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No Use For A Name: Keep Them ConfusedKeep Them Confused (2005)
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Reviewer Rating: 4.5
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Contributed by: HeinHein
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"Keep Them Confused?" Well, I'm not, as this is another brilliant NUFAN album with 13 songs that each could have been on any of their 5 previous albums on Fat (their New Red Archives late 80's / early 90's period was just from another era, though also great). No wonder they had Ryan Greene turning t.
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"Keep Them Confused?" Well, I'm not, as this is another brilliant NUFAN album with 13 songs that each could have been on any of their 5 previous albums on Fat (their New Red Archives late 80's / early 90's period was just from another era, though also great). No wonder they had Ryan Greene turning the knobs here again; it just belongs in this typical mid-to-late 90's melodic punk haydays category. And although some may want to move along, I couldn't be more happy staying with these catchy, mind-sticking tunes.

You'll get the same amazing melodic flowing songs topped with Tony Sly's brilliant harmonic vocals that we're so familiar with from their more catchy albums Leche Con Carne and Making Friends, while on the other hand they still please the More Betterness-adepts with a bit more of these easy-going, emotive songs. I guess they just continued with the same concept that their previous album Hard Rock Bottom had: mixing songs of both categories, and including some small string-parts, vocal sampling and a lot of pure brilliance in uncomplicated, grasping songwriting. Another constant with a lot of their songs here is the intro they use so smartly, be it vocal or instrumental.

This disc is still fresh in my player, which means that at this very moment my heart goes out to the faster tunes like the first 3 tracks, "Killing Time" and the excellent "Slowly Fading Fast," but speaking out of experience I'm pretty sure it's just a matter of listening to this album for another 50 times before these other, slower tracks will have raised themselves to equal brilliance in my ears. Maybe the biggest surprise to me were the lyrics of some songs on this disc. Sly always managed to write good metaphoric lyrics, and most of these songs are also dealing about relationships and personal feelings and disappointments. But in more recent years there was hardly any rebellion or denouncements in them, while here "Bullets" to me sounds like an anti-religion and "Killing Time" an anti-war song. I like that.

Those looking for changes might be disappointed; I would just have been disappointed if something changed. Refreshing Bay Area sublime melodic punk rock this is, and I'm pretty sure a lot of these song parts will be rotating through my head for the next couple months.

 

 
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NUFANwarrior (April 16, 2009)

Huge fan of their entire catalog but this has to be my favorite!!!

cannsaw (November 30, 2006)

Amazing album, I think No Use have changed their sound so much since Incognito that it's almost impossible to have liked them from the start to now, I think Incognito is alright but they started to really get awesome when they released The Daily Grind, although my favourite album is Making Friends, and although I'd love another album in that style, I'm fine with the style shown on this album.

Falconer (September 5, 2006)

I just can't get in to this one. Still an awesome band, though!

Anonymous (March 19, 2006)

you guys rock.. saw you in philly!

Anonymous (March 11, 2006)

Adam White writes Skrewdriver reviews but Brian is too afraid to post them!

-Will

Anonymous (March 11, 2006)

I lOVE TO SUCK ON NEGROCOCK

ANchorz

Anonymous (March 11, 2006)

dong huffer will is steve cole the bigwig copucar!

Anonymous (March 11, 2006)

terrible band. hang it up losers!!!

-Will

Anonymous (March 1, 2006)

i saw you guys in florida-love the new album..you guys rocked! come back soon..

Anonymous (February 21, 2006)

The Backstreet Boys: A Popular Rock Band
Kimberly Davis, Writing Tutor
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On a last note, the lyrics and music The Backstreet Boys create is a definite reason they are popular. Their music attracts all ages. They sing slow love songs that will touch a couple‚??s hearts. For example, ‚??Anywhere for You‚?Ě is written about a person ready to make sacrifices for the one they love. The chorus is straight forward and touching:

I‚??d go anywhere for you.
Anywhere you asked me to.
I‚??d do anything for you.
Anything you want me to.
Your love as far as I can see.
Is all I‚??m ever gonna need.
There‚??s one thing for sure.
I know it‚??s true.
Baby, I‚??d go anywhere for you.
On the other hand, songs like ‚??Everybody (Backstreets Back)‚?Ě and ‚??Larger than Life‚?Ě are more upbeat. They make a person feel good and want to dance. This type of music is versatile. Disc jockeys play it on easy listening, light rock, and top-40 radio stations; and radio promotion also helps a group become popular.
There are several reasons why The Backstreet Boys have become popular. The manipulation of the media and the wonderful lyrics and music play a large role, but the most important issue is their image. Young people have enough negative distractions in their lives. Peers, advertisements, music, and television programs and commercials all play a part. Therefore, it is nice to find a group that does not participate in a negative image.

Kimberly Davis
Instructor: Jennifer Jordan-Henley

Anonymous (December 22, 2005)

there are so mnany noobs on everquest now, and ya the other day i was chattin with this chick and was like hey wanna come to my dungeion and ill show u my dragon

Anonymous (December 20, 2005)

Pretty pathetic that the old bass player(Steve Paputsis)still continues to check in on this review and promote himself . It must suck for him, given how successful No Use have been and will continue to be. I saw these guys in Denver on Warped. These guys are so cool and down to earth. Their set ruled! I wished they played Part 2 though.

Pretty sure thats not really Steve, you fuckin' dimwit.
They played some of this "soft" new shit when they played here and lemme say...it fucking owned. Sounds as good live as there classic material.

Anonymous (November 21, 2005)

Fuck off you Mexican piece of garbage. If I ever find out who you are, I'll wring your sombrero.

-Chinatown

Anonymous (November 16, 2005)

great album. cant wait for the ep

Anonymous (October 23, 2005)

Awesome album. I'm gay.

Joe Schmoe

Anonymous (September 11, 2005)

I loved it. I don't give a flying sh*t whether it's punk or not. If you don't like things simply because they don't conform to a set of rules established in the 70's that define the genre of punk. None of todays "punk" bands that I've heard sound even remotely like the sex pistols or the clash, or even the misfits, but I don't blast them as being not punk and shouting about how much I hate them for that reason.
Grow up and judge the music on its merits rather than your pre formed ideas of what it should sound like. If you don't like it anyway, that's fine, but people denouncing it as 'not punk' or 'sellout' can screw themselves IMO. Blind loyalty to a cult minority isn't the spirit of punk. The spirit of punk is rebellion, and doing what you want. And I want to listen to NUFAN.
If you liked More Betterness and, to an extent HRB, you ought to love this. It's a masterclass in songwriting, with first class melodies and lyrics. It has more depth than a lot of punk albums around.
10/10 may seem overly generous, but this is probably one of my fave 10 albums of all time, so I don't think full marks is going over the top.

Anonymous (September 8, 2005)

Shoulders with Young Yeller on this one.
Absolutely brilliant CD;"For Fiona" brought tears to my eyes.
I believe that is the name of Tony's daughter;bless her.
I was in the Canary Islands on holiday and this was all a bunch of guys from London were talking about;big Nufans out there;same in London and Madrid of course.
When are you coming to Belfast and Dublin again?that's what I want to know.
Best set of songs yet.
Belfast Jimmy

Anonymous (September 8, 2005)

An amazing, emotional (not to be confused with 'emo') record. And they're not going soft or 'selling out' - they're just getting older. Much like myself, unfortunately... Damn.

But yeah, I own hundreds of punk albums and this is one of my favorites.

Gez

Anonymous (September 8, 2005)

Excellent album, first listen seems kind of slow, but after a few... songs start getting stuck in your head... wich is good. I definitly advise you to go buy this album as soon as possible.

Robin Wellz

Anonymous (September 8, 2005)

I'll admit, my first listen disappointed me. Every NUFAN fan knows that they've been progressing away from the aggressive vocal style that made most of us fall in love with them, and the latest album continues in that direction. It's hard to get past that on first or second listen, especially with some of the slightly stranger songs such as Divine Let Down, but with repeated plays you'll find that the melodies here have never been stronger, the songwriting is still top notch, and there's actually more fast stuff on here I believe than their last album or two. I'm confident that any No Use fan will grow to love this album; it may not be your favorite but it's still classic No Use For A Name.

**Gunner**

Anonymous (September 8, 2005)

NUFAN don't disappoint with this cd.It's one of there best.Keep them confused needs a couple hours in your cd player before you see its true value. best songs are It's tragic,There will be revenge,For Fiona and Check for a pulse.

Sean

Anonymous (September 8, 2005)

I don't know what all the fuss is about with this new record. I think that the people complaining about it are people that are stuck in the past. This is a great musical effort by No Use. This is a very mature album with great lyrics, some very powerful and melodic tunes, and really good bass playing. Some of the record is quite different than previous efforts, but it feels like a natural progression from the last recording they did. The sound quality is great and the songs mean something. Maybe I like it so much because it is a more mature album and I am getting a little older. But then again so is No Use. I have been listening to them for over 14 years and I have enjoyed all of their music so far. I think that anyone who has been into them over the years will really appreciate this album as well.

J.D.

Anonymous (September 5, 2005)

awesome album! i found out about this band at Warped, and within a month had bought all of their albums! this one's my favorite!

sk8er girl

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

Pretty pathetic that the old bass player(Steve Paputsis)still continues to check in on this review and promote himself . It must suck for him, given how successful No Use have been and will continue to be. I saw these guys in Denver on Warped. These guys are so cool and down to earth. Their set ruled! I wished they played Part 2 though.

Anonymous (August 7, 2005)

I'm gay. I'm 33 years old and still play video games.

Steve Papoutsis

Anonymous (August 7, 2005)

An excellent CD from punk rock veterans who have worked their asses off for almost 20 years. I can't wait to see them next week. This CD deserves to get big.

Matt UK

Anonymous (August 1, 2005)

this CD is so good! i bought it at the warped tour after seeing no use for a name outplay hawthorne heights! they're so sincere, unlike most bands people on this site enjoy!

****bianca****

Anonymous (July 13, 2005)

By the way, there will likely be a rarities/comp. songs coming out later this year. This would include No Use's two late-80s seven inches, which are heavily influenced by Black Flag. It should shut up all of you morons who think No Use have only been a pop punk band (and over half the songs on [i]Keep Them Confused[/i] don't even qualify as "pop punk," you salad tossers).

-Chinatown

Anonymous (July 13, 2005)

This album is great. I dunno why it took GreenVandal one month to comment on this. I guess he actually cared enough about No Use to dig up this review and leave a comment. I hope you actually bought the album, FAGGOT.

-Chinatown

Anonymous (July 13, 2005)

This album has really grown on me .. so many songs on this album is stuck in my head..once again, sly continues to write fucking catchy tunes

GreenVandal (July 13, 2005)

Hey. Its a month later (i think) and this shit still sucks. As does this review. And im not gonna grammer check everything I do for you guys. Figure it out.

Fuck off.

Anonymous (June 28, 2005)

this cd rocks.. no use= melodic but energic songs...check for a pulse, black box are my favourite... great feeling on the album.. is not so different that hard rock bottom or more betterness but no use are no use... they really kick ass.. they're the hystory of melodic hc with bad religion nofx and lagwagon.. sly's voice is fuckin' good and full of feeling.. lyrics perfect.. only bad things= not so original......
killing time song become killng green vandal (he's bisexual and his feet smell)

Anonymous (June 27, 2005)

i mean 10 stars.. didnt realize the range was 1-10 :)

Anonymous (June 27, 2005)

I meant 5 stars ..whoops!

Anonymous (June 26, 2005)

I just bought it today! Thanks for the informative review, I agree this album rocks!

Anonymous (June 25, 2005)

PS- I fail at grammar

Sincerely,

Steve Papoutsis

Anonymous (June 25, 2005)

Steve Papoutsis* here. Just stopped by to say thank fuck I saw the writing on the wall and dropped my bass duties for No Use For A Name after 'Leche Con Carne'. Glad to be sitting back and having a good time working for EA Games producing/creating soundtracks, while the ramining old NUFAN guys further cater to the inoffensive/bland highly strung, bass-less pop punk.

Maybe I should stop by Sly's place one day and give him a sorely needed scrapbook of lyrics. Although I'm pretty certain he isn't interested in singing about the DMv/Drugs/War/Record Thieves/Weird old guys/The Daily Grind etc. and another 34097834 songs about girls.

*May not be Steve Papoutsis. But it must be him, you're reading on the internet so it MUST be true!

Anonymous (June 23, 2005)

I think it is brilliant! A true punk rock record by a band that has matured and only gotten better with every recording.

Seymour (June 23, 2005)

How consistent are these guys. Seems to me just about every good band is losing it, but I still love no use (and cliches, they're so useful). I am lapping this up, especially 'There Will Be Revenge.'

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

No Use are getting great reviews..check out this review as well pastepunk.com

Anonymous (June 20, 2005)

How can anyone think that "Black Box," "Apparition," "Bullets," and "Slowly Fading Fast" are filler-average? Paul, listen to those three songs thrice in a row each, then re-post your opinion about this album.

-Chinatown

Anonymous (June 20, 2005)

after a few listens i still think the first 3 songs are amazing, track 4 is very good and the rest of the album is filler-average.

paul

Anonymous (June 19, 2005)

i still love no use...

Anonymous (June 19, 2005)

The only time it's funny to make fun of someone's terrible grammar is when they sound like some conceited jerk who's way too pleased with their psuedo-intellectual posts (Eg. GreenVandal...sorry dude, that's just the kind of person you seem like to me). Other than that though, no one should really give a shit. Honestly this is a "punk" message board, does it really make you feel big to point out mistakes in somone's post? Fuck proper grammar in its stupid ass. (If I happened to use proper grammar in this post, its total coincidence, at this point in time the whole room feels to me like it's spinning). Oh and as for the album, No Use's last good album was More Betterness. If you disagree it means...welll...that you have a different opinion than I do...which I can respect...but people that have different opinions than me tend to be losers...just so you know.

Anonymous (June 17, 2005)

i have also given up hope on NUFAN after listening to this.
uhg...i cant say i was surprised though.

break up already, please.

Anonymous (June 16, 2005)

Nice job asshole.

Oh well, you'll likely have a brand new NUFAN review to destroy in about an hour and a half....

-Chinatown

PuNkChIcKxHoTtOpIc (June 16, 2005)

oH mY GaWdDzZ!!1!

Anonymous (June 16, 2005)

"...and Tony is sexy."

What the fuck does it have to do with the record you clown?

Anonymous (June 16, 2005)

Great fucking album. Awesome poppy/hardcore melodies, cool production, and Tony is sexy.

-nfgrawker

Anonymous (June 16, 2005)

Chloé Jones is DEAD! NOOOOOOOO!

Anonymous (June 16, 2005)

Just got it on Tuesday, so I can't give it a solid evaulation until a couple more listens. I will say that it sounds better then hard rock bottom to me. But I still like leche con carne, making friends, and more betterness better, at least for now. I like the fact that they didn't do a full band version of stunt monkey, that would have been easy filler since the song was on the acoustic split. The instrument tones on this recording are great, but the mastering seems a little unaggressive and overly polished. I really like to tone of the krank guitar amps, but the guitars are a little low in the mix for me. Maybe thats why I like making friends the most.

Anonymous (June 16, 2005)

your reviews blow, the undergroundscene.

Anonymous (June 16, 2005)

fuck shiver, that band sucked. what a waste of time you name dropping asshole.

inagreendase (June 16, 2005)

Uh, did you guys not receive my review or something? Because it's a lot more in-depth (12000 words) than this one

The only NUFAN review of yours in the queue is for the Incognito reissue. So, no, we didn't receive your review apparently.

rkl (June 16, 2005)

i havent heard this album yet, so i cant give any stars or whatever.

but ive never understood why its acceptable to like nufan, but if you enjoy nofx you must be some 13 y/o kid sniffing glue behind the corner market.

Ignitedude (June 16, 2005)

If you likethe Dially Grind, Leche Con Carne, Making Freinds Era NUFAN check out a new band Shiver. www.shiver-music.com

Anonymous (June 16, 2005)

ok so another NUFAN album

i gotta say, its much better than hard rock bottom

it kinda matches more betterness which i love

so wait, you complain when hard rock bottom that old no use is dead...

and now they make a couple of actual punk songs..and now your complaining...stop whining you emo whores

and why are we even talking about grammer...so stfu.

theundergroundscene (June 16, 2005)

"hein is absolutely the worst reviewer on this site"

Heinz can capitalize his sentences and use punctuation, as well as write reviews in a lot more languages than you can.

bahahahah

come on man is that really the best you can do

you must have been really really looking hard for a comeback there, buckaroo

Anonymous (June 16, 2005)

greenvandal you fuckin' moron shut the fuck up.

"so you'd better get outta my sight
before i fuckin smash your face"

Anonymous (June 16, 2005)

Wow what a great record, better than their last two. Best track is "Killing Time" but I love how they call every Bush voter stupid while following it up with a recorded Bushism.

swingline (June 16, 2005)

you best checkity check yourself

Anonymous (June 15, 2005)

Proper grammar has no place on the internet.

OC

Anonymous (June 15, 2005)

Just remember, "your" is possessive. "You're" is the connotation for you are.

Before you judge anyone's writing skills, check yourself first.

it's called a contraction, dipshit.

check yourself.

Anonymous (June 15, 2005)

Track 2 is my fave

Toby_at_Fat (June 15, 2005)

Oooh, Adhesive from Sweden? I like them.

Anonymous (June 15, 2005)

Adhesive and pulley are the only two melodic punk bands i listen to anymore....this is horse shit.

Anonymous (June 15, 2005)

this review makes me lose a lot of faith in punknews reviews

this shit is fucking horrible

-the other scott

Anonymous (June 15, 2005)

Fuck em.

----Travis.

Anonymous (June 15, 2005)

Definitely a major let down, and I wasn't even expecting that much after Hard Rock Bottom. They should just get a full-time Cello player if they're going to continue this kinda stuff.

3 good songs out of 13 = Bad.

- Hayato the Ninja

Anonymous (June 15, 2005)

green vandal has a vagina

Anonymous (June 15, 2005)

Just remember, "your" is possessive. "You're" is the connotation for you are.

Before you judge anyone's writing skills, check yourself first.

Yeah, I'm talking about you, Green Vandal.

c to the b.

JOSH

LastNameT (June 15, 2005)

Average

Vote Mr T www.lastname-t.com

NoUse4aScnName00 (June 15, 2005)

" 13 songs that each could have been on any of their 5 previous albums " is the reason i wont buy this. I liked NUFAN 7 years ago but i dont need another album of the same stuff. Some of us have moved on.

I hope Michael Jackson molests your kid.
-Chinatown

I think youre an asshole Chinaboy but that was great! fucking great!

NoUse4aScnName00 (June 15, 2005)

I don't feel sorry for green vandal....that is the same guy who a while ago once said that new found glory could write circles around alkaline trio

Anonymous (June 15, 2005)

green vandal is that psuedo intellectual that is made fun of on almost every message board on the internet.

corpseofmymotivation (June 15, 2005)

I am shocked, SHOCKED, to see that "NoUse4aScnName00" enjoyed this.

Hahahahahahahahaha.

Anonymous (June 15, 2005)

Bullets and Killing Time are my favorite songs

Anonymous (June 15, 2005)

ok, i've heard the whole thing now...and i'm pretty unimpressed sadly

the first 3 songs are fantastic, all kick ass songs. after that it just kinda meanders about. the back to back anti-war songs are kinda lame...I just can't get into Tony's lyrics when he tackles that subject. I didn't like 'insecurity alert' on the last album and I don't like the ones on here either.

Also the album does seem to be a bit top heavey w/ the slow songs. I mean there are still 4 or 5 classic so-cal skate punk tempo'd songs, but theres 4 or 5 really slow ones too that are kinda boring

its definately not nearly as good as 'more betterness' ...and i'm not even sure I like it as much as 'hard rock bottom' overall.

paul

Anonymous (June 15, 2005)

I am shocked, SHOCKED, to see that "NoUse4aScnName00" enjoyed this.

NoUse4aScnName00 (June 15, 2005)

Great CD!!!

Anchors (June 15, 2005)

This thread is out of control.

Anonymous (June 15, 2005)

I'm a regular on NUFAN's message board and from the way people were talking about this cd on there you'd think it was going to be outstanding. It's actually pretty lame.

I have liked every NUFAN cd they've ever made(well maybe not Incognito) until this one. This cd is just flat out boring. No energy at all. Songs 3 and 4 are pretty good but that's about it. A couple of the other songs are decent.

THIS CD IS NOT CATCHY. I'm a sucker for catchy music and pretty much all of NUFAN's cd's are catchy but this one is not.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

Well said Hein! I agree, this album rules!

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

Just because you're dissapointed in NUFAN's latest effort, does not make it okay to take it out on Green Vandal's writing skills.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

"you cant write" "your missing a pretty crucial piece of the puzzle" "I dont care if your their biggest fan ever" " If your going to try and debunk me" "dont resort to such a tactic" "lets all stop pretending we know what we are talking about"

!GreenVandal! "cant" write.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

Well, all that stuff is real nice Hein....but you cant write. Considering this is a medium that requires a significant amount of skill in writing, your missing a pretty crucial piece of the puzzle. Giving this a near perfect score is....I cant even word it. I dont care if your their biggest fan ever, this is gushing fanboy drivel. Try being subjective for once.

Also, you know about as much about my musical career as I do about your zany adventures in Belgium. If your going to try and debunk me based on my lack of details about your personal life, I suggest you dont resort to such a tactic in return.

Now lets all stop pretending we know what we are talking about and get back to hurling childish insults. Thats the way it should be.

-!GreenVandal!

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

"Green Vandal totally owned by Hein"

Not surprising really, that Green Vandal kid's a tool

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

Green Vandal totally owned by Hein.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

I love this fucking album. Tony's voice is awesome and the drums are amazing! Thanks to No Use for kerping it real

hein (June 14, 2005)

"Also. Get this kid off of staff. He has no fucking idea what hes talking about."

and

"I have, in fact, started my own band! Several hundred times! Over the course of 10 years! And you wanna know what? Ill probably keep starting bands until one decides to stay together for longer then a few months because its FUN and, most importantly, I dont write recycled pro-tooled 90's nostalgia wave riding bullshit wanabe "punk" like NUFAN."

-!GreenVandal!"

You can have your own idea of how a good record should sound, but telling me that I have no idea what I'm talking about is pretty ridiculous if you would know I put this band on stage here in Belgium when they toured Europe with Good Riddance in 1995, probably have seen this band perform live something like 8 times, and happened to get acquainted with their music since they released their early stuff on New Red Archives. Maybe you should start reflecting on the fact that your bands never last longer than a couple months. This probably means that besides yourself, your bandmates don't think it's FUN to be in a band that plays REAL punkmusic nobody's interested in... or maybe it's just because of you being a somewhat harsh person.

Anyway... I said this numerous times... punkmusic has just become one of these genres of music that is so diverse that you can't label any of it as REAL or WANNABE. OK, if I look at it from my late 70's/early 80's point of view, this would be fake. If you look at it in 2005, for me this is genuine classic melodic punkrock, as much as f.e. Simple Plan is punkrock. It's just an opinion, no rules are involved, anyone can have his own ideas about whether something is punk or not to me. Even you...

oh, and I agree New Bomb Turks are a great band. I hope that doesn't bother you. I guess I like both wannabe and real punkbands, I'm so sorry.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

it must suck not being able to write anything new for a decade.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

Im the guy below this is my proper score.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

.....i'm glad no use has not changed

They have changed for the worse. This album is horrid in contrast with Leche Con Carne and Making Freinds. These guys should have given up ages ago. Last good album was More Betterness. And to whoever said about this being 'Skatepunk' what the fuck are you smoking bro? This album sadly sounds like pop punk.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

"Mid 90s skate-melodic punk is much preferable to the current emo/crying/screaming jack-tard shit!"

Well, I do completely agree with that. Actually, im gonna bump up my socre a whole star just because that genre of music exists, and this album isnt a part of it.

Still sucks though.

-!GreenVandal!

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

"ok so you just described punk rock. youre on a punk forum. why the fuck are you wasting you time (and ours) here. why dont you go on and start your own fuckin band..."

If you think I just described ALL punk rock bands with what I just said, you are seriously jaded motherfucker. What is even remotely "punk" about this shit, if that is even a value that can be measured? Whining over speedy to mid tempo pop rock. No thanks. New Bomb Turks. They consistently made different and kickass albums. They are also punk. Wow, who knew it could be done?

And as amazing as this sound, I have, in fact, started my own band! Several hundred times! Over the course of 10 years! And you wanna know what? Ill probably keep starting bands until one decides to stay together for longer then a few months because its FUN and, most importantly, I dont write recycled pro-tooled 90's nostalgia wave riding bullshit wanabe "punk" like NUFAN.

Fuck. Im sorry. I really hate this band. Although there is far worse so I guess I shouldnt be so hard...its just, I will never understand how so much praise could get heaped on this.

-!GreenVandal!

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

This is Tony Sly....i rock and you dont!

Crookedsuperhero (June 14, 2005)

Yeah, what's up with the autoscoring being back?

TheMarc (June 14, 2005)

Why only a 9, Dave?!

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

This is Dave from No Use and on behalf of the band we truly appreciate your continued support and kind words. Thanks

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

I have yet to hear this album but i am sure i will love it as i have been a fan of no use since the beginning and still love so cal melodic punk! So FUCK the rest of you complaining bastards and go listen to your trendy indie music! No use has been staying with the signature sound and thats why i like them...some thing should not change...Why dont you fucks just go listen to modest mouse, killers, my chemical shit..or some other 80s sounding band and shut the fuck up! Oh yeah...fuck off

I agree with this guy.....the band has stayed the same....you may have never liked no use...which if this is the case than your opinion dosnt really mean much....and if your taste in music has changed than dont listen to it...chances are your taste now reflects the whole emo trend that has come about over the last several years.....i'm glad no use has not changed...and there is not some asshole screaming in there songs like all those current jackass bands! Case in point...hawthorn heights/fall out boy....i hate that shit! Mid 90s skate-melodic punk is much preferable to the current emo/crying/screaming jack-tard shit!

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

"So FUCK the rest of you complaining bastards and go listen to your trendy indie music! No use has been staying with the signature sound and thats why i like them...some thing should not change."

No Use has stuck with the same sound? Good call chief.

CrookedSuperhero (June 14, 2005)

"expressing his opinion is a thing. blasting everything that makes a single note, a sport that a love of people seems to adore here, is a whole different thing. I mean, there are way to express a constructive and intelligent negative opinion..."

Err...no. I think this is a band that people wouldn't just blast for the hell of it. There mainstays in the scene, signed to a respectable label and have never 'sold out'.

Most of these people have heard the band and this album and have formed their opinion from that.

(And generally when people blast shit on here there usually right....)

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

"I could say you're a 'douchbag' for expressing your opinion too."

expressing his opinion is a thing. blasting everything that makes a single note, a sport that a love of people seems to adore here, is a whole different thing. I mean, there are way to express a constructive and intelligent negative opinion...

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

I have yet to hear this album but i am sure i will love it as i have been a fan of no use since the beginning and still love so cal melodic punk! So FUCK the rest of you complaining bastards and go listen to your trendy indie music! No use has been staying with the signature sound and thats why i like them...some thing should not change...Why dont you fucks just go listen to modest mouse, killers, my chemical shit..or some other 80s sounding band and shut the fuck up! Oh yeah...fuck off

Crookedsuperhero (June 14, 2005)

"oh, and the new album is incredible btw."

I could say you're a 'douchbag' for expressing your opinion too. Especially when you've just described a very bland and boring album as incredible.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

"ITS THE SAME FUCKING BORING SONGS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. There is nothing to this shit. Its plastic. Nothing funny, nothing revolutionary, nothing catchy, nothing new. Just some whiny jackass singing about absolutely nothing while his bandmates bust out with the same riffs they have been using for over a decade. And those riffs sucked then too by the way."

ok so you just described punk rock. youre on a punk forum. why the fuck are you wasting you time (and ours) here. why dont you go on and start your own fuckin band...

i'll keep repeating it...there are so many douchebag on this site... that's sad cause the website itself is really cool... suckers like you shouldnt be allowed to keep on posting negative comments to forget about how loser they are.

oh, and the new album is incredible btw.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

"For the love of God, get rid of Ryan Greene. Look what it did for Pulley."

i love what ryan greene has done overall, but i gotta agree with you. look what matt hyde did for pulley AND strung out. both bands kicked the shit out of their previous releases when they switched producers.

i've only listened to the first 4 songs on this NUFAN album, so far i like it a lot, but i doubt i'll give it a 9/10 lol

paul

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

Also. Get this kid off of staff. He has no fucking idea what hes talking about.

-!GreenVandal!

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

This band is the epitamy of all that was wrong with that whole 90's cali skate punk scene. ITS THE SAME FUCKING BORING SONGS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. There is nothing to this shit. Its plastic. Nothing funny, nothing revolutionary, nothing catchy, nothing new. Just some whiny jackass singing about absolutely nothing while his bandmates bust out with the same riffs they have been using for over a decade. And those riffs sucked then too by the way.

Garbage.

Please post Chinatowns review so that I can write my 2000 word reply.

-!GreenVandak!

gladimnotemo (June 14, 2005)

One of those Fat/Epitaph bands I didn't waste any time on.

TheMarc (June 14, 2005)

For the love of God, get rid of Ryan Greene. Look what it did for Pulley.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

Wow, another pop rock record! Tony can't sing, it worked during the Leche Con Carne era, but it simply sucks now.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

"Ha, this album is in the top 200 albums over at amazon.com. That's a much better performance than any other Fat bands (with perhaps the exception of Anti-Flag ans NOFX) could ever muster"

The Backstreet Boys new album is in the top 50 albums over at amazon.com. That's a much better performance than NUFAN could ever muster.

... sorry

By the way I prefer "Stop the future" from The Epoxies

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

Could someone review the new Aquabats?

potshotrocker (June 14, 2005)

this album is good, its fuckin silly but its fast and its catchy

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

9 out of 10?!

There's no way this is a 9/10.

Anchors (June 14, 2005)

Chinatown I do seem to you remember ragging on my Mars Volta review for it being, survey says, "way too long."

That was a bit over 1,000 words, and yet you've written 1200 on a sub par NUFAN record? Let's see which album is being talked about 10 years from now. In the meantime, I'd love to see that posted, because chances are people will spend more time talking about hating you than the album itself.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

I'll call him Heinz if I fucking want to you douchebags.

Anyhow, I meant 1200 words. 12000 is a bit too lengthy, even for this great album.

-Chinatown

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

Good sellout album. Way to go, NUFAN. Dicks.

CrookedSuperhero (June 14, 2005)

Get alk3, then murphys, then nothing.

This is not worth buying.

siropsycho (June 14, 2005)

man now i dunno what to buy...i was opting for this over Alk3, Mxpx, Dropkick Murphys, Millencolin

i heard this was good but all the comments are bad...i've always been a huge NUFAN fan though

good thing i have a Best Buy gift certificate

kirbypuckett (June 14, 2005)

Hein is absolutely the worst reviewer on this site

Heinz can capitalize his sentences and use punctuation, as well as write reviews in a lot more languages than you can.

-Chinatown

GREAT KETCHUP TOO!

...I cannot say the same for this record.

- Kirby

CrookedSuperhero (June 14, 2005)

12000 words of utter crap.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

"Mid 90's California Punk will always be #1 in my books"

I agree. But in the actual mid-90s NUFAN seemed more like an also-ran NOFX... they were the An Angle to NOFX's Bright Eyes.

OC

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

Why does Chinatown keep calling the reviewer "Heinz", it says "Hein". Please please please post Chinatown's review, people will that fucking thing apart.

davebrave4 (June 14, 2005)

No Use for a Name is SO BORING!

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

Ha, this album is in the top 200 albums over at amazon.com. That's a much better performance than any other Fat bands (with perhaps the exception of Anti-Flag ans NOFX) could ever muster.

-Chinatown

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

No Use For A Name? More like No Chance Of Writing More Than A Couple Of Good Songs Per Album.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

hein is absolutely the worst reviewer on this site

Heinz can capitalize his sentences and use punctuation, as well as write reviews in a lot more languages than you can.

-Chinatown

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

" 13 songs that each could have been on any of their 5 previous albums " is the reason i wont buy this. I liked NUFAN 7 years ago but i dont need another album of the same stuff. Some of us have moved on.

I hope Michael Jackson molests your kid.

-Chinatown

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

Uh, did you guys not receive my review or something? Because it's a lot more in-depth (12000 words) than this one. Heinz is pretty inaccurate in saying that any of the songs could be on their past 5 Fat releases. That's not really the case. The band has gone on a slightly more indie rock/indie pop oriented direction, adding tons of elements such as violins, drum machines, and synths.

Anyway, this album beats the crap out of anything Fat has released this year. The only punk releases that will match or possibly outdo this one are the Dillinger Four and Avail albums due out later this year.

-Chinatown

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

" 13 songs that each could have been on any of their 5 previous albums " is the reason i wont buy this. I liked NUFAN 7 years ago but i dont need another album of the same stuff. Some of us have moved on.

theundergroundscene (June 14, 2005)

hein is absolutely the worst reviewer on this site

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

hmm, i can't wait to get this today. then again, i thought 'more betterness' was lightyears better than 'leche con carne'

i mean cmon, the lyrics on leche are so cheesey..whats that song about waco texas? 'what about the girls he took advantage of!!!!' god thats stupid. and 'fields of agony' come the fuck on!!! those lyrics are so stupid. even 'justified black eye'...granted thats a classic song, but cmon...its sucha straightforward approach to lyric writing, its boring and stupid. fuck that album really. 'soulmate' is the only good song on it in retrospect.

i'm sure i'll love this, and if its better than hard rock bottom i'll be very very happy. although, i did think that album was good too except for 'angela' and 'dumb reminders' cuz that shit was stupid pop punk ( i like pop punk , but not when its that paint by numbers...)

and tony's voice is sick, protools or not. see them live for proof.

if any of you ever question joey capes vocals, i'll beat you w/ a fuckin blunt object.

paul

Crookedsuperhero (June 14, 2005)

Jeez, are you kidding? This is nowhere near that good.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

Only a couple of good songs on this. If you want more of Making Friends-style No Use, then listen to Much The Same.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

NUFAN interview:
http://skratchmagazine.com/interviews/int-0505-nufan. php

-J

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

I liked More Betterness a lot at the time so I respect them for that.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

"this band invented 'borecore' almost 10 years ago and they're still honing their art."

Borecore? Is that the definition of fast, melodic skatepunk these days?

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

Fairly generic, mostly overproduced.

No worse than the last NUFAN record, really. I think they were attempting to take a step forward but still ended up staying pretty much in place.

-Strewtho- (June 14, 2005)

Only heard it a couple of times, maybe it'll grow on me. it's average, you can listen to it and slightly enjoy it. I liked more betterness but this and HRB just aren't as good.

joeg (June 14, 2005)

never was a fan of mid 90s fat wreck bands and never will be. NUFAN was the worst of em.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

bullshit, im a sucker for all the epifat bands from my youth and probably still give'em more breaks than i should but this album is one big fucking let down, boring as hell. the few fast ones are decent but still lack any balls or heart. the words uninspired and tired come to mind.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

Solid album. The vocals are a little overproduced for my taste, however. Excellent lyrics. Tony is not really known for his lyrical prowess, but I was blown away by the sincerity and vulnerability he showcases on Keep Them Confused. Bullets is awesome, and harkens back to the Making Friends era, with its blistering octave leads. Recommended for old and new fans, alike.

p-fresh (June 14, 2005)

Still no Death By Stereo or Hank Jones reviews?

p.s. What I've heard of this cd was pretty bad.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

Good album, much better than Hard Rock Bottem. Standout tracks include: There Will Be Revenge, Check For a Pulse, and Slowly Fading Fast.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

"If it wasn't for Pro Tools NUFAN would have NO FANS"

You'd have a point, if NUFAN hadn't released a great live album and been consistently awesome every time I've seen them. Sly and Matt Riddle make some of the best harmonies around.

Great review, by the way.

TahoeJeff (June 14, 2005)

I will be picking this up.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

the person below me has it exactly right. fucking. awesome.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

the trendy former no-use fans will always bash anything that isn't indie-rock, grind or metalcore

Mid 90's California Punk will always be #1 in my books

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

This album is perfect. The lyrics, the melodies... amazing.

One of the top albums of the year by far

wannabepunktony (June 14, 2005)

Wow - now this was NOT the score I expected this album to get from someone with the STAFF logo.

"This disc is still fresh in my player, which means..." you should have spent much more time with this before reviewing it. Say what you want of this statement, but NUFAN has been one of my favorite bands for a long time. So, I was dying to get my hands on this for quite awhile now, and I did a couple weeks ago. During it's "still fresh" moments, I was left scratching my head. This CD is as over-produced as the last Goldfinger disc. Sly's voice sounds as if someone asked him to sing like he's in a Simple Plan, high and plastered over with effects. The rest of the band puts in a usual day of work performance, which in the end, really doesn't do anything to the score. It's exactly what you'd expect from NUFAN.

But what does any of that matter if the song writing is good...for the most part, right? That's where my feelings get mixed. There are some solid tracks, but tracks like "For Fiona," "Overdue" and "Divine Let Down" seem like rejects from the last album, remixed b-sides if you will. Even when there are some solid tracks, the way the vocals sound on this whole disc really hurt the overall sound. It's like Sly all of the sudden got self-conscious of his voice and wanted it as "pretty as possible."

Long time fans buy with caution, or at least, depressed expectations. Radio punk kids, you will dig right into this. Haters, you will only hate more. Everyone else, you could get worse, but we all deserve much better from these guys.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

This album is fucking boring.

" ...13 songs that each could have been on any of their 5 previous albums on Fat"

Now could that be because they keep recycling their own shit?

maverick (June 14, 2005)

Total and utter letdown. I've pretty much given up all hope that this band will make a good album ever again, as it's been eight years since the last good one.

-Scott

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

My god whose are these people? Giving this album a 9? This band needs to give it up, then again, surely they're trying to go mainstream with this weak, radio friendly album

hubitcherkokov (June 14, 2005)

No Use has always been a hit or miss band. Their good songs are good, their bad songs are unbelievably bad. If you take their entire catalog and filter out the good songs you'd have one solid release.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

it just isn't very good.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

"Tony Sly's brilliant harmonic vocals"

Punk isn't supposed to be about vocal brilliance, but it astonishes me that people haven't worked out yet that Sly is an inept vocalist: terrible tone, pitch, etc. If it wasn't for Pro Tools NUFAN would have NO FANS.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

Hmm...well it seems the reviewer liked Hard Rock Bottom, so its kinda hard to take it seriously. Hearing some of the songs off of this album and how tame they are sucks because this is one of the first bands that got alot of kids into punk, so I try not to rip them, but my musical tastes have evolved.

Anonymous (June 14, 2005)

this band invented 'borecore' almost 10 years ago and they're still honing their art.
Pass

Josiah (June 14, 2005)

so very good.

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