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AFI: live in Orlandolive in Orlando (2003)
Universal Music Group

Reviewer Rating: 2


Contributed by: Kevin11Kevin11
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AFI was for the longest time, my favorite band, I, like so many other fans have watched them climb from the depths of the virtual underground, to a full blown worldwide sensation. It came as a surprise they were doing an taping for MTV. AFI? An MTV taping? Live at the fucking Hard Rock? Not somethin.


AFI was for the longest time, my favorite band, I, like so many other fans have watched them climb from the depths of the virtual underground, to a full blown worldwide sensation. It came as a surprise they were doing an taping for MTV. AFI? An MTV taping? Live at the fucking Hard Rock? Not something AFI fans of yester-year would have thought would become of them. Playing one off show before heading off to Europe, A Fire Inside took the stage at Orlando's Hard Rock for what will become an all new MTV special.

We arrived around 30 minutes before the show was to start, the first thing I noticed was there must have been one thousand people outside in the city walk area, all begging for tickets. Luckily, I had bought 2 extra tickets for this very reason. I'll just say I made out pretty good. In any case, I arrived to find the floor packed with people. Surprisingly, the number of trucker hats and mall punks was signifigantly down from the last few "big" shows Orlando has had, but this seemed like the "Sublime" crowd none the less.

At 9, the time the show was to start, the crowd was addressed by Buckethead, a sorry excuse for a human being, and coincidentally, a DJ at the local mainstream rock station! He came on stage, obviously at MTV's request to announce that Simple Plan was doing the same thing (An MTV taping) in September, he was met with nothing but boos and "fuck you's!". Then to pump up the crowd he said "Who wants to be on MTV!??!?" and was once again responded to with a plethora of boos and "fuck you's!"...I was right, there weren't many trucker hats here.

After that, MTV had to get crowd shots, so they told us to act "CRAZY!" so we could be on MTV. Hmmmm. After 20 minutes, they played that shitty song off of the new album that sounds like the Terminator, Davey walked on stage to thunderous cheers, as he had perfected the Ian Curtis, Madonna and Danzig wrapped into one look. I have all of AFI's albums, however I am not familiar with the Sing The Sorrow things, so the chants at the start were lost on me. There seemed to be something missing, all of the lights were on so the cameras could get good shots, the crowd was 1/2 diehard fans and 1/2 drunk frat boys and it just seemed half hearted. After that, they went right into "The Lost Souls" which was liked largely by the crowd, however during the opening vocal line, Davey did a flip into the crowd (kneeing me in the face) and it sent everyone to the ground, it took about 1/3 of the floor out of the song, and made many fat girls cry. Davey should know not to be so aggressive with us. There were TONS of girls in backwards hats, crowd surfing with the "Rock" symbol formed on their hands. Did AFI want this?

After the song, which fortunately had great crowd participation, Davey addressed the crowd, saying "Alright Orlando, let's show the world how we do it" (I think that's what Nelly says too). In any case, they played another STS track, which went over big with most of the people there, then into "Ever and a Day", "Morningstar", "The Leaving Song Part II" "Girl's Not Grey" and "Days of the Phoenix." Unfortunately, it was getting fucking hot down there, I passed out in the bathroom during some slow song. Sorry. My return marked "The Despair Factor" which was followed up by more new songs, then Davey said "This song...is from another time" And played what I believe was Cruise Control. I was in disarray, they were one hour into their set and no Black Sails? I was pretty bummed. Next was the closer "Total Immortal". Of course, they didn't end for real on it, and came out again to play "Death of Seasons" (surprisingly, during the opening bass line, a barrage of boos were heard) and ended with God Called In Sick Today. That's when it hit me how big AFI was, Davey jumping from the MTV statue on stage, Jade doing his stupid hand things and everyone in the place (3,500) singing along, huge rockstar lights behind the band...it just didn't seem right.

Well, there you have it, if you get or watch MTV, this one will be on your tube in a few months. Look at Jade's stupid hair. I think that if you've seen AFI before, you'll see on this that their live show has suffered over the years.

 


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Anonymous (February 10, 2006)

"Anyone here who is a true fan of AFI would be proud of them no matter what they do."
Okay, that's when it starts to sound like a cult.

Anonymous (January 19, 2006)

They Suck haha

Anonymous (December 1, 2005)

Right so no where in this review does he say they sold out. Yes, AFI is more popular now. Yes, they are on MTV. Yes, they gushed about how much they used to love MTV. But the fact remains they used to have some kick ass music. And it is now pretty lame. This review seemed to be more of a critic of the MTV culture, not AFI. Although AFI is (was) part of the MTV culture, no where does he say they sold out. silly people. :)

Anonymous (September 22, 2005)

true. its the dudes opinions and such, leave him alone. if you dont like it, close your window or write your own. Its not easy doing a review on something, so shut it.

Anonymous (June 17, 2005)

The review was fine. It's just the dude's opinion, let him be. Yeah, he might not know the songs on Sing the Sorrow, but that doesn't make him not a fan. I mean, half the people commenting here have probably never heard Shut Your Mouth and Open Your Eyes. I kind of agree, I think AFI's old stuff was a lot more powerful and the popularity is sort of killing them. But they're still awesome and my favorite band. I just really prefer Black Sails to Sing the Sorrow. And I agree, it sucks that almost everything the played at Hard Rock was Sing the Sorrow, because some people really love the old stuff. But whatever, I'll live. But god, don't call the guy who reviewed this a poser. Cuz he's much less of one than half of you guys.

Anonymous (April 3, 2005)

ok well i am an afi fan so im a little biased on all this, but i believe in MY opinion that afi is the best band out there, or at least my favorite. i watched afi on mtv when they were on, and to be honest, i dont see any problem with what they did. and maybe if you were there it would be a different for you becuz you know everything that happened. but the mtv thing isnt all of it. afi has done so much in their years making music. yes they did change their music but its all logically stated why. afi once said that they changed their music becuz they matured and found what they are looking for. my god, they are 28-29 years of age. of course they matured. so of course their music will change. they even said once that their old stuff sucked, yes they did say that ive read it from their quotes. so they did try something new and found what they were looking for. and i sing the sorrow is a masterpiece.

as for the look of afi, i think their style or fashion or whatever goes along perfectly with their music, and so what if davey looks goth and a mix between whoever, if he likes it, let him be. who cares what jades hair looks like, if he likes it, let him be also. you cant judge people until you actually know them personally. and with the mtv thing, so what if they went on mtv, maybe they wanted more fans, maybe the wanted just to perform a concert which they LOVE. it is all logical, so you people shouldnt be so judgemental over anything. but hey, thats just me, and thats my opinion.

Anonymous (March 27, 2005)

You're all fucking morons. Just shut your fucking mouths and either listen to the music, or don't. Sure music is about opinion, but why do all you dumb cunts feel the need to voice yours over and over even when it's the same as everybody else's. I play guitar and I really wanted to be a pro musician, but it seems no matter what you do these days there's still way too many cock knockers out there who think they can do better and that they have the god given right to pass judgement on everybody else. Why, oh fucking why does music have to have so much baggage and bull shit politics with it. I love AFI's old stuff, hate the new...so I don't buy the new album. I don't whine or bitch or moan, I just buy something else. Jesus fucking christ there's a million bands in this world. So AFI aren't a good one any more. All of you twats need to fucking grow up and stop thinking you're intelligent. Here's to your impending deaths.

Anonymous (October 29, 2004)

I can't be bothered to make an account, I agree with EVERYTHING the reviewer has said.
AFI shows make me fucking sick now, and it isn't the influx of screaming teenage girls or the beer swilling fat assed sweaty 6 5" jerks. It's the fact that nobody fucking picks you up anymore, nobody talks to one another, full of excitement at the prospect of seeing another AFI show. I don't feel the engery and the anticipation on the floor anymore. I drink at the back.
I've seen it all before, there is no point in going to the dancefloor to be surrounded by kids who have no idea how to protect themeslves and others and how to dance responsibly and with consideration. I've seen the twirls, I've seen the dry ice and I've seen the crowdwalking. I've seen the hair flips and the air kisses. I've also seen a ton of 'Behind the Music; episodes.

Anonymous (October 17, 2004)

okay, there's very little i can say about this, but the majority of you are looking way too far into this and need to think before you reply. so, let's address both parties.

for those of you who believe afi are sellouts, i can't agree. really, i never use the word sellout because it doesn't happen as often as everyone would like to think it does. change is both necessary and inevitable. the changes afi made in their music shouldn't come as a surprise to you. they are HUMAN, not machines designed to keep churning out album after album that all sounds the same. if you consider that "selling out" then you should be sterilized immediately. as for the fact that they're bending to the will of the media, i'm not really sure. sing the sorrow isn't my favourite album, and it never will be. however, when i got the album, i realized that there are more simularities with black sails and the art of drowning than i supposed. they may be bending somewhat, but think about it. if you could make some SMALL changes for a little more money, wouldn't you do it? besides, music is all about connecting with the fans, and i hate mtv with a burning passion, but mtv is the best way to reach more fans. maybe they've changed a lot, but since you AREN'T any of the members of afi, you wouldn't know, now would you? they may be doing just what they want to do and there are no other factors whatsoever.

to those who decided they were intelligent by replying like "OMG u soo aren't cool, afi is the BEST band ever", let's stop now. your very vain attempt at arguing your point has been made. we get it. i suggest that you actually have EVIDENCE so that people like me are writing fake warrants for your death. i love afi, and i always will, no matter what they do in the future, because their old stuff was good and that's good enough for me. but i'm afraid you people need to get a life and stop while you're ahead. i agree that change doesn't constitute all the shit they're getting now, but please be intelligent about it. you make me look bad.

and i know that was ungodly long, but i hope i made my point. if you didn't understand i word of what i just said, then please, make sure that your genetics don't get passed down. we really don't need more people like you.

Anonymous (July 30, 2004)

oo ya one more thing i forgot to say. almost the most important of all.............AFI IS NOT PUNK ANY MORE YOU FUCKING IDIOTS

Anonymous (July 30, 2004)

ok . have u ever seen what a cure-bauhaus-joydivision-sisters of mercy-siouxsie and the banshees-misfit-" i left my mohawk and sex pistols mentality behind me"- fab looks like? ya! your right davey havok. and im sure if your familiar with "post punk" """""GOTH"""""""" music, than youll know understand how much these bands can affect you. especially the cure. so, ya, afi apppears that theyve lost themselves in mtv. i would know, cus there is actually still fans from before black sails, believe it or not, but IM SURE davey knows thats what it looks like too. and im sure he cares. but w/e its all about money sometimes. and about the new sts "mall punk" crowd haha. fuck that. were gna have to live with it. and the REAL fans can just sit back and laugh as a group of skater wanna be kids "dance" and shit and put the afi patches on their backpacks right next to the "something corporate" not even knowing what afi is all about. think religious wise.

Anonymous (July 17, 2004)

theres no AFI song i dislike, n the fact that ur calling them sellouts is just ur shallow view... when any band desided to defer from our normal expectations of them, is that selling out? ur predetermined views of how the band should act in relation to how they once did is in one word: pathetic. and what makes u more superior to the "trucker hat" fans? may i ask?
u can say what u wish about how they look and act, how much more money they make than u and the "mall punks" they attract, but the real reason we listen to a band is because of their music, MTV or not, predominantly the music hooks the fans, not their views, behaviour or appearence...
forever sing the sorrow

Anonymous (June 18, 2004)

Dude, FUCK YOU, AFI is the GREATEST band in the fuckin world. At least they have the courage to go out there and sing a style of music thats different, thats the best thing about AFI...they don't follow anyone. Davey's vocals are so extreme and hardcore, it's amazing that someone can sing like that. And don't fuckin EVER insult Jade like that, his hair isn't stupid...it's sexy. In fact, Jade, Davey, Adam, and Hunter are all sexy and extremely talented, so FUCK OFF ASSHOLE!

Anonymous (December 23, 2003)

an amazing show.they rock .jade is a kickass guitarist,and davey a fuckin charismatic singer.if they play too well for you then fuck ya

Anonymous (October 5, 2003)

You don't have the new album, you passed out during the show, and you still want us to care what you thought about the show?

Anonymous (August 29, 2003)

Davey Havok looks less like a guy these days and more like a hot chick.

Anonymous (August 29, 2003)

Davey Havok looks less like a fuy these days and more like a hot chick....

Anonymous (August 28, 2003)

fuck, they played the same set when i saw them too; closed with total immortal, came back and played death of seasons and god called in sick today. still a good show though, just sucks to hear that they play it every night, makes a repeated viewing seem not worthwile

Anonymous (August 28, 2003)

fuck, they played the same set when i saw them too; closed with total immortal, came back and played death of seasons and god called in sick today. still a good show though, just sucks to hear that they play it every night, makes a repeated viewing seem not worthwile

unconcerned (August 27, 2003)

Through our breeding, we are dumb

GreenVandal (August 27, 2003)

??? Apparently they dont allow plus signs in your posts. Ok, "AFI's live performance is still great"*

there, now it makes sense.

GreenVandal (August 27, 2003)

"AFI's live performance is still A "

fuckin typos

GreenVandal (August 27, 2003)

Holy god....dont EVER talk about Kotton Mouth kings. EW, what a fucking terrible waste of life band.

And I dont like AFI's new audience because they are fucking morons. Like when they dont help peolpe who fall down, or almost break your arm because they want to get up front and you are in the way. AFI's new music is eh, there live performance is still A , but the shows i have been to are 0 fun, because it is hazardous to your health to be near all the people that want to touch Davey.

Anonymous (August 27, 2003)

When are you guys gonna review some kottonmouth kings shit? they're a million times more "punk"(whatever that is) than any of this pop crap on the site. if the arguement can be made to review this because of punk music branching out, then you can get some KMK news up.

Anonymous (August 27, 2003)

to the 24 year old "geyser". right on! i remember when i started listening to punk MUSIC. it was the MUSIC that i cared about. does it suck that bands i love are now gracing tiger beat magazine, yes. did i really expect them to work minimum wage jobs all of their lives so that they could always be "my" band, no. it will all fade away again like it did in the mid-90's and then we can all sleep well in the comfort of knowing carson daily won't be throwing "shout outs" to the band we saw, "like four years ago in a basement with three other peolpe".

Anonymous (August 26, 2003)

i gotta question. even if there were people in trucker caps, and dickies, does that make them assholes, does that make them like horrible bands,? NO. i don't understand why someone from punknews.com would write such a ridiculous sentence/papragraph/review. You are an idiot, i suppose what you wear is what we are supposed to wear? PUNK ROCK IS NOT A FUCKING UNIFORM!

Anonymous (August 26, 2003)

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This is one of the worst questions I've ever seen asked of a band. Did AFI want thousands of people to love their music? Did AFI want to make art for a living that touched people - and by "people" I mean anyone, not just you elitest assholes. Music is for everyone. Just because you look to your left and see someone you don't like doesn't change the fact that the music is still good. This is one of the worst reviews ever because it proliferates this kinda of close-minded, simple way of thinking.

Anonymous (August 26, 2003)

i just took a dump. It was better than this review.

-crazyupsetter

Anonymous (August 26, 2003)

Awe, does your pussy hurt? What a lame review. Do you even mention how the songs were, what notes Davey hit and missed on, how they performed live as a group? You obviously picked up on the fact that every true AFI fan doesn't wear trucker hats though. Congradulations on becoming a retard and a whiney bitch all at the same time

Anonymous (August 26, 2003)

Wow, everyone's comments seem to be directed at whether AFI is still cool to like or not now that they're popular. What happened to reviews and appreciation of music? I think if anyone here actually played instruments or ever recorded anything they'd appreciate Sing the Sorrow as a progression from Very Proud of Ya (sacrilege?!) Their live show as far as I've seen is just as amazing as it was years ago. Does the fact that the audience has broadened change the band?

GreenVandal (August 25, 2003)

I dont talk any shit in real life...I get it all out here!

Anonymous (August 25, 2003)

whoever said Joy Division 'started goth' is really stupid.

Anonymous (August 25, 2003)

wow, the reviewer is a pretentious twit.

i can't believe you mentioned ian curtis while describing davey havok, do you even know what ian curtis looks like? absolutely nothing like davey havok. cute little attempt at name dropping though. also, you're fixation on 'trucker hats' is childish. you come off as some 15 year old twerp trying to be 'scene'.

Anonymous (August 25, 2003)

GG ALLEN!

Carmalita, hold me tighter cause I think I'm sinking down. And I'm all strung out on heroin on the outskirts of town.

SOYBOMB (August 25, 2003)

While I must admit it's funny to read some of the incredibly jaded posts below, in a sense, it's sickening to believe that you people actually walk around and talk your shit in reality...

Peace,
-SOYBOMB-

Anonymous (August 25, 2003)

I know what these shows are like, I feel your pain. They're this really stifled corporate atmosphere and the whole time it just feels like you're being watched like a fuckin hawk. The kids who show up to these are ones who only go to shows at HOB and Hard Rock and get all their music through MTV, so they just act in the way they think is natural by pogoing and crowd surfing with the m/ and all that. So all us hepcat scenesters just look at them like the lobotomized apes they are; however we must remember that in any MTV show at HRL, we're the ones going into their element.

Oh yeah, and the sound on these shows is horrible, even worse than the usual HRL sound which is terrible as is. The sound mix has to be turned way down so the cameras don't pick up feedback, and the shows are just way too fuckin quiet.
-------Ryan T. Murphy, for some reason not logged in.

Anonymous (August 25, 2003)

I know what these shows are like, I feel your pain. They're this really stifled corporate atmosphere and the whole time it just feels like you're being watched like a fuckin hawk. The kids who show up to these are ones who only go to shows at HOB and Hard Rock and get all their music through MTV, so they just act in the way they think is natural by pogoing and crowd surfing with the m/ and all that. So all us hepcat scenesters just look at them like the lobotomized apes they are; however we must remember that in any MTV show at HRL, we're the ones going into their element.

Oh yeah, and the sound on these shows is horrible, even worse than the usual HRL sound which is terrible as is. The sound mix has to be turned way down so the cameras don't pick up feedback, and the shows are just way too fuckin quiet.

Anonymous (August 24, 2003)

afi were amazing. true fans dont criticize every fucking thing. they enjoy the music , because they like the band.

Anonymous (August 24, 2003)

am i the only one here who thought sing the sorrow was a good cd? its not black sails or anything..but it is a step in another direction for them.. and i for one love it.. i just wont be going to their shows anymore cuz i saw them when they were at the height of the careers and i dont want to kill that by seeing them play shitty in funny clothes just to impress the rich suburban kids (im not one to talk but still) who pay them loads of money cuz mtv is so punk rock these days.. oh well... i'll just cherish the memories of yesterday and move on and not dwell on the garbage of today.

Poisonthesink (August 24, 2003)

This seems like a column more than a review, where you vent your frustration that a former favorite band has become popular and the fact you don't like trucker hats(especially when they're worn backwards.)

Cleveland, Home of Poisonthesink, Dennis Kucinach, and Halley Berry!

captaincrunch (August 24, 2003)

I'm down for some online madden, email me

-captain crunch

Anonymous (August 24, 2003)

better hope davie didnt find you knocked out in the bathroom

Anonymous (August 24, 2003)

hey, who remembers when afi played Velies(?) Planet in springfield, il umpteen million years ago. wow

Anonymous (August 24, 2003)

Why is it that none of this guy's reviews are any good? All it is his him bitching about how he's punker than everyone else there and how he knew about them first, therefore he is the better fan. Maybe he should quit writing things just for the reaction and post a decent review for once.

Anonymous (August 24, 2003)

"So what's the problem?"

Jethro Tull is a joke and the Rolling Stones' best albums were their earliest ones.

Anonymous (August 24, 2003)

"BSD, finish this sentence, Joy Division started Goth, Davey Havok is _____."

That's bull shit... Joy Division were not a goth band and anybody who listens to their music or has even seen a picture of them playing live will know that.

-BSD

Anonymous (August 24, 2003)

Anyone here who is a true fan of AFI would be proud of them no matter what they do. This is obviously what they want, and they're happy with it. If this wasn't what they wanted, they wouldn't have got on a major label, and they wouldn't have done music videos, etc. They're not breaking the law. Did you guys ever think that bands might jump to major labels so that they can get their music to the masses? Indie labels simply do not have as many outlets for music as majors do. People from little towns in the USA and the world might be lucky if they have a KMart nearby. Luckily, this major label carries their CD's to KMart. This indie label does not. Also, it can be a matter of recording fees/production. With a major label comes better sound, from better equipment, and a lot of times better producers who know a lot about music...which is obviously why they're paid so well. Major labels aren't the devil or something. My god...were the Rolling Stones on a major label? Yep. Jethro Tull? Yep. So what's the problem? Everyone who thinks that bands need to stay big enough to fit in their back pocket need to get a clue. I'm proud of every band that I've watched come up to major labels...they all worked their asses off by playing tiny, overheated clubs, dirty bars, making basement demos on frickin 4-tracks and whatnot to get there. This is what a lot of bands want and what a lot of bands never get, so I'm proud as hell for AFI and where they are today. Thanks.

GreenVandal (August 24, 2003)

OOOH! PUSSY AND MADDEN! FUCKING ROCK DUDE! Kevin11, it saddens me to think of all the sperm that perished in that condom on the night of your creation. All that potential...and yours was the one that got through the leak. They died for naught...

Anonymous (August 24, 2003)

BSD, finish this sentence, Joy Division started Goth, Davey Havok is _____.

Anonymous (August 24, 2003)

"as he had perfected the Ian Curtis, Madonna and Danzig wrapped into one look."

What in the sam-fuck are you talking about? What the fuck is with reviewers who know NOTHING about Joy Division trying to compare them to modern bands? Davey Havock... However the hell you spell it looks and acts NOTHING like Ian Curtis. He does not SING like Ian Curtis... Please say you're joking.

-BSD

Kevin11 (August 24, 2003)

Fortyminuteswest's comments are world class. By the way, do you AFI goth pussies get that I say things just to get the reaction I got from you? Hope your black nail polish didn't get on the keyboard. Anyone played the new Madden? Holy shit, Vick is unstoppable! Once we get settled down, I'll call for a punknews.org Online Madden ring. It'll be awesome. P.S. AFI pussies, I was in the Despair Faction before you. I win. Pussy.

Anonymous (August 24, 2003)

More importantly Davey needs a makeover. One of his bandmates should call Extreme Makeover and sign him up. The rest of the guys look good.

Sara( no h)

FortyMinutesWest (August 24, 2003)

"All i got from the interview.."

Yeah, this is the worst interview ever, he didn't even ask any questions! Oh wait..

Anonymous (August 24, 2003)

afi is gay.

Anonymous (August 24, 2003)

I saw AFI in Brisbane 2 weeks ago, probably the best night of my life. There was about 80% poser elite kids who were punker than thou with "i've know afi the longest" written all over them. but i dont judge a show by my fellow audience members, or what they are wearing, what the fuck. I dont care for jades haircut, or how davey walks. This was a fashion review, written by a hypocritical DICK-HEAD.

concentrate on the fact that everyone there wanted to see afi, and afi no doubt rocked. not on what you think the band thinks of the fans, and what the fans think of the fans, it aint about you.

-stick

TheOneTrueBill (August 24, 2003)

"People singing along at a punk show, why I never..."

don't get me started!

Anonymous (August 24, 2003)

i would love to get up there and do what they do insted of working my 9 to five job they make good money im sure
while im making a lousy 500 a week they might make 50,000 that night wouldnt youguys sell out too?

I would :)

Sandon

Anonymous (August 24, 2003)

All i got from the interview is that he doesn't like trucker hat wearing mall punks because now the he doesn't look as cool going to the afi show. That's cool that you went to the show despite their new cd being beyond horrible but you knew what you were in for. Sing the Sorrow and the new punk fans that suddenly appeared out of no where. Everyone is so worried about pop punk cramping their style nowadays. Now that pop punk is really popular, people are starting to listen to other punk bands and now they're not cool and underground. People need to realize that it's just a phase and to quit bitching.

Anonymous (August 23, 2003)

fun show,super hot, too many lights, not enough old stuff. I was stoked that they played total immortal though.

FortyMinutesWest (August 23, 2003)

" The only thing that sucked was everybody was singing along. I didn't pay to hear fans participate in a sing-a-long!"

People singing along at a punk show, why I never...

Anonymous (August 23, 2003)

I dont care when it came out, Blacksails is art. Sing the sorrow is...um...not.

Anonymous (August 23, 2003)

Well, I was at the show and nobody boo'ed when Death of Seasons came on. The only thing that sucked was everybody was singing along. I didn't pay to hear fans participate in a sing-a-long!

Anonymous (August 23, 2003)

please!!! stop reviewing this shitty, shitty band.

FortyMinutesWest (August 23, 2003)

"what year did the black sails album come out? they're touring in support of the new album...not their old stuff!"

You're an idiot. Yes, they're touring in support of "Sing the Sorrow", but that doesn't mean they shouldn't play old songs. Fans go to shows to hear all their favorites, not just stuff off the new CD.

Anonymous (August 23, 2003)

first off...it wasnt cruise control it was perfect fit.
second off...hard rock live only hold 2,800 not 3,500, check the venue's website...one last thing, what year did the black sails album come out? they're touring in support of the new album...not their old stuff!

Anonymous (August 23, 2003)

Man this bad went foul. I mean their other stuff was good,but what the hell is up with the cd being full of crap. Also Davey looks scary now. Scary ugly.

Sara(no h)

Anonymous (August 23, 2003)

MINOR THREAT! now there's a band. lets switch topics. DAG NASTY was neither dag nor nasty...discuss.

-exhaustra

Anonymous (August 23, 2003)

SOYBOMB, why do you have to take the words right out of my mouth?

Minor Threat

P.S. People screaming sellout with any band will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.

SOYBOMB (August 23, 2003)

While I must admit it's funny to read some of the incredibly jaded posts below, in a sense, it's sickening to believe that you people actually walk around and talk your shit in reality...

Peace,
-SOYBOMB-

THAT_GUY (August 23, 2003)

To the guy WAY AT THE BOTTOM who commented on tehm having sold out for playing a Clear Channel venue,have you even payed attention to other bands playing CC venues ? Bad Religion,Hot Water Music,Less Than Jake,Recover,Anti Flag,Lucky Boys Confusion,Modest Mouse,Built to Spill,Misfits(the shitty version now),Hey Mercedes,Atreyu,Snapcase,Boy Stes Fire,Allister,Home Grown,Motion City Soundtrack....And so many others. Open your eyes,the monster that is Clear Channel is eating up everything,it's very hard to play a show not influenced by them. I hate their homogenized "musical scene" as much as the next guy,but you just have to grin and bear it.Ok,maybe not grin...

Kevin11 (August 23, 2003)

I won't dignify many of these "insults" with responses, but the I'll just add that the show was only $7, so it wasn't like I was shelling out $20 or something to see them do an MTV taping.

Anonymous (August 23, 2003)

All of you are fucking gay. Seriously, it was his review, he can write whatever he wants. If you don't like it, then eat an asshole. He has a right to feel however he wants about AFI getting better. I remember when I saw the Ataris play here in Indiana in front of 20 people. It was a great show, it was just great to talk to the guys and have fun with them after the show. Of course that won't happen now with 1.2 million screaming girls at their show nows. Seriously, bands just aren't as fun when everyone else listens to them. Now let the bitching start at my comment.......

Anonymous (August 23, 2003)

Jesus Christ, man. The "trucker hats" aren't the problem. Narrow minded fucks like you are.

Anonymous (August 23, 2003)

Blah blah blah yeah they "sold out" "no they didn't" who cares!!!ANyways I went to see J-Chruch instead and i'm glad I did!Only two or three good songs were played!But i'm starting to hate punk because of people like the ones who post the same shit on this page with words like "sold out" and "not punk anymore" and because of people who listen to all that poppy shit and think that they know anyting about music!! You are all ruining what used to be rock n' roll! So go listen to the Dead Kennedys or Sum 41 and leave everyone else alone! This coming from a 24 year old geyser who listens to music for the actual MUSIC!

Anonymous (August 23, 2003)

"punk rock" mtv = sellouts

have you not heard, punk died back in 77! in theory mtv and punk rock makes no sense. just like christian punk. against the norm you damn idiots...figure it out.

AFI = Alternative Flashy Instruments

Not even original, copying 80's band names like ATF (After The Fire). I think the fire inside died when Davey made it his life goal to impress Danzig so he can sleep with him.

-666

Anonymous (August 23, 2003)

great review. gimmick rock at its worst.AFireInside will fade away soon, and we can all go back listening to Very Proud of Ya.

Anonymous (August 23, 2003)

shouldnt be so aggressive? fuck off,if you dont like it you shouldnt be dancing in the pit,get the fuck out and stand at the side.
as for afi nowadays,what a disapointment. the new album is terrible and they have become what they once hated. they lost my respect but i doubt that they care that a majoritty of the old fans no longer like them, they have 14 year old girl groupies and rock shows mtv. dont come back to canada.

Anonymous (August 23, 2003)

man yall are dumb...(well only the ones saying "oh im not gonna go to the next concert that comes by me if they just play new songs") Thats pretty gay AFI is still an AWESOME band no matter what they play...Davey jade and hunter have so much energy especially Davey he gets the crowd going wild...i attended the show at hard rock that was one of the most amazing shows i have ever seen AFI play granted it might have been better if they played some old stuff like "answer that and stay fashionable" thats a really good album...but i didnt expect them to because its an MTV taping..going into that show i couldnt believe AFI was doing a taping for MTV but when i left...i couldnt have been happier that i was going to get to see that on TV :) all the people saying i cant believe they didnt play stuff from black sails...they actually did play one song...i believe but i couldnt be wrong well all in all that was a fucking great show and i know you ALL are going to watch it on mtv :):) buhbyez

GreenVandal (August 23, 2003)

Your name here is a badass song. But the best song they got is Malleus Malificarum. If they repeatedly played that song for a hour and then closed with midnight sun, I would be a happy camper.

Anonymous (August 23, 2003)

Who's Ian Curtis?

Anonymous (August 23, 2003)

i meant below below, the "this review sucks" one.

Anonymous (August 23, 2003)

The guy below me can eat a collective online dick.

Anonymous (August 23, 2003)

"Davey should know not to be so aggressive with us."

pussy!

Anonymous (August 23, 2003)

This review sucks. It isn't even a review. This is just an excuse so someone can whine about how they don't like a band now because they're popular. You had to of known the show would be like that. They weren't gonna come out, say fuck mtv, then play stuff off of very proud of ya and other older songs. They were obviously gonna play sing the sorrow and a few off of art of drowning. Try actually reviewing a show for once instead of listing the songs that played and who was in attendence.

Anonymous (August 23, 2003)

We ride to fight!

Anonymous (August 22, 2003)

so do they play nothing pre-Black Sails now? They used to play "wanna get a mohawk" or "highschool football hero" towards the end of their sets..

Anonymous (August 22, 2003)

Even though they didn't play much older stuff, it was still a great show. Total Immortal got the crowd going nuts, it was something serious. One could tell that AFI was giving all they had to show the fans a great show. It was funny they had this one camera that went about crowd level and they kicked this kid out for grabbin their camera into the crowd. The only annoying thing was that the crowd just kept swaying over and over and it was hot as fuck to boot. Overall great show, my only complaints are they could have played some more older songs but I knew they weren't going to especially with MTV there and all. The other complaint would be just more time to play, even though they did fucking rip it up on stage. This was by far one of the most crowded shows I had ever been too, besides warped tour. AFI is getting huge but also there were alot of hardcore fans there all singing the songs even louder than Davey. You all that missed it you will have to watch it on MTV2 but who knows which songs they will pick and how much of the show they will actually broadcast. They definetely left there presence in Orlando. Everyone I heard talking was amazed how good the show was, it was fuckning brilliant.

Anonymous (August 22, 2003)

I attended the show and thought that AFI blew up. They played great alot of energy throughout the show. They did play mostly STS and AOD songs but the energy was typical AFI fashion. Davey was going off, the best was when he stood up on the huge MTV logo and just starting going crazy. The venue was tight but it was to fucking crowded. There was so many people there and it did get hot. I didn't pass out in the bathroom like this pussy but still it was pretty grueling. It will be interesting to see what songs get played on the MTV special and which get cut since well at least so far, the tapings are usually on for a 1/2 hour.

Anonymous (August 22, 2003)

Davey ain't got shit on Danzig either.

FortyMinutesWest (August 22, 2003)

I go see AFI if they played all the stuff from "Shut Your Mouth.." and maybe "Your Name Here".

Anonymous (August 22, 2003)

My lord some of you people are such FUCKING PUSSIES you are just mad because they are finally getting the respect they deserve after what 10 fucking years your damn right there gona play on MTV They deserve to if more bands like AFI played for that fucked up station then we probably all wouldent hate so much

Anonymous (August 22, 2003)

i agree davey has nothing on ian curtis

Anonymous (August 22, 2003)

Please do not ever mention Ian Curtis and Davey Havok on the same page.

~jaobe

GreenVandal (August 22, 2003)

No songs off of Black Sails? Whats the point of seeing AFI if they dont play there good songs?

Anonymous (August 22, 2003)

"The same people ragging on AFI for changing are probably the same people ragging on Pennywise for not changing."

SCORE IS FOR THAT COMMENT.

Anonymous (August 22, 2003)

"Look at Jade's stupid hair" is a funny comment. What did it look like? The last time I saw AFI was in Ventura in October 2001, the same day Dexter Holland cut them off from Nitro...one of the best shows Ive ever seen.

Anonymous (August 22, 2003)

the review was all right he never said anything negative directly about afi but not playing black sails is fucked up wat happened to the afi that the fans loved and apreciated? and what the hell are they doing an mtv show for ...god dammit ! just makes me think twice about going to their next show around my place....

Anonymous (August 22, 2003)

The same people ragging on AFI for changing are probably the same people ragging on Pennywise for not changing.

It's no wonder you schmucks are so miserable, you hate everything. (Except for shitty bands no one has heard of or likes apparently, just so you can call them your own.)

FortyMinutesWest (August 22, 2003)

I see no problem with the review.

Anonymous (August 22, 2003)

When are you so called Punk rockers gonna grow up and stop using childish words like sold out and poser...You people care too much.
Go listen to your so called underground punk that next week will also be on MTV.
Its time to just wake up and relize that bands will make it on MTV now a days and insted of bashing the former bands you now hate...be happy there music and message is reaching more people.

Fuck punk rock fans your such snobs.

8dollarclarinetsolo (August 22, 2003)

to be honest, i think it was a good review, he never said "afi sold out" or anything like that, he never even said a negative thing except the stupid haircut, he just presented what he saw, and said "Did AFI want this?"

and as for the comments.... i think "Go download some more music you poseur." speaks for itself
just my opinion though dont get all uppity

Anonymous (August 22, 2003)

afi sucks

Anonymous (August 22, 2003)

HORRIBLE REVIEW.
Why would you buy tickets for this then rip on everything that happened? What exactly did you expect? AFI playing all of "Black Sails" to a crowd of 50?

Anonymous (August 22, 2003)

the reviewer is a fucking idiot. you bitch about no black sails songs right after admitting that you passed out in the bathroom...dumbshit. and why the fuck did everyone start booing at the start of death of seasons? what a shitty town

Anonymous (August 22, 2003)

This is the most childish review I've ever read. Grow up, there's more to music than punk politics.

Anonymous (August 22, 2003)

Everyone is so pissed!!!

- Scott
http://www.local-felons.com/
(AFI, eh, doesn't do it for me)

Anonymous (August 22, 2003)

oh bullshit, not every band wants to be huge...ever heard of Fugazi?

Anonymous (August 22, 2003)

This review is ridiculous. AFI has gotten better and better every time I've seen them lately.

They have worked so hard for this, so screw you if you're going to be a baby now that they're finally getting some fuckin' credit.

No band out there wants to remain an underground band. If they do, it's because they suck ass and know it and are just trying to cover it up by convincing kids who like them that they're special for doing so.

(see 99% of the bands you kids listen to these days)

Anonymous (August 22, 2003)

I don't recall anyone in AFI claiming to be anarchists. They didn't sell out you fucking moron.
I am so sorry to the reviewer that AFI is no longer the cool underground band that he loved. Go jump on the Taking Back Sunday or Trustkill records bandwagons before they get any bigger. Then you can maintain your "punk" credibility.
I am sure everyone in the audience was 16 or 17 and you, being almost 19, are too cool to hang out with "kids" anymore. This is the dumbest, most pathetic review I have ever read. He calls himself a fan yet hasn't even heard the songs off Sing the Sorrow apparently. Go download some more music you poseur.

Anonymous (August 22, 2003)

AFI soldout, that means you should go find some better music elsewhere, why would you review this shit in the first place? (Yes, I specifically said soldout because they are playing at ClearChannel-owned venues.)

NoUse (August 22, 2003)

Hmm- get over the fact that they are on MTV and becoming successful after paying their due for 10 years...

We all know "Black Sails In The Sunset" was one of the greatest albums ever.

And- since you hate MTV so much- why did you go in the first place? You knew you were going to be disappointed.

Anonymous (August 22, 2003)

afi are visiting sweden in 10 days and they're gonna play a 400 capacity venue, it will have like 200 people at most there and i hope it will fucking rip, because i really hyped this for myself.

this review is angry, but it doesn't really say anything negative except that you think jades hair is stupid.

porkpie (August 22, 2003)

oh god. hey mr. reviewer - shut up. honestly. your band is SOOOO MUCH BETTER, right? christ. i hate shit like this. and i'm not even going to waste my time explaining why.

Anonymous (August 22, 2003)

They should do more techno songs like death of seasons. Hope you didn't get hurt in the bathroom.

Anonymous (August 22, 2003)

boohoo

Anonymous (August 22, 2003)

FiRsT

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