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Hawthorne Heights

Hawthorne Heights: The Silence in Black and WhiteThe Silence in Black and White (2004)
Victory Records

Reviewer Rating: 0.5
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Contributed by: InaGreendaseBrian
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A scene from this past year's spelling bee: "Your word is: 'Hawthorne Heights.'" "Hawthorne Heights. H-O-R-R-I-B-L-E. Hawthorne Heights." "That's correct. We also would have accepted P-R-E-D-I-C-T-A-B-L-E and C-L-I-C-H-E." Now, see the cheesiness, likely derivativeness of, and overall.
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A scene from this past year's spelling bee:

"Your word is: 'Hawthorne Heights.'"

"Hawthorne Heights. H-O-R-R-I-B-L-E. Hawthorne Heights."

"That's correct. We also would have accepted P-R-E-D-I-C-T-A-B-L-E and C-L-I-C-H-E."

Now, see the cheesiness, likely derivativeness of, and overall lame quality of that insult? It's the same result of effort the band put into their Victory debut, The Silence in Black and White. At least they titled it appropriately; the former suggests a viable replacement for listening to the disc, and the latter reflects just how colorless the album is. To be fair though, the cover (again, appropriately) gives off more of a classic Game Boy-esque puke green.

The band *might* be an accomplished quintet of mediocrity in the field of whiny, poppy, mid-tempo post-hardcore if they didn't have to throw in spare change screams, which are as forced as they come. They could probably come off like a second-rate Spitalfield at least, but with their cutesy little growls end up coming off like a third-rate Silverstein (both bands coincidentally mates on their label). Without even referencing the pop-screamo style, the band suffers in how much they water down the tempo. It's not even summer but they've already broken out the sprinklers.

Lyrics? You need to ask? How about winners like "please don't use my letters to start your fires," "she cried all night, until the salt from her tears rusted shut her eyes," and "so cut my wrists and black my eyes so I can fall asleep tonight or die because you kill me."

Time-signature changes…random jazz interludes with a brass section…grindcore drums…I just wish they'd do SOMETHING to differentiate themselves. AND NO, A PIANO DOESN'T COUNT (see "Blue Burns Orange" for a minimal amount of key pushing). They offer nothing new musically or otherwise.

This isn't necessarily "I'd rather get my prostate checked" bad, but…well, then again, at least I can avoid cancer. Hmm…be back in a couple hours.

MP3s
Niki FM
Ohio is For Lovers

 

 
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Leonidas (October 5, 2009)

No.

Maduc (June 8, 2009)

Whether you like this album (or band, for that matter): shut the fuck up. Is it that hard to believe that your opinion of music isn't the only one there is?
For those who hate Hawthorne Heights: just because people note the band along My Chemical Romance for being the poster "emo" (whatever that means anymore) bands doesn't mean they are. At least listen to the band before making judgments about them.
For those who loooove this album: Hawthorne Heights aren't the second coming of Christ. Just because you like this album doesn't mean that it's the best thing ever. Nor does it mean that it's the most emotional thing ever. Angst and sorrow are just two out of many emotions portrayed through any form of art.
Oh, and I bet most of you who say you cry while listening to this album are just saying that to make yourselves look more "emo" and shit. Stop it, it's not impressing anyone. Of course, neither is putting down this band without listening to it.
All of you need a life.

C-Men (June 30, 2008)

sucky band.

drbino (June 27, 2008)

Pop music doesn't get much worse than this. Terrible, terrible stuff.

lynnie (April 24, 2008)

i lovee hawthorne heights!!! and theyre lyrics mean a lot to me, i cant listen to them without crying at least once tho. i love every song they have ever made and i love the screaming in wake up call... i listen to them like every day!!

TommyPickles (March 21, 2008)

This band is so fucking brutal and hardcore I can't even stand it. There break downs are so heavy. But seroiusly this band sucks.

LooseKanonYankee (November 28, 2007)

Haha, people are defending this album!

dumhed01 (November 20, 2007)

This review gives me hope.
ha.

RolitaViv (May 7, 2007)

I think that is so funny how da guy who wrote this have like no ears no music sence and and its so funny like wen they talk trash about really good bands that their song have a meaning... Why dont u just get a life and learn about music and then write about it!!!

becky00 (November 17, 2006)

for all those who are bashing hawthorne heights... you can cut ur own fucking wrists. they rock. lets see your band (even if you have one) go out there and make $10 million dollars and sell out concerts!! you dont know SHIT because YOU OBVIOUSLY DONT HAVE EARS! at least these lyrics accually have meaning! for the kids who are talking about bands like Panic! at the Disco... come on! those kids suck ass and you know it! and why the hell would you go on to a bands site just to bash them?? for the sake of all people... >>>>> GET A FUCKING LIFE!!!

Greeny341 (August 9, 2006)

To all you sad sad scenesters go listen to some people with talent or originality because Hawthorne is everything thats wrong with pop music. yes i said pop music, deal with it.

thedarrien (July 2, 2006)

" And i am sick and tired of those stickers that say, "HEY, DO YOU LIKE THURSDAY AND TAKING BACK SUNDAY????? YOU'LL LOVE THESE GUYS." of course this had that on the cd."

I hate that too. goddamn Victory Records. SUCK IT.

thedarrien (July 2, 2006)

I agree with every word.

I bought the album when I was going through my 12-13 year old pop-punk phase, and even then I didn't like it. The songs were pretty much indistiguishable, they may as well have just had the entire CD as one long song. The only two songs I remember even remotely sticking out were "Niki FM" and "Wake Up Call."

It's not really even a bad record, it was just....boring. Nothing new, we've seen it a hundred times before. blah.

coffinfullofnails (June 28, 2006)

fuck this band .

Anonymous (May 24, 2006)

Welll anyone who doesn't think they fuckin rock is a fucking asshole that album kicks ass major ass you guys are just saying that because you've never heard them thanxs and peace out =()

Anonymous (May 21, 2006)

fukk if anyone has bought the silence in black and white (original cd) and has the lime green demo that came with it should totally email me at skin_babe005@hotmail.com and tell me what songs/artists are on the demo pleaseeeeeee!!!
thanks yo

Anonymous (April 16, 2006)

Hawthorne Heights,no talent,no skin left on wrists, and no balls

Anonymous (April 6, 2006)

if your gay buy this cd...j/k

Anonymous (April 6, 2006)

if i had to listen to something emo it would be Hawthorne Heights.

Anonymous (March 7, 2006)

Piece of crap.
Watch a video of one of their shows....
I never understood how people could get into a band saying all these shitty lyrics.
The crowd just stands there looking emo and the band is boring as hell.
Its pathetic that this "im a little bitch" crap can sell.

Anonymous (March 7, 2006)

I know some who looks like J.T and hes coming to getcha!! watch out boys.......

Anonymous (March 7, 2006)

Hawthorne is awsome and who ever puts them down...... Hocka-Putooi

Anonymous (March 7, 2006)

Shavo says he is the biggest fan EVER!!!!

Anonymous (March 7, 2006)

hawthorne is just the best im there biggest fan ever im obessed with them blue burns orange is my favorite

Anonymous (March 4, 2006)

i love this cd it was my fav cd all yr better than any other cd ever

crazytoledo (February 18, 2006)

I can at least stand bands like Silverstein, Bayside, and Emery.

They are similar to Hawthorne Heights in the scene, therefore the statement is kind of wrong.

I dont hate HH because they're emo, I hate them because they're horrible.

Anonymous (February 18, 2006)

You choose to hate because you cant except or relate to HH. I happen to stand by them all the way. I saw them at warp tour and they were amazing straight up. I have the cd and i listen to it all the time. I am not a homo i dont cry when a girl dumps me. ITS JUST MUSIC and you take it too seriously. niki fm holds one of my favorite screams, blue burns orange is great. so FUCK you.

jamespastepunk (February 16, 2006)

lolz!

Anonymous (February 14, 2006)

Does John Cusack get royalties every time someone references that scene from Say Anything? He should be able to retire thanks to every shitty unoriginal emo song (and the Bouncing Souls).

Anonymous (February 11, 2006)

the only songs i like from them is silver bullet and ohio is for lovers. still, those songs aren't even very good.

Anonymous (February 10, 2006)

the album rocks i love it and love the band!

Anonymous (February 9, 2006)

these guys are a bunch of copy cats with no feeling. go listen to some of the bands these guys are copying instead

Anonymous (February 6, 2006)

OKay ya know what im gonna KICK your ass cuz I love hawthorne heights! my GOD....you're so lucky I don't know you man!

Anonymous (February 2, 2006)

dustin golf im a huge fan to and reading these reviews
you people must be stupld because these fan is the best
and i cant wait until there new cd comes out keep rockin

Anonymous (February 2, 2006)

im a huge hawthorn fan and you say there words dont mean nothin well if you whatin choked on something you would no what there saying

sk8rchic (February 1, 2006)

love this cd. one of my best . listen to them all the time and can't wait till thier next cd comes out this month

Anonymous (February 1, 2006)

i think hawthorne heights is the greatest band ever there cd
is the first ever cd i listed to likeing every song ohio is for
lovers is 10/10 and these is my favorite band ever

Anonymous (February 1, 2006)

i think hawthorne is the best band ever there hole cd i s good
ohio is for lovers 10 out 10 the best

Anonymous (January 26, 2006)

kck ass sara yay emo

HEYWILLIE (January 25, 2006)

all you little emo kids sitting in your graphic arts class at pennsbury west during c period need to get back work.....slackers. god who listens to hawthorne heights they suck so bad why dont you go listen to some real music....lol....im just kiddin.... anyways hey willie hows it goin? i hope this is the right album cuz i know i asked you like 10 times wich ones you commented on...but i forgot again...so ya i guess ill see you in lunch next period....mmmmm free fries and stolen cookies : P

Anonymous (January 25, 2006)

people still post on this album review? crazy... then again, here i am, typing away... this album was alright.. i would rather listen to this then a lot of other things. anyways...to clear up what i scanned through... they do write their own music, the drummer did play drums on the album, their new video doesnt make any sense, the new album is 5x better musically and 2x worse lyrically, carbon copy will do well, ellison isnt half bad, asteria is not very good, this album has not went platinum yet (stressing the yet), the singer is not related to the elephant man (although that would be awesome), and the confined records guy is a huge douchebage. these are facts, not opinions.

Anonymous (January 25, 2006)

hells ya

Anonymous (January 25, 2006)

great cd and great band. their one of my favorite bands and i really dont care for the negative comments cuz everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Anonymous (January 21, 2006)

good album.

Anonymous (January 16, 2006)

Pfft. Im actually very smart and I was replacing best with worst you dumb fuck. i don't even care. i like hawthorne heights and you're pretty lame for coming back here to correct that.

Anonymous (January 16, 2006)

I really liked this album

crazytoledo (January 12, 2006)

got hit in the head

damn lazyness. proofreading after posting. sigh.

crazytoledo (January 12, 2006)

Worst Band Ever. Worst Album EVer. Worst Single Ever. Worst Video Ever. Worst Fan Base ever. Worst etc, etc.

WORST EVER

You can always use that word to describe something about Hawthorne Heights.

Apparently the person two posts below got hit is too stupid to know the difference between best and worst.

Anonymous (January 10, 2006)

HH isnt "the same" or original. If you want shit music, listen to GreenDay and From First to Last! Oh thats right, people already fucking do listen to that shit! Most of HH songs on The Silence... are more like poems turned into songs, wich is fine with me. Really, no one can talk about how the badn is "shit" because no one fucking cares about your opinion,and it wont change the minds of people who do like the band! But everyone is entitled to your own opinion, so watever. Loved the CD, but not totally perfect.

Anonymous (January 10, 2006)

best Band Ever. bestAlbum EVer. best Single Ever. best Video Ever. best Fan Base ever

BEST EVER

suck it. i love hawthorne heights.

crazytoledo (January 10, 2006)

Worst Band Ever. Worst Album EVer. Worst Single Ever. Worst Video Ever. Worst Fan Base ever. Worst etc, etc.

WORST EVER

You can always use that word to describe something about Hawthorne Heights.

Anonymous (January 9, 2006)

Funny how u give it one star YET IT WENT PLATINUM.....fuckin dumbass.

_dream_of_me_ (January 6, 2006)

"im outside of your window with my radio"

a bit stalker-ish, eh?

_dream_of_me_ (January 6, 2006)

Hawthorne Heights has got to be one of the WORST bands out there. Who cares if your gothic boyfriend likes them. Your gothic boyfriend is an idiot. The songs have no true meaning... "cut my wrists and black my eyes so i can fall asleep tonight"... i mean what the fuck is that, thats something a 12-year-old would write because her mom told her to clean her room. They can't scream. The guy can't sing worth a shit. And, also, I've heard a rumor (not saying it's true or false) that they so not even write their own music. Can you say backstreet boys?

Anonymous (January 6, 2006)

i luv them and u have no good taste in music

bmwd40 (January 6, 2006)

To: H/H
From: Bruce Draper, Richford Vermont
I forgot to include that people who don't like this band really piss me off. I've got a lot of friends in this school who enjoy the music that H/H makes. And if one person descides the fate of a band, then they can just piss off.

bmwd40 (January 6, 2006)

Although it set in lovly "romance" to most. Hawthorne Heights wrote about topics that were important.

Critics who judge others work because they feel it's bad. If a person could take over the band and do better I'd love to see it.

Anonymous (January 4, 2006)

we are doign a school report on you guys and you guys are the best band in the hole world

Anonymous (January 4, 2006)

i love hawthorne heights they are the best thing right now all me and my friends leason to them and it help me when im talking to my guy friend who loves them to and is goth so it work out in the long run

Anonymous (January 4, 2006)

i love hawthorne heights they are the best thing right now all me and my friends leason to them and it help me when im talking to my guy friend who loves them to and is goth so it work out in the long run

thejewvolta (January 2, 2006)

ha
this is so fun to read all of these comments
but you dont have to be mean
just be straight forward
this is not a good band
just grow up

Anonymous (December 29, 2005)

shut up you fuckin scenesters!
"oh my god i love these guys... oh my god i'm gonna jerk off every time i hear niki fm" jump off the fuckin bandwagon and end this shit!

Anonymous (December 27, 2005)

Omg hawthorne heights is like so freakin awsome i just can't get over that song ohio is for lovers and that song nikki fm!! i love this band! i don't know what yall been listening to but this is a great band!

Anonymous (December 26, 2005)

i love hawthorne heights

bitch, suck it.

Anonymous (December 24, 2005)

TWO WORDS: FUCK OFF. Hawthorne Heights is an amazing band, and I know there's gonna be fuckers who are going to call me an "emo pussy" which I'm not thank you, because I don't consider myself fucking emo.

Anonymous (December 15, 2005)

The Transition is the only decent track on this album. Everything else is just really plain. The video for Nikki FM must be a joke. The video itself is horrible and does nothing for the song, not mentioning the song sucks just as much.

cyberinferno (December 9, 2005)

this band made me question my sexuality
-------------------------------------------------
Wha t the hell does that mean? Are you now gay?

warningdevice (December 8, 2005)

I was so glad to see the review that i saw for this record. I work at Hot Topic, and i see all the little teeny bopper fuckheads buying hawthorne shit. I just wanna yell at them and hand them something good to listen to, or just give em a well deserved smak upside the head. I also have friends of mine... good friends that listen to these guys, and like them. I love em, but when they play niki fm and that stupid ohio song i want to put my beer down, get up, and throw the fucking cd player out the window. I've also seen a couple reviews of people who liek this record... let me ask you a question. WHY? Why and how would you be sucked into buying this shit? Do me a favor, and go down to wherever you buy your music, and grab a copy of "My Brain Hurts" from Screeching Weasel. See if you ever go back... I didn't, and I'm glad I didn't.

Anonymous (December 7, 2005)

yer shit

Anonymous (December 7, 2005)

Why does this band make me want to vomit? Seriously, I keep seeing the video for "Niki FM" and it makes me feel violently ill. The lead singer should not be trying to act. He is so flat--no emotion at all. I would also like to add that from what I've heard, the lyrics are incredibly trite, and in some instances seem to glamorize suicide/self-harm. That's not healthy. I detest the screaming as well. It adds nothing to the music; in fact, I think it makes the music that much worse. I try to be an open-minded music listener--open-eared, if you will--but I don't think I can give these guys a chance past what I've already heard. Does that make me a snob?

SarahCelina (December 2, 2005)

I love this cd! Personally, I found that the lyrics and beats where catchy. I aslo found that there accoustic is also of great quality. I would recomend this to anyone whos not into "emo", because it is infact that. I've seen this group in concert...and loved there show.

fritobandito (December 2, 2005)

calling HH a third-rate Silverstein is an insult to Silverstein. and shit, THEY aren't even great.

Anonymous (November 30, 2005)

emo shits.
-hog-

Anonymous (November 29, 2005)

You people are all insane. This album is awesome!

-Will

thatgrl (November 28, 2005)

it wasnt that bad so everyone can just get over that cause it wasnt the worst cd i ever heard it was good so everyone who is saying shit lik fuck hawthorne heights can go fuck themselves do u ppl know good music ? lmao there are some fuking stupid fukers who put comments on here

Anonymous (November 14, 2005)

this band made me question my sexuality

Anonymous (October 26, 2005)

Eh. Its aiight.
Ohio Is For Lovers is catchy as hell, for all the simpleness of the lyrics.
Niki FM is a better song though.
I bought the cd around when it first came out and I had just ventured into the Emo/Screamo/Hardcore/EmoCore/WTFeveryouwannacallitCore genres, and at the time it sounded like a really good cd. But after listening to a shitload of other bands, This just doesnt compare at all.

Anonymous (October 24, 2005)

Michael,
I think this was a great cd that had diverse songs on it, many people like to say that Hawthorne Heights will sell out like every other p unk band on the market these days. Well if they decide to im sure there fans will be sellin out right next to them because they are so good.

crazytoledo (September 27, 2005)

Let's start a Petition to Get Hawthorne Heights To Never Make Music... AGAIN

Anonymous (September 25, 2005)

Sigh....sad....really sad...so the person below me thinks I've don't know what I'm talking about huh?...lol funny...Actually I borrowed this CD from a girl at my school and listened to it...I acctually thougt it was alright...then everyone started freaking out about it(The time emo came to our school)so I'm like "whoa, there not that good they have some talent but not enough to make me want the CD" so when fuckers like u tell me I don't know what I'm talking about You can go shove it cause I do know what Im fucking talking about...Oh and ur little Punk for life tatoo remark isn't that funny, it's pointless because at least Punks been around longer that this whiny wannabe heavy metal losers we call emo.
Fuck Emo and fuck you
-Vaughan

Angel-Jin (September 22, 2005)

Like all 3 of the other comments I've made on other reviews, I'm into this kind of music, so I hate to be the one person here that's not tatooing "Punk for Life!" on my arm/wherever.

The fact is, people are eating this stuff up. Myself included. It's crap to you, it's music to some, it's epic to few. Regardless, it's music. It's crap to alot of you, but it's music, and some of us can find enjoyment in it.

I know you're all entitled to your opinions, but there's a point when it's crosses over from having a point, to being like Mr/Ms/Mrs. Anonymous below my post jumping on the punk for life wagon with no reason as to why this band sucks.

seriously, you're like .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000001 millimeters higher than the emo kids.

Anonymous (September 18, 2005)

Wow moo...shows how smart you are..."jock metal'..I'm shocked...that wuz such a good remark...I mean really..that wuz preeeetttyyy good...I guess I am a twat...butcha know whut?...At least I don't stick up fer emo pussys...Go to hell emo dick lover.
Vaughan
p.s. Fuck jocks and fuck metal...Punk For Fuckin LIFE!

Anonymous (August 30, 2005)

Vaughan - Lmao you are one cool bastard, threatening people for liking a brand of music over the internet. Can I be you for a day.....please?? I mean I usually keep my threats for people when its face to face but over the internet must be the jock-metal way to do things you fucking twat (ahhh so thats how it feels)

Moo

Anonymous (August 24, 2005)

The fact is that they just learned how to play their instruments last year and you can tell at their live show. The vocals already suck and if youve ever heard them live, HE CANT HIT EVEN ONE FUCKING NOTE!!!!

Bastardzach (August 13, 2005)

Fuck hawthorne heights.

Anonymous (August 10, 2005)

jesus christ all i have to say is, every one of these reviews on here ends up with a bunch of assholes bashing on one or more kinds of music. who the hell wants to hear that their favorite band sucks? seriously... do you guys think you're actually going to change someone elses opinion by saying "your shit sucks"? sorry i dont think so.

anyway hawthorne heights is pretty good, even if you call them a third-rate Silverstein (which is complete bullshit) ya know what, i'll go ahead and take that as a compliment to Hawthorne Heights because Silverstein and h.h. are both really good.

this person is soooooo right! Saying a band sucks isn't gonna make a change on whether we (fans) like it or don't anymore. And i think hh, silverstein, spitalfield, TBS, and bayside rock. And so does EMO. And if you don't think so then don't listen to it because i don't care how musicly talented you might be you aren't better then them.

Anonymous (August 2, 2005)

holy shit. these guys blew me away.....cause they suck so fuckin bad..."Cut my wrists and black my eys".....What the fuck?! If that line wasn't whiny and stupid then castrate me. This band is terrible and can't scream worth shit.....for all of you emo faggot/cross dressers fuck you and I hope you all cut yourselves to death....btw..........FUCK EMO!!!!!!!!!
-Vaughan
p.s. any of you emo pussies
get near me I'll kill you.

crazytoledo (July 30, 2005)

Anything is an opinion. Hell, history is a majority of opinions, because its based on what people think when they record and wrtie the sources and therefore might not be completely true or at least unbiased.

But in the end, for every one of you, there are aroun 1,000,000 people that hate Hawthorne Heights.

Even if it's our opinion and just an opinion, people have the right to state it.

md40_07 (July 30, 2005)

You can never PROVE that a CD sucks...everyone has an opinion about a CD and just because you say "this CD sucks" doesn't make me say "ohh...well in that case i'll just stop listening to it...thanks for letting me know cause i used to like it"

crazytoledo (July 27, 2005)

MD, reivew the reiussue, since you wont give it a 1/2 star and theres no 2nd review, do it.

Everyone will laugh at you because this CD sucks. Sorry to tell you. That's not an opinion, its a fact cause it is proven to be true!

md40_07 (July 25, 2005)

for the last time GC and Simple Plan are gay! I can't stand hearing guys whine about how rich people complain when they are rich. And i'm tired of hearing about 24 year olds singing about how it is to "be a kid". Thank you to TheOtherIvan, this album was predictable but that doesn't make it bad at all...i like this album and many others like it

crazytoledo (July 25, 2005)

If you'd listen to more than bands like GC, Simple Plan, and Story of the Year, you'd know why Hawthorne Heights suck. I wonder if they'd accept a review of the reissue... 1/2 stars. If HH ever gets a good review, Punk News will be a laughing stock.

TheOtherIvan (July 14, 2005)

To agree with the reviewer, this album really isn't anything original. It's standard quality post-hardcore emo screamo whatever. Getting that out of the way, I still like this album. I got this record knowing it really wasn't anything special. I wasn't disapointed, and I was delighted to hear predictable music that I could singalong to and possibly learn on my guitar. Here's a lesson:

Predictability isn't always a bad thing.

Take for example, the new Dropkick Murphy's album. I love them. I got the album, and it was basically the same as their other stuff. But it was good. If a band knows a way to get fans and enjoy themselves, they might as well do it. That's why Hawthorne Heights can get away with writing a sub-par record and still earn a fanbase (don't forget, I actually like them).

Anonymous (July 13, 2005)

i like hawthorne heights, they are a band that do something different despite what brian says. hawthorne heights has a cool combination of breakdowns then speeding up and things that don't normally go together paired up, that means the poppy singing mixed with screams. i'm not saying they are fucking hardcore but they aren't as bad as the people here are saying, thats for sure. it makes it an interesting listen to hear how they combine weird tempos and it adds something to it. if brian thinks they are unoriginal i question his sexuality, and the bands he listens to because in a genre defined by screaming a band that doesn't scream so much is original right?

Anonymous (July 12, 2005)

It could be a concidence.

I dobut its a coincendence that the faggot ass music you listen represtens you...

md40_07 (July 10, 2005)

i doubt its a coincidence that they have a cartoon inspired name and a cartoon inspired song name too

crazytoledo (July 7, 2005)

Maybe they dont. Family Guy was making fun of how southerners talk... Maybe ET is doing the same and not ripping FG.

Dude STFU, you like Hawthorne Heights, 'nuff said...

md40_07 (July 7, 2005)

It should be a crime to say "All bands that have Simpsons inspired names are stupid, but Evergreen Terrance was a good one" honestly there may be 3 or 4 bands that have Simpsons inspired names, plus ET ripps Family Guy

crazytoledo (July 5, 2005)

It should be...

md40_07 (July 5, 2005)

ok fine, i have that DVD too, but just because i was flipping through the channels of The Alternative channel and Fuse to see if anything good was on and HH happened to be on that isn't a freaking crime

crazytoledo (July 4, 2005)

where the hell did you see the HH video then??? dont even tell me the internet

A damn Victory Show DVD with a damn shitty CD that I thought would have soudnde dlike old SPitalfield (somehwta good riffs), wasnt better compared tot he Dark Tranquility CD I got.

Darkest Hour > Any band you will ever like.

md40_07 (July 3, 2005)

"if i could have 1 band end, it would be hh"

ok thanks, because i REALLY needed to know which band u wanted to end, thanks for making my day

Anonymous (July 3, 2005)

Awful shit.

I'm embarrassed for anyone over 16 who listens to this band.

md40_07 (July 3, 2005)

other good shows - Tower Records Next Big Thing, The Dive...where the hell did you see the HH video then??? dont even tell me the internet

crazytoledo (July 2, 2005)

You watch Fuse's program that would show HH.

My point proven. Uranium is good but the rest of Fuse is literally just more of when the orignal MTV airs rock vids, just more of em.

MTV2 & Fuse Shows to Watch:

Headbangers Ball
Uranium

md40_07 (July 2, 2005)

i didn't see the video on Fuse until 2 and a half months after i bought the CD

crazytoledo (July 1, 2005)

the video hit around the same time as the cd released.

if i could have 1 band end, it would be hh.

md40_07 (July 1, 2005)

still nothing to do with the music Toledo, i'll say something about it, HH is a good band, i bought the CD before they went on Fuse and MTV and before anyone had heard of Ohio is For Lovers so dont say i only like stuff thats on TV

crazytoledo (July 1, 2005)

You know what that means?

It means that HH is gay and that the fag as you called the dude, was sucking em off, just another way to say HH is gay.

md40_07 (July 1, 2005)

you got mad at me for calling that dissing Colin, and u say i started shit with him and it had nothing to do with the music...well what the hell does "fluffing" HH between shots have to do with the music?

crazytoledo (July 1, 2005)

no actually, there was s shadow of a guy with a hat on, if u actually watched it instead of just seeing a couple second of it and calling it gay mabye u would have seen it, can't wait for your next quote

ive had to endure the video...

HH should die for such a shitty video. The girl thing still is fucked up...

And the hat dude is prob their gay video director or video crew member that 'fluffed' the HH members inbetween shots...

Anonymous (July 1, 2005)

"Emo" is dead since SDRE broke up and HH is yet ANOTHER nail in its coffin.

0 stars. Negative if I could, simply because they're not only untalented and write bad music, but because they're so horribly unoriginal, I wish I were deaf.

md40_07 (July 1, 2005)

no actually, there was s shadow of a guy with a hat on, if u actually watched it instead of just seeing a couple second of it and calling it gay mabye u would have seen it, can't wait for your next quote

crazytoledo (June 30, 2005)

and there is some fag with a hat in the video too...

Did the singer put a hat on?

md40_07 (June 30, 2005)

pretty sure she grows up in the video and there is some fag with a hat in the video too...

crazytoledo (June 29, 2005)

HH are just as bad as the bands you mentioned.

The only thing I've noticed about em thats reasonable is they packaged ashit load of shit for the rerelease for fans, but hey, it all sucks.

You realize a Ohio band got signed and changed their name from A Day In the Life to a Cal. Area, then uses their old name to milk old material, and their vid for "ohio is for lovers" was petaphile, you know, 5 guys and a 8 year old girl in a house.

But then again, they were too busy with themselves...

md40_07 (June 29, 2005)

Simple Plan and Good Charlotte are the gayest things that have happened to rock if u can even call them that, so no sorry i don't like that shit. Hawthorne Heights is awesome and there re-released CD with the DVD is even better. These guys are rising starts.

Anonymous (June 29, 2005)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You HH fans are so obviously like 14. This band blows goats. Deal with it.

crazytoledo (June 28, 2005)

ARE YOU SERIOUS??? Hawthorne Heights is great!!! They have the perfect blend of meledy and screaming in rock to make them one of the best current day bands! The Silence in Black and White was the highest selling debut album in Victory history, enough said....but

Here is a word from THIS year's spelling bee

Your word is Brian F-A-G-G-O-T

THAT IS CORRECT!!! 5 stars, not even close

And are you a 13 old that think screaming is awesome and have been brain washed into this utter shit and you like, Im tought and am into those hardcore bands Simple Plan and Good Charlotte.

Leave!

md40_07 (June 26, 2005)

ARE YOU SERIOUS??? Hawthorne Heights is great!!! They have the perfect blend of meledy and screaming in rock to make them one of the best current day bands! The Silence in Black and White was the highest selling debut album in Victory history, enough said....but

Here is a word from THIS year's spelling bee

Your word is Brian F-A-G-G-O-T

THAT IS CORRECT!!! 5 stars, not even close

Anonymous (June 26, 2005)

jesus christ all i have to say is, every one of these reviews on here ends up with a bunch of assholes bashing on one or more kinds of music. who the hell wants to hear that their favorite band sucks? seriously... do you guys think you're actually going to change someone elses opinion by saying "your shit sucks"? sorry i dont think so.

anyway hawthorne heights is pretty good, even if you call them a third-rate Silverstein (which is complete bullshit) ya know what, i'll go ahead and take that as a compliment to Hawthorne Heights because Silverstein and h.h. are both really good.

the guitars are great, the drums arent bad, vocals are great, and the lyrics are awesome all together, you'd have to hate emo/screamo not to like these guys...its all a matter of opinion, but all i want to say is you have to realize their musical talent and originality is something new.

Gary1989 (June 25, 2005)

5 stars definatley

Gary1989 (June 25, 2005)

GOD DAMNIT I wish i could kill the person that put " i wish them death " . I know hawthone and Micah would kick your ass bitch. Why dont you say that to his fuckin face bitch. Hawthorne is awsome and one of the best fucking bands ever.

Anonymous (June 17, 2005)

i wish them death.

crazytoledo (May 19, 2005)

Hawthorne Heights is the worst band I've heard of in awhile due to terrible forced shouting, whiny vocals, bad singing, terrible guitars, their mute in the verses, and lyrics so corny and stupid, there funny.

This is an example of how stupid Americans are. Everyone is an AMERICAN IDOT buying shit like this and Green Day and listening to rap... Damn Americans are stupid...

Anonymous (April 15, 2005)

While this album is neither original nor superb, it is good enough for kids dying to listen to their next "cut me/ im dying slowly/ oh my gosh my girlfriend no longer loves me" type screamo record. Its regurgitated music of good quality, which emo kids like myself would by whether you trash the CD or not.
Comparing them to thursday however is a fucking joke! There's not even a comparison worth thinking about.

Anonymous (April 2, 2005)

Bad cd, bad cd

im-dead (March 24, 2005)

And for the record, when i use the term"emo", i would be referring to this new mainstream breed.
We all know bands like Fugazi and Jawbreaker, some of the original "emo" groups fucking rocked and had strong punk rock sensibilties.

im-dead (March 19, 2005)

Yay! Another talentless emo-fashion-core band that's entire fanbase is full of fat chicks and 13 year old guys who have
found a new record (most likely through Mtv) to add to there collection, in amidst simple plan, taking back sunday, snoop dogg, and whatever the fuck else todays obnoxious teeny boppers are listening to (and for the record i AM a teenager),
that is until the next craze comes along.
Utter Shit, i challenge anyone to put forward a solitary reason why this cd is worth buying....come on, give it a go
And while your conjuring that up, try to explain why emo is even considered punk rock!?

Foaming_97 (March 5, 2005)

This band is awesome! I doubt they are anybodys favorite band....but they still kick ass.

Anonymous (February 14, 2005)

fuck you!!! it's pretty pathetic that you would not listen to a band for the mere fact that their style of music happens to be a trend at the present time.Hawthorne heights is a good band. and their some of the nicest people I've ever met there lyrics are compelling and there layered guitar style sounds amazing, your lame oppinion isn't gonna stop hawthorne heights from becoming one of the biggest bands around, so why dont you go back to jacking off in your moms basement asshole!!!

Anonymous (February 14, 2005)

fuck you!!! it's pretty pathetic that you would not listen to a band for the mere fact that their style of music happens to be a trend at the present time.Hawthorne heights is a good band. and their some of the nicest people I've ever met there lyrics are compelling and there layered guitar style sounds amazing, your lame oppinion isn't gonna stop hawthorne heights from becoming one of the biggest bands around, so why dont you go back to jacking off in your moms basement asshole!!!

Anonymous (February 14, 2005)

fuck you!!! it's pretty pathetic that you would not listen to a band for the mere fact that their style of music happens to be a trend at the present time.Hawthorne heights is a good band. and their some of the nicest people I've ever met there lyrics are compelling and there layered guitar style sounds amazing, your lame oppinion isn't gonna stop hawthorne heights from becoming one of the biggest bands around, so why dont you go back to jacking off in your moms basement asshole!!!

Anonymous (February 3, 2005)

i wish i could score this album a zero. but its not even possible. this band is literally the worst "new band" in this trend of shitty ass "emo-core" genre.

screamer616 (December 27, 2004)

this is an awesome album. one of the better albums i've heard all year.

Anonymous (December 25, 2004)

this is by far the worst cd i have ever heard in my entire life.

ThursdayIsStillACrime (November 10, 2004)

Reminds me of the fool that gave Silverstein's "When broken is easily fixed" a 1.. Well Brian, these guys are filled with talent, and they are just a great band. Harmonic when it felt right, heavy at the right times. I think the Silly staff is against Emo/Screamo altogether. Whatever... Hawthorne Heights, keep up the good work.

Anonymous (October 15, 2004)

if you like blink 182, the starting line, and new found glory, check out this really awesome band Stanley. listen to them at this link: www.purevolume.com/stanley

Anonymous (October 14, 2004)

well.. lets see hawthorn heights.. they've got emo, and scream and just good lyrics 10 POINTS!!

Anonymous (October 14, 2004)

totally cooool.

Anonymous (October 4, 2004)

"two words"
THEY ROCK

Anonymous (September 28, 2004)

And I'm sure you all believe that all those hardcore bands with the AWESOME guitar riffs (B-G-D-A, oh yeah we kick ass!), with those INVENTIVE BASSLINES (so what's the guitar playing? What a coincidence, I also happen to be playing the roots of those!) and the ON-TIME drumming (what? 1/2 time?) hate this for it's lack of originality.

Come now, at least they put effort into it. I'm not saying that I don't enjoy Botch, American Nightmare or Bane but when you start rating things for originality in such and overdone genre it really just makes you look like an ass. Now-a-days, if you try to break away from punk and do something new you're "pop-punk" or "alternative" or, on occasion, "crap" but you fit in nicely for screaming about whatever the fuck you want.

Anonymous (September 27, 2004)

Thy're not the best band out there, but they are pretty damn good to me, all you guys who think this band is horrible, imagine all the teen ass that this band gets compaired to the old grandmothers that you bastards give it to. My work here is done. J2K

Anonymous (September 18, 2004)

ok Brian you need to shut up. they rock but what ever. all i have to say is
I HOPE YOU HAVE CANCER

Anonymous (September 12, 2004)

Hawthorn Heights is awesome. you guys have NO idea what your talking about!!

Anonymous (September 5, 2004)

"Blah blah blah....you pussies are just complaining because even though HH isn't the first band in the genre, they make your favorite band sound like the 3rd place winner in a shitty talent show. I feel bad for people who actually come here for intelligent, well-written reviews.....this site is all about trashing pretty much every band that comes out"

haha if the talent show judges are looking for standard music without very talented musicians. Than your right.

-alrightythen

Anonymous (September 5, 2004)

Its because every single person loves screamo/emo what ever its called. It's all crap.

inagreendase (September 5, 2004)

The proper term is "crap."
Is this latest batch of anonymous supporters a joke?
I listen to some shitty bands every now and then, but I listened to this CD about a month ago again just to make sure it really is as bad as I initially thought it was...and it was even worse. The growls are absolutely horrible and completely out of place. The opening track starts off with no momentum whatsoever. The lyrics don't even work well as clichés. It's not even that this band isn't original (but they pull off not doing that well), it's that they sound like absolute shit and can't write a good song.

Anonymous (September 3, 2004)

the proper term would be emo-core.... but i love these guys...

Anonymous (August 31, 2004)

You are totally wrong. I think Hawthorne are awesome. Nobody listen to this try hard idiot, everyone go listen to it yourself and make up your own minds.

Anonymous (August 26, 2004)

just one question for the "individual" who wrote this...are you deaf? hawthorne heights is fuckin AWESOME!

Anonymous (August 18, 2004)

you're crazy! this cd is awesome. i love "emo" and i also listen to "screamo". so what if they aren't the first to come out? they sound good and are AWESOME live. u dont know what ur talking about. they rock hardcore!

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

amazing

Anonymous (August 10, 2004)

"Ohio Is For Lovers"
^cant get enough of that song!!

Anonymous (August 10, 2004)

Hawthorne Heights fucking rules...fuck any1 who says anything different!!!

Anonymous (August 10, 2004)

Come on you guys. yea we might have different tastes..but damn hawthorn heights is awesome.. i like emo and listen to that more than anything but its good so get over your self.

Anonymous (August 3, 2004)

"i accidentally saw them once, and i think they might've been a sextet. maybe not, but either way, there were too many people on the stage. the only thing i remember about them is they had too many stops/cadences/etc. borrrring!"

Hmm... thats weird because I just saw them and they had 3 main people... with a fourth who came in and hit a cowbell thinger that usually sits on the drums.
I give em benifit of the doubt no matter what you all say. They just played in Bwk, GA and they were good. Maybe not the best Ive heard but far from the worst. (And if Im not mistaken they are touring with Calico Systems and Adair... Silverstein wasnt at the show)

Anonymous (August 3, 2004)

"i accidentally saw them once, and i think they might've been a sextet. maybe not, but either way, there were too many people on the stage. the only thing i remember about them is they had too many stops/cadences/etc. borrrring!"

Hmm... thats weird because I just saw them and they had 3 main people... with a fourth who came in and hit a cowbell thinger that usually sits on the drums.
I give em benifit of the doubt no matter what you all say. They just played in Bwk, GA and they were good. Maybe not the best Ive heard but far from the worst. (And if Im not mistaken they are touring with Calico Systems and Adair... Silverstein wasnt at the show)

Anonymous (July 21, 2004)

hawthorne heights are nothing relating to screamo. just because they scream and are a gay emo band doesn't make them screamo. and uh, what the fuck? this cd sucks. 'niko fm' is the only half decent song

hannahlovestom (July 17, 2004)

you guys are all fucking nuts. im from Ohio not too far from were they are from and its fucking awesome and i've heard of them a long time ago you people must not have your fucking eyes open to see how damn amazing they truely are. Their CD took my breath away its AMAZING. and all you people that dont agree dont know what good music is and you need to get your ass off the fucking site. and for the jerk ass that reviewed it THEY ARE FUCKING EMO SCREAMO. there going to complain and scream. so suck dick fuckers

Anonymous (July 4, 2004)

Blah blah blah....you pussies are just complaining because even though HH isn't the first band in the genre, they make your favorite band sound like the 3rd place winner in a shitty talent show. I feel bad for people who actually come here for intelligent, well-written reviews.....this site is all about trashing pretty much every band that comes out.

Anonymous (June 30, 2004)

YOU ARE RETARDED!
how is that for original

titsandtats (June 28, 2004)

i will have to admit that i have only listened to this album once. i know that sometimes it takes a few listens to make a decision, but my first impression was that this band doesnt do anything to stand out. they arent that bad, but they arent that good. i had heard one song online before it was released and it made me want to get the album, but now i guess i am kind of let down.

Anonymous (June 26, 2004)

Hawthorne Heights is awesome and you just ripped em up and in your last sentence you didnt make it seem like you did it that bad.. but i think you shoul oughta listen to em again..

Anonymous (June 26, 2004)

Hawthorne Heights is awesome and you just ripped em up and in your last sentence you didnt make it seem like you did it that bad.. but i think you shoul oughta listen to em again..

Anonymous (June 24, 2004)

hawthorn heights was awsome live and the cd is sweet shut the fuck up

Anonymous (June 24, 2004)

I love this band.....i heard about yall from a friend and as soon as i head the Mp3's yall had i knew i *had* to buy the Cd...and yall have become one of my fave bands and all i can say is good things about u....yall are the next big thing..i can see it...i wish all of u the best of luck...and i will always be a HUGE Hawthorne Heights fan for life haha

Anonymous (June 24, 2004)

wow. i am real suprised at the quantity of negative feedback most of you have been giving. i dont think anyone is arguing the point that HH is unoriginal. i mean how many times can you reinvent the fuckin wheel? i'd give them an 8 b/c i enjoyed the harmonies that most of you tone-deaf mutherfuggers couldnt pick out b/c they are a musically-sound band. but i guess you want something a little more edgy. whatever. i gave them a 10 to balance out all you whiny musically-illeterate tools who cant score an album correctly.

chao!

chumprocker (June 17, 2004)

to the person waaaay below this who asked about A Day In The Life. This is NOT the same band.. the 90s adayinthelife (all one word) was a hardcore supergroup of sorts from Long Island, New York made up of ex-members of - at that time - recently broken up Long Island and NYC bands. most definitely NOT the same band! I'm sure there's a million bands out there named Day In The Life.

Anonymous (June 17, 2004)

"this is victory's worst release yet"

Ahem. I believe that Snow Dogs put an LP out on Victory, and what a vomitous, ruckus that was. Bless those wintery canines for creating the fourth tier of crappulance in the rank of Victory records releases. The Hawthorne Heights record is strictly third tier, along with the likes of Spitalfield, Silverstein, TakingBackSomething, and well just about everything else they put out.

When is the next Snow Dogs record going to be released? I need a good laugh.

Anonymous (June 16, 2004)

Best record of the year.

FortyMinutesWest (June 15, 2004)

It is based on preference, of course, but reviewers review based on their own taste. Of course it's going to be biased, that's human nature.

When you write over 100 reviews, you wade through a lot mediocrity, shitty bands, as well as some good or even great things. Some bands simply are so shitty that they don't deserve an in-depth analysis, this is one such band. Why should a reviewer put more work into the review than the band put into the album?

Anonymous (June 15, 2004)

Because everyone has different tastes, reviews should always be specific and in-depth. And while I don't think Hawthorne Heights are good in any way whatsoever, rating it 2 stars and saying "I wish this was mathcore" at the end doesn't really say much. You've got the standard "this is melodic hardcore", but it must be worse than that, because this reviewer likes a lot of pop bands like he this one to be.

Like Shai Hulud... I could make an entire "review" making fun of their lyrics, which I think are cornball nonsense, but you believe to be genius. When it comes down to it, it's all about differing opinions and tastes. What really makes metally hardcore any better than trendy indie dance-punk? The fact that you prefer a tough guy shouting/barking/gargling the lyrics out with heavy riffs and drums pounding in the background to a wirey skinny boy mock-crooning to what sounds like leftovers from the new romantic movement of the early 80's.

One man's porn mag's another man's clorophone gag.

Anonymous (June 15, 2004)

Because everyone has different tastes, reviews should always be specific and in-depth. And while I don't think Hawthorne Heights are good in any way whatsoever, rating it 2 stars and saying "I wish this was mathcore" at the end doesn't really say much. You've got the standard "this is melodic hardcore", but it must be worse than that, because this reviewer likes a lot of pop bands like he this one to be.

Like Shai Hulud... I could make an entire "review" making fun of their lyrics, which I think are cornball nonsense, but you believe to be genius. When it comes down to it, it's all about differing opinions and tastes. What really makes metally hardcore any better than trendy indie dance-punk? The fact that you prefer a tough guy shouting/barking/gargling the lyrics out with heavy riffs and drums pounding in the background to a wirey skinny boy mock-crooning to what sounds like leftovers from the new romantic movement of the early 80's.

One man's porn mag's another man's clorophone gag.

FortyMinutesWest (June 14, 2004)

Why should a reviewer take a band seriously when they're absolutely terrible. If you're reviewing something shitty, why not have some fun with it?

Anonymous (June 14, 2004)

see that - I said we all make mistakes -
I meant to type misspelling label as "lable"

See it's just so hard to spell incorrectly!

wow, that bombed.
With love
Tyrone

Anonymous (June 14, 2004)

"To whoever posted "Worst band on victory records" Well, Victory isn't known for bands like Hawthorne heights, or even Taking Back Sunday. Victory has always been the hard hitting record lable. Just because you dig some of the stuff, that doesnt mean everything on the lable is going to kick ass. So don't compare them to what's on the lable. Just look at Drive Thru."

Okay, I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt - misspelling label as "label" - hey, we all make mistakes, but spelling it 2x like that, well, that's just unacceptable.

Anonymous (June 14, 2004)

Wow, this has to be the worst review i have ever read. If you're going to review a band, take your job seriously, making lame jokes about a H.O.R.R.I.B.L.E Hawthorne Heights isn't taking your review position seriously. Yes, hawthorne heights is not Original, but that's not always a bad thing. A band can be good/decent without being Original. Hawthorne Heights isn't the cd of the year, in fact it's far from it, but it's not the worst cd of the year either. There songs could have used more screaming involved, and although the lyrics aren't meaningfull and catchy, they're not written unintelligently. Hawthorne Heights Debut Cd is worth picking up. Victory shouldnt have been the record lable to sign them.

To whoever posted "Worst band on victory records" Well, Victory isn't known for bands like Hawthorne heights, or even Taking Back Sunday. Victory has always been the hard hitting record lable. Just because you dig some of the stuff, that doesnt mean everything on the lable is going to kick ass. So don't compare them to what's on the lable. Just look at Drive Thru.

Anonymous (June 14, 2004)

I don't know, dude below, The Hurt Process was pretty disastrous.
-Archipelago

soulbleed (June 14, 2004)

this is victory's worst release yet.

Anonymous (June 14, 2004)

"I am from Dayton Ohio where this band hails from. I am a huge supporter of the local scene and have seen these guys since their "A day in the life days". I have yet to pick up the album and after reading these reviews, im not sure if its worth a listen. "Ohio is for lovers" is an alright track. Casey does way too much screaming period. I caught these guys at the KofC hall in Dayton about 2 months ago and they were just ok. Nothing really stood out. I went to see my friends band when sparks fly.

I will give them some credit with the two lead guitars. There is a little bit of harmony between the two of them at times.

THey were going to be playing the warped tour at columbus and cincinnati but have dropped off to continue touring. Theyre across the country right now touring with the most mentioned band on this thread, SILVERSTEIN.

-chris"

Do you miss Brainiac as much as I do? I think that they were the best that Dayton ever had to offer.

Anonymous (June 14, 2004)

to the person a couple post below... no, its not the same band... those guys back in the 90s were called dayinthelife and hawthorne heights was called a day in the life... still too close... i think its a shitty name either way...

Anonymous (June 14, 2004)

How many bands on this site actually have jazz interludes with a brass section?

*** The Plot to blow up the Eiffel tower ***

Anonymous (June 13, 2004)

Wasn't there a metal band in the mid to late '90s named A Day In The Life?

I remember seeing them on the Strangeland (Dee Snider's shitty movie) tour with Soulfly and hedPE. This can't be the same band, is it?

vocalyouth (June 13, 2004)

These dudes played here in johnstown a couple months ago and not only were they an uninteresting band, but they also got shown up by 3 or 4 local bands, some of which were still in high school. Then they were talking to another band about how they had offers from drive thru and stuff. I guess being really unoriginal is what gets you signed.

This band is awful. They have 3 guitars that don't do anything interesting at all. Their songs aren't memorible. Victory trying to ride the TBS wave of pop/screamo.

aubin (June 13, 2004)

I was going to review this, but I just don't have the capacity to say something like this review - which is what needed to be said. This genre of music has a lot of room for creativity, but there isn't any on this record.

Is it so much to ask to be surprised by music anymore?

TahoeJeff (June 13, 2004)

My prostate is cancer free

Anonymous (June 13, 2004)

I am from Dayton Ohio where this band hails from. I am a huge supporter of the local scene and have seen these guys since their "A day in the life days". I have yet to pick up the album and after reading these reviews, im not sure if its worth a listen. "Ohio is for lovers" is an alright track. Casey does way too much screaming period. I caught these guys at the KofC hall in Dayton about 2 months ago and they were just ok. Nothing really stood out. I went to see my friends band when sparks fly.

I will give them some credit with the two lead guitars. There is a little bit of harmony between the two of them at times.

THey were going to be playing the warped tour at columbus and cincinnati but have dropped off to continue touring. Theyre across the country right now touring with the most mentioned band on this thread, SILVERSTEIN.

-chris

Anonymous (June 12, 2004)

sounds like my shit would taste like.

fucking bad analogy for a shitty band i havent heard.

fuck nu-punk rock.

sk8punx4evr (June 12, 2004)

i accidentally saw them once, and i think they might've been a sextet. maybe not, but either way, there were too many people on the stage. the only thing i remember about them is they had too many stops/cadences/etc. borrrring!

Anonymous (June 12, 2004)

It really can be read either way.

-BSD

FortyMinutesWest (June 12, 2004)

No, read it again, he's saying "that IS differentiating themselves" meaning he thinks they do have it.

BSD (June 12, 2004)

The guy was saying that while InaGreenDase bitches about wanting all of that stuff and that's why he scored this so low, there are barely any bands that have those attributes.

FortyMinutesWest (June 12, 2004)

"This album is good.. but not great.

The reviewer is on crack or something because they said this "Time-signature changes…random jazz interludes with a brass section…grindcore drums…I just wish they'd do SOMETHING to differentiate themselves" I dont know about you but to me that IS differentiating themselves. How many bands on this site actually have jazz interludes with a brass section?"

Wait a second, you listened to this album and actually thought they had those things? This just proves my theory that you need to be deaf to appreciate this shit.

Anonymous (June 12, 2004)

to clarify the post below:

well, even MORE horrible than the others.

Anonymous (June 12, 2004)

I unfortunately had this album for WAY too long, and only listened to it maybe once in all. Very poor. I'm too disgusted to go pick it up from wherever I hid it and read the title or lyrics, but that one song about bringing a radio outside some girl's room is HORRIBLE.

Anonymous (June 12, 2004)

"The reviewer is on crack or something because they said this "Time-signature changes…random jazz interludes with a brass section…grindcore drums…I just wish they'd do SOMETHING to differentiate themselves" I dont know about you but to me that IS differentiating themselves. How many bands on this site actually have jazz interludes with a brass section?"

No no no! You misunderstood him, retard. He's saying IF they DID have those things, not that they DO. He's saying anything to switch it up would be welcome.

Thou must learneth to read, and compute what thou art reading.

cheerio

Anonymous (June 12, 2004)

"one day Victory will learn that just because every other label has a band that sucks at playing screamo doesn't mean they need one too."

or 12

Anonymous (June 12, 2004)

Wait wait, before even reading the comments i can gurantee BSD is out hating on "modern music".

I SAVED LATIN,
bryan styles

thriceequalsgod (June 12, 2004)

BSD, i wouldn't be so quick to judge.. He doubtlessly listens to a lot of fucking pop punk, but he does listen to a lot of different shit..

Anonymous (June 12, 2004)

This is why Victory is #1, in the business.

How about that Spitalfield record? Pretty awesome, eh?

Anonymous (June 12, 2004)

edit post below: OPINION on bands.

time for bed....

Anonymous (June 12, 2004)

edit for post below: your opinon ON bads.

Anonymous (June 12, 2004)

dear opivykid,

I remember recently reading a post on here about Engine Down singing to Lookout, and you posting about how terrible they are. That post alone causes you to loose all credibility what-so-ever when discussing your opinion bands.

Now onto pleasent note... Hawthore Heights are horrible.

Anonymous (June 12, 2004)

This shit gets played far too much on PRC

BSD (June 12, 2004)

And I'm not saying "It'll fuck you up, little man!" I'm saying that you obviously have no idea what you're talking about unless you're so jaded you expect every band to play mathcore, which would make mathcore boring, which means having songs that have a clear verse/chorus relationship and not much else exciting. And I highly doubt anyone that loves pop-punk as much as you would enjoy or understand grind.

BSD (June 12, 2004)

Hahahaha I challenge InaGreenDase to listen to "Scum" since he's such a huge grindcore fan now.

ihavechappedlips (June 12, 2004)

This album is good.. but not great.

The reviewer is on crack or something because they said this "Time-signature changes…random jazz interludes with a brass section…grindcore drums…I just wish they'd do SOMETHING to differentiate themselves" I dont know about you but to me that IS differentiating themselves. How many bands on this site actually have jazz interludes with a brass section?

Anonymous (June 12, 2004)

UGH! I heard their demo song on the Victory Spring sampler and the first thing that came to my mind is Silverstein.

Who the fuck wants to copy Silverstein? Terrible...

Ramo

Jesse (June 11, 2004)

I saw a TV commercial for this shit-pile saying stuff like,

"FUCKING BUY IT ALREADY, IT'S LIKE THURSDAY WHICH IS LIKE TAKING BACK SUNDAY! d00d! I MEAN IT!"

Well, somewhat of that extent.

Anonymous (June 11, 2004)

well i guess its time to delete these songs off of my computer

Anonymous (June 11, 2004)

Third Rate Silverstein?

Shudder

Barkley

Anonymous (June 11, 2004)

This just reassures me that people don't have a care in the world about lyrics.

Anonymous (June 11, 2004)

one day Victory will learn that just because every other label has a band that sucks at playing screamo doesn't mean they need one too.

Anonymous (June 11, 2004)

Those lyrics make me feel like retching, fucking terrible.

-Strewtho

Anonymous (June 11, 2004)

Victory has morals and standards?

they make many bands change their names. i bet Thursday used to be called Monday Morning before they signed to Victory.

opivykid (June 11, 2004)

"second-rate Spitalfield"

...something THAT shitty, is completely impossible...

Anonymous (June 11, 2004)

You probably havent heard of them cause they changed their name right before they got picked up by Victory... They used to be called "A Day In The Life"...

Anonymous (June 11, 2004)

Those stickers are really obnoxious. But they do warn away the unwary or unduly optimistic.

Anonymous (June 11, 2004)

I'm from cincinnati, ohio. These guys are from middletown/dayton ohio. I have never heard or seen them before. That was a bad sign from the start. I picked it up cause i like supporting the locals and i heard ohio is for lovers and thought it was decent. The rest of the cd however, leaves one questioning victory's reasons and morals behind releasing this. It truly is cliche and unoriginal. i should have bought the new piebald instead. It's not an excrutiatingly painful listen, b ut it is by no means enjoyable. And i am sick and tired of those stickers that say, "HEY, DO YOU LIKE THURSDAY AND TAKING BACK SUNDAY????? YOU"LL LOVE THESE GUYS." of course this had that on the cd.

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