spell most of those country names in english. Believe it or not, americans are not the only one connected to the internet. You know what I would love to see? Instead of some average pro-war person who DOESN'T talk about politics all day long debate Limbaugh, we could have someone with a brain and an idea of history who did. Then you would see how much of a peice of shit he is. There have been countless books pointing out his lies and spin and severe bias. He knows bascially nothing and degrades everyone like a belligerent assholes. He is a complete joke and so are his fucked up baseless views. It's almost creepy to think people actually listen to him. -Jay ok how about this...bear with me: Apparently war supporters hate former Pittsburgh Penguins defenseman Ian Moran: Seriously, the links page has links to rushlimbaugh.com - can't much more stupid than that. I support the troops, but that site is just bullshit. The site is more food for thought than anything else. They've gone to the anti-war rallies to hold their debates. If you want a real war debate, go and listen to Rush Limbaugh, he's not my favorite but every anti-war protestor that I've heard, has gotten shot down. Great, more garbage. www.protestwarrior.com is hilarious. It's gotten to the point where this shit is starting to be funny, and that is sad. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. These pussies can't even have a real debate. This site doesn't even have any facts on it and it looks like it was made by a bunch of immature middleschoolers, just like most people on the right. That site is complete bullshit. They use the old "pro peace, hate america" rhetoric, please. War ended communism? Thats news to me? www.protestwarrior.com Its ok but i still hang on to "Punk In Drublic" and "White Trash Two Heebs and A Bean" for now. "I would give the guy who posted all those countries more credibility if he had spelled them correctly." RIBBED is still the best. I would give the guy who posted all those countries more credibility if he had spelled them correctly. "this is the largest group of wannabe politicians and educated commentators i have ever seen...what a joke...instead of wasting your views here try and make a difference somewhere that counts...way to flex your intellectual prowess on punknews.org." Exactly, what makes anyone think Iraq will be different. ok, let's cut the crap and consider facts. You guys opened my eyes, i just love nofx now, they really kick ass, i feel good about myself for the first time in 15 years! "this is the largest group of wannabe politicians and educated commentators i have ever seen...what a joke...instead of wasting your views here try and make a difference somewhere that counts...way to flex your intellectual prowess on punknews.org" Wow is all I can say. Too bad all these hits are just people coming back to defend themselves against the backlash of comments they are sure to get no matter what they say. By the way, what's with all the random NOFX comments? Heh. Seriously though I think there are more comments that DONT mention NOFX than those that do. It's all good though. damn right i am complaining...the ridiculaous things that i have read here are amazing...a website hosted for a "community"??...yeah right...got you to react though didn't I???...thanks i used to love epitaph records...but i can't stand onesidedness "this is the largest group of wannabe politicians and educated commentators i have ever seen...what a joke...instead of wasting your views here try and make a difference somewhere that counts...way to flex your intellectual prowess on punknews.org everyone here is really going far...all you can do is argue...nobody can possibly say they have the real facts...honestly...so give it up...republican/democrat who gives a damn this is the largest group of wannabe politicians and educated commentators i have ever seen...what a joke...instead of wasting your views here try and make a difference somewhere that counts...way to flex your intellectual prowess on punknews.org this is the largest group of wannabe politicians and educated commentators i have ever seen...what a joke...instead of wasting your views here try and make a difference somewhere that counts...way to flex your intellectual prowess on punknews.org Tom Daschle is a complete half-ass. He supports this war, doesn't he? In addition, he argues over pretty much everything Bush does, including some things of relative merit. I'm a left-wing Democrat but I really don't like Tom Daschle either. It's just the impression he gives. why do you hate Tom Daschle? i want to hear this. "and, for the record, Tom Daschle is a douchebag. I seriously cannot stand him." fat mike mustve done something right if he started all this pro and anti war dialog.... We supported ex-nazis who trained death squads in Latin America, so don't doubt that our new government will kill people. We knowlingly supported regimes that literally left rivers choked with the dead in countries like El Salvador, or how about the massacres in East Timor? and the halliburton thing is horrid. cheney still has business affiliations and it's so very obvious. that man frustrates me very much. i want him to go away. true, our government we set up will probably be sub-par, but i have a feeling we won't slaughter anyone that speaks out. maybe the business oriented government will even bring some money to the country and the people might get to use some of it, rather than strictly just the head honcho? i doubt their conditions will be as good as ours, but i still think it would be an improvement. i don't know for sure, but that is my guess. "How, by installing a puppet government that only cares about business interests? Our track record is terrible." How, by installing a puppet government that only cares about business interests? Our track record is terrible. same person from below here. i forgot to mention. yes, we did help put saddam in power and supported him way too long. we did make a huge error there. we can not change that we did that, so why not try to make up for it? my views. Great post ok, i'm going to come out and say that if you are pro-war, you are ignorant. please, enlighten me to what this war is REALLY about? i find it funny that the bush administration has played several cards in order to sell the war to the american public. first it was the possibility of them possessing weapons of mass destruction, then it became a humanitarian effort, then it was accusing iraq of being linked to al qaeda. Political parties are a waste of time. "Don't be a smart ass. If you don't know, I mean liberal political views. Democrats. No liberal views are not bad. I vote on many democratically pressed issues. My point was that the website doesn't give you but one point of view. " "How many of you anti-war people understand what the war is really about? My guess is none. The invasion of Iraq is to remove Saddam from power because he is and has been violating the agreement he made with the UN after the Gulf War. Didn't any of you read that they found a 100 acre chemical plant? Didn't Saddam say that he didn't have any? Also, understand for those of you that are mislead to believe that it's the US invasion of Iraq guess again. Why do you think that it is being called a coalition force? I'll tell you. It's because there are over 40 countries involved." Yeah, but what else would you expect. It is a shame, I agree. "Don't be a smart ass. If you don't know, I mean liberal political views. Democrats. No liberal views are not bad. I vote on many democratically pressed issues. My point was that the website doesn't give you but one point of view." well, i didnt know this was such a big deal that a petition had to be involved. According to Webster.... ATTN: Punknews.org readers: "this is not a smart ass comment...what exactly does leaning towards Marxism mean?..i honestly do not know so please educate me "What's worst of all? Punkvoter.com allows you to register to vote. So when you've gotten your full of liberally biased information, you can line up behind the rest of them." What's worst of all? Punkvoter.com allows you to register to vote. So when you've gotten your full of liberally biased information, you can line up behind the rest of them. By the way, the album is growing on me. Went from 4 to 6. Still, not that great though. DUHHHH ME SOO DUMMMM! ME ANTI-WAR BUTT NOT UNDRSTAD WAR AN STUFF! ME TOO STOOPIDD! REEL LIF TOO COMPLIKADED FOR ME! ME NOT THINK RITE WITH CURRENT EVENT AN STUFF! TOO MUCH PRAPAGANDA FOR MI HED! OW OW OW! HURT HED! DUHHHHHHHH! Duhhhh me soo dummmm! me anti-war butt not undrstad war an stuff! me too stoopidd! reel lif too complikaded for me! me not think rite with current event an stuff! too much prapaganda for mi hed! ow ow ow! hurt hed! duhhhhhhhh! Hopefully, the heat has died down. Regardless, I will repeat a point made earlier which may have gone lost unnoticed in a hay of comments. (I may just as well be a fool for re-posting in the potentially current busiest page, but...) and really, by bitching and complaining about fat mike and punkvoter.com, your doing more for his cause than you think. if you really want to make a statement about fat mike, ignore him and continue on with your lives. "How many of you anti-war people understand what the war is really about? My guess is none. The invasion of Iraq is to remove Saddam from power because he is and has been violating the agreement he made with the UN after the Gulf War. Didn't any of you read that they found a 100 acre chemical plant? Didn't Saddam say that he didn't have any? Also, understand for those of you that are mislead to believe that it's the US invasion of Iraq guess again. Why do you think that it is being called a coalition force? I'll tell you. It's because there are over 40 countries involved." "Change only occurs if people actually try and change it." i noticed something. for every one nofx fan, theres 10 who think nofx sucks. i myself have always been a big fan of nofx, even when it's cool to hate them. "the whole point behind telling someone to leave is that if you don't like or believe in the country that you live in then why live here...why not go to live in whatever country that you want that is so much better that life here...wherever that is, is fine...there is no reason to be down on this country when you are free to go" How many of you anti-war people understand what the war is really about? My guess is none. The invasion of Iraq is to remove Saddam from power because he is and has been violating the agreement he made with the UN after the Gulf War. Didn't any of you read that they found a 100 acre chemical plant? Didn't Saddam say that he didn't have any? Also, understand for those of you that are mislead to believe that it's the US invasion of Iraq guess again. Why do you think that it is being called a coalition force? I'll tell you. It's because there are over 40 countries involved. I just wish that Fat Mike would let people think for themselves and give sides to both stories instead spewing out this anti-Bush crap. hahaha, AstroVince has SLATFATS. Howard Stern should grade himself next. Talk about no talent. I think the general sentiment is:NOFX, please stop. You're giving me hot face. the whole point behind telling someone to leave is that if you don't like or believe in the country that you live in then why live here...why not go to live in whatever country that you want that is so much better that life here...wherever that is, is fine...there is no reason to be down on this country when you are free to go NOFX? No talent. no, the beauty of it is, i speak out, and if people dont agree with me then i have the RIGHT to leave.. but telling people to leave is as ignorant as not understanding the importance of freedom of speech. "if you don't like it go live in Baghdad...or France or somewhere else far from the "wimp fucks"...I love this country " Yes, good media that's not for profit..... i hope everyone knows that iraqi forces were killing their own countrymen today for speaking out as we are allowed to do funny the international red cross is reporting collateral damage in the single digits and injured civilians less than 50...i don't know of anyone sitting at home making fun of dead iraqis...civilian numbers are a part of war...a sad one but inevitable...I believe we lost some civilians in the world trade center and many muslim people overseas did rejoice in that..please get things straight before illustrating your ignorance....where do you want Americans to be other than in their suburban homes...if you don't like it go live in Baghdad...or France or somewhere else far from the "wimp fucks"...I love this country This war is going as I figured it would. Already the civilian casualties are almost equal to the amount of soldiers dead. Today 300 Iraqi soldiers were killed in a battle.....somewhere around 40 americans/british have been killed, half by friendly fire and accidents. And an estimate between 170 and 278 civilians have been killed. Women and children, taxis have been blown up. I don't see how this solves anything. In the end their will probably be thousands of dead civilians and thousands of dead soldiers and MAYBE (but unlikely) a captured Sadam. All the while ignorant little wimp fucks in the US will sit safely in their suburban neighborhoods making fun of dead Iraqis. Damn, this world sickens me. What will this war acoomplish? Nothing, not a goddamn thing. I would call Bush a pig, but I wouldn't want to insult the animal in that way. "crass fan and total fucking dickhead? isnt that an oxymoron?" i would like that guy a few down suggest to us what his "non-media for profit" sources are so we can get all the facts, as he must have them crass fan and total fucking dickhead? isnt that an oxymoron? the 7" has only tracks 2 and 3. those are the best ones i would say, but i dunno which one i would get if i was you. damn straight to that dude 2 below...how many different sources does clark kent down there check...or should I just get on the sattelite phone and call my brother who is fighting in Iraq right now in the Army 3rd Infantry Division to get the "real story"...i am sure that the citizens of Iraq are getting a clear picture of what is going on too...as they fear being tortured, raped, poisoned, having chenicals tested on them, etc. for merely speaking opinions as we are all taking advantage of having the ability to do here! supporting bush and being a crass fan means that i can formulate my own views from more than one source you idiot...not just from some band or magazine i read...whoa revelation huh? You can be pro-war and all, but where do you kids get your information? I mean media for profit just isn't gonna cut it. They only report what they want you to hear. Get ALL sides of a story before you rush to judgement. Remember that EVERYTHING is biased. Then you'll be more informed to make that decision. Watching NBC news at 11 won't help your stance. I work for a big newspaper and it's "reputable" but they only print pro american and pro war rhetoric. It's sad that the majority of people only read this stuff..... supporting bush AND crass fan? isnt that an oxymoron? You can be pro-war and all, but where do you kids get your information? I mean media for profit just isn't gonna cut it. They only report what they want you to hear. Get ALL sides of a story before you rush to judgement. Remember that EVERYTHING is biased. Then you'll be more informed to make that decision. Watching NBC news at 11 won't help your stance. I work for a big newspaper and it's "reputable" but they only print pro american and pro war rhetoric. It's sad that the majority of people only read this stuff..... liberal animation was one of the worst releases by a band to date...i have heard so much better in so many garages its not even funny dude!!! dammit...3 below this one is the one that i agree with this rating is for the dude below me....i feel the exact same way and could not agree more! 1.Liberal Animation- their hardest I'm a punk that's not anti-war. Take whatever stance you want, but don't judge me if I think an terrorist-training dictatorship should be taken out. It seems like too many people are anti-war because they think they should be. Watch/read the news. Before you take a stance, figure out what you're standing against. If you're still anti-war, that's fine. But know what you're standing for. I was waiting for this review to begin, because I wanted to say that I'm incredibly disappointed. I've listened to it twice, and if this is a sample of the things to come, blah. I'll give it a few more listens, but it's never taken this long to get into a nofx album. riiight...because a mohawk and/or a Crass shirt makes you punk...you little image fags need to go away...oh by the way...i have a Crass shirt and sticker on my car, had a mohawk in highschool, and GASP...i supoort BUSH! everyone on this site keeps bitching about these "republican punks." what are you all talking about? i have never run into a kid with a mohawk or a crass shirt who supported bush. fuck, i've never even ran into a kid with a less than jake shirt who liked bush. How about this OLDPUNKER? Shut up! NOFX is 50000000000 times more talented than that old school stuff than is nothing but a chord or two each song. NOFX may not be legends of punk but they changed punk, with theyre great writing talent. Have you heard all of NOFX's CDs? Whoever is saying they sound alike is stupid and should be quite due to the fact that they dont know what they are talking about. NOFX changes each cd. Here i will list the styles of each NOFX CD. when you think of those reasons...just let me know, i'd like to hear them well, anonymous, what can i say that hasnt already been said about bush. bottom line is i dont trust him. as for who i'd like to see in office, i wouldve rather had nader, and i'll leave my reasons why for another discussion. Nice cover artwork. the ignorance of the comment three posts down is amazing...by the way I am also neither prop bush or gore and I too do not know who I think would be a good president i feel that terrorism is a huge threat...i lost my aunt and uncle in the trade center attack...i never want to see anyhting like that again...so i have to respectfully disagree...i believe education is important as I am a law student...I beleive that the environment is another worthwhile concern...but terrorism not being important is something i can never agree with. this is not a smart ass comment...what exactly does leaning towards Marxism mean?..i honestly do not know so please educate me You're a true moron if like Bush OR Gore. If you are so blind as to not see the complete idiociy which is George Bush then you need medical help. Bush is just a silver spoon fed rich boy who doesn't know ANYTHING about what the lower classes need. He could give 2 shits about your education, he wants to cut down all of our forests (I know all of you trendy punks are saying "I don't care, but you are a true moron if you think you are "too cool" to appreciate THE REASON you're alive). On top of that Bush is more concerned with "terrorists" than the REAL problems. Is terrorism REALLY that big of a threat? Hell no, you have a better chance of getting struck by lightning than dying at the hands of terrorists. But, of course, you people sheepishly accept everything you hear on Fox News and allow yourselves to be pushed into a state of fear and belief that all Arabs are "out to get you". I think you people spend too much time drinking and eating and watching TV than using your heads and educating yourself. Just because Fat Mike makes some pretty sloganistic and childish remarks.....atleast he has the right idea, and I'm sure if you asked to be serious he could make some excellent points. Afterall, at a concert do you really want to listen to a long intelligent political speech or instead some funny, quick remarks. You Pro-Bush "punks" are making excuses, not giving answers as to why you support this whitetrash moron. Oh, and about Johnny Ramone, does it really matter if he's pro-Bush? No, Joey wasn't and neither was Dee Dee and to my knowledge Marky isn't either. But were the Ramones (a great band) however really an intellectual beacon? No, Jello Biafra, Greg Graffin, Henry Rollins, Chuck D, Ice T, Noam Chomsky, etc. etc. are the rea intellectual points of punk, even though many of them are not involved with punk musically, but they carry the spirit. i love it when "fans" have the need to tell bands what and what not to write about. let's make this easy for everybody-just email fat mike and tell him they should stop writing songs about bush, i'm sure he'll realize the error of his ways and stop. I dislike the president because of his foreign policy and his appointees. I'm not sure about who I'd rather have, perhaps Gore, this war might not be happening if Gore was in office, but that's a whole different argument altogether. I'm neither democrat nor republican, I lean slighly towards Marxism. Then again, I don't consider myself a "true punk" or anything like that. I hate it when bands turn too political for their own good. It happened to Pennywise and now NOFX has jumped in the same bandwagon. word..i saw these dudes and all they did was bitch about bush...annoying and he sounds like an uneducated moron Fat Mike needs to drop the whole anti-Bush gimmick and get back to writing good songs. Enough of these I'm-a-Democrat-and-don't-like-a-Republican-in-the-WhiteHouse crap songs. I've seen them live twice in the past year, by far the worst band I've ever seen. They were probably once really good but when half their show is them bitching about Bush is where I find myself wondering if they know that people come to see them play not hear their politics. oh...P.s. i don't hate you, why all the anger and animosity...looks like a closed one track mind rearing its ugly head?.?.?. point taken SomeoneElse...scratch the "record" and "Band"...i would like to hear some of the reasons these "true punks" who do not support the President have for their stance...and who they would like to see in his place...anyone, anyone?? i hate everyone on this site who thinks everyone ELSE who comments on this site has a one track mind and doesnt make a decision without first consulting song lyrics. please people, give it a rest. I wonder who all you guys that are "true punks" because you follow what some record or band tells you and decide to be a non-Bush supporter, would suggest we elect president??...isn't this the dumbest thing you guys have ever heard??? not being "punk"...whatever that means...because you support President Bush??? Pardon my grammatical typ-os. Now the question pondered by many... Johnny Ramone= Republican and George W Bush Supporter These songs are NOFX at some of their highest points. NOFX have never strayed far from his pattern of pop-punk but now and then they'll turn out new, fresh songs like on this EP. Franco Un-American is NOFX at their most charming moment. There's a term we give "punks" who support Bush and use racial slurs.....a neo-redneck. alright i definitely recognize the song hardcore 84 from someone else besides nofx playing it. where did i hear this? Does anybody know the pressing info on that 7"? ! Fat Mike is a musical genius, simply put. Who cares if you don't like his style or his politics, I don't like his politics at all, but considering how many albums and songs he's written by himself over the years, all of them at a level most bands just will never achieve, I think he deserves some credit. His record label didn't do too bad either. In short, NOFX, and fat Mike, rule. I really like NOFX and cant wait to get the full length album. I hate most of the stereotypical '90s style punk-Pennywise, Lagwagon, No Use For A Name- but I love NOFX. My favorite bands are Dead Kennedys, The Clash, The Germs, NOFX, and Misfits. As you can see I like mostly "old school" but NOFX breaks that trend. This is because they are good. They write intelligent lyrics (most of the time) and good sounding music. Fat Mike is a punk rock legend just like Jello Biafra, Joe Strummer, Darby Crash, and Danzig and NOFX is one of the best punk bands ever. you dude's talkin about how you can't be a Bush supporter and still be punk sound like the new generation of hippies...go listen to your mom's Joan Baez records...PEACE HIPPIES!!! yet another boring reptitive album full of Fat Mike's unintelligent dribble and attempts at political credit...way to go guys you once again fail miserably at making a "point"...i heard it in my friends car and felt sorry that he wasted his money on another overrated release from possibly the worst band of all time...they were "neat" when i was in highschool and punk in drublic came out..."neat" at best i want the 7" becuase i'm one of those people NOFX, along with AFI, are two of the most overrated bands I've ever listened to in my life. Not to say everything they do is bad, but I still don't "get it" I suppose. Freedom Fries?! HAHAHA! I saw that the other day! What a joke! France is a cool place, a beautiful country that enjoys great food......and french fries ARE NOT french anyway......so I doubt they care what some stupid fat american fucks name some greasy, fatty, fried food. They should call them Fat Fries. France is cool, they are mailing GW pretzals....talk about slick. YES! That's what I've been saying! Even if it is generic, atleast it's not some conservative "punk" bullshit, How the hell can you be pro-Bush, yet a "punk", it's simply inconceiveable. You little high school "punks" amaze me. At least NOFX doesn't make music for this strange new "punk" generation who vote republican and order "freedom fries". The guy below me obviously doen't know shit because NOFX is a waaaaaaaaay better band than NOFX. NOFX is the best band named NOFX. OLDPUNKER likes mxpx I liked the EP, the songwriting and lyrics are amazing, and the commercial is hilarious ("Also available for free on the internet"). BUT I'd suggest you wait for the full length, because Hardcore 84 alone isn't enough to justify buying this EP. Does anyone else think "Medio-Core" sounds almost exactly like their cover of Bracket's "Lazy"? this was a badass e.p. if the album is as good as this, i predict it'll be my favorite album of this year. to me, idiots are taking over is just incredible...and the lyrics are absolutley sick. listen to em closely and then make a judgment. love the entire ep, and can not wait for the full length. mike and the guys should be appluaded for staying in it, and being so damn good for so damn long......all the hating going on??? i just dont get it haha that was great. No he isn't a legend. He isn't a legend because i say so. Other than that i really have nothing to support my argument. But if you haven't noticed my screen name is "old punker" which implies that i've seen more than you and i know much more about punk than you do. So if you're smart you will agree with me no matter how little water my argument actually holds -old punker- he most certainly is a legend. he basically invented this type of pop-punk that so many bands take as influence, and created and runs a successful label that houses some of the biggest bands in punk, even if it's just now getting better again. maybe it's a little early to call him a legend, but in my eyes, he is. anyway, if kurt cobain can be considered a legend, which he is, then fat mike definitely can, being that he's still alive and all. I love NOFX, the new album will be excellent :> "these songs are pretty good....just as you'd expect but with franco-unamerican it sounds more like that 'nothing seems much fun anymore to me song' than watever that review guy thought it was LIVE ON THE DECLINE!" I agree with you sickboi but "legend"no lets save that title for the likes of joe strummer,stiv bator,mike ness etc. -oldpunker- I'm gonna have to disagree with you this time OLDPUNKER....while NOFX's music can get a little old and stale, Mike has always stayed true to the whole punkrock ethic of DIY. Now, I've heard stories that its been through the financial backing of his parents, but so fucking what. Better them than the slimeballs at Sony or MCA. Punk Rock Legend...what's so funny about that? Mike's band created their own sound many years ago. He has a label that introduced tons of bands to the masses. And he's been doing it for about 15-20 years. I think that qualifies as punk rock legend, don't you? NOFX has been great, still is great, and will always be great. One of the few bands out there to be so successful with out any major label/MTV help. Viva la NOFX. To scott a few posts down, "punk rock legend.. Hahahahahahahahaahaha, i have now read the most ridiculous comment on this site-oldpunker- to those who say nofx always sounds the same I seriously wonder if you've ever actually listened to them. only the deaf would not be able to tell the difference between a song on liberal animation and punk in drublic or slatfats or pump up the valuum or any of their other albums. its not always good but each album is different. you can always tell its nofx though but that should be a good thing (especially if you like them but even if you dont). You've got to remember that while 70% of the commenters bitch, probably far less than 15% of the readers actually comment. People make me giggle. 70% of this site sits here and bitches about everything. I often question if any of you even like music or if you just like to make fun of it. This seems like great value for money! "I despair dude".. what is that a srufer growing up in early england? Oldpunker - if you're so damn old I would have expected you to have got out of the NOFX bashing habit by now. You'd think age would at least have allowed you to grow out of meaningless bickering. I despair dude... noofz is SO panteez! Only 10-13 year olds like these guys,nofx=mall punk for soccer moms and jock kids,pathetic drivel-oldpunker- these songs are pretty good....just as you'd expect but with franco-unamerican it sounds more like that 'nothing seems much fun anymore to me song' than watever that review guy thought it was LIVE ON THE DECLINE! great ep don't listen to all the doubters, the new album is going to be a classic. medio-core and franco-unamerican are superb tracks and some of the clips on the commercial are very promising. i can't wait. I don`t know what you`re all complaining about, this is NOFX, what did you expect?!? It`s always been the same deal with NOFX albums, you know what you`re getting before you buy it and it`s always good entertainment! Why doesn`t anyone mention the funny but intelligent lyrics on this one, I really appreciate bands thinking ... if you`re looking for something different, don`t buy it because you know what to expect ... go home and steal your sisters simple plan cds or something ... I love the whole Anti-war Anti-Bush thing, and this EP has some solid NOFX tracks. But that's just the problem. People always complain about PW sounding the same, but NOFX is FARRRRR more guilty of that crime than anyone. What collection of shit! NOFX has passed their prime(punk in drublic). Time to cash in a little more before the emo trend totally takes over. I hear Fat Mike and Connner Oberst will be collaborating on the next Emo Diaries. i thought that song was pretty sweet. i'm excited. I've heard The Idiots are Taking Over and it was less than mediocre. I think these guys are starting to lose it. They should write more songs like Drop the World, The Black and White, or 180 Degrees. Judging by the last few times I've seen them live it seems like they are doing it for the pay check. I love Nofx, the new cd is going to be great! this record is mediocore, seriously these guys need to reevaluate thier careers. this is just plain fucking average. Good review.I think that I'll just wait for the album to come out. |
