Finch - Say Hello To Sunshine (Cover Artwork)


Finch: Say Hello To SunshineSay Hello To Sunshine (2005)
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A couple years back, Finch released What It Is To Burn, which sold pretty well due to the single of the same title. I decided to dish out the money on the CD, and it was quite disappointing due to being very generic and repetitive. But, to no surprise, was considered a good CD by many more mainstrea.
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A couple years back, Finch released What It Is To Burn, which sold pretty well due to the single of the same title. I decided to dish out the money on the CD, and it was quite disappointing due to being very generic and repetitive. But, to no surprise, was considered a good CD by many more mainstream magazines. In recent magazine articles, it's even been written that Finch helped establish the screamo scene. This is highly ironic, as there are few screams in that CD, and if they influenced that genre, then there would be no good bands in the screamo genre.

But time to go on with the review. After reading an interview, the band members said they wanted to take Say Hello To Sunshine to a different level, which I thought could be a good thing, if only because they weren't ever really that good. But with little expectations, which is the easiest way to get surprised and like a CD you never thought you would, my expectations where actually quite too high, because this CD is bad. Take that back -- not bad, but very bad.

The opening track on Say Hello To Sunshine is "Insomniatic Meat," and really makes you laugh. The band whose vocalist says he didn't like the shouting on the previous album and wants to get away from that starts their latest CD with a song based around his weak screams. And when "Revelation Song" starts, you realize they did make a change. They made a change into the overfilled generic emo field. They took their music from one level to the next, and they still forgot to bring any musical ability to stand out. Their music is okay at its best parts, but it's still screaming generic. "Brother Bleed Brother" and "Piece Of Mind" sound very similar, and then "Ink" tries to emulate their previous sound and it still doesn't sound really good. The only worthwhile parts of the first five songs carry a little of a Hopesfall A-Types vibe, but they can't even get themselves to sound as good as Hopesfall, and fail to capitalize on that sound.

"Fireflies" has its moments before sinking into its standard boring sound, and then "Hopeless Host" almost gets into a mix of Adema and those nü-metal bands that used to overtake the radio. "Reduced To The Teeth" only continues this nü-metal vibe, but then "A Man Alone" has a strange kind of random music with short screams as vocals that kind of hurts your ears; it is one of the worst songs on the album. "Miro" is another bad song, and "Ravenous" is going back to their old sound that said they wanted to get away from?

"Bitemarks And Bloodstains" has emo written all over, from the song title to the spoken vocals and standard generic emo framework. "The Casket Of Roderic Usher" has a Funeral For A Friend sound and still amazes me as there is more shouting on this album then What It Is To Burn as their singer stated in an article with AP last month that they didn't like the screaming and wanted to avoid it.

"Dreams Of Psilocybin" ends this album in a perfect note. It's a bad song, but it gets an extra point for not being followed by another bad song. Finch have said they want to avoid screaming, but use it more often then previous releases. Finch is really trying to sound like an emo/screamo band, and the problem is they aren't anything special. When you try to make an album in an overcrowded genre and a majority of the music in those genres is either bad or generic, and you can't do anything to stand out except for a single that was on the radio on a previous release and is 3 years old, you know you have problems. There is nothing remarkable about this CD, musically or vocally, and should be avoided like a bad disease.


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bmth-effyes (January 28, 2008)

ahh Finch best band ever :)



: D thankgod they're back together
oh yeah and i obv disagree with the review but blah di blah big deal

strizzmatik (August 3, 2007)

This is easily Finch's best album. And for all you old school fans out there, What It Is To Burn was generic fucking trash that can't hold a candle to the musical and artistic leap these dudes made with this record. And the reviewer? Let's hope he stays far, far away from a Word document or a pen and paper.

Anonymous (July 20, 2007)

i hope you get a vd for your crappy review....wish this band would just get back together

amac12 (October 11, 2006)

Yeah, this CD is not WIITB, but it isn't horrible. At first when I heard this, I was like "Wow, this CD fucking sucks. What happened to FInch?" Well they broke up, but that's different. They tried something new, and I guess you sort of have to appreciate that. What It Is To Burn is probably my favorite album out of any band, ever. Say Hello To Sunshine was disappointing at first, but took some time to get used to. Too bad it was their last release though...it would have been nice to end their legacy with a better final release.

treos (July 29, 2006)

Forgot to rate the album

treos (July 29, 2006)

I hated this cd with passion when i first heard it cuz i was so into Finch's old sound but after a while it totally grew on me. Im way into this cd now Ink is a killer track. Man is this reviewer like 80% retarded or what. Was that english he was speaking in the first few paragraphs i couldnt tell.

VStoriesFallen (May 20, 2006)

Does the reviewer just hate screaming? I mean, that is all he really talks about in this review.

You know what?
I just listened to this cd a few times, and it's quite good.
This review is 100% off on the verge of ridiculous. There's some definitemike patton in here and alot of calculated randomness.
This album sounds nothing like their first one, and they're broken up now so try to listen to this as it's done by a noname band, it's worth that.

Anonymous (April 2, 2006)

Funny how this reviewer seems to think there is more screaming on this album than the previous one...has he ever listened to either?

p.s. "Insomniatic Meat" could hardly be described as built around the screams...the song has two short (1-3 WORDS) screaming parts before it gets to the end of the song which closes with an emotional repeated line to close out.

Anonymous (April 2, 2006)

I think the first paragraph pretty much explains the reviewers bias. They never liked the band to begin with...why would ANYBODY allow them to write a review on something that decided was horrible previous to listening to it?

randomhero323 (March 6, 2006)

this band and review sucks

crazytoledo (January 17, 2006)

News Flash: That wasnt Alex Pappas.


Anonymous (December 20, 2005)

o my fuckin god this reviewer sucks it so bad my dog cud do a beta review!!! and old ALEX PAPPAS made a comment i hope he reads this u suck dick u twat finch are so much better without u

Anonymous (December 7, 2005)

This is the worse written review I have ever read.

Anonymous (November 29, 2005)

Just cuz f Letters to you, Finch's become a Emo band?
This Cd has nothing to do with Emo. It's not as good as What It Is To Burn tho.

Redfire (November 3, 2005)

Nobody here is saying change is bad -- the evolution of a band's sound is what keeps them on top and in their listeners' hearts. But sometimes the change itself is baffling. Where Finch's last album "What It Is To Burn" featured relationships as a template (a trademark of emo), "Say Hello To Sunshine" uses....

Actually, I'm still trying to figure that one out. Not once throughout the album did I connect with the lyrics of an entire song. Granted, I found Nate's one-liners catchy, but the songs themselves are disembodied, rarely relating to another. My best guess would cite drugs as the focus of the album. Many songs detail hallucinations, losing someone to an addiction, etc. The imagery is dark and gothic, yet uninspiring.

My biggest complaint for this album is their new drummer. Finch let go their old drummer so they could find someone with more hardcore aspirations, yet Marc Allen is nowhere close to what a hardcore drummer should sound like. Allen often forgets that the drummer is responsible for the beat of an album, not the rhythm. Many of the songs (I counted six) showcase Allen's ability to tap his snare drum in rhythm with the guitar. However, repetition hinders much of the album because of this.

There are little shades of the former Finch in some songs, most notably in "A Piece of Mind" and "Ink", the most melodic songs on the album. I disagree those who say Finch "built upon" their previous sound with this album. They have moved sidewayds instead of forwards, creating a sound that is neither an evolution or a revolution; just different.

Change is good and inevitable for musicians, music scenes, and general music altogether. But sometimes the changes themselves are steps taken in the wrong direction. To me, this album is a prime example of that sentiment.

crazytoledo (November 2, 2005)

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Anonymous (October 26, 2005)

Damn man, I'm with the guy below, this album was really good. I'm suprise.....no wait i'm not suprised, all of the emo pussies our there hate this. We'll I've got news for you emo pussies, your music fucking sucks. Finch is not emo, emo bands sing about a blue paperbag in the middle of the street and how much that means to them, then they probably cry a little because they ate an all beef hotdog when they thought it was tofu. Fuck I hate vegitarians, just because you dont eat the meat doesn't mean the animals aren't still being killed and eaten. I've taken the liberty of eating three animals for every one that some jerk-off vegan wont eat (credits go to maddox at xmission for the idea) But in all seriousness, i'm sick of you fucking hippies writing reviews. You should know something before you start pumping out reviews, and if you have to rag on the band, just keep it to yourself while you look out the window sadly and listen to dashboard confessionals.
My crap list:
5) Ashley Simpson - she makes Hillary Duff look good
4) Good Charlotte, Simple Plan etc - I can't even comment they make me too angry
3) Losers who write reviews and think that their opinions matter
2) HIppies - Because they are useless, wear rugs, hug trees, and dont shower.
1) Emo

Anonymous (October 26, 2005)

I'm so fucking sick of all the "purist emo/screamo/numetal" whatever it is, fucking fans. Oh look at me, i've loved it since it first came on the scene, that makes me better than you, and have better taste that you. We'll fuck you, I have a blaring musical background from blues to rap to metal, and I happened to love this album, the riffs are intricate and actually take some talent to put together. Also, what the fuck, who gives a shit if they decided to scream more, artists choice, maybe they decided that was the direction they wanted to go in, they are not out here to please the arrogant fans who base their whole existance on being an "oldschool" fan. Its fucking music, take it or not, just dont criticize others for liking it or the band for making it, unless the band happens to be Ashley Simpson or any of that slag. I'm gonna go ahead and tell everyone to stop classifying bands in genre's and then get mad when the band strays, its called growth, bands grow change make different choices they are not YOUR band. If you dont like the bands, dont fucking listen to them, listen to what you like, and stop bitching.

Anonymous (October 6, 2005)

Finch was like my favorite band until this new TERRIBLE cd. It's just fucking awful. I'm still upset that I wasted my time DOWNLOADING the cd. I sent it to my friend who is the one who introduced me to Finch 4 years ago, and he just started laughing at how terrible it was. If you like this cd, you have no musical taste. All I can say is Finch just ruined themselves. Listen to the notes in the songs...how could anyone find that appealing lolllll.

Anonymous (October 2, 2005)

Fuck you haters, finch rocks!

crazytoledo (September 23, 2005)

This album is shit!


Anonymous (September 1, 2005)

Right well, first off, it pisses me right the fuck off when you judge a band by their genre or their name or their last album or the singers fucking hair colour...its wrong.
An album should be judged for what is good and bad about that album and nothing else.
I personally knew of Finch from What It Is To Burn and i liked it to an extent but never got round to buying that album.
So when I was browsing the forthcoming cd releases and saw they were releasing this I thought why not to myself and ordered it not really knowing what to expect!
When I listened to it I thought it was one of the most ambitious albums I had heard in a while, I personally find it to be a cross between mars volta and incubus with some screams chucked in for good measure and that can only be a good thing.
Not only that but I would like to give this band credit because I feel I have discovered my favourite kind of sound and from that I have discovered this site and many other great albums by bands I would have otherwise never heard of.
I guess what I am trying to say is, mainstream or not, good music is good music and if a 'mainstream' band can help you discover other less known bands then I am all for it.
This album is the shit!

Anonymous (August 27, 2005)

How about reviewing Finch without mentioning emo/screamo? I would not call Say Hello To Sunshine emo at all, and i think is is their best album so far. One on the best CDs i own.

Anonymous (August 26, 2005)

You can always tell when a review has been written by an arrogant, elitist shithead when they post comments like "This album sucks and you liking it makes you suck" in their own review.

I hate shitty emo bands as much as the next guy (the first Finch album was an awful piece of over-produced emo-pop crap) but if we don't give those bands the chance to change, then we're just as bad. Finch have made a decent (not amazing) album but it's a massive improvement. The Faith No More influence is perhaps too obvious, but not enough to ruin the album. The songs are complex, heavy, melodic (in a good sense) and exciting. And to complain about the screaming while reviewing a band usually associated with the 'screamo' scene is just plain fucking stupid.

Anyway, I hope if anyone reads this they will realise what a bunch of crap this review is, although I doubt this will change crazytoledo's opinion, since according to his Audioscrobbler acount he's more into Silverstein, Every Time I Die, Trivium and all that other watered-down metalcore shit for guys who have fringes and wear girls' jeans.

Anonymous (August 26, 2005)

On the contrary, I think Say Hello to sunshine is Finch's best album to date. Finch's sound has evolved beyond what it is to burn, and thank god for that. If finch was to stick to its old style, there may be little difference between them and the emo band on the street. Finch's vocals have matured somewhat as well if you listened closely enough. For the reasons cited above, I think saying that this album is not just bad, but really bad, is unfair and at the very least, arbitrary. I call for a motion of no confidence on this reviewer!


Anonymous (August 24, 2005)

Hey everybody!! If you like Finch, check out LoveHateHero's new album, "Just Breathe..." from Ferret Records! It's available online at www.smartpunk.com and in record stores worldwide!!

crazytoledo (August 24, 2005)

This album sucks and you liking it makes you suck.

rainbow-trash (August 23, 2005)

I agree with what that person said like 5 comments down about everything being emo. Like it or not...it's true. GuitarPlayer magazine classified Zakk Wylde as "emo-accoustic" or something to that effect. Emo has become a bit of a misleading name for a specific type of punk but in reality everything is emo.

Who cares anyway? Can't you people either stick to "This is a great album" or "This album totally sucks" instead of argueing about the lamest things?

crazytoledo (August 18, 2005)

few songs are horrible because the vocals are screaming? and you cant understand shit half the time?

I like screaming, I was pointing out how their vocalist said screaming shouldn't be used and how he disliked it and said he was gonna avoid it in an AP article yet there was more screaming then previous.

And I never said the whole album was emo, but some songs are.

Finch's CD sucks and is a terrible piece of music, I didn't like anything, I came in thinking it had to better than their previous effort and if it was slightly better, it could have surprised me and got a high score, but I hated this release.

/ that was me /

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

few songs are horrible because the vocals are screaming? and you cant understand shit half the time?

I like screaming, I was pointing out how their vocalist said screaming shouldn't be used and how he disliked it and said he was gonna avoid it in an AP article yet there was more screaming then previous.

And I never said the whole album was emo, but some songs are.

Finch's CD sucks and is a terrible piece of music, I didn't like anything, I came in thinking it had to better than their previous effort and if it was slightly better, it could have surprised me and got a high score, but I hated this release.

Anonymous (August 15, 2005)

whoever wrote this review has to have no idea what progressive music is, or music in general. emo? emo you say, get real ok maybe there first cd was screamo, but wow this is not even close to emo. and i believe what Nate was talking about when he refered to screaming and singing was more of a refernce to bands like Story of the year and what not. when he screams or scrings its done tastefully. get a clue man!

Anonymous (August 14, 2005)

i dont understand how people are categorizing finch as 'emo' .... dashboard confessional is emo. finch isnt even screamo!!! people say 'wow, this sounds like all the other crap in that genre' finch was out before those other bands like tbs and shit. so to say that finch is copying off of those bands couldnt work. they started before them. and finch really does have their own sound. they throw everything together into one. and i dont belive ive ever heard any other bands that do that alot?? saying finch is like every other radio band? haha. how can you say finch is like hoobistank?! HOLY SHIT! ARE YOU FUCKIGN RETARDED?! hoobistank is rock, finch is finch.

oh and to let you all know. EVERYTHING IS FUCKING EMO! EMO IS FUCKING EMOTIONAL MUSIC. listen to slipknot. thats emotional. its about hate. then you listen to dashboard, and thats emotional- love though.

even shanaia twain or however the fuck you spell her name is emotional!!!! god damn, people, you need to have a fucking open mind for music. if you like punk, so be it. that doesnt mean every other genre sucks. ITS JUST NOT YOUR STYLE!!!

Anonymous (August 14, 2005)

id like to say that you are probably one of the most egotistical fucks ever. you cant judge music on other music. you have to judge it by itself alone. finch has their own sound, theyre not trying to take over a screamo emo type sound. you said that a few songs are horrible because the vocals are screaming? and you cant understand shit half the time? well look at fucking mike patton man, you can hardly understand that guy, but hes fucking amazing. finch has alot of patton influence on the new album, but theyre not trying to sound like any of pattons projects. they incorperate his influece into their music. and they definately arent trying to be mainstream or anything. i dont belive finch sounds anything like any emo/.screamo band ive ever heard. finch has their own sound to them.

maybe you should learn to respect music more before judging shit. have an open mind and listen to EVERYTHING before judging shit.

Anonymous (August 13, 2005)

I completely disagree with this review and the reviewers comments about their last album as well. While this isn't groundbreaking by any means, I think it's a pretty solid album and worth checking out.

Foaming_97 (August 8, 2005)

i bought the cd and i'm slightly dissappointed. My favorite tracks are Ink and Insomniatic Meat. I'm not really gonna judge them yet. I'll be seeing them live in like two weeks so i'll judge them after that

crazytoledo (July 2, 2005)


I had no idea what the fuck you said.


rkl (June 29, 2005)

Finch - Say Hello To Sunshine
Posted by Anonymous on 2005-06-27 01:19:55
My Score:

isn't evergreen terrace all gay......not that there is anything wrong with that its just kinda funny that a homosexual could still contain so much anger.....

lets see. getting fucked with all the time for your sexual preferences, and (possibly) way of speech, as opposed to comin' straight out da suburbs and having your camo shorts tear.

crazytoledo (June 27, 2005)

Maybe you should leave for liking the CD. The Stutterfly and Clit 45 one's are worse but because their are a bunch of dumbasses liking this CD they made a bigger deal about the review. If this was the best review here, youd still be pissing and moaning cause of the 1 star.

Anonymous (June 27, 2005)

Punknews need to kick out a few reviewers from their team, including this moron.

Score is for both the CD and the stupidity of the reviewer...

Anonymous (June 27, 2005)

"I hate myself isn't screamo. If so, explain."

Hmm id say they were but maybe not straight up screamo. Also many people in reviews refer to them as screamo, but it's definatley not in the bullshit "i don't know if i want to be a metalcore or a fake emo band" style, it's hardcore with honest shouting and screaming and laced with proper 80's emo i think a good example of what i'm talking of is the I Hate Myself song at this link below


from the LP "10 Songs"

but if you take a look at their other stuff from a diffrent angle such as "Roof" from the "Two Songs" 7" it's much more dark sounding emotive hardcore but tends to go screamy at the end.

Anyway as i said earlier i hate to call it screamo as it conjurs up images of jocks with skinny t-shirts with hearts images on and ear plugs and a trendy haircut.

Oh yeah earlier on I think i may have misread this, but are you saying rites of spring are screamo? cause they are most definatley emo.

Anonymous (June 27, 2005)

I'm thinking that was his point...

crazytoledo (June 27, 2005)

Finch is at the top of the metal core genre

Download a track from Darkest Hour or even a shitty core band and you'll find that Finch isn't close to metalcore.

Calling Finch the best metal core band is like calling Good Charlotte the best Hardcore Band and Atreyu the best ever Death Metal Band...

Anonymous (June 27, 2005)

isn't evergreen terrace all gay......not that there is anything wrong with that its just kinda funny that a homosexual could still contain so much anger.....Finch is at the top of the metal core genre, maybe next would be story of the year.

---IF Simple Plan ruled the world

Anonymous (June 27, 2005)

stop giving lectures on what screamo is!! Finch is not screamo....they are practically a hard rock group. i would say bands like kaospilot are continuing the screamo legacy also circle takes the square has a somewhat screamo sound but they are much more than that

Anonymous (June 27, 2005)

Score's for Evergreen Terrace, hells yeah.

crazytoledo (June 26, 2005)

Get a good CD like "Sincerity Is An Easy Disguise In This Business" by Evergreen Terrace instead of this shit cake...

md40_07 (June 26, 2005)

This album was amazing. I know Nate Barlow said he was trying to get away from the screamo scene in AP, but I think that Say Hello To Sunshine was much better than What It Is To Burn. What It Is To Burn had 2 good songs (What It Is To Burn, Letters To You) but in Sunshine every song has its high points and is very addicting. I can't take this out of my CD player

Anonymous (June 26, 2005)

Umm yeah, I hate to break your hearts but screamo isn't really around anymore. The only thing I can possibly constitute screamo as would be Funeral diner and like La quiete. I am in comparrison with bands like angel hair, songs of zarathustra and rites of spring.

I hate myself isn't screamo. If so, explain.

crazytoledo (June 25, 2005)

ENGLISH, DO YOU SPEAK IT? Man, if they let this guy do more reviews i'm gonna quit reading the reviews altogether. What a joke.

And on the post above the shit cake of bad grammr, spelling errors, and misplaced wording and shit of the sort, I stated right above I should check what I am writing to see if I didn't make any errors.

I don't spell check half the shit I put on the internet, hence the errors...

Anonymous (June 25, 2005)

mabye try listening to the cd before you review it. Its sounds like you just made up random shit to say about the cd because your to goddamn stupid to be writing reviews anyway.

pacer (June 25, 2005)

Well I better review with more time with the album will be up on my site a week or so after the day it's out as I might add a new review on my site instead of one of my earlier ones.

ENGLISH, DO YOU SPEAK IT? Man, if they let this guy do more reviews i'm gonna quit reading the reviews altogether. What a joke.

Anonymous (June 24, 2005)

you're a moron. This cd is genius.

crazytoledo (June 24, 2005)

word on the street is finch broke up. i sure hope it's true.

They were to ashamed on how much they suck...

bloodbrothersburnpiano (June 24, 2005)

"one of the best screamo bands in my opinion right now is circle takes the square"

i really really hpe you are kidding calling them screamo. they are so much better than that.

word on the street is finch broke up. i sure hope it's true.

crazytoledo (June 24, 2005)

I need to spellcheck my internet typing...

crazytoledo (June 24, 2005)

* Well I'll write a better review*

crazytoledo (June 23, 2005)

You better not be reviewing the new darkest hour record !!! i actually want it reviewed properly and not some retarted kid going "this riff is good", "this is the best riff", "this riff is br00tal" grrrrrr i'm fuckin annoyed now.

Well I better review with more time with the album will be up on my site a week or so after the day it's out as I might add a new review on my site instead of one of my earlier ones. I need to spend more time on the album and that'll help.

let's try and stick to literate writers with at least a 5th grade education for record reviews, whaddya say?

The school sysmes must be fucked up as I have gotten an A every year in English and am an A/B student and have passed all tests I need to graduate (State Graduation Tests) including the areas of Reading and Writing, which I can guarantee that a majority of teenaagers here that go to school can not say that they've accomplished that...

Anonymous (June 23, 2005)

one of the best screamo bands in my opinion right now is circle takes the square

Anonymous (June 23, 2005)

let's try and stick to literate writers with at least a 5th grade education for record reviews, whaddya say?

Anonymous (June 23, 2005)

Emoholocaust? We still need to finish with the Hippie Holocaust.

Anonymous (June 23, 2005)

Worst. Review. Ever.

Almost as bad as the record itself.

Anonymous (June 23, 2005)

The only good "screamo" (and i hate to use that term) band was I Hate Myself on the best label ever that is no idea records


they were doing this shit before it was cool (before 97 i think)or before bands thought they had to be stealing riffs off iron maiden and metallica to make a "screamo" band. Faux metal bands suck.....

Anonymous (June 23, 2005)

Sorry, but whoever reviewed this is completely fucking deaf (and not only because they like Hopesfall). It's fine to dislike Finch's music, but you could have at least formed an opinion that made sense.

I give Finch credit for trying to escape the whole 'screamo' scene, even if it has made them sound like a derivative Faith No More cover band. But surely a second-rate Faith No More is still better than Hopesfall and all of that generic emo shit.

Finch are trying to move away from the pussy emo crybabies who used to like them, so why did someone let a pussy emo crybaby write this review?

rkl (June 23, 2005)

Finch did exactly the opposite from what this review says: sold out. They defined the modern screamo genre,

i hope you get hit by a bus.

Anonymous (June 23, 2005)

Ink sounds like Faith No More, but way less good. But Finch emulating FNM is a lot better than their old shit, even if it's not that good.

By the way, if anyone says that specific track, Ink, is emo or screamo, than I'm going to be really really confused about genres. Because this just sounds like hard rock to me.

Anonymous (June 22, 2005)

g-mouth...you gotta stop talking. dont judge an album until youve listened to it. thats only acceptable for movies like gigli (retro insult...whoa.). and try to stop fucking judging everyone around you because they arent like you. 20 years ago you would have been the weird fuck who looked like a girl. so calm down. the last thing the punk scene needs right now (and i include all bands even related to punk/hxc/indie/screamo/emo/whatever in "punk scene") is for the different factions to start fighting each other. everyone in this scene has enough problems already. everything that was underground becomes mainstream, because people constantly adjust to this. the new wave of hxc could be fueled by anger at emo. dont fight anyone except posers (people who wear ramones and sex pistols shirts who dont even like the music, etc.) and try to unite the punk groups. otherwise were gonna crash and burn. listen to more operation ivy-"unity".

and i dont like finch but this had to be said. if you dont like the band go create music you do like.

Anonymous (June 22, 2005)

Whoever said that Faith No More was an emo/screamo band, please kindly kick yourself in the nuts for me you jack ass!

g-mouth (June 22, 2005)

This album is horrible. I haven't listened to it and I can tell you it's terrible. When will these indie/emo/screamo/hardcore fucks realize that they are basically girls? They have girl hair-cuts, wear make up, wear girl pants and talk more about out beauty techniques than music composition. I'm glad pop/punk has died..thats one plus....and real punk has finally gone back underground after that election. All these little scene kids go around creating rules about being 'scene' and these rules go against punk ideals (no rules, do what you want- great Bad Religion song btw). I wish, oh god i wish, that punknews.org could be filtered....take out all emo/indie/screamo...and make another site and call it emonews.org or call shitcity.org for all i care. fuck fashioncore, fuck rockstars...gimmee good music. kids, we are basically in the 70s right now, everyone is singing these emotional (this time, emotionally generic) songs and thinking they are so artistic or whatever. I'm waiting for a new wave of punk like what happened in the mid-late 70s and the mid-90s. the time is right, cut your hair, put away the mascara, think about naked boobies and be yourself and not model yourself after benji or that ogre in my matchbooks chemical romance.

EMOHOLOCAUST (June 22, 2005)

it's time for an EMOHOLOCAUST!!!!!!!!!!!1

EMOHOLOCAUST (June 22, 2005)

so is this "what is it to burn " now????

Kenjamin (June 22, 2005)

So I saw "SLC Punk" today. Horrible. Score's for that.

Anonymous (June 22, 2005)

You better not be reviewing the new darkest hour record !!! i actually want it reviewed properly and not some retarted kid going "this riff is good", "this is the best riff", "this riff is br00tal" grrrrrr i'm fuckin annoyed now.

Anonymous (June 22, 2005)

Remember when Hardcore was Minor Threat etc, and Emo was Rites Of Spring etc, we'll those days are long gone and now shitty faux metal bands have stolen the term emo, well thanks for that.....MTV must be having a field day right now.

now go here http://www.fourfa.com/ listen to these records...then.....start your band!

and while your at it go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_punk

ps metalcore is not hardcore
metal is not hardcore
grindcore is not hardcore (although grindcore is good)
coporate "metal" Emo is not emo

these kids here need to get a clue http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewTh read&entryID=2369014&groupID=100001422&Mytoken=20050622090615

and yes i am a asshole.

Anonymous (June 22, 2005)

yeah, you seem to have a better understanding of metal core. I do not think emo is your style

crazytoledo (June 22, 2005)

Well if all goes well my next reviews will be the new Darkest Hour relesase and the Lovehatehero review, each are submitted already...

Anonymous (June 22, 2005)

i would understand if this reviewer mentioned Mike Patton in the review as an artist that influenced finch, but the only band he compares them to is funeral for a friend? and other generic emo. You should not be reviewing cds like this cause you have no clue what your talking about....stick to metalcore.

Anonymous (June 22, 2005)

ice-cold said this cd will attract more girls......did you listen to this cd at all? they scream so much more on this cd then wiitb

Anonymous (June 22, 2005)

someone below said this album was poppier than what it is to burn. what the? any album who has a chorus that goes "i miss you, I misss you so" from letters to day cant get any more poppier. There new album has an apocalypes them going and is alot darker then any thing on wiitb. you can not SELL OUT after releasing a song called Letters to You. point made

Anonymous (June 22, 2005)

SHIT review. Album isn't much better. The first track and 'Ink' seemed okay though.

crazytoledo (June 22, 2005)

Even if it was a good review your gonna have 'this emo shit sux' and disses all over that technically could hurt the image of the use base...

pacer (June 22, 2005)

Hey brian, i can understand that you want to lighten the workload a bit, but you should really consider quality controll a little. While letting this horrific review through might save you or one of the other staff a little time, it also gives the site a bad name. A review like this (namely for such well known album) will get a hell of a lot of hits, but this review is less than worthy of anyone's attention.

Anonymous (June 22, 2005)

I hate most emo, but "What it is to butn" happens to be one of my all-time favorite albums. So I couldn't wait for this release to come out. This album has a darker/ heavier (deftones-ish) vibe to it. It's not bad at all compared to all that cliche screamo/emo crap out there today. I give it 4 stars because its actually a good album for a any huge Finch fan, like myself. I'm surprised that everyone seems to dislike it so much

Anonymous (June 22, 2005)

Say hello to my browneye as I wipe my ass with this piece of musical fucking grabage.


Anchors (June 22, 2005)

3 years ago, I really dug that Finch cd, so I listened to it a few days ago to see what I thought of it then. It's honestly not so bad. "Pefection Through Silence," "Grey Matter," and "What It Is To Burn" are some solid jams, and 3 years later are still better than any of the Matchbook Romance/The Used/Senses Fail bullshit to come out since.'

That said, I probably won't ever listen to this cd, I just can't see it as being something I'll enjoy.

Anonymous (June 22, 2005)

man the reviews on this site dont stop dissappointing. Sure, this CD was not that good but you fail to at least mention that theyre at least giving it there freeking all to break out of the normal poppy punk screamo schmeemo mould that they forced into with WIITB(im so over that cd though). They set out to sound different, which they managed. If you dont like it, dont go ripping them to bits and then start comparing them to bands theyre "trying" to be. Thats fucking ridiculous. DONT COMPARE BANDS. Take them for what they are OUTSIDE the whole scene pit. This review would immediately have been more credible.

ice-cold (June 21, 2005)

Well I've heard this album and I have to agree with the reviewer. I wouldn't say they made a wise move by losing the screaming... sure they might not of lost the actual screaming but they definately lost any small amount of intensity they had, and made a move to a more poppier sound. Maybe they're trying to pick up little girls, who knows. I think they had more hope with their original sound. While a lot of the songs on What It Is To Burn are weak, Three Simple Words is a great track.

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

I don't really have a beef with this album for the same reasons the reviewer does. I feel like they try to rip off people on this album so blatantly you can't help but feel guilty for liking it at times. The singer blatantly rips off Mike Patton at many points during this album and the rest of the band is always trying to add a Mars Volta element into the songs. I don't mind bands being influenced but blatantly attempting to copy others sound is just LAME.

crazytoledo (June 21, 2005)

Clit 45 review is worse than this one...

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

worst. review. ever.

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

On a positive note to the reviewer, this was a tiny improvement on his As I Lay Dying review which was the worst I'd ever read. He now has the accolade of second worst review I've read. Like I say, kudos to the reviewer for this significant step forward.

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

Grey matter was a good song matter of fact it was the reason I got what it is to burn, a bit of a let down, BUT unlike most of you guys I went and gave this a chance and streamed it on some AOL shit thing. All the songs kinda flowed into eachother and all sounded horride.

stevejonestherealbones (June 21, 2005)


- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

"??Bitemarks And Bloodstains? has emo written all over, from the song title to the spoken vocals and standard generic emo framework."

do you even know what emo is? this song sounds like a hard rock song, nothing really emo at ALL about it. Is it emo because he is singing or something i dont understand.

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

I think the lead singer has a decent screaming voice and it is very similar to glassjaws. I really dont see how it would be weak, cause technically all screaming is just ripping up your vocal chords.

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

this reviewer is a douche....this album isn't great but does this guy have any clue what he is talking about. does funeral for a friend even scream anymore?

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

well for one everyone has their own view about what is good, so im not going to winge on about other peoples views i dont agree with.personally, yea this album is different, way different.but that is a good thing, it did take me a good few listens to really appreciate it. but now i have, i really like it.sure its not what it is to burn, but everyone needs a change. the artwork is fantastic!

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

I remember seeing them live a few years ago, and they screamed their entire first album, and I thought that was cool because it sounded good.

skaboom (June 21, 2005)

Way to go ripping off LTJ's Anthem artwork.

aubin (June 21, 2005)

I wasn't that impressed with their last album, but found myself enjoying this one. They've dropped most of the generic emo/metal affectations and are actually quite listenable for most of the album. There is certainly a gigantic Faith No More/Mike Patton influence, and it's actually serving them quite well.

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

" It??s a bad song, but it gets an extra point for not being followed by another bad song."

HA! Score's for that comment, reviewer. Nice work.

Nietzsche (June 21, 2005)

This thing is so bad.

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

The cd is no where as a bad as he says, but thats just his oppinion. I dont here really here any emo in any of these songs, its more like hard rock. And that casket for roderick usher songs sounds NOTHING like funeral for a friend. Wow, name one funeral songs that sounds anything like that, its sounds like dillinger escape plan but a little less technical. You have your oppinion but that was a really bad written review. This album is alot more technical than anything off of what it is to burn. This album is alot more inaccessible than there first cd so i would hardly call them sell outs.

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

i like finch, by that i mean i like to blow my load on finch

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

I read that the progression from their last album to this is equivalent to what Faith No More did going from 'The Real Thing' to 'Angel Dust'.

I therefore assume I was mislead.

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

I don't get all the bitching about the review. It's certainly miles ahead of the Clit 45 review and gives some sense of what a listener should expect.


crazytoledo (June 21, 2005)

First off, Brian has the same as me, but I have a Y.


You were born with it. Don't blame yourself.

Wow insulting someone because they wrote a bad reivew. So if a band makes a bad song or a writer writes a shitty movie script, there retareded to. So like 95% of the world is retarded and born like that? Just cause you don't like it and it might suck, doesn't mean you should insult the reviewer with a , "you must be retarded," say what you hate so someone can improve on what they do wrong. Ok? Or maybe your just describing yourself because if all you can do is say "your retarded," then that's just pathetic.

Kenjamin (June 21, 2005)

This site is really popular now. Maybe you could post more reviews a week? Sundays could be "old record throwback day" where you post 5 records that came out 5 or more years before.

Kenjamin (June 21, 2005)

Considering the fact you don't me and for all you know I could write a shit ass review because I don't want to waste my time on a shit ass CD

You were born with it. Don't blame yourself.

inagreendase (June 21, 2005)

you know Brian, you don't have to run every review you get

You're right, as there's another 129 reviews in the queue I could've chosen from. But when people happen to submit reviews of CDs I had planned on reviewing (a list of which is currently at 14), there's a good chance I'm going to post it so my workload is a bit lighter.

sweetsugarpezz (June 21, 2005)

when i heard this, i thought it was incubus (with a few grunts in there.)

with that in mind, i like incubus (dirty guilty pleasure) but this is weak.

crazytoledo (June 21, 2005)

Hopesfall are a good band...

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

Let me first state the obvious, this review is totally dumb. While I don't love the new album, it is much better than What It Is which had some of the most overt sell-out pop on it ever. With this release, they try to establish their own style, albeit, not unique by anyone's imagination. I would rather see them try to form their own sound then have their pop track, their screamo track, and their punk tracks. Musically this album is ten times better than their last. There is a heavy Counterfit influence now that this guy is in the band. I think that Finch will continue to get better and do their own thing like Hopesfall. Did you hear how different than their last two albums were?

crazytoledo (June 21, 2005)

most of us would not write like we were born with down syndrome.

Wow, nice insult. Considering the fact you don't me and for all you know I could write a shit ass review because I don't want to waste my time on a shit ass CD because I have better things to do, but I didn't want some fan boy to give a bad CD a good score...

crazytoledo (June 21, 2005)

Also, ff your gonna listen to some softer shit, listen to some Post Hardcore or Screamo before succombing to emo.

P.S. Editing comments would make things much easier...

crazytoledo (June 21, 2005)

The review wasn't all too bad in some parts. It's just that I went after every song and didn't have much to say as well. It's just bad...

crazytoledo (June 21, 2005)

Rofl. I can write and I don't really try to prove myself when the only people who are gonna care are some emo fags that get pissed that I don't like the band that sounds like every other band in the genre...

Kenjamin (June 21, 2005)

you know Brian, you don't have to run every review you get. Christ this review is comparable to a 6th grade book review. What's worse is that the reviewer says something along the lines of, "hahaha of course it sucks, I didn't try and wrote this in boredome land." Yes, that is not the ideal mentality or setting for good writing but jesus, most of us would not write like we were born with down syndrome.

fallingupwards84 (June 21, 2005)

as someone in the news section previously stated:

Say Hello To Shit

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

no, godsmack fought story of the year. disturbed fought these dudes, and i believe i heard finch won? who cares.

and yes, these guys did shoot for a level of songwriting sophistication they have not yet reached. good effort though


Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

whiny emo homos. didnt they get beat up by godmsack or someone a few months back? they should have finished the job.

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

The CD smells, from what I've heard of it. Not only does it sound horrendously generic, but on top of that you can cleary tell the band is trying to emulate a level of maturity they have clearly, not yet reached.

crazytoledo (June 21, 2005)

Of course my review sucks, I didn't try on it and did it in boredom land, but hey, it doesn't suck as much as the CD does.

And a side note, I did listen to every song of this crap fest.

I was wondering if it could be a good album because the album art was nice but it did suck and was worse than "What It Is To Burn"

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

score is for the cover art.

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

eh, i prefered their old style, but i appreciate the fact that they recognize their previous style of music has been copped and watered down by so many bands over the past 3 years. I thought 'what it is to burn' was an excellent release from start to finish. this album lacks the hooks and sounds like they reached a little too far....listening to a lot of dillenger, deftones, mars volta, atdi, glassjaw and faith no more from the sound of it. I like it, its cool enough, but was it worth the long ass wait? no. does it live up to the debut in terms of immediate impact on the listener as something new and special? no. did they consciously decide to evolver their sound and abandon their previous pop sensibilites and soaring chorus's? yes. oh well. its average.


Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

Not an amazing album, I consider myself a Finch fan as I am a big drive thru records fan (shock horror) and enjoyed their old e.p and l.p but how can this cd be considered a sell out?? I havnt found a "letters to you" or "what it is to burn", all I found was a few stand out songs and the most boring filler I have heard. Im gonna give it another chance but jesus that single sucks. They should stop getting tatoos and consentrate on making better music.

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

completly unlistenable

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

This does sound a lot like those horrible radio rock bands like Hoobastank, Incubus, Adema, Chevelle, etc.

Total disappointment.

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

hahah wtf, i don't even liek finch but this review is terrible.

listen to "the casket of roderick usher", do you really think it has a funeral for a friend sound? The song IS a fucking blood brothers song, it's obvious plagiarism.

theundergroundscene (June 21, 2005)

lol man you are a terrible reviewer

TheMarc (June 21, 2005)

Not a good review for just an okay album.

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

Finch did exactly the opposite from what this review says: sold out. They defined the modern screamo genre, then they switched it up for album #2. We didn't need another screamo finch album. Also, I'm super glad the album wasn't generic metalcore. I didn't like it upon the first listen, but it has grown on me. Very good album.

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

This is one of the worst reviews I`ve ever read ... rethink you genre definitions, don`t make up your miind before hearing a disc and improve your fucking writing skills man ... some parts of your review are repeated more often than lyrics in a TBS song ;-) ... I alos didn`t like this album on first listen, but it grows on you and is nowhere near shit! I hated the demos and gave this a chance and believe me, you`re rewarded for listening to this a couple of times ... never as good as Glassjaw, but musically somewhere near!!!

threechordsandthetruth (June 21, 2005)

Awful band, but I like the cover art.

wannabepunktony (June 21, 2005)

From someone who found their first EP and LP to have some decent songs, this new CD is fucking awful. They should have titled this CD: Say Hello to Sellin' Out. Then again, I am not even sure the mall punks will enjoy this. This shit sucks for anyone to listen to, fan or not alike.

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

Glad to see these fuckers are miserable without me.Muahaha.

-Alex Pappas-
(Anybody need a drummer?Come on,I'll suck yo dick)

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

There can be no Finch without me.

-Alex Pappas-

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

There can be no Finch without me.

-Alex Pappas-

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

As you probably already know, I, Jesse Carrington Raub, am male. This does not mean that I did not yearn for the invention of a female urinal. In fact, I have consistently voted for the female urinal each year in the "Most Needed Inventions for Next Year" poll run by my schnauzer, Schnitzel Face. See, I enjoy the company of females greatly. One of my favorite activities is to take long Sunday drives with the lady of the moment in my tricked out Chevy Malibu. We sing songs along with the radio and share flutes of sparkling cider (don't drink and drive, kids!). Inevitably, this leads both of us to a powerful desire to urinate. I usually pull to the side of the road and discretely relieve myself against a tree, but most ladies I have been with have not been able to accomplish the same. In fact, at least two ladies have soiled their clothing after an ill-executed attempt to crouch in the bushes. A female urinal is a fantastic solution to this problem! Since buying this one, my lady friends have been able to relieve themselves in the car and simply toss the contents out the window of the moving vehicle! And men can use it too! I have found that we only need to stop the car about one fourth as often now that I have a female urinal in my glove compartment. The retail box is also a nice touch.

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

this album is pretty bad. they tried to change up their sound and come off sounding like a poors mans DEP (sans creativity and talent, of course). however, your review was even worse. to be honest i definitley thought it was funny, but this isn't open-mic night at some lame comedy club. try to be more objective next time, and maybe even listen to the album you're reviewing.

joeg (June 21, 2005)

hahahaha. PLEASE do more reviews of bad albums. seriously.

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

wow this guy has no fucking idea of what his talking about, retarded coments like "this is emo" "this is mega emo" "this sucks" "they keep screaming after previously stating they wouldn't" "they keep screaming after previously stating they wouldn't redux" "they keep screaming after previously stating they wouldn't for the third time" doesn't tell me anything, please stop reviewing or try to do a better job next time by focusing on the lyrical and musical contents of the album, be objective you moron, this review is completely abysmal

swingline (June 21, 2005)

i'd like a mest style review for this record.

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

that was the worst fucking review. i hate the album too, but you couldve done a LITTLE better than. track 1 sucks... track 2 also sucks, track 3 is emo and sucks.

lets step it up a little next time bud.

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

this review made me laugh.. but seriously. can we get a review of this album written by someone who hadn't made up their mind before even popping in the disc?

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

"Finch is really trying to sound like an emo/screamo band, and the problem is they aren??t anything special"

Right. because Mike Patton and Faith No More's music was emo/screamo. You really need to sit down and listen to what Finch is doing and what Mike Patton is doing/done. There's more parallels there than trying to compare this band to a band like Thursday, Hawthorne Heights or anybody else in the current emo/screamo scene.

What an awful review.

fatbrendan (June 21, 2005)

yet another "screamo" band trying to be Hoobastank.

the other being Yesterday's Rising.

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

i have no idea why, but i liked this review. finch can suck a fat dick though.

fallingupwards84 (June 21, 2005)

i hate this band

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

"It??s a bad song, but it gets an extra point for not being followed by another bad song."


inagreendase (June 21, 2005)

I've only listened to it once, but they're definitely leaning a bit heavier on Faith No More / Dillinger territory than Glassjaw, and it didn't sound that bad..

Anonymous (June 21, 2005)

Finch is horrible.

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