I have a few songs off of the cd.
but i havent heard all of them.
WHERE CAN I BUY THIS CD?!?!

I'm about a year late on this topic, and I doubt anyone will read this.. But you all were a bit harsh on this guy. I believe SkyCameFalling's "A Penny For Your Confessions" demo was released in 1997; so it's not as if this band were generic, and ripping off countless bands before them. A Penny For Your Confessions was in the same style that 10.21 was in; the only difference is that 10.21 was released about 4 years later. This band may not be the most innovative and important band in hardcore, but they certainly deserve some credit in doing something a little different nearly 9 years ago.

btw, have u heard THE SLEEPING? Whadda bunch of shit.

Actually, I do check these old reviews from time to time. Especially at 5 in the morning when I'm having bouts of insomnia, as I have recently.

I'm glad you like the reviews so much, and it really makes taking the time to write them worth it if they can impact even one person. And I definitely understand your first impressions of the new AOF. I played the hell out of that first album, probably moreso than I had any other album that year, and I couldn't get enough of it. Then I got ahold of their Heart Skull EP, that they had on tour with them in the spring of 4, it had Sharks And Danger and Get Fighted on it, and I thought they were alright, but I didn't really like the new direction. Then I heard when 'Accidents' was put up for streaming on the Equal Vision site, and I couldn't stand the song. I remember being pretty apprehensive about the new cd, and the first few listens didn't impress me at all. I forced myself to listen to it though, and eventually came to see just how good the songs were. The new elements they incorporated, the transitions, and the overall improvement in the actual songwriting. Save a few songs on the self titled, I thought these were leaps ahead of what they did on that. The same ferocity is still there, but they've expanded on it, and the dual vocals sound so much better. It's just an extremely well made cd, and it's got tons and tons of replay value. It was released six months ago, and I was just listening to it today. I buy and download new music all the time, I've got some 500 cds, and 13,000 songs on my computer, but I always come back to that album.

Man, insomnia will make you ramble. Anyhow, I'm glad you liked the reviews, and keep writing some of your own. I really can't say I like the album you reviewed, but I like the review itself and look forward to seeing some more.

- Jordan

Dude, I don't know if you'll ever see this comment, But I hope you do, since this is the only means I can contact you. I just want to tell you that you wrote two of the best reviews I've ever read, for two of my all-time fave bands/albums: Alexisonfire - "Watch Out!" and Skycamefalling - "10.21".

I'm not a pro on reviews or anything, and yeah, obviously, my taste in music is always questioned. My roomie always makes fun of me cuz I have like NO musical cred at all; he thinks I like a lot of amazing stuff, but at the same time, he thinks I like a lot of shitty shit too. But, both of these albums in question are reviewed so perfectly in sync with how I feel about them. Let me explain... First, with the Skycamefalling release, "10.21", which was sadly their only full length.

"I'm just going to preface by saying this is the album that got me into hardcore music. And although three long years later I really despise most hardcore with the exception of a few bands, I do owe it this debt of gratitude, to maybe let kids hear them that haven't. Granted, the number of kids who haven't heard Skycamefalling are likely few, but if I could make this album as important for somebody else as it was for me then, and still is, then this review has a purpose. A purpose because not only did it get me into hardcore, but underground music in general, and I'm forever thankful."

I was just explaining to my girlfriend, after discussing getting back into older bands that got me into the underground (at the time) hardcore/punk/math rock, etc. scene. Just like you, SCF was probably the first band that I ever really had any kind of love for that found itself in the "hardcore" or "metalcore" or "screamo" genres.. They were screamy yet poetic, before it was cool to be screamy and poetic. And, yes, the whole "scene" now really really really sucks, and sometimes I kick myself for even being remotely associated with any "-core" bands. But I will never be ashamed that I am and was a HUGE Skycame falling fan. I am, like you, so grateful that I came across (by accident, too) a band like these guys who introduced me to music that I always defined as "beautiful and melodic in the most scariest and dark sense", cuz honestly, I think I might still be a nu-metal head now like I was in the 9th grade.

"These guys are missed. "

Yes they will. I know of a sideproject though, but it's definately something to ignore. The Sleeping has got to be the worst attempt at the whole fashion-emo-pop-I dunno what music thing I've ever heard. Maybe you've heard of others? Lemme know... Oh well, their 2-song EP was great too, but you could totally tell if they went on that it just wouldn't be the same. Maybe a good thing then huh?

Now the Alexisonfire "Watch Out!" review. This is, by far, my favorite band right now. A few years ago, I followed these guys (as well as good buddies in At The Mercy Of Inspiration) on a few dates here on the east coast of Canada, and got their logo tattooed on my chest (kinda lame i know) back before they hit it big. But at the time, I didn't care. When their first album came out, i was so fucking all about these guys, it was sickening. They'd be all I listened to, all I talked about, and no one knew what the fuck i was talking about. I was so reluctant to pick up "Watch Out!" though.... It had been almost a year or so after their first album came out, and Alexisonfire had released 3 videos since, and fuck man, they were so big on MuchMusic and the surrounding Toronto area.

"Evolution. It's necessary for people to survive, and just as, if not more necessary for music, and musicians to survive. Nobody wants to see the same retread album done over and over. Bands cannot get away with long careers if they don't change their sound. "

So, I got to know the AOF guys kinda well, and before a show in Montreal, I got to sit in their van and listen to a little bit of their first album (unmastered, mind you) and I panicced. I can't remember what tracks they were, or if I even liked them, but it was SO different... and so fucking catchy. Now, I know it and admit it, as should everyone else, when I say that I HATE it when bands get popular, no matter how much you want nothing but the best for them, and they catch the Sugar Ray bug. And then I got an early pressing of "Watch Out!" in the mail... and I hated it. Fucking hated it. I didnt even really listen to it all the way through, and I just couldn't stand it, and it sat on my desk for weeks, never played.

But then, believe it or not, I read this review. The opening paragraph made me say to myself "Fuck. I am an idiot. Of course this album is fucking amazing!" I didn't even know it was you who wrote it, but now that I frequent this site a lot more than I used to, I have to give you some serious props for that. It's true.

A lot of AOF fans hate the new album, which of course, means a lot of those Simple Plan listening dicks your little sister hangs out with love it. But they probably werent given a good sitting down and told what you told me. Sure, it sounds practically nothing like their first album, but ppl just gotta take it for what it is. It's not a sequel or continuation: it's an evolution. I mean, we all grow up, get into different things, go through different and new experiences, etc., so why can't a band? So yeah OK, they're "poppier" and not as aggressive as they used to be. And now they're a Much Music band, something that NOBODy likes, but goddamn... they do it so well that it's cool!

Ok well I'm sorry for rambling on and on... but I just had to blurt the above things out. Thanks for your time dude...
TYLER
pro-show@hot-shot.com

overrated.

i agree that hardcore and metal in general is beginning to suck now. There are some damn good bands still(lots of them) but it is pretty sucky. So I think everyone should listen to absolutely nothing but skycamefaling for the rest of their lives. fuck anything else, fuck it all, and fuck opinions. The way someone thinks should be the way it is.
-j money

"On one hand, Skycamefalling, along with Converge, was one of the first bands whose lyrics didn't focus on brotherhood, vigilance, unity, and all those other tough guy hardcore lyrical staples."

Are you mental?

All in all, sky came falling is nowhere near as original or influential as the reviewer thinks they are.

sing/scream/cry about my ex-gf and then write a song about killing her bands

dude that's basically what SCF is...

maybe you need to go back and check on some of those dates (twelve tribes, red roses, and harvest aside from the slow crappy 7" and first cd) were all after scf. yes morning again and new day rising were before them, but i am absolutely certain that members of scf swore by those bands. you have to remember scf had the first ep before this, same style, same band, but in 1998 or 1997, i dont remember exactly. i know the guys were influenced by bands like ndr, strongarm, morning again, mind over matter, but hell i wouldnt lump them into the genre with all these other terrible sing/scream/cry about my ex-gf and then write a song about killing her bands

actually, sky came falling was around before the whole flock of bands that have literally detroyed this genre of music. there was no FATA at the time or another band that sounds just like them. yes, there were bands that came before them and did play in the same genre i.e. shai hulud, however if go back and check the dates scf were before poison the well, hopesfall, etc. they all just happened to get big at the same time.

Someone hasn't heard of Morning Again, New Day Rising, Twelve Tribes, Red Roses for a Blue Lady, Harvest, etc. That style was prevalent in Florida bands on Eulogy and Trustkill way before SCF came around.

i second the notion that the only band that did what shai hulud did (does) was strongarm. go listen to advent of a miracle. & like that guy says, unbroken. life.love.regret.

I've listened to Unbroken quite a bit, and I don't see it at all.

shai halud sounded SO MUCH like unbroken. listen to life.love.regret and hearts once nourished in a row and you'll see what i mean. it never actually occured to me till i listened to them together. and i'm not dissing shai hulud, i do think they're a good band.

p.s. let's see more love for threadbare and unbroken! christ, those bands could eat just about any band since for breakfast.

here are some intelligent lyrics from the hardest hardcore band on the planet, Bro!

"My friends look out for me like FAMILEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!"

i said genre, not carbon copy. yes bands like threadbare existed before them, however i wouldnt have called them metalcore, not then, not now

How is Shai Hulud a carbon copy of any of those bands? The only band that was doing something similar to what Shai Hulud did was Strongarm.

Are you saying shai hulud and sky came falling are the forerathers of this whole metalcore genre? Those are still relatively new bands. Listen to threadbare, unbroken, 108, starkweather, etc etc. You'll see that shai hulud and SKF are just carbon copies of earlier bands.

actually, sky came falling was around before the whole flock of bands that have literally detroyed this genre of music. there was no FATA at the time or another band that sounds just like them. yes, there were bands that came before them and did play in the same genre i.e. shai hulud, however if go back and check the dates scf were before poison the well, hopesfall, etc. they all just happened to get big at the same time.

This whole who has the best lyrics thing is pointless because its all personal. What means something to you might not mean shit to me, and vice versa.

Wow, this reviewer is totally clueless. I'm a fan of sky came falling but when I think of this band originality doesn't really come to mind. In fact when I think of mindless, generic, uninspired metalcore, I think of sky came falling. Its very well executed but, originality? Come on, man. There were literally hundreds of bands that did this before. Just because you found out about this band before you knew who hopesfall was doesn't mean they started the genre. Wow...

No, thank you for showing me the light. You're allowed to parade around like your ignorant opinion is a fact, but when it comes to anyone else: no way.

Fuck you.

-BSD

Good call, BSD. Because lyrical styles aren't person preference or opinion or something retarded like that.

Thanks for making me see the light.

"Johnnydanger, you're a fan of Stand and Fight. Honestly, they're horrid, and they've done absolutely nothing for music but make people lose faith in it. The only type of people that like Stand And Fight are the same people that would take a bullet for Jamey Jasta or Freddy Madball no questions asked. So that leaves you in no place to say anything about bands that stray outside the realm of tough guy hardcore."

Stand and Fight... While they're dumb, they have NOTHING, and I mea NOTHING in common with tough guy hardcore (ala Madball, Hatebreed, or Terror), the attitude OR the music... Pull your fucking head out of your ass and listen to the music before you assume it's metaloid jock shit just because of the album sleeve...

Your lyrical "standards" are a complete fucking joke...

-BSD

i disagree, but your name is a cave in reference so imma let it go.

Bane are overrated

this band was underrated

Bane were good...just not my thing tho

you wanna see vivid pictures, listen to Mountain Goats, John is one of the best storytellers in music today

Blake Schwarzenbach is the best lyricist of all time. Sampson relies too much on literary references to sound eloquent; "Time's Arrow," for instance, can almost be called plagiarism. He's still great (though the band itself isn't), but lacks Blake's imagination. Blake actually paints a vivid scenery with his words, whereas Sampson is content with being witty and intellectual.

-Chinatown

i tried really hard to get into bane, but it just wasn't happening for me. Something about the vocals bugs me

as for lyrics, how about Aggorophobic Nosebleed, Scrotum Grider, or Shat?

"Lastly, I'd like to inquire as to what band has written most of your favoirte lyrics?"

in general or for hardcore? for hardcore, i'd give it to threadbare or bane or minor threat. MT not because they are particularly elloquent (they aren't, nor are they supposed to be), but because they struck straight to the heart of the matter and said something that no other band at the time was saying, and it hit home extremely hard for me when i first heard it.

as for bands in general: pink floyd (particularly the last few albums with waters), the smiths (far more clever and tongue-in-cheek and much less whiney than they are given credit for), the clash and of course lifetime.

the guy who reviewed this knows nothing

I'm not so sure Skycamefalling even made anything prevalent...I mean they were a pretty well-known band but I doubt anyone who knows hardcore would cite them as remotely important in the grand scheme of things. They were kinda just another band that did the melodic metalcore thing and they did it pretty well but it wasn't anything revolutionary. I adore this record but I wouldn't consider it that important to hardcore as a whole.

That being said, my favorite lyricists are John from Mountain Goats, Wes from American Nightmare, and John K. Sampson

Best lyrics in my opinoin are by Every Time I Die.

I know I said I was done on this one, but I can't neglect primevils point.

Bane do have intelligent lyrics, and I tend to negelect that fact a lot of the time because of the sound of the actual music. Having that old school sound they do, I generally don't associate that with good lyrical content. But for the majority of the time, save a few lame lines (The Motley Crue refrence, for example) Bane are intelligent.

"Raise this broken halo to the sky, this is the storm that strands me here, stopped waiting for a golden ship to rescue me, this is the only age that I know how to be." That's my favorite line, from 'Sunflowers And Sunset.' So I wholly admit fault for the oversight of Bane's lyrics, and digress in saying Skycamefalling was one of intelligent hardcore's pioneers. While they may not have been one of the first, they undoubtedly made it prevalent among the hardcore scene, building upon what Converge and others started.

Lastly, I'd like to inquire as to what band has written most of your favoirte lyrics? (This question is for everyone, not just Primevil.) At this point in time, I'm saying Circle Takes The Sqaure or Hot Cross.

Anchors,

Finally, an intelligent, reasoned response to posts. Anyway, I think you're seriously neglecting (for Bane, anyway) the rest of Give Blood. Here's one of my favorite lines from The Big Gundown:

"And did I mention that there are still those days that I can hardly lift my head off of the pillow? Looking out the window of the plane, rooting, rooting for disaster...sometimes, I just run out of reasons...but the clock keeps ticking and the minutes keep coming and all I can do is rise to slaughter the hours, let the air out of these days..."

great record. the review seems a little off because they weren't one of the first to embrace things other than unity and brotherhood etc...(check out some old harvest or converge records for more info on that) but nonetheless its good to see someone spreading the gospel of skycamefalling.

you guys need hobbies.

There's nothing wrong with Stand & Fight, and I can say that with the knowledge that I would never take a bullet for Freddie Madball.

There's nothing wrong with Skycamefalling either, but there's no sense in ragging on Bane's lyrics. Lyrics don't need to be poetic or full of flowery language to be intelligent.

I'm done on this one. Anybody who's actually got a decent complaint with this review, and cares to discuss it without being a douche, a la Hobbitcore, my screen name's in my info.

If you don't like my review, go read one of the other two posted this week, maybe you'll find less to bitch about there.

I'm not going to defend my review, nor my viewpoint further. It's trite, and pointless. Anything said after this point, will not be responded to by me, you're only wasting your time.

"to forever embrace the sun" is so much better than this.

Johnnydanger, you're a fan of Stand and Fight. Honestly, they're horrid, and they've done absolutely nothing for music but make people lose faith in it. The only type of people that like Stand And Fight are the same people that would take a bullet for Jamey Jasta or Freddy Madball no questions asked. So that leaves you in no place to say anything about bands that stray outside the realm of tough guy hardcore.

Secondly, there is absolutely nothing wrong with Skycamefalling's lyrics. Those lyrics fit the context of the song, and they fit the mood and emotion of the song. If you can't see that, not my fault.

Anchors, you're a fucking idiot...making fun of someone mentioning that Bane has intelligent lyrics and you're humping Skycamefalling's lyrics.

"My wrists, so saddened by dull razor blades"

"How beautiful the way the sun sets"

"This bed of nails I lay myself down to rest"

Bane's lyrics are definitely intelligent and if you knew shit about good writing you would see that. And quit taking shit so literally...when I said that shit about thinking Poison the Well invented hardcore I was fucking exaggerating...learn to tell the difference.

great review...i felt and still feel the same way about this record...and the hardcore scene

ok and you people criticizing this review can go suck on Freddie Madball's cock...him and his great new band Hazen St.

fuck you all

reviewer - get a clue or aids

the sleeping is cameron (scf's main songwriter), the last bass player and the last drummer. chris and john arent in the band but yes, chris does run one day savior.

the reason i remember them giving for breaking up is because their heart wasnt in it anymore. i wish half the bands would break up after they felt the same way. if that isnt a good enough reason then i dont know what is

Bane is good, but I wouldn't classify their lyrics as "insightful."

-Chinatown

Yeah, I'm aware of the Sleeping. And it's kind of a weird situation, it's just Skycamefalling minus their singer. Who owns One Day Savior records? Why it's Chris, ex-Skycamefalling singer.

So obviously the members are on good terms, making me wonder the actual reason for a breakup in the first place, as they never did give a decent one.

First off, comparing me thinking this is one of the bands that brought intelligent hardcore to the forefront, and you thinking Poison The Well started hardcore are wayyyyy different. The fact that you would even compare those two statements is nothing short of retarded/

How you got 'probably influenced every band you listened to, from my actual quote -- "..So many bands have followed suit in this since" is way beyond me.

You really need to evaluate your own comments, before you jump on my back and try to make me look dumb.

"Can We Start again, go back to what it meant back then"

"So many hours through scorching desert
man, how can i say this without sounding like some cheesy
Mötley Crüe song?"

"I’ll keep getting in the van and worry about money for the rest of my life."

Yeah, brilliant lyrics. Kudos to Bane. Shai Hulud did have incredible lyrics, and overlooking them and forgetting to throw them in with the comparison to Converge was a mistake on my part. 'Hearts Once Nourished...' came out in '97, making them precede this album by 4 years, and Skycamefallings first recordings by 3-4 years. I'll admit fault on that one, but again, if you're trying to make me look dumb, it's best not to put Bane in a sentance also containing the words 'brilliant lyrics.'

If you miss Skycamefalling you should check out Cameron Keym (original guitarist from Skycamefalling)'s new band, The Sleeping. They're on One Day Savior Records, and although they are much softer- read: not hardcore- it is worth picking up their new album. Amazing live show.

i love this album, but reviewer, your knowledge of music is extremely limited...now i remember when i was like you...thinking poison the well invented hardcore and this and that...but dude, stop making statements like skycamefalling "probably influenced every band you listen to" because the only bands they influenced are bands like From Autumn to Ashes and Hopesfall. like the guy down there somewhere said, research your topic before you pin Skycamefalling as pioneers!

I just can't think of any
other intense hardcore groups with insightful, brilliant lyrics.

Man, you guys are harsh,. This is a perfectly fine album to intrduce someone to hardcore. Musically, it's VERY well-written and sounds great. The reviewer may not be as INTO the history as others, but that doesn't make the album any weaker

I think it's funny that people spouting the history of hardcore music off the top of their heads are calling THIS guy the scenester

hahahahahahaha

yeah. dont forget Hazen St. Now thats revolution.

-!GreenVandal!

"It's all your peoples' mistake for thinking that Minor Threat and Black Flag were the only two original hardcore bands...

-BSD"

Yeah, everyone always forgets Poison the Well.

Let me stress this.

One of the first bands to opt for a different lyrical style than pretty much every other hardcore bands.

Yes, bands did it before them. They weren't the first. But they brought it out more into the forefront, and made it prevalent more than just about any other band, save Converge. That's all I'm saying.

It's all your peoples' mistake for thinking that Minor Threat and Black Flag were the only two original hardcore bands...

-BSD

"On one hand, Skycamefalling, along with Converge, was one of the first bands whose lyrics didn't focus on brotherhood, vigilance, unity, and all those other tough guy hardcore lyrical staples."

i'm sorry, but there were tons and tons of bands before skycamefalling (converge being one of them) that didn't sing about those things. try life.love.regret-era unbroken, threadbare, 108, deadguy, coalesce, etc etc etc.

"see what happens when a reviewer dismissed the talent of mewithoutyou? they give "sky came falling" a huge rating. holy shit. aubin, you are a genius. you hired this douche so we'll keep coming back to smell his bullshit and yell at it."

Let's get a few things straight here, asshole. It's Skycamefalling, one word, not three. I don't know why the name was in quotes, as if it's a fake name and you think I'm hiding the real one from you. Or maybe you're on an Austin Powers binge, I'm not exactly sure.

Secondly, I never have reviewed anything Mewithoutyou did, that would be Jesse. So if you've got an issue with somebody not liking them, throw your wet tissues at Jesse.

And to Recordings, you like Hatebreed, go practice your mosh moves, because I'm not the clueless one between us.

"Though Skycamefalling might have been the first non-typcial NYHC sounding band that you personally encountered, there were plenty of amazing bands that beat them to the punch (my personal favorite being Groundwork). You might want to investigate your topic a little bit more carefully in the future... lest you confuse some newbie into thinking that intelligent hardcore has only been around for three years! "

My mistake on that one. To this day, I've never even heard of the band Groundwork, any suggestions on what to check out, or other bands on that same vein?

I liked the review with the exception of your comment "On one hand, Skycamefalling, along with Converge, was one of the first bands whose lyrics didn't focus on brotherhood, vigilance, unity, and all those other tough guy hardcore lyrical staples."

Though Skycamefalling might have been the first non-typcial NYHC sounding band that you personally encountered, there were plenty of amazing bands that beat them to the punch (my personal favorite being Groundwork). You might want to investigate your topic a little bit more carefully in the future... lest you confuse some newbie into thinking that intelligent hardcore has only been around for three years!

OC

Note to self:

It is not okay to like music on punknews.org if you are under 25 years old.

I shall now go break all of my CD's. Thankyou for showing me the light.

aubin, you are a genius. you hired this douche...

Do you see a STAFF icon there at all? Because I know I don't.

To any asshole below or above this comment. Its redards like you guys who give hardcore a bad name. Skycamefalling was one of the greatest hardcore bands that probably influenced whatever shit you listen to. All hardcore respects Skycamefalling, as do I. Good review, should have been up years ago.

see what happens when a reviewer dismissed the talent of mewithoutyou? they give "sky came falling" a huge rating. holy shit. aubin, you are a genius. you hired this douche so we'll keep coming back to smell his bullshit and yell at it.

dear reviewer:

you are utterly clueless.

regards,
me

"Passion, beauty, talent, intensity, it's here, and in spades"

No questions asked. Go see Envy in January. You will not regret it. Oh yea, the lyrics are in Japanese but doesn't matter.

Its jack asses like this guy who give hardcore a bad name. He thinks that the only hardcore bands before SCF all had tough guy ideals and went around beating people up with their 'crew'. The thing is though, Ill take a band singing about unity over any band who sings about trees that fall like stones or wings made out of paper.

Get your head out of your ass anchor and know what you are talking about before you start shitting on things.

I'm not sure which 'heydey of hardcore' you're referring to, but the fact is I'm 18, so whatever shitty youth crew you're most likely referring to, I was about 5 years old for it.

Bite a dick.

Wow, relax. The only thing I've heard from The Beatles is their shitty "1s" comp, and I constantly boast Of Montreal as superior to them. Being a scenester rules.

-Chinatown

All i have to say is that if this is the album that got you into hardcore, then i am said to tell you that since you were not around for the hayday of hardcore back when, you have no credibility and you would have been better off not reviewing this album or any albums at all. you make me sick. fucking scenesters.