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Rise Against/Against Me!/None More Black: live in Torontolive in Toronto (2004)
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It was a dark and stormy night. Now, I admit I use that opening purely for it's ironic value; it is, after all, considered one of the worst openings to a novel in modern memory. There is even an award for it's use. But that is besides the point, because it was an unmistakably dark, and unmis.


It was a dark and stormy night.

Now, I admit I use that opening purely for it's ironic value; it is, after all, considered one of the worst openings to a novel in modern memory. There is even an award for it's use. But that is besides the point, because it was an unmistakably dark, and unmistakably (snow-) stormy night in Toronto, on January 22nd, as I awaited Adam's arrival from, well, some other part of Ontario that is probably not as important as the city that I claim as residence. Definitely.

In any case, the purpose of his visit was for us to check out the New Mexican Disaster Squad/None More Black/Against Me!/ Rise Against/Anti-Flag bill, and more specifically, for us to converse with the vocalist of Against Me!, one Tom Gabel. Of course, I've spoken to Tom at length in the past, both in a formal interview, and a far more fruitful conversation over drinks that would have made an incredible interview, had I only the foresight of running the fucking tape.

So, after many attempts to repeat that conversation, but to actually record it, we had planned to meet him. Of course, the "stormy" part of the night that I mentioned made it impossible. Adam spent considerably longer on the road then he had estimated, and arrived just in time for us to completely miss our interview window. So, resilient music fans that we are, we stuck around for the show.

We entered the main area in the Phoenix just as A-F Records' NMDS was taking the stage, standing at the back, we ran into Warren, drummer-extrordinaire of Against Me, whose quiet demeanor is completely betrayed by his incredibly energetic onstage performance with the band. But I digress, we were talking about New Mexican Disaster Squad. I wasn't too familiar with the band, but they played a fairly high energy set, sounding not entirely unlike a band we'd see later that night, Rise Against.

After their short, but not uninteresting set, None More Black took the stage. As they began to play, I remarked to Adam that in my review of their last record that I had claimed that the band seemed positively neutered on CD, and that I had much more to expect of their live performance. Suffice to say, I was proven quite right by the high energy performance Jason and Co. delivered that night. About twice as fast as on the CD, and without the many lulls, I am now convinced that the blame for the record rests either on the old drummer, or the producer, one of which must be responsible for putting the band to sleep on CD. Either way, it was a very gratifying experience to see that, no, the band didn't suck, just the recording.

Following None More Black's blistering performance was the band I had most wanted to see. Against Me! lit up the stage with their ricochet of three vocalists, intense drumming and just plain catchy and fun songs. I couldn't claim to have memorized the set list, but other than one song: "We Laugh At Danger" from Reinventing Axl Rose, they played a little bit of everything. Because a chunk of their material is only available on CD in acoustic format, it was like hearing new, but completely familiar songs when they played with the distortion turned way up. A thoroughly enjoyable set, and I would heartily recommend that you catch them next time they're in your town, or within an eight hour drive.

Next came the band I had assumed would be the headliner, Chicago's punk/hardcore powerhouse, Rise Against, who began the set with a slew of sound problems. Though opening explosively, Tim's mic seemed D.O.A. and I started to imagine we were in some sort of punk rock karaoke bar, seeing as the instruments were perfectly audible, but while I could see Tim screaming his head off, I certainly couldn't hear anything.

Old guy that I am, Rise Against's performance reminded me more of the hardcore shows I used to go to in my early teens then a performance at a large club. It almost seemed like the Phoenix wasn't big enough for them; the explosive energy was omnipresent, irrespective of the 50/50 chance you'd actually be able to hear Tim singing. I just hope their experience on Dreamworks doesn't kill them, because it would certainly be a loss.

To be honest, complete proof that I am out of touch with the "kids" became apparent as Tim announced that Anti-Flag would be up next; I don't mind Anti-Flag for the most part, and their last record was a welcome maturing of their sound, but I wouldn't claim myself as a fan, but reading the comments on this site would lead you to believe that everyone hates the band. Nothing could be further from the truth, as evidenced by the roar of the audience when their name was mentioned. Apparently, Anti-Flag fans occupy some sort of silent majority around here.

However, at this point, Adam and I decided to take our leave; personally, I've seen the band about eight times though I've never explicitly gone out to see them. Adam had to work in the morning, and I was tired so we left. Even though we only caught four of the five bands, and intentionally missed the headliners, I can say quite easily that this was one of the best bills I have been able to enjoy, and much credit goes to Fat for assembling such an incredible and diverse roster for the show.

 

 
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Anonymous (January 30, 2004)

Clearly you need to follow Saves the Day's advice and crucify this cruel witch.

STD = bad band nowadays, but still fine for advice as to what to do with ex-girlfriends

FortyMinutesWest (January 29, 2004)

rare, damnit.

FortyMinutesWest (January 29, 2004)

She made you miss Anti-Flag? Wow, this girl must really care about, that kind of love is rate.

Anonymous (January 29, 2004)

you're as cold as ice

Anonymous (January 28, 2004)

make the girl get you anti-flag tickets next time they are around...

then bleed her like a pig.

Anonymous (January 27, 2004)

This score is for the girl.

You need to take a lesson from Swimfan and drown her evil ass.

Put water in her lungs and end her meek life.

YES!!!

Anonymous (January 27, 2004)

"and the drummer guy reminds me of the announcer from conan o'brien. the lighting made his hair look grey, and he kept making the same kinda faces conan's announcer would make."

hAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA. New Years 02/03 consisted of him laying on a table as an asian male hooker was slowly lowered onto him, symbolising the countdown. Greatness.

-BSD

mikeinflames (January 27, 2004)

gAr!
She won't leave me alone!
She keeps on telling me that "this isn't over"
Holy fucking Swimfan
Last night we were fighting on the phone and she yelled "because you love me" I started laughing my ass off
Then I told her to watch Swimfan and buy me tickets to see Anti-Flag next time they come through town

dignin (January 27, 2004)

to the guy that said he felt old going to shows at 20, maybe you should avoid pseudo-dumbed down political punk shows.

Anonymous (January 27, 2004)

The Anti-flag/NMB/Larry Arms/Against Me! tour was easily one of the best lineups of 2003

Anonymous (January 27, 2004)

by the end of anti-flag's set in boston tonight, i realized that he reminds me of peewee herman with a mohawk. and the drummer guy reminds me of the announcer from conan o'brien. the lighting made his hair look grey, and he kept making the same kinda faces conan's announcer would make.

-duped

Anonymous (January 27, 2004)

This score is for butchering ex-girlfriends and getting away with it.

YES.

Anonymous (January 27, 2004)

anti-flag is a really good band they're
r really talented & know what they're talking about. they're live show pretty good, aswell am!, but rise against cutting out most songs from the unravaling does their set no justice.

Anonymous (January 26, 2004)

cut her life into pieces. no one makes me miss anti-flag. suffocation. no breathing. don't give a fuck if she stains the sheets bleeding. this is my last resort.

--funny as hell

and all these bands ram good charlotte in the ass hard!!!

score is for the washing machine line/joke thinger...gave me a good laugh

Anonymous (January 26, 2004)

yeah i realized that afterwards, sorry for the mix up. However nthat girl should still be killed!

-Ryan
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/1/blacktiebombe rsmusic.htm

Anonymous (January 26, 2004)

look down a few posts. the cutting up part had nothing to do with black tie and everything to do with the guy whose girlfriend made him leave the show before anti-flag.

bitches get stitches!!!

Anonymous (January 26, 2004)

it has plenty of place here, how about I don't go away?

ilikebandssuchasopivy (January 26, 2004)

"what ex girlfriend? Out of the black tie bombers one is single and has been for a long time, and the other two of us are in relationships.. however i'm all for anything that involves putting a woman into something that'll cut her up!"

No one was talking about you, and that weird cutting up comment has no place here. Go away.

cactussac (January 26, 2004)

remember when anti-flag wasn't a spoken word band? =|

noreply (January 26, 2004)

i think the question at hand should be, why infact are those anarcho-punks so mysterious?

Anonymous (January 26, 2004)

Fuck these bands they hump dead gorillas, GOOD CHARLOTTE KICKS FUCKING ASS!!!

Anonymous (January 26, 2004)

what ex girlfriend? Out of the black tie bombers one is single and has been for a long time, and the other two of us are in relationships.. however i'm all for anything that involves putting a woman into something that'll cut her up! and yeah we could use a better website and a better hometown.. anyone wanna make us one? Well not a hometown.. unless someone could somehow make us a hometown.. anyways listen to us if you'd like.. maybe you'll even like it!

www.geocities.com/blacktiebombers
http://www.soundclick.c om/bands/1/blacktiebombersmusic.htm

Anonymous (January 26, 2004)

hey who set this on head games?!

-duped
(come on, someone please get it)

Anonymous (January 26, 2004)

cut her life into pieces. no one makes me miss anti-flag. suffocation. no breathing. don't give a fuck if she stains the sheets bleeding. this is my last resort.

Anonymous (January 26, 2004)

sorry for the black tie bombers. they could use a better website and a better hometown.

that guy should have put his slutty ex-girlfriend in the washing machine with the anti-flag tshirts.

put her in.... IN PIECES!!!

this score goes to the thought of chopped up girl in a washing machine.

Anonymous (January 26, 2004)

if you enjoy good political punk

www.geocities.com/blacktiebombers

Anonymous (January 26, 2004)

poop

Anonymous (January 26, 2004)

no antiflag means you die!!!

(die = get dumped)

KingOfRain (January 25, 2004)

Washing machines comment gave me a good chuckle, score 10 for that guy.

Anonymous (January 25, 2004)

20 year old is not old for a punk fan...try pushing 30! As for Anti-Flag, better live than recorded!!!

Anonymous (January 25, 2004)

Hey dude I posted the comment on Montreal a little further down...and I am 20 as well, and I have to agree with you I am beginning to feel quite old...either that or the average show go-ers age has dropped lol...is it just me or is the average age like 15 years old in just about every show nowadays? Sure everyones gotta start somewhere though so I don't blame them I was fifteen once too.

Anonymous (January 25, 2004)

yeah the montreal show was incredibly great.

thanks to warren, there was plenty of nakedness, and just disgusting amounts of energy in the bands and crowd.

am i the only one who is feeling really old/big at these shows? i'm only 20, and 160 lbs when soaking wet, but i was one of the biggest people in the pit... not that i dont enjoy pushing little 8th graders around

washing machines comment is pure gold

Anonymous (January 25, 2004)

No antiflag?!?!?!?

Send that nappy-ass-ho packing!!!!

This score is for dumping the beast.

Anonymous (January 25, 2004)

Sick of her mind games? Mind games, like, "hey let's leave before the headlining band?" She a trick-ass dumptruck.

I don't even like Anti-Flag that much, but it seems like you did the right thing. You pay your ticket for the show and you should be able to see all of the bands on the bill, if you want.

mikeinflames (January 25, 2004)

"Yes, my friend... tell the story.

Did you dump her skanky ass because she made you miss Anti-Flag?"

I just talked to her I and I told her that and she flipped
Then I started to laugh
BWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Anonymous (January 25, 2004)

"Washing machines are the tools of the establishment, only the Anti-Flag shirts had to courage to fight the system!"

This score is for the comment. Fucking genius.

mikeinflames (January 25, 2004)

Naw ... I was just sick of her mind games

Anonymous (January 25, 2004)

Yes, my friend... tell the story.

Did you dump her skanky ass because she made you miss Anti-Flag?

ilikebandssuchasopivy (January 24, 2004)

Tell the story...

mikeinflames (January 24, 2004)

"to the guy below me:
why the hell did you go the the show with your ex if you don't even like her?"
She wasn't my ex at the time ... we just broke up last night

Anonymous (January 24, 2004)

Watch for Bigwig on either Fat, Sideone, or Jade Tree. Not Epitaph. Epitaph is treading its mortal coil.

Now, we all know that the DVD on the Kid Dynamite album was a "preview" or a "teaser." But we know that now. I bought it the day it came out thinking it would be more substantial than the 8 minute little fart that it was.

All I am saying is that while I love KD, that cd was pretty much a big waste of money. The music was stuff we had all heard before and people should have just waited for whenever Jade Tree releases the "real" dvd.

I am suspicious of labels releasing things that don't need to be released.

Anonymous (January 24, 2004)

The Montreal show last night was really awesome...so much stage diving too...hadn't seen that much energy in a while. Then Against Me! came on, played an amazing set and since it was the drummers birthday they all took their shirts off. Then a few chicks went up on stage and took their shirts off and two of them started kissing each other man that fuckin rocked. At the end of the set the drummer got completly naked and jumped into the crowd (It was his birthday)...All in all this was a really awesome show, all the bands were really great and cheers to Against Me! for the best set i've since in a long time.

Anonymous (January 24, 2004)

to the guy below me:
why the hell did you go the the show with your ex if you don't even like her?

mikeinflames (January 24, 2004)

It was a great show
Rise Against are by far one of the best live bands around today
I wish I would have stayed to see Anti-Flag though just for the hell of it
But slut ass ex-girlfriend was bitching that she wanted to leave
What a whore

Anonymous (January 24, 2004)

And watch for Bigwig on either Sideone or Epitaph.

-sickboi

Anonymous (January 24, 2004)

For the millionth time, the dvd with the cd was a "preview" or "teaser". Who knows when the actual dvd will be released, but fucking chirst, the press release for that album stated the dvd was a "preview", and there is even a function on the dvd menu that allows you to see a "preview" for the full length. God damn people are thick sometimes.

-sickboi

Anonymous (January 24, 2004)

The DVD that came with Kid Dynamite's "new" (old) album "Cheap Shots Youth Anthems" last fall was really falsely advertised. The cd was pretty weak and was just stuff most of us had probably already heard and the DVD was meaningless... now I rest, craving the full length DVD that may or may not be released any time soon. Does anyone know much about that?

Bigwig on Jade Tree by the end of 2004? We'll see.

None More Black are respectable, and I very much want to see them live.

Anonymous (January 24, 2004)

None More Black is a great great band. I continue to be impressed. I don't understand the criticism I hear.

Anonymous (January 23, 2004)

One folk influenced band doesn't constitute a "diverse" lineup.

Anonymous (January 23, 2004)

that musta been one fuckova show? Jay didn't look like he likes crowd interaction. I really liked their set regardless.

Barkley

Anonymous (January 23, 2004)

The DVD is supposed to only be a teaser, there is supposed to be a full length one coming, but god knows when.

All I know is that Jade Tree has my master tape from KD'S LAST SHOW (the reunion), and damn it, now that I have a DVD burner, I want it back.

-sickboi

Anonymous (January 23, 2004)

HEY

Somebody post a link to the NMB video for Dinner's For Suckers. I WANT TO SEE IT FUCK. That damn Kid Dynamite Dvd is too short! MORE! MORE! MORE!

Barkley"Ratio of People to Cake"Barkster

Anonymous (January 23, 2004)

Im to lazy to set up an accouint but this is Kyle and im from cambridge and i was at the toronto swow..

Ok against me and anti-flag are my fav punk bands so both them playing on the same night was a fuckking dream come true ..meeting the band member from against me in the cofee shop just down the road from the Phoneix ..then talking to chris 2 from anti-flag and meeting justin sane after the show couldnt ask for a better night

Anyone who sasy they suck dont know good music (sure some of their belfes are far fetched but who the fuck cares just sit back listen and enjoy)

Anonymous (January 23, 2004)

"Washing machines are the tools of the establishment, only the Anti-Flag shirts had to courage to fight the system!"

COTDA.

-sickboi
(acronyms are punk)

Anonymous (January 23, 2004)

"Washing machines are the tools of the establishment, only the Anti-Flag shirts had to courage to fight the system!"

i'm going to have to agree that that is the funniest shit i've read in some time. if only you could've worked in the overuse of the word fuck in a nasaly and whiny ass voice like justin does!! then it would have been the perfect post!

WingsOutside (January 23, 2004)

Anti-flag is neither that bad nor that good, but they do a lot more for punk then a shit load of other bands....

People only hate them most the time cuz it's the "punk" *rolls eyes* thing to do...

Anonymous (January 23, 2004)

"reading the comments on this site would lead you to believe that everyone hates the band. Nothing could be further from the truth, as evidenced by the roar of the audience when their name was mentioned. Apparently, Anti-Flag fans occupy some sort of silent majority around here"

any band that only rights songs about how much america sucks is going to be huge in canada, its no surprise

Anonymous (January 23, 2004)

i saw this show in Columbus, Ohio on the 16th.

my scores:
Much the Same - 6 - never heard of these guys before, they wern't bad
None More Black - 7 - much better live than on cd
Against Me! - 10 - the best live show i've seen in a while
Rise Against - 8 - so much energy
Anti-Flag - 7 - not a huge fan, but the crowd energy was crazy

Anonymous (January 23, 2004)

wow, somebody's, in, love, with, the, use, of, commas

8dollarclarinetsolo (January 23, 2004)

i definetely enjoyed this show, it had 4 bands i enjoy, which is a rarity

i dont really see the big different between none more black on cd and live, i think they both rule. i didnt pick this one up until after i saw them, maybe that affected it, but i definetely think they rocked/rock

against me stole the show for me. the way they responded to hecklers and in general just put on a fun show for everyone, as well as themselves, just made me gain total respect for them. i was on the fence about them before, maybe i should be cautious about saying this, but they are truly what punk is about nowadays, doing something different yet awesome, not conforming to the way its been done for so long..

rise against slightly dissapointed me, but they were still good. maybe they were just better the first time i saw them, or maybe against me just raised the bar for me, but i didnt really get the feeling i do from them, although i was still singing along and enjoying myself.

i enjoyed anti-flag from a chair in the balcony, and i honestly did enjoy them. i was a little bit iffy about them, but they put on a solid show for sure, and a great ending with warren from am coming out without any clothes. it may not seem like the thing to do, but it is so much easier to sit back and enjoy a show without having to feel cramped or itchy or tired standing in the crowd, i just kicked back and listened to some semi-solid semi-punk rock music

all in all it was a very good show, the best in a while. i would like to see any of the 3 middle bands again, and anti-flag if they are with another good band or two

Anonymous (January 23, 2004)

I saw the Ottawa date of this tour. None More Black has the stage presence of a timid Modest Mouse. I loved the record (FUCKING LOVED IT) and I love Kd but Jason didn't say a word for the entire show other than a few meaningless mutterings and a timid farewell that went along the lines of "gnite we're None More Black thanks" amid the humming of the amps. I sang along to every word nonetheless. Against Me=good band. Amazing energy. They fucking sound like well-oiled freightrain. Rise against didn't really do it for me, I didn't know McIlrath played guitar? I still think that signing to Dreamworks is a good move for them. The way the industry is looking now, you better have a sound financial plan together or your buttoms up...lookout Movielife, FsF, and everyother pop punk band not on a major go belly up this year. Whats up Suburban Home Records? If I wasn't a starving law student I would give you my time and money. Finally Rise Against being on Dreamworks means, your getting their next record for $9 dollars @ your local record store, and they are going to be able to clothe and feed their families.

Barkley

Anonymous (January 23, 2004)

"Washing machines are the tools of the establishment, only the Anti-Flag shirts had to courage to fight the system!"

Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha thats the best thing I've heard in the past few days!

-c22

Hubitcherkokov (January 23, 2004)

If anyone sounds neutered on album, its Against Me!, not None More Black. None More Black sound essentially the same on album as they do live, except for maybe a faster tempo that is usually present in a punk rock band's live show. Against Me! is great live, but on album, although I like them, they just don't impress me as much.

Anonymous (January 23, 2004)

this tour comes to nyc next week and i really want to go to see rise against and against me!, but am having trouble finding anyone that can go... damn

Anonymous (January 23, 2004)

Next Saturday this tour will grace Pittsburgh and I for one can't wait!

I'm trying to get ahold of the Mr. Small's Theatre to see if it's ok for me to bring my DV Cam with moi. If I am allowed to record the night's events then Punknews.org and PittPunk.com will have that footage exclusively for themselves to do what they wish.

- Kirby

Anonymous (January 23, 2004)

"Washing machines are the tools of the establishment, only the Anti-Flag shirts had to courage to fight the system!"

ahahahahahahahahahahah

MrOhio (January 23, 2004)

Ahh...I'm a proud Anti-Flag fan! I did my hating in the past, but then I sat down and listened to "Die for Your Government" and realized..."Wow, these guys are pretty frickin good".

I really wanna see this show in Pittsburgh, the closer, but...I have no ride. *emo tears*

Anonymous (January 23, 2004)

We saw this tour on vacation in Florida. Rise Against is one of, if not the best, shows I've seen. There was a circle pit, a mosh pit and everything, which is something I rarely see in Ohio.

Anonymous (January 23, 2004)

im going to see this bill in new york in a couple of days. cant wait.

-alex

Anonymous (January 23, 2004)

They played in Ottawa on the 22nd.

ilikebandssuchasopivy (January 23, 2004)

I was at this show, and left before anti flag too. Fucking great night though, the girl I was with got the setlist for Rise, the one they wrote out and put on their amp. I was standing, more like leaning right on the speaker Tim was singing on, second row for the whole show. Plus I got a water bottle from the boys in Against Me!

FortyMinutesWest (January 23, 2004)

Washing machines are the tools of the establishment, only the Anti-Flag shirts had to courage to fight the system!

Anonymous (January 23, 2004)

why the hell does everyone hate anti-flag so much? why must you hate on anti-flag they are ok ive seen em live twice and they fuckin rocked in fact the only two shirts i own anymore are from those shows the rest all kinda dissapeared somhow fuckin washing machine!!!

Anonymous (January 23, 2004)

Against Me! owns live, as does Rise Against. I missed None More Black on this tour, and I still hate myself for it. Dutch oven.

- Fatty Arbuckle

inagreendase (January 23, 2004)

Aubin always puts together swell reviews. I can't wait to catch this shindig Monday.

notaclevername (January 23, 2004)

AM! is friggin' great live; i think they should play more stuff from Crime and The Disco..., though
i've missed seeing NMDS live twice, and i don't want that to happen again

adam (January 23, 2004)

I'd like to give a shout out to all the fine folks stuck on the 401 for hours with me. It was an experience we'll all fondly remember for years to come.

"Grandpa, tell us that story again about how you were stuck on the highway in that snowstorm and your washer fluid ran out"

-adam

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