Ryan's Hope / Down In Front / Kid Presentable

Ryan's Hope/Down In Front/Kid Presentable: live in Chicagolive in Chicago (2003)
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Reviewer Rating: 4

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I gathered the gang up and headed down to the familiar and lovely Fireside Bowl to see Ryan's Hope play their first gig at the famed venue, as well as take in some new rock. Let's begin. Ascending / Descending was the first band up. I didn't have a big problem with this opening band's music, w.

I gathered the gang up and headed down to the familiar and lovely Fireside Bowl to see Ryan's Hope play their first gig at the famed venue, as well as take in some new rock. Let's begin.

Ascending / Descending was the first band up. I didn't have a big problem with this opening band's music, which was that kinda tech melodic hardcore stuff, but the singer, when he wasn't screaming, reminded me of a crappy band‚?¶not sure which, maybe Godsmack. Also note that the bassist used to be in Dearest Fae I believe, a really psycho hardcore band, and now he's in this band. Oh well. This band apparently has only been together for 20 days or something (they only had a 4 song set), so they will likely improve. We'll see.

The Evil Us's were next, and they reminded me of Strung Out or old Lagwagon back when they were metal. They were not hardcore, but punk, often with double-time beats, and then add metal riffs onto that. At times maybe they could even be compared to Thrice with the guitars' technical harmonized parts, but these guys didn't have any screaming. Worth checking out for sure, but sometimes it seems they were just showing off their chops whether the song benefited or not.

Next was Kid Presentable. When they started off, I was horrified at the singer's voice. He seemed to improve his pitch as the set went on, but this had already turned me off to them. They seem to be fairly young band, playing decent rock with emo leanings. Nothing that really grabbed me, but perhaps with time‚?¶

Then came Down in Front. These guys played a tight set of Alkaline Trio-ish punk rock. Their singer had a good voice and a big range, but it seemed to wear on him as the set went on. He said he was taking over all the vocals that he shares with the other ill guitarist, and it's lucky for him he usually doesn't have to do all that, because many more sets like that one may require him to join Skiba in vocal chord destruction. Check these guys out - melodic rock that maintains an edge thanks to aggressive guitar parts and an energetic and skilled rhythm section.

Finally it was time for Ryan's Hope in their Fireside debut. Their fans came out in droves and everyone was excited for the occasion. For those of you that are unfamiliar, Ryan's Hope is three hardcore guys playing melodic punk/emo rock. The hardcore leanings (and C tuning), along with sweet breakdowns and kick-ass solos set them apart from other punk/melodic/rock/emo/whatever bands.

The band kept the set going at a good clip, playing a variety of songs from their two EPs -"Home Tonight" and the title track off the Every Place I Hide EP, and "Death Machine", "Kristen", "A Change in Everything" and the title track off the Weighing What Matters EP, and also the three tracks off their full length's demo. One of those newbies featured an appearance by the singer from Article 57 who did some bloodcurdling screaming. They closed with my fav, "Nick Springer", with its multiple buildups and those sweet metal riffs at the end. Also, the band's stage presence didn't disappoint, as the guys showed their hardcore experience by lifting guitars high in the air and headbanging in a circular fashion. Rock.


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Anonymous (August 21, 2005)

chicago? wtf im in fremont ca... this page has some pretty interesting comments..well all i have to say is ryan's hope is pretty fucking awsome, 'in a sea' my favorite. and i forget how i ever heard of you guys here in ca, but keep up all your hard work.

Anonymous (February 20, 2004)

ryans hope has signed to double zero records, home of the smoking popes an split habit

Anonymous (February 16, 2004)

Ryan's Hope at the Bottom Lounge Chicago!!!!
Split Habit (Double Zero record release)
Red Hot Valentines
The Pointe
The show is gonna rock so hard you face is gonna crack open and bleed. Hope to see you all there!

Anonymous (February 13, 2004)

dead mules and donkey porn

Anonymous (January 26, 2004)

Ryan's Hope at Subculture Skatepark in Elgin Il. with Split Habit and ATM!
show starts at 7pm
its gonna rock dead mules back to life.

Anonymous (January 21, 2004)

terry morrow is a rock n roll god. and he's hot too.

Anonymous (January 21, 2004)

whoever said that shit about greg alltop is dead! greg is one of the nicest guys i know. just cuz he's still learning drums doesn't mean that he sucks. ryans hope rox my fucking shit!

Anonymous (January 21, 2004)

I thought Ryan's Hope played an excellent set at the Fireside. One of the best I've ever seen actually, which is an amazing feat considering it was their first gig at the Fireside. Kudos to the band! All three of them are great guys. I sincerely encourage all of you who posted to try to actually get to know these guys. It seems like a lot of you (ie. David and That Guy) just like to hear yourselves talk. Get off the internet and do something with yourselves. peace.

Anonymous (January 19, 2004)

ryan's hope is playing the BOTTOM LOUNGE in CHICAGO ON SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 21ST!! details will arrive shortly on the site.BE THERE!!!

Anonymous (January 10, 2004)

they are nice guys, your probably just a moron..

Anonymous (January 10, 2004)

i met ryans hope at this show, and they were a bunch of dicks. especially the drummer. he sucks anyways

Anonymous (January 9, 2004)

saturday, jan 17th at the mason hall in joliet, come see
keep away from julie,
any given week,
hidden wall of machine guns,
ryan's hope
6 PM $6.oo

Anonymous (January 9, 2004)

ignorance is not bliss

Anonymous (January 9, 2004)

yes, everyone knows that ryan's hope was a shitty soap opera but that's has nothing to do with the band.
they were named ryan's hope after a close friend that they lost, his name was ryan.

Anonymous (January 9, 2004)

Ryan's Hope was a cheesy fucking soap opera back in the 80's.

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/sho wid-116/

And it's an absolutely horrid band name.

Anonymous (January 9, 2004)

i heard ryan's hope is playing the metro in late march?!? does any one know if this is true?

Anonymous (January 8, 2004)

Hey that guy, you might as well have just put this in your post. Ryans hope ryans hope ryans hope ryans hope ryans hope ryans hope ryans hope ryans hope ryans hope ryans hope ryans hope ryans hope ryans hope ryans hope ryans hoperyans hope ryans hoperyans hoperyans hoperyans hoperyans hoperyans hoperyans hoperyans hoperyans hoperyans hoperyans hope

Anonymous (January 8, 2004)

didnt have to man.

ThatotherGuy (January 7, 2004)

To the guy a couple of posts down, I'm arguing on a different point than about the actual band, I have ABSOLUTELY nothing against them. I've never even heard them, so technically I'm not helping get their name out. In fact, I've never even typed thei name.


Anonymous (January 7, 2004)

I heard they named they're band after a friend of theirs who died.
Made a little more sense knowing that.

Anonymous (January 7, 2004)

great review, i havent seen an uproar like this in a while, all because of a band? who is this band, they're fucking genius!! keep talking it up, your only helping them

TheOneTrueBill (January 7, 2004)

Alright, this is off comment.

But who thinks I can see F-Minus at the fireside and Locust/DEP at the metro on the same night? I'm going to try.

Anonymous (January 7, 2004)

Wow, it looks like someone is jealous of the fact that ryan’s hope has a lot of fans in the area. Can you please tell me why it is that you think that people should pick “a knew local band to start kissing ass to”? Who kisses ryan’s hope’s “asses” anyway? People actually like there music, how’s that kissing ass? And yes, them playing “like 4 shows on the” warped tour does mean something, if they weren’t any good then why were they picked to play? Can you answer that?
Can you please tell me why you feel the need to talk shit about ryan’s hope, is it because your band doesn’t get any good attention? Maybe that’s because ryan’s hope: works there asses off, they are amazing musicians, really nice guys, and they write great music that actually moves/matters to people. So stop and think before you start talking shit.

So go write some shitty song that no one cares about.

cactussac (January 7, 2004)

just by browsing through these comments i have one suggestion:

all of you kill yourselves now.

as for the show, I didn't go and I haven't heard Ryan's Hope... but they need a new fucking name.

that is all.

Anonymous (January 7, 2004)

kid presentable is pretty good. cool digs.

ThatotherGuy (January 7, 2004)

Wow, I'm not even going to TRY to argue with your incredibly flawed logic. How old are you ? I mean honestly, you just basically ignored all of my points, and restated you ORIGINAL flawed argument. Do you know what name dropping is ? It's when you say the names of bands in order to associate yourself with them, therby becoming "cooler". ex. "Me and Converge hung out".(no we didn't) That is irrelevant in the context, and would be considered name dropping. I said "here's where I name drop" to be ironic, because I in fact NEVER did that.

How can I sound like a fanboy if I'm promoting a show I have personal interest in ? I'M INVOLVED WITH THE SHOW. Therefore, I can't be a fanboy. I also never said anything about reviewing the show, I think it's something people that are around the area should come see, but I wouldn't reiview it for a national site.

One more thing, when I typed "good friends with 2 of than bands", that's what we call a TYPO, like when you typed "and them proceeded". So would this be where I "insert editorial laugh here" ? Or should I chalk it up to mere mistake ? Maybe you should come back when you have a valid argument, instead of some bullshit you pulled out of your ass and can't back up. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, I didn't realize you were so sensitive. Next time I won't be so harsh on your pathetic ass.


DavidChicago (January 7, 2004)

Let's get straight to your last remark, and skip the crap. I wouldn't want to confuse you.
You are being a fanboy, namedropping, and hypocritical because you, in fact, did all of those things.
First, namedropping: "here's where I 'name drop'" Can you read? You said it, and them proceeded to name drop, "Density and The Lost Cause." Those are bands, I'm assuming.
Second, "fanboyish" (great use of your words, by the way): An easy correlation can be made between the fact that you just dropped names of bands and promoted a show that you are working on; thus, you're being a fanboy. Also, just because (and I'm assuming that you meant this based solely on your incredible wizardry of the English language) you're "good friends with 2 of than bands" (insert editorial laugh here) doesn't mean that what you say can't come off sounding "fanboyish."
Lastly, hypocritical: Density and The Lost Cause wouldn't be...local to their area, would they? Now, I have nothing to say about the bands, I've heard their music and cannot make a judgment call based upon such limited information, but weren't you all about banning reviews of local band shows? The same reviews that attempt to help, sometimes, smaller bands become more none and to promote them?
Wow. You're a complete dumbass.
I don't care if you promote a show on here, local or otherwise. My problem was the fact that you annoyed me. You didn't hurt my feelings either. In fact, you've made me feel better. Thanks. Bye.
Oh, I almost forgot, stop picking fights on websites and get a life. There are far nobler causes in the world.

Anonymous (January 6, 2004)

I personally know Ryan's Hope and I can honestly say, that I believe they could give a rat's fucking ass about being a local band, or any other local bands. The local scene for them is just a crutch. Until they get picked up by some label. Everyone should stop kissing their ass, and start picking a knew local band to start kissing ass to. Oh yeah and playing like 4 shows on the Warped tour, does not mean that your not a local band or anything anymore special then any other band from their area. What Im saying is their is a FUCKLOAD of bands around Chicago that have alot more to say then Ryan's Hope!!

Anonymous (January 6, 2004)

Ok, so it makes me fanboyish to say that people need to come out to a show ? How so ? Please explain that to me. For me, I'm just trying to get in a plug for a show I have personal interest in. It's not really fanboyish considering I'm good friends with 2 of than bands and will be setting up equipment and am responsible for passing out flyers.

As for the hypocrisy you said that I had shown, you obviously didn't pay enough attention. If I had been "namedropping", I would have ACTUALLY NAME DROPPED. As it was, I was telling people about a show. How would it sound if I said "there are bands playing." Who's playing ? What's that ? You NEED to tell who the bands are when listing them for a show ? Who would have thought that ? Did I hurt your feelings jackass ? Next time come back with a valid point, instead of like a little hurt dog with his tail between his legs trying for that last scrap of food. People like you sicken me, you useless peice of shit.


DavidChicago (January 6, 2004)

to That Other Guy:
Your hypocrisy makes me laugh.
Example: "...so not to sound like I was namedropping..." followed later by, "here's where I 'name drop'..." You might not have done it before, but you‚??re doing a nice job of it now.
Example: "...don't sound so fanboyish next time..." followed later by telling everybody they need to get directions to this show with these bands. You sound a bit too excited about that show. Don't be a "fanboy."
Stop trying to sound like a wounded animal, you have "no passion for it." If you‚??re trying to find sympathy after insulting people and acting as if you have control over other people‚??s opinion, you‚??re probably not going to find it here.
I'm not sure that I really care which bands you like and which bands you don't. People get on this site and slam bands and raise others to the point of demigod status. It‚??s all kind of childish, but with your case you're arguing semantics and you sound silly.
I might add, lastly, that your points are moot; all you‚??re trying to do is piss people off and exude your control freak mentality.
Thanks for playing our game.

ThatotherGuy (January 5, 2004)

Fine, I give in, I refuse to argue for a point I simply have no passion for. I have a point, though it's not as valid as the guy who said that stuff about chocolate. He's right, it's not my business to regulate what is reviewed. But we should make a compromise, don't sound so fanboyish next time, ok ?

Also, to that chick, or guy, who told me to stop name dropping, and then that I was actually "sucking off my local scene", you kind of contradicted yourself. I simply talked about a limited amount of bands so not to sound like I was namedropping, and hell, I don't even like some of the bands that I listed. I just listed them because they are very prominent in the Houston scene.


PS- here's where I "name drop" - everyone needs to go to The Trademark's Website for directions to their December 10th show at the Glasshouse in Pasadena with Density and The Lost Cause.


greg0rb (January 5, 2004)

The thing that made Down in Front seem like Alkaline Trio to me was mainly the vocals. These guys were slightly less simple in guitar work than the trio, but when that dude went into his high vocal range, it was skiba all the way.

Anonymous (January 5, 2004)

I think that it all depends on the person who is listening to the music, and what grabs their heart the most, i don't really like reviews too much, because some people have been (well in my own opinion) wrong about some things. I for one really liked Down in Front alot, and didn't really hear too many "Alk-trio'ish" wanna-be styles, Ryans Hope also played a good set, and evil us's, i love their metalish riffs, but hey this is just me! (plus i came kind of late so i didnt see the other bands)

there is no one on this planet who can say "chocolate sucks, and if I don't like it, you wont like it either." thats why we were created differently.

Olie- Yesterdays Over With

Anonymous (January 4, 2004)

reviews of smaller shows let me know about bands i may have never heard of, but might enjoy.

so chill.

darkstarm (January 3, 2004)

Down In Front broke up... shame. I actually liked them more than most of the Pop-Punk crap that this city seems to produce.

Anonymous (January 3, 2004)

speaking of local IL bands, A Death in California is touring around the country right now,so if they stop at your town you should see them. good hardcore.

TheOneTrueBill (January 3, 2004)

I've seen down in front before. No. Me. Gusta.

Anonymous (January 3, 2004)

Most of the reviews I read are for bands I havent heard. I could care less what someone thinks of a band I like or dislike. I do like to found out what type of music and who a band is similar to in a review and both of these were done in the review, I dont know if the review is accurate because i havent and probably wont listened to these bands but my personal tastes have nothing to do with a review I read. Kudos to the reviewer.

sickboi (January 2, 2004)

They should change their name to "Ryan's Dope". That would be fucking sweet.

Anonymous (January 2, 2004)

Why the hell are people complaining about a local show review? Whenever Ryan's Hope gets huge and starts playing big tours and all you kids start wetting your panties whenever you see them, you won't be complaining. Every band was once a "local" band so quit getting your panties in a bunch over stupid things like this. If you don't want to read a "local" show review then skip over it, I am assuming you can find some review of some shitty band that all of you kids like.

-xChris Zx

maverick (January 2, 2004)

Can't we all just get along?


Anonymous (January 2, 2004)

Anonymous (January 2, 2004)

these comments are rather entertaining!

now, i have something to say. Adam, screaming=good.
i enjoyed myself at the show, i was in the front row squashed right next to the lovable Amy, pumping my fist, singing along, screaming during the guitar solos, and watching the sweat drip off the foreheads of each one of the guys as they poured their heart and soul into each riff, each solo, and each song. so go ahead, label me. Thatotherguy, you seem to be doing a good job at that.
Thatotherguy, please realize that the "local scene" in texas is different than the local scene in illinois. i dont understand why youre trying to prove your supior seniority to the "local scene." if you think that local bands shouldnt be reviewed on a national site, then dont read them. these sites exist, and there is nothing that you can do about it. why do u continue to waste your time ranting on punknews.org when you could, say, be out learning how to play guitar, etc. and then prove all of us wrong here in illinois. the last time i checked a band doesnt have to travel to texas, or louisiana, or colorado, in order to be liked and reviewed. if anything, you are the one sucking dick to your fucking "local bands" back in houston. how many times did you mention the same bands in previous comments??? a band has to start somewhere, and for Ryans Hope; Warped Tour, AP magazine, playing a gig at the famous Fireside Bowl, and internet reviews are an amazing start for publicity! if you dont agree, then go jack off to your own fucking bands, bc i've never obviously heard of any of them. your not proving your argument to anybody, so with that said, good review greg0rb, i thought it was very accurate.

Ryans Hope, just wait until you play a show in Houston, the day will come, and all of your fans will be there, pumping their fists to the music, and showing people how to fucking dance.


Anonymous (January 2, 2004)

yes bloodcurdling is good when it comes to screaming.

Anonymous (January 1, 2004)

good review. all of the people that said they'd never heard of ryan's hope.. well they have heard of them now.

is saying the screaming was bloodcurdling good?

Come to fireside bowl and review the show we're playing with Big D and the Kids Table on January 9th!

Adam (article 57)

ThatotherGuy (January 1, 2004)

Ok, let's clarify this some MORE !! I never said anything about the bands needing to be big, I never mentioned Finch, and I never tryed to oppress anyone's freedom of expression. I simply said that people need to realize that you shouldn't review a local band for a national site. This band has NEVER been to Texas. They've NEVER been to any part of Colorado that I frequent. They've NEVER been to Lousiana. I have nothing against local bands, I in fact love local music, but that's where it stops. Support them, go their shows, but don't basically suck their collective dicks on the internet. The review was very fanboyish, until I read that greg0rb was a friend of the band. Then it was downright ridiculous. I've seen Second Class, The Trademark, Density, B Team Starter, Dover Drive, The Yetis, Innermost Aggresion, Next to Nothing, Pride Kills, and countless other LOCAL bands in and around Houston, do you see me posting reviews of their shows ? No. If they opened, sure I would, but NOT A HEADLINING SHOW. And NEVER if I was a friend of the band. There need to be limits on everything, and if you don't understand that, you need to take a step back and look at life.


Anonymous (January 1, 2004)

The Evil Us's rock. Their style of music is quite unique, and i recomend that you check them out.

Anonymous (December 31, 2003)

opening bands never exceed your expectations for the headliner, learn how to do a better review jackass.

Anonymous (December 31, 2003)

let's all commit suicide at the same time all across the country...

DavidChicago (December 31, 2003)

Secondly, I wouldn't say that I was ranting as much as I was trying to explain that punk rock is about free expression and you're trying to construct a wall around someone's use of free expression. Greg wrote a review for a show regarding a band he really likes. Regardless as to whether or not they're going to get big or are big or are local. He wrote the review. That's punk rock, and it's helping punk rock. Not standing off to the side saying, "they're local, whatever." People do what they're going to do.

Anonymous (December 31, 2003)

so, THAT GUY, you know all the bands on the side review thing over there?

the reviews are filtered... if the people RUNNING this site didn't wnat this LOCAL review up... guess waht? THEY WOULDN'T FUCKING PUT IT UP.

so shut up.

DavidChicago (December 31, 2003)

To Thatother guy: I chose to use the language that I did on my post because that is how I speak, and I'm not really all that interested in impressing people as you seem so adamant in doing yourself. There are people who enjoy using words other than your colorful expletives.

Anonymous (December 31, 2003)

i didnt know you had to be on a major label to be punk rock. I can name tons of local bands with more heart than say..... a simple plan, or finch.. you probably think those are punk bands, its so sad how the lines have been blurred in this genre.. all the sub-genres you've created, and all the fashion has corrupted the essence of what punk rock used to be... listen as i rant...and i agree they wont be LOCAL for long, but they sure as hell will never sound like finch

greg0rb (December 31, 2003)

You're welcome.

Yeah, so I'll admit I'm friends with the band... I'm not in one of the bands. There's still no reason I can't try and help Ryan's Hope get some exposure, they deserve it (just look at Scott with Somerset). I'm friends with people in plenty of bands I don't care for... but these guys rule.

ThatotherGuy (December 31, 2003)


Who gives a flying fuck ? Leave it on a local site. Secret Agent 8 and Mark Needs a Chick have both played Warped Tour for a few dates, do you know either of them ? No. Maybe SA8... But chances are, you don't know them, and don't care. Same with me. I don't know Ryan's Hope, so I don't care.

Anonymous (December 31, 2003)

ryan's hope isn't just some local band. they played a few warped tour dates! just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean that other people don't want to read or see a review of their shows. it's because of reviews like this one and the write up that they had in AP magazine that get people to start paying attention. so thank you greg0rb.

ThatotherGuy (December 31, 2003)

Also, using big words doesn't make you seem smart. Did you write that with a thesaurus ? I understood every word, but honestly, do you speak like that in real life ? No. I don't even know you and I can say that. No one thinks you're any smarter.


ThatotherGuy (December 31, 2003)

To the guy directly below me:

What the fuck are you ranting about ?

Punk bands getting past stigmas, breaking down barriers, etc... I mean seriously, what the fuck ? I didn't say local bands should all become watered down clones and should stay local. In fact, none of what I said was even vaguely referenced to in your little rant. But in case your little fucking mind can't comprehend what I said, let me clear it up:


It's that simple. I've never heard of these bands. ANY of these bands. That may not mean anything to you, but that's like me posting about a show that contains the likes of The Trademark, Dover Drive, Density, The Quinns, Lost Cause, Next to Nothing(RIP), Even Fate, Los Skarnales, or someone else local. A show featuring Los Skarnales would pack Fitzgerald's, a 600 person venue, but chances are, you have NEVER HEARD OF THEM. I'm not knocking you for that, but they're a LOCAL BAND.


PS - Katie, don't a douche.

Anonymous (December 31, 2003)

For the gentleman who thinks this site shouldn't post reviews of local bands, it is my assumption that you feel embedded in "punk rock‚?Ě; that you are punk rock. That‚??s great. Creating limitations for bands aspiring to progress past their current state in any medium, this being websites, by saying there should be a rule against local shows being reviewed is anti-punk rock. Wasn‚??t the point of punk rock, at one time, to break down barriers and elevate many of the stigmas people had (eg. shock people out of their shells) and not to block or "hate" on bands doing what they do? That was always my take on things.
So, I would agree with the individual who told you to get off your ‚??high horse.‚?Ě
Lastly, regarding the show itself, I would say that, while extremely biased, I really enjoyed myself along with Greg0rb, pumping my fist like at a metal show and singing along to every word.

Anonymous (December 31, 2003)

I happened to be at this show and I think that this review was very accurate. I didn’t really care much for the other bands but the evil US’s played a good set and ryan’s hope kicked SOOOO much ass. I’m pretty sure that ryan’s hope isn’t going to be just an local band for long.
I give the review five stars!

Anonymous (December 31, 2003)

hey even sickboi's favorite band, new found glory was local once, so get off your high horse, you dont know shit

sickboi (December 31, 2003)

"Kid Presentable"

I swear to god, the next band I hear using a Simpson's reference is getting a pencil stabbed in their jugular's.

ThatotherGuy (December 31, 2003)

Never heard of any of these bands. Which is saying quite a bit. Maybe there should be a rule against local shows being reviewed ? Maybe I should write a review of the upcoming Trademark/Density/Quinns show at the Glass House. Wait. No, I WON'T, they're local.


Anonymous (December 30, 2003)

wow, this review was so written by the one of the kids in the band.

sickboi (December 30, 2003)

Lagwagon were metal?

Anonymous (December 30, 2003)

ones of people care about this show

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