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Anti-Flag / Rise Against / Against Me!

Anti-Flag / Rise Against / Against Me!: live in Bostonlive in Boston (2004)
Fat Wreck Chords

Reviewer Rating: 4


Contributed by: InaGreendaseBrian
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It should've taken an hour to get from downtown Providence to the Avalon in Boston. But no one told me and my buddy that you're supposed to follow the opposite direction of every sign pointing to Fenway Park. Thanks to our driving time getting doubled, I completely missed New Mexican Disaster S.


It should've taken an hour to get from downtown Providence to the Avalon in Boston. But no one told me and my buddy that you're supposed to follow the opposite direction of every sign pointing to Fenway Park.

Thanks to our driving time getting doubled, I completely missed New Mexican Disaster Squad's set (sorry guys), and what I'm sure was the first half of None More Black's set, according to one source in the crowd anyway.

After making a quick transaction for NMDS's self-titled full-length, I rushed into the room in the middle of "Banned from Teen Arts," which sounded great. I moved up after the next song and watched Jason and Co. play hard, fast, and bounding with energy. Most people's "abstract complaint" about the full-length was washed away. As the set finished, I confirmed with someone about them playing "Dinner's for Suckers" and "Everyday Balloons" during my absence, and then proceded to stab myself in the eye.

So with half my vision gone, Against Me! took the stage. It seemed like maybe they had similar vision distortion too - but in their case, as a result of alcohol consumption. Besides encouraging the crowd to flip them off, throw shit at them, and to seriously rethink one person's request to "suck a dick," the band also asked us to substitute a dancing / ass-shakingly good time for the moshing, pushing-each-other-around thing; and shake the crowd did. Even the grey-haired crowd control guy was getting into it. With quite the following, it turned out to be an incredibly anthemic set, a practical barroom singalong every song, but most notably "Cliche Guevara." The way they broke down one particular song was the most intense thing I've seen in memory next to Murder by Death.

After Rise Against finished setting up, the house lights went black. They walked back onto the stage, picked up their instruments and went right into "Black Masks & Gasoline," with Tim flying all over the stage. This song, one other, and "1000 Good Intentions" were all executed nicely, but it seemed like the band wasn't completely together yet. Plus, Aubin's review came to mind when I realized that Tim's vocals weren't completely audible. Once he picked up his guitar though, everything started to meld together. There was very little in-between banter, if any at all. An even more aggressive overtone gave songs like "Dead Ringer," "Heaven Knows," "Halfway There," "Broken Sense," "Like the Angel," "Voices Off Camera," "Amber Changing," "Six Ways 'Til Sunday," and "Faint Resemblance" an even stronger gloss. A new song they played but didn't mention the title of -- presumably off their upcoming Dreamworks debut -- had verses definitely reminiscent of The Unraveling, but a "whoaaaaa-oo-whoa"-laden chorus that reminded me of Strike Anywhere; and I'm never one to make that comparison between the two. I was surprised not to hear "Alive and Well," but all in all, a fluent set.

Now, say what you will about Anti-Flag, but they put together solid tour packages (see here, here, here, here, or here). They also put on a great show, playing tight, hard, fast, passionate, dedicated, [adverb]. Mocking police sirens blared through the air against a black stage, and aural quotes from both the left and the right (wings) filled the speakers. A-F took the stage and perpetrated the middle finger salute with the relatively mindless but fun "Fuck Police Brutality." Its follower, "Tearing Down the Borders," sounded as caustic as ever. The band paid homage by giving props to Woody Guthrie as one of their big influences before playing his "Post-War Breakout" for a good mood change-up. Delving right into "Angry, Young, & Poor" right after picked up the pace nicely. After all these years, it's obvious Justin still gets a kick out seeing people sing along and throw their fists. They also encouraged anyone who was of age to register to vote, but seemed to isolate this point from their Bush bashing, maybe to help get across a more important message, at that moment anyway, of just plain making a difference than biased action. Their message of peace also does get acrosss, too; after a slight altercation between two kids at one point, they took it upon themselves after the song to shake hands and apologize. A rousing encore of "Turncoat" and "Die for the Government" finished the night.

Set list (from the paper & accurate):
Fuck Police
Tearing
Got the Numbers
Stars & Stripes
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Post War
Angry, Young
Inri Sux
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Death of a Nation
Underground
Mind the GATT
Machine
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Rank & File
911
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ENCORE:
Turncoat
Die For The Government

 

 
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Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

did you know that anti-flag... http://www.peta2.com/ot/o-antiflag.html

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Anonymous (February 10, 2004)

man isnt punk supposed to be about unity and acceptance i like anti-flag they were the fisrt punk band i ever saw live i will always like them and it just makes me sad that so many people who claim to be true punks will hate me cause i like them man fuck the politics for a minute these are my memories somthing i hold dear my first fuckin show and no i do not shop at hot topic and yes i do listen to crass and no i dont have a mohawk but i do wear an anti flag shirt somtimes why? you ask cause i bought it at the first show i ever went to and it even has a nifty hole in it where my dumbass friends thought it would be funny to set me on fire when i wasnt looking well anyway just sayin i respect everybodys opinion but fuck you if wanna diss me cause i like anti flag you assholes arent punks

Anonymous (February 9, 2004)

Of course. And my point is that Anti-Flag and Rise Against are nothing new.

-BSD

Anonymous (February 8, 2004)

I love the Clash and the Ramones as much as the next guy, but the fact of the matter is you can't listen to them forever. One day you're gonna have to start listening to new music and not just the same 20 albums over and over again. While I am aware you probably have quite a few more albums than that, I think you can possibly get my point. Try opening yourself up to new things. It won't hurt.

...evildeadalive

Anonymous (February 8, 2004)

I'm glad I have some Ramones stuff and I'm glad that they existed. When I was 16, I thought they rocked so hard. But I sure as shit don't put their cds in my stereo nearly as often as "new bands."

Anonymous (February 8, 2004)

Than the Ramones' first few albums you mean? They weren't always straight punk in the studio... Which is why you obviously haven't heard later stuff like "Pleasant Dreams".

-BSD

Anonymous (February 8, 2004)

"It makes the Ramones the band that so many of them stole the whole "3 distorted powerchords" thing from."

Yeah but they took the 3 distorted powerchords and evolved into something a lot more interesting than the Ramones

dignin (February 8, 2004)

"It makes the Ramones the band that so many of them stole the whole "3 distorted powerchords" thing from."

The 16 year old totally just handed your ass to you.

Anonymous (February 8, 2004)

It makes the Ramones the band that so many of them stole the whole "3 distorted powerchords" thing from.

-BSD

Anonymous (February 8, 2004)

hmmm boring? yup

Anonymous (February 7, 2004)

BSD,
If these bands are so "boring" what does that make the Ramones?.

Anonymous (February 7, 2004)

"Why were you so mean to the athletic boy and his girlfriend?"

He started it and I'm not getting into it.

-BSD

Anonymous (February 7, 2004)

why dont you people talk about the bands instead of arguing like dumbfucks? this shit gets really old really fast.

Anonymous (February 7, 2004)

BSD,
I'm not your age, but clearly you are pretty darn fat. Maybe not physically. Maybe you are a scrawny vegan. But in the ontological sense, you are a fat fuck.

I can think of a number of different instances where I will choose to listen to a "modern" band over The Clash and it doesn't have to do with thinking The Clash wasn't a more influential band, etc.

I am glad that you like to read. I wonder what kinds of books. I also wonder why you try to separate the serious and thoughtful (intellectual) from you and your "I like to read" business. Are you afraid of your image being tainted? Why is it necessary to make the distinctions that you are making?

You don't play sports because you are fat and are too busy fighting ignorance and suffering.

The whole "you remind me of ___" without actual comparison is a relatively poor attack.

Why were you so mean to the athletic boy and his girlfriend?

Anonymous (February 7, 2004)

you kind of missed the point there buddy. oh well.

4131

Anonymous (February 7, 2004)

"I don't like Thrice that much but I think it's safe to say that on any given day the Thrice guy is about 10 times better at guitar than Mick Jones."

Ignorance is bliss, eh?

-BSD

Anonymous (February 7, 2004)

The new Rise Against song is called Give it All, and its on the Rock Against Bush compilation due to come out in march/april some time.

Due to popular request, instead of doing their closer which they had done all tour, our chant for "Alive and Well" went noticed. They played that instead after discussing it between themselves and said it was our fault if they fucked it up. It was flawless however, and an end to a good set. These guys never disappoint.

Anonymous (February 7, 2004)

"Nothing against you but the Ramones and The Clash both suck and I would take Anti-Flag over them anyday."

This was in my opinion. I was saying that I don't enjoy the music of primitive punk bands as much as the bands nowadays. I don't hate either band. I guess I overreacted after reading all of this bullshit mouthed off by BSD. SO THERE

Anonymous (February 7, 2004)

"No, you're just fucking ignorant. Anyone who thinks that A-F or Thrice put together are more talented than one Mick Jones is an idiot."

I don't like Thrice that much but I think it's safe to say that on any given day the Thrice guy is about 10 times better at guitar than Mick Jones.

Anonymous (February 6, 2004)

Is it the cunt who's my age who is attempting to hit a soft spot with the fat jokes? Well, that's pretty funny, as I'm remarkably skinny due to being vegan, but whatever floats your boat. I'm not fazed, though...

Any credibility you had was lost with "the Ramones and Clash suck, A-F is better"...

And this "you can't read good books unless you're an intelectual" tripe... Fuck you, I like to read, I'm just not an artsy, pretentious fuck.

Or sports... I don't play sports because I find them backwards and boring...

You remind me of this hardcore jock who threatened to "end" me with his "athletic pals" because I compared his girlfriend to the pig muppet.

-BSD

Anonymous (February 6, 2004)

Whoa BSD,
First you berate the "intellectuals" and their "fancy educations" and then you go and proudly tell us that you read literature. Ha. I bet it's really good literature, too, you fucking twit. There isn't much to do when it's all snowy out? Drink more hot cocoa. Of course, you don't play sports. You're fat. And then you say "where there is ignorance, I will be angry." Wow. Are you a freedom fighter now? What happened to the anti-serious claims? Go eat a waffle. Again.

dignin (February 6, 2004)

I'll agree with BSD that both AF and thrice suck.

Anonymous (February 6, 2004)

1) I already read quite a bit. Not "punk" related stuff, either. Actual literature.

2) Not much to do outside when the snow is a foot deep and the city won't go that extra stretch and clear the fucking roads. I don't play sports, either.

3) Where there is ignorance, I will be angry.

Thanks,
-BSD

Anonymous (February 6, 2004)

Well, then you and I have found something to agree on, thrice's new MTV audience sucks. That's not saying that Thrice themselves suck (although you could argue that for all I care). Just calm down and realize that someday you will grow out of this phase of "pissed off, nobody has any taste, I know all" thinking and you'll just accept the people who like the bands that you don't and move on. Life is too short my friend for you to sit here on this message board ranting and raving about every single review. Go read a book instead of spending ungodly amounts of time on your computer. If you already read, read some more man. In ten years you are still this bitter at everything different than what you like I'd be surprised, I'd also pity you. Just take a day off or something, go outdoors, skateboard or play basketball or whatever it may be that you find fun. You will grow up.

4131

SickBRAAAAH (February 6, 2004)

will you all shut the fuck up? god, there are more important things to argue about, for fucks sake

Anonymous (February 6, 2004)

Hhahahahaha, yeah kid, you heard it. There are a few bands everyone knows suck, A-F is one of them. ThriceGod, you and the 16 year old who assumes I'm fat and wear ripped up jeans can suck my big meaty cock.

You guys can take your shit tastes in music and jump off the bridge with them. You say these stupid things, then when people who've listened to punk since before Thrice was even around correct you on your stupidity, you call them "brash elitists".

No, you're just fucking ignorant. Anyone who thinks that A-F or Thrice put together are more talented than one Mick Jones is an idiot.

And don't pull that "it's all about opinion, no one cares!" crap, because this is a musical review site. I take it the posting system was made so the readers could critique this shite, that's what I'm using it for.

And here's my musical opinion about Thrice and A-F: The majority of their new, MTV-acquired audience is a cock-suck ignorant, image-based crew.

Ya fucks.

-BSD

dignin (February 6, 2004)

anti flag does not equal good, but I do agree that classic does not equal good. BSD is defiantly stuck on that, he cant even admit something possibly is better than the Simpsons, cause its "classic"

Anonymous (February 6, 2004)

classic does not equal good.

-thriceequalsgod

Anonymous (February 6, 2004)

To the kid 2 below:

I was with you until this:

"Nothing against you but the Ramones and The Clash both suck and I would take Anti-Flag over them anyday."

You show just why so many people think that the youth are ignorant.

-sickboi

Anonymous (February 6, 2004)

"No shit, but most people my age are not going to see NMDS."

why would you pay to get in to only see the opening band. Doesn't make much sense to do that

Anonymous (February 6, 2004)

BSD,
I am also 16 and I enjoy all of these bands (some more than others). I would rather like these bands from my time than going around with a Clash or Ramones t-shirt and jeans with holes in the knees acting like you like these old bands. Does it make you cooler than someone else because you like these bands that have no talent and are from the 70s. Nothing against you but the Ramones and The Clash both suck and I would take Anti-Flag over them anyday

Anonymous (February 6, 2004)

Well BSD,
Maybe you should start taking it seriously. Doo-doo jokes only last for so long. I have never heard anything legitimate said that speaks to your little argument. Maybe it's time for you to grow up. Punk is serious. Your mentioning of education is somewhat ridiculous. People bragging about the education they can afford? Why don't you work out your issues elsewhere? Thanks.

P.S. I hope your girlfriend broke up with you because you're fat.

Anonymous (February 6, 2004)

who has ever said anything about education?

around where i live there are quite a few people in their 30's that are still coming out to shows...

you probably just don't realize this because you're just a kid. maybe one day when you turn 21 or whatever the age is in the part of hte world for restricted shows you will realize this.

aaaasdil;faosi;hg you are dumb.

Anonymous (February 6, 2004)

Restricting punk to a "serious" audience would defeat it's fucking purpose. That's what I meant. Not saying punk rock is for meatheads only, just noting that it wasn't made for you assholes who brag about the educations you were able to afford, either.

-BSD

Anonymous (February 5, 2004)

BSD wrote, "I didn't know punk rock was for serious intelectuals."

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!?

You bet your ass it is for serious intellectuals. Holy fucking shit, the audacity.

Don't say that you are "the youth." It is just too funny to bear. Makes me think that you are "the youth gone wild."

dignin (February 5, 2004)

well...I'm still going to kick your ass!

Anonymous (February 5, 2004)

true bsd true

Anonymous (February 5, 2004)

I'm not saying that... Just sayin' that if you think punk rock is not primarily a youth scene these days, you're blind... Most people in the bands you listen to are young... I'm sorry, but if you are annoyed so easily with kids, you're into the wrong music.

-BSD

Anonymous (February 5, 2004)

yeah, we all listen to it because it's music for idiots.

Anonymous (February 5, 2004)

Haha burn my un-punk b-boots and crucify me, for I am the youth.

I didn't know punk rock was for serious intelectuals.

-BSD

Anonymous (February 5, 2004)

BSD is 16! HA HA HA, after all the mindless bullshit you've spat off on this messageboard I figured you were either a)a dumb kid or b)a jaded asshole. Believe me, its better that you are just a dumb kid.

4131

Anonymous (February 5, 2004)

NMDS rip... they stole the show as far as i was concerned. now THAT is a punk band.

Since94 (February 5, 2004)

Kick his ass!!...or better yet ban his IP. This is a grownup site. (most of the time)

dignin (February 5, 2004)

If you are 16 BSD, I'm going to kick your ass.

Anonymous (February 5, 2004)

No shit, but most people my age are not going to see NMDS.

-BSD

Since94 (February 5, 2004)

BSD you're 16. I'd classify that as a "kid"

Since94 (February 5, 2004)

I've seen Rise Against 7 times now, and they are still as good as the first time I saw them.

Anonymous (February 5, 2004)

If I tried as hard as I could, I don't think I could put together a tour with shittier bands. I don't understand how people can listen to crap like Anti-Flag. I pray for the bankruptcy of Fat Wreck that will render most of those bands labeless and unable to get their shitty music put out anymore. If anyone here likes any of these bands, do yourself a favor, kill yourself. Thats the only thing that'll help.

Anonymous (February 5, 2004)

Boston is a wicked pissah. Bostonians are wicked retahhded. Hmmm I wonder what this concert was like?? Fuck the government. Wow, it felt like I was there! Hey I'm singing folk songs about rights for the working class! Bush sucks! Woohoo! Hey my album has a little girl holding a automatic rifle! Fuck the government that is punk! Bush sucks. This whole schtick is getting boring.
twat

Anonymous (February 4, 2004)

3 things....

1. None More Black is an excellent band.

2. Boston is great. Providence sucks. The road system in Boston, however, is not so great.

3. BSD should know by now that Anti-Flag shows only lead to break-ups and heartache.

Deep Peace

Anonymous (February 4, 2004)

Actually, I like the Disaster Squad. I'm talking about the part of this bill that the KIDS know about.

-BSD

Anonymous (February 4, 2004)

what's with the [adverb] bit?

anti-flag are good live, kinda boring after awhile on record
rise against have tons of energy and skill live, but they still bored me
against me are just a good time

Anonymous (February 4, 2004)

man i wish they did at least 1 or so here

notfeelingcreative (February 4, 2004)

There was a show here in Orlando where all NMDS played were Minor Threat covers,, that was a fun show!

Anonymous (February 4, 2004)

Sickboi,

They played the same covers here in PGH too.

This was one hell of a tour.

Too bad you didn't get half naked cowboys during Against Me!'s set though.

Or perhaps when everyone came out and duct taped None More Black.

Fun times...

...not to mention that AF home shows are pretty rad.

- Kirby

Anonymous (February 4, 2004)

Something that "unconcerned" left out of his mini-DC review...

During the set by NMDS, the bass player dislocated his knee. So instead of them just ending the set, the bassist for Rise Against came out and played 2 covers with them:

1. Bad Brains "Banned in DC"
2. Minor Threat "Minor Threat"

Both sounded hella good for being so spur-of-the-moment.

-sickboi

notfeelingcreative (February 3, 2004)

And I realize the post wasn't critical of them, I just meant in genral!

notfeelingcreative (February 3, 2004)

Leave NMDS alone they're all we've got here in orlando. Well, various ska bands.

dazed (February 3, 2004)

BSD -

No love for NMDS? You should listen to "1983" by them.

thriceequalsgod (February 3, 2004)

rise against is one of the best live shows ive seen. it was in a small club, on the fat wreck tour 2003. tim was screaming in my face while i was singing along to every (other) word. it was freaking awesome. anti flag puts on a good live show too, but im not the hugest fan of thier music. its okay i guess.. but nothing amazing or anything

fabulousdisaster (February 3, 2004)

I love Rise Against. They are, by far, the best band I've heard in a long time and damn... they're fucking amazing. Since they didn't come to where I live (Indiana) I was supposed to go to Ohio to see them but of course shit got in the way and I couldn't. What a disappointment. much love

Anonymous (February 3, 2004)

"They also put on a great show, playing tight, hard, fast, passionate, dedicated, [adverb]."

shouldn't that be [adjective]? also, isn't that my schtick, kind of? nevermind. sorry.

-sk8punxevr

Anonymous (February 3, 2004)

If by popular you mean boring as hell, I guess!

-BSD

Anonymous (February 3, 2004)

this tour was great..when i went anti-flag encored with fuck the flag and cleared the whole floor for a huge circle pit.

flummo (February 3, 2004)

Rise Against needs to start playing Everchanging every show.

dazed (February 3, 2004)

I'd go to this for NMDS and None More Black more than any of the closing bands, although Against Me! has an awesome live show.

thriceequalsgod (February 3, 2004)

too many popular bands, eh?

Anonymous (February 3, 2004)

I have to take my girlfriend to this shitfest. This score is for that.

-BSD

inagreendase (February 3, 2004)

That's a fragment, and should end "with an even stronger gloss."

That comma is inappropriate, Captain Grammar.

You know I was correcting my own mistakes, right?

Anonymous (February 3, 2004)

That's a really short set for a headliner.

Anonymous (February 3, 2004)

Woo Hoo !!
6TH!!

Anonymous (February 3, 2004)

to answer the guy who asked about anti-flag using the same set on the tour...I was at the grand rapids show and I think they played "watch the right" "culture revolution" and "post-war breakout" so we didn't get the same set

Anonymous (February 3, 2004)

That's a fragment, and should end "with an even stronger gloss."

That comma is inappropriate, Captain Grammar.

notfeelingcreative (February 3, 2004)

Did a-f use the same setlist for the entire tour?

inagreendase (February 3, 2004)

A) with Time flying all over the stage.

That should be Tim.

B) An even more aggressive overtone gave songs like "Dead Ringer," "Heaven Knows," "Halfway There," "Broken Sense," "Like the Angel," "Voices Off Camera," "Amber Changing," "Six Ways 'Til Sunday," and "Faint Resemblance."

That's a fragment, and should end with "an even stronger gloss." or something.

C) Although it's highly likely that A-F had planned on doing the encore they did, it didn't actually say the encore on the set list.

Anonymous (February 3, 2004)

All these bands kick ass... I wish I was there

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