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Hopesfall: A-TypesA-Types (2004)
Trustkill Records

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I remember that one of the first reviews I wrote was the incredibly crappy one I did on Hopesfall's last album, which I still consider a gem of metalcore. With that said, whether or not my reviews have gotten better over time is up to people's opinion, and that is exactly how Hopesfall new album A-.
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I remember that one of the first reviews I wrote was the incredibly crappy one I did on Hopesfall's last album, which I still consider a gem of metalcore. With that said, whether or not my reviews have gotten better over time is up to people's opinion, and that is exactly how Hopesfall new album A-Types works out.

This album is pretty much going to make new fans and completely alienate their old ones...or at least, that's my prediction. The boys of Hopesfall have evolved, or devolved, depending on which way you look at their new melodically-heavy-to-points-of-insanity new effort. The album is full of slow-paced, very polished sounding, emotion-filled tunes, that although preformed well, lose their punch as they continue their sluggish pace for forty-plus minutes.

A-Types opens with the methodically slow "It Happens." There isn't a whole lot of screaming nor headbanging, no heavy guitars, no double-bass, no sing-along gang vocals, and basically no trace of hardcore elements whatsoever on this track. The song resembles the album as a whole for the most part, as the boys of Hopesfall have taken a much more melodic turn than their previous efforts. With that said, the song really isn't that bad. The guitar work is nicely done and you can, every now and then, hear a little metal-tinged guitar hook throughout. However, at over four minutes, it suffers from exactly what the new album suffers from. Maybe I feel this is a letdown because years of listening to Shai Hulud, where their guitar hooks lead into more guitar hooks, and Kid Dynamite, where a forty second song is almost too long, I have forgotten how to sit back and enjoy what is happening. But on "It Happens," nothing really is happening, and when any flashes of brilliance come out, Hopesfall goes back into the repetitive droning that is the whole song.

But not all hope is lost, a couple of songs like "Matchmaker's Heaven" perked my interest which at least manages to pack an energetic punch and give a slight nod to the hardcore roots that the band had in previous releases. With the dual metal-influenced riffs combined with a soft croon, the song managed to keep me listening for the most part. "Start and Pause" is yet another example of this energy that seems to be lacking from most of the album.

Once again, I am a big fan of Hopesfall's previous releases, and I was highly anticipating this one. The band has evolved; I just don't really care for what they evolved into. They sound just as tight as ever, but A-Types plods along so slowly without much variation that it passes by in an unimaginative blur. Still, it is far from being terrible. It's just rather uninspiring.

 

 
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xxjohnnyrocketxx (December 29, 2006)

This is one of those albums that you need to really listen to. I am a huge fan of hopesfall, and was excited when this cd came out, and when I put it in my player, I said to myself "this is not hopesfall".

I set it aside for about a year, put it back into my cd player and really gave it the listen it deserved. this is some really good stuff. I would recommend it to everyone. Don't expect old Hopesfall, listen to it like you were listening to another band entirely.

Satelliteyrs (October 2, 2006)

perfect

Anonymous (January 20, 2006)

With only one original member what should I have expected. I've given this CD a try many times in the past year, but I can't even get into it for what it is. The sound they have now has been done better by so many other bands.

Oh well.

whatchokesbegin (July 29, 2005)

If they had changed the name of the band, would you still hate it?

It definitely doesn't suck. Far from it. It's not the Hopesfall I have known and loved from No Wings To Speak Of, however, I like it quite a bit. A lot actually. Honestly, I liked The Satellite Years. I loved the atmosphere I got from listening and looking at the artwork. It was breathtaking. However, I have yet to listen to it and remember more than a third of the songs on it. Seriously, it gets annoying, it's so average. Think about it this way: TSY is no where near as good as NWTSO.That's only four songs. After such a mediocre album which was more than twice as long, I think that a new approach was due. Obviously, most of their catalog wasn't cutting it anymore and maybe they realized that they were going downhill.

So much whining. Sooo much whining. Not from Hopesfall, but from you people. Here is a newsflash that I don't think most of you have ever seen before:

SOFT OR SLOW DOES NOT MEAN BAD

or maybe this:

LOUD, UNRECOGNIZABLE MUSIC IS NOT ALL THERE IS TO LIFE

or perhaps:

GET THE FUCK OVER YOURSELVES, THIS ALBUM IS PRETTY GOOD

Not terrible. Not shitty. Not bad.

This album is good. Not spectacular, but good.

You people need to loosen up. It could have been MUCH worse.

benz (July 12, 2005)

Hopesfall?! What the hell did you do?

Holy shit, this is a huuuuge change. My friend burned me this disc because we were both fans of the band. he didn't tell me about it, he was just like "listen and you will have to form your own opinion. i'm in shock."

This wasn't even worth the CD-R. Trustkill, as a label, should not exist. Poison the Well was the only worthwhile band to appear on that label.

-benz

Anonymous (May 18, 2005)

this album fucking blows monkey balls. learn from my mistake dont buy it.

Anonymous (May 8, 2005)

due hopesfall was my favorite band!! end of an era is quite possible the best metalcore song ever, but A types sucks, I ask myself why the fuck did lead vocal Doug have to leave!!! his voice was fuckn awsome!!! and why did the rest of hopesfall have to get this pussy jay whatever!!

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

fuck you Hopesfall, biggest waste of $14 in history

Anonymous (February 26, 2005)

This stuff is okay if you like post-hardcore/emo, which i do sort of. However for myself and my friends who have seen these guys at garage shows at the beginning... Well, we wanna f*cking gouge our eyes out b/c this album is horsesh!t compared to frailty/no wings. The end of an era is possibly one of the best hardcore songs ever. I mean, sattelite years provided the direction they were going, but it never predicted... "hey, were going to write trashy melodic emo trash for all the little boys that like to dance together and hold hands at our shows" pssst they shoulda just stopped after sattelite years. I will still remain a solid fan to the old skool tunes, but after listening to this crap, i would rather have puff daddy go down on my mother. Hopesfall, what have you done? !

Anonymous (February 15, 2005)

I haven't heard all the album, but why the fuck did they have to sell-out. Icarus sounds NOTHING like hopesfall. They sound like a pussy version of Glassjaw. Their other albums were so good. I think it's because of the new members in the group. Somehow I hope on there next album they go back to their roots, and stop with this pussy emo shit.

Anonymous (February 2, 2005)

What the fuck is up with this pile of shit? At one time i thought Hopesfall was great. All i got to say is if you like this band please for your own sake dont buy the new cd cause now there just joining the emo cry core crap." sell out mother fuckers".
For all the peeps who like there old shit maybe you should try somthing new rather than buying hopesfalls new one by mistake. My suggestion, try Metalblade.com cause there still putting out the cream of the crop for real. And they have mp3 downloads for all the rad shit.

Anonymous (January 25, 2005)

look man...there have been ppl that follwed this band from the days of basement shows..wow we all have loved this band for what it is and its not that ne more..josh ur the man whats goin on dude? jay what the fuck satelite years was a defining moment in my life that cd made me apreciate music and now its gone the flare..ur style.. the screams..u created ur own type of music and had fans follow like cult members and just tottally changed..this isnt evolving this is selling out....its not even the same kinda of music it blows

Anonymous (January 25, 2005)

nice album, why dont they change their name too WEAREGENERICWELOVEGUYS....fuck hopesfall, fuck them up their stupid asses

Anonymous (January 25, 2005)

hey jay, sing old hopesfall " UNTIL THE DAY I DIE" u faggot

slippy (December 29, 2004)

Not bad.

Anonymous (December 13, 2004)

damn sorry about the triple, well now quadruple posting...it took me a couple of times to get the # of stars i wanted cuz the rating thing is weird haha...but yeah, my first post on here so whatever...oh and does anyone feel really bad for Mock Orange not winning the MTV2 deal? it's dumb...River City Hight sucks compared to both Mock Orange and Kite Eating Tree, stupid MTV...

Anonymous (December 13, 2004)

Bands evolve and grow as songwriters/musicians, get used to it. It's obvious that this album is no SY's, but then again what's wrong with that? SY's was awesome and personally I think this album is pretty good too despite a couple of songs being more or less average(those two on the E-card I was like "what the hell happened..."). Bands like Mock Orange, PGMG, 311, and Saves the Day have all evolved and "changed" as a whole to some degree album to album, and as a musician and former band member I can respect/appreciate that. Just don't call Hopesfall "sell outs"(dumbest term ever) just because they aren't playing SY's again. This new album has the band taking chances with a new sound that is really not that bad. The melodies are good, they can still be heavy whenthey want to, and I have to say the singing style sounds pretty good. Besides, atleast they don't sound like Simple Plan or something like that...

Anonymous (December 13, 2004)

Bands evolve and grow as songwriters/musicians, get used to it. It's obvious that this album is no SY's, but then again what's wrong with that? SY's was awesome and personally I think this album is pretty good too despite a couple of songs being more or less average(those two on the E-card I was like "what the hell happened..."). Bands like Mock Orange, PGMG, 311, and Saves the Day have all evolved and "changed" as a whole to some degree album to album, and as a musician and former band member I can respect/appreciate that. Just don't call Hopesfall "sell outs"(dumbest term ever) just because they aren't playing SY's again. This new album has the band taking chances with a new sound that is really not that bad. The melodies are good, they can still be heavy whenthey want to, and I have to say the singing style sounds pretty good. Besides, atleast they don't sound like Simple Plan or something like that...I give this a 4/5

Anonymous (December 13, 2004)

Bands evolve and grow as songwriters/musicians, get used to it. It's obvious that this album is no SY's, but then again what's wrong with that? SY's was awesome and personally I think this album is pretty good too despite a couple of songs being more or less average(those two on the E-card I was like "what the hell happened..."). Bands like Mock Orange, PGMG, 311, and Saves the Day have all evolved and "changed" as a whole to some degree album to album, and as a musician and former band member I can respect/appreciate that. Just don't call Hopesfall "sell outs"(dumbest term ever) just because they aren't playing SY's again. This new album has the band taking chances with a new sound that is really not that bad. The melodies are good, they can still be heavy whenthey want to, and I have to say the singing style sounds pretty good. Besides, atleast they don't sound like Simple Plan or something like that...I give this a 4/5

Anonymous (December 13, 2004)

Bands evolve and grow as songwriters/musicians, get used to it. It's obvious that this album is no SY's, but then again what's wrong with that? SY's was awesome and personally I think this album is pretty good too despite a couple of songs being more or less average(those two on the E-card I was like "what the hell happened..."). Bands like Mock Orange, PGMG, 311, and Saves the Day have all evolved and "changed" as a whole to some degree album to album, and as a musician and former band member I can respect/appreciate that. Just don't call Hopesfall "sell outs"(dumbest term ever) just because they aren't playing SY's again. This new album has the band taking chances with a new sound that is really not that bad. The melodies are good, they can still be heavy whenthey want to, and I have to say the singing style sounds pretty good. Besides, atleast they don't sound like Simple Plan or something like that...I give this a 4/5

Anonymous (December 7, 2004)

Fuck this new taking back sunday meets judas priest shit. Fuck you hopesfall, i was with them since the beginning, since their lame ass webpage was like angelfire. Com/hopesfall33 or some shit, through two lead singers, and now they pull this album of their ass. Wtf is wrong with them? Did bono help write the lyrics? Is that the edge making a guest appearance on track 5? Fuck you all

Anonymous (December 3, 2004)

I've been a huge fan of theirs since I saw them live at a Solid State Tour either in 98 or 99 when they filled in for Zao. Frailty of Words and No wings to Speak of are two of my favorite CDs of all time. The Satelite years is a great CD as well, and you can see the difference and direction they were heading in with a new front man that has more vocal range then Doug did. Now that Josh is the only original member it's easy to see that they would sound pretty different. I've only heared the two songs off the E-card from the trustkill website, but I'm definitely going to give this CD a try. I miss the days of the first line up. Doug was an awsome front man to see on stage, and Ryan was great with his back up vocals and guitar work =).

Anonymous (December 2, 2004)

The first time I heard Hopesfall is when our band played with them, they rocked the show, I was very effected by their performence. They gave me a copy of the sattelite years which is a very respectible album. A-Types (in my opinion) is also a very respectable album and the songs are just flat out solid, well written.

soulbleed (November 14, 2004)

the first track on this cd made it onto a mix cd i made for my car, but honestly i haven't made it past that track on the real cd. i like that one song though. :D

Anonymous (November 13, 2004)

about changing their name - i think it would have been appropriate if josh (the only orignal member) would have started a different band w/ the guys who are in hopesfall now, but it's been a gradual change - i don't think they've ever lost more than one member at a time.

Anonymous (November 12, 2004)

only fashion kids like this band. face it or face death

Anonymous (November 11, 2004)

but it is a completely different band, they should have just changed their name

Anonymous (November 11, 2004)

who ever said they were supposed to make the same album? hopesfall never made the same album. both previous full-lengths and the e.p. were all in the same genre, but were very different albums. we're talking about a band completely changing their style. tons of bands have kept the same style and never made the same album twice.

Anonymous (November 11, 2004)

Disappointing. Very disappointing. I do agree with one of the comments below about bands making the same record over and over again. I see how that can get boring. But that doesn't necessary make the people who spent money on the album feel any better about it. If the music sucks, it's gonna get ripped.

Anonymous (November 11, 2004)

well being that there is only one original member left from the frailty of words days, you guys arent too smart to expect the same album over and over again

Anonymous (November 11, 2004)

dude how tight are your jeans?
only about half as long as your fringe

FortyMinutesWest (November 11, 2004)

Everyone knows that Nora is the best band on Trustkill.

Anonymous (November 11, 2004)

"Hey fuckface, my two favorite labels are Jade Tree and Dischord. Notice my username? Named after a song by Jets to Brazil? Go sandbag your mom you gaylord.

-Chinatown"

Dude, REM suck.

ThursdayIsStillACrime (November 11, 2004)

Good stuff, last records = 10, this an 8. Not too much to say, pretty good job.

Anonymous (November 10, 2004)

they definitely strayed from their original sound. but its not terrible... makes good background music.

Anonymous (November 10, 2004)

How can you trust a label with a name like "Trustkill" to release records of quality?

-Chinatown

Yeah, its no Fat or Epitaph, the only two labels you know.

(I do hate Trustkill though.)"

Hey fuckface, my two favorite labels are Jade Tree and Dischord. Notice my username? Named after a song by Jets to Brazil? Go sandbag your mom you gaylord.

-Chinatown

Anonymous (November 10, 2004)

Ohh and fuck trustkill!!! The stuff they've been putting out the last year or two is absolutely pathetic. Most of it isnt even hardcore!! Bleeding Through- shit, Eighteen Visions- fashioncore flamers (lay off the eyeliner you Orange County assholes!), and Throwdown (stop ripping off Hatebreed!!!). I will say that the Terror cd is pretty good though....

Anonymous (November 10, 2004)

This album sucks!!!! They completely lost all of their balls! There is not one trace of hardcore or metal on this CD!! And I'm not gonna lie, I liked The Satelite Years, but this is just a pathetic emo-post hardcore-rock-melodic mass of shit!!!

Anonymous (November 10, 2004)

the guy 5 posts down couldn't have said it any better

pwfanatic (November 10, 2004)

to the guy a couple below me three things:
1) thanks for astutely noticing how bad my review for their last album was...oh wait, i pointed that myself.
2) Just because I don't like the sound doesn't mean i lose the right to review it. i gave my reasons for why i think the album isn't that good, and i stand by them. if we only let people who write reviews the ones who masturabate to (insert band here)'s new album, than this site would be littered with 10 star glowing reviews of everything.
3) feel free to write you own. i encourage it. generally the albums that end up getting multiple reviews are the ones that are conflciting. enjoy yourself with your writing.

Anonymous (November 10, 2004)

hopesfall is ass garbage, new record and old.

DFelon204409 (November 10, 2004)

This is one of the most miserable reviews I've ever read. Almost as bad as your review of The Satellite Years in which you reveal you fetish for FATA and inability to write a review that evaluates the band by themselves. Here you are evaluating the album negatively because you can't get over the fact that it sounds different. You at least admit that you don't care for what they've evolved into but that fact rescinds your right to write a review of the album. You are an idiot. Now I must write one to show a bipartisan view of the album.

CrookedSuperhero (November 10, 2004)

How can you trust a label with a name like "Trustkill" to release records of quality?

-Chinatown

Yeah, its no Fat or Epitaph, the only two labels you know.

(I do hate Trustkill though.)

Anonymous (November 9, 2004)

i was really looking forward to this record. frailty of words is not great, but has some really good songs and is pretty solid for a debut. no wings to speak of is brilliant as far as i'm concerned, and i have yet to hear any band mix melody and brutality so effectively. "end of an era" is one of my all-time favorite songs. i love the satellite years as well, and thought the blending of atmospheric elements with hardcore worked extremely well. this new hopesfall though - i just don't know. while they're clearly light years ahead of most bands doing the whole relatively accessible, heavy but melodic rock with occasional hardcore leanings thing, i miss the old hopesfall. i miss the linear songs that moved and weaved and never repeated a section twice. i loved the melodic build-ups in songs like "dana walker," "the bending," and "april left with silence" that left you begging for the band to just explode, and left you feeling like a million bucks when they did. but - i guess that's gone now. were this a record by some band i never heard of, i'd probably be pretty impressed. but this is hopesfall. and ... it's just not the same.

Anonymous (November 9, 2004)

you want good metalcore or screamo or whatever the fuck you call it these days then listen to CODESEVEN'S "DIVISION OF LABOR"

bemused (November 9, 2004)

The metalcore scene is currently residing in a Hospus. You know its doomed, but have no idea when its gonna kick the bucket.

Hopesfall are doing no more than leaving the sinking ship

-Chris-

Anonymous (November 9, 2004)

Nope.

-notfeelingcreative

FortyMinutesWest (November 9, 2004)

This band was never anything special.

Anonymous (November 9, 2004)

"similar cover art as the hope conspiracy's last release"

every time i see it, my first reaction is "the hope con! oh, oh wait..."

Anonymous (November 9, 2004)

SNAP!

maybe if pitchfork gave this a 10, chinatown would be all over it

sickboi (November 9, 2004)

You'd think with all that stolen equipment they could make a decent album...

Icapped2pac (November 9, 2004)

"This album is pretty much going to make new fans and completely alienate their old ones"

I predict the same thing. I wish they would've stuck closer to the sound of "The Satellite Years", but this is still pretty good. I can totally see how most of their would fucking abhor it, though.

Anonymous (November 9, 2004)

similar cover art as the hope conspiracy's last release

Jesse (November 9, 2004)

Yeah, that one kid's statement summed up this band perfectly.

Anonymous (November 9, 2004)

The message below epitomizes the hardcore/punk/emo scene

Anonymous (November 9, 2004)

hands down, the catchiest album ive heard all year..i dont understand why certain people set such high standards for certain bands. maybe its cuase your not musicians yourselves and do not understand the concept of maturing or going towards a new direction becuase you don;'t want to play the same thing album after album after album.I give these guys mad props for taking a chance with this.. this is some great pot smoking music too.

Anonymous (November 9, 2004)

this record sucks dick. another good band gone.

Anonymous (November 9, 2004)

*yawn*

Anonymous (November 9, 2004)

not bad - a little more melodic than their previous album, but a lot less aggressive

Anonymous (November 9, 2004)

How can you trust a label with a name like "Trustkill" to release records of quality?

-Chinatown

Anonymous (November 9, 2004)

this album is so adverage it makes me sick. i was so pissed.

Anonymous (November 9, 2004)

Mediocre, too. Sorry. I'm a dipshit.

Anonymous (November 9, 2004)

Eh, an okay album. Mediore at best.

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