Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 26, 2004 at 7:44 PM (EDT)
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Esto sÍ es vanguardia
plagian.. Jaja,pero de los buenos
celebro que hayan cambiado

Posted by flyfly on 2004-06-02 15:37:32
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what is everyones favorite track? mine is either:
they dont want your corn they want your kids
or
hold hans and it will happen anyway.

Posted by flyfly on 2004-06-02 15:34:12
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this album is best enjoyd on good qualitly speakers at a hefty volume in a dark room with candles. just a little piece of advice

Posted by flyfly on 2004-06-01 19:22:21
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i fucking love this album it is an immensly welcome break from all this shitty whiny emo or second rate punk. this album actualy made me scared. and you have to admit that very few albums can actualy provoke emotions just through sound like this. and on the subject of low-fi and indie. i am a self confessed stupid indie boy and i love it there are too many bands that rely on there managment, friends in high places, good looks and mtv. IDIE IS WHAT KEEPS MUSIC ALIVE. and bands like Liars are the ones to thank. i am going to fopp to get this tommow for sure

Posted by FortyMinutesWest on 2004-05-10 22:10:00
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If you like this, that's cool, I'm just stating the impression that I get. I'm not like certain other people, who think they can dictate what other people listen to..

Posted by squirrelbait on 2004-05-10 18:08:19
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"Just because it's "difficult" doesn't make it good."

Ofcourse not, but I happen to really enjoy this album, but not because it's difficult. I mean, I also listen to bands such as Rocket From The Crypt, the Oblivians and even Weezer. That isn't difficult music, but I still enjoy it, just like this album, which has a totally unique vibe that I enjoy. What's the big deal?

And I also love Slayer, so yeah, there are people who like Slayer and The Liars.

Posted by FortyMinutesWest on 2004-05-10 17:07:51
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Exactly, relay. I mean, I can listen to some prog-rock and things of that nature, but this stuff just seems hollow.

It reminds me of someone splashing paint all over a canvas and people going crazy over it just because they've never seen anything like it.

Posted by relay1112 on 2004-05-10 16:13:22
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Dude this CD is terrible. Just because it's "difficult" doesn't make it good.

Posted by looczar on 2004-05-10 13:41:47
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First of all, Iron Maiden rocks! Sure the whole Eddie monster thang is played out and laughable, but Aces High! Number of the Beast! Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner... There is intelligence there that places them far above the butt-rock, 80s metal you guys seem to be dogging on... Sometimes I wonder if these artsy boys are so scared someone will "get it" and realize they really aren't that deep at all...

Not all metal is The Darkness-style cheese... Neurosis has some of the deepest, philosophical lyrics I've ever heard! I could wane on, but... I'm sorta playing devil's advocate here since I already admitted to wanting to check this out, but I'll defend metal anyday over lo-fi indie music (which by the review this didn't sound like anyway...) Like Forty said, to each his own... everytime someone doesn't like a band it's not necessarily because "they don't get it"...

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 10, 2004 at 5:46 AM (EDT)
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*sucks*

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 10, 2004 at 5:42 AM (EDT)
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I loathe Iron Maiden. Any band that writes songs pertaining to monsters with intentions of being taken seriously suck in my book.

I don't know much metal bands, but what I do know is that most "so-called" metal bands are soft as hell (what I've heard Iron Maiden's "Brave New World," for instance.)

Posted by FortyMinutesWest on 2004-05-09 21:27:18
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I dont take Slayer's lyrics seriously, or most metal seriously, honestly. And I don't listen to 80's metal, outside of Slayer and sometimes Iron Maiden. I don't listen to Venom are anything like that. I'm sure you'd like Slayer's lyrics more if they released one 7" in 1979 and you were the only person who knew of them. You're the caricature of the elitist punker, it's hilarious to think that people like you are real. The point I'm making is, you think some of the bands I listen to have dumb lyrics, I think some of the bands you listen to have dumb lyrics. It's all opinion. You think it stands up better, I don't. Don't expect me or anyone else to accept your opinion as fact, it's not going to happen.

Posted by BSD on 2004-05-09 20:48:10
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Compare something humerous like that to 80's metal... It stands up much better.

Do you think anyone takes Slayer lyrics seriously today?

"Reign in blood"? More like "reign in my auto shop".

Posted by FortyMinutesWest on 2004-05-09 20:32:27
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"Forty, you like metal.

Anything made by anyone with a taste for Metal (excepting John Zorn) is just about as stupid as these idiots sitting in a cafe trying to write deep lyrics.

Your "bring the fuckin' jams" approach to music is just as stupid as the polar opposite, and since you don't like real rock n roll, you may want to refrain from dissing bands for a while.
"

Oh please, can you make one comment without sounding condescending? I think I'll say whatever I want, I don't like low-fi rock stuff, you're right, but everything you said was simply based on opinion. You aren't the be all end all of musical taste, BSD. You want to talk about shitty lyrics? You gave a sparkling review to the Consumers, who had such brilliant lyrics as " I'm going to find a way to drive you mad like piss on you or fuck your dad." Yeah, you have a lot of room to talk about bad lyrics. So go ahead and talk about whatever the hell you want, just don't expect me to take you seriously.

Posted by Jesse on 2004-05-09 19:16:08
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It only sounds pretentious and fake if you're originally inclined to believe that arty/intetellectual sounding music sounds pretentious and fake. Just because an album is well thought out and intricate doesn't mean it's pretentious and arty. Look at "Relationship of Command." That CD, most people would agree, is absolutely amazing and well thought out. But when they add instrumentation, more complicated drum parts, and extended solo sections (as the Mars Volta), they instantly get passed off by most as sounding arty or pretentious.

Breakdown your stereotypes and your "I'm too original to listen to 'fake pretentious crap'" attitudes. This album is amazing, and that's all there is too it.

Posted by BSD on 2004-05-09 17:12:17
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Exactly.

There's a difference between the honesty of Curtis's lyrics and this shit... You can tell from the delivery and lyrics whether it's honest or not. This stuff sounds like some artsy guys sat down and tried to be deep. Joy Division sounds like some guy sat down and wrote what was going on in his mind.

Same thing with all post-punk, and most rock n roll.

Compare "My Friends Over You" to "Ever Fallen In Love"... There's a huge difference. One outright SOUNDS manufactured.

At least that's the way I hear it.

-BSD

Posted by GreenVandal on 2004-05-09 16:22:04
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Ooooooh theres gonna be a fight in the liars review!

I think that to a point you do have to be conciously artistic. Because if you dont put some effort into the music you are writing, then it will never evolve or accomplish anything for anyone. If you just throw down the jams, then well, its never gonna be anything but a quick thrill that gets old within a week. But a truly thought out and creatively written song can be beautiful, if not done in excess. Its all about having a ear for writing and when to know when you have pushed it far enough for yourself to be satisfied, rather then just keep pushing it across the line to see how many pats on the back you get. Music at is core is a expression of a person, and some people are just more thoughtful people then others.

Just cuz its calculated, doesnt mean its not someones heart in soul in that song. I cant remember when putting some blood and sweat into something made it worse.

on that note, I never heard this.

Posted by BSD on 2004-05-09 01:25:28
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Forty, you like metal.

Anything made by anyone with a taste for Metal (excepting John Zorn) is just about as stupid as these idiots sitting in a cafe trying to write deep lyrics.

Your "bring the fuckin' jams" approach to music is just as stupid as the polar opposite, and since you don't like real rock n roll, you may want to refrain from dissing bands for a while.

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 8, 2004 at 7:52 PM (EDT)
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I just tried to listen to this in Borders... and thought it was SO punk/experimental as to be completely unlistenable.

Posted by FortyMinutesWest on 2004-05-08 12:41:50
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A concept album about heart would just defeat the whole purpose. Bands like this one are so concerned with making something artsy or intellectual that it all just ends up sounding incredibly pretentious. Great bands aren't challenging for the sake of being challenging, they don't write songs while thinking "hahaha, no one will get this, we're so brilliant!" This shit is fake, that's the bottom line. You can say "oh you don't get!" That's fine, you can believe that if it makes it easier to hear people criticize music you like.

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 7, 2004 at 1:03 AM (EDT)
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If we had concept albums based on heart. It'd all end up being punk and hardcore songs talking about how everyone is a sell out.

Besides, who cares what Rolling Stones and Spin says? It's all rubbish.

Posted by looczar on 2004-05-06 18:05:26
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This review and the ensuing comments made me want to check this out... I gotta at least respect a band that people either love or hate. I probably won't dig it, but it sounds interesting (which is more than can be said for most of the shit that passes for music nowadays...)

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 6, 2004 at 5:24 PM (EDT)
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this review was terrible.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 6, 2004 at 3:23 PM (EDT)
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yea because if you don't like something it must be because you're too dumb to do so

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 6, 2004 at 3:13 PM (EDT)
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I hadn't read pitchfork for a long time as the reviews seemed to get worse and worse. Having said that I checked out their review for this and I was very impressed, I found it very informative and balanced. I courageously and cautiously tried another review, the Kill Bill 2 soundtrack hoping for more of the same. Same old pitchfork. I'll allow these quotes from the review speak for themselves:

"guitars are brandished in a strangulating combination of Indian warcry, Hitchcockian dread, dog whistle, and recycling plant"

"a skulking ooze that slinks down the stairs and leaps to the floor, part innocent, haunted-house shiver and part libidinous excess"

Perhaps it's just me, but it seems like a lot of words saying very little.

Posted by Jesse on 2004-05-06 15:10:13
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Couldn't have said it better myself.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 6, 2004 at 2:55 PM (EDT)
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"Most people on this website are too dumb to enjoy this album."

unfortunately true.

people were expecting NYC dancepunk and Liars instead delivered arhythmic, bizarre no-wavey noise. it's heady material, a rare, true piece of art among contemoparies feigning art.

it's a testament to the artistic merit of the band that they created quite possibly the greatest modern dancepunk record with "they threw is in a trench...", yet went on to completely subvert and destroy their near flawless formula for their second record. they could've made serious waves in the mainstream, but instead took a sharp left turn and created something unique and spectacular.

more bands need balls like this.

-we

Posted by squirrelbait on 2004-05-06 13:22:16
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"Jesse is Pitchfork's bitch."

Uhm.. Pitchfork gave this a 6.3, so it's not he's giving this a maximum rating 'cause Pitchfork did the same.

Also, I thought this album's concept was based around the German Walpurgis night thing, not on New England witches.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 6, 2004 at 12:18 PM (EDT)
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a friend? bought me they threw us in a ditch for christmas. i got about 3 listens out of it. fuck this band.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 at 11:57 PM (EDT)
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this album should be burned at the stake.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 at 10:56 PM (EDT)
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"You forgot (?) to mention that this is a concept album based on the New England witch trials. Each track takes a turn taking the side of either the prosecuted "witches," or the group of Christian women accusing them of such. Very, very, amazing concept, but I think they could've done it better. For such a specific idea, the lyrics are *way* too vague, but the evil beats it gives off fit really well."

HE'S A WITCH!!

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 at 7:21 PM (EDT)
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not my thing. this album is just...everywhere.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 at 2:28 PM (EDT)
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i'm sorry, but this album is a piece of shit. it is seriously painful to listen to.
plus, angus is one creepy motherfucker. he should break up with karen o. and hook up with me.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 at 2:21 PM (EDT)
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"they threw us in a trench..." was way better

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 at 2:03 PM (EDT)
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Is that a fucking program or is someone typing in taht shit. Fuck you!

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 at 11:18 AM (EDT)
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"Only webzine music critics like this album. And we all know what webzine music critics are...dorks."

Wouldn't seem that way. Speaking of calling Jesse Pitchfork's bitch, didn't they only give this about a 6?

Posted by Jesse on 2004-05-05 10:48:16
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To be honest, I've never read a Pitchfork review, if you'd ever believe that.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 at 7:49 AM (EDT)
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Jesse is Pitchfork's bitch.

And who gives a fuck what biased mainstream mags like Spin and Rolling Stones thing? Didn't they give Hillary Duff 4 stars for her album's "honesty"? Give me a fucking break.

This score is for the Melt Banana re-issue.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 5, 2004 at 1:53 AM (EDT)
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liars are so cool that i wanna kick my mom in the face

Posted by Suge_Knight on 2004-05-05 00:28:48
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Only webzine music critics like this album. And we all know what webzine music critics are...dorks.

Posted by FortyMinutesWest on 2004-05-05 00:23:50
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Blech.

Here's an idea for a concept album, try making some music with some heart.

Posted by hungryjoe on 2004-05-04 22:59:16
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I figure the soundtrack to the apocalypse is Mogwai's "Christmas Steps".....which I contend is their best song, and just happens to be on their worst album. Discuss amongst yourselves.

Posted by SilentStorms on 2004-05-04 22:57:42
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Oh my lord I am freaking out listening to this!!! What is wrong with my mind!

Posted by Jesse on 2004-05-04 20:45:49
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Shit. I forgot to mention that part of it.

Posted by inagreendase on 2004-05-04 20:14:00
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You forgot (?) to mention that this is a concept album based on the New England witch trials. Each track takes a turn taking the side of either the prosecuted "witches," or the group of Christian women accusing them of such. Very, very, amazing concept, but I think they could've done it better. For such a specific idea, the lyrics are *way* too vague, but the evil beats it gives off fit really well.

I also really like the parts where the drumsticks click and it's just utterly raw. This won't make my top 10 because it just doesn't do as near much for me as other albums, but it's busting with creativity to the point that I can't help but acknowledge it.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 4, 2004 at 7:53 PM (EDT)
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awesome band so mad i missed them last time they came around.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 4, 2004 at 5:47 PM (EDT)
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On "They Threw Us All In a Trench," many of the songs were lumped with the dance-punk NYC heyday and some sounded a bit like early Gang of Four...according to some.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 4, 2004 at 4:34 PM (EDT)
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Gang of Four??!! Intriguing.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 4, 2004 at 4:27 PM (EDT)
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I quite enjoyed this...no more Gang of Four rips, and that's always a good sign. Definitely an acquired taste, but in the end, pretty rewarding.

Posted by squirrelbait on 2004-05-04 15:35:52
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Shit, for me this is the best album of 2004 already. It took a couple of listens but I'm completely hooked to this. This album has a totally unique vibe, kinda evil really. This is way more scary music than all those fake-ass black metal bands.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 4, 2004 at 3:12 PM (EDT)
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White Stripe B-Sides?

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 4, 2004 at 2:00 PM (EDT)
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This album is AMAZING! I just picked up Liars EP from pointfivelimeyrecords.com and it is completely different then this full length, but still absolutely AMAZING! I'll emphasize in caps one more time:
AMAZING!

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 4, 2004 at 1:07 PM (EDT)
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Most people on this website are too dumb to enjoy this album.

There, I said it you fucking morons. Go back to the mall.

Grant's Tomb.

Posted by Jesse on 2004-05-04 11:58:08
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The reason that I showed Rolling Stone and Spin's opinion is to show that this music isn't for everybody. In fact, a lot of people wouldn't even call it music. Give it a shot, I think it rips.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 4, 2004 at 11:54 AM (EDT)
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Hey Jesse,

So I guess you feel you're important enough to post and advertise your stupidity?

NED

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 4, 2004 at 11:44 AM (EDT)
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short review, but nontheless i think ill check it out.

-thriceequalsgod

Posted by MarkieStabone on 2004-05-04 11:37:16
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"Rolling Stone gave this album one star. Spin gave it an "F" and called it "unlistenable." Within 11 minutes of listening to this album it was in my Top Ten of 2004, with a chance of being number 1."

*DING DING* Scene points 10!

Posted by boldredletters on 2004-05-04 11:23:18
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I like how you went out of your way to mention how much everyone else hates this band.

i saw them live and enjoyed it, but would never listen to it on record, and if they'd taken themselves seriously, i would've just walked out.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 4, 2004 at 11:22 AM (EDT)
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I just watched the video to "There's always more room on the broom" off the website, and I don't see why you enjoyed it so much. I think I may even enjoy that Holden Caulfield band more. Half the song just sounded like my old modem dial-up tone.

Posted by Jesse on 2004-05-04 11:16:54
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There is a band called Liars Academy. No band I know of by the name of The Liars.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 4, 2004 at 11:14 AM (EDT)
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Passe...I want The Liars.

Wait, I don't know what I'm talking about.

Are there two bands?