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High On Fire / Planes Mistaken For Stars

High On Fire / Planes Mistaken For Stars: live in Chicagolive in Chicago (2005)
Relapse Records

Reviewer Rating: 4.5


Contributed by: JesseJesse
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Sweet Cobra took the stage slightly after nine and proceeded to destroy it completely, setting the standard higher than anyone could ever hope to reach. For around twenty-five minutes, I had my socks rocked completely off by their heavy, simple riff-based rock. While the riffs have more of a classic.


Sweet Cobra took the stage slightly after nine and proceeded to destroy it completely, setting the standard higher than anyone could ever hope to reach. For around twenty-five minutes, I had my socks rocked completely off by their heavy, simple riff-based rock. While the riffs have more of a classic metal feel to them, all in all it's one big hardcore rockfest that made me wish I could grow a beard. They rocked so hard that they deserve a 10/10.

Kylesa played some spaced out sludgecore next. Guitar effects, reverbed vocals, and a huge wall of sound. All the songs flowed together extremely well and the fact that they had three different vocalists, one of them being female, added greatly to their spectrum. Jesus Christ, that last sentence sounded way too sissy. Basically, they rocked pretty hard with some killer riffs, when you could discern the riffs from the general sludge that I got for most of the time. Definitely a band that deserves the hype they're generating. 8/10.

And now the show took a turn for the worse. Planes Mistaken For Stars took the stage, and while they had the long and/or facial hair to be the most metal band I heard, what I instead got was a smattering of crappy hard music that reminded me too much of nü-metal. Didn't this band use to be emo? Either way, they still have a shitty emo name, and a bunch of metalheads outside the club were making fun of them. Know why they were making fun of them? Because obviously they were there to see...(5/10)

High on Fire. Who totally were insanely awesome kickass metal in the vein of Motörhead and Black Sabbath. For the two songs I was able to stay for, I totally thought they were awesome. Why didn't I stick around, you say? Have you ever been in a small club full of metalheads? Especially when you're under 250, have no beard and your hair isn't past your shoulders? It's a scary place for outsiders, my friends. Plus, I was dying from all the second-hand smoke. But they totally get a 7/10 just for how awesome those two songs were.

Pretend that PMFS didn't play and this show gets a 9/10.

 

 
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Anonymous (February 28, 2005)

This is a STAFF review? Holy shit, one of the worst reviews i've ever read. Unbelievable.

Anonymous (February 28, 2005)

Doesn't matter the review still sucks. This pussy just wrote it with a slant because his schtick is to be the controversial guy. He knows how many planes fans there are on this site (and everwhere for matter).

This is just feeding his giant ego.

Anonymous (February 28, 2005)

Jonathan Richman was singing straight edge songs long before minor threat.

Anonymous (February 27, 2005)

Second hand smoke is a bitch... Sorry, but choking on smoke because a hundred 15-16 year old kids want to impress each other isn't cool...

-BSD

Jesse (February 27, 2005)

They gave it a name, doesn't mean there weren't kids who didn't do drugs beforehand.

Archangel (February 27, 2005)

"Or need I remind you that Minor Threat basically invented straight edge?"

Basically?

Anonymous (February 27, 2005)

Rawr! Rawr! I'm a tough guy! Rawr rawr! You suck because you're wimpy! Rawr rawr! I love football and punching faggots! Rawr rawr!

Anonymous (February 27, 2005)

haha, you're actually relating your review of this show to the fact that Minor Threat is strait edge? No, we're not making fun of you because this was hardcore show, we're making fun of you because you're a fucking pussy who actually bitched about second hand smoke in a show review (completely unrelated to the bands and music.) How many fucking shows have you been to? In case you didn't notice in the three other shows you've been to in your life, people smoke, deal with it

Anonymous (February 27, 2005)

I love how people make fun of me for not wanting to stick aorund and inhale second hand smoke, and then relate that to the fact that I'm reviewing a hardcore show. Because hadcore is all about being tough and destroying my lungs. That's exactly what Bad Brains,Minor Threat, and Black Flag had in mind. To be the toughest you can. Which includes being unhealthy. Or need I remind you that Minor Threat basically invented straight edge?

Anonymous (February 26, 2005)

haha, Jones thinks he's so cleaver...

Anonymous (February 26, 2005)

too much smoke, too many metalheads ... haha why the fuck does this fag get to review hardcore shows.
fuck off

Anonymous (February 26, 2005)

"Chinatown, You're a joke, why are you still even posting on this site. Nobody has listend to a thing you've said for at least six months now, maybe it's time to move on or change names so you can at least get a little respect when you post. Either that or get off your ass and away from your computer and live a bit... just a thought"

looks like you just read what he wrote and thought it was important enough to reply about....so...that whole 6 month thing?

now go ahead and reply by calling me names and saying how no one cares what i write

- jones the bones

Anonymous (February 26, 2005)

Chinatown, You're a joke, why are you still even posting on this site. Nobody has listend to a thing you've said for at least six months now, maybe it's time to move on or change names so you can at least get a little respect when you post. Either that or get off your ass and away from your computer and live a bit... just a thought

Anonymous (February 26, 2005)

i dont like either of these bands music but planes mistaken for stars is one of the best band names ever.

Anonymous (February 26, 2005)

It's nice to see the resident douchebags are sticking up for each other!

Anonymous (February 25, 2005)

Actually, Jesse won. At least he didn't stoop down to your level.

-Chinatown

Anonymous (February 25, 2005)

Jesse finally conceeded defeat... and rightfully so

Jesse (February 25, 2005)

This thread is done. We've gone over everything that could be said, and it's just getting repeated now. Move on to the new reviews I did, and bitch at me for how bad those ones are.

stevejonestherealbones (February 25, 2005)

you guys take everything so seriously. its pretty ridiculous

- j the b

Anonymous (February 25, 2005)

haha, this is getting ridiculous. The average age of Planes haters seems to be about twelve now...

stevejonestherealbones (February 25, 2005)

"haha! Now we've arrived at calling people by immature names... Good work Steve. You've finally earned the respect you deserve as well. Grow up my friend and try and make a valid point instead of simply calling people "babies""

oohhhh...baby gonna cry?....baby gonna cry? ...its ok lil boy...the world will be ok. you dont have to cry about these reviews anymore.

- jones the bones

Anonymous (February 25, 2005)

haha! Now we've arrived at calling people by immature names... Good work Steve. You've finally earned the respect you deserve as well. Grow up my friend and try and make a valid point instead of simply calling people "babies"

stevejonestherealbones (February 25, 2005)

you guys are babies.

thats all it comes down to. babies

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anonymous (February 25, 2005)

Steve, You have now officially joined Jesse in the stupid fucking people on this site. Have you not read any of this thread yet? Of course we don't have to read it but people do... They shouldn't since it's Jesse but that's a different topic. If you're going to post a review, do it well! That's all there is to it.

Anonymous (February 25, 2005)

The message below being sponsored by the the dumbest fucking person on this site.

stevejonestherealbones (February 24, 2005)

i feel like a fag defending jesse....but you people are fucking clueless.

if this review (and to the guy below me, yes this is a review) is causing so much trouble in your lives that you are in this much of an uproar...then dont read reviews by jesse. it says his god damn name by the bright yellow staff icon...you dont have to read it.

if you guys are going to be such bitches and its going to ruin your whole week,,,then dont read anything by the guy. an adult would have learned this lesson a long time ago....little babies dont understand that they dont have to read it

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anonymous (February 24, 2005)

Jesse, you're missing the point... I didn't say you have to only review albums and bands that you love. But the fact of the matter is a "review" is not what you wrote. It was fucking rubbish... Take a class or go read some good reviews and learn successful ways to portray what you want to say. Please read this again if you didn't understand the first 13 times it was said

Anonymous (February 24, 2005)

score is for pmfs.

if this is what nu-metal sounds like, i need to start listening to the radio.

Anonymous (February 24, 2005)

This is great! Jesse has been trying to defend this shitty reivew since it posted. I think you're a little insecure there buddy. Try to let it go. There not all gonna like you. In fact it appears as though very few will.

Anonymous (February 24, 2005)

Wow you've got Chinatown and jonesbones agreeing with you. I know I'd be super happy if the two biggest fucking losers on this site agreed with my point of view. I'd probably be so excited I'd kill myself.

Anonymous (February 24, 2005)

"I don't think their music has any shred of credibility"

Then you are one dumb fucking kid. I'd like to know what you'll be listening to once you've been involved with independent music for more than 6 months.

Good luck with that writing career. You'll need it.

Anonymous (February 24, 2005)

Dam, this Jesse kid is just missing the point.
let me help you Jesse.
Jesse = Shoddy writing
People = don??t like Jesse writing
Christ lets just dumb it down for you.
Rather than pursuing a writing career, you should somehow create a time machine, travel back in time and convince your mother to have an abortion. Now because I seriously doubt you have the mental capacity to understand what i just stated. If your mother had an abortion, while pregnant with you. Your life would not exist, thus alleviating the current problem on the web board.
Anyways, you stand as good of chance of mastering the space-time continuum as you do of becoming a writer.

elliot (February 24, 2005)

the whole "planes = nu-metal rock radio" thing is still killing me. how the fuck can you even get that impression from their music. by "rock radio", i assume you mean bands like nickelback, three days grace, staind....stuff like that. there is NOTHING in planes' riffs that could possibly make even a novice music listener say "oh, that sounds like three doors down."

i understand that you're all "abrasive" and you love to "get under people's skin" by talking shit on bands that a lot of people passionately like, but come on. at least throw out an insult that has some weight. you just look like a little kid.

Jesse (February 24, 2005)

For your information, Wu-Tang's "36 Chambers" was one of the most innovative and groundbreaking hip-hop records, ever. That's a statement that you can't fuck with. Ask anyone who's into hip-hop. It came out in 1993, and still sounds just as fresh and innovative if you listen to it today, 12 years later.

Second, to the guy before, if you actually read, I said "With exception of this review," which means putting this review aside and looking at the support for the other ones. Again, I'm saying that I'm not just going to go to shows in which I love every band playing. You're going to get a better review of a show by someone who isn't a fanboy. See how inflated my score for Sweet Cobra is? I'm sure most of you don't agree with that score. If a fanboy is going to review a show, then of course you're not going to get anything but praise. It's just like the news. Conservatives watch Fox News because it just reinforces what they already believe, instead of watching a less right-biased network like CNN because it would blow their perceptions. A review like this is better for someone who doesn't know the band to read if you want PMFS to have more fans. They'll see how many people came to their defense and say, "Hey, what is it about that band?" Bitch, moan, complain that I'm not a good writer; you're servicing nothing but your own desires.

Anonymous (February 24, 2005)

Not innovative and origional? You gave Wu Tang Clan a fucking ten... A TEN!!!

Anonymous (February 24, 2005)

Haha, I love this. I do like that jesse said that half the people loved this review... I've counted two so far and they pretty much play the devil's advocate on everything. Stripping loyalties and opinion aside, this review was terrible and not because of an "Internet Persona" or anything like that. Being a writing major you should at least be able to realize that. If you have an opinion, as a good writer you should be able to put it well and justify it. You're review was just a bunch of drivel which you pulled out of your ass? I know you enjoy reviewing and all but AT LEAST stay for a whole fucking show before reviewing something. Maybe you should be a bit more selective on which shows/albums you review. You really did manage to lose all credibility and respect from not only this review but your horrible comments which you keep posting, confirming all of our points.

kenjamin (February 24, 2005)

"None of it is innovative; no respect shown by me."

Ha! ...says the the guy who gave an Icarus Line record a 10. Like whoah, those guys are our generation's This Heat.

Anonymous (February 24, 2005)

Columbia. Woo.

Jesse (February 24, 2005)

I don't think they deserve respect because I don't think their music has any shred of credibility. None of it is innovative; no respect shown by me.

sickboi (February 24, 2005)

Jesse, Jesse, Jesse...

There is nothing wrong with not liking a band. But you made it a point to blatantly talk shit on a well-respected band, with a honest following.

If you really want people to listen to, and respect your opinion, when discussing a band like this, a least show them the respect they deserve, whether you care for the music or not.

Anonymous (February 24, 2005)

Jesse how fucking stupid are you? its not about the band! its about your shitty attitude and aweful writing. dude! you suck.

Jesse (February 24, 2005)

I'm not "way in over my head" and I won't "chalk it up to a lapse of judgment." It's my own fucking opinion that I stick by, straight and true. If I think a band makes shitty music, I'm going to call them out on it.

What you said about Fugazi is irrelevant. You said you liked some of Fugazi, but that you really respect them. I like none of PMFS, so why should I have to respect them? They sucked when they were an emo band, they suck now when they're ass-raping metal/hardcore. I've said my piece already in this thread, so you can keep yelling at me, but it ain't gonna do any good.

Anonymous (February 24, 2005)

ha ha. i wonder if planes has read all this controversy. i would bet no, but it'd be funny if they did.

elliot (February 24, 2005)

"chord progressions straight out of something on a modern rock station"?

wow. just.....wow. that's the dumbest thing ever. solid proof that you don't have a goddamn clue.

Anonymous (February 24, 2005)

and the fact that fugazi is even mentioned here makes me happy. some justice at last-

Anonymous (February 24, 2005)

How the fuck is album-reviewing related to Journalism? I mean, reviewing means giving out a personal opinion. Personal opinions are unwelcome in the field of Journalism.

-Chinatown

you've got to be kidding me right? how the fuck is album reviewing like journalism? how is writing a column like journalism then? or creating an Op-Ed page like journalism.....or writing a feature piece on a band like journalism. you can in fact inject your opinion in journalism. ever read a movie review in a newspaper before. what about rolling stone, spin, ap, or magnet....any opinion in there...and that's not journalism? if i'm not mistaken there's some journalism skill required in all of that. comments like that will force me into retirement around here.
-TOBB

all of this because some kid who was at club hated the second hand smoke. lame.

Anonymous (February 24, 2005)

hey jesse, how many of your best of 2004 mix cds did you sell?

stevejonestherealbones (February 24, 2005)

you dont like alot of fugazi....um...thats not helping the planes fans any

plot(tout,out(:,2))

- jones the bones

Anonymous (February 24, 2005)

Jesse, instead of trying to defend yourself, you should just throw in the towel on this one and chalk it up to a sudden lapse of judgement.

You're in over your head here and you took a stab at a band that has more respect from "real" music fans than almost any other "current" band I can think of.

I bet some of the people posting here in defense of Planes aren't even fans of the band, but can at least see them for what they are.

I may not like a lot of stuff Fugazi put out, but I would take the time to defend them if someone were calling them corporate sell-outs. Which really is in the same realm of absurdity as putting Planes and nu-metal in the same sentence.

Anonymous (February 23, 2005)

you guys are bitches get over it

kenjamin (February 23, 2005)

Score is for your middle name! I like PMFS.

Anonymous (February 23, 2005)

If you take off the F, you get PMS!

stevejonestherealbones (February 23, 2005)

i cant believe this is getting so much shit. pmfs fans are seriously very insecure. you guys need to get over the fact that you like a crappy band

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anonymous (February 23, 2005)

In Jesse's defense, I'm going to say that he does know how to use sentence fragments to produce certain effects. (The last three phrases of his Dillinger Four review are pure gold, though he does misuse "it's" at one point, which is inexcusable for an English student.) The review to "The Occasion" is good because of that; it reads a bit like a Raymond Carver story, without all the emotion bubbling just below the surface (then again, what kind of emotion can derive from a mediocre album?).

By the way, some of Hemingway's prose reads like it was composed by an immigrant trying to appear smart. Really. Have you read A Farewell to Arms' dialogue? Christ, the narrator sure as hell doesn't express himself like an American man.

-Chinatown

Anonymous (February 23, 2005)

do your career a favor and remember not to put punknews.org on your resume. i've read your reviews. stick to writing fiction. journalism is a whole different ballgame. i'm not a kid. or a fan boy. you've never been published in your life and that's PAINFULLY obvious. good luck with that novel pally.
-TOBB

How the fuck is album-reviewing related to Journalism? I mean, reviewing means giving out a personal opinion. Personal opinions are unwelcome in the field of Journalism.

-Chinatown

Anonymous (February 23, 2005)

score is for jesse

Jesse (February 23, 2005)

With exception of this review, every other review I've written is half and half. Half of you, like, yourself, hate it with a passion. You tell me to quit writing, I'm wasting time, blah blah blah. The other half encourage me, saying that they love my writing, they like my musical opinions, blah blah blah. But regardless of all of that, I'm a staff writer. The editors of this website either appreciate the writing I do, or appreciate the fact that I voice my opinion in a way that's very different from most staff writers. If you look at my track record, the amount of records I've reviewed in the past year is fairly staggering. The fact that I'm reviewing this many records means that yes, some of the reviews aren't going to be as good as others. And even though you might not have liked my review of The Occasion, every comment on there was congratulating me on a very well written review. That's fine if you and your group wants me out, but I'm not going anywhere. You could always just avoid the reviews I write. That's an easy solution.

I said that PMFS reminded me of nu-metal because when I saw them, there were multiple instances where the chord progression and the delivery of said chord progression was straight out of a modern rock radio station. That's my defense for it. People can call them hardcore, but when I saw them, or when I listen to them on record (which hasn't been a lot, to be honest), I see no traces between them and bands like Minor Threat, Bad Brains, Black Flag, etc. So that's my opinion of them. I see more connections with modern "nu-metal" groups than with hardcore groups. And do you know what that is? It's an opinion.

My opinion, to be exact. My very own full fledged opinion. And it's perfectly legal to voice my opinion on this website. Why? Because Punknews.org is basically the closest form of a true public forum that there could be. Period. This website is taking full complete advantage of the First Amendment in all of its glories. I'm not supposed to write to pander to an audience. We're not trying to retain a readership by focusing on a certain particular way of reviewing things. We don't hype bands as a Public Relations strategy. Everything that comes out here at Punknews.org is 100%, quality opinion. And the best part is, you have the ability to voice your own opinion. You've been doing very well by writing it out in this current thread. But does that mean that I should quit, because a group of people claim that I should? Because their opinion focuses around the fact that they think I can't write and that they don't agree with my opinion? Fuck no. This is Punknews.org. Write your own review, you're perfectly capable of it. Go to this show when it comes to your town, write about how much you like a certain band and how much you don't like a certain band.

Was that consistent for you? Was that written at a high enough level of intelligence? Pushing boundaries, am I? Just because I have the ability to doesn't mean I'm going to write at a high-brow level. This is Punknews. Not an essay contest. If I wanted to write with impeccable grammar and with an obscure vernacular, I would have tried to get a gig writing at Pitchfork. Like I said, I do have an internet persona. Why? It makes writing fun. Like if you read this thread from start to finish. You've got a bunch of kids getting angry at one guy who is sitting back and laughing at them for caring so much. Which is the other reason that I place myself behind an internet persona. I just don't put that much stock in taking everything so seriously. I mean, c'mon. It's a webzine. I dearly hope that this response fully covers everything that you were so desperate to prod out of me. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask them and I'll try to answer to the best of my ability, internet persona aside.

Peace and love,

Jesse Carrington Raub

Anonymous (February 23, 2005)

"nü-metal"

I don't think i have ever heard PMFS referred to in that way. ever. even in bad reviews.

what about them was "nü"?

They are emo. emotional.
fucker. 9 is for planes.
wyzo

Anonymous (February 23, 2005)

What a bunch of fucking garbage. You didn't even stay for the whole show but you think you have an opinion that counts?

Anonymous (February 23, 2005)

Worst show review I've ever read and that is really saying something. Why would this get posted? Is this site truly that desperate?

Anonymous (February 23, 2005)

Jesse, this is not about PMFS. This is about your inadequacies as a writer. Your only retort, short hallowed and weak, does nothing but reiterate our (collective) belief that you are a terrible writer. If people wrote anything similar about me as they are about you (they are. you know this. This happens every time you write a review) I would not write anymore reviews. It is unfortunate in your case that your own self righteousness is clouding your judgment as a writer. Please, do us all a favor and defend the accusations that you are presented with and refrain from changing the subject. Tell us, in plain English with out the name calling (i.e. ??meat-heads?) why you??re writing is good. Allow me to give you a helpful tip. Consistency ; make your argument consistent and stay to the topic. Newspapers are written at a 5th grade level. This does not mean that you are allowed to write reviews at a 3rd grade level.

Jesse (February 23, 2005)

Oh wow, this is amazing. I'd never thought I'd get to this point! People are actually telling me that I fail at life! My personal status as a functioning member of society is being questioned! Guess what? That's your opinion. And I applaud your decision making skills.

I have an opinion as well, which is that Planes Mistaken For Stars is a shitty ass band. Shit man, I was making a concession to you meatheads by giving them at least a 5. Me and the Spanish Cowboy are high fivin' over this one.

Anonymous (February 23, 2005)

you're a fucking idiot. don't ever review a show on here again. please. and stay away from metal shows...you don't get it.

elliot (February 23, 2005)

if jesse isn't going to even try to defend his statement saying that planes reminded him of a nu-metal band, then the only thing i can infer from that is that he's admitted how much of an idiot he is.

unless he can defend it....

Anonymous (February 23, 2005)

do me a favor. take a listen to "fuck with fire". then write me a 300 word essay about the similarities between PMFS and nu-metal. thanks.

Not just fuck with fire. Their self-titled ep, knife in the marathon, and even the new one... NONE of it is even one SHRED of nu-metal. Usher is more nu-metal than Planes. These guys have punk fucking rock and roll running through their veins and if you've ever had a chance to talk to them they all talk about shit that came out 20 years ago! Nu-metal doesn't even exist in their world!

Anonymous (February 23, 2005)

It??s also funny that you could only stay for 2 songs from high on fire. How can you write a review for a show you didn??t even stick around to see in its entirety?
What college did you say you went to? Even college of dupage hones better writing skills than I have read in yours. You really should consider a writers workshop or meeting with a career advisor. Maybe writing is just not what destiny has in store for you. Everyone has dreams that might not get fulfilled. I really do not believe that you will ever become a good writer. Even the link you forwarded us to read was terrible. If you thought that was your best work, you are going to have a difficult time writing. Have you thought about maybe opening a record store or building homes? If I were you I would stop disillusioning my self with the antic of becoming a writer. It should be apparent to you by now that you do not have many fans. Take their advice and quietly bow out. There is no shame in finding what suits you.

Anonymous (February 23, 2005)

Jesse, you and the rest of the little Chicago douche bags are the reason the music scene has become pretentious and boring. Please stop going to shows, or at the very least stop reviewing them. Remember there were punk rock and metal bands before 1998.

Anonymous (February 23, 2005)

I don't like the fact that Jesse has managed to lose all his credibility and respect on this site with one show review. Congrats kid!

Anonymous (February 23, 2005)

Haha! You're a writer? Good luck with that... I will give one thing to jesse... at least he's consistant... unfortunately he's consistant in bad writing, thinking he's witty while posting stupid comments and then calling it sarcasm once someone calls him out on his mistakes... Of course Jesse will post a reply to this and it's will be just as terrible as the rest... What terrible school is it you go to in Illinois that supports this rubbish?

ElVaquero (February 23, 2005)

Even if I love PMFS, I also love Jesse and his ability to piss off so many people so easily. My hero.

Anonymous (February 23, 2005)

Anyone that claims to have a "wicked internet persona" Is as nerdy and lame as a person can get. I don't give a fuck how many obscure bands and David Bowie records you say you jock, your no better than a kid that writes anime fan fiction.

Anonymous (February 23, 2005)

And traveling through this album is much like traveling through the desert. Or at least, the desert as I know it from cartoons and movies, seeing as how I'm come once removed from the frozen wastelands of Canada. At first, it's sort of like, "Hey, I'm in the desert. That's pretty sweet." You run across the random cow skull every fifteen feet or so and say to yourself "Oh man, I'd hate to have been that guy" while chuckling softly. Then you look around and see how everything around you is the same. Same cow skull every fifteen feet, and it's not as cool anymore. In fact, it's sort of creepy. And then you hear (in the distance) the lonesome call of vultures as they begin to circle overhead. And then you say, "Hey, that sort of reminds me a little bit like Portishead." And it strikes you. It reminds you of a less electronic, more organic sounding Portishead. --------

you've got to be kidding me right? you're defending your so-called "craft" and this pile of dung is the link you provide? honestly man. if you're a freshman in college you're lucky. if you're walking the stage this May getting some $30,000 piece of paper that says you've learned what it takes to be "fiction writer", you're in deep shit. don't be mad, i have a liberal arts degree too buddy. keep at it.
-TOBB

Anonymous (February 23, 2005)

"a wicked internet persona". hahahah hows that helping your love life? -awesome. welcome to www.abunchofwhinypussies.org

Anonymous (February 23, 2005)

do your career a favor and remember not to put punknews.org on your resume. i've read your reviews. stick to writing fiction. journalism is a whole different ballgame. i'm not a kid. or a fan boy. you've never been published in your life and that's PAINFULLY obvious. good luck with that novel pally.
-TOBB

Jesse (February 23, 2005)

Well, I already talked about how I was joking about the long hair and beard thing, so that just makes you look like an ass.

"do us a favor and refrain from ever reviewing another album again"

See, that's where you look like a dumbass, since this was a live show. Bad context.

"Quit going to punk rock shows if you are just going to cry about it."

Whoa, buddy. This was a metal show. Get it straight.

"Let more dedicated writers and reviewers pick those up."

Did anyone else review this show? Nope. So if I didn't go to it and review it, then there wouldn't be a review of it. Nobody would have "picked it up." In part two of this argument, not every review should be done by an absolute fan of it. I gave an opinion that isn't shared by the majority, but a few do agree with it, and those who did appreciate it might have a better idea of what tastes in music that they share with me.

And to answer your question, I'm a Fiction Writing major. I just have a wicked internet persona that I use to piss off fanboys, like yourself. Haha, joke's on you. If you read another of my reviews, you might get a different feel for my writing abilities.

Anonymous (February 23, 2005)

do me a favor. take a listen to "fuck with fire". then write me a 300 word essay about the similarities between PMFS and nu-metal. thanks.

Anonymous (February 23, 2005)

this guy said he was in college... definitely not a liberal arts student. im guessing science? possibly math? no command over the language whatsoever.

TOBB

Anonymous (February 23, 2005)

Quit going to punk rock shows if you are just going to cry about it. Let more dedicated writers and reviewers pick those up. How about instead you just tell us how awesome animal collective are and why you would suck David Bowie off given the chance.

Anonymous (February 23, 2005)

'On the motorhead thing... Motorhead is actually huge fans of Planes and asked them to play with them in Colorado last year...'

Exactly. And jesse, you're still a moron...you judged planes on what they looked like but I guarantee you that if you talked to the guys, you would realize what incredible, dedictated, genuine and down-to-earth people they are. please do us a favor and refrain from ever reviewing another album again. thanks.

Psychoos231 (February 23, 2005)

I'd don't like this band..Sweet Cobra sucks too. I guess my musical taste is better than the kid who reviewed this.....sigh, damn kids

elliot (February 23, 2005)

because saying that you got a nu-metal vibe from planes is the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard. and you still haven't explained yourself. get to it.

Jesse (February 23, 2005)

Much thanks to Brian for the correction.

By the way, how come nobody has talked about how fucking awesome Sweet Cobra is? All you do is bitch and whine about PMFS when you easily could have just gone to the Sweet Cobra site, stream some songs, then say:

"I'm sorry, Jesse. You were right. I'll just shut up and brush the sand out of my vagina."

Jesse (February 23, 2005)

Shit. That's a typo. It's supposed to say:

"that last SENTENCE was too sissy"

It was in regard to teh sentence I just typed....oops. My bad for not proofreading. If you read the sentence before it, it's a very sissy sentence.

Anonymous (February 23, 2005)

What's wrong with wanting to avoid secondhand smoke?
It's more hazardous to the body than the very act of smoking.

-Chinatown

Anonymous (February 23, 2005)

Come on Jesse. As an Akimbo fan you should know better than to even imply that Planes are anything close to Nu-metal.

My favorite part was when you call a Kyslea song "too sissy" and then complain about secondhand smoke.

Jesse (February 23, 2005)

For once, Chinatown, I agree with you. PMFS is huge, man. Deal with it. They're basically touching mainstream.

Anonymous (February 23, 2005)

The comments below seem to show a lot of people who are at least familiar enough with PMFS to know that there is not one nu-metal bone in their collective bodies.

My guess is that those people have a better understanding of underground music as a whole than the person who wrote this review.

Wow, what a stupid comment.

-Chinatown

Anonymous (February 23, 2005)

Christ, this review wasn't that bad (Jesse, however, is.)

Anyway, why can't Jesse grow a beard? Must be all of that Animal Collective shit.

-Chinatown

bizzlebrizzle (February 23, 2005)

Jesse, at least you enjoyed High On Fire, who I personally think I like better than Isis.

Jesse (February 22, 2005)

People, people, people.

You're all missing the point here, which is:

I'm always right, and you have a terrible taste in music. Get over it.

stevejonestherealbones (February 22, 2005)

pmfs is fucking lame. get over it

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anonymous (February 22, 2005)

My experience has been that if people are familiar with a band like PMFS, they most likely have a greater grasp on underground music in general. Notice I said "familiar with" and not "only people who like PMFS".

The comments below seem to show a lot of people who are at least familiar enough with PMFS to know that there is not one nu-metal bone in their collective bodies.

My guess is that those people have a better understanding of underground music as a whole than the person who wrote this review.

Love 'em or hate 'em, but at least respect PMFS for kicking ass for so long with an unwaivering dedication to pushing the envelope and challenging listeners time and time again.

Anonymous (February 22, 2005)

My favorite sentence in this review is: "For the two songs I was able to stay for, I totally thought they were awesome. " Haha, pretty much sums up how terrible this review and reviewer are.

Anonymous (February 22, 2005)

what does them enjoying planes prove? that the guy who wrote the review should enjoy planes because he enjoys motorhead?

Anonymous (February 22, 2005)

On the motorhead thing... Motorhead is actually huge fans of Planes and asked them to play with them in Colorado last year... Keep on explain and making excuses though, they're quite entertaining

Anonymous (February 22, 2005)

A lot of thier songs are dropped D. Does that somehow make them metal? (or numetal I guess?) No.. not at all. This review blows.

Anonymous (February 22, 2005)

even if you feel that planes put on a horrible show, whatever whatever, their dedication level in what they do is unbelievable. they're touring machines. they're slobby fuckin drunks and they love it. on a side note, the cat who wrote this review, refered to a band he thinks highly of as one 'in the vein of motorhead and black sabbath.' don't fuck with planes, they're one of the few bands present that continue to change their music but still stay consistent within it. reviews are lame. planes are cool. meow.

Anonymous (February 22, 2005)

"elliot", i would bet money that they are in at least D tuning, if not lower.

Anonymous (February 22, 2005)

im so glad someone is finally saying how much pmfs suck. i wish theyd stop making their shitty music and go back to sucking each others dicks back in arkansas.

elliot (February 22, 2005)

okay, to even say that planes REMIND you of nu-metal is fucking retarded. there is absolutely nothing in their music or their live show that could possibly be interpreted as nu-metal. no dudes doing that "get low" guitar bob, no drop tuning, no shitty singing.....

seriously. you still have a lot of explaining to do.

Anonymous (February 22, 2005)

pussy

Anonymous (February 22, 2005)

haha, this kid makes me laugh... what a little bitch

Jesse (February 22, 2005)

1) Planes is Nu-Metal

What I actually said was:
"a smattering of crappy hard music that reminded me too much of nü-metal"
REMINDED me of nu-metal, didn't actually say it WAS nu-metal.

2) Looks are the most important thing in music

Hmmm:
"while they had the long and/or facial hair to be the most metal band I heard"
Can't take a joke, eh? Have you never read any of my reviews? Don't you know how much sarcasm I use?

3) I'm scared of those SCARY metal kids.

What I actually said:
"Especially when you're under 250, have no beard and your hair isn't past your shoulders? It's a scary place for outsiders, my friends."
Again, sarcasm.

4) I can't handle second hand smoke.

What I actually said:
"Plus, I was dying from all the second-hand smoke."
After being there for three and a half hours, yes, I was tired of the second hand smoke. Not being a dumbass smoker, and having concern for my own health, I felt like leaving.

5) I couldn't stay for the headlining band because it was past my bedtime and I had to go wait for my mom to pick me up outside (Don't worry, I had her pick me up around the corner so the scary metal kids wouldn't kick my ass)

Actually, I had a 45 minute train ride to catch, it was getting close to 1, and I had class at 9:30 the next morning. See, I'm college. I care about my education. I attempt to be responsible, especially since my classes start at 9:30 in the morning on Monday and run until 5:40. Speaking of which, I have another class to run off to.

Anonymous (February 22, 2005)

Haha, I like Jeese's comment... Are you a fifteen year old kid or what? Did you even read what you wrote in the review? Let's sum up shall we?
1) Planes is Nu-Metal
2) Looks are the most important thing in music
3) I'm scared of those SCARY metal kids
4) I can't handle second hand smoke
5) I couldn't stay for the headlining band because it was past my bedtime and I had to go wait for my mom to pick me up outside (Don't worry, I had her pick me up around the corner so the scary metal kids wouldn't kick my ass)

You don't find it a bit odd that NOBODY agrees with you?

Anonymous (February 22, 2005)

WHats this kids obsession with how people look?

Hmmmmmm....

ZDP (February 22, 2005)

Comparing PMFS to nu-metal? Sacrilege!

Anonymous (February 22, 2005)

disgust: to excite nausea or loathing in; sicken.

seriously, that is the biggest steaming pile of horsehit review i've ever read. 2 1/2 minutes of my life i could have spent picking my ass. second hand smoke? big metal heads? you pussy. by the way... planes mistaken for stars have an awful name, but are a decent band, to say the least. what a mo. im disgusted.

-TOBB

jamespastepunk (February 22, 2005)

I have yet to seen Planes Mistaken For Stars live, but you eiether love them or don't like them. Having heard a few of their tunes, they're competent musicians, but I just can't get into their stuff.

By the way, the second Rise Against show was much better than the first. Review coming soon.

Archangel (February 22, 2005)

Unbelievable.

Jesse (February 22, 2005)

A) I never said they WERE nu-metal, I just said that it reminded me too much of it.

B) Comeback Kid, F-Minus ?? these bands are the ones that are part of a dying breed of punk/hardcore. PMFS is just a bunch of wacked out losers ?? proves my point when all you knuckleheads shit yourselves just to try to defend them. Like I said, you all have terrible taste in music, and thanks for proving it to me yet again.

Anonymous (February 22, 2005)

whats wrong with this review?

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anonymous (February 22, 2005)

let's just go ahead and say it:

worst. review. ever.

how the fuck does a shitfest like this get posted? he calls PMFS Nu-Metal, and then doesn't even stick around for the headlining act? seriously....wtf.

Anonymous (February 22, 2005)

Please do us a favor Jesse and NEVER write a rewiew or post a comment on this site again.

Jesse (February 22, 2005)

Punknews didn't send me to this show or require me to go. I just decided to myself.

REALPUNX4LIFE (February 22, 2005)

Score is for me. I stayed home last night and studied instead of going to this show in MPLS. Planes Mistaken for Stars and High on Fire will eat you alive. Too bad there aren't multiple yous so that they could each have one. They're that tough. They don't need to split pussies amongst themselves.

bizzlebrizzle (February 22, 2005)

Jesse is a cock gobbler for calling Planes nu-metal.

I mean, there's obvious stoner/sludge metal influence(which is why they're playing with Kylesa and High On Fire)

Anonymous (February 22, 2005)

this website sucks balls

Anonymous (February 22, 2005)

Score of review, uh, 1?

OK, so you're reviewing High On Fire and you don't even watch their set. Then, you describe the three or so songs you did see as kick ass, deserving a 7/10? Now, I don't know about you, but I don't see how 7 out of 10 connotes kick ass.

If you were so scared of metal heads, why did you even go to this show? That's like sending someone that's scared of foorball players to "review" a Radiers game or sending someone who is afraid of lesbians to a Le Tigre concert.

I am baffled by this review. Then again, I guess it makes sense that Punknews.org would choose this guy to review this show. Apparently this site has a strict policy regarding the reviews they'll run: reviews must be poorly written, logically inconsistent and trite. I'd be amused by this if I didn't take music somewhat seriously.

The High On Fire review seems like an assignment for a class. The reviewer didn't actually attend the show and tried to cover it by writing a vague, illogical review in hopes of bluffing his way out of the assignment. I give this review an F.

theundergroundscene (February 22, 2005)

jesse, i've gotta say, you've got pretty good taste as far as the things you like go, but you're a piece of shit reviewer for the most part

Anonymous (February 22, 2005)

What an absolute and complete pussy you are Jesse.. damn it! Planes.. nu metal? I hate it when stupid kids think they are smart enough review bands that they've never heard of. Like your critique counts for anything. Fucking idiot!

I hope some overweight metal kid skull fucks you to death while listening to Iron Maiden.

BrandonSideleau (February 22, 2005)

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.....High On Fire absolutely destroy. I'm kicking my own ass for not seeing 'em in Los Angeles earlier this month.

ElVaquero (February 22, 2005)

I'm pretty sure this entire review is flame bait.

Anonymous (February 22, 2005)

Why the hell does punknews.org still post terrible reviews such as this? I think I might just start going to punkbands.com or some other site that at least has a decent staff to review bands.

Anonymous (February 22, 2005)

i say this is the downfall of Jesse

Anonymous (February 22, 2005)

score is for even mention the forbidden nu-metal .....especially no a PMFS review!

this reviewer lost all his scene points

Anonymous (February 22, 2005)

haha! I like how you actually give a fuck that the band had facial hair and long hair. Just a suggestion but maybe you should try to look past the way a band looks when judging them

Crookedsuperhero (February 22, 2005)

a smattering of crappy hard music that reminded me too much of nü-metal

What the fuck are you talking about?

Anonymous (February 22, 2005)

By the way... this is probably the most pussy review I have ever heard... You're scared of all the metal heads and second hand smoke... Grow the fuck up... You're a fucking joke...

Anonymous (February 22, 2005)

You have got to be fucking kidding me... both the reviewer and the person who said planes were terrible live... I usually stay quiet on this site as most people post terrible, typical comments about the scene and the bands in it but I'm amazed at these comments. Nu-Metal? Who the fuck have you been listening to lately? PMFS is the only band I will defend til the day I did as honost, heartfelt musicians who are putting out incredible music... They are inj my opinion the only hope in a dying music scene and genre (punk/hardcore.) If anyone is reading this and hasn't heard planes please don't listening to this blubbering fucking fool. Planes Mistaken for Stars is putting out and has put out the best, most heartfelt (not in a shitty emo way) and creative albums in the past ten years as anyone in the scene. It really makes me lose hope in music when ignorant fucks like this guy write reviews such as this... Grow up and learn to look at music objectively... You might (hopefully) learn something... damn, fuck this scene if this is what it has become...

hubitcherkokov (February 22, 2005)

High On Fire and Planes Mistaken For Stars are both horrible live.

Anonymous (February 22, 2005)

Metalheads talking shit about planes? OH NO!

Nu-metal?

Get your head out of your anus, son.

Score is for PMFS who I will see on Wednesday.

Anonymous (February 22, 2005)

I saw PMFS after their first ep came out and they looked the same as they do now - and were just as aggressive. Probably the best band in hardcore today, in my opinion at any rate.

OC

bears_love_tacos (February 22, 2005)

i saw this show in baltimore, and pmfs were great. also the guy from high on fire has some gnarly teeth.

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