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Bad Religion: The Empire Strikes FirstThe Empire Strikes First (2004)
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As much as The Process Of Belief was celebrated as a comeback record, one was left wondering, after all the hype and excitement of its release had passed, where Bad Religion would go from there. After all, a killer return to form twenty years into a career is quite an accomplishment, but sustaining .
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As much as The Process Of Belief was celebrated as a comeback record, one was left wondering, after all the hype and excitement of its release had passed, where Bad Religion would go from there. After all, a killer return to form twenty years into a career is quite an accomplishment, but sustaining that energy is a more difficult task entirely. More than a few people I spoke with had assumed Process would turn out to be a fitting swan song at the end of an already prolific career.

While these dire predictions fizzled rather quickly, the question remained of what form was this new era of Bad Religion would take. It turns out that life made that decision for the band, and like so many of their peers they've begun to take a very activist approach to the policies of Bush administration. There's certainly something to be said about the ability of conservative US governments to light a fire under the collective ass of the punk scene.

Yet while some bands fighting this battle have fallen into a pattern of sloganeering, Bad Religion's years of skill and insight have allowed them to craft one of the most literate statements our scene has yet made. Even The Empire Strikes First's most forthright political songs seem to be written with longevity in mind. While the band references what we've all seen repeated on the evening news they do so in a way that won't date their work when all this has passed. The title track is a perfect example, with it's sarcastic look at preemptive strike policy: "We strike first and we're unrehearsed / Here we go again to stage the greatest show on heaven and earth / Come on! Get your moneys worth." However if the war's rekindled the band's fighting spirit, the agenda of the radical religious right in has brought it to a full burn. Bad Religion truly lives up to their name with "Live Again - The Fall Of Man," "God's Love" and "Atheist Peace" among others. Yet again these messages are delivered with the poise and wisdom other bands never approach. Greg Graffin's soul-searching lyricism is at the same time thoughtful and indignant.

This record stands testament to the greatness that is the Graffin / Gurewitz songwriting team. The duo has always been known for putting together huge, memorable melodic punk rock songs and this is no exception. The single "Los Angeles Is Burning" has the type of chorus you start singing to yourself without realizing. "All There Is" features one of the band's most accomplished arrangements in recent memory. Graffin sings "Contend upon a rail of pain for just a pail of rain" with a wonderfully pleasing harmony and one of those prefect pauses before the band explodes into the chorus. Drummer Brooks Wackerman continues to amaze, particularly in the raging "Sinister Rouge." The double bass drumming is new for the band, one of a few tricks they try out successfully on the record. "Beyond Electric Dreams" features some tasteful electronic work from Mr. Brett's co-conspirators in Error. Street poet Sage Francis guests on "Let Them Eat War" in what's a surprisingly well-integrated hip-hop contribution to a rock song. The track is highlight of the record, showcasing the interplay between the band's three guitarists and lyrically tackling the social impact of religion, poverty and war.

The bottom line is that Bad Religion sounds amazing here. Throughout their Atlantic years the criticism always lingered that their recorded output simply didn't live up the Suffer era in terms of energy and drive. While this doesn't stylistically return to that territory, it shows the band charging forward with their guns blazing and that puts to rest any nostalgic urge for them to retread on their past. Like Process before it, The Empire Strikes First shows Bad Religion on top of their game, neither dwelling on their early glories nor held back by their late 90s slump. This is every bit as exciting, rocking and relevant as one would hope.

Bad Religion - Sinister Rouge
Bad Religion - Let Them Eat War
The Empire Strikes First Micro-Site

 

 
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Let_Yourself_Be_Heard (December 11, 2012)

I like this record infinitely more than New Maps of Hell. I think the obvious topical nature of the record brings out some of their best lyrics. It isn't as consistent as Process of Belief may be, but a very solid record I must say.

notverytoughguy (May 3, 2012)

Just got this album for the first time, immediately recognized the badassery. awesome. frickin. record.

majorthreat (October 29, 2011)

Best 21st century BR album

aniattack (June 17, 2011)

bad assssssssssssssssssssssss record

itsambertime (April 11, 2010)

Their best record!

StandAlone (October 3, 2009)

This is one of the best albums of there career. As well as one of the best albums I have heard in a long time.

dbug (February 23, 2009)

I don't understand how someone can say that this band has lost it's edge when, realistically, they really only have one style..and it hasn't changed...and that's the style that everyone can't get enough of, I sure can't!! SHIT!! i give it a solid TEN! No doubt about it!!

fletcher70 (September 27, 2008)

yet another masterpiece

thomas7155 (November 19, 2007)

My first Punk rock album. Absolutely incredible. It still blows my mind. I like "Let them Eat War" and "Los Angeles Is Burning" best.

MetalHeadMike (September 19, 2007)

They were at their best when The Process of Beleif was produced. I'm sorry to say it but This once glorious punk band has lost their touch after 20 some odd albums.

R.I.P. Bad Religion

wyzo (September 19, 2006)

brooks wackerman really adds a huge dose of energy to this record.

good record, both this and POB would be pitch perfect except for the 2 or so songs on each record that are nothing but a repetitive vocal hook draped on a skeleton of a song. The last track on this one is a decent melody, but its simple to the point of why bothering to record it, or make that transition to something that is a full, living song when its basically the chorus over and over, and the chorus is a one trick pony.

POB's track like this is "The Lie". A soaring pop hook, but again its in the form of a repetitive vocal hook that just loops over and over with very little to be said of a 'bridge' between cycles.

Sometimes they pull off this juggling of longer, shorter songs, aggression then a pop track (See: Evangeline or The Quickening from this one), but those songs could have been replaced by the quite good b-sides and improved the records tremendously.

Hoping the 3rd re-newed brett/greg record is the charm.

-wyzo

KungPowza (June 7, 2006)

The more I listen to the album, the more I love it. I was hooked from Sinister Rogue, but that's not the only great song on here.

PuNkRoCkEr_TiL_DeAtH (April 30, 2006)

Wow....I hate you already.

But see here, Mr. Fuckwit, you OWE Bad religion, and i say that assuming you like punk rock. Bad Religion resurrected(or at least re-energized) an entire genre with just one album. But the problem is that this particular album was released nearly 20 years ago, and I haven't been able to find it anywhere. I would KILL for that album. Of course, I am talking about 'Suffer'.

'The Empire Strikes First' is to me a huge step forward for Bad Religion. An epic album, to say the least. An album that seems powerful enough to change the world. It certainly changed me.

So next time you decide to criticize Bad Religion, don't. Its no't like you couldn't be any more stupid.

By the way Adam, great review. It's nice to know someone out there thinks the same way I do.

-Sam

Anonymous (April 3, 2006)

Bad Religion are crap, this is a perfect example of liking a band cuz u think u have to, they sound like your dad trying to sing punk rock, it sounds forced all the time and just doesnt sound like they mean it.

Anonymous (March 3, 2006)

great album

TheWise (March 2, 2006)

Their is no better album ever made!
I defy you to name a better album, cuz you can't.
BR have several albums that are as good as this, but it doesn't get better. I saw them for the first time last November in Kitchener, Ontario, and it was worth every second of the wait.

NotDead (February 16, 2006)

fuckin legends all there albums are superb quite possibly one of the greatest bands of recent times and still havent lost the edge after all these years!

charmander (December 2, 2005)

Good to see that they're still making music. This record just doesn't have the same energy as the earlier stuff.

Anonymous (November 13, 2005)

They suck there last good album was 80-85.

tonisk8boarding (November 7, 2005)

very very very good!!!!!!!

Anonymous (September 9, 2005)

People who call this band formulaic have no idea what they are talking about. Every single album has a different feel to it and you can tell easily, that is of course unless you are already biased and refuse to listen any closer. Your fucking ears must be broken.

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

It's a good album. But far from the best BR ever put out. There are a lot of ups and downs on this one.

The first 4 songs are damn catchy. Great lyrics as always with BR, speedy drums, great oozin ah's and choruses. Great songs.

"Los Angeles is burning" is very catchy, Gregs voice sounds really good on this one. It's not a fast song, but it sure sounds good.

"Let them eat war" some rapper raps in this one, at first i thought it sucked really hard. I hate rap, but its not innoying in this song, it kinda fits in. Otherwise it's a really good drive in the song and it's lyrics are very true.

But then it starts to fall down. You can say that the A-side on it, (if it was an LP) is amazing.
But then when you come to the B-side it just feels like something's missing. A few good songs ("Quickening" and "The fall of man") , and a few not so good.

"To another abyss" I mean it's a good song, but it feels like it never stops. It just goes on for too long.

"Empire strikes first" is just too sleepy, I don't like this one.

"Beyond electric dreams" is good for 2 minutes that I just goes on and on with some shit, don't know what the hell that's about.

"Boot stamping on..." is really slow rock song, sometimes I like, sometimes I don't. Depends on which mood you're in.

I saw BR in Stockholm a few days ago and I will say that they're still rocking very hard. And it inspired me to write a little bit about this album.

This album is worth buying, i bought the day it came out and I'm not disapointed. Some fast songs, some slower songs, some great choruses, some great backing vocals and ofcourse great lyrics and vocals by Greg.

vivid (August 9, 2005)

their best album, beyond electric dreams is amazing

chelle (May 6, 2005)

this band is awesome i give them a 10...

Anonymous (May 3, 2005)

this has got to be one of the worst bad religion albums i really didnt like this one
to me its a little to emoish
i loved almost all of their other albums but not this one...

Anonymous (December 30, 2004)

I have never heard bad religion before. but i bought the album cause all my friends said it rocked. and i have to agre with them.
this band plays so fast with perfect riffs and a perfect drum parts. greg has this great tough voice that hipnotizes.
so as a first time BR listener, i have to say i have found a band that has all the stuff im lookin for.
P.S.---and gods love is amazing

Tina (November 17, 2004)

I thought this was one of the better albums of Bad Religion's. I enjoy it very much.

Anonymous (November 9, 2004)

Well, what can I say? Bad Religion was a very good band and have relesed one good album after another. When The Gray Race went out - despite many great songs it had - it was flawed (maybe in relation to Brets exodus) by the first signs of a change... and a negative change in my opinnion. The music started to get calmer and slower, and what's most important - that music didn't really sound good. Their lowest point was "The New America" album. Anyone who compared "1000 Memories" song with... shall we say: "Operation Rescue" (of "Against the Grain") for instance should get the picture. So when I thought that they couldn't get much worse than that, I was actually right, because "The Process of Belie"f was a big suprise for me. Listening to the fast-paced "Supersonic" momentarily reminded me everything I loved about Bad Religion. If I would to compare The Process of Belief with any other BR album I would definatly compare it with The Gray Race. Because it still had some of those not-too-good songs (sort of a heritage of The New America), but there were a DEFINITE signs of a somewhat "back to the roots" aim.
As for The Empire Strikes First? I was very enthusiastic about this one. Especialy because it was going to verify which way BR really wants to go (Oh, yeah - and I never worried about the lyrics. I knew that one thing Bad Religion can't screw up are the lyrics). Sadly this (The Empire Strikes First album) seems more like a step in the direction of "The New America" than "Stranger than Fiction" or "Against the Grain". It was a big suprise for me since "The Process of Believe" actually implied a back-to-the-roots change. There are still a couple of good songs on this one - like "Let Them Eat War" or "God's Love", but most of them (againly) don't have the energy (or melody) that the songs of far older albums did. So I think that's so much for renual (or "reoldal" actually). Another interesting matter are the lyrics on this album. They have truly gone very political and very straight - something I never expirienced before on their albums. Many people say that they have always been a political band - maybe so, but I've never seen it expressed so clearly in their lyrics... 'till now that is. Whether this is good or bad, I don't know. I suppose they're just expressing what they feel and think, so there's no reason for that to be wrong (I just don't understand why they haven't done it before then). What really got me firstly confused, then amazed (or maybe the other way around) was a part of an interview I read on badreligion.com about Bad Religion persuading fans to vote against George Bush. This one really made (and still makes) me wonder. Because it somehow totally doesn't fit to the image of the band I had all along.
As for the album? I noticed BR fans are generally distinguished into two categories. One (like me) who prefer the older records, and the other who think the new ones are just as good. Therefore if you like records like "No Substance" and "The New America" you should like this album as well. If you think that the above was the ones of their worst, or at least not too good I advise you to pass... on this one, and buy some of their older albums; because these guys really deserve it for the great work they've done for so many years and (hopefully) the great work they are about to make in the future.

Anonymous (September 23, 2004)

Poetry in Motion!

buttbadgeronfire (September 3, 2004)

Great album. Can't wait till they come to Norfolk with Rise Against. My favorites ongs on this are Atheist Peace, All There Is, Los Angelos is Burning, and Live Again.

*buttbadger*

bigugly (August 12, 2004)

I am happy to say that this is the first Bad Religion recording since "Against the Grain" that I've been able to, not only sit all the way through, but actually enjoy!

It's not a complete return to form of the "Golden Years" of Suffer, No Control, et al, but this cd lacks most of the sappiness and cliche that had drove me away from the fold.

klasticono (July 19, 2004)

That was kind of Brett, since it seems he's the one with an ear for a hit song. I usually like Greg's songs better, but those are a lot less likely to end up on radio playlists (the only single I can think of written by Graffin alone -- not including the time Brett was out of the band, of course -- is "Struck a Nerve").

Anonymous (July 17, 2004)

klasticono: They wrote the songs seperately. "Officially" it says they co-wrote, so that each gets equal pay. (Songwriters gets paid each time their songs are played on the radio, tv.)

klasticono (July 14, 2004)

I am a musician, and rather than that making me view Bad Religion more negatively, it makes me more in awe of them. Listening to a band like BR is frustrating, because it makes you think, "Why am I even trying? No matter how hard I try, how could I ever create something that could stand up to 'Suffer' or 'Generator'?"

Anonymous (July 13, 2004)

Ok so yeah, this album sounds alot like their other ones. It incorporates mixtures of their older sound with their newer sound and some of the riffs sound like some of their other songs. Sure, theyve had the same messages forever and the lyrics, while pretty good, are more of the same themes as their old ones, but so are Hitchcock's films. The truth is though that Bad Religion are still good at what they do. They are still tight and know how to write songs. The harmonies and melodies here are great. I personally think that the last album was a little boring and sappy, "She was barely a teen just a part of the scene"? Come on. This albums sounds a lot better than that one too. My question is, for all of you that think this albums sucks or sounds the same, WHATS GOOD? What bands do you like that don't sound the same?

Maybe I would be more critical of BR or punk in general if i was a musician. Being a film student/maker I am very critical of movies, alot more critical than alot of other people. The way we view films is completely different though, at least in the theater. You sit and watch a bright screen in a room full of darkness. You are forced to pay more attention to every little detail and its easier to get bored. I for one listen to music mostly in the car. So of course I can't pay EXCRUCIATING attention to every little wave of sound emamating from my stereo.

~Jason Argonaut

klasticono (July 9, 2004)

OK, I know I just commented on this album within the last hour, but then I read everyone else's comments.... Who the hell are these people saying that The Empire Strikes First is recycled? I don't think the band's sound has changed as much since it did between Back to the Known and Suffer.... There's Brooks' insane drumming, which really stands out on this album (moreso than on the last one, probably, because he's been in the band longer and I imagine he was more involved in the creative process this time around) and the repeated use of digital effects on the vocals and music, there's a rap cameo (which is surprisingly good lyrically and fits well with the song) and Bad Religion's best harmonies and melodies ever. Also, the three-guitar lineup comes through from time to time (again, you probably notice that more on TESF than on TPOB because it is this lineup's second effort).

While all of the classic BR elements are still in place, this record introduced several new wrinkles that give it a distinct sound. Granted, you'll be reminded of previous efforts at times (usually for the worse rather than the better). For example, my two least favorite tracks, "LA is Burning" and "To Another Abyss" remind me of The New America, hands down the worst BR album ever released. I also hear a lot of The Process of Belief in this, but it shouldn't come as a surprise that the band sounds most similar to its past two releases.

The music doesn't sound it did when the band was at its peak (No Control, Suffer), save for the very basics. And when you invent a sound as great as Bad Religion did back then, you shouldn't throw it all away!

P.S. -- In response to Janelle's post a little way's down, I never understood how anyone could rate "How Could Hell" as BR's best. It was great for what it was, a first album from some kids with a lot of potential but hardly any polish. Musically, it wasn't really anything new or impressive (though not bad hardcore) and lyrically, the guys had a lot of room to grow.

Anonymous (July 9, 2004)

Yeah. I hated this album when I first listened to it also... and talked a fair amount of shit about it (oops). But then I saw it on sale and picked it up and it's really aged well. It seems like the lyrics are more musical - without giving up that special Bad Religion sound. The music is also a lot "deeper" than on some of their past releases with some really great arrangements.

I'm not sure that it beats out 'No Control' as my favorite, but I definitely was wrong about this album being "just another" Bad Relgion album.

klasticono (July 9, 2004)

Bad Religion's pretty much always been my favorite band, but when I first heard this album (a couple of months before the release date, thanks to Soulseek), I was disappointed, mostly because of the digital production and some of what I perceived as lyricism that was too blatant and cliche (the title track for example) to come from minds like Greg's or Brett's.

But after repeated listening, I got hooked on the catchiness of the album (there isn't a single track that doesn't beg for you to sing along with it, and songs like "All There Is", "Beyond Electric Dreams" and "Live Again" feature some of BR's best choruses ever). And the more I listen to the record, the more I realize how insightful and beautifully poetic it is. While a few stray lines gave me a bad first impression (again, mostly in the title track), I think the album boasts Bad Religion's best overall writing since Generator. Throughout the album, the group addresses the current political issues and the USA's wars with intelligence very few other bands could even attempt (and often, you wouldn't even recognize this until looking deeper into several of the songs that aren't as straightforward as the title track or Let Them Eat War). I also like the literary references sprinkled throughout, nice touch.

What I find really interesting about the album is that it is credited as being written by Brett and Greg (with co-writers on a few tracks) but Gurewitz and Graffin aren't given any individual credit on specific tracks like they usually are. Does anyone know if they actually sat down and wrote the album together or if there are about half a dozen by each of them with maybe a collaberation here or there? Some of BR's best songs have been credited to them as a team (American Jesus, Suffer, etc.), but it seems like they only co-write one or two songs per album.

Best tracks: Beyond Electric Dreams, Sinister Rouge, All There Is, Live Again

Anonymous (July 9, 2004)

I want Greg to eat my cock - this cd is great - I take it in the ass to this cd,

Anonymous (July 9, 2004)

I didn't think that this record would be so good. respect.

chrisafi (July 2, 2004)

AGAIN Bad Religion kick.
And every song screaming messages to the masses

"Let them eat war - That's how to ration the poor"

Classic BR.

Anonymous (July 1, 2004)

"But even ten million souls marching in February couldn't stop the worst"

Brilliant.

That line and the whole album.

Anonymous (June 30, 2004)

Truly the most influential band ever, Bad Religion does it again with this one. They set my soul afire.

Anonymous (June 24, 2004)

I own every single Bad Religion Album , and yes this album is the kind of thing I have come ot expect. and thats great!
_RevChris

sprainedsoul (June 21, 2004)

With BR, you know what you're going to get. Most of the 90s were such a wash for this band, it's great to see them have a return to form. "Los Angeles Is Burning" is one of the strongest tracks they've recorded in years. Warped is going to be a great warmup for them, but I'm looking forward to seeing BR tour properly ...

xLetThemEatWarx (June 18, 2004)

i don't know why some BR fans bitch about all their cds sounding too similar...well when they went out and tried to make a different sounding cd with slower tones and pianos in "Into The Unknown" the fans complained that they didn't like it! make up your fucking minds...It's like damned if you do damned if you don't...BR Great cd but i still think POB and RFH still are a little better...

P.S. THERE WILL NEVER BE A BAND LIKE THIS IN THE HISTORY OF PUNK, NO WAY NO HOW, STOP BITCHING AND ENJOY THE MUSIC and if you don't like the music don't buy the cd..(so called punks, yea right)

Anonymous (June 18, 2004)

mmm, Im a very fan of this band , but i think they are just old, i dont think the music on this album will surprise you, If you are a very fan , buy it but...
i dont know it just sounds like so produced and so digital for a band like bad religion...

bemused (June 15, 2004)

This album Rocks!!

I like when Graffin uses nofx's "This is not a test of the emergency broadcast system" and op ivy's "so take warning".
Let them Eat War is such a great song. Props for Brook's druming on that one

-chris-

Anonymous (June 15, 2004)

People who don't like this album need help as soon as they can get it. This is a superb record, although the title track sounds like "21st Century Digital Boy" and the last song reminded me of "Sorrow" - still it's brilliant, better than Process and their best album since Recipe For Hate (underrated)

Joe

Anonymous (June 14, 2004)

Great cd,

I love how Graffin sings "How could hell be anyworse?" in "Los Angeles is Burning", Sage Francis at the end of "Let Them Eat War" is awesome, I like the way he sings the word is in "All There Is" and "Boot Stamping On A Human Face Forever" is a great song.

Anonymous (June 14, 2004)

Great album.

I think the people who complain about the formula and such in BR's music are missing the point. BR has always been more about the message rather than the actual music. So, with the music being a tad bit repetitive doesn't bother me because I know the concentration is more on the message rather than the music.

My only complaint about this album are the lyrics. At times, they can be pretty lame, but, at the same time, Brett can also be poetic. So, I suppose it all balances out.

CallingLondon (June 14, 2004)

album rocks. end of story.

colin (June 14, 2004)

i'm trying to figure out where any visitor of punknews.org would get off trying to give this a low score.

this album is ridiculously good. probably will be up there with green day and circle takes the square with records of the year.

hell, if green day's new disc is half as good as this i'll be happy.

Anonymous (June 14, 2004)

This record's okay but definately not as great as NC,ATG,G,RFH,STF,TGR.
TPOB was a really good comeback but maybe it's time for me as an old fan to move on.
Rock on!

Anonymous (June 14, 2004)

This album is alright. I still think POB was better though. there are some tracks which kind of lose me 20 seconds in. However, songs like Sinister Rouge keep you really happy

Anonymous (June 14, 2004)

There is no message in this band except buy our record it's fast again,we're back on Epitaph,Brett's back,download our video,call KROQ and remember never sell out to the majors.
bla,bla.........

Anonymous (June 14, 2004)

There is no message in this band except buy our record it's fast again,we're back on Epitaph,Brett's back,download our video,call KROQ and remember never sell out to the majors.
bla,bla.........

Anonymous (June 13, 2004)

"And just what is Bad Religions message?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"

How do you figure?

Anonymous (June 13, 2004)

And just what is Bad Religions message?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

mikeinflames (June 13, 2004)

i can agree that unlike most bands out there today Bad Religion do and always have and a very strong and positive message in thier music (at least lyrically)
but as for the actual music ... pretty much every album sounds the same
Mr. Graffin really sound put out a spoken word album or something

Anonymous (June 13, 2004)

This is puuuuuure punk biiitch!!

Anonymous (June 13, 2004)

I'm happy I was able to get a promo copy, after a few listens I find Empire to be quite boring compared to Process Of Belief.

It's better to burn out then fade away.

Anonymous (June 13, 2004)

What sound are you talking about dude?

Anonymous (June 12, 2004)

While other bands, most notably acts like Anti-Flag, recycle ideas using catchy hooks and cliched catch phrases, one can defend them by asserting that at least they are saying what needs to be said and what the mainstream would never dare to say. Bad Religion, on the other hand, transcends the likes of such lesser-thans by writing music that ranges from righteously indignant to inspiring in its dissent. Graffin writes with anger and disbelief yet few have ever been more poetic or eloquent. At the same time, the band has found the sound they've been searching for for about a decade. Stellar release and it couldn't have come at a more important time.

Anonymous (June 12, 2004)

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Anonymous (June 12, 2004)

OMGZ!! JAUA JAUA JAUA THEY RULKE I LOVE JAUA.

everyone seriously. this band is the FOLK equivilent to BAD RELIGION!

Anonymous (June 12, 2004)

www.stereokiller.com/bands/JAUA

Anonymous (June 12, 2004)

www.stereokiller.com/bands/JAUA

Anonymous (June 12, 2004)

Very simple this just plain sucks!

Anonymous (June 12, 2004)

Very simple this just plain sucks!

Anonymous (June 12, 2004)

how can anyone dislike this cd?

Anonymous (June 12, 2004)

Are BR now going metal ?
Oh great that's the right step guys !
I'll pass on this one

METAL?!?! Man, you must have your genres all messed up.

Haggard (June 12, 2004)

"Are BR now going metal ?
Oh great that's the right step guys !
I'll pass on this one"

You're an imbecile.

-Justin

Anonymous (June 12, 2004)

"I'm still looking for shit by Siege and Deep Wound."

SIEGE IS GOOD! one o the two man guys lemme hear it...
I was supposed to give him U.D.O. 'Nailed to Metal' (which i so kindly did..."Balls to the Wall"!) for it, but he forgot to give it to me before tour... bah
-Janelle

Anonymous (June 12, 2004)

Are BR now going metal ?
Oh great that's the right step guys !
I'll pass on this one

Anonymous (June 12, 2004)

I thought you all said this record was good?
I just don't get this band anymore.....

Anonymous (June 12, 2004)

Great review and great album. "Let The Eat War" is probably my fav song so far.

And what adam says is true. The mew Tiger Army album is hot stuff. The best album Hellcat's gonna release this year (besides the Hepcat re-relase, but it doesn't count).

Ramo

BSD (June 11, 2004)

I'm still looking for shit by Siege and Deep Wound.

Anonymous (June 11, 2004)

BSD is the most diabolical hater on this entire site. He is bar none the biggest hater on Earth. Dare I say, bar none the biggest hater in this nebulus.

Anonymous (June 11, 2004)

I love how BSD can defend himself almost single handedly against an entire board full of haters.

Speaking of formulas, anybody familiar with Yacopsae? German turbo-thrash, possibly one of the hardest bands I have ever heard. Oh yeah, they put out an awesome pop-punk album in 2003 just to fuck with people. Love that shit.

-Ken

Anonymous (June 11, 2004)

Jesus Christ this album blows!!!

Anonymous (June 11, 2004)

Bad Religion is not for everyone but they are certainly awesome and much different than ANY band I've ever heard. Screw the shit talkers. You don't like em? Then do better or shut it. This album rocks.

Anonymous (June 11, 2004)

"The actual artwork on the new Atreyu album is a lot worse than the banner ad."

Yeah, I know. I just hate seeing it up there too.

Droo (June 11, 2004)

as far as the rating for this album goes - good/bad who gives a shit.

Droo (June 11, 2004)

Please seperate punk and rock, folx. punk is a mindset; music, fashion, whatever will follow.

Punk is dead - only if we make it so.

FortyMinutesWest (June 11, 2004)

The actual artwork on the new Atreyu album is a lot worse than the banner ad.

BSD (June 11, 2004)

How disgusting is the idea behind Boston Beatdown?

Anonymous (June 11, 2004)

how disgusting is the artwork for atreyu's new one? hate it. i really do wish the banner at the top of the site would stop on that one.

Anonymous (June 11, 2004)

I love double bass.

Anonymous (June 11, 2004)

mamaus :)

Jesse (June 11, 2004)

I've never liked Bad Religion. It's basic punk with thick vocal harmonies. It's never sounded different. And the kids love it. Who knew?

It's funny. As much as you dislike me and my reviewing, BSD, we really share the same opinions about a lot of music.

Anonymous (June 11, 2004)

To the dude below "I HATE METAL and I HATE DOUBLE BASSDRUM"!!!!
I also hate this record FUCK YOU!!!

Anonymous (June 11, 2004)

I kinda tend to agree with some of the stuff the dude below with the long parapgraphs said even though his English sound Quebecois ;) (but thats ok I am too). Bad Religion has been very important and influential to the seen whether you like them or not. Greg an dBrett have alot of things to say and in my opionion they say them very well and most of the songs make you stop and think. 9/10 for the album.

gladimnotemo (June 11, 2004)

so...I'm supposed to re-rate this album, and Bad Religion in general, because that guy wrote 5 paragraphs?

I thought we already established that comments aren't going to change anybodys' minds. To me, after reading 40 pages of comments.....they still sound the same! *gasp*

Anonymous (June 11, 2004)

It sucks.

BSD (June 11, 2004)

I used to eat Peanut Butter and Jelly sandwiches every day but I got sick of them quickly.

Anonymous (June 11, 2004)

To bad I will make a long post, that will stop most of the people who SHOULD read this coment to actually read it but hell, I had to say something...

It's sort of sad to see how evry people who doesn't like either the album or the band never develop their point, and instead say "It sucks, end of the case." or "That should have stoped making music a long time ago". Even if I know it's kinda useless to do this, as people I write this coment for will surelly not read it, but I just feal I have to answer some coment I unfortunatly read on this page.

First of all, evryone who doesnt like BR keep saying over and over that each of their album sound exactelly the same. Sure, they do have a structure of slow-med-fast tempo they like to keep, whats wrong with that? BR sounds like BR, and band X sound like band X. If i'm listening to BR, I want it to sound like BR, not something else. If I wanted to listen to something else, I'd change CD, and listen to something else. But I just can't see how 2 song of the same kind of tempo (I.E. another abyss/epiphany -slow, Live again/In so many ways -med, supersonic/social suicide -fast) can sounds exactelly alike, someone will have to explain me this... Of course there are some song with that look alike beatwise (Can't stop it/Sinister rouge for exemple), but after 13 albums and countless side songs, who can blame them? And beside, having 2 song looking alike doesn't make one of them any worse, if a great song look like another great song, how does this make them bad?

Another thing I NEED to say, is to reply to the one who said that sinister rouge's lyric are stupid... Does that person have ANY idea what this song talks about? I supose not...

And I must say, how could a band sing the same thing for 20 years and still be one of the greatest and most popular punk rock band of all? That couldn't happen, and for being a really hold BR fan, I can say that "How could hell" doesnt sound at all like "Suffer", witch doesnt sound at all like "Generator", and "The grey Race" have nothing in common with "Process of Belief". If someone say it does, well that person probably never listened to those record more than 3 or 4 times.

On the political side, BR was never a political band to start with, so when people are talking about Greg being a radical left or trying to force people to vote democrat, these people have obviously no idea what they are talking about. Greg never stated his political view in his songs, all he does is saying where and what are the troubles and an idea on how thing should be for a better world to us all. And never does he say to vote democrat, all he's saying is to vote Bush out of the office wich you all agree with me, is something that must be done.

Also, there's a guy somewhere who said Greg has never done anything more than stating the obvious... First of all, thats what every lyrics of every song that has been made is all about. The differance lies in the way to say it, the meaning hidden behind the words. But honestly, can someone who speaks of "Entropy" and truth being "Stranger then fiction" really speaks only of obvious things? I don't think so. And to those saying that BR never give any valid answer to those problems, I say this: Of course they don't, if they had, you would be bitching about how they try to lead and point direction to people while they claim in many of their songs that this is what they fight against (no direction, against the grain ect.)

A litle personal note on BR. Greg studies and his natural talent to say what he want to gave him insight and songwriting ability that few could dream of ever acheiving. The subjects he develop on are wide and expressed diferently every time. Poeple should really stop and sit to read the lyrics and think about their meaning. Maybe if we all did and think a bit for a change the world would indeed be a better place. Greg never expected to change the world with a song, only the people living in it by making them think and wonder instead of talking shit about everyone and feeding on whatever society/religion tells us to eat. Thats my 2 cents.

All right, enough answering to the stupids comments, time for mine. This album is not their best, but it's good. 8/10. The double bassdrum sounds great, the alternate tempo from song to song is still as good and melodically wonderfull for the ears. The lyrics aren't their best, although there's some really nice (live again for exemple) one in there. But I'll have to think more about them, sometimes when I'm really in it I still discover things on song as hold as "Entropy" or "I want something more" that I had never noticed before. A really great feeling I must say...

Anyway, I had a chcolate sunday yeaterday, and it was really great. I will make myself another one tomorow, exactelly the same and I can bet you it will taste as good as the first one. And I will never get tired of eating them. You can't see where i'm going with my sunday story? Then maybe you need to learn how to think some more...

PS: People should really learn to give their opinion instead of trying to state facts that doesnt make sence or have no valid point (like saying "I don't like it because..." instead of "It sucks, final answer.").

TahoeJeff (June 11, 2004)

minor threat...nice

Anonymous (June 11, 2004)

I was once just like you
But I've got better things to do
Like sit around and fuck my head
Hang out with the living dead
In a few years, I may just use a crutch

I'm not straight edge

notfeelingcreative (June 11, 2004)

I love recipe for hate, but I think calling "New America" mediocre is giving it way too much credit!

BSD (June 11, 2004)

On a second thought, I think I'm going to sell all of my oldschool hardcore 7 inches and albums and just go Saddle Creek.

Anonymous (June 11, 2004)

I think it's really funny that so-called Bad Religion fans call this album "formulaic". The Empire Strikes First is completely different sounding than any of their other albums. Ever heard slow songs like these before? Not like this you haven't. I think it's amazing and even while some songs have a weak spot or two, that doesn't take away from the overall quality of the record. The experimental portions are a great addition. Yes, that includes the rap portion on Let Them Eat War. You want to talk about a mediocre album? Then talk about Recipe For Hate or The New America. This one rocks.

Anonymous (June 11, 2004)

Damn it, I keep having to sign back in!
-notfeelingcreative

Anonymous (June 11, 2004)

"The only ones complaining about Bad Religion are the fucking boring post-rock kids who jack off to the noise solos of (ugh) Sonic Youth and love (shudder) Cursive."

I always wondered what, all the BR haters listened to, now that I know, iI'm proud to be a bad religion fan (although I do like a couple of sonic youth records).

FortyMinutesWest (June 11, 2004)

"Ragtime fanatic"

Two words I never thought I'd see together.

BSD (June 10, 2004)

I think I'm going to reinvent myself as an introverted ragtime fanatic.

FortyMinutesWest (June 10, 2004)

It wouldn't surprise me if you reinvented yourself again, BSD. You're like the Madonna of attention whoring internet elitists.

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

Well it says a lot when I think such a comment could come from you.

BSD (June 10, 2004)

That comment wasn't by me... I bet someone's gettin' a pretty big laugh about now! But I'll just log in from now on!

RondoMondo (June 10, 2004)

Ba da da da da, I'm lovin' it.

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

Why does everyone hate me?Im just a kid who likes emo
-BSD

I hate you because of attention seeking comments such as that.

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

I hope this is the last record because let's face the facts here kiddies Punk rock and all bands(NOFX,Pennywise,Rancid,AFI,Warped Tours,etc,etc) are all overpayed and overbloated embarassments to the human race as we see it today.

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

The only ones complaining about Bad Religion are the fucking boring post-rock kids who jack off to the noise solos of (ugh) Sonic Youth and love (shudder) Cursive.

-BSD

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

"They're are only a few good punk bands left, and even they are starting to suck."

Only if you buy exclusively from Epitaph/Hellcat/Fat!

-BSD

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

"Anyways, yea, BR's lyrics are usually shit. People think because Graffin is almost upfront about things, he's some kind of genius. He states the obvious - Bush sucks, religion sucks (although his views on all religion are based on pricks like Benny Hinn, Pat Robertson, etc.), the world sucks, blah blah blah. He's never offered valid answers to any problems. "

Hate to break it to ya but if he knew the answers he wouldn't be singing in his band he would be acting on them. the point of his lyrics are to make people aware, so that hopefully someone can figure it out....the more minds the better chance of an answer. i'm gonna get this cd soon

TahoeJeff (June 10, 2004)

This is ridiculous..seriously. Everybody keeps saying BR sounds the same. How many bands out there constantly reinvent themselves with each new record? This formula works...Bad religions career can attest to this. These guys make good, quality music. Whether you like it or not these guys helped form punk rock into what it is today. In 20 years if all these ridiculous Screamo and pop punk bands are still around, and I seriously doubt that...I'm sure you will be there saying, this all sounds the same. Furthermore, I challenge anyone who says this sounds the same to create something better....

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

Bad Religion sucks. Case closed. Punk rock is dead. They're are only a few good punk bands left, and even they are starting to suck.

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

Oh, to the guy who asks about the limited edition of the album, the DVD with it, just contains the first 20 minutes of footage of the "Along the Way" DVD..

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

If Bad Religion is saying the same things for two decades, it means the people out there doesn't get them. It's pretty ridicolous to complain to a group for being faithful to its sane and strong ideas. I also defy every single "so called" punk group to survive for two decades, having so motivated followers. Bad Religion may not now much about politics, but they know a lot about how life works. And that's not really common. They don't talk shit like most of the bands out there. It's simple.

Anyway, straight to the review of this one album:
I must say I expected something more from the new album. I expected more substance.. I'm a bit disappointed with some of Gurewitz's songs, especially with the title track, which is a mix of old BR and some other group's songs. The percussions in the intro remind me of Offspring's "Change the world", the rythm is the same as the one of "21st Century Digital Boy", and it seems the lyrics have been done with too much sufficience, especially if you read Gurewitz's old lyrics.
About the production: I think it's too"clean".. they could do a better work.
Here finish the bad thoughts about this album..
Atheist Peace became one of my favourites.. This is the essence of Graffin songs. Fast, simple, direct.. A perfect Bad Religion song. God's love follows, with a justified anger against religious followers. Others of my favourites, are Social Suicide (best song by Gurewitz on this album), Sinister Rouge, then all the others.. I have no comment for the people who criticizes those 20 seconds of pseudo-hip hop in Let them eat war.....

Now the conclusions: OK, this isn't the best BR album. Overall, I think they did an average job. They can do better, and I'm sure they will do a great follow up.. I had the feeling these guys know who they are, for the people who like them, and I felt a little of opportunism on this, especially by Gurewitz.. I hope it's not true.. but, hey, anyway, they are here to spread again their good messages, and this is what matters.
Good job, BR.. I'll wait for the next album.. And there will be.. While tens of other groups keep breaking up!

adam (June 10, 2004)

lieutenant: "Just a question though, as I have a record store promo copy, I am left without a DVD (I think the retail version comes with one?) -- What am I missing"

My version has no DVD and it's not a promo. So I'm not really sure if one exists.

anon: "one of the best reviews written on this site. good job. i thought he was too kind with the rating though."

Thank you :). I'm a pretty big Bad Religion fan so I don't doubt the star rating may have been lower if someone else had done the review. Star ratings are dumb anyways.

BSD: I love you man. Seriously.

-adam

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

****This makes no sense to me. There are a BILLION bands which sound exactly like the Ramones, but they always get bad reviews and tons of criticism - but when Bad Religion turns out yet another CD that sounds exactly the same people call it the "album of the year." ****

this is one of the dumbest comments ever posted.

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

really good album... that's all - im going to play it once more...and l.a is burning....

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

Can someone name a band that change their style on every new album? Cause i cant.... and i know many bands....

Theres no place where ignorants cant express themselves, its sooooo sad..

lieutenant (June 10, 2004)

This is truly an incredible album for a Bad Religion fan, no less perfect for an evening stroll across the downtown scape and the street parklife in between.

Just a question though, as I have a record store promo copy, I am left without a DVD (I think the retail version comes with one?) -- What am I missing?

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

Why does everyone hate me?Im just a kid who likes emo
-BSD

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

seeing as i am now an official "new hybrid" punk, after taking the quiz, i am going to be punk and diss up these freakin bad religion people...THEY SUCK! HAHAHAHAHHA i am going against the grain, so i am punk right? hahahahahaha jjk

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

Sorry, I forgot to sign my name on the post below.

Mr. Kenzington

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

The people who say "BR sucks, listen to Starbucks Music for the Plastic Generation like Cursive!" are oblivious to how DONE bands like Cursive are. It's been done before, they're just making it boring.

-BSD

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

"Someone who posts by the name BSD wrote below that punk was all about formula - probably the most idiotic comment I have ever seen on this site.

Yes, formula is a part of music - all music. But while it's hard to put a finger on exactly what makes punk music "punk" there's no question but that innovation and passion are an essential part of that. Did you think the only difference between "punk" and "mainstream" was the hair style? This is the reason why it's such a tragedy when a band blatantly rips-off another band's' sound.

Bad Religion themselves used to make music that was passionate and was innovative - music that was revolutionary at the time - but that was nearly 20 years ago. Now they're just ripping themselves off. I can appreciate someone saying they like BR for their nolstalgic value, but going on about how great BR is today is like talking about how much you like Creed or Britney or any other formulaic, passionless, audio dookie.

I feel sorry for BSD and those like her/him because they'll never experience punk as anything more than a phase - and they'll never really understand why punk is more than just three-chords."

Wrong.

Bad Religion is not ripping themselves off. Bad Religion is remaining consistent and true to themselves. You may find this boring, but I find it reliable. I want Bad Religion to sound like fucking Bad Religion. That's why I like them. I don't want Bad Religion to suddenly switch up their formula and sound like some other shit. Formulas are unique to each band. Some formulas work, and some don't. To the bands that have a successful formula, why change? I like Bad Religion's formula, I like the Suicide Machines formula, and so on. I don't want them to change. Suicide Machines fucked with their formula when they released their pop album and the band will admit that it's shit (although it's still better than a majority of stuff out there). Point is, a band's formula creates a sound that their fans often consistently enjoy and respond too.

I don't think there's any question as to what has a greater influence on punk - innovation or passion. To me, it's clearly passion. I do not think that most punk music is innovative. Go to a show and what is it that you're experiencing? It's fucking passion. Passion for a sound that you may have been hearing for years. Passion for a band that's sound and message you can rely on. That's why you fucking like them.

You're right. Punk is much more than three chords. But saying that BSD doesn't understand it beyond that is just fucking stupid. Creed and Britney are manufactured, Bad Religion is not. Good bye.

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

one of the best reviews written on this site. good job. i thought he was too kind with the rating though.

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

... except at the record store to see if it sucks as hard as their last three albums.

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

In response to the earlier comment: yes, I am pretentious. I have standards and I don't listen to crap like this.

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

Ha, ha, ha... BSD is up on her/his cute little high horse again. Thank god we have her/him to show us all the way.

TahoeJeff (June 10, 2004)

WussEmoBSD is right...I like the fact that Bad Religion sounds the same...why fix something thats not broken.

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

why are there so many "Man this band is big now, i dont like them" -Kiddies around....

go listen to your shit

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

"There are a million ways to make a song that have nothing to do with tempo. The way the instruments play together, what instruments are used, the song structure, what the band is singing about, how the band is singing, why the band is singing, whether the songs incorporate metaphor or humor or personal experiences, the volume, the use of choruses.... "
So and what else is Bad Religion doing? Just compare their Albums......

And Rise Against will surely continue putting out Albums that sound like the prev. ones..... like any other band else....
Tiger Army, Misfits, Antiflag, Nofx all!! and thats good...
And its very interesting, that there are so many people who ar saying BR never changed, and on the other side many, who are saying they changed to much....

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

"Someone who posts by the name BSD wrote below that punk was all about formula - probably the most idiotic comment I have ever seen on this site.

Yes, formula is a part of music - all music. But while it's hard to put a finger on exactly what makes punk music "punk" there's no question but that innovation and passion are an essential part of that. Did you think the only difference between "punk" and "mainstream" was the hair style? This is the reason why it's such a tragedy when a band blatantly rips-off another band's' sound.

Bad Religion themselves used to make music that was passionate and was innovative - music that was revolutionary at the time - but that was nearly 20 years ago. Now they're just ripping themselves off. I can appreciate someone saying they like BR for their nolstalgic value, but going on about how great BR is today is like talking about how much you like Creed or Britney or any other formulaic, passionless, audio dookie.

I feel sorry for BSD and those like her/him because they'll never experience punk as anything more than a phase - and they'll never really understand why punk is more than just three-chords."

Oh boo fucking hoo.

Comparing a band that's been around for 20 years playing by their own rules to Creed and Britney Spears makes it pretty evident that you're as ignorant as I supposedly am about music.

Formulas are essential to punk bands. There are very few who change completely from record to record. So that's how many punk bands there are? 10 maybe? Refused? They are a band who may have branched out a lot, but I think Bad Religion is ten times better than them.

What's so stupid about kids who say "man I hate (insert band X) because all their SHIT sounds the same" is that most punk rock records aren't about spreading out to the limits of your musical abilities and trying to play every type of music you can think of. In my opinion, punk bands work better with formulas than when they try to branch out and fail miserably.

So, no, you don't have to go out and buy every single Bad Religion album if you think they're all the same, but making a stupid generalization about how bands with formulas suck make you seem really ignorant.

And that "punk is more than 3 chords" shit... lame sloganeering, stop embarrassing yourself and drop it.

-BSD

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

"Still I think there are a few bands making pretty interesting and intense music out there... like Challenger, the Faint, Planes Mistaken for Stars, J Church (who have played the same style forever but always have something new and interesting to say), Cursive, Atmosphere, and a few others."

I think that's a pretty assured sign that your taste in music is pretentious when you like any of those acts better than Bad Religion.

-WussEmoBSD

mikeinflames (June 10, 2004)

your mother has more talent in one of her labia lips than any porn star have in their whole body

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

Graffin and Gurewitz have more talent in their stinkiest farts than all the neighsayers in this thread in their entire bodies.

TahoeJeff (June 10, 2004)

Is it just me, or is BSD kind of like the new WussEmoRock?

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

news from the front is on the european version of stranger than fiction, along with markovian process...

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

Bad Religion is the Wayne Newton of punk rock.

That is all.

mikeinflames (June 10, 2004)

Rise Against could
cause they are the mutha fuckin bees knees
as could a million other bands
BR have had thier time
they should step aside for the younger bands who realease albums that doni't sound exactly the same as the last one

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

Anyone who thinks no one likes Bad Religion, and do not deserve to headline the Warped Tour, is a certifiable idiot.

...evildeadalive

ps - Please tell me a band that could headline Warped Tour over Bad Religion. Oh, that's right, there isn't one...

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

"you mean like the amazing evolution of D.R.I.'s little skankinâ?? man logo, who, after all this time, is clothed and in a moment of triumph, finally breaking free of the circle that has confined him for the past two decades? "

Janelle, you crack me the fuck up. Score is for you.

-Ken

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

Most of you already know my disposition on this band, but...

I was wondering though- since I am too lazy to look this shit up for my self and I know some of you hardcore BR scenesters would love some trivia - What 7" or LP did the BR song "News from the Front" come off of? I have the track and *like* it, so I'm just curious.

-Ken

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

J Church blows! Saw them a couple months back...ickkk

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

There are a million ways to make a song that have nothing to do with tempo. The way the instruments play together, what instruments are used, the song structure, what the band is singing about, how the band is singing, why the band is singing, whether the songs incorporate metaphor or humor or personal experiences, the volume, the use of choruses....

It's true that punk is hurting for real original music these days - not surprising given that you can now make pretty good money as a punk band if you're accessible enough. Still I think there are a few bands making pretty interesting and intense music out there... like Challenger, the Faint, Planes Mistaken for Stars, J Church (who have played the same style forever but always have something new and interesting to say), Cursive, Atmosphere, and a few others.

As long as people keep lapping up whatever drivel Bad Religion and other washed up/astoundingly generic bands serve them, they'll continue to laugh all the way to the bank... and to rerecord the same albums again and again and again....

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

how could hell be any worse is my favorite too.

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

ahhh bad religion. i knew you had it in you somewhere and i'm glad you found it. i was skeptical yesterday on the boards, but i picked it up after work and am now a believer in bad religion once more. best album since stranger than fiction. i'm excited about this band again. i listened to enemy about 6 times already since yesterday and it gets better and better and better. buy it fools. and yes it is a bad religion album so don't expect another sound but you can expect much better songs than they've put out on the last few. now i want to see them tour in support of it.

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

Ha sounds like all the complaints about dear old Pennywise.

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

No Janelle, just you.

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

Yeah... and who the fuck is revolutionary now?!.....

sorry i dont know how many ways exist to make a song, i thought there are only fast, mid-tempo and slow.... But it sems like you know some more...

When the only Arguments:
- They are old
- Allways sound the same
- Arent relevant anymore
- They have a Formula in writing Music

are, then they have to be pretty good...

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

first of all.... whats that "all albums sounds the same thing?" I mean most punkbands sound the same on their Albums, or should they chang their style to Ska or what... Pennywise sounds like Pennywise, Bad Religion like Bad Religion, Rise against like Rise against ....... And i think thats good....

Im sure that those unrelevant haters on here, had not evet listened to the new album....

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

Someone who posts by the name BSD wrote below that punk was all about formula - probably the most idiotic comment I have ever seen on this site.

Yes, formula is a part of music - all music. But while it's hard to put a finger on exactly what makes punk music "punk" there's no question but that innovation and passion are an essential part of that. Did you think the only difference between "punk" and "mainstream" was the hair style? This is the reason why it's such a tragedy when a band blatantly rips-off another band's' sound.

Bad Religion themselves used to make music that was passionate and was innovative - music that was revolutionary at the time - but that was nearly 20 years ago. Now they're just ripping themselves off. I can appreciate someone saying they like BR for their nolstalgic value, but going on about how great BR is today is like talking about how much you like Creed or Britney or any other formulaic, passionless, audio dookie.

I feel sorry for BSD and those like her/him because they'll never experience punk as anything more than a phase - and they'll never really understand why punk is more than just three-chords.

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

Yeah, this no where near compares to the old work, even recipe for hate and stranger than fiction which have really grown on me. The music is the same, yet the lyrics seem a little dumbed down. Also on this record I think they overused the same backing harmoy a few times. Oh well, I'll still listen to it alot, because its better than the New America. Los Angeles is burning is a great song though, and they should write more like that.

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

I just don't get you people here.
L.A.'s Burning sounds like something off TNA or NS but just because they're back on Epitaph it's all of a sudden a new sound and new direction
for Bad Religion.
Bad Religion at their best at what they do:
Making the same fucking album year after year!
Ugh!

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

just wondering...
is not anyone else's favorite all-time BR album 'How Could Hell Be Any Worse?'?
-Janelle

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

The only good religion is Bad Religion.

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

this shit is pretty sick, i'd say its as good as TPOB. Its darker i'd say. Lots of variety, some slow songs, some real fast ones. It comes blazing out of the gates like TPOB for a few tracks then the single hits midway through, then the slower more experimental stuff is on the second half. Outstanding lyrically. This is in their top 5 albums. So is TPOB.

Respect should be given to these guys. Most of you posting here will be shopping exclusively in the kenneth cole/polo dept. of sears, have a few rug rats haning around your legs and the tv will always be set to the stock market channel on your luch break as you sip coffee and read the walstreet journal when you are 40. I'd hope i have half the passion and integrity these guys have at 40.

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

Great album, and everyone that says it sounds the same is an idiot, I have seen just about as many people say that they won't get it because they have changed. The lyrics are amazing and so are the melodies.

Best Songs

Sinister Rouge
Atheist Peace
All There Is
LA is burning
Let them eat war
Godâ??s love
Beyond Electric Dreams

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

why do people keep reviewing bands that no one has ever heard of?

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

Great record.

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

I didn't TahoeJeff has never ever made fun of a band or criticsized one in any way. Because we all know stating that you think a band sucks because all of their music sounds the same makes you an elitist.

No, it means you shouldn't be listening to punk. Punk bands are all about formula, if you can't handle a band sticking to one, you may want to investigate why you got into it in the first place.

-BSD

ThreeChordsAndTheTruth (June 10, 2004)

Maybe he typed it from memory?

TahoeJeff (June 10, 2004)

A quote from a Bad Religion conversation:

"Hey guys, are songs are pretty good so let's just keep writing the same songs over and over, we'll make the lyrics exactly the same ie lyrics about them wanting you to revolt but vague enough so they're allowed to not really know what they're talking about. K sounds like a plan and oh yea, let's take up a top spot on the main stage of the warped tour again even though no one likes us. Ready? Break!

Bad Religion - The Empire Strikes First

Umm...Graffin has a doctorate. I seriously doubt that any member would ever say something this retarded. Look at the first sentence, "Hey guys, are songs are pretty good so lets keep writing the same songs over and over..." I think it should say OUR songs are pretty good, not "are songs are pretty good". I could go on, but this whole quote is so grammatically wrong, it makes me want to vomit. So kid, why don;t you just shut the fuck up and listen to some Bad Religion before you say it all sounds the same, because it doesnt. Or better yet, take your punker than thou ass back to your room and listen to whatever band you think is SO punk, and never post here again.

Anonymous (June 10, 2004)

Best punk band ever, hands down..I like their whole discography and punk would not be the same without them.

I had this album for two months and it never tires on me...especially with Bush in office.

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

BSD is the one your first dad caught your mom with.

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

BSD listens to male shit

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

man but what about Spazz and that song where 15 seconds in it's like "ohhhhhhhh sheeeeeeit"? I think that the 20 some minutes that make up "La Revancha" are better than the hours of material that I could listen to by BR. The thing is, I'd never call them contrived, because, well, any band that finds its own sound and pretty much sticks with it could be called "contrived".

-BSD

SOYBOMB (June 9, 2004)

In all sincerity, this disc will cater to fans of Bad Religion and do nothing to change the minds of those who believe that their sound is contrived and self referential to.. well.. the rest of their catalog.

The musicianship is not that good and even the lyricism from a man with a doctorate often times comes off like something that a 16 year old conspiracy theorist could conjure up.

I won't go as far as to say that these guys are washed up or even irrelevant now, but really, they cater to an incredibly specific audience.

Lastly, name-dropping in any situation to discredit a person's taste in music should be punishable by public caning.

It's really not that important to know that anonymous band A from the 80's is your favorite band... Let people enjoy what they will.

Peace,
-SOYBOMB-

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

is it me or does underoath's new stuff sound like what taking back sunday should've sounded like?

this cd is awesome!

gladimnotemo (June 9, 2004)

Oh man speaking of D.R.I. and thrash/crossover, has anyone reviewed the re-releases of Cryptic Slaughter's first two albums?

-BSD

Here? You've got high expectations...

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

A quote from a Bad Religion conversation:

"Hey guys, are songs are pretty good so let's just keep writing the same songs over and over, we'll make the lyrics exactly the same ie lyrics about them wanting you to revolt but vague enough so they're allowed to not really know what they're talking about. K sounds like a plan and oh yea, let's take up a top spot on the main stage of the warped tour again even though no one likes us. Ready? Break!

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

This album is about as likely to start a revolution as the last Britney Spears album.

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

all of you saying they should of quit a long time ago i say this you have high standerds so lower them they are after all only human. and if you want them to quit write bad religion caluiber songs about maybe 150 then come to me and ill say you were right...till then fuck off

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

Oh man speaking of D.R.I. and thrash/crossover, has anyone reviewed the re-releases of Cryptic Slaughter's first two albums?

-BSD

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

'LA is Burning' is a pretty decent song but I just don't think Bad Religion is relevant anymore... I mean, they've been playing the same song for two-freakin'-decades.

To draw a parallel: 'Empire Strikes Back'' was a great movie, but if George Lucas cranked out the same story every two years for twenty years it would have lost all the visceral impact of Darth Vader telling Luke that he's his father. Plus, it'd have gotten boring because everyone knew exactly what was going to happen.

I'm not saying Bad Religion should change their sound - Bad Religion should do whatever the heck they want - I am saying that you've got to call this what it is: recycled and of questionable relevance.

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

Thank you Bad Religion. The new album is wonderful beyond words can describe!

John-311 (June 9, 2004)

I don't know what other positive comments I could give that haven't already been given on here, but BR is truly great. And to all the people that are complaining that BR sounds the same, you'd all be complaining that it was different if they totally changed their style. When all is said and done, just ignore all the outside BS and listen to music and lyrics and if the songs are good songs that you enjoy and make you think a little bit, thats what matters.

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

*ahem*

All-time BEST seller.

Rob again.

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

I don't know who sings it, but the line "I don't think I'm a jerk but I belong in a jerk store" definately deserves a thumbs up.

Who cares!? You're their all-time seller!

Rob.
http://ys.michaelkdupin.com

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

on a completely different note...

whats the name of the song that start: got no problem letting people down, if i never planned to pick them, brother i dont mean to sound like a jerk but i belong in the jerk store....

jason shevchuk sings it but i dont think its kid dynamite, its not one either of their full length albums. i found it on kazaa but its called unknown by unknown. so help my out.

lostinthecrowd13 (June 9, 2004)

I don't want to hate this band because I know they are legends but I just can't get into their music.

badastro (June 9, 2004)

This album is good, not great, but good nonetheless. From track 10 on it kind of goes downhill, but here are the highlights:

Social Suicide
To Another Abyss
All There Is
Let Them Eat War
LA is Burning
Atheist Peace

The rest of the tracks are anywhere from alright (God's Love) to pretty weak (Boot Stamping On A Human Face Forever). BR is still my all-time favorite band though.

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

D.R.I. = DIRTY ROTTEN IMBECILES pioneers of fusing punk/hardcore/thrash - formed in '82.
-J

you've seen their logo somewhere...
http://dirtyrottenimbeciles.com

i-type-poorly (June 9, 2004)

I'm not down with the cool abbreviations so i dunno what DRI is. But it's stupid how you can't make a plus sign on this website...

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

mmm...to the comment just below:
you mean like the amazing evolution of D.R.I.'s little skankinâ?? man logo, who, after all this time, is clothed and in a moment of triumph, finally breaking free of the circle that has confined him for the past two decades?
-Janelle

i-type-poorly (June 9, 2004)

well my theroy went down the toilet. Brett said something about this new batch of cds are trying to bring back that holy trilogy feel (Suffer / No Contol / ATG).
I thought the TPOB CD cover art ( the I in the circle) was going to continue to ( ) on this cd, and become the bad religion crossbuster logo on the third.

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

sorry i didn't mention it before, adam, great review. you really are right on with your assessment.
my personal favourite is "god's love"...

should've put this below with the other one, but here's the BR Q&A:
http://skratchmagazine.com/interviews/INTbadreligion.php


-Janelle

adam (June 9, 2004)

"This makes no sense to me. There are a BILLION bands which sound exactly like the Ramones, but they always get bad reviews and tons of criticism - but when Bad Religion turns out yet another CD that sounds exactly the same people call it the "album of the year."

The Ramones and Bad Religion can play their same style over again and not be highly criticized because it's a sound they pioneered and popularized. Bands that sound like the Ramones or Bad Religion get more shit because they're just playing in an established style and not finding their own voice. As good as they get it's not truly theirs.

"It's only June...there's still Tiger Army, Lars Frederiksen, Social Distortion, Propagandhi...."

Agreed. I won't claim anything is album of the year until that year ends, and this year has some good shit lined up. The new Tiger Army is pretty rad.

-adam

ThreeChordsAndTheTruth (June 9, 2004)

"It's only June...there's still Tiger Army, Lars Frederiksen, Social Distortion, Propagandhi...."

and Green Day!

mikeinflames (June 9, 2004)

to the guy who said something about the new Propagandhi album ... we all know we won't be seeing that for at least another year
they seem to like to really take thier time with albums

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

"This makes no sense to me. There are a BILLION bands which sound exactly like the Ramones, but they always get bad reviews and tons of criticism - but when Bad Religion turns out yet another CD that sounds exactly the same people call it the 'album of the year.'"

agreed. this bands relevance has passed.

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

very cool
-benz

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

This makes no sense to me. There are a BILLION bands which sound exactly like the Ramones, but they always get bad reviews and tons of criticism - but when Bad Religion turns out yet another CD that sounds exactly the same people call it the "album of the year."

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

i listened to another abyss for 40 minutes before my baseball game, and did really good.

gladimnotemo (June 9, 2004)

Someone actually read what I typed...geez.

I'm just trying to say that Bad Religion hasn't done anything new here. Most of the comments were "Album of the Year"-ish. If BR actually did something new here instead of their basic formula, I could agree. "Process of Belief"...I can understand. It was their return to Epitaph, "their roots", etc. etc. This is just a sequel.

It's only June...there's still Tiger Army, Lars Frederiksen, Social Distortion, Propagandhi....

hayato_the_ninja (June 9, 2004)

Why is it when people write bad reviews about an album, they always use the line "It sounds like all their other records"...? Last I checked, most band's music tends to sound the same because it is their style...

Another thing that usually follows the line about sounding the same is "The band should have quit ages ago." If they still have fans that like their music, and still buy the records, why should they quit?

And then of course, when the band actually does go out on a limb and does something different, they get blasted for it.

Oh well, whatever. I like the record.

TheMarc (June 9, 2004)

Brooks Wackerman for president!!! Seriously, that guy's energy is saving some of these songs. Great album, though.

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

Sure is THE best album of 2004 yet. I really have nothing else to say cause this is by all credible sources considered as such and people bashing on this site don't even know what Bad Religion has done and still does to Punk Rock music. It invented a sound that bands like NOFX,Offspring,Pennywise,TenFootPole,Green Day, used for their success. Now tell me Greg G and Brett are no geniuses at what they do. Now go back, and listen to UNDERGROUND music. How cool. Ha.

adam (June 9, 2004)

I guess I shouldn't be so surprised this review has gotten a lot of attention, but thanks for reading anyways. I'll respond to a few comments.

SOYBOMB: "incredibly formulaic, even by Bad Religion standards. Fans of Bad Religion will enjoy this disc."

Fans of Bad Religion will definitely enjoy this disc. However I'll respectfully disagree that this is incredibly formulaic, Bad Religion's had much worse in that respect.

gladimnotemo: " He's never offered valid answers to any problems. I don't care if he has a degree in athestic microbiology. Who cares."

Bad Religion are commenting on social ills. These problems are problems because there is no simple answer to them. They've never claimed to have these answers and have repeatedly said that themselves. People respect their opinion, but even the band themselves warn against taking what they say as gospel:

I don't belive in self important folks who preach /
no Bad Religion song can make your life complete /
you'll get no direction from me - "No Direction"

MRR stuff: Who cares what MRR thinks? They've got an opinion that's just as wrong as everyone else's, including my own. I respect MRR for how long they've soldiered on and some of the coverage they've done, but they comment on the "left" like it's an exclusive club to which they are the gatekeeper.

...and to people complaining that a Bad Religion album sounds like Bad Religion and that twenty years into a career they haven't taken a radical shift in approach: OF COURSE. This is the sound they've popularized and one that's done incredibly well for them, as well as one I'm assuming they enjoy themselves. If you're not a Bad Religion fan this isn't going to change your mind, but I'm surprised you're all so shocked with that.

-adam

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

this album is good.
the overture is cool and sinister rouge kicks the album off well, nice tempo changes, good lyrics.
Hard, tight musicianship.

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

Fuck this !
This is friggin TERRIBLE.
AWFUL!!!
I love it how most people on this site claim that this is the new BR sound when technically this is the same God damned album they've been writing year after year ei:fast song,slow song,fast song, two more mid tempo songs,then fast again,blah,blah,blah.

gladimnotemo (June 9, 2004)

"It's just like Dexter Holland. Just because he has a degree doesn't mean." ...ahem....doesn't mean they're right.

"I'm pleased they are trying new things (blending songs into the next one in a couple of places),"....almost every band I've ever listened to do does that....that is definately not new.

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

for me it was all downhill for these guys after stranger than fiction. i'm not saying they suck or anything but i can't discern one album from the next, save a few songs here and there. for me suffer, how could hell, stranger, recipe, and against the grain are tops.... the rest of it.... ehhh. i'll pick this one up though, just based on the review. seriously good review, i'd like to see more of em like this one on punknews.

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

This album is awesome, I'm pleased they are trying new things (blending songs into the next one in a couple of places), took me awhile to get my head around the guest vocals on Let Them Eat War - but still very good (it has been done before you know).

I saw them at the Astoria in London back in May, at the end I realised again why I like this band so much - no one at the moment can compare with them.

The last track was a really excellent way of ending the album - try reading the lyric sheets the guys who said this album was a re-hash of old stuff.

Pete

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

its true. they dont sound intelligent, just like they are trying really hard to impress you with thier infinite music knowledge.

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

problem with pitchfork is thier reviewers try so hard to use all this imagery and make themsleves sound all intelligent. its rare that you can find a straightforward review on that site without all the fluffy "imgine back to the days when..." shit.

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

i hate pitchfork. stuck up snotty assholes. but yes, their rating system is much better.

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

Can these guys get more boring??? Why yes they can. Better writing on this one, same boring music-oldpunker-

ThreeChordsAndTheTruth (June 9, 2004)

To the guy saying Pitchforks reviews are inconsistent; would you rather they all agreed together on how they'll rate a record? I work on a popular webzine and most people on the staff look down on punk records like Pitchfork probably will to this one. When I reviewed Offspring's last album for the site and gave it a 5 I got shit from other staff members for rating it 'too high'. So if staff consistency occured, I'd have rated that record even worse, which would just enforce the opinion that sites like Pitchfork are just indie cool kids.

"It's just like Dexter Holland. Just because he has a degree doesn't mean."

DOESN'T MEAN WHAT??!?!?

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

I agree with a majority of the comments.

This is same old bad religion. Nothing new or especially exciting per say. Personally, Bad Religion in its present form is exciting enough for me. I dont need them re-inventing a genre that has worked for them for 20 some years. I agree that you can say its boring for them to release the same CD over and over basically, but Bad Religion is a band you can simply count on. You know that when they release a CD its going to be soild rock music.

Side Note: I paid $25 last year to see bad religion with a bunch of shit bands and it was def. worth it. One of those bands worth spending the extra few bucks to see. Warped Tour just cant capture 20 years of music in 30 minutes....Im really hoping they will do a nice full tour this fall in support because i think this CD can easily be linked in with their setlist..

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

Sounds promising...I might check it out, even though most Bad Religion albums sound alike.

Except for that Japanese intro into "Kyoto Now," I thought a lot of Process of Belief retread into Gray Race territory.

Alas, I digress. Bad Religion'll be destined to put out the same album every two years until "Generator" becomes a children's nursery rhyme...

That's consistency you can set a watch to.

But then again I'm consistent, too--well, at least in the area of fundraising. I've hit up people at 3:00 am and even during people's weddings just to get campaign cash.

I swear consistency is a mixed blessing...

Gray Davis

magnificent7 (June 9, 2004)

I love the way bands like this make the realities of America appear so simple, but i gurantee, half the people who pby this will vote for Bush. Or vote for Kerry. There are more options than having a totally right wing 2 party system. Try voting for someone in the centre ground like the liberals, or, be really crzy and vote for someone on the left like socialists. (note, liberalism, is not left wing)

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

Well, as AG said it best:

"Science, like government and God, is not big on being queer"

-BSD

TheOneTrueBill (June 9, 2004)

The sequencing on the album kind of sucks. I can't figure out why they'd smash almost all the fast songs into the begining. Maybe two in a row, but you can't put all your eggs in one bastket.

Maybe this will grow on me, but I'm a bit disappointed.

CaptainCrunch (June 9, 2004)

I'm not so sure why everyone thinks Pitchfork is the most credible review site. I mean, they gave Jay-Z's Black album an 8.0, which was higher than Liscensed to Ill, and way higher than The Weakerthans 'reconstruction site' (5.6 i think). That's just one example that I can think of off the top of my head, but I just see them as very inconsistent between all their staff reviewers, not to mention their reviews aren't consistently informative as well.

Does anyone else feel the same way? I don't mean to be off topic.

LMChc (June 9, 2004)

"screaming liberty spiked child molestor (jorge of the casualties) "

i spit my iced tea all over my lap when i read that.

Anonymous (June 9, 2004)

not as good as I expected

gladimnotemo (June 8, 2004)

Eh, MRR doesn't do much for me. They are usually radically left, and intolerant of anybody else, which puts a bad image on punk.

Anyways, yea, BR's lyrics are usually shit. People think because Graffin is almost upfront about things, he's some kind of genius. He states the obvious - Bush sucks, religion sucks (although his views on all religion are based on pricks like Benny Hinn, Pat Robertson, etc.), the world sucks, blah blah blah. He's never offered valid answers to any problems. I don't care if he has a degree in athestic microbiology. Who cares.

It's just like Dexter Holland. Just because he has a degree doesn't mean.

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

GRIND, not gring.

-BSD

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

"also i'd rather take political advice from a doctor (graffin) , than a screaming liberty spiked child molestor (jorge of the casualties)"

Because there's nothing inbetween. No crust-punk, no gring, no nothing. When it comes to politics in punk, it's either pop-punk or fashion punk. And "oi" screamers? What the fuck Oi! are you listening to? Most Oi! is incredibly melodic, shouted much of the time, but not screached or screamed.

-BSD

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

okay....................first of all.......................fuck everyone who compares old bad religion to new bad religion..

there two different monsters.

stylistically this album makes some more steps than recent albums.

its melodically driven.....picking up from where POB left off.

however, this album will solidify bad religion as melodic kings of punk

this stuff is incredicle melodically.

the tone of the music on this record is different than the other "new school" bad religion albums. those were punk albums w/ melodic influences. this album is a melodic punk album..........with an emphasis on melodic lines.

be fucking deal............most their songs sound the same.

however, musically the band beats the shit out of most other in anykind of music.............the way the songs sound............hell the solos..........jesus...................graffins vocals are more powerful than any of the OI! screamers.

vocally..........hell.........especially political vocals are second to none. i'd rather hear a story of a dream of war and not knowing the consequeses in "drunk sincerity" than "stop the violence" by a global threat. The message is closely the same, however graffin conveys his message w/ greater knowledge.

lastly..........everybody commenting on this likes some form of bad religion. and if all their songs sound the same.................then they must have written a fucking amazing song to get everyone to love it.

by no means is this my favorite BR album (suffer, against the grain, grey race)................but i like it alot.

the political message isn't just "fuck bush", but are words that can be understood for generations to come...............also i'd rather take political advice from a doctor (graffin) , than a screaming liberty spiked child molestor (jorge of the casualties)

good listen to this stuff.....its great..........listen to everything.......

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

I like, they don't reinvent the globe but its still good.

Barkley

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

MRR are alright but their gullible as fuck and never in on the joke. I think I remember reading a TY interview with the F.U.'s from the mid-80's and the fact that they were sarcastically singing songs about loving America went completely over his head.

It seems like you have to have a literal political approach or they'll call you out for being something you aren't.

And to all of the people badmouthing the lyrics: It's Bad Religion. They don't know anything about politics. That's like caring about NFG's political agenda. If you want to listen to a good political album get some Hellshock and Disclose.

-BSD

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

MRR said thee best thing about Greg Graffin (I wish I could find the quote)...it was along the lines of "The man is no longer in the radical left, and was probably never to begin with. He just thinks he still is."
-------------------------

You read MRR. Lefty sensationalist hippie.

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

better than anything that has come out this year.

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

awesome album.

gladimnotemo (June 8, 2004)

What?

Is there more "melodic undertones" or "vocal stylings"? They really haven't changed anything remarkable.

I expected this album to bomb (like the AP review) or get the treatment it got here. No one in Bad Religion has any type of credability anymore, save for Guerwitz (for Epitaph, mainly) and Greg Hetson (he was/is in the CIRCLE JERKS FOR GOD'S SAKE). Everyone else is just going through the motions, it seems.

pastepunk (June 8, 2004)

anyone who honestly things Bad Religion is just rehashing the same ol' thing with every release obviously is not listening hard enough. Few bands tender to the details as much as BR do, and for those who only grade on a superficial curve, there's a whole lot you're missing...

gladimnotemo (June 8, 2004)

"Incredibly formulaic, even by Bad Religion standards.

Fans of Bad Religion will enjoy this disc.

Peace,
-SOYBOMB-"

Exactly.

MRR said thee best thing about Greg Graffin (I wish I could find the quote)...it was along the lines of "The man is no longer in the radical left, and was probably never to begin with. He just thinks he still is."

Other than "How Could Hell..." and "Into the Unknown", they've made the same CD over and over and over and over....

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

"Nah, new Strung Out, PIB, maybe the Sex Positions CD, or even Break The Silence could easily beat this, this is Bad Religion's 3rd worst CD(which isn't really that bad, i'd still give it five stars)"

Only Crime will definitely make these guys their bitch as well, and I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the new Propagandhi will definitely be the album of the year(if it comes out that is)

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

this album made me dance!! MUCH better than the prosses of belief! that one kinda dissapointed me... but this album is highly recomended! y'all

I bet you liked the atlantic ones the best didn't you you douche!

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

"This is the best record of 2004, I'm calling it now because this is what everyone needs to hear. The messages this album conveys are exactly what people need to pay attention to. There is nothing trite, common place, or average about what this band has to say. I don't care whether you think Bad Religion is too hyped up by people or their music isn't as amazing as everyone makes it out to be, you still need to read the lyrics. I think the review for this cd is one of the most fair I've ever read on the site, great review. Every song on this cd is gold not just because the songs themselves sound amazing, but because the lyrics are what make it what it is. This album is relevant in every sense of the word to society, politics, religion, and all the fucked up problems they create.
-AJN"

Nah, new Strung Out, PIB, maybe the Sex Positions CD, or even Break The Silence could easily beat this, this is Bad Religion's 3rd worst CD(which isn't really that bad, i'd still give it five stars)

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

Great record, but I dont think it's as good as Process of Belief.

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

This sounds like they've just sped up the atlantic style, and not the good atlantic like Recipe For Hate, Stranger Than Fiction or Gray Race, this sounds like a faster version of New America, although not as bad as no substance(I own every Bad Religion but that one, and I refuse to buy it). But...this still deserves 5 stars, cuz the golden bad religion cds(Suffer, No Control, Against The Grain, and Generator) would get 10s on a 5 point scale, they are the best punk cds ever made. And other than no substance there is no bad religion cd that should be below a five.

Fuzzy (June 8, 2004)

I would like to point out that The Empire Strikes First is available for 7.99 from Audiolunchbox, and DRM-free, indie music online store.

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

Bad Religion should have called it quits a LONG,LONG,LONG time ago and with this new release it's just the same old song and dance we've been hearing for the last 20 something years.
Boring!!

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

Fifth best Bad Religion album. Disappointed.

losingstreakca (June 8, 2004)

"Don't ask me how I remember this, but Brooks Wackerman used to be in this all-kids hair-metal band when he was like 14, and the kid that was in Terminator 2 that played Butnik on Salute Your Shorts was the singer. I actually bought the CD. I wonder where that went.... The guitar player was some prodigy that studied under Steve Vai, too. I wish I could remember the name"

the bands name was BAD 4 GOOD

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

Great review, great album, better than TPOB by far.

-Strewtho

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

Great album!

pwfanatic (June 8, 2004)

one of the...if not the best album to come out this year

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

Don't wanna live
don't wanna give
don't wanna be
e-m-p-i-r-e

ThreeChordsAndTheTruth (June 8, 2004)

Haha, the 'all there isssss-uhhhh' sounds like a pop group singer.. imagine him grabbing his crotch JT style singing it.

Some of the backing oozin ahhs on this sounds canned.. as though they sampled them on a keyboard and just played them at different pitches.. not cool.

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

I want more double bass... moooooooore!! Good album... not great, but good.

thriceequalsgod (June 8, 2004)

damn good album, i'll pick this up soon

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

Honestly, in a musical sense this album is light years ahead of the process of belief. There is a tight harmony that flows through the entire album. Athiest Peace, quite possibly my favorite track on the cd.

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

this album made me dance!! MUCH better than the prosses of belief! that one kinda dissapointed me... but this album is highly recomended! y'all

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

Probable Pitchforkmedia.com score - 5.7 out of 10

You needn't worry about the fanboys opinions

pick up "No Control"

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

I was really excited about this, but it's just another Bad Religion "formula" album. There are a couple of standout tracks but the rest is just MORE of the same... and some of the songs are sort of stupid (like "Sinister Rouge").

SOYBOMB (June 8, 2004)

Incredibly formulaic, even by Bad Religion standards.

Fans of Bad Religion will enjoy this disc.

Peace,
-SOYBOMB-

Icapped2pac (June 8, 2004)

Don't ask me how I remember this, but Brooks Wackerman used to be in this all-kids hair-metal band when he was like 14, and the kid that was in Terminator 2 that played Butnik on Salute Your Shorts was the singer. I actually bought the CD. I wonder where that went.... The guitar player was some prodigy that studied under Steve Vai, too. I wish I could remember the name....

As for BR, they're one of the bands that got me into punk rock, so for that I'll forever be grateful. But I honestly haven't listened to anything by them in like 7 or 8 years. This review is making me think I've been missing something, so I'll check this out.

notfeelingcreative (June 8, 2004)

"All There Is" is a good song until Graffin makes "is" a two syllable word.

It's funny I think that's what makes the song cool! Anyhow I like this a whole lot better than process, but after listening to it again I can see how some people wouldn't dig it as much, it's definatley different.

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

Bad Religion own everyone here, sexually.

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

picked this up this morning. excellent record. highly recommended.

Haggard (June 8, 2004)

This album is awesome.

I think To Another Abyss is a pretty gnarly song, too.

-Justin

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

wrong rating...sorry

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

Not as good as Process of Belief but still a very solid release. Though I don't care for let them eat war and i'm still getting used to los angeles is burning. But pretty much the solid output everyone expected.

Also, am i the only one who thinks the empire strikes first sounds exactly like the biggest killer in american history?

I was waiting for the k k k killllllerrr

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

I didnt know a BR B-Sides album came out today, cool!...........

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

Am I only person that thinks this album is shit. The first few songs are strong, most notably "Sinister Rouge" but then the album really begins to suck. "All There Is" is a good song until Graffin makes "is" a two syllable word.

While "Los Angeles is Burning" is catchy, the lyrics are laughable. "This is not a test of the emergency broadcast system" c'mon. And the sad attempt to reach back to the past with "how could hell be any worse".

"Let Them Eat War" will now mark the ultimate low point in Bad Religion's career with that ridiculous rap at the end of the song.

I really wish BR would have called it quits after Process of Belief and gone out on top. With this album the band has really regressed.

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

This is the best record of 2004, I'm calling it now because this is what everyone needs to hear. The messages this album conveys are exactly what people need to pay attention to. There is nothing trite, common place, or average about what this band has to say. I don't care whether you think Bad Religion is too hyped up by people or their music isn't as amazing as everyone makes it out to be, you still need to read the lyrics. I think the review for this cd is one of the most fair I've ever read on the site, great review. Every song on this cd is gold not just because the songs themselves sound amazing, but because the lyrics are what make it what it is. This album is relevant in every sense of the word to society, politics, religion, and all the fucked up problems they create.
-AJN

i-type-poorly (June 8, 2004)

The "LA Is Burning" music video is a PUMAT between the opening credits to You Can't Do That On Television, the Twisted Metal videogames, and a NoFX album cover.

thirtyseconds (June 8, 2004)

How can you say the first BR was nothing new?

sickboi (June 8, 2004)

I really like this album, but can't get over the weird thing Graffin does with his voice on "All there is"...

"And I guess that's all there i-hissssssssssssss"

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

Because pop-hardcore guys should reinvent themselves when what they do works? Fuck you.

Like everything else Bad Religion has ever put out, it's okay for what it is. The politics aren't the most brilliant, as I really can't support a band that tells its fans to blindly vote democrat, but if the music's what counts, it's typical Bad Religion, which means really good fast pop-punk.

-BSD

mikeinflames (June 8, 2004)

meh
sounds exactly like evry other BR album
nothing special ... nothing new

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

excellent excellent album.

Interview:
http://rebelnoise.com/viewinterview.php?id= 78

-Janelle

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

I recall a few years ago during the No Substance period my friends put me down endlessly for continuing to call Bad Religion my favourite band. They called the last album a fluke. I'm proud to say I stuck by BR.

maverick (June 8, 2004)

Maybe I just haven't listened to it enough yet, but it's falling into the category of "a good Bad Religion album" for me instead of "a great Bad Religion album" [i.e. Process Of Belief, Stranger Than Fiction].

There's still some killer songs here, though.

-Scott

opivykid (June 8, 2004)

This cd fucking rocks. Kickass review too.

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

LA is burning is good - it uses metaphor!

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

Amazing album. I don't know where it ranks among the other Bad Religion albums since I don't even know which one is my favorite......I love them all.

This album covers just about every era of BR. From the blazing fast melodic oozin ahhs to the toned down Recipe for Hate type songs. Song 13 is the only one I don't like.

Best songs-Sinister Rouge, Gods Love, Live Again, Empire Strikes First........hell just about every song.

FortyMinutesWest (June 8, 2004)

It's Bad fucking Religion!

Yep, that's my in-depth analysis. Good thing Adam reviewed this instead of me.

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

at first i didn't like it that much but in the end, it really grew on me! pick this up!

i-type-poorly (June 8, 2004)

Well worth the hype. Think Suffer with amazing production. Beyond Electric Dreams and Boot Stamping on A Human Face Forever have quickly become two of my favorite BR songs ever! The title track uses the same beat as 21st Century Digital Boy and The Biggest Killer In American History, but hey, better BR rips themselves off rather than almost every other punk band of the past 15 years... Live Again preaches like something from Against The Grain. The Quickening is the ONLy song i can't get into. Every other song is fucking gold! no lie.

inagreendase (June 8, 2004)

This reminds me of a mix between TBOP and New America...the tempo is definitely strained at points. It's good, not GREAT, but then again TPOB was my favorite of 2002.

notfeelingcreative (June 8, 2004)

Shit, I love this fucking record, after listening to this I realized that I liked the last three or four bad religion records simply because it was bad religion, after listening to this, I have come to the conclusion that most of their recent shit has ben subpar. I bought this three hours ago and I've listened to it three times already!

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

I finally realized with this release that Bad Religion are indeed one of my favorite bands.

Kudos on the review Adam I really enjoyed how you summarized it.

- Kirby

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

great review.

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

Good review. I'll be picking this one up this weekend fo' sho

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

pretty good album

CrookedSuperhero (June 8, 2004)

I really hope i agree with the review on this one.

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

God's Love and To Another Abyss are excellent, excellent songs.

The AP (Alternative Press) review was lukewarm, complaining mainly about the production but I actually like to hear them trying new things out.

The one thing I noticed is that it's difficult to discern Brett's songs from Greg's. If you take, say Generator you can tell who is writing what, but not so much here.

Allular (June 8, 2004)

Awesome review. I'm pickin' it up today.

Anonymous (June 8, 2004)

Good shit.

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