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The Mars Volta: Frances The MuteFrances The Mute (2005)
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There have been many big splits over the course of American history. There was that civil war business that a few of my professors seem to think was important, the splitting of the 2003 NCAA football national championship between USC and LSU, then by far the most unfortunate split in our nation's hi.
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There have been many big splits over the course of American history. There was that civil war business that a few of my professors seem to think was important, the splitting of the 2003 NCAA football national championship between USC and LSU, then by far the most unfortunate split in our nation's history, that of El Paso's At The Drive-In, factioning off to form Sparta, and the far more adventurous Mars Volta. Each band has two albums now under their belt, and after hearing all four, this is definitely the pick of that litter, if not the litter of most of the musical landscape recently. Leave the hating to the real playa hatas, like Buc Nasty and Silky Johnson, because Frances The Mute will blow your mind. So give up your qualms about how pretentious this is, and how overindulgent, because given the chance, you're in for a hell of a ride.

This album packs so much music into its 77-minute duration. I hate to use the term "prog rock," because this fuses so many different styles, from jazz to Latin rhythms, punk influences to ambient spazouts. In essence, this album is supposed to be a discovery of a man's roots, in epic form, and in all truthfulness, epic could not be a better word to describe it. There's only five songs here, the last of which breaks the 30-minute mark, and thus being the longest song I've ever listened to, surpassing Pink Floyd's "Shine On You Crazy Diamond." Enough of that though, let's get into the album itself.

Opening things off, we have "Cygnus…Vismund Cygnus." The song leads in with some acoustic guitar, and vocalist Cedric Bixler softly singing in a far more personal style. He's not just using big and extravagant words, so you can actually comprehend what he's saying. It definitely adds something this time around. But don't get too comfortable; before long, Cedric's trademark wail kicks in, and it's not in English. Again, I'm sure plenty of people will call it pretentious and similar things, but it adds a certain air of authenticity, with all the Latin rhythms integrated in this album. Soon after, Omar's guitar kicks in, and the clean sounds absolutely shred, before leading into some more subtle guitar work that could easily be background music for any scene in "Desperado." Around 7 minutes, the music kicks back in and Cedric's lyrical chops really show.

I count the days to find, what was left behind / Only these names I clutch / Will lead me to my home / Somehow this river marks, a wrinkled hand in mine / And every day it parts, the water into two / Mothers and feathers start, to drown the living proof / I can't remember these lakes of blood / Wrapped in a blanket, there sweats a cut .
After some more of Omar's guitar work, the song fades into some ambient noise, leading into the album's single, "The Widow." While it is the album's shortest track, it showcases Omar's talent on the guitar as well as any other point on the album, as well as it showcases the trumpet-playing ability of the Red Hot Chilli Peppers' Flea. Though, this song does present the one weak point on the album, which is the very much distorted organ in the last two minutes; it doesn't seem to fit as well as some other things might have. It does, though, lead well into the album's third track, and arguably the best, "L'Via L'Viaquez." The song infuses the Latin rhythms into the music better than any other. You can't help but feel you have your own personal mariachi band in your bedroom playing for you, complete with velvet, sequined suits and sombreros. Most of this song is sung in Spanish, and it sounds absolutely flawless. Cedric's voice has never been better. He may not be as consistently intense as back in his days in At The Drive-In, but when he is, you'll take notice. Just when the song seems to be waning a bit, Omar kicks the life back in with that same amazing guitar work that's been prevalent throughout the entire album.

The fourth track, "Miranda That Ghost Just Isn't Holy Anymore," starts out with the same ambient noise that ended "L'Via L'Viaquez," and adds some creepy howling effects as well. It truly is creepy, as the noise fully takes you and puts you in a different environment, one where your senses are acute enough to pick out every inflection in the howl, and chirping in the background as well. This sets the mood well, and before the vocals come in there's some quiet guitar, and then the blast of the trumpets. Cedric's voice kicks in after the 5 minute mark quite tenderly, while the ambience still resonates in the background. The entire duration is much more subdued and restrained than anything you've heard from the Mars Volta before, and it beautifully sets the stage for the 30-minute epic that is "Cassanda Gemini."

While it is only one song, it's set through 7 different tracks. The first 5 minutes begin with all guns blazing, Cedric's voice bouncing around the scales while Omar's guitar cuts through it all. There's some distorted spoken word here, with the instrumentation in the background accenting it well. Omar breaks into an absolutely ridiculous solo, and it's soon accompanied by the backing strings and horns. For all of the first 10 minutes, it's a seesaw battle between Omar's intense guitar work, Cedric's impassioned vocals, and the powerful horns. Things loosen up a bit with the ambient section coming in at about the 10 minute mark, but then return in pieces, with each member of the band seemingly doing their own thing. They really work the loud/soft dynamic a lot with this song, and it ends up amazingly. Things finally culminate with the horns raging, Omar absolutely going off on guitar and Cedric crying out " Heavens just a scab away .. / let them see it has begun, the others what I've become."

And 77 minutes later, the hurricane that is Frances The Mute has finally subsided, leaving the rest of the music world, and you, just as ravished and out of breath as anything. So you can go ahead and write this album off as pretentious bullshit, or overindulgent crap, or fuckass showoffery, but it's not going to lessen the impact this will have on music; you might as well spend your time putting water in Buc Nasty's mama's dish.

 

 
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Donkeykongjr (September 26, 2007)

These dudes are laughing 'cause they get 20 bucks from you to force you to sit and listen to them musically wank off. I like the trend of shorter songs lately, dayyyyum it's great to sneeze and miss an entire IA album

viper77 (September 2, 2007)

mind blowing

rockguy2007 (March 13, 2007)

cool. original.

check out my friends band-
scary kids scaring kids

treos (July 29, 2006)

Refreshing to have an unjaded band in today's fast paced society that created an album that was long and draw out knowing that doing so they would talk a lot of flak and probably lose a lot of audience. unfortunately i dont wanna be a hypocrite and ill admit that it bugs me sometimes that they do this so they LOSE HALF A STAR! Otherwise definitely a dope-ass album. miranda is my fav.

Anonymous (March 23, 2006)

i feel sorry for anyone that makes it a point to dislike this album, all you're doing is not letting yourself experience an amazing piece of music. why dont you expand your tastes a little bit, life is a lot sweeter if you can enjoy all sorts of music. fuckin bozos.

Anonymous (February 7, 2006)

To the guy below:
I think their whole problem is theyre TRYING to write a masterpiece and not something theyre inspired by. You think they were really moved or inspired to have a echoey helicopter sound at 4:57 of track 10 or whatever, of course not. Write music that means something guys you got the talent. And strip it down it sounds like shit when you got 15000 bloody overdubs going on.

Anonymous (January 16, 2006)

Yes. It should have gotten a perfect score. This album is lightyears ahead of anything else listed on this site. Hopefully they'll stray more away from punk on their next album and create a progressive rock masterpiece (a much higher accomplishment than a punk masterpiece.)

fallingupwards84 (December 28, 2005)

"Though, this song does present the one weak point on the album, which is the very much distorted organ in the last two minutes; it doesn’t seem to fit as well as some other things might have."

If there was a weak point on the album, it shouldn't have gotten a perfect score.

Anonymous (December 23, 2005)

When punk listeners like to trash on bands for being artistic and thinking outside of 3-chord songs with a bunch of screaming and yelling, it just reinforces the fact that there still are retards walking around without caretakers.

I understand how you could not like the music, but if you say that TMV "sucks," then you honestly need to get a reality check on what is talented and what is not.

warningdevice (December 10, 2005)

I think I threw up when I heard these guys. Seriously people, what the fuck is so great about a band who has 15 minute songs of a guy singing like a pussy to the sound of cats scratching on an accordian? Don't give me this bullshit about how they're good because they're "original". Please! In this day and age, no one is original. So I leave you with this comment: If you liked this record, please do me, and everyone else who knows good music a favor... DIE HIPPIE!

Anonymous (November 30, 2005)

I'm very open mined when it comes to music but this album sucked so hard it bends light. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said "pretentious bullshit". Please Mars Volta come back to earth and give your fans the great album we all know you're capable of!

Anonymous (November 14, 2005)

so i enjoy tripping on shrooms and acid....it is qwuite ghard to explain the trip....BUT!...the music created by mars volta perfectly explains it....INSANE!...my first time listenin to them was on acid....and i just layed there wondering off as the music by the volta created this altered world and imagery...their musci is absolutely perfect and diferent from ne other....if u dislike this album...listen to their first full album

Anonymous (November 7, 2005)

It's called progressive rock kids. Most of the kids that hate it here, it's just going over your heads. Take a listen to King Crimson and the same thing will happen. This is the first prog band in a while that's trying some different things. Hopefully it will open the door to more progressive acts.

**Long songs are nothing new in the prog genre.**

Anonymous (November 3, 2005)

You have the worst taste in music ever. First thrice now Mars piece of shit Volta? Kill yourself.

Anonymous (October 29, 2005)

i think alot of people are too set on disliking this album (or their other albums) because they believe that the mars volta made this just to be different and artsy. They are doing something important, which is creating music that is lifelike.

LouiTheFish (October 25, 2005)

amazing. the end.

Godfather (October 16, 2005)

just because something is different, does not make it good...with that said, these guys can suck my sweaty balls

Anonymous (September 15, 2005)

I'm all for bands taking chances and creating art rather than just producing a commodity but this seems less like art to me than something that will sound to people like it must be art because it's so filled with sound effects and time changes. The supposed jazz guitar solos on this album sound suspiciously like random "I dont know what I'm doing but want to sound clever" note hitting. I could be wrong though which is why I would love to see these guys live or at least some video of them to find out if this guys actually a guitar wiz whose just into really non-musical soloing. Most of the songs sound so layered too, it just feels real muddled. I really tried to like this one because i dug a couple of the songs off the last record and hoped this would be even better but no luck.

selkies_endlessOBSESSION (August 30, 2005)

Frances the mute is Bad , very bad. im sorry, its just bad music. Its absolutly EMPTY. EMPTY. EMPTY. For Empty listeners too, nothing to see with Deloused. Deloused was exelent frances the mute is ridiculous men, you see some guys totally overplaying it , not a single note is pure , The totally contrary of Deloused, in deloused it was coming from them, this new album is like coming from a mental effort to create art, ''art'' . I can see it within the new fans they made, tipe of people who watch too much mtv. I cant express how much im sad of this record

selkies_endlessOBSESSION (August 30, 2005)

Frances the mute is Bad , very bad. im sorry, its just bad music. Its absolutly EMPTY. EMPTY. EMPTY. For Empty listeners too, nothing to see with Deloused. Deloused was exelent frances the mute is ridiculous men, you see some guys totally overplaying it , not a single note is pure , The totally contrary of Deloused, in deloused it was coming from them, this new album is like coming from a mental effort to create art, ''art'' . I can see it within the new fans they made, tipe of people who watch too much mtv. I cant express how much im sad of this record

selkies_endlessOBSESSION (August 30, 2005)

Frances the mute is Bad , very bad. im sorry, its just bad music. Its absolutly EMPTY. EMPTY. EMPTY. For Empty listeners too, nothing to see with Deloused. Deloused was exelent frances the mute is ridiculous men, you see some guys totally overplaying it , not a single note is pure , The totally contrary of Deloused, in deloused it was coming from them, this new album is like coming from a mental effort to create art, ''art'' . I can see it within the new fans they made, tipe of people who watch too much mtv. I cant express how much im sad of this record

Anonymous (July 25, 2005)

I like the mars volta alot, i just want to kick the living shit out of their guitarist. i dont know what album the original reviewistator has listened to here, but i suspect he is a dinlo and has no idea about guitar playing, and i think hes tone deaf. this band are wicked, but each song is pissed up by that wanker guitarist pretending he can play guitar wh en he just cant. he should burn in hell for ruining such awesome songs with his shoddy 'experimental' guitar playing. IDIOT. im so angry...

Anonymous (July 23, 2005)

amazing album. anyone who is saying it sucks has never done shrooms or lsd and gave it a wizz.

Anonymous (July 17, 2005)

If you listen to L'Via and feel like "you have your own personal mariachi band in your bedroom playing for you, complete with velvet, sequined suits and sombreros", you should definetly go out and get to know some latin music, because the CUBAN SON played in L'Via is totally different fom MEXICAN MARIACHI music.
Sheesh. The song is beautiful, but if you're going to compliment a band about the depth of their music and how well they implement latin rhythms, you should know better than to use the sombrero mariachi stereotype when something "sounds latin" to you.

Anonymous (July 5, 2005)

Terrible.

benz (July 1, 2005)

Definetly not worth 5 stars. De-loused was much better, but even that wasn't a perfect 10.

-benz

md40_07 (June 27, 2005)

I like the Mars Volta and all, but there are times when I just dont understand them, to much Spanish for me and not enough singing at some parts i LOVED The Widow, just that song alone will make me give this album 3 stars, so i guess with the rest of the moderate to high moderate tracks this will get 3 and a half

Anonymous (May 30, 2005)

yaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwn

Anonymous (May 3, 2005)

Mars Volta is great. Unfortunatly this album is 50% beautiful music and 50% pointless noise. Although it's great if you are tripping your balls off. Although at times the wierd sounds tweak you out. Frances the Mute = 3 stars. Mushrooms= 5 stars. Yummy.

Anonymous (May 2, 2005)

You can not give this band a score. This is because we have nothing to compare them to. The songs are tooooooooooooo long and at times are not even music but credit to them. I bet they got a fair few head aches making the record.

Anonymous (May 1, 2005)

Their music is amazing. You seriously can't give anything negative about their music besides its a little too long for some people. Lyric wise, it does make sense, you just need to be more familiar with the english language. Their lyrics are amazing, if you don't understand it...get their book. It might help you understand their first album. The lyrics for their second album isn't as complicated as the first album. Just use your brains and I'm sure you can comprehend the beauty of their music.

Anonymous (May 1, 2005)

Mars volta is fucking great. Both their albums and their eps. Its fucking joygasmic.

-Junious.

Anonymous (May 1, 2005)

Its fucking great.

Anonymous (April 29, 2005)

TheMickeyKnox wuz here. C Lyle 2005

Anonymous (April 27, 2005)

Pretentious? The most ridiculous thing to say about a band is "they try too hard blah blah blah" every record ever made had blood sweat and/or tears of some sort put into it. Any sound that is new or unheard of, guess what? the band TRIED to do something different. I agre that the ambient shit on this album is a little long but its noy music. it doesnt really count. Judge the music, not the shit in between the music. If you dont like Volta, go listen to contemporary radio rock. Mars Volta is art rock to the extreme. Even if you hate it, you cannot disrespect it. Anyone who gives Volta less than a 2 1/2 star reveiw, even if they hate it, has no ear for talent and isnt fit to judge music. Respect musicianship for musicians are who make this stuff for us. Respect it or dont listen to ANY of it. It's okay to not like it but to not respect it shows your ignorance. Deloused was a 5 star too. Genious.

Anonymous (April 27, 2005)

The first time i heard Volta i was like "what the fuck was that?" i was intrigued. Downloaded their single. I thought it was decent. Gave it a few listens. Dedcided it was worthy of a purchase (along with some strong recomondations from some friends). The first time i heard Frances in its entirety the only word that came to ind was "whoa". the second time i listened to it i started to tingle. The third time left me utterly speechless, brimming with a high that i have never expeirienced that greatly from music before. I am an avid music fan of all genres and stlyes from the Godspeed You Black Emperor, to the beatles, to JS Bach, to messhugah and everything in between and all i will say is that frances the mute is art at it's finest. It's musicianship to the highest form. It's melody after melody and brilliantly told. Omar A Rodriguez is the next Jimmy Page and is without a doubt the new genious on tha block. ive the only perfect 10 ive ever heard is this. Frances the mute=greatest album ever made. Deloused might be second. As a dedicated songwriter/musician i can hear talent in songwriting and know what talent is made up of. Melodically and instrumentally, lyrically and vocally, artistically and creativly. By the time these guys are finished, they might be the greatest band of all time.

Anonymous (April 18, 2005)

I wonder if anyone else released these lyrics, if everyone would trash them on here.

Im going for a yes.

Anonymous (April 1, 2005)

This cd is amazing, but not as good as Deloused. I think thats saying something for their first album.

Anonymous (March 29, 2005)

im australian and im just thankful that mars volta released another album which takes the focus off all americas other cock rock simple plan, creed, nickelback bullshit. mars volta arent even a punk band so dunno why theyre on this skaterboy shit website anyway. god bless all mars volta fans. atleast we have patience and taste to be able to enjoy them

Anonymous (March 27, 2005)

i think this album had a lot of great contributions from the drums, bass, guitars, and ensembles, and it was definitely a step up from deloused, buuuuut the ambience shit was a little much.

i mean, come on. crickets?

nick.

Anonymous (March 18, 2005)

this is a great cd for musicians who respect what these guys can do and are doing.

Anonymous (March 16, 2005)

They sing about exoskeletons, pink-eyed fountains and televators...you know... everyday stuff people can relate to. I can't see how you don't get it.

Anonymous (March 15, 2005)

Watch them live!!!

Anonymous (March 15, 2005)

just wondering .. what do they sing about?

Anonymous (March 13, 2005)

Mars Volta is far less pretentious than At The Drive-In, at the very least. No obnoxious posturing, way more subtelty. In fact I don't see how they're pretentious at all. Just because they're good musicians and they put a lot of work into their art doesn't mean that they're pretentious. They don't wear eye makeup or exhibit any of the other current hallmark traits of pretention.

moneenerd (March 11, 2005)

"Hey - everyone keeps throwing around this word "pretentious" when they're talking about the Mars Volta. In my opinion, all music is pretentious on some level. All music has to go out on a limb to try to make you feel something, to convince you of something, some emotion. If it doesn't do that at all, then it's just top-40 garbage. The Mars Volta simply try harder, and go way farther out on the limb than we're used to, & it makes us all unconfortable to see a band in such a vulnerable, precarious position. If you're offended that The Mars Volta took your valuable 77 minutes & wasted it, than go cry to your mommy & stop being so serious about music, because not everyone is going to get it, & not every attempt is going to succeed, but at least someone is trying. AND ONE MORE THING - please if you're going to bash it at least listen to it like 3 times minimum because i promise it does improve quite a bit after a few listens - not to mention the fact that it's always stuck in my head lately - Hey, there's something to be said for that! Yeah i know this review sounds pretentious - GO SUCK A LEMON DUDE."

I agree with you to a certain extent witht he whole pretentious topic, but I guess some just overplay it too much. I guess why I get so frustrated about bands like Mars Volta is because I think they're way overrated, and no one will shut up about it, and it just annoys the fuck out of me. And so I give the Mars Volta a shot and what do I get? Ambient puking noises spread out between a few mediocre guitar riffs, as if they know ppl are going to buy it no matter how much effort they put into it. I guess it also annoys me that ATDI broke up, and made 2 very mediocre bands that are on almost total opposites of the spectrum. But this masturbatory crap is just inexcusable.

astralsmirk (March 11, 2005)

by the way, Pitchfork giving that album a 2... On what scale is this album a 2??? They are too harsh.

astralsmirk (March 11, 2005)

that said... I agree with many of the negative comments that have been made. I would love a 77 minute Mars Volta prog album, but i feel like the material has simply been stretched out and cushioned by ambience to become 77 minutes. I've heard prog concept albums with long tracks & ambience that felt natural, & this isn't really one of them. I feel that this album would be more powerful if it was edited somewhat. I'm not that pissed about it though because it's what they wanted to do, & i respect that. I would also agree that the album is somewhat masturbatory, but again i just don't think these complaints are serious enough to warrant such hostility & distaste. And guys, please don't compare it to anything else, just appreciate it for what it is - you'd want to be treated the same.

astralsmirk (March 11, 2005)

whoops i meant to give it 8 stars see - i just got so wrapped up in being pretentious that i totally forgot myself.

astralsmirk (March 11, 2005)

Hey - everyone keeps throwing around this word "pretentious" when they're talking about the Mars Volta. In my opinion, all music is pretentious on some level. All music has to go out on a limb to try to make you feel something, to convince you of something, some emotion. If it doesn't do that at all, then it's just top-40 garbage. The Mars Volta simply try harder, and go way farther out on the limb than we're used to, & it makes us all unconfortable to see a band in such a vulnerable, precarious position. If you're offended that The Mars Volta took your valuable 77 minutes & wasted it, than go cry to your mommy & stop being so serious about music, because not everyone is going to get it, & not every attempt is going to succeed, but at least someone is trying. AND ONE MORE THING - please if you're going to bash it at least listen to it like 3 times minimum because i promise it does improve quite a bit after a few listens - not to mention the fact that it's always stuck in my head lately - Hey, there's something to be said for that! Yeah i know this review sounds pretentious - GO SUCK A LEMON DUDE.

Anonymous (March 10, 2005)

Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck FUCK!

My God, they're pretentious???? listen to all of your comments about this wasn't right this song is too long. if there's rotor blade noises its not because they ran out of ideas. This is a concept album the entire thing has a plot.
As for whether this album is good or not, you can't tell from one or two listens. Fuck this is the strangest thing since pink floyd which is why people are comparing it to them yet this is nothing like pink floyd. This album is wierd and probably the strangest music with the most depth we will hear all year, but i don't get it and until someone does (that's right it is a fucking challenge like a decent movie) they have no right to say shit or good. At the moment it just exists and only those who wrote it seem to understand the full scope of the album.
For the record no one knew of ATDI before Mars Volta so um go fuck urself in this case ur most definitely wrong.
AND what is this band doing on a punk forum? why are people saying they know good bands on a punk forum, and can u all go suck a fuck? I'm just here for a quick laugh and u all certainly made that an easy task.

Anonymous (March 7, 2005)

Anyone else hopes BSD dies in a horrible fire? Every comment of his... EVERY ONE... makes him sound like an arrogant piece of shit. Fucking die, PLEASE.

Anonymous (March 7, 2005)

" i wont lie, they are better musicians than me"

shit, really? i was wondering for a minute why someone of your calibur was posting on internet news sites rather than recording a 100 guitar wall of sound epic.

Anonymous (March 6, 2005)

im sure others tried this, but why are the track listings all messed up on Microsoft media player when you play the disc off the pc? In addition it lists 12 track on any cd player where the first four tracks are the first four songs what the hell are the next 8?!

As far as the cd goes its not deloused, but that is commendable for not resting on a proven formula. And as motives go for why they wrote the album I dont care as long as they dont write about why they're misunderstood or why they just can't get that girl they like to look their way just keep pushing the proverbial music envelop and ill listen.

stevejonestherealbones (March 6, 2005)

"Mars Volta suck simply for not letting getting Mr. Bones to produce the album. The songs are too long, theyre tracked all wrong, and there's not one interesting song. If the mofos just let Bones write their album for 'em, they might have at least released a somewhat reputable...release. "

well, maybe not write the album...because i wont lie, they are better musicians than me, but if they just let me help them with their ideas and focus...this could have been salvaged...all they had to do was just let me in the studio with them every day and asked me first whenever they had a bright idea...also , they would need to put me in the press photos and allow me to pick out clothes for them that fit...non of this 2 sizes too small shit...but yeah, thats all i'm asking....just kreative kontrol over their writing and that they get a haircut once in awhile and shop at the gap once in awhile...thats all i ask

- j the b

Anonymous (March 6, 2005)

"whats the point in writing songs longer than 2 minutes if, in the mars volta case, they are tired after a minute thirty?"

Mars Volta suck simply for not letting getting Mr. Bones to produce the album. The songs are too long, theyre tracked all wrong, and there's not one interesting song. If the mofos just let Bones write their album for 'em, they might have at least released a somewhat reputable...release.

it just came out and i rolled with it. i apologize.

stevejonestherealbones (March 6, 2005)

"Most of the comments here just prove why I hate most music fans today. I pity those who can't appreciate one of the few good bands out there today doing something original and exciting. This band urinates all over your emo bands and hardcore bands that don't have enough good ideas to write a song over 2 minutes. If you would just open your minds to the immense possibilities of music, you would appreciate this band. Cheers."

um...yeah, thats great and all...but this is far from original....and even further from exciting....and whats the point in writing songs longer than 2 minutes if, in the mars volta case, they are tired after a minute thirty?

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anonymous (March 6, 2005)

I love to smoke pot and listen to The Mars Volta.

moneenerd (March 6, 2005)

...and THAT, my friends, is more than just pretentious. It's pure arrogance.

moneenerd (March 6, 2005)

"Most of the comments here just prove why I hate most music fans today. I pity those who can't appreciate one of the few good bands out there today doing something original and exciting. This band urinates all over your emo bands and hardcore bands that don't have enough good ideas to write a song over 2 minutes. If you would just open your minds to the immense possibilities of music, you would appreciate this band. Cheers."

My theory has always been, no matter how talented you are, or how much thought and effort you put into making an album, sometimes the only important thing in making good music is having a good ear for it and having great taste, and also being able to bring something different to the mix. Whenever I hear Mars Volta, it always sounds like they're trying way too hard, and that, no matter what crap they puke out and record, they know ppl will buy their records becuz of who they once were (ATDI) and that it's "cool" to like them. They record a few rad riffs, and some technical instrumentation for about 20 minutes on an album, and fill the other 40 minutes with noise and static and whale mating calls becuz they run out of ideas and need some filler. One of their backing members dies, and they exploit it like it's some huge loss in music history in order to get ppl's attentions, but they still don't have the decency to put anybody other than the the big 2 (Omar and Cedric) on any press pix or album inserts.

joeg (March 6, 2005)

"Most of the comments here just prove why I hate most music fans today. I pity those who can't appreciate one of the few good bands out there today doing something original and exciting. This band urinates all over your emo bands and hardcore bands that don't have enough good ideas to write a song over 2 minutes. If you would just open your minds to the immense possibilities of music, you would appreciate this band. Cheers."

I share the sentiment towards mars volta fans such as yourselves. Cheers!

Anonymous (March 6, 2005)

Most of the comments here just prove why I hate most music fans today. I pity those who can't appreciate one of the few good bands out there today doing something original and exciting. This band urinates all over your emo bands and hardcore bands that don't have enough good ideas to write a song over 2 minutes. If you would just open your minds to the immense possibilities of music, you would appreciate this band. Cheers.

Anonymous (March 6, 2005)

These guys used to smoke crack, and you can tell. This album truly sucks.

Anonymous (March 5, 2005)

"I don't know what we're yelling about!... Loud noises!"
My score is for the very cool Anchorman reference that everyone seems to have missed or ignored

Anonymous (March 5, 2005)

Blah Blah Blah....Melt Banana is touring again. Its time to leave your shitty dorm rooms kiddies and see a real band play.

iheartadam (March 5, 2005)

Bumps are still there. Still itchy.

moneenerd (March 5, 2005)

"Just because this isn't enjoyable to you doesn't mean it isn't to everyone...I'm really getting sick of people thinking they right the rules for music and everyone agrees with them. If you don't like Mars Volta don't listen...your loss."

Then why bother reading a review if it isnt gonna sway your purchasing decision anyway? You telling us nay-sayers that youre right and we're wrong is just as bad, if not, exactly the same.

moneenerd (March 5, 2005)

Its more than that dude. Its their style, their album artwork, lyricism, and well, a lot of us think that theyre trying to sound like a new age Pink Floyd. I think if you didnt like Mars Volta, you might agree with me.

And youre talking to a guy who grew up listening to Pink Floyd.

hey_sailor (March 5, 2005)

Oh yeah, stop saying this sounds like Pink Floyd...if you had ever actually listened to a Floyd album you would know that this sounds nothing like them. Sure the Volta is influenced by Pink Floyd's epic scope and maybe a concept here and there, but the music is not remotley similar.

hey_sailor (March 5, 2005)

Just because this isn't enjoyable to you doesn't mean it isn't to everyone...I'm really getting sick of people thinking they right the rules for music and everyone agrees with them. If you don't like Mars Volta don't listen...your loss.

Anonymous (March 5, 2005)

I've always like "pase". As in "Pah-seh"

Anonymous (March 5, 2005)

How do you say Cocaine in spanish?

Anonymous (March 4, 2005)

I think Omar is an amazing artist, but i think in this album(and perhaps a little in the last) its ruined my over intelectualising the music. It comes across really pretentious. And sadly nothing Omar creates will ever be "Heliotrope"

combinement13 (March 4, 2005)

This was one of the first ever albums that i actually went out and bought on the release day. I am not dissapointed it was amazing, and i cannot stop listening to it.

TheHead (March 4, 2005)

I thought De-Loused was a potentially great album spolied by wankery, and songs that had enough ideas to last about 4 or 5 minutes, but were then dragged out to last twice as long.

At this point, I feel that I must mention that the sound of a helicopter's rotor blades is hardly the most captivating thing in the world.

It sounds like this album is full of the same mistakes as the last. Plus, I think The Widow is shit. So, I'm definitely not getting this one. I always thought that the whole point of listening to music was that it was enjoyable; if it's not, then why bother?

Anonymous (March 4, 2005)

Don't believe the HYPE on this one. Their last album blows this one away. This album is way too spastic, expect for the Widow single, for anyone to 'get into'...They should go back on drugs.

moneenerd (March 4, 2005)

no it isnt. its Monee N*E*R*D

threechordsandthetruth (March 4, 2005)

"so we can stop kids from purchasing shit like this that's stealing the limelight away from bands who actually make good music"

yo, your username is 'moneen nerd', so you have no right to call volta (or indeed anyone) shitty.

moneenerd (March 4, 2005)

We come and post often so we can stop kids from purchasing shit like this that's stealing the limelight away from bands who actually make good music, not this pretentious noise pollution that's artsy cuz it has "really long songs".

C'mon, Mars Volta. We get that you really really really like Pink Floyd, but you can stop trying to BE them now.

Anonymous (March 4, 2005)

I doubt I would like the album but I like the artwork.
Not as much as I like Neve Campbell's nipples.

IheartAdam (March 3, 2005)

What are these bumps around my asshole? They itch.

stevejonestherealbones (March 3, 2005)

"What the hell is wrong with you? If you don't like this music, don't fuckin listen to it. You whine endlessly and then throw your elitist bands-i-like-are-better-than-bands-you-like bullshit all the time. They don't want to track songs like you'd prefer. What dicks."

i dont listen to it, because i dont like it...so...did i ever say i listen to this since i didnt like it?

when do i ever pull a "i'm better than you because i like these bands" and then list them? if you think thats what i did in that earlier post, then read it again...it has nothing to do with elitist bands, i was helping that guy find some more good music by listing bands i dont like.

i dont whine

you took that tracking comment way too seriously, out of all the insults, you jump on one about tracking songs...you must be a very dull and boring person.

also, i post so many times, because people like you direct so many comments to me. stop talking to me, i stop talking to you

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anonymous (March 3, 2005)

"Sorry bro, but thats the point of free speech. Plus, thats what these forums are for, to argue, right? "

The 1st Amendment wasn't meant to promote Mr. the Bones to post 5 goddamn comments on one fucking thread.

Argue away.

Anonymous (March 3, 2005)

does anyone actually care about just listening to music anymore?

its what its for right?

listening?

wyzo

moneenerd (March 3, 2005)

"Persoanlly i dont see how any1 can hate this album. Maybe thats just me.

I hate mastadon"

The same reason why you hate Mastodon: some ppl have no idea what they're talking about.

Anonymous (March 3, 2005)

Persoanlly i dont see how any1 can hate this album. Maybe thats just me.

I hate mastadon

Anonymous (March 3, 2005)

I don't see what everyone is complaining about with this cd, it is fantastic. Yes, there is a lot of atmospheric downtime, but the fast spots are full of an intensity and energy that most bands don't match. This is truly intelligent music--the lyrics are take-or-leave, but the music itself has been earning unnecessarily brutal criticism for how good it is. Boundless energy and interesting song structure (let's just leave the ambience alone for a second) is good in my book.

Think of it this way. Remember how much Coheed sucks. Both bands feature stupid song titles, ambience, and high vocals, but this is intelligence (musically mind you) while Coheed blows.

-duped (coherence is for suckers)

moneenerd (March 3, 2005)

"What the hell is wrong with you? If you don't like this music, don't fuckin listen to it. You whine endlessly and then throw your elitist bands-i-like-are-better-than-bands-you-like bullshit all the time. They don't want to track songs like you'd prefer. What dicks."

Sorry bro, but thats the point of free speech. Plus, thats what these forums are for, to argue, right?

By the way, have I said how much this album sucks yet?

Anonymous (March 3, 2005)

"if these guys really were not such full of shit, then they would have tracked it as one song. dont fuckin pretend its all one song when you know damn well its 7. learn from dfl (even though dfl's album wasnt one song, but like 20 tracked as 1)

- jones the bones"

What the hell is wrong with you? If you don't like this music, don't fuckin listen to it. You whine endlessly and then throw your elitist bands-i-like-are-better-than-bands-you-like bullshit all the time. They don't want to track songs like you'd prefer. What dicks.

Anonymous (March 3, 2005)

I don't know what we're yelling about!... Loud noises!

Crookedsuperhero (March 3, 2005)

Uh oh, i better join in.

Bitch bitch bitch, whine whine whine.

Anyhow, this albums pretty good. maybe i'll get into it more.

Bitch Bitch.

swingline (March 3, 2005)

river city rebels make some good tunes. can't hate on the rebels.

stevejonestherealbones (March 3, 2005)

"The more Jones continues to dis this the more I like it. Although, that seems to be the case with almost everything he dislikes. Hes my own personal guide. If he says its wack, its usually quite good and vice versa. Thanks Jones."

so you like...
new found glory
river city rebels
simple plan
new goldfinger
north side kings
and the list goes on

but you hate...
ted leo
mike park
pixies
weezer
your enemies friends
and you get the idea

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anonymous (March 3, 2005)

what the hell is with the derogatory comments?
man you guys are SOOOOO punk rock.

jamespastepunk (March 3, 2005)

bunch of prog-rock wetbacks that should be sent back to mexico to pick tomatos for the white man.

Score is for that ignorant, hateful comment. Go put on your white hood and listen to Skrewdriver, asshole.

Anonymous (March 3, 2005)

The more Jones continues to dis this the more I like it. Although, that seems to be the case with almost everything he dislikes. Hes my own personal guide. If he says its wack, its usually quite good and vice versa. Thanks Jones.

Anonymous (March 3, 2005)

this record is aboslutle shit.

we played it at work the other day and it seemed like everyone was dying for it to be over. an absolute beast of an album with no direction whatsoever, the epitome of masturbatory excess.

1/10

Anonymous (March 3, 2005)

bunch of prog-rock wetbacks that should be sent back to mexico to pick tomatos for the white man.

threechordsandthetruth (March 3, 2005)

they've said they wanted it to all be one track but their label doesn't recognize that as an album, and they still owe them one more. the album isn't even just 5 tracks for the same reason, they had to break the final track apart.

Anonymous (March 3, 2005)

if these guys really were not such full of shit, then they would have tracked it as one song. dont fuckin pretend its all one song when you know damn well its 7. learn from dfl (even though dfl's album wasnt one song, but like 20 tracked as 1)

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anonymous (March 3, 2005)

This guy was probably referring to me, because I said that a prog-punk band influenced by NOFX's The Decline and Refused/Rx Bandits would amazing to hear. My response: Choke fucking sucks balls, I saw them live and paid no attention I was too busy waiting for Mad Caddies getting drunk and smoking weed between Pulley's set. Someone told me to download the new Choke mp3, and I was disgusted!
Its that whole side of music that just turns me off... bands trying to be artsy and not caring about what people think, but bands are entertainers, they don't play for themselves, modern music wouldn't exist without fans.
dude, if you slag choke and praise pink floyd your priorities couldn't be more fucking skewed...you've got it so totally backwards it frightens me...choke is easily one of the top five bands in canada...

Fuzzy (March 3, 2005)

I find it amusing that people talk about "the good old days" of Deloused.... That's all.

Anonymous (March 3, 2005)

Mounds of White Powder.

Anonymous (March 2, 2005)

damnit, i cannot type lyrics to songs at all!

Anonymous (March 2, 2005)

When im on the streets you know i am skating boarding...

moneenerd (March 2, 2005)

"Wait, when and where did Alternative Press ever claim to be "the #1 source for punk/hardcore music?" "

Check out Alt press' tshirts they got for sale, and try and tell me that they'r enot the most lame thing going right now. Their Converge ass-kissing isnt gonna make up for their lack of maturity or credibility.

Benjasaurus (March 2, 2005)

""Bottom line: Cedric and Omar smoked way too much crack and ruined their own music."

according to the alt press article, they recorded this sober"

Well, maybe that's why it sucks then.

Anonymous (March 2, 2005)

this album fucking rages...a bit too much filler noise though...

if you want more awesome music, find out volta's influences and seek it out...if you don't know who Robert Fripp is, you don't know music.

Not-To-Regret (March 2, 2005)

Does anyone have the time of patience to sift through all these comments to validate their own opinions? Not me, but I had to point this out:

"Pss. If you want NOFX influenced Prog rock, listen to Choke. They rock a lot more than you"

This guy was probably referring to me, because I said that a prog-punk band influenced by NOFX's The Decline and Refused/Rx Bandits would amazing to hear. My response: Choke fucking sucks balls, I saw them live and paid no attention I was too busy waiting for Mad Caddies getting drunk and smoking weed between Pulley's set. Someone told me to download the new Choke mp3, and I was disgusted!
Its that whole side of music that just turns me off... bands trying to be artsy and not caring about what people think, but bands are entertainers, they don't play for themselves, modern music wouldn't exist without fans.

PS: If I want crickets chirping i'll listen to Incubus's Morning View, at least they left that shit for the end of the record. Pink floyd is the shit. Many mushroom trips have been enhanced by Pink Floyd and The Decline.

TheMarc (March 2, 2005)

I just bought this for 6 bucks. I like it.

Kenjamin (March 2, 2005)

The kids that work at AP are actually pretty rad and know their shit. Who cares if they put fallout boy and other shit on the cover as long as they are also giving space and recognition to smaller or more deserving bands? They have to sell copies somehow.

threechordsandthetruth (March 2, 2005)

Yeah, TMV quit the drugs when their sound engineer died, look at the video for Inertiatic ESP, it's dedicated to him.

inagreendase (March 2, 2005)

Wait, when and where did Alternative Press ever claim to be "the #1 source for punk/hardcore music?"

moneenerd (March 2, 2005)

two thing:

1) Alt Press is the worst music mag ever. Any mag that claims to be the #1 source for "punk/hardcore music" while having Fall Out Boy on the cover can fuck right off. AAAND they used to have ICP and Marilyn Manson ont heir covers. Yeah, eat it, AP.

2) Mars Volta is over-rated pretentious bullshit. I really can't believe they came from "Deloused", which was a pretty rad disc, to Omar's solo noise puke, to this "we're deep thoughted artists cuz all our songs are over 8 minutes long" piece of garbage. Mars Volta needs to go back to the days of "Deloused" instead of trying to be the new Pink Floyd.

stevejonestherealbones (March 2, 2005)

"Bottom line: Cedric and Omar smoked way too much crack and ruined their own music."

according to the alt press article, they recorded this sober

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anonymous (March 2, 2005)

Just because a band does something experimental or makes a cd "on their own terms" doesn't mean it's good. Quit using that as a defense. It's not.

They're using it as a defense to the educated posts people have been writing about the band themselves, not their music, which is aside from the point altogether.

Like when someone down below called them jackasses for experimenting. Way cool. I wish I could hear their band. Probably way better anyways.

ElVaquero (March 2, 2005)

Sickboi, I can understand the low score for Wake The Dead, it does get a little old after so many listens

Anonymous (March 2, 2005)

i'm pretty sure mars volta had an ep, so that would be three albums, right?

Sparta had an EP as well, Austere, so the score's still even.

- Kirby

Anonymous (March 2, 2005)

Just because a band does something experimental or makes a cd "on their own terms" doesn't mean it's good. Quit using that as a defense. It's not.

sickboi (March 2, 2005)

That website eats a dick. Read the review of the new Comeback Kid album. Granted, I wouldn't give it 10/10, but 4/10?!?!?!?

Retard.

http://www.scenepointblank.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Review s&file=index&req=showcontent&id=379&POSTNUKESID=a6e80f38de4484188 1e0ce7a4a863494

threechordsandthetruth (March 2, 2005)

It's actually funny how many people get so pissed off when this band does anything. a ton of people think that music critics love them, when if you look at, say, pitchfork's reviews of their last 2 records they're really low scoring. it's not punk to hate the mars volta, people.

a second plug, my friends, http://www.scenepointblank.com has my review of this. it's less forgiving than this.

Anonymous (March 2, 2005)

"Frances is lucky he's a mute, he doesn't have to listen to this trash!!!!"

you fucking idiot, mute's can't talk, it's deaf people who can't hear. you fucking dumbass someone should shoot you for being that much of a fucking idiot and sucking at jokes that much.

Anonymous (March 2, 2005)

As a big fan of the Mars Volta, this album is a little disappointing. Still, you have to give them respect for being one of the few bands out there to take risks and experiment.

If you were lucky enough to see the Mars Volta right after their sound guy, Jeremy Ward died, you probably witnessed one of the best live shows you had ever seen. They played De-loused in its entirety, expanding the songs, adding jams, etc. The main problem with that album was it was overproduced as fuck. Live, Cedric's voice sounded human, you could hear the keyboards layering over guitar riffs and it just flat-out rocked.

The main problem with the new album is that its only five songs, one of them being absolutely horrible, i.e. "The Widow", and one of them being absolutely boring, i.e. "Miranda that ghost just isn't holy anymore". That leaves three good tracks, so basically three good melodies ( I guess, the acoustic opener and closer can count as one too, so four). So what we have here, is really an album with four good melodies on it, lasting over an hour. De-loused had eight, condensed into about an hour. In conclusion, Frances the Mute is either boring or bad, or good, but repetitive.

Bottom line: Cedric and Omar smoked way too much crack and ruined their own music.

Anonymous (March 2, 2005)

this is the most overrated band to come along in a very long time.

Anonymous (March 2, 2005)

These guys seem very punk to me: they make the music they want to make without comprimising, they could care less what the trend is and they don't care what anybody thinks about them. Most of the bands people rave about on this site are bands that are trendy, popular and wack.

NachoHat (March 2, 2005)

"Frances is lucky he's a mute, he doesn't have to listen to this trash!!!!"

A swing....and a miss.

Parts of this album are incredible and parts of it almost put me to sleep. As of now, I'd give it either a 6 or 7. It'd probably be a 9 if it was 77 minutes of actual music and not half music, half ambient garbage.

bizzlebrizzle (March 2, 2005)


And me, I think if they wanted to do boring and uninspired, they wouldn't have chosen (as one example) a 30 minute song to do it. Too time consuming, their are quicker ways to be uninspiring, and make more money.

But that wouldn't fit the mold that they've made for themselves.

Wisen up! THIS BAND IS NOT THAT EXPERIMENTAL! THERE'S A FINE LINE BETWEEN EXPERIMENTATION AND JACKASSERY!

adamfromohio (March 2, 2005)

i didnt want to like this record, but im really enjoying it

Anonymous (March 2, 2005)

the score is for mentioning "buck nasty's mommas water dish"..fantastic.

Anonymous (March 2, 2005)

i listened to this record twice last nite, all the way through. and i fucking like it. someone on this topic called the mars volta "the latin rush". good call. good album. pushing boundaries. not "post-punk", not "screamo", not so god damn similar to every other girls pants band...take it or leave it i suppose.
-TOBB

Anonymous (March 2, 2005)

mutes can't talk
they can hear, buddy

Anonymous (March 2, 2005)

Frances is lucky he's a mute, he doesn't have to listen to this trash!!!!

Anonymous (March 2, 2005)

"I'm sorry, I just see through their guise, it's all a bunch of boring uninspired crap. "

You can't really know whether they were inspired or not, eh?

Kind of the thing with inspiration, you can't really know what inspired this record on the band's end of it.

As far as whether it inspires you is different.

And me, I think if they wanted to do boring and uninspired, they wouldn't have chosen (as one example) a 30 minute song to do it. Too time consuming, their are quicker ways to be uninspiring, and make more money.

So its a safe bet they were inspired.

And if you want to be inspired, well, its kind of your thing.

The problem is when a band puts out something even they couldn't have really gotten behind.

I only wish the title track had been included on the CD.

Not as good as comatorium, but has its own strengths.

wyzo

Anonymous (March 2, 2005)

and yet they still rock harder than your band. skrewdriver, i assume?

Anonymous (March 2, 2005)

i wish these hippies would get a hair cut and buy a pair of pants that fit

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anonymous (March 2, 2005)

I love Joan of Arc and Xiu Xiu, and yet The Mars Volta is too inaccessible for me. This stuff is just total meander.

-Chinatown

Benjasaurus (March 2, 2005)

"If I want crickets in my music, I'll listen to Coco Rosie."

Haha... was this a reference to my Bright Eyes review?

Anonymous (March 2, 2005)

I've been a fan since ATDI, through Sparta and now to Mars Volta. Besides being amazingly talented at their individual things, they work amazing together and do things almost noone has done before. Unique voice, unique guitars and sounds. I completely understand that some people can't get into it...not their thing, the voice, whatever but either way to trash talk these guys just isn't right. They deserve as much respect as almost anyone in the industry in my opinion. They've done alot you can't deny it. CD is awesome to me...i fyou don't think so.. fine...but dont rag on them. their just doing their thing.

Anonymous (March 2, 2005)

I'm here because I was linked here and felt like starting crap with a bunch of whiney people.

has nothing to do with being open minded or that if you don't like it youre being closed minded, I am just encouraging that you experience them live without any preconceived notions about what you are going to see. I did NOT say if you didn't like it that you were closed minded, but that you should just listen to the album by itself.
I don't like people who buy music just because it is "TMV" or "green day". People end up buying crap that way and the record companies manage to eek out every last bit of consumer surplus from a brand name while spending the least amount of time and talent producing and writing it.

I dislike when a band can poop on a record and sell it, which is obviously how many of you feel about this album.

I make generalizations because they tend to be true. If you don't like it, don't buy it. That's the great thing about economics. Your voice is heard by your inaction.

-Mil

Anonymous (March 2, 2005)

to add another comment: many of you should go experience TMV at their own headlining show. your opinion will completely change if you experience it with an open mind.

however the counter culture of punk seems to be just as closed minded as the religeous right these days.

Sad the direction our music has taken us.

-Mil

YOU are why I hate Mars Volta. Dumbasses like you who claim that people who aren't fans of Mars Volta are just closed minded.

I'm sorry, I just see through their guise, it's all a bunch of boring uninspired crap.

Hating a band because of their fans isn't the smartest thing to do.

Anonymous (March 2, 2005)

this band is bad and so is this website

Anonymous (March 2, 2005)

jeezy guys, way to abuse the no score option

-tatecore

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

One time this past summer I was listening to "De-Loused" outside in my backyard and I fell asleep during the third song (Keep in mind I was hung over and I'd just gotten into a fight with a junkie). I woke up to find I had a sunburn on my fabulous washboard abs (I can only get away with saying shit like this on a message board...). So in conclusion; I fucking HATE the sun.

bizzlebrizzle (March 1, 2005)

If I want crickets in my music, I'll listen to Coco Rosie.

Ahahaha AMEN!

joeg (March 1, 2005)

"Again, this isn't punk music so of course you all didn't like it. I doubt any of you owns much else besides punk music or any one singular genre in particular."

-Your broad generalizations are right on the money. Now get your ornery bitching ass out of here, your hard on is calling for some more "TMV" stimulation.

"my ATDI comment previously still suffices: they brought many ppl together, but ced and omar left partly to lose the jock rock image. Theirs are one of the few shows where jackasses trying to beat each other up and fight their way to the front are personally escorted out by Cedric. Concerts are for listening, jamming and dancing ; not punching and fighting and crowd surfing"

-We get it. You and your fellow TMV fans are hand holding, peace loving, SPECIAL kids. Now isn't it about time though to start writing some more haikus on myspace?

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

The likelihood that this is boring dribble greatly outways the chance that it's the aural personification of civilization's progress.

-BSD

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

Can we get negative stars?

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

To the guy below a few posts below:

I can see why you think they have a guise, but really, I think you just need to treat this as any other band that people are going to like and not like. Are TMV great musicians? Sure, but some might not need virtuoso talent to keep them listening. Hell, Green Day aren't the best musicians but a fuck load of people like them for writing genuinely good songs. Just drop this shit, fuggit, the album is ok.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

If I want crickets in my music, I'll listen to Coco Rosie.

ElVaquero (March 1, 2005)

I think punk counts for maybe a fifth of what I listen to these days and I still think it's pretty bad.

bizzlebrizzle (March 1, 2005)

to add another comment: many of you should go experience TMV at their own headlining show. your opinion will completely change if you experience it with an open mind.

however the counter culture of punk seems to be just as closed minded as the religeous right these days.

Sad the direction our music has taken us.

-Mil

YOU are why I hate Mars Volta. Dumbasses like you who claim that people who aren't fans of Mars Volta are just closed minded.

I'm sorry, I just see through their guise, it's all a bunch of boring uninspired crap.

Cos (March 1, 2005)

"there seems to be mixed conclusions about this album. Just another reason why music review sites are generally idiotic and filled with opinionated self masturbation instead of information."

Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you here, Mil?

I haven't heard this album, but has anyone checked out their song on the new Handsome Boy Modeling School with The RZA?

ACE.
--Cos

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

to add yet another thing...there seems to be mixed conclusions about this album. Just another reason why music review sites are generally idiotic and filled with opinionated self masturbation instead of information.

If I wanted to listen to a critic jack himself off about how much musical knowledge he has...I'd give Simon from American Idol a handjob.

I prefer to listen to things for myself

-Mil

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

to add another comment: many of you should go experience TMV at their own headlining show. your opinion will completely change if you experience it with an open mind.

however the counter culture of punk seems to be just as closed minded as the religeous right these days.

Sad the direction our music has taken us.

-Mil

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

just to add another comment, I think many of the readers find this album distasteful because they are on a punk site. Naturally, punk fans that I am familiar with seem reluctant to move beyond their fugazi/nofx influenced sounds and denounce anything which doesnt follow the formulaic approximation of lack of interesting or unusual content in their music.

But it's good to see a few people with unusual taste on here as well. Like I said before, as an avid TOOL fan this record really hit the spot at a time when Maynard has been meandering about in his pop influenced APC gig turning out mediocre music and TERRIBLE Lennon covers.

Again, this isn't punk music so of course you all didn't like it. I doubt any of you owns much else besides punk music or any one singular genre in particular.

my ATDI comment previously still suffices: they brought many ppl together, but ced and omar left partly to lose the jock rock image. Theirs are one of the few shows where jackasses trying to beat each other up and fight their way to the front are personally escorted out by Cedric.

Concerts are for listening, jamming and dancing ; not punching and fighting and crowd surfing.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

I've never liked this band and respect Pitchfork quite a bit.

punkcorekid (March 1, 2005)

I never liked this band. While Omar is an amazing guitarist...long-winded, drawn-out, guitar solos with a random verse or chorus here and there just isn't my idea of a good song though.

InnuendoAndOutTheOther (March 1, 2005)

acceptable responses to this album:

I like it, because it's good

I like it, because I just like it

I dislike it, for it's flaws

I dislike it, because it's not my thing

it's ok, but I liked the other one better

it's ok...

I get what they are trying to do and respect them...and I like it; dislike it; think it's ok

or anything similar to those above statements

unacceptable responses:

Pitchfork didn't like it..so it must not be cool

calling the band pretentious...because they make music that they want to make

they're not ATDI

comparing them to Pink Floyd

good day

OverDefined (March 1, 2005)

I don't like it. There's not much actual music. I think long-winded is the word every one is searching for. I say this because I know everything and that's why I still frequent a website devoted to punk music.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

I agree with the guy below me.

Does is seem apparent to anyone else that everybody on this site seems to be jumping on the same bandwagon quicker than ever now? Lousy gangsters....think for yourself.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

Scott Heisel thinks this sucks.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

Overall its a good cd, but the ends of the songs are way too long. They seem to ruin the flow of the songs. 30 seconds of the same sound is enough, but several minutes is overkill. Aside from that flaw in the cd i thought it was great. People seem to let the length kill the cd, but it was not intended to be listened to in a rush, but to just sit back and listen to the whole thing from start to finsh. I give them credit for doing what they want. Music is a form of expression whether you are a major band or not, and they still seem to making music that they want, something missing from too many bands these days. Props to Mars Volta

SOYBOMB (March 1, 2005)

I made the included comment below yesterday night and honestly, I sincerely cannot believe that people actually buy into the fodder that Pitchfork and any other "opinionated" reviewer feeds them - whatever happened to genuinely enjoying something without seeking the approval of your peers in the process?

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While I still enjoy De-loused more than Frances, Pitchfork's reviews are utterly hilarious, especially if you genuinely believe the jargon they ramble on about. Just because a jaded, failed musician claims something is shit in an unnecessarily verbose and contrived manner to appease to his base of self-appeasing assholes who think they can collectively write in an eloquent manner about something as subjective as music of all things, does not mean that you should immediately hop on the bandwagon and trash a band for whatever inane reason you may cite.

Progressive? Pretentious? Who gives a flying fuck on sunday, if it sounds good and holds my interests, then fuck what Pitchfork, "the scene", and what anyone else has to say.

Good day.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

"Most of the people here to too fucking stupid to get this anyway."

Don't confuse bad taste with intelligence, it makes you look dumb.

Benjasaurus (March 1, 2005)

I will never buy a Mars Volta album again. This was a huuuuuuuge disappointment, especially after the mastery of De-Loused. If I want to listen to crickets chirping for five minutes I'll go in my backyard, assholes. I want my 15 bucks back. This album is unlistenable.

bencarter (March 1, 2005)

"But no matter what your feelings for De-Loused, at least the band had a mind to curtail their most capricious jams before they lost all context. Here, they seem hellbent on making an album that's as contiguous as possible, and the result is a homogeneous shitheap of stream-of-consciousness turgidity."

What the fuck does that even mean? I hate you pitchfork, I hate you guys so much.

Woodrow (March 1, 2005)

Being a musician, I can respect what these guys are doing. They made De-Loused with Rick Rubin knowing that he could help them put together an album that would be successful and would give them the power to do an album on their own terms. That is what Frances the Mute is: AN ALBUM ON THEIR OWN TERMS!!! This is an extremely brave thing to do. It takes alot of courage to push the envelope and say fuck you to everyone and write what they feel like writing. If they want 10 minute segues in between songs, so be it. If they want to have the sound of birds chirping for 5 minutes, so be it. If you don't like, don't fucking buy it. Why hate on someone for being themselves? Why not hate on bands for selling out and not being themselves?

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

This is one of the first reviews were I read practically every comment, and still can't decide it I want to spend $5.99 on it or not.
I don't have the first album (heard it, it was alright), but is this album worth $6?

InnuendoAndOutTheOther (March 1, 2005)

ummmm to the person 2 or 3 below me...you had some good points

but no band should ever make music for anyone but themselves...of course a little consideration for your fanbase is due...but music made solely for the consumer is a bad way to look at it

InnuendoAndOutTheOther (March 1, 2005)

"Rush is an extremely talented band. Their music is very complex."

FUCK OFF!!!

that is a quote from SLC Punk...chill out

Bryne (March 1, 2005)

I like it, but it's not a 5 star album.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

I don't know how much I like this until i give it a few more listens but....

The De-loused CD, was creative and boundary breaking. This album is less so, because it is just takes from classic rock for the most part. It also sucks a little more because some of the parts just shouldn't be there. You can tell the difference between thought-out song-writing and just fucking jamming which is clearly the case for a lot of the guitar work in this album. The dude is an awesome guitar player, but when he is just riffing on a whim A. you get more of bluesy classic feel, (since that has been happening since the beginning of the previous century. It's safe to say that has gotten a little tired.) B. He repeats sounds from the last album, which is totally understandable consideriing when you're just jamming you're not going to stop and think oh wait I already did that. But still that makes it less cool for me. C. He doesn't repeat himself, making it harder for the listener to catch on to. D. When you plan shit out there is more thought put into, which usuaslly makes it a lot fucking better. The singing is what seems at this point a lot worse. It still an awesome voice but what the fuck? Its like, give me something I can latch on to, if you're not going to have a message give me some cool melodies. The single is the only song with any structure and vocal hooks, but it's clearly nothing like the rest of the album and made merely to be a single. I love this band and it's members but if you want to make music strictly for yourself, then you can do that in your basement. Without selling it to fans who trust that you to put some fucking thought into it. It's like they just travelled to all these fucking tropical places, and recorded whatever came to their minds. This band rocks. Period. and experimenting is the only way to allow music to evolve, but fuck, musuic from the heart can be thought out as well. I feel like this album was just shit out for no reason. Which doesn't make it bad. It's just a waste of a lot of talent. This album should have had Rick Rubin producing, or anyone besides the fucking guitar player. No producer that wants to make a good album would let Omar get away with that shit. And the fucking interludes are way too fucking long. Like if I want to hear birds chriping for five minutes I'll fucking go down to the park, but thats never going to happen because thats not something I want to hear. especially when I was listening to good music mere moments before. Overall, the music is good but they fucked it up. If, I didn't love their sound from the first album, I probably could never have gotten into this one. but definitelly smoke a bit of weed and you'll understand the Mars Volta a lot better.

PS I am right, and all of you guys are sooooooo wrong. and this band sounds nothing like rush so what the fuck?

Pss. If you want NOFX influenced Prog rock, listen to Choke. They rock a lot more than you.

InnuendoAndOutTheOther (March 1, 2005)

do you people even know what the word pretentious means?

the mars volta is not pretentious, just bad.
pitchforkmedia.com is not pretentiouis, just poorly designed.

pre·ten·tious ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-tnshs)
adj.
Claiming or demanding a position of distinction or merit, especially when unjustified.
Making or marked by an extravagant outward show; ostentatious. See Synonyms at showy.

so you sir are an idot

this review is spot on...another good review by Anchors...the only person on this site who I seemingly agree with time and time again

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

hahaha I love seeing the comments. It is clear this is a punk site because the attention defecit ridden punk fans can't sit still long enough to really get this album.
Luckily mother earth made a plant that can sit your ass down long enough to experience the album.
The album must be experienced not listened to.
I myself choose the substance free method.

I don't see the polarization between Rush and Floyd, being a newer school music fan and primarily interested in classical and jazz, myself.

It also seems some of you are still bitter over the ATDI/TMV/Sparta split which is understandable. We all had aspects of the first that we liked and I think the prog/emo split is sad because it tore apart two fan groups who liked different things and yet found them in the same band.

I miss At The Drive in.

That being said this will join my ellington, carlos santana and tool albums as a journey to be taken contained in a six inch metallic disc.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

I'll definitely take Deloused In the Comatorium over this any day of the week. With that being said - this is a really good record.
L' Via L' Viaquez is an awesome tune and my favorite of the bunch.
Overall, as I'd expect from these guys, a very original offering in the current sea of meaningless, you've heard it a million times before crapass music. Great job!

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

"Rush is an extremely talented band. Their music is very complex."

FUCK OFF!!!

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

fuck these dumb hippies

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

Rush rules. Pink Floyd is hippys making hippy music for hippys. Rush fans could kick Pink Floyd fas asses anyday.

Puerto Rican Rush fans stabbed Johnny Blitz.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

"*Waits for some fuck to say "If you don't like the Mars Volta you don't get them."

"Most of the people here to too fucking stupid to get this anyway. "

ding ding ding, we have a winner.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

Jethro Tull's "Thick as a Brick" is 43 minutes long. My score is for that song.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

"no song should ever exceed one minute and thirty seconds."

You don't deserve to be a fan of any music.

i'm not a fan of any music that goes over a minute and thirty seconds.

irish_joo (March 1, 2005)

this band has got to be one of the most polarizing this site covers

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

Most of the people here to too fucking stupid to get this anyway.

Nice review.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

" Rush gets mocked openly and repeatedly, while anyone who bashes pink floyd needs to get their head out of their ass. At least pink floyd had pop sensibilities and didn't let their musicianship destroy the catchiness. "

Rush had lots of radio airplay. There is much "pop sensibility" in their music.

You should listen to them objectively, instead of taking the mocking as gospel.

sXenester (March 1, 2005)

Does anyone else think they have tiny penises?

Not-To-Regret (March 1, 2005)

Notice how bands and reviews like this spark massive debates. While my Local H review sparked nothing of the sort, just goes to show that simplisitic catchy music is more well recieved than new artsy experimental music... The question is, what will we be listening to in 10 years? Fugazi or NOFX? Probably NOFX, catchy music ages better than this sort of stuff. Technical musicians like Steve Vai and Jeff Beck will only be remembered by guitar gurus... if you wanna write music for that market, thats fine, but you won't be remembered as an influence on popular music. Rush gets mocked openly and repeatedly, while anyone who bashes pink floyd needs to get their head out of their ass. At least pink floyd had pop sensibilities and didn't let their musicianship destroy the catchiness. End rant. Alot of prog music needs to be listened to under the influence of marijuana or other pyschadelic drugs... i'm sure some of you can understand that.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

do you people even know what the word pretentious means?

the mars volta is not pretentious, just bad.
pitchforkmedia.com is not pretentiouis, just poorly designed.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

another forgetable album that will be deleted soon....
I can almost see Omar and Cedric's egos seeping thru my speakers when this cd plays....

lame.....

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

Superb or not, Mars volta is not going to blow up from this album

joeg (March 1, 2005)

don't EVER call my mom educated you fucking asshole.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

all of your moms go to college

paul

jamespastepunk (March 1, 2005)

I'm going to refrain from comment until I've heard a TMV album. Since they're not high on my list, I don't think I'm going to be talking about them.

On the other hand, if I want pretentious music, there's plenty of it out there, and not all of it has 30 minute long songs, evidenced by Converge.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

Good album, hard to tell whether it's better/worse than De-loused tho...

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

I'm afraid this band does nothing for me either. Maybe its too intellectual/weird for my liking.

Joe

Anchors (March 1, 2005)

El Vaq,

I agree with you the majority of the time, but not at all with this. I wasn't all that impressed with De-Loused, I gave it a few listens at first, and pretty much just thought "meh." Then I listened to it a few more times just a few months ago, and was still not as impressed as most people. It had some amazing tracks, but also quite a few that really couldn't grow on me no matter what.

This, though, grabbed me right away. Yeah, it does have a lot of ambient moments that most people see as being unecessary, and Omar's guitar work and use of copious effects peddles as being pretentious ( And like Jesse, I'd like to slug everyone who writes this band/album off as that ) but there's just so much infused here that I've really taken a liking to it. I've grown up a lot in the past two years as far as music appreciation, and being more picky, but I really see this as being a very important, and very influential album.

But hey, can't impress everyone.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

ElVaquero defended Pitchfork Media...ahahahahahahahahahahaha...

Marlon (March 1, 2005)

I'm friend's with the guy on Pitchfork who gave this a 2 and I trust his oppinion on most things but I duno what to think...

ElVaquero (March 1, 2005)

Well, as one of the people who loved that album when it came out but am a little more suspicious now, let me treat you with an explanation...

When TMV first came out, it was something really new for a lot of us that didn't "grow up with prog," so it was a very fresh sound at the time and I do credit them with that a lot. It's also that De-Loused was simply a far-superior album with a better balance of great melodic and cohesive moments than this one. With Frances, a lot of the pretension, noodling, and over-extending is right at the forefront and glaringly obvious/boring. Lastly, I've personally gotten a lot smarter since that album came out, both in writing and music appreciation so I am a lot more skeptical now than I was before. I can see a lot of the kids who are loving this now growing weary like me in a year or two, it's understandable to find the group very impressive at first listen.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

I never sucked this band's dick before and I'm not going to start now.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

i suppose that my real beef with pitchfork is that their "literary" approach usually adds nothing to the review. Why use a Shift-F12 word when a modest one works fine? Hell, I could make a pitchfork review with a thesaurus in hand, but it wouldn't make it any better than one that is easily accessible.

And if anything is masterbatory, it's a reviewer jacking off his $35,000-a-year-junior-writing class words onto a review to make it sound more valid.

-duped

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

No, i never liked them.... At all-oldpunker-

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

like the guy a few posts down said, its amazing, just a couple years ago everybody was down on their knees giving omar and his other afro'ed friend bj's galore. now everybody is taking the switchblade and offing them. you guys are hilarious.

ElVaquero (March 1, 2005)

Well you might have contributed to that by giving this a 10 (and Pitchfork giving it a 2), it really divides the kids. My favorite review was the one from Scene Point Blank (kid posted a link somewhere in these comments). That site's keen.

Anchors (March 1, 2005)

Man, I didn't realize it until this thread, but this is absolutely the most
'love 'em or hate 'em' band I can remember. Worse than the Blood Brothers, even.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

Oh how the times have changed! Just a year and a half ago the comments about this band were almost overwhemingly positive (check it out). Now it seems they are out of trend. Just goes to show you how fickle the public is.

CallingLondon (March 1, 2005)

seems most of you hate this. good. it's probably awesome. go on listening to your boring 2 minute pop songs with screaming mixed in. and to the guy who said they should make "prog" rock influenced by NOFX. what the fuck? i love them, but please go listen to other music. and pink floyd was not "prog" rock, they were pink floyd, and yes they had some "catchy" music. fucking idiot. score's for what i heard of the last volta album.

stevejonestherealbones (March 1, 2005)

and it's time for you to stop commenting 100 times a day, allways with the same complaints about me, you unoriginal hack

- j the b

ElVaquero (March 1, 2005)

Jesse, you have to understand that Pitchfork has a lot of different writers with a lot of different opinions. That's how you explain three somewhat similar Dwarves records getting three completely different scores. The one thing that ties Pitchfork together is that all the writing is pretty intelligent. Sure, some of the writers do go overboard and get really pretentious (and thusly giving the site its bad rep from folks that can't look past that [up the punx]), but a lot of it (like the review for this record) is actually just good honest review writing by and for literary folks. I thought their review of this album was excellent and made some good jabs as well as points. If you don't buy into the whole thing that they're amazing, it all sounds pretty feeble.

Archangel (March 1, 2005)

Wow. He beat me to it.

Archangel (March 1, 2005)

And now he's going to respond with some weak retort we've read a thousand times because people continue to insult him even though it never does anything.

Oh, and he'll call us babies. Over and over and over again.

stevejonestherealbones (March 1, 2005)

"and it's time for you to stop commenting 100 times a day, all saying the same shit, steve jones. at least people's opinions here are usually diverse. you just need to die you unoriginal bastard. i hear your XaNgA calling. run and write another shitty review."

i need to die? unoriginal bastard?

fuck. first if i was so unoriginal, then you wouldnt be posting shit like this about me...either that or there would be a hundred of these posts that you would have to make to all the "unoriginal " people . and saying the same shit? i guess i tell everyone in every thread to stop using the whole atdi comparison...like in the voodoo glow skull news when i told people to quit comparing them to atdi and the elliot smith news items when i tell them to quit comparing him to atdi

you got me...same thing every time...haha...you wish me to die...jesus, you let alot of little things get to you, i'ld go see a counselor before you snap

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

and it's time for you to stop commenting 100 times a day, all saying the same shit, steve jones. at least people's opinions here are usually diverse. you just need to die you unoriginal bastard. i hear your XaNgA calling. run and write another shitty review.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

Don't fuck around, these guys can fucking play their instruments. Jesus my roomate fucking walks around talking about how cool pitchfork is all the fucking time. He likes it cause he learns about "great new bands" there, and "their reviews are so smart". Score is for pitchfork, and the only shitty thing about my roomate.

-costanza
(great album though)

stevejonestherealbones (March 1, 2005)

Can we all please stop commenting about at the drive in...yes we all know how you thought they were the bees knees, and how you think they are greater than this and what not...there is really no need for these comments. its ridiculous.

stop, this is the second shitty volta album, its time for you to stop thinking youre cool cause you like their old band

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

"Amazing album...this is easily some of the best music made in the last 30 years. When you are as good as Omar, you can be as pretentious as you want..."

huh? this is garbage. self indulgent drivel and soupy dreck.

-mark bellhorn

crossdressingmidget (March 1, 2005)

I went to their site and listened to the songs and this is not punk rock? It sounded like Queen, as played by a group of moderately dyslexic space monkeys on LSD.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

"I wish all the Casulties Army members would stop dissing the Mars Volta. God forbid you listen to something slightly different for a change..."

dumbass. we're listening to the unseen now, not the casualties.

----
Nope, we punx is listening to this. its so punx

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

"Amazing album...this is easily some of the best music made in the last 30 years."

Oh shut up. It wasn't good when Pink Floyd did it 30 years ago and it sure as hell isn't any less annoying now.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

bands like the Mars Volta are what punk rock bands were rebelling against in the first place. this is shite.

Anchors (March 1, 2005)

I always confuse Genesis, Foreigner, And Journey.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

dude, ATDI wasn't that important. get over it.

Jesse (March 1, 2005)

Whoa, Genesis? C'mon man. They deserve more credit than Phil Collins comparisons.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

"hey-sailor-, best music in past 30years"-get fuckin real-oldpunker

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

The most pretentious crock of shit since, well, their first record. Rush, Yes, Genesis, Mars Volta...it's all the same. Masturbatory, all-over the-place musical navigations with destinations whatsoever. If you're gonna stretch a song into a 30 min "exploration of color, timbre, and emotion," or some other effete horseshit, say something. Anything.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

Scene from a Mars Volta practice:

Omar: so i'll play this really annoying riff and throw 50 effects pedals on...

Cedric: and i'll sing falsetto and staccato over the top!

Omar: and at 2:15 through the song, we'll switch to the sound of children playing in the street...

Cedric: and i'll sing falsetto and staccato over the top!

hey_sailor (March 1, 2005)

Amazing album...this is easily some of the best music made in the last 30 years. When you are as good as Omar, you can be as pretentious as you want...

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

Joan of Arc > The Mars Volta

trailerparkjesus (March 1, 2005)

Great Fucking Album. and cheap this week, too.. 5.99 at circuit city and 6.99 at best buy and target.

Jesse (March 1, 2005)

Silky JohnsTon. There's a "T" in there.

Jesse (March 1, 2005)

I just read the Pitchfork review, and I basically agree, even though they give De-loused a lot more praise now than they did in the original review of it, which was a bunch of two-bit mockery. The De-loused review read like a Pitchfork reviewer trying to go Buddyhead, but I digress. I found Pitchfork's review of Frances the Mute to be quite straightforwardly honest and chuckle worthy. Sure its chock full of verbiage, but anyone with a high school education should be able to decipher it.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

song by song reviews are for feggitz

daegan (March 1, 2005)

This band hides the fact that they have nothing to say under layers and layers of "complexity".

Ugh.

joeg (March 1, 2005)

"I wish all the Casulties Army members would stop dissing the Mars Volta. God forbid you listen to something slightly different for a change..."

dumbass. we're listening to the unseen now, not the casualties.

Jesse (March 1, 2005)

De-Loused In the Comatorium took me off guard. I didn't know what to expect and I was grabbed by crazy hooks and amazing musicianship. It was a decent blend of experimentalism and catchy hooks. This led to the album being devoured on a full scale and gave it mass appeal. I was in love with the album when it came out.

I haven't listened to it in a long time. Did I get bored with it? Was it just a novelty act for me? I got Frances the Mute months ago, and only listened to it three times and couldn't make it all the way through. I guess I'm just not in the right place for The Mars Volta.

Call them what you want, but just because you don't like a band doesn't mean shit, really. "They're pretentious!" I wish I could slap anyone who says that. So what? Do you think someone is going to be able to make the kind of music they are without being a tad bit pretentious?

If nothing, you have to respect this group for the musicianship. They push boundaries when it comes to technicality. And they're not pandering to an audience. They play what they want to play, and when I saw them live, they didn't even say one thing to the crowd. They just played their music, and that's something I respect more than anything. They achieved their fame somewhat through At The Drive In, but thousands of people generally, honestly, like their music. And they get my respect.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

I wish all the Casulties Army members would stop dissing the Mars Volta. God forbid you listen to something slightly different for a change...

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

Crap-oldpunker-

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

are they pretentious? hell yes

are they fucking rediculous musicians? hell yes

paul

gladimnotemo (March 1, 2005)

I know there was a ban on using "prententious" or whatnot, but honestly folks, the review starts out comparing this band and ATDI to the North/South spilt of the Civil War? What a joke.

bizzlebrizzle (March 1, 2005)

I hate Mars Volta

Imposs1ble (March 1, 2005)

I would probably like it if it wasn't for "Miranda, That Ghost Just Isn't Holy Anymore." What a waste of my time. Other than that the album is pretty decent, but no De-Loused.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

ugh how'd i guess this'd get a perfect score? just cos you're "supposed" to be blown away by this. ugh

threechordsandthetruth (March 1, 2005)

Man, I just reviewed this for my site (http://www.scenepointblank.com) and was gonna post it here. I gave it 7/10. Fuck the haters, it's got some good songs, but too much ambient noise and crappy lyrics.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

At The Drive In >>>>>>> this crap

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

It's gonna get real old listening to you kids suck this band off with your comments.

Mediocre at best. Nothing more.

The_Wang (March 1, 2005)

score is for Shine On You Crazy Diamond pts 1-5

Pink Floyd yo yo

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

does Mars Volta's music remind neone else of the background music from sonic?

ah takes me back.....still good album, can't beat Cedric's vocals.

I can cop the self indulgence, but do they have to publically dicassociate themselves with every At The Drive In fan every chance they get?

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

awesome review. i've read nothing but solid reviews for this album except for that one site, which doesn't really matter, i'll be picking this up today.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

This is the type of album to be either acclaimed or panned. While my personal opinion is to give it neither praise nor criticism, i commend the mars volta for taking a chance. They are attempting to write epics, not just albums. I am not speaking merely in length, but in giving songs stages and taking the listener on a journey through ambience as well as mtv friendly melody. They are challenging the listener to step outside genres and labels and experience something raw and bold. For those reasons, I give the band my utmost respect.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

This band is so bad it hurts. Worst album/band ever.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

Worst band of this century, I hated Pink Floyd, Rush, Yes & now I hate this neo-hippie act. Fucking Boooooorrring!

MarsVolta/ATDI/Sparta=nothing exciting AT ALL!

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

This album bring too many elements to the table to be labeled and dismissed as just one thing or another. Several tracks on this album straight up rock, while there are plenty of well-orchastrated masterpieces. True, some of the transitions are rather slow, but this album is trying to be very epic, and I think it succeeds. I enjoyed hearing Led Zeppelin throughout the last 5 tracks when they're just jammin out. Can you really hate their ambition???

InnuendoAndOutTheOther (March 1, 2005)

While I still enjoy De-loused more than Frances, Pitchfork's reviews are utterly hilarious, especially if you genuinely believe the jargon they ramble on about. Just because a jaded, failed musician claims something is shit in an unnecessarily verbose and contrived manner to appease to his base of self-appeasing assholes who think they can collectively write in an eloquent manner about something as subjective as music of all things, does not mean that you should immediately hop on the bandwagon and trash a band for whatever inane reason you may cite.

Progressive? Pretentious? Who gives a flying fuck on sunday, if it sounds good and holds my interests, then fuck what Pitchfork, "the scene", and what anyone else has to say.

Good day.

^^^you said it best

score is for the above comment and this album...if you don't like it...then whatever, but it def doesn't suck just because you don't like it...note that only applies to some of you

ElVaquero (March 1, 2005)

Pitchfork was right. Damn kids are fallin for this act easy.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

If Pitchfork was really pretentious then they would have scored this album as a 10 and gave it album of the year remarks.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

While I still enjoy De-loused more than Frances, Pitchfork's reviews are utterly hilarious, especially if you genuinely believe the jargon they ramble on about. Just because a jaded, failed musician claims something is shit in an unnecessarily verbose and contrived manner to appease to his base of self-appeasing assholes who think they can collectively write in an eloquent manner about something as subjective as music of all things, does not mean that you should immediately hop on the bandwagon and trash a band for whatever inane reason you may cite.

Progressive? Pretentious? Who gives a flying fuck on sunday, if it sounds good and holds my interests, then fuck what Pitchfork, "the scene", and what anyone else has to say.

Good day.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

*Waits for some fuck to say "If you don't like The Mars Volta you don't get them."

I hate post hardcore with a passion, it just pisses me off that something so overblown, and pretencious shares a history with something so pure. Minor Threat, Black Flag, Agnostic Front, Sick of it All, the Cromags, Gorilla Biscuits, Youth of Today. That shit was/is down to earth, and what these people really feel. It's not hey lets use as big of words as possible, but not have the musical sensibilties or intelligence of Bad Religion, but just say we're being artistic. It's called song structure, you guys aren't talented enough to do it, you're not jazz musicians.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

oops, the post's score was to be this

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

"no song should ever exceed one minute and thirty seconds."

You don't deserve to be a fan of any music.

I'd must agree with Pitchfork's score, this band and album are just excercises in mutual masturbation between the two Latinos. They aren't proving anything and are truly pretentious and self-indulgent. This whole album is for show and nothing more.

Score is for the comment i quoted, the band, the music, and their rabid fans.

Pitchfork gets a four. While they are a little wordy, they are nowhere near pretentious. They intoduced me to my favorite bands last year, and I give them props. How I went this long without knowing who Giant Sand and Calexico were is beyond me.

notfeelingcreative (March 1, 2005)

I commend anyone who can actually listen to an entire mars volta album! I don't like/dislike them, I just can't get through a whole album!

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

seems like a few stars too many.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

The Mars Volta = The Latin Rush

I fucking love it.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

below score is for pink floyd and roxy, this shit derserve a no score

-tatecore

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

Pink Floyd is one of my favorite band for a reason , along with roxy music

-tatecore

Not-To-Regret (March 1, 2005)

Post-hardcore indie screamo influenced by Pink Floyd can be nothing but a debauchery and a travesty. Boo to the direction these kinds of bands are taking music. I've tried Sparta, tried The Mars Volta, and detested them both.

Something interesting to hear would be prog rock punk influenced by the Decline by NOFX mixed with Refused and Rx Bandits. Now that would turn some heads.

Even Pink Floyd had catchy music; it is just so well produced and arranged that it is considered prog rock.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

Rush SUCKS!!!

Prog Rock SUCKS!!!

.... I liked At the Drive-In, though

Big_Guy (March 1, 2005)

MCA is still a record label? I thought they went down the shitter.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

By the way, "Float On" is included on the latest Kidz Bop.

Just horrible. And yet so goddamn funny.

http://www.adamriff.com/downloads/The_Kidz_Bop_Kids-Flo at_On.mp3

-Chinatown

hubitcherkokov (March 1, 2005)

I hate this band.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

They stopped doing drugs before making this album.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

Here is the plan:

I'm gonna get this off soulseek and listen to a couple minutes of it, put it on my ipod thinking I will listen to it but I never will and I will just delete it when my ipod begins to run out of space.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

Respect it, but don't like it.

joeg (March 1, 2005)

i don't like prog rock. never did, never will, even with guys who used to be in at the drive in.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

I read the pitchfork review and agree with the comments below. It's so obnoxious it's almost as if the author was trying to do a parodic spoof of a typical pitchfork review.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

I'm in the Twilight Zone.

-Chinatown

TheOneTrueBill (March 1, 2005)

I was hoping it'd get a negative review

John5MP (March 1, 2005)

I'd rather listen to Racer X. At least the lyrics aren't all just random words on this album.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

Has anyone read the Pitchfork review? God, those guys have their heads so far up their asses--it's amazing that they can rip on this band for being pretentious and self-indulgent when their reviews are a thousand times worse.

-duped

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

Go tigers!!! fusc

Anchors (March 1, 2005)

They had the 3 song Tremulant EP.

If you honestly think this is too similar to De-Loused, you're not really listening to it.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

i'm pretty sure mars volta had an ep, so that would be three albums, right?

plus, this shit sounds exactly the same as teh last fucking album except the songwrting isn't as good

-the other scott

theundergroundscene (March 1, 2005)

this album

SUCKS

pwfanatic (March 1, 2005)

i really tried to like this album. i really did. and i am not sure if it just went over my head or what. but when the mars volta are on, they are fucking amazing. frantic energy like no other. but my biggest beef with the album is how much downtime there is. its manic-depressive at its finest, but i guess listening to 2 minute songs for my whole life has left me impatient.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

pitchfork gave this a two.......

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

no song should ever exceed one minute and thirty seconds.

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

Here it comes....

Anonymous (March 1, 2005)

oh come on anchors...this shit is exactly the same as the first album. this shit blows...anyway, it sucks so much best buy has to sell it at 6.99

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

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