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Against Me! / Planes Mistaken For Stars

Against Me! / Planes Mistaken For Stars: live in Providencelive in Providence (2004)
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Dear Marathon, Being that I've never heard of No Choice, and I was sick as fuck, I was kind of looking forward to getting through the openers quickly and get right into PMFS and Against Me! I would normally be pissed off about having to sit through some no-name band who got on the bill unliste.


Dear Marathon,

Being that I've never heard of No Choice, and I was sick as fuck, I was kind of looking forward to getting through the openers quickly and get right into PMFS and Against Me! I would normally be pissed off about having to sit through some no-name band who got on the bill unlisted, but shitâ?¦you guys were good. You play some great, melodic punk rock, and, live, gave off a Pipedown / Thought Riot vibe. I would say send something in to A-F Records, but the EP you gave me (thanks, a review should be up soon), definitely sounds like early Propagandhi. Not a bad thing at all. All of you had crazy energy, but especially the singer, with your frantic, spastic twitches and constant moving. "Our Dictator Can Beat Up Your Dictator" was definitely a standout.

Dear No Choice,

I'm not really sure of your normal touring habits, but I thought it was very cool that a band from Russia came to traverse the U.S. with such great bands. The first few songs you played didn't strike me as anything special, but the set of fairly basic punk rock grew on me as time went by, and the short chant of "Fuck George Bush!" closing out the last song was a lot less overdone than many other bands would have fallen victim to.

Dear Planes Mistaken For Stars,

You rocked. However, The Call's sound problems are way too consistent to fully enjoy any band, so the lead vocals were way too low. Hell, your backup growling guy was louder than the lead vocals. But the music was good times, even if the songs were hardly recognizable. The new song off what I'm sure is the upcoming Up In Them Guts full-length, though, which is being released June 15th if I'm not mistaken (no pun intended), sounds great. It seems like it's a lot closer to the self-titled style that you abandoned so hastily a few years ago. Actually, it would've been nice to hear some of that stuff considering it's your best work in one's humble opinion, but I digress. I did grab the set list when you finished up. This is it, right?

6 INCH
LEANING
END ME
Hollow
PIGS
SICILLIAN
BASTARDS [which was crossed out and not played]
SAY NOT

Dear Against Me!,

Although after a few minutes, things got crazy, I'm not sure what the fuck you'd like to call those first two songs you played. Warm-ups perhaps? I'll call them shit. Even two people standing next to me were more than willing to inform you "sounds like shit!" Granted they were drunk, but those intoxicated words were the truth. I liked the Easter blessing you gave to those "who it means something to" as well. But after that and the terrible problems with the lead guitar were through, we got the anthemic, fist-pumping chants we all know and enjoy�for the most part. Sure, hearing (in no particular order) "Those Anarcho Punks Are Mysterious," "Reinventing Axel Rose," "Pints of Guinness Make You Strong," "Sink, Florida, Sink," "Turn Those Clapping Hands Into Angry Balled Fists," "The Politics of Starving," and "Walking is Still Honest" brought out the fan boy in all of us, including myself, there is the issue of the encore. It might be unfair to get my panties knotted up over such a small issue following a spectacularly raw set of singalongs with the entire crowd, especially in considering it may have been out of your hands, but you didn't even play "We Laugh At Danger" or "Cliché Guavara," which undeniably would've made for a great one-two finish. Yes, it was nice of you to blatantly tell us there'll be no encore, despite numerous requests, and the mellow, light finish of "Cavalier Eternal" was a nice little conclusion, but the night felt incomplete. Nonetheless, we heard most of the staples, and at least for that I, as well as the rest of those in attendance Sunday night, can be grateful for such.

 

 
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Anonymous (May 3, 2004)

lets clear some things up.

the anti flag tour did play in some clear channel venues, the against me / pmfs did not.

against me and pmfs have both said they will not play in any clear channel venues if they have control over it (which they did on their own tour), but sometimes its out of their control if they are out with another band who hasn't taken a stance against clear channel.

surprisingly not everyone knows about how fucked up clear channel is yet , but its only a matter of time before almost every band with at least a shred of integrity hops on board and never plays for clear channel again.

Anonymous (April 17, 2004)

"is from wales(really close to Britain."

Wales is IN Britain. Great Britain includes Scotland, Wales, England and Northern Ireland.

Anonymous (April 16, 2004)

i think bsd is beyond conceited.

noreply (April 16, 2004)

you guys are weird

Anonymous (April 16, 2004)

a 16 year old fucking douchebag. which means that basically you are worth shit.

Anonymous (April 15, 2004)

I'm nothing but a mere fucking douchebag.

-BSD

Anonymous (April 15, 2004)

I'd just like to remind everyone that BSD is 16, just let what he says roll off your back. He's just a kid, and in ten years will not be the same idiot he appears to be today, just let it ride. Think of Robin Williams' speech to Matt Damon in Good Will Hunting, thats about the same thing.

4131

Anonymous (April 15, 2004)

ok so what they have one bad show. Not that big of a deal AGAINST ME! is still #1 in my heart. i have gone to plenty of not so good shows but we all have our days right give them some slack. show some respect.
brandie

Anonymous (April 15, 2004)

"Fuck you guys. Punk bands like this give anarchy a bad name, but if you're taking your political queues from rock bands and their lame fans, you should be shot, regardless.

-BSD"

Is taking political cues from bands ok though? It just seems a little weird hearing someone who appears to listen to politically orientated music say that. Surely your favourite bands wanted people to be inspired by their politics.

ilikebandssuchasopivy (April 15, 2004)

"why don't we sum this up right quick for everyone:

against
me
are
not
an
anarchist
band

there. they used to be, mostly back when it was just tom, or tom and kevin. but they've never claimed to be anarchist in any of their current lineups. so stop judging them like they automatically are. and if you want to talk about "baby, i'm an anarchist," a) that was a cover from tom's old band, and b) although it has something to say, you should not listen to every word of it as if it's completely serious. if you're mad about them formerly being anarchist, then switching...hey, peoples' views change, and look at their actions now...there is no way to say that they are only in it for the money; they just want to get by. fat does not mean a mansion and eight cars. i hereby declare anyone who calls am! sellouts an idiot."

Let me sum this up for you..

Shut Up. Honestly, just stop talking, possibly forever. Become a monk, live in a cave, do anything; as long as it involves never talking again.

Anonymous (April 15, 2004)

bsd is dumb.

Anonymous (April 14, 2004)

1) Against Me! makes me smile
2) sickboi, I was at the AM! show at the nanci raygun, and it was good shit.
3) I don't really see how anybody could Against Me! sold out at all. A band like them is subject to change their style dramatically and often. So, stfu, n00b.

Anonymous (April 14, 2004)

Swingin' Utters have been making great music for years on Fat.....yet they still have second jobs to feed thier families. This selling out shit is pretty lame. Next topic please.

Anonymous (April 14, 2004)

why don't we sum this up right quick for everyone:

against
me
are
not
an
anarchist
band

there. they used to be, mostly back when it was just tom, or tom and kevin. but they've never claimed to be anarchist in any of their current lineups. so stop judging them like they automatically are. and if you want to talk about "baby, i'm an anarchist," a) that was a cover from tom's old band, and b) although it has something to say, you should not listen to every word of it as if it's completely serious. if you're mad about them formerly being anarchist, then switching...hey, peoples' views change, and look at their actions now...there is no way to say that they are only in it for the money; they just want to get by. fat does not mean a mansion and eight cars. i hereby declare anyone who calls am! sellouts an idiot.

fritobandito (April 14, 2004)

oh and the "Baby..." encore and the new song in Baltimore were awesome too.

fritobandito (April 14, 2004)

HAHA. I win. They played both those songs you missed while in Baltimore. Haha.

And I'm sure someone has said it (I'm not reading all these damn comments), but No Choice isn't from Russia...Wales, I believe. Hehe.

Icapped2pac (April 14, 2004)

Thanks for being my comedic relief every day, BSD. What's funniest is that you don't seem to realize what a fucking douchebag your comments make you out to be. Go fight a polar bear.

Anonymous (April 14, 2004)

Fuck you guys. Punk bands like this give anarchy a bad name, but if you're taking your political queues from rock bands and their lame fans, you should be shot, regardless.

-BSD

Anonymous (April 14, 2004)

marathon needs to tour more. the west coast misses good bands

AmericanIdle (April 14, 2004)

No it's not.

Anonymous (April 14, 2004)

the song which you're referring to, baby im an anarchist, is a sarcastic, satrical song anyway.

notaclevername (April 14, 2004)

A couple of things:
1) No choice are from Wales, U.K. (unless the Russia thing was some inside joke I missed)

2)I saw this show in Birmingham and, to me, it rocked ass...and speaking of which, there was significant "crack display" from the Planes Mistaken from Stars guy when I saw them, too...tee, and indeed, hee ("fee and easy, Lis' there's nothing like an unfurnished basement"-Bart Simpson)

3)isn't the fact that someone is an anarchist make the whole voting thing moot--last time i checked, anarchy was about maximum personal freedom, INCLUDING voting for whomever one wants (i know Tom sang about how he couldn't understand how someone could "have faith in the elephant and jackass," but i'm SURE he goes around hurling bricks through Starbuck's windows, too)- why can't anarchists be pragmatists to unseat one of the worst presidents in U.S. history? huh? HUH?

for what that's worth...

AmericanIdle (April 14, 2004)

I've got a couple comments for Boldredletters. Although you're comments are a nice, intelligent change of pace from the usual fare on this site, I have a couple corrects/opinions:

"they don't play "anarchist" that often because it's actually a cover, from what I understand."

Tom and two friends wrote it for an old band. They played it live three or four times but it never got beyond that. In a way, he's plagarising off himself!

"thirdly, if you were given the option of your band's recording sounding shitty, or sounding accurate, which would you choose? While choosing a shitty recording may make a political statement in a sense, it's a really trite one. I can't imagine a musician wanting their music to sound bad on record."
Reinventing Axl Rose and Disco Before The Breakdown didn't sound like shit. I consider RAR one of the best production jobs ever, because it's very listenable but retains that raw emotional punch. Right around that level of production is what I favor, and the new album is certainly more produced than RAR. I think it's really cool that they recorded analog, but because of the recording technique it came out sorta weak. Look at the newest Lawrence Arms album, it was recorded analog and, production-wise, packs a much more powerful punch than the new AM!

All that said, EC is a good album. Poppiness in music is not a bad thing. It's funny when kids bash anarchy because they know nothing about it.

Anonymous (April 14, 2004)

Anarchy is for morons and uneducated brats, parliamentarly socialism is the way to go.

Anonymous (April 14, 2004)

ha ha, Baltimore got an encore and you didn't!

boldredletters (April 14, 2004)

(that would've been me, below)

Anonymous (April 14, 2004)

a true anarchist, like a true existentialist, doesn't need to believe that anything will "work."

you can't really say all anarchy is anything - there are such broad definitions of it. some believe it merely means an active resistance to "the system." that, of course will fail.

then, there are those who aknowledge the existence of society as an idea rather than a concrete thing - as an essence preceding existence, as sartre would say.

it's really impossible to say that kind of anarchist will fail, or succeed. it's all a matter of perception.

Anonymous (April 14, 2004)

"and anarchy is just a naive dream that is maintained as reality in the minds of ignorant, unobservant, unquestioning and unthoughtful people.
it just doesn't and will never work."

Ha! How many times have you been beat up for saying that? 'Cause me, all the gutter punx hate for tellin' it to them.

Anonymous (April 14, 2004)

this score is for marathon. they own.

Anonymous (April 14, 2004)

For anyone interested in checking out an new unreleased MARATHON song, please check out www.purevolume.com/marathonny

The song is titled "Closing Time at the Distortion Factory" and was recently recorded with Kurt Ballou at Godcity in Salem, Ma.

Good Times

Anonymous (April 14, 2004)

dear reviewer,

i saw this in allston the night before. and no choice is from wales(really close to Britain.)

Against me! was incredible. They played cliche guevara and almost all of their hits.

Anonymous (April 14, 2004)

In response to boldredletters, I'm pretty sure the tour with A-F wasn't in clear channel venues. I know they played at First Avenue in Minneapolis and that is not clear channel affiliated. So much so, that there's been rumors of it shutting down because it is getting pressure to go clear channel and they won't.

ilikebandssuchasopivy (April 14, 2004)

Daer agenzt me!

yuo zold outz cuz youa are aon fat reck wecokrzdz and theay are a maorjor lab3l cazue mmy frined kowns you adn yuo areae selloutz

lol!

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boldredletters (April 14, 2004)

to add to american idle's comments:

they don't play "anarchist" that often because it's actually a cover, from what I understand.

secondly, what's really ironic about the record sounding more "polished" is that they actually used more analog equipment in this recording than the last. Or at least, that's what Chris from hot water music told me!!! (SCENE POINTS X 10000)

thirdly, (harry carey impersonation, will ferrell style): if you were given the option of your band's recording sounding shitty, or sounding accurate, which would you choose? While choosing a shitty recording may make a political statement in a sense, it's a really trite one. I can't imagine a musician wanting their music to sound bad on record.

fourth, BSD, what would you suggest when, as a band, more people want to see you then the venues you always played can support? too fucking bad for kids who might not've known better a year ago?

fifth, its kind of lame to bash a band on motivations, and, really, kind of an un-anarchistic thing to do. you can't really claim to ever know their motivations. the closest you can go buy is their lyrics and actions: and i don't see how against me!'s lyrics have changed one bit, or how their actions show them to be blatant capitalists all of a sudden. the closest they came was playing a tour with anti-flag, and i'm not sure if that went to clearchannel venues or not.

Anonymous (April 14, 2004)

To reviewer:
I've seen AM! play seven times now, and they played an encore once (first time I saw them). And then they said "This really makes us feel like rockstar assholes." So don't be upset, they usually just don't play them.

To those who say Against Me! sold out:
Say what you want about the evolution of their sound, but I find it very hard to believe that a band that plays shows at all-ages venues that aren't even bars for only six dollars are in it for the money. I've never paid over six dollars to see them. (Except when they weren't the headliner)

Anonymous (April 14, 2004)

i don't get the exclamation point.

however i do enjoy !!!

notfeelingcreative (April 14, 2004)

Hey geniuses just because you may not like a band doesn't mean they need to quit!! THere are plenty of people who like all of the bands that you people trash!

notfeelingcreative (April 14, 2004)

I wish marathon were playing with them here!

Anonymous (April 14, 2004)

Dear ABC,

If you don't put 'Coach' back on the air, I'll be really upset. The skillful acting of Craig T. Nelson will be missed a lot.

Peter Griffin

Anonymous (April 14, 2004)

against me! is fucking lame, they need to quit, i saw them and they fucking had more fans on stage than they did in the fucking crowd, thats lame.. to know people in the crowd dont like you and accepting it is one thing, having to have people on your stage to please you is another. fuck against me!

Anonymous (April 13, 2004)

if you think against me has sold out , you need to do some serious growing up.

wait till you have to support yourself independently and with integrity before saying stupid shit like signing to fat is selling out.

fat... fat are far from a big label.

and anarchy is just a naive dream that is maintained as reality in the minds of ignorant, unobservant, unquestioning and unthoughtful people.
it just doesn't and will never work.

not that it couldn't if everything was different.

Anonymous (April 13, 2004)

also the one below is for this shitty annoying fucking review.

Anonymous (April 13, 2004)

wouldn't bsd have been like 10 when the first AM tape came out?

ElVaquero (April 13, 2004)

Dear anonymous loser, Crime was better than Axl.

I don't think I would consider Against Me! sold out if they're playing shows with Planes...

Anonymous (April 13, 2004)

this score is for against me. take away "reinventing axl rose" and they are nothing

Anonymous (April 13, 2004)

and its an anti bush comp..not a pro kerry comp..

Anonymous (April 13, 2004)

Somehow that review format bored me. This score is for the review.

AmericanIdle (April 13, 2004)

"(personally, I didn't know the chances of seeing a pretty heavily touring DIY band twice are that small)."

You said from the beginning. Did you mean when it was Tom playing solo under the name Against Me!? Did you mean when it was Tom and Kevin? Did you mean when it was Kevin, Tom, Dustin and James? I doubt your friend was with Against Me! from "the beginning".

"You can tell from one listen "yeah, these guys are in it for $$$"."

Like I said, if they are in it for the money, why are they playing small community centers, skate parks etc. on this tour? If they were in it for the money, they would have accepted the offer Universal Records made them earlier this month. Pretty much all the cash AM! makes goes back into their music.

"Against Me?, I think, are trying to pretend that the Fat deal never happened, that their sound hasn't suddenly gotten 100% poppier."

The new album is too polished for my liking. But it is far from being "100% poppier." Underneath the big production, the songs are esentially the same.

"Like it or not, any real anarchist wouldn't agree to go on a "Vote Democrate!" comp because the labelmaster asked them to."

Tom voted Nader in 2000. I know that he and the entire band feel strongly against George W Bush, and if they're on this comp its because of their choice not because Fat Mike asked them to.

CrankWillDestroy (April 13, 2004)

'planes mistaken for stars was great, but one of the guys' asscrack was hanging out the whole time. '

Hey at least they weren't playing naked, like they have done in the past, and probably will do again. Oh well, I can't wait to see them in June....yee haw

Anonymous (April 13, 2004)

"Just saying, you should know what you're talking about before you go shooting your mouth off. AM! are stand up guys, and somehow because you have a friend whos been into them since "The beginning" [probably not true"] you think it gives you liscense to be a dickwad?"

Hey, I say it how it is. I don't care if you believe who I'm friends with or not (personally, I didn't know the chances of seeing a pretty heavily touring DIY band twice are that small). I'm not slamming the guys for no reason. If I just wanted to slag a band, I'd spend all my time denouncing Nagoya or some such shit. But they're straight up. You can tell from one listen "yeah, these guys are in it for $$$". Against Me?, I think, are trying to pretend that the Fat deal never happened, that their sound hasn't suddenly gotten 100% poppier. Like it or not, any real anarchist wouldn't agree to go on a "Vote Democrate!" comp because the labelmaster asked them to.

-BSD

Anonymous (April 13, 2004)

1) No Choice are from Wales (UK), not Russia.

2) Marathon was better than every band that night.

3) Mmm.. free Rolling Rock.

4) No Warren Iraq.

5) !No Estoy Mentiendo!

Anonymous (April 13, 2004)

Hating Against Me for selling out is one thing. Defending them personally saying how nice they are is another. Honestly though, should either matter? I really think all that SHOULD matter is if you like there music. They might be the most money hungry dicks on the planet, or they could be the sweetest guys alive. Who fuckin cares? There a group of people who play instruments. In the big scheme of things, thats not to big of a deal, I think anyway. I'm also not trying to put down anyones opinion either. If you think they sold out or not or whatever thats fine, I for one just care about the music they play.

Anonymous (April 13, 2004)

saw these guys on the 2nd. excellent show even though they didn't play some of their greatest songs.

planes mistaken for stars was great, but one of the guys' asscrack was hanging out the whole time. he obviously didn't hear people screaming to pull his pants up.

and that no choice band, sucks.

AmericanIdle (April 13, 2004)

"should have said "DIY anarchist political bands"."

Tom is the only ones in the band who call himself an anarchist. I don't think you're in the position to critique their anarchist ethics anyways, since you ARE on a computer.

gladimnotemo (April 13, 2004)

A band doesn't have to agree with the label owner's exact political views to sign with them. I think the only thing in common with Against Me! and Fat Mike is that they both have a disdain for Bush at the moment. I think if you look into it, AM!'s politics probably greatly differ from Fat Mike's.

Anonymous (April 13, 2004)

anarchists, not artists

AmericanIdle (April 13, 2004)

"They cut "Baby I'm an Anarchist" out of their set list... I've seen them twice. Once a year before signing to Fat and once 3 months afterwards. They can say whatever rhetorical bull shit intellectual nonsense they want, but they sold the fuck out. I knew kids who'd been with them since the beginning, when Tom would critisize bands for doing exactly what his band did...

Enjoy powerchords on acoustics? Okay, but I find it hard to enjoy a band whose main motivations have always (have been said to be) political when they're on FAT.

I'm sure all the cash and trendy girl head makes up for a complete lack in devoted fanbase, though...

-BSD"
I saw them last Saturday in an elementary school gym, and they played Baby I'm An Anarchist. Given, Against Me!s very early politics dont gel with FAT, but people do change. Hell, by very early Against Me! politics they're sellouts for putting out records and playing electric instruments. I see no ideological contridiction between anything from CRIME, or even from the s/t 12" onwards. I interviewed the band on Saturday; they are far from rich. They all work as bartenders when they're in g-ville, James and Tom live together to save money.

Just saying, you should know what you're talking about before you go shooting your mouth off. AM! are stand up guys, and somehow because you have a friend whos been into them since "The beginning" [probably not true"] you think it gives you liscense to be a dickwad?

Anonymous (April 13, 2004)

"And the problem with Fat is...? They are a great way for bands that don't want to deal with major label bullshit to get great distribution and actually make a living...

-sickboi"

Oh yeah? Against Me? didn't seem to be suffering too much before, in fact, their fanbase was probably almost as big, just with more loyal kids. The problem with a band of outspoken artists signing to a label run by a guy who's a hardcore democrate and buys into Clinton myth is obvious.

I should have said "DIY anarchist political bands". Though the guy who called me an idiot was sticking up for two fairly shitty bands.

-BSD

Anonymous (April 13, 2004)

"I find it hard to enjoy a band whose main motivations have always (have been said to be) political when they're on FAT."

Um...so what label should they be on then? If they leave, they should take Propagandhi and Good Riddance too right? Idiot, get over it. You'd do the same thing.

Anonymous (April 13, 2004)

"And the problem with Fat is...? They are a great way for bands that don't want to deal with major label bullshit to get great distribution and actually make a living...

-sickboi"

A-fucking men.

mrwaffles (April 13, 2004)

Those Anarcho Punx Are Mysterious = best AM! song

inagreendase (April 13, 2004)

"What the fuck is that about? Every band has to be huge as fuck and well-known for you to not be pissed? AM(?) played a show in my friend's fucking garage once. Get a life, asshole."

I should've worded it "normally on days when I'm coughing up blood, surprise bands would bother me."

Anonymous (April 13, 2004)

They played it both times I saw them in January.

And the problem with Fat is...? They are a great way for bands that don't want to deal with major label bullshit to get great distribution and actually make a living...

-sickboi

Anonymous (April 13, 2004)

"I would normally be pissed off about having to sit through some no-name band who got on the bill unlisted"

What the fuck is that about? Every band has to be huge as fuck and well-known for you to not be pissed? AM(?) played a show in my friend's fucking garage once. Get a life, asshole.

-BSD

Anonymous (April 13, 2004)

They cut "Baby I'm an Anarchist" out of their set list... I've seen them twice. Once a year before signing to Fat and once 3 months afterwards. They can say whatever rhetorical bull shit intellectual nonsense they want, but they sold the fuck out. I knew kids who'd been with them since the beginning, when Tom would critisize bands for doing exactly what his band did...

Enjoy powerchords on acoustics? Okay, but I find it hard to enjoy a band whose main motivations have always (have been said to be) political when they're on FAT.

I'm sure all the cash and trendy girl head makes up for a complete lack in devoted fanbase, though...

-BSD

Anonymous (April 13, 2004)

I'd like clarification on the sell-out charge...

They are constantly touring, and I don't mean big clubs. Fuck they played the Nanci Raygun (Twisters) here in Richmond in January.

-sickboi

Anonymous (April 13, 2004)

"dear reviewer,

stfu."

Hahahahahaha!!!!

Anonymous (April 13, 2004)

Dear InAGreenDase,

"Against Me" is to be followed by a "?" these days.

Dear Against Me?,

Baby, you're sellouts.

-BSD

Anonymous (April 13, 2004)

dear reviewer,

stfu.

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