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Published on February 15th 2005
The last time I had seen Rise Against, they were opening for Bad Religion, and they didn't have much of a crowd. It was a major surprise to me, considering they were kind of getting big all of the sudden. I went to this show and was blown away by how big the crowd was. It seemed like Rise Against was finally getting the popularity they deserved, and they put on a show that night that seemed to thank all the people that showed up.
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"You like ____? OMG YOU FUCKING IDIOT YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MUSIC ROFLOROCLORLOMG?!?!@@@ONE!@!@#@1" I have to agree I don't think this album was as good as it should of been. I held very high expectations after being a fan for a long time prior, but after my first fews listens I couldn't help but feel let down. Espcially after hearing State Of The Union before the album was released.Iit seemed as though the album could be their hardest yet... ironicly it was the opposite. I enjoyed some songs at first listen but none of them seemed to grab my attention. Eventually this changed after I listened to these cd atleast 5 times. It grew on me to a point where I was liking it more than RPM. Not anymore but I still feel this is a solid album. Of course it's a softer side of Rise Against but it's always been there; Everchanging, Faint Resemblance, Like The Angel. Two of those are classics of theirs and you can't tell me those songs are "hardcore". Now I've come to realize I'm glad they realized this cd. Gets rid of all the wanna be hardcores who claim they "know" what musics good. Well that's great that you don't like it but I really doubt anyone who does appreciate it cares about your opinion, I mean it is pretty meaningless.... like this prankish guy; bright eyes? LOL please you don't even deserve to listen to RPM please pass it to someone with respect for good music. Thanks I know you are but what am I. Prankish is just a whiney bitch...he/she listens to shitty music and doesn't know what to do with his/her life If you don't like the government, don't complain because others do! Why do people post if they dont even like the band? Why do people post if they dont even like the band? Fuck the flag and fuck you! I said punk-related you English bastard. Baxter and TKK aren't punk in sound, so why the hell should they keep their songs short? You don't hear me complaining that Fugazi's songs are too long, do you? Being indie is in nowadays..i guess Chinaman or is it town or man? who cares but that kid is sooooo radical..so punx Yet again, Chinatown dosen't know what he's talking about. Just listen to the damn band, ya elitist pricks...oh i went there..dumbass How does an argument negate your review? If anything it drew more attention to it than your mediocre writing could ever hope to. Unfortunately for me, I forgot that when you write a review for punknews.org, there will be an argument that has nothing to do with the review and pretty much destroy the point of the article even being there. What happened to their short songs? Explain that one to me, genius. The shortest song on the album is "SOTU," which clocks in at a whopping 2:20. You can't tell me the band didn't alter their song formula to make them more radio-friendly. Prior to Siren Song, every single punk-related project Tim had been in had featured some short, explosive songs. The fact that they decide to write a bunch of 3:30 clunkers proves that they wanted more chances at getting airplay. well i disagree with all of you. they always sucked. and i have seen them live. The new rise against sound isnt their fault, the producer's rather. Realizing the album was on a major label, the album was produced in a clean, pop-driven manner. However, no attempt was made by Rise Against to write shitty songs (yes 2 or 3 of the songs on Siren Song are terrible) or sell out. I know this because my best friend works at arbutus music (rise against thanks arbutus music, check the liner notes) and one of the guitar techs personally worked on that album with a producer in Vancouver (Arbutus is located in Nanaimo, about 2 hours away from Vancouver BC). Don't talk as if Rise Against intended to alienate fans of their first 2 releases... and personally I can't even listen to RPM anymore its so outplayed. Whoops. This is the score I intended to award to prankish's comment. My reasons for not liking Rise Against are simple and have been stated many times... but allow me to reiterate for anyone too lazy to read but still overcome with the need to comment: The new rise against sound isnt their fault, the producer's rather. Realizing the album was on a major label, the album was produced in a clean, pop-driven manner. However, no attempt was made by Rise Against to write shitty songs (yes 2 or 3 of the songs on Siren Song are terrible) or sell out. I know this because my best friend works at arbutus music (rise against thanks arbutus music, check the liner notes) and one of the guitar techs personally worked on that album with a producer in Vancouver (Arbutus is located in Nanaimo, about 2 hours away from Vancouver BC). Don't talk as if Rise Against intended to alienate fans of their first 2 releases... and personally I can't even listen to RPM anymore its so outplayed. It would be easier to "repson" if I could read it... though I'm glad you got your caps key fixed. it';s funny how you made a really bad assum ption of what type of person i am and what my tastes in music may be, which was also off..because i never once did that too you..just commented on what you had written. but that just shows how retarded you are that you cant even make a valid attempt to repson to what i said. And to the fellow below, I am sorry that I have upset you so much. I, for one, enjoy discussing these kinds of things with people because unlike many, my opinions are not always set in concrete before the conversation even begins. It's one thing to say you don't like them anymore... But to sit here and plaed your case why they aren't good anymore... Is completely fucking pointless you fucking lame dork. You can't change people's taste. What do you think people are gonna have a revelation from what you say and suddnely decide to get rid of the rise against cd they like so much. Theres a difference between stating an opinion and just looking like a fucking idiot. Quit wasting your time trying to change people's minds... No one cares what you think. And there's no stupid shit you can say to try and make your case to me. The only person to lose there credibility is you because of how fucking gay you are. Please don't come halfway into a conversation and make a comment. If you had read some of the previous posts (which, admittedly, go miles back) you would have seen some of the other artists I listen to. To be honest I can't even put down the new Bright Eyes CDs... and I consider Elliott Smith my favorite songwriter of all time. It seems like any time a band gets signed to a major, the only reason you could possibly dislike them is because you're an "elitist scene trash faggot" of some kind. " I listen to some pretty god damned vagina music, and RA's new stuff is just too damn ridiculous for me. They have more in common with Creed than hardcore." "How are you supposed to run a record company without contributing to a huge corporation in some way?" "I listen to some pretty god damned vagina music, and RA's new stuff is just too damn ridiculous for me." She would if it were catchy enough. They can't even do pop right. The fact that someone would say "Dead Ringer" is a better song than "State Of the Union" is ridiculous. I don't care what you think about the rest of the album, that is a fantastic hardcore song. My dog is neutered, and yet she still licks her cooch. Okay, Siren Song is one of those CDs that takes awhile to click with you. It seems like any time a band gets signed to a major, the only reason you could possibly dislike them is because you're an "elitist scene trash faggot" of some kind. Lots of bands carefully maintain their sound and make disappointing albums. Sometimes they just seem to lose the feeling and that's the way I feel about Rise Against - they still sound like Rise Against sure, but there just seems to be a whole lot less enthusiasm about it. I'd rather they changed up sounds if they could make a CD that had the raw passion of The Unraveling again. No, my point is that Rise Against as a hardcore band is unfounded. Okay now I disagree with Chinatown, Rise Against's harder songs are what saves that band for me... if they just played straight mid-tempo pop-punk i would never listen to them. "State of the union" regardless of what you think, is probably most rise against fans favorite song, and I blatently acknowledge that they may have recorded songs like that to maintain "credibility", but man does that song get me pumped up when its played loud, and it was amazing performed live. All of you, including me, were bashing AFI's new one when it came out. You know it doesn't sound like the AFI on a indie at all. Rise Against's still sounds like them. Let's count their "hardcore" songs on Revolutions...there's "To the Core" and "Dead Ringers". That's a whole two. And if you're going to challenge someone, at least spell "hear" right. All of you, including me, were bashing AFI's new one when it came out. You know it doesn't sound like the AFI on a indie at all. Rise Against's still sounds like them. Let's count their "hardcore" songs on Revolutions...there's "To the Core" and "Dead Ringers". That's a whole two. "records like this RA and the last AFI are still good records despite whatever genre they are in...great records in fact...not watered down one bit...most of the other bands that play the same style suck lots of ass...but these are 2 of the last great talents from this rotten cesspool otherwise called the hardcore/punk scene " I happen to agree with Chinatown, but in spite of the fact that many bands have a rather straightforward sound, I take that into account and fit it in with my varied collection of music. I don't like it because it is bad. Prankish *derivative* I don't hate them because they're "cool." (They aren't anyways; their move to a major hasn't really enlarged their fanbase and they'll likely get dropped before this year's end.) I hate them because their songs are as generic and hookless as Pennywise. These guys aren't treading any new ground. They play (played...Siren Songs is rather mid-tempo) dervaitive hardcore-influenced skate punk. They don't have Avail's Southern influence, they don't have Strung Out's technical dynamics, they don't have Bigwig's playfulness or willingness to write goofy songs. Essentially, they don't possess that magical spark that makes a few select bands (honestly, I can only tolerate about 30-40 punk bands in the world today) sound so good at everything they try. They're fucking boring. "Lets hear your songs Chinatown" score's for prankish, props "Lets here your songs Chinatown" Thats what i thought, ya fuckin shithead I don't have to show you anything bitch. Lets here your songs Chinatown Rise Against have gone from mediocre to horrid. Well that's where we're going to have to agree to disagree. prankish, Dude the new stuff is better live than their old stuff(1st album) When i first saw them acouple years back they were ok but now their live show is awesome. You're missing out, its ok though. Saw them at Bumbershoot this summer in Seattle. The show was passable, but not up to old standards by any means. The show was not good enough to warrant a purchase of tickets for their show here on Feb. 14th. Sitting through their new music is utterly intolerable. Have you seen them recently? I've seen them 5 times...all good shows I've seen them live 3 times, including one of the best shows I've ever seen... that doesn't change any of my points. That would have been an amazing show. To the guy who can't stand the new album, I didn't say that I don't use major label lightbulbs in my home and buy major label gas for my major label car. I'm just pointing out that there's more than one definition for "selling out." How can you possibly say my distaste for the new Rise Against CD is only a bias because of their signing to a major? There were dozens of major label CDs that I enjoyed last year, and Siren Song of the Counter Culture was not one of them. Score one for BSD. How are you supposed to run a record company without contributing to a huge corporation in some way? It's simply impractical if you want to spread your ideas to a large audience... I'm sure most big distro and pressing companies have shady ties. Even if he lied about the Swing Life Away business the general consensus is that it was a cool experience. He sang Swing LIfe Away acoustic in Phoenix and Tucson. Fucking liar. haha ""Selling Out" doesn't have to include changing a band's sound. I agree with everything LushJ has said execpt for Chumbawamba. Chumbawamba did sell out completely. Before signing to EMI, they had several songs bashing the lable. Now that they are off it, they still license their songs to be used in cheap video games and movies that have nothing to do with their message. I'm still a fan of their old stuff as well as some of the new, but they have lost it. Yeah, it did a lot of good for Chumbawumba . "God I'm so sick of hearing the sellout chants from any band that signs to a major label. " If you are honestly saying they have not deviated from their original song structures very much, you really need to invest in Q-Tips wow that show sounds rad, rise against is fucking amazing live, however, to go along with that whole "sellout" thing... Im seeing them twice this weekend in Chicago and I swear to god if I dont hear Everchanging im gonna cry To the reviewer Zack, didn't they play Rumors of my Demise have been greatly exaggerated?? Tim played Swing Life Away on August 28, 2004 at the Metro, at the release show. In San Francisco Alexisonfire cancelled but we didnt get a replacement At the Glasshouse show, every single fuckin person was singing along to Swing Life Away...it was crazy..Very good show. tim played swing life away live in NYC january 5, 2005 at b.b. kings Was at this show the next day, Tsunami Bomb was back on.... Bah this show was great! I thought I was up on the balcony getting drunk when I heard Death by Stereo start and I thought i was going to pee myself. They were amazing, as usual. Infact, I was ready to go right after their set. Buuuut it was my first time seeing Rise Against and they were pretty awesome. I wish I had gotten to see them in a smaller venue before, though I wish I was at that show. Rise Against have recently been down here in New Zealand and they were AMAZING!!! Hell yeah "State of the Union" was fuckin intense live If you saw Rise with Bad Religion, then had to have seen Tim fucking scream State of the Union. I remember seeing Hot Water Music open for Bad Religion in San Francisco and Matt Skiba came out and sang "Rooftops" . I used to go see Rise Against live constantly, but not anymore, last time I saw them was before Bad Religion and the energy was gone, as was the skill. The new guitarist fucked up the temp on 1000 Good Intentions, they also never play The Art of Losing, and to be honest it has been a while since I have heard Everchanging. god yes! if dbs replaces tsunami bomb(please yes) in vancouver, then this is undoubtedly the concert of the year.(at least in BC) DBS and Only Crime are worth seeing, defintely. I'd like to see Only Crime and Death By Stereo a lot. Funny how Doomsday Breach turns around the set for Only Crime, because that's the song that got their set going in Chicago. "The only thing more retarded than hating a band because they're popular is inability to admit a band has gone down the fucking shitter. It's all fine and dandy that you prophecized them as being the band of the new punk millenium, because I was duped into believing it too. I thought these guys would continue to make badass music with a message for all their years to come. I was wrong. You were wrong. Their music sounds absolutely nothing like it once did, and to say they haven't deviated from their sound to appeal to the masses is just turning a blind eye (and apparently a deaf ear) to the music scene today." The new Rise Against makes me want to shoot something. They used to be fucking INCREDIBLE! there's two vancouver shows, I'm hoping alexisonfire headlines the day one (all ages), and rise against headlines the one at night. SOIA used to be on a mjor. did they ever sell out? Sweet jesus, Only Crime, Alexisonfire, Rise Against, and bonus DEATH BY STEREO? That's one hell of a lineup. God I'm so sick of hearing the sellout chants from any band that signs to a major label. Yes, there sound did change a bit, but most bands sound do change (at least a bit) from record to record. Siren Song... wasn't my favorite record of the year, or even my favorite record from Rise Against, but it was still good. People just got to accept the fact, that some bands evolve their sound without selling out. The only band that I can think of that really sold out, would be the Goo Goo Dolls. They had that hit Name, next thing you know, they only use acoustic guitars, and their former "grunge" singer has 8 pounds of gel in his hair, a designer outfit, and makeup on. You can't say that about Rise Against, they still write the same sort of tunes, and they look the same. Sure, they threw in some acoustic guitar on the album, but I would say their sound is evolving. Anyone who uses the term sellout, need to take a look at themselves in the mirror, and see how much they have changed in the last number of years. To expect a band to stay the exact same from the first of their career, to the end, is absurd. This would be an amazing show if not for Alexisonfire - overrated "post-hardcore" crap with too many ideas that just don't come off. If you are honestly saying they have not deviated from their original song structures very much, you really need to invest in Q-Tips. I'm only familiar with Rise Against's latest album and I love it. Its slightly overdone, but it reminds me of the heyday of Fat Wreck, when bands could be fast, melodic and polished but still sound hard and not-yet radio-ready, like Strung Out or Snuff or early Good Riddance. Why the fuck doesn't their major label album have any songs under 2 minutes? Explain that one to me. "I've seen them once live since the new record, and admittedly they still can put on a decent show... but to say that these guys didn't sell out in every sense of the term is just lying to yourself." sellouts or not, i couldn't give a shit b/c i'm too busy in denial and having fun listening to these guys. Death By Stereo and Rise Against are fucking great live. Is there an exact released date for "Death For Life"? death by stereo makes every show a 10 Why the fuck does Rise against headline in the US, but in Canada they are opening up for alexisonfire. Besides the obvious nationality thing, and the fact that alexisonfire is more popular here.... aww fuck, guess i'll just go home early. Alexisonfire sucks ass. |
