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A Wilhelm Scream

A Wilhelm Scream: RuinerRuiner (2005)
Nitro Records

Reviewer Rating: 4.5
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Lately, more and more bands are falling victim to something which is ranked near the very top of "things bands don't want to hear," right next to the term "sellout:" the sophomore slump. Yes, the dreaded fact that your favorite band's second album is chock full of monotony or a desperate-to-make-mon.
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Lately, more and more bands are falling victim to something which is ranked near the very top of "things bands don't want to hear," right next to the term "sellout:" the sophomore slump. Yes, the dreaded fact that your favorite band's second album is chock full of monotony or a desperate-to-make-money change in sound is one of the most disappointing and depressing things that could happen to a band that released a rather stellar debut album. It seems as if bands in all genres are having a hard time capitalizing on the success of their first album as of late: Motion City Soundtrack, As I Lay Dying, and the All-American Rejects are prime examples. However (and each year we see an example of this), there is a saving grace, a band which completely goes against the norm to just deliver. This year, it's A Wilhelm Scream and their excellent second full-length, Ruiner.

Remember when Strung Out tried to play metallic and technical punk rock, but ultimately failed? Imagine if Strung Out had succeeded at the genre crossover, and you'd have a good idea of how A Wilhelm Scream sounds. The band's sound and talent comes at you from all directions; the vocals, guitars, bass, and drumming are all in a league of their own as far as the punk rock genre is concerned. It's hard to pick out an aspect of A Wilhelm Scream's sound that towers above the others, since everything is pretty much top-notch. However, upon listening to the album straight through, one will notice that what saves an otherwise less-than-stellar song from complete disaster are the vocal harmonies and deliveries: Songs like "In Vino Veritas II" and "Mercy Day For Mister Vengeance" deliver a bit less in the musical department than the more amazing songs on Ruiner, but you cannot help but want to listen to them if only to hear how well lead vocalist Nuno Pereira and backup vocalists Trevor Reilly and Curtiss Lopez sound together. The harmonization between the three voices is impeccable, and will draw you in and make you want to listen over and over again. Ruiner is, hands down, one of the most vocally sound albums I've heard in a long while.

That's not to downplay the musicianship, though. Ruiner is technical as hell, and the band can start and stop and switch tempos on a dime. Many of the tracks found on the album are speedy, rapid-fire songs, but as a change of pace, A Wilhelm Scream slowed the tempo a bit, creating darker sounding songs. Unfortunately, they aren't pulled off nearly as well as the more intense tunes, which leaves the listener wondering "why change at all?" In the grand scheme of things, it's simply a minor misstep, as brilliant songs such as "The King Is Dead" (one of the best opening songs I have ever heard) and "Me Vs. Morrisey In The Pretentiousness Contest (The Ladder Match)" make up the majority of Ruiner. The kicker, however, is that each song has its own identity: For example, "Congratulations" is a one minute thirty second blast of aggressive pop-punk, "Cancer Dream" boasts a seriously metal lead riff, and "When I Was Alive: Walden III" ends on a spectacular three-part harmony and "whoa-oa." There's something about each song that makes it worth listening to, which makes for an extremely high replayability value.

This album is a breath of fresh air for the music scene, and is every bit as good as the band's debut, Mute Print. Though it may not be the most amazing record ever released, in the time that I've spent with Ruiner, it has surely become one of my favorites.

Standout Tracks:

  • "The King Is Dead"
  • "Killing It"
  • "Me Vs. Morrisey in the Pretentiousness Contest (The Ladder Match)"
  • "The Kids Can Eat A Bag Of Dicks"
  • "Less Bright Eyes, More Deicide"

 

 
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gregrussian (February 22, 2011)

This guys a puss, its just fuckin water dude who cares?

MikeRackaDiction (February 22, 2010)

One of my favourite bands, just saw them in Australia, and they were awesome. I'm pretty sure this is their third album, with 'Benefits Of Thinking Out Loud' their first?

sweetser (November 9, 2009)

To the members of A Wilhelm Scream,
I am a longtime follower and fan of your band, writing to let you know about a problem I had with your performance this past weekend. I want to start by saying that Iíve been involved in the punk rock scene in varying capacities for over 12 years. When I was in high school I booked and promoted a show for Smackiní Isaiah with Choke and Moneen (Spring of 2001 in Port Jefferson, Long Island). Iíve picked up every album youíve put out since then, and bought a ticket to see you every time youíve come through New York. These days I work full time as a NYC public school teacher, and although I am less involved in the scene than I used to be, I still find time to make it out to about 5 shows a month. Naturally I was thrilled to see that you guys were playing my hometown of Brooklyn on your current tour, and enjoyed seeing you guys headline this show. The reason Iím writing, however, is not to compliment your performance, but to complain about the actions of one of your guitarists during the set. I believe it was the start of ďWe Built this City on Debts and BoozeĒ that the guitarist (the one who does not sing, Mike Supina maybe?) took a swig of water, then turned and spat it onto the crowd standing closest to the stage. My initial reaction was disgust and anger when I realized that he had just spat on me. Iím still outraged and grossed out, but mostly just dumbfounded that you would think this is somehow a cool thing to do. You guys are extremely lucky to have fans willing to buy tickets and travel to see your shows, and at just about every show that I go to the bands express sincere gratitude to their fans for supporting them. As far as spitting on someone goes, thatís a rude enough action that in most states itís considered to be assault. In addition, I am baffled that the same weekend I am going to get my seasonal flu shot and recommending to all of my students that they get their swine flu shots, a stranger thinks itís alright to spit water on my face as part of a performance. Iím writing this to let you know you need to think about your actions on stage a bit more. Whether or not youíre willing to accept it, you guys are role models, with a large crowd of young punk rock kids who are looking up to you. Please set an example of treating others, particularly your fans, with more respect than that. I am genuinely hoping for an apology, or at the very least an explanation. Please donít give me any line about his spitting somehow being ďpunk rockĒ or that he was drunk, because you guys are a bit too old for cop-out excuses like that. If this complaint is not acknowledged I will feel compelled to stop supporting your band. Awaiting a response.
-Alienated Fan #1

pitoresco (June 12, 2007)

this album is the proof that not all of the comtemporary post-hardcore/emo is crap. i donīt like too much that kind of lyrics, but, like rise against first 3 albums, im in love with this one. the double-solos are really good, the production work was amazing, the vocals are great, the lyrics excellent. really really a whole blast of fresh air in the punk rock of these days.

StrizzMatik (March 25, 2007)

Good review, but that retarded Strung Out comment fucking killed it. Even at their best AWS can't touch Twisted By Design or Element Of Sonic Defiance, not to mention AWS is obviously highly influenced by Strung Out. And btw, EOSD was a more than perfect mix of punk and metal...

ABedForLiars (September 2, 2006)

This is one of the greatest releases of all time! I can't believe a band could be this brilliant! I am addicted to this album, in fact I'm listening to it right now. It deserves more than 5 stars. I can't wait to see what else is to come from A Wilhelm Scream. Trevor Reilly is a genius!!!

IDontKnowWhatToSay (September 1, 2006)

This album is beautiful and should be album of the year. I absolutely love Trevor Reilly! I like Ruiner much more than Mute Print, but Mute Print still kicks ass.

IDontKnowWhatToSay (September 1, 2006)

This album is beautiful and should be album of the year. I absolutely love Trevor Reilly! I like Ruiner much more than Mute Print, but Mute Print still kicks ass.

rozcoemission (August 28, 2006)

Best album of '05... by far!

whatchokesbegin (August 15, 2006)

This album absolutely fucking rips. If you like punk and not this record then you need to get your head checked. One of the best releases of its year.

Anonymous (June 10, 2006)

Strung Out is only the most underrated band in the indie world today! They have never failed at anything. People like you who make this site suck! Get a clue. Go to a sex pistols concert or something..............Shitty review! You failed!

TIGHT (May 14, 2006)

chhhhhhhh so good

FAST_ED (May 10, 2006)

if you don't like this band, you deserve to be shot.

Anonymous (May 1, 2006)

oh god, this album is pure euphoria

Anonymous (April 18, 2006)

Great album. Not as good as mute print. Its a bit darker. Still amazingly good though.

Anonymous (April 6, 2006)

These guys are fucking amazing, but Strung Out is still better. Sorry tiger.

Anonymous (September 9, 2005)

I didnt bother reading down to see if it was said.
But that isn't Curtiss singing on the album, it was recorder when John teves was still in the band.
So there ya go.
Fucken good album though.

Anonymous (September 1, 2005)

Look at that Wilhelm Date, who's that opening for them????

Fri. October 28 House of Blues West Hollywood, CA w/ Strung Out, Section 8

Anonymous (August 26, 2005)

I bought this, it was overhyped and not that good.

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Anonymous (August 22, 2005)

I'd compare them more to Bigwig than Strung Out. Either way, each one of those bands is fucking great and shouldn't be used as fodder to hype up one of the others. Each band respects the other and their talents and capabilities, so why shouldn't you? Cheers!

hubitcherkokov

Anonymous (August 22, 2005)

This thread is proof positive that Punknews needs to get rid of the whole anonymous posting thing ... it just leads to morons like myself posting bullshit only because they don't have to leave a name. Not me, morons LIKE ME, haha.

CrispyTheRunt (August 21, 2005)

This review is dead-on. I fucking love this album. As of recent I've bought about 6 new CD's and I've barely touched the other five.

Anonymous (August 20, 2005)

I saw a bunch dicks on here talking about A Wilhelm Scream jumping on the metal riff bandwagon. They've been doing that shit for roughly seven or eight years.

This record rips. It's just as good, if i not better, than mute print.

This band deserves their hype. They've worked harder than most bands have to. I can't tell you how many shit shows i've seen them play, opening for bands who could never hold a candle to their musical ability. I've seen them play local record stores, drug rehab centers, and bars. This band worked for every single second of that hype.

gomerrr (August 20, 2005)

crooked_superhero seriously makes me laugh. what a douche.

stop complaining about the lyrics. i bet the majority of the bands you listen to have horrendous lyrics.

in fact, name 5 band you like right now.

i can understand why people would be mad because of that strung out comment. but cmon. dont call AWS shitty when theyre not.

oh well.

punknews.org is known for having a bunch of pricks and pretentious dumbasses who think they know what theyre talking about.

soulbleed (August 19, 2005)

It seems as if bands in all genres are having a hard time capitalizing on the success of their first album as of late: Motion City Soundtrack

haha, wtf? motion city soundtrack is all over mtv and getting way more attention than their last cd did.

Anonymous (August 19, 2005)

Great band. Even better record. This shit is way off the walls. Go buy it now. I command you!

Anonymous (August 19, 2005)

Still looking for a fight huh crooks? Go stroke your dick or something fag. Bosstones fans have absolutely no credibility here. Let's get back to the real topic, which is praising this great band for making such a fucking masterpeice. Can't wait for your witty comeback! In which case I'll give you an advance response....FUCK YOU LIMEY!

Sincerely,
FAST_ED

Anonymous (August 19, 2005)

Ah, you kids and your pointless banter.

This album kicks all ass, I gotta say.

CrookedSuperhero (August 19, 2005)

Q. How many FAST_EDs does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A. Ten. One to screw it in and nine to listen to shitty music

Mixhail (August 19, 2005)

Haha i think this is the best review i have ever read on punknews.org. One fucking sentence has never done so much damage. It fucking pissed me off as well, but i can not judge AWS because i have never listened to them in my life ( though i do know that they opened for Strung Out last year). But after reading such an asshole comment in a review i kinda dont want too.

stevejonestherealbones (August 19, 2005)

death cab for cutie is pretty boring

- jones the bones

rkl (August 18, 2005)

A Wilhelm Scream - Ruiner
Posted by Anonymous on 2005-08-17 10:26:28

They say those who can't do, teach. I think those who can't do, criticize. I'd love to read Crooked's best lyrics, or hear any of you other detractors bands. Please by all means, post links to mp3s. Show us where you get your authority from.

yeah it is bullshit logic, but give me an email address, and tell me how many songs you want.

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

hahahahahahaha man, this is prolly the best and funnest thread I've ever fucking read in my life! Yes! This site is awesome, I know it gets knocked for its annon posting abilities but I think its great! the comment about the Clash thing was hilarious as well!

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

Who the fuck is Ryan Fabian?

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

No, they disowned me asshole. Get your shit straight!

FAST_ED

stevejonestherealbones (August 18, 2005)

as long as one of against me!'s review paragraphs doesnt go something along the lines of "remember when the clash tried to blend punk with 'genre b' and ultimately failed? well against me!...."

as long as that doesnt happen i think it will kepp some of the storm at bay

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anchors (August 18, 2005)

This album has almost as many arguments about it as the Alkaline Trio and Mars Volta reviews.

I cannot wait for the shitstorms that are going to fly when the Against Me! review gets put up. Oh man.

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

WOW score's for thisrecord and the guy whoever mentioned my name in a thread about my favorite band! What a trip! Thanks! Does anyone know how the CBGB's show went when they opened for the Offspring by the way?

- Ryan
www.ryanfabian.com

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

wow...lots of you really need to get your facts straight...
The only things you really need to know about AWS are as follows...

1. five of the nicest, most down to earth guys you will ever meet in your life (if you ever have the pleasure). Buy em a beer...they like that. (and give nick a snack too while you're at it...)

2. Absoulutely Phenomenal live show... this shit's fo real, son.

3..Rabid red sox fans...FUCKING RABID...except chris who is a yankee fan and catches no end of shit for it. On second thought, I'm not sure curtiss even gives a shit about baseball.

4. They tour more than ANY band i have ever known...they're fucking animals. i saw them 3 times in 2 months last year.... ANIMALS I TELL YA.

thats pretty much it kids.

p.s. feed them beer if you see them...they need their nutrients

And by the way, don't start with the "rockstar" bullshit i hear tossed around occasionally. they have always made time for the kids...even you internet shit talking troll types... i hope they sell a bajillion copies of this record...they deserve every nickel they make times 10000.

G-rampage

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

the dude below me says blues bastard is good rocka nd roll? Those dudes suck! and since when is Ryan Fabian from New Bedford? The new AWS record is good but some songs sound way too generic everyday radio punk.

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

"FAST_ED is so gay, his parents disowned him."

or did they dispwn him?

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

alright alright, I admit it... I love A Wilhelm Scream but that Soft Sell songs sucks bad, so does the video, what a dumb song.

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

Ha Ha Ha, I shure do love A Wilhelm Scream!

FAST_ED

CrookedSuperhero (August 18, 2005)

FAST_ED is so gay, his parents disowned him.

Nighty night all.

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

Mommas and shovels! What's next, calling me gay?! Wow, I really love you guys.

FAST_ED

PS. Still a stupid fucking Limey, and I still love AWS, so there!

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

Why you gotta knock Strung Out??

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

If you guys like Ruinerand A Wilhelm Scream, check out some other acts out of New Bedoford MA!!!!

there's a guy called Nick Bishop who's a pretty fucking humorous and talented rapper, then there's Blues Bastard whoare some pretty fucking good rock and roll, then there's Ryan Fabian who I think lives in Los Angeles now but is some post punk stuff...really crazy bass stuff, I don't know if he has a website or not he's on Ryan Fabian there's lots of other music coming out of NB that's fucking great as well! check out southcoast247.com for all kinds of stuff on the scene there, I think more good stuff will come out of this small unheard of part of Massachusetts soon!

CrookedSuperhero (August 18, 2005)

What's funnier than watching FAST ED get trampled by horses?

Hitting him with a shovel.

stevejonestherealbones (August 18, 2005)

shit. crook is to quick

- jones

stevejonestherealbones (August 18, 2005)

YOUR MOMMA!!!!!!!!!

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

CrookedSuperhero (August 18, 2005)

Fast ed's momma is so poor she does drive by shootings on the bus.

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

I think this thread is about ready for a good "ZING". Is anyone down to make me laugh?

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

God damn Jones! You are right. I don't "KNOW" this guy. But, I can make very judgemental assumptions based on his shitty taste in punk rock. Anyway, I'd probably give my right arm for this band any day of the week, and that explains my anger. And crooks is still and Limey.

FAST_ED

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

God damn Jones! You are right. I don't "KNOW" this guy. But, I can make very judgemental assumptions based on his shitty taste in punk rock. Anyway, I'd probably give my right arm for this band any day of the week, and that explains my anger. And crooks is still and Limey.

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

no no no dude, Fantasia's lyrics sucked! What were you thinking?!

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

"Fantasia" is nearly flawless music and it is played to perfection, but I'm not blasting it in my car. Who cares if what they're playing is "hard to play", it's not something I like to listen to!! People have different tastes. Accept that and move on.

Damn. Half of you like this. Half of us don't. Let's not start West-Side Story 2.

Score is for "Fantasia" and "West-Side Story"

stevejonestherealbones (August 18, 2005)

i cant wait to see what reviews are posted tonight so we can get in more arguments OMG WTF ASSFUCK!!!!!!!!!!!


- jones

CrookedSuperhero (August 18, 2005)

Why not post more of the lyrics that surround those? No point posting three words.....

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

"trust the sweat not the face its on"

"shake hands while the waste surrounds you"

"it burns my black eyes red"

little slices of that tell me the lyrics are pretty damn top notch...I can make an honest assumption that Trevor is one of, if not the best lyricists around today...some of the things I've seen people quote have been the words he was using to get to other opints and shouldn't have been the lyrics to quote, there are far better lyrics in the album and of course I think Mute Print holds some amazing ones as well...also, fo those who have heard DIVER...all I've got to say is WOW with the lyrics to Diver...that song shits on so many songs and you know it.

I do worry about this band getting way too huge, at the same time I'm really glad for them. I would hate to see them get stuck in moderate level success touring in a van that smells like butthole all the time, but at the same time I'd hate to see them get so damn huge that you can't go and talk to them after the show...and I'd also hate to see the rip off bands that will eventually ruin everything they worked for (i.e. originality)

skaboom (August 18, 2005)

Music is not objective. If there was a formula for a "good song" then all music would sound the same.

Seems obvious enough to me, but lots of you people can't figure that out on your own.

CrookedSuperhero (August 18, 2005)

I'd like to know why he thinks i have such a poor taste in music.

Fast records...i think i have a comp from them somewhere.

stevejonestherealbones (August 18, 2005)

"Crookedsuperhero has got to be the biggest fucking moron I've ever had the pleasure of encountering in this forum. Everyone is right, you know nothing. And judging by what you've been listening to recently, your comments have absolutely no credibility. It's probably because you're from the UK. Fucking Limey. Go ahead, respond. It'll make our day! Hugs and Kisses!

FAST_ED
eddie@fastrecords.net

PS. Stupid Motherfucker! What do you know?!"

yeah, but you dont actually KNOW him...so you cant really criticize him from what you read here.

- jones

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

Crookedsuperhero has got to be the biggest fucking moron I've ever had the pleasure of encountering in this forum. Everyone is right, you know nothing. And judging by what you've been listening to recently, your comments have absolutely no credibility. It's probably because you're from the UK. Fucking Limey. Go ahead, respond. It'll make our day! Hugs and Kisses!

FAST_ED
eddie@fastrecords.net

PS. Stupid Motherfucker! What do you know?!

CrookedSuperhero (August 18, 2005)

"Crooked---You just demonstrated my point about not knowing shit. You wouldn't know a well written song if it bit you in the ass, because you don't know what goes into a well written song. Dick"

It's funny, if you list some of your favourite bands, i'm willing to bet they link up with mine quite well. The difference is i haven't been swallowed by the hype machine with this release. See lyrics below for proof this band isn't "all that".

stevejonestherealbones (August 18, 2005)

"So are any of you shit talkers actually in a band, or even play any sort of instrument for that matter? I'd be willing to bet that maybe one or two are, so having said that, none of you really have the slightest idea what you're talking abo...."

this arguement has been brought up time and time again and its bullshit. it was already refuted once in this thread.

by your logic you cant talk shit on me because you arent me so you cant exactly know what is going through my mind as i type this.

basically i think there wouldnt be so much arguing if

a) that strung out comment wasnt made

b) this was scored at a more reasonable 6/7 or so

not many people are saying this is shitty. its not. but its not near perfection, especially with a couple of really bad songs.

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

theundergroundscene (August 18, 2005)

which brings me to my next point

HOW CAN ANYONE NOT THINK THESE SONGS ARE GOOD

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

Crooked---You just demonstrated my point about not knowing shit. You wouldn't know a well written song if it bit you in the ass, because you don't know what goes into a well written song. Dick

housewrecker (August 18, 2005)

Since we're all throwing in our 2 cents:

First, to those who accuse them of hopping on the metal-riff band wagon: These guys were doing that for a long time, they're now finally getting recognized nationally. Unfortunately while they've been doing it a lot of other bands doing it got really popular really quickly. When they were Smackin' Isiah they were the FIRST band I ever saw that actually did the style well. I don't even understand the comparison with Bigwig and Strung Out. All good bands but different styles of punk/metal crossover.

Second, about the hype: These guys have always been GOOD. When a band is this talented and playing small shows all the scenesters get wet because they know of a talented band that is still not as popular as they deserve to be. Then they get signed to Jumpstart and then Nitro and get some national publicity, which they deserved all along and people are still wet cuz they're not on a major and still relatively small. Finally, enough people (tipping point) like a band because they're small enough to be scene, but just big enough with enough new fans coming in and the album is overhyped. It's still damn GOOD.

CrookedSuperhero (August 18, 2005)

"So are any of you shit talkers actually in a band, or even play any sort of instrument for that matter? I'd be willing to bet that maybe one or two are, so having said that, none of you really have the slightest idea what you're talking about right? You really can't say if AWS sucks or not because you don't know. That's the bottom line, you don't fucking know. You don't know anything because you don't play drums, so you wouldn't know how difficult some of those parts are. You don't play guitar so you don't how hard it is to play dual solos, having to match what the other guy is doing perfectly as to not sound loose and out of time. And you don't sing, so you wouldn't know how incredibly difficult it is to actually sing a three part harmony live, or in the studio. You know nothing, you know that you know nothing and it pisses you off to such a degree that you feel the need to berrate any band that comes along that you can't wrap your simple little head around immediately. Do everyone here a favor and stop trying to act like a fucking expert on a subject that you know nothing about. Here's a novel idea, why not try to contribute something to punk rock instead of tearing down others that dedicate their lives to this scene? Or go to school, get a job, do something constructive with your time."

So what, this band has some techinical abilty. Dosen't mean they can write good songs or good lyrics. Dick.

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

So are any of you shit talkers actually in a band, or even play any sort of instrument for that matter? I'd be willing to bet that maybe one or two are, so having said that, none of you really have the slightest idea what you're talking about right? You really can't say if AWS sucks or not because you don't know. That's the bottom line, you don't fucking know. You don't know anything because you don't play drums, so you wouldn't know how difficult some of those parts are. You don't play guitar so you don't how hard it is to play dual solos, having to match what the other guy is doing perfectly as to not sound loose and out of time. And you don't sing, so you wouldn't know how incredibly difficult it is to actually sing a three part harmony live, or in the studio. You know nothing, you know that you know nothing and it pisses you off to such a degree that you feel the need to berrate any band that comes along that you can't wrap your simple little head around immediately. Do everyone here a favor and stop trying to act like a fucking expert on a subject that you know nothing about. Here's a novel idea, why not try to contribute something to punk rock instead of tearing down others that dedicate their lives to this scene? Or go to school, get a job, do something constructive with your time.

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

musically talented, but not good.

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

Holy over-hype! This album is NOT that good.

poopypants (August 18, 2005)

'bigwig sucks monster cocks'

that made me LOL hehehe

paul

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

Score is for THE Wilhelm Scream... you know, the sound-bite from movies. This band, however, is not very good.

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

Smackin' Isaiah was horrendous. Good move by these guys to change their name to lose all association with... themselves. Anyway, this album is not that great, but it is a little better than what they've done before. So take that for what it's worth.

I will not be buying this.

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

you guys need to learn a little lesson from GCF

I know how i wanna live POSITIVE! I know how i wanna live POSITIVE! POSITIVLEY POSITIVE. stop the hatin.

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

Score's for NUNO and fucking AWS ... great new album. And let me just say, the song title The Kids Can Eat a Bag of Dicks looks hilarious when scrolling across my car CD player's display. It makes me smile every time.

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

hi guys...i'm guessing you're all dudes anyway. well, thanks a lot for all the posts, it's all very insiteful. umm..yeah. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahthis shit is fucking awesome! we make some of you soooo mad! hahahahahhahoooh...okay sorry i'm a little drunk.
for the record the guys in Strung Out are awesome and the fact that they've helped us at all shows that. All of their records are good so fuck off nerds. in closing, thanks for real everyone for buying/listening to Ruiner.
hugs&kisses,
nuno/aws

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

i disagree with the strung out comment
but at this point AWS surpasses them in the PRESENT TIME
nuno and the boys are spont on guys as well who dont really give a shit what the kids on the net think
THE KIDS CAN EAT A BACK OF DICKS

Anonymous (August 18, 2005)

hey "not to regret homo"..i dont really think aws even really chooses what songs get played on their mp3's..thats why they have a really big record label called nitro that does all that for them..if you knew anything youd know that by now..hahaha silly you, you're so dumb, and you have nothing itellegent to say..wilhelm takes a huge shit on 90% of the bands that are makin music now a days, i look at the punk scene that i used to actually be into, and i get sick. its like.."underoath, receiving end of sirens, brand new" and a bunch of other bullshit, these guys actually have something new to offer, they're not a bunch of whining pussies.

Anonymous (August 17, 2005)

"The comment below is absurd. Under its "logic" only cooks could determine what flavors people liked, only actors and directors could determine what movies were good, and the president would never be wrong."

Point taken.

However, I still bet your best song is about as good as the worst Right Said Fred song.

Anonymous (August 17, 2005)

Like them or hate them.. i think we can all agree we'd rather have kids listening to these guys than whatever screamo band is featured on the cover of AP this month.

NoUse4aScnName00 (August 17, 2005)

heh.....i actually just bought the jurassic 5 ep of amazon.com like about 4 hours or so ago....

Anonymous (August 17, 2005)

It is VERY good, I'm sure lots and lots agree, in fact I heard its selling out of places so...I think this one is going to make them rockstars, I'm serious. Say goodbye to sleeping in a van that smells like fartz guys! Say hello to coke, floozies, RCA and the thing I'm going to dread the most:

Wilhelm Scream rip off bands!

its only a matter of time...embrace yourselves!

Big_Guy (August 17, 2005)

ok, I got this today and I'm already on my third listen

I could be overrating it but I don't care, this album is crazy good.

Anonymous (August 17, 2005)

"Why listen to AWS when you can listen to Bigwig? "

I haven't heard this band at all...

But Bigwig suck monster cocks... Their lyrics are so trite, it's disgusting. Their generic 90's rock bores me.

Fuck that band for ever existing.

ElVaquero (August 17, 2005)

i'm wearing a jurassic 5 shirt (the ep cover)

etwiels88 (August 17, 2005)

nah, im sure he'd concentrate more on how you mis-spelled 'definitely'

NoUse4aScnName00 (August 17, 2005)

oopps forgot the "y" in definately......im sure some dicknose like crooky will point that out if i dont.....so ha.....beat you to it dicknose crooky

NoUse4aScnName00 (August 17, 2005)

....But yeh I think definatel the best song IMO has to be definately "Congradulations". It's rough yet melodic, short but sweet.

NoUse4aScnName00 (August 17, 2005)

"you aren't answering points you pathetic tower of human filth

you're getting the last word in like a little freaking baby

wahh wahh wahh people like stuff i don't

come back when you grow one, crooky"

undergroundscene does have a point crooky, that you are a dumb, pathetic loser and should probably just save yourself your time and end you life this second...........

etwiels88 (August 17, 2005)

Syracuse is full of AIDS.

Anchors (August 17, 2005)

Surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet; but bye-bye Hellfest.

http://www.sovereignbankarena.com/press/Hellfestcanc elled.html

Should have left it in Syracuse where it belongs.

stevejonestherealbones (August 17, 2005)

"i don't understand how you don't like the killing it killing it chant"

yeah, although i dont think this album is as good as you score, by a longshot, i find the "killing it" part really catchy and enjoyable...

- jones

poopypants (August 17, 2005)

i'm so punk i'm wearing a button down and khaki's at a desk. scores for getting a job oi oi oi

paul

Anonymous (August 17, 2005)

score is for crook knowing Fall Out Boy's lyrics to say that they are better than A Wilhelm Scream's.

Please, everyone stop bitching, and either:

a-bashing A Wilhelm Scream with ridiculous comparisons that you know arent true when you're typing them out

b-defending A Wilhelm Scream by promptly attacking (a's) integrity and/or sexuality.

What's wrong with liking both bands music?

Anonymous (August 17, 2005)

I agree, the chorus of Killing It Killing It...Ruins that track, woulda been a steller one without it...it already had a hook without the dumb part

theundergroundscene (August 17, 2005)

i don't understand how you don't like the killing it killing it chant

i think it's catchy as hell

oh well

Anonymous (August 17, 2005)

"Listen, you people that keep comparing and comparing...shut the F**k up...who cares about how they compare to other bands such as strung out...The best goddamn thing about this band is that i dont care what anyone says..ive NEVER heard any cd that sounds like this, and their sound is original and incredible. The reason they have to tell people they sound like certain bands cuz half of you pathetic kids wont listen to it unless you hear someone say it sounds like a shitty band you like..they dont care about comparison, they care about originality. this cd shits on any "punk" or "hardcore" cd out their right now, i know because i HATE punk and hardcore and i love this band. Any band that can go from the king is dead to in vito veritas II is freakin amazing, cuz that just shows they can give you any sound they want, if they wanna sound like a crappy brand new they can, they're capable of doing anything. This band is incredible, and anyone who really understands music and actually knows what they're talking about would understand that, so fuck everyone ripping this band you dont know shit."

Yeah. nice rant, but after hearing the mp3 for "Killing It" I was immediately turned off... If you want people to check out your band at least release an mp3 that doesnt haven't such a shitty chorus.

-Not-To-Regret

Anonymous (August 17, 2005)

I saw a thread about some guy wearing a story of the year shirt.. (do not exit your house with this one btw) but I tought what shirt the hardcore punk fan on punknews.org are wearing right now ?

a rx bandits shirt is currently on me :)

Anonymous (August 17, 2005)

Wow, there are alot of children posting on this site ranting like little bitches.

The fact of the matter is A Wilhelm Scream does have their own sound, despite what some morons here are saying. Sure, you can draw some similarities to other bands but Christ, every band has influences. AWS has unique vocal styles, really cool lyrics, technical riffs and just all all-around solid sound that pumps me up. Fuck, that's all i want out of a band. Ruiner is awesome, tough to be better than Mute Print though.

And anyone who says Strung Out is anything but one of the best bands over the last 15 yrs should start listening to country music or something.

QUIT FUCKING CRYING

Anonymous (August 17, 2005)

you people don't know your shit

1. Rob Dobi NOT Scott Sinclair!!! did the artwork here, yes it sucks anyway...

2. Nick Joined after "gets eaten alive" (1998) which was their second "album" as Smackin' Isaiah

3. A Way to a girl's hear came out in 1999

by the way, as AWS this is their second record...Benefits was first released as SI and later changed...so its not really a AWS record

as SI they had 4 albums, an ep and a split CD

they were called Koen before that and had an album called "The Big Fall" which was like a ska punk thing or some shit...

this record is fucking LIGHT YEARS better than anything being released right now by the way...to each their own but this is something to be excitied about.

Anonymous (August 17, 2005)

Whoah. Scott Sinclair turned out this? I find that hard to believe - he's pretty talented.

sickboi (August 17, 2005)

The same artist does all of HWM's artwork, duder.

Anonymous (August 17, 2005)

2000 actually for the new guitarist, he was in the band when they were still Smackin' Isaiah for at least a year or so. And what about Nick? He's been around since The Way To A Girls Heart... That was like nine years ago.

Anonymous (August 17, 2005)

the album's great, I just don't like this dumb emo/nu metal/angst kid with crows design...the blood and all it's kinda dumb...alot of bands use that shit nowadays...Dobi works with lots of shitty bands too, kinda reminds me when HWM used dumb artwork on their last record

sickboi (August 17, 2005)

People just don't like whats popular. It boggles my mind how people can shit on this band.

Anonymous (August 17, 2005)

to the guy below me: they added a new guitarist in like 2002 or 2003 I think...the only original members of the band (since Smackin' Isaiah) are Nuno and Trevor...

Anonymous (August 17, 2005)

The kids truly can eat a bag of dicks.

And as for the T. Reilly revolving door of members solo project bullshit, tell that to the 4 out of 5 of them that have been in the band longer that your favorite band has been together. It's true that Trevor writes all of the lyrics, but I'm pretty sure that the music is collaborative.

Big_Guy (August 17, 2005)

"big_guy,

the whole second verse of "god loves a liar" is also harmonized tapping

it's great"

Cool.

I have clearly not heard this yet as I have abstained from downloading the leak and haven't gone to the cd shop yet. I would have thought they wouldn't have done that again, but they can do whatever the hell they want.

I love this band

Anonymous (August 17, 2005)

"This band is incredible, and anyone who really understands music and actually knows what they're talking about would understand that, so fuck everyone ripping this band you dont know shit."

Or maybe everyone else knows what they're talking about and you don't know shit. It's like 'Dead Alive' only with music and the roles reversed.

Anonymous (August 17, 2005)

I also forgot to add that i have never read lyrics this powerful and deep...damn trevors a fucking genius, you gotta wonder whats on that guys mind sometimes..haha

theundergroundscene (August 17, 2005)

big_guy,

the whole second verse of "god loves a liar" is also harmonized tapping

it's great

Anonymous (August 17, 2005)

Listen, you people that keep comparing and comparing...shut the F**k up...who cares about how they compare to other bands such as strung out...The best goddamn thing about this band is that i dont care what anyone says..ive NEVER heard any cd that sounds like this, and their sound is original and incredible. The reason they have to tell people they sound like certain bands cuz half of you pathetic kids wont listen to it unless you hear someone say it sounds like a shitty band you like..they dont care about comparison, they care about originality. this cd shits on any "punk" or "hardcore" cd out their right now, i know because i HATE punk and hardcore and i love this band. Any band that can go from the king is dead to in vito veritas II is freakin amazing, cuz that just shows they can give you any sound they want, if they wanna sound like a crappy brand new they can, they're capable of doing anything. This band is incredible, and anyone who really understands music and actually knows what they're talking about would understand that, so fuck everyone ripping this band you dont know shit.

Big_Guy (August 17, 2005)

The only reason this wouldn't be as good as Mute Print is because they have already used the harmonized finger tapping through the whole song in William Blake Overdrive. That is the best thing I have ever heard.

I've never heard a band do that. If there is another band that has done that, point me in the direction of that band because I want to hear them.

Anonymous (August 17, 2005)

The comment below is absurd. Under its "logic" only cooks could determine what flavors people liked, only actors and directors could determine what movies were good, and the president would never be wrong.

It's important for not just music, but the world, that people can recognize inept, ill-conceived, stupid, or just plain bad ideas based on readily available facts. As for AWS - it doesn't matter where those lyrics were cut and pasted from, they're still horrible. Period. If you can get past them to enjoy the music, bully for you.

Anonymous (August 17, 2005)

They say those who can't do, teach. I think those who can't do, criticize. I'd love to read Crooked's best lyrics, or hear any of you other detractors bands. Please by all means, post links to mp3s. Show us where you get your authority from.

Anonymous (August 17, 2005)

I like it.

tylerdurden8136 (August 17, 2005)

ha, give up kids, you will never win against crooko.

as for the album, good stuff, nothing mindblowing, and not as good as mute print.

CrookedSuperhero (August 17, 2005)

"crooky is a little bastard, and give me a fucking break, posting lyrics THAT WERE POSTED IN THE REVIEW FROM PUNKROCKS.NET (not even hand picking them hismelf, mind you) is a very lame ass attempt to slam this band and my opinion"

You know i've gotta get the last word and everything, so here we go:

Obviously you can't read. Before i posted the lyrics i wrote that it was from a review of someone who really likes the band, and if anyone loves this band, it's Barry Scatton. That says to me that if he used these in a positive review, then these are the best this band has to offer.

BrandonSideleau (August 17, 2005)

the best punk bands are Sabbath influenced....sorry, off topic, but I had to speak the truth.

AlmostPunkEnough (August 17, 2005)

"pulley is another good technical punk band with some metal influence.... lest we forget them"

no one should ever forget Pulley, as Pulley is gods gift to us. "Matters" didn't get nearly the attention it deserved.

oh, and i can use italics and bold. don't you think i'm so cool????

Anonymous (August 17, 2005)

for the record, this album (and band) are fucking brilliant...proof is in the songwriting, they seem to be really nice guys as well...not sure if its an act or not but at least they don't act too cool and they seem pretty darn humble due to the fact that they make better music and write better songs than 98% of the newer bands coming around these days.

but

someone once said in an old post about Mute Print that "the hype is gonna kill this band" ...was he an evil profit of doom?

plus:

the reviewer of this one kiinda cock blocked them, I know he meant well but when he put the Strung Out thing in there he set off a totally ridiculous thing...couldn't he have mentioned some shittier band's transgression into suckyness like what Cave In did to themselves? That shit about Strung Out set off a damn shit storm. I know for a fact by the way that AWS and SO both love eacother's music and respect it as well..

Anonymous (August 17, 2005)

pulley is another good technical punk band with some metal influence.... lest we forget them

Anonymous (August 17, 2005)

dude i wish 10 gazillion was an option on this fuckin score thing cuz i would like give it that, i love this fuckin cd and tonight im gonna dye my hair and put on my I love joel and benji shirt and just masturbate myself to sleep with this sweet masterpiece playing in the background, while crying

fuckyeah, hardcore punk=a wilhelm scream

wehavecomeforyourchildren (August 17, 2005)

oh yea, and to the kids who keep asking "are they making fun of paint it black?"

no.

it's a funny alteration of paint it black's title. i'll bet you that trevor reilly didn't even mean to slam bright eyes or to even express a liking for deicide. it's just supposed to be funny. i think it is.

Anchors (August 17, 2005)

"this is the first time i've noticed so many regulars arguing so furiously....if you don't count the WussEmoRock days.

by the way, does that kid still post, just under a different name?"

Yeah, it's Paul, I'm sure of it.

wehavecomeforyourchildren (August 17, 2005)

this is the first time i've noticed so many regulars arguing so furiously....if you don't count the WussEmoRock days.

by the way, does that kid still post, just under a different name?

Anonymous (August 17, 2005)

Take the worst song Strung Out ever wrote. Then put it up against the best song A Wilhelm Scream ever wrote. I think the rest is obvious...

A Wilhelm Scream, Crime In Stereo... it seems like the new fad is to jump on the bandwagon of the bands that put out the most stale, over-done music possible. Neither of those 2 bands have succeeded in writing more than 1 good song. Honestly.

-opivy

Anchors (August 17, 2005)

Yeah, italicizing is only for the cool kids.

ElVaquero (August 17, 2005)

I think the general opinion from the comments is that this is a decent album from a good band that could've done a lot better (and have).

the_other_scott (August 17, 2005)

this shit is fucking hilarious, watch it all the way through

http://www.youhavebadtasteinmusic.com/soy.html

darkstarm (August 17, 2005)

generally when thereís this much excitement (as in, you guys are all flipping out and calling each other fags every five minutes) over a CD that means that itís actually pretty good. i think I'll go buy this soon. Along with... something.

Peeeps.

rkl (August 16, 2005)

i dont like either aws or strung out, maybe thats why the "strung out/aws are responsible for the melodic punk rock w/ metal influnces" statement grates me so much. i thought strung outs first two albums were good, but after that they fell off a cliff. as far as aws, ive only been exposed to their last album, but had to delete it after 3 songs.

sickboi: 94-95 was when i really got into punk, and i still find this to be crap.

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

"How the fuck do you post in italics?

is it a staff thing?"

You see, I slept with Brian and thus he gave me the power to italicize.

Ramo

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

wow! they made Mute Print pt. II

good for them!

skaboom (August 16, 2005)

uh, well you get the idea, maybe.

skaboom (August 16, 2005)

"score's for the dumb artwork...kind of looks like a Korn album or something''

http://images.google.com/images?client=firefox-a&r ls=org.mozilla:en-US:official_s&q=bad religion no control&hl=en&btnG=Search Images

Big_Guy (August 16, 2005)

How the fuck do you post in italics?

is it a staff thing?

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

More like Motion City Fagtrack

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

I love seeing people flame each other here. You guys provide me with so much entertainment, I completely read every comment instead of checking out the DVD edition of The Simpsons Sixth Season.

Now to the band, this is a good record. If you knew the band, they're not trying to be the next big thing or get everyone to listen to them. They're just having fun which you could tell by this record and their last effort. If you like Mute Print, you're definitely going to dig this. If not, oh well...

Ramo
(Someone review the new Lords album...it is the N.H. Figure out what those initials mean)

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

score's for the dumb artwork...kind of looks like a Korn album or something

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

I think most people I talk to are in agreement that Mute Print was better than this. Now, that's reasonable the only thing is is that these guys tried to hype this thing up like it was was "Super Mute Print" and you know there's no way they could top that record...the only hthing that turned me off with this band is that Trevor's getting kind of cocky about it. This band could do a couple things right now:

a.) break up

b.) take their budding fanbase and innovate and switch their shit up and become really really fucking good, they've got a ton of potential!

c.) stay the same and fade into the obscure in the next 5 years or so

they say they always want to top their last record. If they only thought about innovating instead of balls to the wall all the time, it could get pretty damn interesting.

CallingLondon (August 16, 2005)

does the band still use that cheesey high pitched hair metal sounding guitar? it was the only thing about the last album i didn't like and kinda ruined a lot of otherwise good songs for me. you know what i'm talking about? not the crunchy guitar, but the other one. its' not even the music it played, just the guitar sound.

Icapped2pac (August 16, 2005)

I liked the last album quite a bit, but this one has WAY too much hair-metal wankery for me. If I wanted gay ass guitar solos, I'd go back to my parents' house and dig up my tape of "Open Up and Say Ahhhh".

lol_omg_wtf_nambla (August 16, 2005)

So I just listened to this all the way through and here's what jumped out. In Vino Veritas was hilariously bad. Wow. Remember when A Whilhelm Scream tried to be all soulful and failed? Yeah, that just happened. Me Vs. Morrisey, Killing It, and The King Is Dead are all damn good songs. Overall this band and album are really good. I wasn't as impressed with this as I was with this as I was with Mute Print, but that's probably because I knew what to expect this time. Take my opinion with whatever ammount of salt you need though, 'cause I come from the "it's always time for harmonized guitar solos" school of thought. I'll take these guys over a ton of bands any day of the week.

BrandonSideleau (August 16, 2005)

What is "Less Bright eyes, More Deicide"? A riff on the MUCH superior band Paint It Black's "Less Deicide, More Minor Threat"?

theundergroundscene (August 16, 2005)

hahahah

i laughed

sorry homes

Big_Guy (August 16, 2005)

"you ain't the fucking brightest candle on the cake either, big guy"

Fuck off man!!

haha just kidding

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

"tightwads"

Yes, yes... we all are fiscal conservatives.

theundergroundscene (August 16, 2005)

vaquero,

plz respect me

plz plz plz

you guys are tightwads, which makes me explaining myself to you that much more useless, so why bother? you apparently know how i feel since i wrote the goddamn review, i would be reiterating what i said anyway

crooky is a little bastard, and give me a fucking break, posting lyrics THAT WERE POSTED IN THE REVIEW FROM PUNKROCKS.NET (not even hand picking them hismelf, mind you) is a very lame ass attempt to slam this band and my opinion

i'm not going to tell you what you want to hear, and calling someone a name online is funny, especially when you get the DON'T CALL NAMES ONLINE IT'S DUMB speech

you ain't the fucking brightest candle on the cake either, big guy

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

Fucking right on. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

did someone just call this band metalcore? haha... wow.

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

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Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

shitty metalcore indeed

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

New metalcore bands never deserve scores this high. They're playing a shitty genre to start with. I don't understand how people love bands like this and Choke. When someone tells you to check it out you totally expect something original and different, but it turns out just to be another noise-factory of a metalcore band. Strung Out may not have invented sliced bread but damn they are good at playing punk-metal. When I heard that first mp3 I was immediately turned off.

-Not-To-Regret

BrandonSideleau (August 16, 2005)

Not bad....but WAYYYY overrated.

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

Remember when Strung Out tried to play metallic and technical punk rock, but ultimately failed? Imagine if Strung Out had succeeded at the genre crossover, and you'd have a good idea of how A Wilhelm Scream sounds.

seriously ... do your homework before you write these horrible reviews you fuckin idiot.

ElVaquero (August 16, 2005)

Take this bitch fight objectively. Crooky's arguing against the band. Underground is arguing against Crooky. Insults get you no respect and I'm less likely to listen to your opinion, regardless of the press-release you call a review.

Seriously, Crooky points out that the lyrics aren't top notch and the band really isn't amazing. So you just call him a douche bag or a wanker or whatever. That's retarded.

But the band, the band. A Wilhelm Scream is a good band, I listen to them quite a lot. I thought a handful of songs on Mute Print were fantastic, very catchy. None of the songs on Ruiner impressed me. "In Vino Veritas II" was actually completely fucking awful. The band really is a one trick pony. They do the technical speedy punk very well. They need hooks to keep me coming back though and that's one thing that is missing from Ruiner (someone pointed this out). A Wilhelm Scream is a very good band, but they aren't changing anything and they aren't all that "amazing." You may like it more than I do, that's cool. But face it, even if you're still listening to them in 5 years, not many other people will. Their impact is minimal, despite them kicking ass. Get over that and get over yourself.

Plz.

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

probably already said, but this isn't their 2nd full length, it is only the second one on nitro.

I mention that only because their last non-nitro LP, benefits of thinking out loud, is still my favorite.

wyzo

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

I got Ruiner for about 3 weeks now. Maybe the Strung Out comment was a little too much for some people but the latest effort by AWS is better than Strung Out EIO - at least in my opinion. BUT this dosent mean they are better than Strung Out by any mean. Anyway, it's a pretty good cd The King is Dead is just awesome. Great vocals, nice guitar play & riff and I DO THINK the lyrics are good. People need to calm down cause this is not SO vs AWS.

GreenVandal (August 16, 2005)

No more declarations of album of the year. I think that every other decent album released so far this year has been called album of the year on this site.

Russe11 (August 16, 2005)

Motion City Soundtrack is gay.

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

Motion city soundtrack had a killer sophmore album.

Dante3000 (August 16, 2005)

Why has it become Strung Out Vs. A Wihelem Scream? I understand the comment made but that's the reviewers comment not AWS. It's not like they said, "Ruiner is the best album ever and it's going to show Strung Out how to make good music, fuck them".
I like both bands, though I only have Mute Print, not Ruiner and the whole Strung out collection. I think the bands do have some similarities but not enough to make it an either or deal (they're not Mars Volta and Sparta for god sakes). What I've heard of Ruiner I like but I'm not sure I'd call it album of the year. In addition I thought American Paradox was a pretty damn good album. It had about three tracks I couldn't listen to, but the rest were pretty good and a few were down right amazing.
I respect theundergroundscenes' review even if I don't agree with everything he said. At the end of the day AWH and Strung Out are different bands and should be loved or hated on their own merit, not on some silly comparison between the two.
-Dante

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

Strung Out failed, you say?

You have made the rest of the review null and void by making that comment.

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

I went to pick this up today and I couldnt find it. Lame .

pdcrak (August 16, 2005)

(new listener) ruiner... or eh mute print to buy first?

sickboi (August 16, 2005)

Shoosh...

Faggy McGay.

I got nuthin'.

stevejonestherealbones (August 16, 2005)

"Jones, quit being all gay for Crooky, you gayish mcgayster."

i'm not too worried about this insult...you know...coming from a faggy McFagstein and all.....

- jones

CrookedSuperhero (August 16, 2005)

Last word.

Craaaaazy love bones. Crazy love.

theundergroundscene (August 16, 2005)

p.s. i'm aware i have to get the last word in the describe the fact that crooky has to always get the last word in OKAY

theundergroundscene (August 16, 2005)

why would you ever defend crooky

that's preposterous

sickboi (August 16, 2005)

Jones, quit being all gay for Crooky, you gayish mcgayster.

stevejonestherealbones (August 16, 2005)

"you aren't answering points you pathetic tower of human filth

you're getting the last word in like a little freaking baby

wahh wahh wahh people like stuff i don't

come back when you grow one, crooky"

um. same goes for you then i suppose, right?

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

Sickboi, there was no right answer to that question. Saying Bigwig doesnt put out albums often is true, but its also true Bigwig's current musical library puts AWS to shame. Their best song is not better than Bigwig's worst. If you want to listen to a "punk" band with metal riffs, Bigwig is the band to listen to. AWS is just some cheap substitute. Once Bigwig's new CD finally hits stores you will forget all about this band.

theundergroundscene (August 16, 2005)

you aren't answering points you pathetic tower of human filth

you're getting the last word in like a little freaking baby

wahh wahh wahh people like stuff i don't

come back when you grow one, crooky

sickboi (August 16, 2005)

ďThe Kids Can Eat A Bag Of DicksĒ

Written for Crooky.

pabstboy (August 16, 2005)

First of all, this is an amzing album! AWS does not disappoint in this one and stays true to their style.

Second, Strung Out failing as a metal/melodic band? You gotta be nucking futs!! If anything, Strung Out could be labeled as one of the bands who made underground melodic metalcore what it is today. So don't play that failure card with me dick because you obviously never listened to Strung Out very much. Other than that, not a bad review.

CrookedSuperhero (August 16, 2005)

Jeez, i'm just answering points.

I don't know why this band gets me so worked up, but it's reading shit like 'album of the year' is just irritating.

And those lyrics are awful.

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

Why do people get so worked up over what bands other people like? Jesus. Calm the fuck down.

theundergroundscene (August 16, 2005)

holy crap CROOKY YOU JUST DON'T QUIT

seriously the most annoying wanker ever

sickboi (August 16, 2005)

Those lyrics aren't all that bad....

They're not sappy, more crass than anything....

CrookedSuperhero (August 16, 2005)

Good lyrics? These come from a review written by someone who also loves this band:

"Itís turning me on now, accidents are what follows. If only you could see her now. Donít Mistake someoneís daughter crying for fuck sounds. For rainy days youíre mine."

"Apologize to who I touch, I could have ruined you too but I was beaten to the punch. Hug what? Why should I care who you go fuck? "

"Thereís a waiting list to the bottom under you. Ex-Husbands, romantics and perverts and masochists. Iím gonna be there too."

"Flattery is dead romance is next, you never wanted to touch me when I was worthless, get it while I am sick with this."

Wow. They're so meaningful. Fuck sounds? Wow, just....amazing. Oh man, i gotta lie down to think these over.

Fall Out Boy's lyrics are better than these. It's no surpirse this wasn't mentioned in this review that claims this album is near perfect, despite it's glaring faults.

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

im suprised that most people are arguing over strung out/ aws ... im one of the biggest strung out fans ever , (and although aws doesnt really come close to touching strung out) i cant see how fans of strung out wouldnt like a wilhlem scream. i think we should all just support both bands and stop bitching

sickboi (August 16, 2005)

AWS puts out an album more than once every 5 years.

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

Bigwig>AWS

Why listen to AWS when you can listen to Bigwig? There is no acceptable answer to that question so dont even bother.

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

oh and they're actually from New Bedford by the way, we stopped by there on tour once...shitty little nasty town...kind of one of those places you stop at to take a piss and get gas when you're on the road...pretty far from Boston actually...like about an hour. I'm amazed anything this good came out of that piece of shit town. No wonder why the lyrics are so ddepressing though...

theundergroundscene (August 16, 2005)

me > crookedsuperhero

that's a fact

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

um...have any of you guys READ THE LYRICS?????

FUCKING AMAZING!

I honestly do not know of any current act around right now that has better lyric's than Trevor's. Punk or otherwise, honestly take a look!

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

Great live band, AMAZING live band actually, good guys, great music. They're from Boston area.

What's not to love?

sickboi (August 16, 2005)

Whats not to like? They rock, write good music, put on an amazing live show, don't cater to current trends (don't give me that "metalcore" shit).

Anyone listening to punk-ish music back in 94-95 can totally see where these guys are coming from.

CrookedSuperhero (August 16, 2005)

A W S = BEST PUNK BAND OF THE NEW GENERATION

Totally dood!!111!!

bizzlebrizzle (August 16, 2005)

You people are mentally retarded I swear. That can be the only explanation for all these people liking this shitty band, unless all of these anonymous comments are being made by the band itself.

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

good band but um...is it just me or are some of these songs kind of wel..."ruined"? Take Killing It for instance...it would be amazing if only the part that says "killing it killing it" were taken out...Yeah and this totally has become the T.Reilley solo project...it seems like they are a revolving door for members...

poopypants (August 16, 2005)

oh look i do have a name but i really am just lazy

paul

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

scores for your mom's

paul

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

I agree this is a great fucking band and this record is alright you know? I think they had so much potential though to do something way more interesting than this or even Mute Print.

Some guy somewhere below me said something about them jumping on the metal riff bandwagon and it made me realize, after listening to their back catalog...I mean their WAY back catalog...I've realized these guys do like to jump onto the trends.

Then I also realized, this is Trevor Reiley's band. In fact this should be just called Trevor Reilley...all the rest of the guys are just kind of instruments to do his work you know? and that's cool and all but I can't see more room for innovation...I give it a couple more years for these guys. Don't get me wrong, amazing fucking songwriting, I can't get over how amazing the songwriting here is...I just wish the group would branch out and maybe even *gasp* not try to be so damn "melodic harcore"...

robdobi (August 16, 2005)

"we'll see how quality of a 5th album wilhelm scream put out comparitively to strung out's 5th album, exile in oblivion"

if you count smackin isaiah releases, i believe this is their 5th album.

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

this is the best punk rock record of the year. fuck pennywise and fuck strung out.

i think the best track is "congratulations" cuz of the lyrics and because it is so short, as it was for "1957" .

A W S = BEST PUNK BAND OF THE NEW GENERATION

sickboi (August 16, 2005)

Don't forget the Dave Chappelle DVD.

kirbypuckett (August 16, 2005)

Sin City and Ruiner, what a fuckin' day!

- Kirby

CrookedSuperhero (August 16, 2005)

"I also bet half of these fuckbags who are ragging on Wilhelm Scream haven't even heard their new album."

Well then i bet you haven't heard it and you only say it's good because everyone else. God you're a stupid fuck.

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

I have heard it, its ok-oldpunker-

NoUse4aScnName00 (August 16, 2005)

I also bet half of these fuckbags who are ragging on Wilhelm Scream haven't even heard their new album.

NoUse4aScnName00 (August 16, 2005)

Oh yeah. That's for Ruiner.

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

Strung Out is 100 times better than this.

NoUse4aScnName00 (August 16, 2005)

I think Strung Out and A Wilhelm Scream both rock out. I enjoy hearing the two but I find differences and similarities with both. I wouldn't say Strung Out 'failed' on their last album, Exhile in Oblivion. It was different but was a natural progression to what they have been leading up to. I thought their EP, The Elements of Sonic Defiance was amazing and their drummer, Jordan Burns is probably the best in the punk rock business. However I thought I'd be blown away with their performance at this year's Warped and instead I was disappointed. They aren't great live. I thought Dropkick Murphys and Millencolin played way better shows. Maybe it had to do with their mediocre set list. I'm not sure.

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

i hope tjhis fucking band blows up! amazing live band, if not the best. to all you people complaining about overhyped, when you get a band that can write shit like this, throw it in somebodys face, cause i doubt you can you pieces of shit.

-paki punk

johnrambo (August 16, 2005)

yea. its there. they have a fuckload of elements going on at once, which really showcases thier skill and technical fortitude, but the one thing they skipped over was catchiness. mute print had a good amount of catch. this album has much less catch.

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

It saddens me that on a "punk rock" website there are people trashing one of the best punk bands ever, strung out, and praising this "cool" new emopunkmelodicore crap which has been done a million times by now. Where nothing has come close to strung out's material.

Also, Stung Out has been a technical punk band for a long time now, not since the last two albums. The last two are heavier, maybe you think heavy means technical. I wouldnt be surprised.

Anyways, a wilhelm scream sucks.

Jesse (August 16, 2005)

This and Bane are the greatest hardcore bands ever! No wait! So's Comeback Kid! And Against Me! is the best punk band ever! It's soooooo good! I mean, it's really real! It's like the stuff like that the genre was founded on! Woooo!

This band is so overhyped. It feels like I'm listening to a polished wood floor. It's really cool that they hopped on the metal riff bandwagon. Like we needed more of that. If people want to listen to real hardcore today, go out and get Das Oath, Lords, Akimbo, or Coliseum records. That shit's where it's at.

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

Despite really wanting to like aWS, something about them always reminds me of that song by the Faint entitled "Posed to Death."

OC

TheMarc (August 16, 2005)

This score is for "The King is Dead". Hopefully I can find this album somewhere today.

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

*edit "we'll see how quality of a 5th album wilhelm scream put out comparitively to strung out's 5th album, exile in oblivion"

paul

karasu (August 16, 2005)

Bands with a following suck.

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

strung out have tried metallic punk three times, and succeeded admirably twice.

exile in oblivion is an amazing metallic punk record and kicks the shit out of 'mute print' which i am also a big fan of. I love both bands, but im sorry, overall, I gotta hand it to strung out. will see how quality wilhelm screams 5th album will be.

also, strung out's 1999 ep 'the element of sonic defiance' was their first shot at metallic punk and any fan of the genre that didnt' like that ep is on rocks.

finally, yea, american paradox was spotty, but it was a transistion album, from their poppy skatepunk to their new heavier sound they realized much more fully on 'exile'.

don't trash strung out, no fucking need and uncalled for, those guys have to put up w/ enough shit, being pigeonholed as 'fat punk' or 'skate punk'.

they were probably the best performance of the day at warped tour this year, and thye are always stellar live.

also, i think MCS new album absolutely lived up to the first, its darker lyrically and not as goofy, but i'll be damned if its not a very solid sophmore album.

finally, i bet this album is good. that 'morrissey' song is pretty sweet. i look forward to seeing if this lives up to the standard of mute print.

paul

CrookedSuperhero (August 16, 2005)

Yes, please stop reviewing. Maybe then we won't have to read these adverts.

rkl (August 16, 2005)

Wilhelm Scream - Ruiner
Posted by Anonymous on 2005-08-16 02:09:10

first of all, strung out fucking defines melodic technical punk.

also, for the record, strung out doesnt come close to defining melodic techinical punk, unless you subscribe to the false belief that there was no music before 1998. anyone who thinks strung out is innovative is just kidding themselves.
(try listening to some rkl, kids)

theundergroundscene (August 16, 2005)

for the record,

when i say metallic and hardcore punk rock, i am referring to their two latest albums, an american paradox and exile in oblivion, both of which have a much harder and darker sound than their previous records

i personally am a huge fan of twisted by design and suburban teenage wasteland blues, but those are far more pop-punk-oriented than metal (yes, i'm aware "bring out your dead" is a full-on metal song)

aubin (August 16, 2005)

Strung Out tried to play metallic and technical punk rock, but ultimately failed.

You had me agreeing with you for most of that review, but I would submit both Twisted By Design and Suburban Teenage Wasteland Blues as proof that Strung Out succeeded. The more recent stuff hasn't been as outright amazing as those two records, but to call them failures is overly harsh.

That said, the Wilhelm Scream record is very good.

sickboi (August 16, 2005)

I bet this isn't at Best Buy today.

Shit, I had to go to fucking TOWER for Mute Print.

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

someone do a one life crew cd review.....

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

Not as good as the first or as good as people are saying, album of the year? Please-oldpunker-

Ignitedude (August 16, 2005)

Album of the year

theundergroundscene (August 16, 2005)

but i do admit i messed up the sophomore slump thing

OH MAN GUESS I DIDNT DO MY RESEARCH I AM JUST AN IDIOT AND SHOULD STOP REVIEWING RIGHT CROOKY AND VAQUERO!

hahahah, you guys can go fuck yourselves

theundergroundscene (August 16, 2005)

hahahaha yesssssssss

i love you ALL!!

strung out sucks now!! muhahahahahah

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

Didnt mr jon teves sing on the album?

CrookedSuperhero (August 16, 2005)

Good god, 4 and a half stars? This sites reviews are just getting stupid. Not as good as Comeback Kid though. Hahahahaha.

Average. Loses a point for that wine song, which is easily a contender for worst song of the year. And the lyrics are shit.

stevejonestherealbones (August 16, 2005)

no.

no.

no.

seriously.

no.

no.

why? no. dont answer that. no.

this is ...no.

doesnt make sense.

no.

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

- even absolutepunk pushes this. no.

ElVaquero (August 16, 2005)

I could say a lot of things about the review. None of them would be positive.

Instead of that, I'll just say it's way too hype-arific and hyperbole-happy. Needs perspective. But I guess it's a punk album on a punk website so what should I expect..

ElVaquero (August 16, 2005)

Nothing really stood out for me like some of the songs did on Mute Print. Having a handful of awesome tracks and a bunch of meh tracks is still better than (Ruiner) having no memorable tracks at all.

corpseofmymotivation (August 16, 2005)

"When did they fail?!?"

With their last album. That shit was awful.

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

"Remember when Strung Out tried to play metallic and technical punk rock, but ultimately failed?"

When did they fail?!? Where is the simialarity?!? Get your stuff together before writing review ...

corpseofmymotivation (August 16, 2005)

Anything > AWS

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

Strung Out > * This score is also for Strung Out.

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

Oh, and Dead Poetic want their shitty artwork back

-bemused-

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

Bagging on Strung Out is not cool dude, not cool at all. Score is for Jason, Jake, Chris, Rob and Jordan:-)

-bemused-

bizzlebrizzle (August 16, 2005)

face it, AWS is just better than Strung Out. And I'm saying this as a fan of Strung Out...take their last album, it's shitty when compared to Ruiner or Mute Print. I did like the first few songs off the last sturng out record, but by the time I was listening to the 15th track or whatever it got pretty fucking boring.

AWS is better than Strung Out. Face it, dick freckles.

There's not even any similarity...

AWS is untalented trash, with too much faggy back-up vocals.

bizzlebrizzle (August 16, 2005)

Please tell me that "Less Bright Eyes, More Deicide" isn't mocking Paint it Black...

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

face it, AWS is just better than Strung Out. And I'm saying this as a fan of Strung Out...take their last album, it's shitty when compared to Ruiner or Mute Print. I did like the first few songs off the last sturng out record, but by the time I was listening to the 15th track or whatever it got pretty fucking boring.

AWS is better than Strung Out. Face it, dick freckles.

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

What a fucking douchebag. Strung Out...fail. Riiiight. Score is for the reviewer.

bizzlebrizzle (August 16, 2005)

When did Strung Out fail at what they're doing?

Seriously why do you insist on comparing this shitty band to Strung Out? It makes me hate AWS even more.

LMChc (August 16, 2005)

something tells me "less bright eyes, more deicide" is a worse song than "less deicide, more minor threat."

lol_omg_wtf_nambla (August 16, 2005)

The new stuff sounded great when they played with Larry Arms last month, I'm way stoked to hear it recorded. Not a bad review, although it looks like you struck a nerve with that Strung Out comment. Come on folks, is anyone reallly going to stand here and tell me that American Paradox was better than Suburban Teenage Wasteland Blues? Anyone? Come on I dare ya!

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

first of all, strung out fucking defines melodic technical punk.

second of all, a wilhelm scream has at least two full lengths and an EP before mute print. do your fucking research.

thirdly, a wilhelm scream fucking RULES.

yayforapathy (August 16, 2005)

By then I meant Mute Print.

yayforapathy (August 16, 2005)

Umm, it's their third album dude. That would mean that the sophmore slump wold have happened then. I'm pretty sure "The Benefits Of Thinking Outloud" was their first album. Am I wrong?

GreenVandal (August 16, 2005)

I hate overhyping. This is nothing more then decent melodic hardcore, and overproduced plastic sounding melodic hardcore at that. This has been done a thousand times over and better. A good release though, although not a 9 by any stretch of the imagination.

piratasmuertas (August 16, 2005)

Strung Out fail? What?!

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

O.k review... minus the strung out shit... theyve always been ahead of everything around them. love this record!

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

wow, that's some score. you sure?

wehavecomeforyourchildren (August 16, 2005)

i'm a geek and didn't want to listen to any of the songs that the band didn't release online until i had the actual album in my hands. if it's not in my mailbox tomorrow i'm gonna be pissed though.

i would have just bought it at a record store but the only one we've got is sir jam-a-lot's on martin luther king jr blvd...i don't think they're gonna have it.

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

good review. good album. hot shit

AlmostPunkEnough (August 16, 2005)

great fucking album.

Anonymous (August 16, 2005)

"Remember when Strung Out tried to play metallic and technical punk rock, but ultimately failed?"

right.........................................in which world did they fail to try and play technical punk rock?

etwiels88 (August 16, 2005)

I've had this for awhile now. Definitely not an album of the year like most places are raving, but good none the less.

psychoos231 (August 16, 2005)

Pretty good album from a fun live band

andrew13 (August 16, 2005)

great stuff... i love this band...

inagreendase (August 16, 2005)

Quite good. What else is new.

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