The Get Up Kids - Guilt Show (Cover Artwork)

The Get Up Kids

The Get Up Kids: Guilt ShowGuilt Show (2004)
Vagrant Records

Reviewer Rating: 3.5
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Contributed by: maverickScott
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Consider this the "lost" Get Up Kids album, if you will. Somewhere in between the sugar high if Something To Write Home About and the alt-country leanings of the wholly underappreciated [and absolutely dynamite when performed live] On A Wire, the Get Up Kids apparently recorded Guilt Show. While t.
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Consider this the "lost" Get Up Kids album, if you will. Somewhere in between the sugar high if Something To Write Home About and the alt-country leanings of the wholly underappreciated [and absolutely dynamite when performed live] On A Wire, the Get Up Kids apparently recorded Guilt Show. While this really isn't true, the idea fits - the band took the best parts of what their fans loved and mixed it with the best parts of what they themselves loved, and they ended up with Guilt Show.

Because of this compromise, of sorts, the album suffers somewhat. The opening salvo of "Man Of Conviction," not even two minutes long, just feels a bit too rehearsed to really be as spontaneous as it sounds. It's like the band was saying "the kids want a pop punk song, we'll give them a pop punk song." I like the track, but I can't help but feel a little bit... guilty, ironically.

The band's more midtempo, melodic side comes out in the album's gems - "Wouldn't Believe It," "Martyr Me," and "The One You Want" are total pop-rock fun. On A Wire's influence creeps up on "Is There A Way Out," as the band gets quasi-experimental with electronics and jams the track out for quite a few minutes [more than neccessary].

The Kids let their classic rock influences shine through in album closer "Conversation." This piece of riff-rock sounds like Cheap Trick at their finest. It's not the best song the band's ever written, but it's a nice way to wrap up the disc. Sadly, it's not enough to erase the memory of the middle portion of the album, which is rather forgettable balladry and straightforward rock.

This album has been getting a lot of praise from fans and critics alike, due to the band going "back to their old sound." They really don't, though - they merely wrote enough old-sounding songs to please their core fanbase while still trying to expand their musical horizons to keep themselves happy in concert. The disc itself even sounds like it was recorded at the same time as Something To Write Home About; there's not nearly enough hidden surprises as there were in On A Wire.

With Four Minute Mile, the Get Up Kids pioneered a new wave of pop-emo. With Something To Write Home About, the band leapt to the front of the pack, with their hyperactive keyboard lines and singalong choruses. With On A Wire, the band's dodgy experimentation put them one step forward but two steps back. With Guilt Show, the Get Up Kids get stuck in a holding pattern. The songwriting slid, the singing is basic, and the exclusion of Jim Suptic's vocals make the album incredibly one-sided. That being said, it's still a fun album [what Get Up Kids disc isn't?], and is worth a listen or two.

Wouldn't Believe It
Martyr Me


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veryEmergency (November 4, 2009)

this album started as a boring shitfest and eventually grew on me over the last three or four years..

this is now one of my all-time favorite albums.

there's nothing disingenuous about it.

Budgetcity (October 26, 2004)

This is the first Get Up Kids i've heard and i don't like it. Too soft and poppy....i'll give it a few more listens. maybe my opinion will change.

Anonymous (June 25, 2004)

nearly too much of pop., but nice to listen it with my girlfriend *hehe*

Anonymous (March 9, 2004)

I'm devastated that 'Send us a Saint' was left off the album, because it kicks ass. You'd think they would've learned after'Campfire Kansas' (the best song off of On A Wire).

Anonymous (March 9, 2004)

You all may think this album is great and all, but once you see them play it live, you really start to understand how lackluster it really is. They had no passion for any of the new material and they played 'Is There a Way Out?' so they could take a break. I like these guys, but the only reason to go to their show is for Rocky and Recover.

P.S. Recover WILL tear you apart.

mikeinflames (March 7, 2004)

Is it just me or does it seem as though everyone and thier fucking mother love The Get Up Kids these days?

Anonymous (March 7, 2004)

I love this album, it blew me away from the first listen. I know Scott seems to like it when bands change and experiment, so of course he's not as crazy about this (since he's correct in describing it as a grab bag of what the band does best already). But if you like good melodies and the usual killer GUK lyrics ... BUY.

Anonymous (March 7, 2004)

absolutely amazing

greg6711 (March 6, 2004)

This is a place to critize music,

I know a lot of this criticism is biaed, or stupid, but there is a valid reason to like or dislike cds.

I posted my own criticisms of this.

It's good to hear both sides, but kid, your expecting people here to act humanely, and it's sad, but it isn't going to happen.

For the record, i REALLY want to see how pitchforkmedia.com bashes another Get Up Kids cd, I am sure they are writing the review right now.

relay1112 (March 6, 2004)

I bet that guy never talks in real life.

Anonymous (March 6, 2004)

get up kid in anger...wow I´m afraid you get up wanker

Anonymous (March 6, 2004)

This album was good but not great. At times it felt like it was dragging along...like as if the band was really feeling it but when the audience hears it theye almost feel tempted to just go to the next track. Still quality music though and I love it.
By the way. It fucking gets me absolutely pissed the fuck off when some jackass comes into this fucking review as if he accidentally stumbled into a Get up Kids forum and has been forced to share his negative fucking opinion about the band. If you hate the goddamn band so fucking much dickheads, why do you even give them the time of day on these fucking reviews. Jesus Christ help me, I get so FUCKING angry.

theevilmonkey (March 5, 2004)

An interesting thought- there are a lot of indie record stores. There is no need to try and mention them all. Please stop.

mikeinflames (March 5, 2004)

Your mother sucks for $18
But it's only $6 on tuesdays

Anonymous (March 5, 2004)

Dont know where you guys buy your cds but Get up Kids suck anyway dont care if they suck for 6 or 18 dollars

poopypants (March 5, 2004)

ok, FYI, the reason the album sounds like it was recorded at the same time as STWHA is because they share the same producer Ed Rose.
While the sound quality is different, the instrumental quality is totally different. The moving bass lines that were all over On A Wire are still found in Guilt Show. As are the more difficult lead guitar parts. Back in the STWHA days, the lead parts were often just octaves adding some color, this album continues to showcase actual musical talent by all members.

Personally, I think this is probably their most dynamic album, and I love it.

couldnt have said it better myself. to bad me and you are the only two dudes who think that. i think the musical landscapes on this album are far more dynamic than their previous stuff. its got a little of everything, not just moog everywhere and not as dark as on a wire. fuck everyone. fuck you. fuck me.

Anonymous (March 5, 2004)

ok, FYI, the reason the album sounds like it was recorded at the same time as STWHA is because they share the same producer Ed Rose.
While the sound quality is different, the instrumental quality is totally different. The moving bass lines that were all over On A Wire are still found in Guilt Show. As are the more difficult lead guitar parts. Back in the STWHA days, the lead parts were often just octaves adding some color, this album continues to showcase actual musical talent by all members.

Personally, I think this is probably their most dynamic album, and I love it.

Anonymous (March 5, 2004)

criminal records in atlanta has a pretty good selection but a little out of my price range.

i wish there was a newbury comics down in atlanta.

poopypants (March 5, 2004)

brave new world in pittsburgh is the shit. its located right in the middle of the pitt off campus housing area, they have all kinds of good shit and bands can play there on fridays, mine is next month beyatches

Anonymous (March 5, 2004)

Yawn. More like the Sit Down Kids.


inagreendase (March 5, 2004)

Newbury Comics has a really good used CD selection.

poopypants (March 5, 2004)

fucking capitalize each sentence. fuck you greg. i'll fucking school you bitch!

poopypants (March 5, 2004)

oh yea, and as for greg1234 or whatever, i feel using proper grammer is a waste of time. also, no label that is small wants to stay small like someone said. its fucking business, asian man is selling all they can. it doesnt make them bad people, but i'm sure they still have marketing plans etc. to stay afloat. they wouldnt be around if they were just breaking even. fuck diging in he has no pee pee.

poopypants (March 5, 2004)

i find asshat to be very insulting to my ass and my hat. as for dick, i think the song is very homophobic, like why are you calling me a male extremity, do you fear the penis? and anyone named richard is soooo demeaned when you use their nickname so derogetorily. you don't need to go by rick! stand up for yourselves.

ps. u r gay

Fuzzy (March 5, 2004)

There's some serious latent homophobia and gay bashing going on with mr. poopypants. In case you haven't heard, calling people "gay" in a derogatory fashion is slandering to those homosexuals who read this site. Please keep your rude comments to yourself, and stick to calling people "dicks" and "asshats".

Anonymous (March 5, 2004)

What a boring band.


dignin (March 5, 2004)

Vagrant and Drive Thru are both on the boycott-riaa.com boycott list, so I assume their less indie than No Idea and Deep Elm.

p.s. poopypants is a dipshit.

Anonymous (March 4, 2004)

Just because indie labels know how to market and stuff does not mean that they aren't indie, they just have a few tricks up their sleeve due to their size.

Minor Threat

Anonymous (March 4, 2004)

can someone tell me how to get to the secret link on this cd

Anonymous (March 4, 2004)

To Poopypants,

If Asianman or No Idea wanted to be bigger labels, they could easily raise prices on their cds, pay more for advertising and sign more mainstream bands. They are small because they want to stay small. I consider Fat Wreck an indie and they sell boatloads of cds.

Anonymous (March 4, 2004)

Vagrant (on their defunct message board) and Drive-thru both say something along the lines of "We are an indie label!" All I was saying was that if you are 49% owned by Interscope in the case of Vagrant or your are funded by Geffen in the case of Drive-thru, you're really not an independent label. Also, both of those labels play major label games, such as these price drops through major chain stores that everyone is very fond of among other stunts (ie. having the starting line rerecord their ep because DT thought it wouldn't sell well or vagrant racking up enormous costs on the Vagrant America tour for frivilous expenses). These labels take a loss on every $5.99 cd so they can get strong first week sales, make it onto the billboard 100 chart, and thus get added to radio playlists. This is smart business and makes music affordable for me so i'm not complaining at all. I just pointed out that these labels are not indie labels. Nothing more and nothing less. sorry for wasting your time.

Anonymous (March 4, 2004)

Maura Davis' pussy!!

Anonymous (March 4, 2004)

Greg, Carver used sentence fragments all the time. Relax. They're fine.

greg6711 (March 4, 2004)

Mr. pooppants, your serious nickname implies your serious comment.

I know The Flaming Lips are on a major, and I know plenty of "pretencious art fags" who love them.

There are other examples too.
White Stripes
Modest Mouse

more importantly
Errors on your response.

You need to capitalize the first letters of each sentence.

Also, the last fragment "so does no idea" is not a complete thought, please consider "No Idea is the same way"


You've Just Been Schooled!

Anonymous (March 4, 2004)

A few good songs makes it an improvement over their last album. It still isn't near as good as Something To Write Home About. I consider this album a disappointment just like their last one.

Anonymous (March 4, 2004)

Drive thru is owned by MCA...and since a few of the bands on vagrant have hit it big, the major label dollars go to them to help market their bands better(mostly by labels hoping to buy out vagrant and further exploit it.)...I know vagrant isnt owned by a major, but TVT and vagrant get some of the big funding for sure. Because major labels now see what the kids are going nuts over, and that is the whole emo explosion, and the big labels want in on all they can get their greedy hands on.

Buy indie, stay indie.....
Sean Lauter
Cardboard America.

Anonymous (March 4, 2004)

guk suck...they fuckin suck ass....lame shit lame shit

poopypants (March 4, 2004)

i guess in the end, if any of your bands have any success outside of a small circle of pretentious art fags, you are not an indy label anymore. you have to be like deep elm and make sure none of your bands are good enough to get big followings, cuz if they do, all the little art fags can't claim the label/bands as their own little secret.meanwhile deep elm would kill for the success drive thru has. its a fucking business. deep elm wants to make money to. so does no idea.

poopypants (March 4, 2004)

i think people are just gay kirby. also both labels distribute their cd's through a major. as far as i'm concerned thats just smart business. and i guess drive thru is a 'feeder' for the majors, like the minor legues and bands can get called up like NFG. that also just seems like good business.i see nothing wrong with it. so you give a major some cash to help you get your shit out. as far as i know, both labels still sign bands w/o any influence from the majors. i've also heard drive thru are dicks, ie. the whole midtown fight/losing dashboard to vagrant but whatever, i odn't see that has to do with what music they put out.

i-type-poorly (March 4, 2004)

The music is pretty straitforward, but nice. the best part of this cd is all the demos and be sides you get when you put it in your computer. Way to make a cd woth your $$!

kirbypuckett (March 4, 2004)

And for the record...Vagrant isn't an indie label. Neither is Drive-thru.

What exactly are they then?

I'm curious...

Neither of those two labels are taking over the world and signing the latest pop sensations (please don't include your lame comments about some of the bands the labels sign, because I've heard it a million times before).

They might not be 'as' Indie as No Idea or Polyvinyl, etc..., but those labels are still considered Indie. Atleast to my understanding.

...what do I care though? I just listen to the music.

- Kirby

poopypants (March 4, 2004)

yea gotta say the weakerthans are extremely overrated, along with that dudes old band, propaghandi.

mikeinflames (March 4, 2004)

to the guy who was "pressured" to by the Weakerthans album
you have your own free will so essentially you made the final decesion to purchase the album
you should have listened to it first
The Weakerthans are rubbish
I have wet farts that make better music than them

Anonymous (March 4, 2004)

This music is for polacks, wops, heebs, and spics!

Anonymous (March 4, 2004)

ok rich egan, have your street teamers post how cool everyone is that works for you. thatll get you so much cred.

Anonymous (March 4, 2004)

Your all wasting my time-oldpunker-

Anonymous (March 4, 2004)

$5.99 at best buy makes this the best cd ever. not really.

Anonymous (March 4, 2004)


And just to add fuel to the argument on music shops...

The best record shop (at least in NC) is School Kids in Chapel Hill, located on Franklin St. Cheap as Best Buy (if not cheaper), and a better selection than most of the most-lauded of indie holes. Anyone care to back me up?

Anonymous (March 4, 2004)

this weekend i sold a bunch of cds. i hate when the local record store guy stands there looking through them and then looking back at you like "what the fuck were you thinking when you bought this turd". i mean i know it's a fucking turd, that's why i'm selling the damn thing. wtf?!?! it's even worse when some of the turds you are selling are so bad that they won't even buy them from you. i mean just give me a buck store credit for billy idol's greatest hits and let me leave with my dignity somewhat in tact.

Anonymous (March 4, 2004)

Once this employee at HMV pressured me to buy the new Weakerthans and I did and I later found it to be mediocre to the point where I sold it the next week and bought myself a Denali shirt with the money I got back from the place where I sold it.

Anonymous (March 4, 2004)

don't like getting snickered at for asking about a Ben Folds CD at the counter. I knew the girl whose mom owned the store and she would always give me shit for going to Best Buy, and my response was, "if you want to be an indie store, Best Buy shouldn't have a better indie selection, and your employees shouldn't make smart ass remarks about what customers are buying." Good indie stores will always stay in business no matter what Walmart and Best Buy are doing. Smart business minds will always have a niche in the marketplace.

amazing comment. when you walk into some stores, they just look at you, trying to predict which kinds of music you are gonna buy. not a good atmosphere @ all.

Anonymous (March 4, 2004)

i don't get why everyone is bitching about buying cd's, when you can download them for free on the net. suckers!

as far as best by goes, when they have a good sale they have a good sale. i've gotten a ton of good shit there for under 10 bux with their new release sales. however if i'm looking for mojo nixon's first album on vinyl or any of pavement's back catalog, i'll go to my "local" store (which happens to be an hour ride from my house).

oh yeah, the new guk is 5.99 good. any more than that and you're being robbed.

Anonymous (March 4, 2004)

hah, I used to work at the downtown Toronto Tower.

- Matt./FCC

dazed (March 4, 2004)

Hmm, some indie stores are evidently better than others, we have a pretty good one here, the CDs are 4-8 used and 11-14 new with a somewhat random selection, but varied enough to find something cool (I think they use No Idea distro too). The chains sell CDs for 15-19 (Best Buy's a bit cheaper) and are a better place to look for something specific.

Oh yeah, the Get Up Kids. My friend was listening to a burned copy of this in her car on a drive a little while ago, and to my ears it was very happy pop music. One of the songs kind of reminded me of the SNES Kirby's Dream Land games. Score's for them.

hungryjoe (March 4, 2004)

You guys are all wrong. The best chain store is A&B Sound. I just wish they had them in Ontario. The Tower Records in downtown Toronto was pretty good when it was around too. Fuck HMV.

Anonymous (March 4, 2004)

yeah, t-rav is right. you should give into the culture and support indie stores regardless of the price because it's the "punk" thing to do. best buy must be evil because they are a corporation.
in case the sarcasm was too implicit, i was indeed being sarcastic.

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

Agreed with the guy below, No Idea mail order is top notch.


Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

Vagrant may not be very indie anymore but the people who work there are still cool as shit....so what if they wanted to make more money they still stay true to their roots...

t-rav (March 3, 2004)

And for the record...Vagrant isn't an indie label. Neither is Drive-thru.

t-rav (March 3, 2004)

It's attitudes and loyalties like that to big chain stores like best buy that keep them thriving...you need to learn to buy true independent music...independently.

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

this score is for best buy. selection, price, convenience, lack of pretention/elitism. even if i want an older cd, i'd rather order it from bestbuy.com because they don't charge for shipping and handling.
i go into indie stores frequently, but i almost never buy anything because it is overpriced if they actually have it. the exceptions are used albums. of course, not all indie stores are the same.

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

Sure dude, oneday you'll realize that sprawl is a very bad thing and once all the other electronic stores go out of business, Best Buy will have no reason to keep their prices low.

theevilmonkey (March 3, 2004)

Did I spell "Indie" wrong, or is it either way?

theevilmonkey (March 3, 2004)

Also working in Best Buy's favor:

1. Sweet color scheme. I love how they design the outside of their stores with the little triangle shaved alcove sticking out at the top that has the Best Buy logo on it- the blue and yellow is very nice.

2. Besides having a good selection with outstanding prices on new cds, (and a good selection of old ones, too) Best Buy also happens to be the best electronics store in the history of the world- they have great selection and low prices on anything.

I just want to point out these things because I couldn't care less if my local record store goes out of business as long as they put in a Best Buy somewhere within fifteen miles of me. You want your indie cds? Try the internet. It's a sweet thing.

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

Best Buy has older albums from bands like My Bloody Valentine, Modest Mouse, Belle and Sebastian and that sort all for like $15

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

To the guy below... Yea I'm pretty tired of Vagrant and Drive-thru acting like they are indies. Sure Vagrant is distributed by an indie but if you are part owned by Interscope and play major label games, then you ain't an indie. Not that I really care but it's definitely a misconception.

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

"Cursive and Bright Eyes are on Saddle Creek, just about the least indie of indies. "

Wow, that's just about the most thick-headed statement I've heard in this conversation. Saddle Creek is just as indie as Dischord or No Idea. You want the least indie label? Take a look at who put out this album.

sweetsugarpezz (March 3, 2004)

too bad online distro catalogues is where its at. and no-idea's mail order fucking rocks.

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

Best Buy is good for new releases. When it comes to old releases I would look at ebay and all that good stuff as BB seems to jack up the price to the $15.99 range. If it's not to be found on ebay, or the likes, then I would just go to the label's online site.

greg6711 (March 3, 2004)

Follow up question:

For older cds is Best Buy a better deal?

I usually order from Interpunk, Amazon, or just go to Tower Records..

The one time I went to buy an older cd was when I put Dropkick Murphys "The Gang's All Here" and it was 14.99

Would Best Buy be good for new releases, and the internet for older stuff?

I honestly need some feedback

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

I don't think Best Buy carries Deep Elm. I was just there today and they had basically a whole row dedicated to Beloved though, and that surprised me.

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

Not a bad review, I probably would have given it an 8 though. I personally, think On a Wire is a great cut from the get up kids. It really took a long time but I eventually learned to love it. I think it's safe to say that with this one, the GUK boys have finally found their formula. Good work.

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

I'm sorry Scott, but the songs from On a Wire were most certainly not better live. They were extremely boring. I remember when the GUK were actually a half decent live band. Ahhh... those were the days.


poopypants (March 3, 2004)

no mr. pretentious emo fuck. sorry i confused my labels. no fag is gonna play acoustic shows there and no store clerk is gonna jack off with you over your joan of arc collection. they do carry a hell of alot more indy stuff than you think and have better prices than indy stores, but you might wanna keep your art school ass at your indy store so you can continue to bolster your holier than thou ego and bloated sense of music awareness and pretention. deep elm has to be the worst sad bastard emo fag music i have ever heard. the end.

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

Cursive and Bright Eyes are on Saddle Creek, just about the least indie of indies.

What I'm saying is, could I buy Lifetime vinyls at Best Buy? Can the service clerk recite me the entire Joan-of-Arc discography? Does Blake Schwarzenbach perform acoustic shows in their Pop/R&B dpt.???

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

best buy carries a lot of indie stuff. if you can get a credit card somehow, buying online is good if best buy doesnt have it. here's food for thought, why would I want to support a cd store that charges me more, just so they can continue charging more. theres a few good indie shops where the prices are reasonable, but best buy just has great prices.


p.s. this record is still mediocre in my opinion. instead of doing something that all other bands try to emulate, they are now emulating the sounds of those very bands. i really think this is their worst album.

p.p.s. holy roman is still good

poopypants (March 3, 2004)

yes they do i got cursive and bright eyes there. i don't listen to much deep elm but i've gotten some serious underground shit there. its funny though, its hit or miss

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

Does Best Buy carry releases from Jade Tree and Deep Elm?

captaincrunch (March 3, 2004)

I went to my local indie store yesterday and the CD was 12.99. There is no way in hell I am spending twice as much as I can at Best Buy. Besides, anyone who knows anything about indie stores knows they make the most money off of used CD sales. If you really want to go support them, trade in some old CDs and buy some used ones.

I live in Dearborn, Michigan. A local chain, Desirable Discs, was one of my favorites a few years back. I stopped going there because of the lack of selection and pretentious employees. I don't like getting snickered at for asking about a Ben Folds CD at the counter. I knew the girl whose mom owned the store and she would always give me shit for going to Best Buy, and my response was, "if you want to be an indie store, Best Buy shouldn't have a better indie selection, and your employees shouldn't make smart ass remarks about what customers are buying." Good indie stores will always stay in business no matter what Walmart and Best Buy are doing. Smart business minds will always have a niche in the marketplace.

There are some great indie stores around me, Boogie Records in Toledo being my favorite. Ann Arbor has some great ones, Lansing and Bowling Green do, too.

This album is pretty good, the one thing that separates it from being a great album is the fact that it isn't memorable in any way.

theevilmonkey (March 3, 2004)

I myself live in a community with a bunch of rich as fuck kids and they're STILL going to go to Best Buy and save themselves fifteen bucks.

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

'Matt Pryor couldnt write a bad song if he tried'

I'm sure if he really put his mind to it he could

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

indy stores would sellout in a second.


(championship vinyl is the best)

poopypants (March 3, 2004)

"Wow, is everyone buying their cds at Best Buy now? This may sound cliche and petty but support your local record stores. They could use the business and support of the local scenes a lot more than Best Buy and Sam Goody. Just a thought..."

Ah yes the old argument. When it comes to supporting local indy stores, i do, but usually not new releases. i'm not gonna pay 2 to 3 times more for a cd just to support some dude running an indy store. its like hey man, props for being true to the scene and not being a big evil corporatoin, but i'm not retarded.

now if i'm buying something from a bands back cateloge, or maybe a cd thats been out for awile, i am willing to spend a few more bucks to support my local guy. but theres no way in hell i'm gonna pass up a 5.99 cd just to support the local dude, i'm not that rich. i know it sux for the indy stores cuz they can't compete, but thats the way it is. i work for a small software company (15 employees), instead of trying to compete with microsoft, we just have our own little market that we sell to (convention bureaus) and specialize in it, and we make money.

so your not being a dick if you buy the cheap new releases at best buy. smart indy stores know people are not that nice ot pay 16 bux for the guk, unless your some spoiled suburban kid who doesnt care where the money comes from or goes, but most people need to shop smart. so the indy stores specialize like my company does ie. vinly, box sets, back cateloge stuff, used cd's, local sections etc. thats where they make their money, and they knwo it. believe me , any indy store owner who thinks he's gonna compete with best buys' new release prices is a moron and won't be around long. the chains don't have the time to specialize, thats what indy stores are for. the end. so no more of this 'omg, you are so evil for not supporting local stores'. know your consumers. people are not going to spend more for the same product out of principal, unless they are rich as fuck or don't have a car payment, rent, utilities, college debt and other things that people in the real world have to deal with.

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)


theevilmonkey (March 3, 2004)

I guess you could also be considered an idiot if you say "your" instead of "you're"... I'm not too big on grammar

theevilmonkey (March 3, 2004)

Your an idiot if you paid 14.00 dollars more to keep your local record stores going. It's 5.99.

And look, no offense to those small little record stores, but... they aren't Best Buy.

Best Buy is much more than a corporation that will run local record stores out of business- it's also the most kick ass electronics store ever and it has great prices. As long as they carry my music (and they do, then I'm happy.

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

this is for my local independent store. they never get anything in unless you pre order it. and then it always costs 18 bucks. i'll continue to buy my cds at concerts and best buy.

inagreendase (March 3, 2004)

"i love the art work too. who puts lyrics in traycard."

From what you're saying, I think it's a Vagrant thing. No Motiv did this with Diagram for Healing a couple years ago.

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

Wow, is everyone buying their cds at Best Buy now? This may sound cliche and petty but support your local record stores. They could use the business and support of the local scenes a lot more than Best Buy and Sam Goody. Just a thought...

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

this album its great. i love the art work too. who puts lyrics in traycard. awesome job!

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

good album

greg6711 (March 3, 2004)

5.99. wow.

that's some expensive garbage,

haha, just kidding, i'll probably buy it.

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

I'm buying this for sure! But where are the kids? :(

Michael Jackson

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)


Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

two lack luster releases in a row. this is ok at best...they have lost their edge. this sounds like "college rock." i could see them opening for the Goo Goo Dolls with this material. Not impressed...

poopypants (March 3, 2004)

hmm, i think i still like on a wire and stwha better but this is still good. some duds, some real outstanding ones. theyve come a long way musically, there is alot going on instrumentally. but the closer is a dud compared to hanna hold on. prob. won't make my top ten or anything like on a wire did, but its still good, its worth it if your a fan. the review is pretty much dead on.

oh yea, rolling stone gave it a 2/5, guess its not as good as kid rocks last effort, i think that got a 4. or limp bizkit, i think that got a 3. they don't mix punk rock with hip hop or get you higher than a tree top i guess. and they don't sniff on girls panties or whatever that weird dude says in that limp dilznik song. peace

oh yea its only 5.99 at best buy, sick right?

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

Best Buy has this for $5.99 (well at least in Chicago).

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

i've had this album for three months now... thank you irc's... and i really do like it when i listen to it, but i'm hard pressed to remember anything about it when i'm not listening to it. and i agree that on a wire is best performed live, so maybe guilt show will go from a 7 to a 10 for me next time i see them play. as far as the band evolving or de-evolving as the case may be, who cares... i mean i love four minute mile alot (a real lot) but if all thier albums sounded like it i'd have been bored with them a long time ago.

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

Awesome review. I got this album a few days early at Bestbuy thanks to the idiots who forgot to put a street date on it...and the review really covers the CD. It's the best from On a Wire and STWHA. And since I was a huge fan of the latter, and not so keen on "On a Wire," I found myself loving this CD, simply because the GUK i loved were back. Kinda. This album is nothing compared to STWHA. But GUK fans will love it.

greg6711 (March 3, 2004)

how much is best buy selling this for?
is it $8.99?

Also, yeah I heard good stuff about that Circle Takes the Square stuff.

squirrelbait (March 3, 2004)

I agree with Frank Four-Fingers.

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

"they merely wrote enough old-sounding songs to please their core fanbase while still trying to expand their musical horizons to keep themselves happy in concert."

OK. Scott, you're a talented reviewer ... I'm a fan of your work. But really, I'm a little tired of people making assumptions like this about a band's motivation or thought process when they were making a record. Maybe TGUK just rocked out, and this was the result circa 2004. Who's to say they were "pleasing their fanbase" or "keeping themselves happy in concert?" A caveat, really. Keep up the good work otherwise.

*Frankie Four-Fingers*

sweetsugarpezz (March 3, 2004)

i know the release date was march 2nd, but i picked this up from best buy (i know im not a HARDCORE INDIE kid rite) on feb 25th, clearly a week before it was released. either they pushed the relase date up or the person who stcoks shit is a complete retard. works for me though.

as for this album, i havent listened to it enough to judge where it goes, but 'something to write home about' still tops this. good tunes though, and in 2 weeks i will see these guys rock it.

devildog1507 (March 3, 2004)

pure crap....get up kids suck ass

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

with all due fairness,

circle takes the square are much better than the get up kids.

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

this might be the least good album the band has put out. like scott implied (sorry if i'm misinterpreting him) the band's other albums were distinct and almost epitomized a sound that others tried to emulate.
that being said, it's still a fine album. the second to last song is fairly rockin'. but i couldn't help thinking of it more as a new amsterdams disc without the acoustic guitar. maybe it will grow on me more, but as of right now, there are only a few songs i really dig on it.

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

i wish it was more like 'on a wire' that album ruled.

Imposs1ble (March 3, 2004)

Scott, great review.
Person a few post below me, Rocky and Recover...oh shit yeah!

MikeRiot (March 3, 2004)

"And also going off the subject the best album of the year so far is Circle Takes The Square's debut. Trust me you won't be dissapointed if you get on down to the store to pick it up."

help, i've dropped all my names.

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

is everyone also forgetting how fucking awesome their current tour's bill is?


lieutenant (March 3, 2004)

Okay. Fair enough. Let's hug.

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

They are ants Michael, they are ants!!!

Anonymous (March 3, 2004)

the cover art is shit, but the cd isn't half bad. seeing them next weekend.

thebouncingsoul (March 3, 2004)

i actually found myself enjoying this record for a couple weeks...i'd never liked the get up kisd before, but it was really fun and catchy

after that...it got real boring, real quickly

Anonymous (March 2, 2004)

I like this album. My first reaction was "awww man its not gonna sound like ON A WIRE (WHICH I WILL FUCKING DEFEND AND CHERISH TIL THE DAY I DIE!) Its a solid album.


greg6711 (March 2, 2004)

Lietunant and others:

This is a review site, and I am going to critize a band's material.

I think this is a solid cd, but I do not think the praise it gets is what it deserves.

Take my OPINION, if you'd like, I appreciate a person like INaSpaceWithaKnife's comment, because it is not as hostile.

I think the music lovers of Get Up Kids have are responding to this review, and saying they like it. I am saying, hey there is a lot better, more sophisticated, more intelligent music of a similar style.
If you think Sub Pop music is not similar to the Get Up Kids, that's your opinion, I think Get Up Kids are similar to a few bands on that label,

But look it comes down to this.
This a place where we judge cds. If you don't think I have the credentials to judge it fine, but from a person who loves deep, intricate music this is not the place to start.

Metaphor: this is like a puddle, with the rain being the worth of listening to it,
a band such as the Shins...they would be what I consider Lake Michigan.

Eddie (March 2, 2004)

this score is for their hilarious acronym

Anonymous (March 2, 2004)

this record is brilliant. where on a wire was better and more mature then STWHB, Guilt Show is the bands best record to date. Matt Pryor couldnt write a bad song if he tried

Anonymous (March 2, 2004)

this album is fantastic. second best, but fantastic.

inagreendase (March 2, 2004)

I really enjoy this album, but especially "Is There A Way Out"...it might stick out like a sore thumb, but it just pushes this certain dark mood through really well...good review too, tells it almost exactly how it is.

lieutenant (March 2, 2004)

...I really, really, wish one day I would spend the time to post just ONE comment without a slew of spelling and grammatical errors.

lieutenant (March 2, 2004)

I love how people like to comment on an album but suggesting to people other records that they personally think are better. The bands that you have mentioned, Greg, are not providing the same type of music and atmosphere as the Get Up Kids; it is silly to recommend them as this is different music. Replaced the word "emo" with any other word of combination of words preferred, but the Get Up Kids lean towards that sound and trend while the bands you listed do not. So it's just providing the impression, "Here are bands I listen to that are better than this band you like."

As well, the argument that if you stripped a band of its name and played its music without a reputation, it would seam amateur... You could say that about a million of bands. There is really no way to back that up unless you can prove fairly well that the band is writing unoriginal, uninspired songs. I don't think that is the case with this album, then again I don't have the proof neither. However, unlike you, notice how I am stating this as my opinion, not fact.

Anonymous (March 2, 2004)

I thought that this album was a lot better than On a Wire because I desperately wanted another pop punk offering. Sympathy is by far my favorite song. It has a groove which I can't say is found as easily in other songs on the album. Overall I'm glad I purchased this album. I think it will get some people to think twice and give it a listen. I like to just pop this in the car on a long drive and just go. Good job guys thanks for the tunes.

Anonymous (March 2, 2004)

i personally love this album, and think it's one of their best. it hasn't left my cd player in weeks.

InSpaceWithAKnife (March 2, 2004)


I can totally understand what you're saying, but at the same time people are always gonna have different opinions than you and this is the beauty of music. Some jackass will probably say this is the best album ever, and I honestly believe while it may not be the best album of the year and definetely ever I can't hold it against people that praise it more than He himself. Its all just opinions that not everyone has to agree on.

Now The Get Up Kids to me are very good at what they do. They have produced a sound over the years that has paved the way for many. They are not popular, but at the same time they are not unnoticed. As far as the Sub Pop deal that you mentioned, I would diagree that GUK even fit or compare to bands on that label. Yes Postal Service are extremely amazing as well as the other greats found on Sub Pop, but they carry a different sound than that of The Get Up Kids.


Anonymous (March 2, 2004)

however, Holy Roman is an excellent song.


Anonymous (March 2, 2004)

i feel bad saying this, but i am simply not feeling this album. i loved 4 minute mile. i loved something to write home about. i loved on a wire. why would the band go write a style of music that they really didnt want to go back to? this is a digression in the world of the Get Up Kids. instead of expanding their horizons they are basically dumbing themselves down and taking steps backwards. just because the kids want you to change doesnt mean you have to. will any of those kids even care about this record in 2 years? GUK, write what you want. people can tell when a band is doing what they want and it always ends up better.


Anonymous (March 2, 2004)

Solid album, great review.

Anonymous (March 2, 2004)

Yes, No Jim angers me as well, seeing how "Ten Minutes" and "Campfire Kansas" are excellent songs. Also, I feel that this is the first GUK disc to leave a bad taste because of the closing track. All their other cds, even "Eudora" had a fantastic closing song. Overall great effort but comes a little short and it's obvious that they were trying to please everyone and not really focused on making a coherent record. "Sympathy" is my favorite song.

gladimnotemo (March 2, 2004)


- Part of the Emo following -

emotional music with strong anti-commerical undertones. Hmm yes.

Anonymous (March 2, 2004)

i don't think you can compare the getup kids to straight indie rock since they also have an emo influence. i'm so excited that this is out

greg6711 (March 2, 2004)

I understand this is fullfilling those fond memories of your precious Get Up Kids,

but please,
don't talk about this as if it were to be on the top 10 of the year

it's an okay cd from what i've heard, it's not horrible, it may be some of their better stuff,

but please,
if this cd were made by a nameless band, it would get no praise.

Just some thoughts that i'd love to hear responses too.

Anonymous (March 2, 2004)

I played this about 3 times since I bought it and I must say...I'm pretty happy w/ it. There will never be another "Something To Write Home About". Hopefully there will never be another "On a Wire". But seriously the reviewer hit the nail on the head...the band is definitely trying to satisfy their hardcore fans with some songs that sound like they are from the "Something..." sessions. With that said they are still incorporating the "One the Wire" piano backgrounds. I think it mixes both well.

Anonymous (March 2, 2004)

I loved Something To Write Home About, I loved On A Wire and so far I love this.

Holy Roman is a great song

soulbleed (March 2, 2004)

i like this cd a lot more than on a wire. it's good.

greg6711 (March 2, 2004)

Get Up kids...
nice effort, but put against indie rock material it is the type of music an opener band should play.

Try Sub Pop, they are putting out amazing stuff: Shins, Postal Service, Iron and Wine...

Anonymous (March 2, 2004)

This is one of the best reviews I have ever read. Period. I love the album too.

gatecrasher (March 2, 2004)

A definite improvement over On A Wire.

theevilmonkey (March 2, 2004)

I personally love this album, but totally agree with the review- but my bias towards the Get Up Kids clouds my ability to really rate the album.

I think it's interesting that they released Martyr Me as the first download song- it sounds the most like STWHA.

And I think In Your Sea is a really great, fun song.

Anonymous (March 2, 2004)

It's the new sound of College Rock! WEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

InSpaceWithAKnife (March 2, 2004)

My favorite album by these guys was "Something To Write Home About," and I guess I just didn't get "On A Wire."
Anyway this sounds like it will be a great album, and I can't wait till tomorrow. And also going off the subject the best album of the year so far is Circle Takes The Square's debut. Trust me you won't be dissapointed if you get on down to the store to pick it up.


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