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Against Me!: Searching For A Former ClaritySearching For A Former Clarity (2005)
Fat Wreck Chords

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I remember the first time I met Against Me!, I was scheduled for an interview, and this was shortly after the release of ...Eternal Cowboy. The band was playing at a tiny little venue in Toronto, just a staircase away from a dimly lit pub. Even though I knew the band was fairly young, having listene.
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I remember the first time I met Against Me!, I was scheduled for an interview, and this was shortly after the release of ...Eternal Cowboy. The band was playing at a tiny little venue in Toronto, just a staircase away from a dimly lit pub. Even though I knew the band was fairly young, having listened to ...Axl Rose and particularly The Acoustic EP, I had an image formed in my head of a quartet of grizzled punk lifers, looking each day like they had spent the previous sleeping on a street corner.

The band itself didn't really match my mental image, and I was temporarily taken aback by the young band, who seemed to possess a musical maturity that belied their ages. I was scheduled for what the local Fat rep, Melanie Kaye, called a "round table" interview, which meant that I was supposed to trade off questions with other writers. Personally, I'm not terribly fond of these types of interviews, finding that my relatively quiet demeanor makes it difficult to interject frequently with questions. Only two of us had arrived at that point, the other looking like a slightly cleaner Keith Morris, and myself. The other interviewer was pretty aggressive but also pretty gracious, and gave me ample opportunity to ask some questions, very few of which were particularly insightful. Still, the interview went well enough and I had enough material for a story.

It wasn't until a week later that I learned that the sound check had drowned out the little material I had, making the interview completely inaudible. However, losing that interview was no great loss, particularly when compared to what I didn't even think to record: After our chat was over, I had a few moments to waste. My girlfriend was currently at the hospital, tending to a sick father who had just undergone an angioplasty, and I was to arrive there in about an hour. So I suggested to the band that I buy them a drink as we waited for our mutual obligations.

True to form, the band each bought the closest thing to a Guinness, a thick Irish stout that had the consistency of a milkshake; I bought a light beer, imagining that my drunk appearance at the hospital would probably be less than cordial. It wasn't until we sat down with our pints that I actually saw the real band; Tom, Warren and I sat and talked; we discussed the legacy of Johnny Cash who had passed away a few weeks earlier; we talked about the Clash, women, punk rock, anarchists and the vehement anger of the "anarchist" punks who slashed their tires, vandalized their van and generally attacked them at each venue of their tour. This wasn't a ploy for sympathy or something they hoped I would publish but the honest revelations of a bunch of guys sitting around drinking.

That image popped into my head last week as I stood in what Toby called a "bear bar" in San Francisco, a bar where he received a call from Tom describing their recent experience playing in front of thousands of people on their date with Green Day. I didn't hear the conversation, but apparently Tom felt that it went well but was nevertheless a daunting experience. This is doubtless, considering the band probably performed in front of more people that night then they drew on that entire first tour.

But the seemingly sudden rise of Against Me! is nothing if not deserved. Each album has seen the band reinvent itself, with the songwriting becoming more varied and more mature. A larger palette seemed to accompany each release, and new revelations with each word. The Acoustic EP was sparse, minimalistic and startlingly clear; Axl Rose brought about a bigger sound, but you could still hear the ringing of the guitar strings between each note. With Cowboy, the band brought even more to the table, with a louder, more dominating band.

With this release, the evolution of the band has certainly continued. Each track is startlingly dense and J.Robbins has given the band an almost impenetrable wall of sound. Unlike the simple shout-along melodies that adorned previous albums, ...Clarity demands repeated listens far more than any previous album. That's not to say the band has abandoned their crowd-energizing anthems though; tracks like "From Her Lips To God's Ears" with its chant of "Condoleeza!" will certainly have their share of audience participation.

When I first heard a few tracks from the album, my immediate reaction was to compare the band to the Replacements, and I think the comparison still stands; like Westerberg's seminal band, the band seems to incorporate punk rock, country and folk, but with Clarity it seems the band has finally managed to fuse these elements seamlessly in a single track. Songs like "Violence" and "Unprotected Sex With Multiple Partners" do this almost effortlessly (though I must confess that the latter disappoints a little with a somewhat annoying chorus, despite a great opening and confessional lyrics.)

With the exception of that track's chorus, however, the album is uniformly solid. Lyrically, the band is treading into more personal territory, with "Pretty Girls" and "How Low" addressing similar relationship territory to Cowboy's "Sink, Florida Sink." Internal turmoil and self-loathing are also well represented, with songs like "How Low" and the title track showing Tom at his most painfully confessional.

The political feelings of the band are represented, but the band takes a far more individualistic tone, focusing lyrics on the effects of politics on real people. A track like "Justin" eschews complex political diatribes, instead discussing the Iraq war as it pertains to the recruiting, death and media coverage of a single soldier. As well, the events that were documented in last year's DVD are also addressed with many allusions to the dirty politics of the music business, a situation into which the band has been thrust far too violently.

Against Me! has quickly gone from a great band with a small but devoted fanbase to a large one, almost despite the band's efforts to grow gradually. Listening to the record, I still find it hard to believe that this album was written by some guy I sat around drinking with; it's ambitious, fully realized and truly special. It's also a conflicted record; it's filled with internal ruminations, raw emotions and a distancing wall of sound, but it is nevertheless their most thoughtful and accomplished piece of songwriting and a record that grows more rewarding with each listen.

 

 
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Mrcips (August 15, 2012)

In my ear's this is the best album of all time

nocomply (November 18, 2011)

Personally, I think this album was AM! hitting their stride.

froggerwithmylife (June 19, 2009)

It's okay. Doesn't really grab me. (Then again none of Against Me!'s records really do)

PtvnSux94 (December 3, 2008)

I agree with Tommy, best album.

damienbigfoot (August 13, 2008)

I'll probably be hung for this, but, this is my favorite Against Me! album

TommyPickles (March 20, 2008)

Say what you want but I think this is Against Me's best album.

xshoutoutx (October 5, 2007)

"searching for a former clarity" is a song i hold dear to me, eventhough this cd is mediocre for AM!, it's still very well composed! I love them!

Squidy (April 27, 2007)

truely amazing album.

mike_litt69 (February 9, 2007)

i really liked this album. it wasnt as good as their older stuff but it was still damn good. definetly better than "eternal cowboy". this album seemed a lot more politically charged than their last release. it also seemed to have more songs that were genuine and written from the heart. "from her lips to god" is a well writen political song and "problems" and "searching for a former clarity" seemed to capture the raw emotional side of tom gabel.

EverybodyLies (February 4, 2007)

Damn. I wish I could get hold of the "stolen demos". So far I've had no luck. *cries* D:

One of my favourite bands since a friend introduced me into them a while back. Awesome lyrics and catchy feel!

My favourite of their albums would have to be Reinventing Axl Rose.

assgoblin (January 7, 2007)

I don't know about you guys, but Against Me! definetly dropped off after they signed to Fat. Don't get me wrong it is still good music, but it is no where near as influential as their early recordings.

assgoblin (January 7, 2007)

I don't know about you guys, but Against Me! definetly dropped off after they signed to Fat. Don't get me wrong it is still good music, but it is no where near as influential as their early recordings.

BANGARANG (November 25, 2006)

great review.

Stefano (September 6, 2006)

i never liked against me! never got into them,didn't think they sucked but never thought anything they played,wrote or sang about was exciting in the least. i've heard them,seen them,yeah.nada,nothing.

i had the chance to go on the warped tour for a few weeks this past summer with an amazing bunch of people. saw against me! and what really hit me was "CONDOLEEEZZZZZZZZZZZAAAAAAAAA" god damn that shit was good. i ended up having some spare loot and picked up what was recommended as the better record "searching for a former clarity". on the way back to new york in a sweaty,hot van i tried to listen to the record and thought it was good at best. picked up the new another breath which desrtoyed anything in my cd player for a month onend till i randomlly popped in the against me! record and had it playing for over two months non stop till all my cd's got stolen from work.

this record is a masterpiece.fuck yes,it is.

ABedForLiars (September 2, 2006)

Wow, this album is briliant. They created a masterpiece without selling out. Unlike some idiots, I'm sticking by them and their Sire release next year.

I love this album. FUCKING MIAMI!!!

larold (July 14, 2006)

oh boo hoo they signed to a major...good for them! cry if they change their sound on the next record on the major....thats the only time people should bitch about things like that.

kill_fftl (May 10, 2006)

to bad they sold out

PacePicante (March 25, 2006)

I definately think that this is their worst CD
It has like 3 good songs
some mediocre songs
and some really shitty songs like Justin and How Low

Anonymous (March 19, 2006)

damn i jus herd the demo of this....its so much better the production on the album makes his voice so irritating

GlassPipeMurder (March 16, 2006)

"This record is the "London Calling" of this generation."

Why are people on this site such idiots?

nikko (February 4, 2006)

has anyone even read the lyrics to "Even At Our Worst We're Still Better Than Most (The Roller)" seems to be about a lot of people in here.As for them signing to a new label they were already being called sell outs for being on fat wreck chords which is ridiculous.this may not be the greatest album ever but its really not that bad.

Anonymous (January 8, 2006)

Hey,

Admittedly, I was kind of pissed off when I first heard As The Eternal Cowboy. It's very different, and one could argue, selling out.

But honestly, at least they're changing. I don't want an anarchist AC/DC that never changes.

Also, they're charging more for tickets, CDs, whatever. A lot of people bitch about this. Honestly, have you ever tried to be a working artist, musician, actor, band, whatever? If you have a serious problem with them for this, then you probably haven't.

Word up, starving fucking sucks. Driving those "million miles" to a show sucks. Living in a shithole sucks. Living in a bad neighborhoods sucks and is scary.

It's not easy being an artist in America when the general society mocks and belittles everything you're trying to do. It's even harder when the people you're trying to reach out to give you shit when they don't even begin to understand.

So yeah, I'm defending the band. Anyone who has actually tried to do more than just be a scenester should.

Anonymous (December 29, 2005)

Also-don't be pissed at them for changing.
Tom wrote alot of those songs (like Reinventing Axl Rose) at a very young age.
Anyone who plays music knows that your style changes as you write,especially over the span of 4 or 5 years.
It's expected.
It's not the old acoustic stuff,but it still dosen't suck.
If they didn't change you'd be pissed that this record was more of the same.

Anonymous (December 29, 2005)

I really enjoyed this album, especially after hearing that "stolen" demo that included a bunch of tracks from it.
I was shocked to hear that they signed to Sire,but listening to this record again,the lyrics pretty much shout it out to us.
The songs show him growing farther and farther from how things used to be,and signing to Sire is the culmination of all this distance.
Does anyone else see this?

justinius23 (December 13, 2005)

first of all, i'd like to say that this is the first against me! album i ever listened to. before i had only heard 'pints of guinness make you strong' and 'cliche guevara' on compilation cd's.

i don't know anything about the members of against me!, their politics or what they they were like or did before they got 'signed'.

i have listened to 'searching...' for two months straight now and all i can say is that it is a fantastic album. i honestly cannot find a fault with it.

and yes, i have ordered all their earlier stuff, i just hope it is as good as this record

warningdevice (December 7, 2005)

This record is the "London Calling" of this generation. These guys truely are something original in a music scene that is packed with shitty bands that think they're original... when they're really just a carbon copy of every band they look up to. I strongly reccomend you buy this record... NOW!

Anonymous (December 6, 2005)

"against me! used to be gloriously amazing back in the day. now they come out with songs like ‘Even At Our Worst We're Still Better Than Most (The Roller)’ first of all, that’s one of the stupidest song names I’ve ever heard. well ok maybe it’s just pretty far up the list. anyway, listen to these pathetic whiny annoying hopeless pussy lyrics that make you want to punch a fucking baby

You can have it all, I ain't got the heart to fight, no.
Total exhaustion, complete breakdown. For the asshole I am,
apologies in full, please leave me alone.
Pull over the van, let me out...."

-----------------------------

Man, someone got some sand stuck up in their asshole.

Anonymous (November 4, 2005)

Do yourself a favor and don't buy this cd. Save your money for This Bike Is A Pipe Bomb and Defiance, Ohio cds.

Anonymous (October 25, 2005)

extremely dissapointed, but i still absolutly love this band and what they did for the punk scene. The only song that reminds me of the Against Me! that i know is Problems

Anonymous (October 24, 2005)

Dear Haters...

Please shut up. Try to actually listen to this record. It's good. We only wish that other bands out there displayed this level of sincerity.

Yours truly,

EVERYONE ELSE

Anonymous (October 23, 2005)

against me! used to be gloriously amazing back in the day. now they come out with songs like ‘Even At Our Worst We're Still Better Than Most (The Roller)’ first of all, that’s one of the stupidest song names I’ve ever heard. well ok maybe it’s just pretty far up the list. anyway, listen to these pathetic whiny annoying hopeless pussy lyrics that make you want to punch a fucking baby

You can have it all, I ain't got the heart to fight, no.
Total exhaustion, complete breakdown. For the asshole I am,
apologies in full, please leave me alone.
Pull over the van, let me out.

And we'll give the money back, to the record label.
Fire the agent, fire the manager.
We ain't got what it takes, to make it.
We got indifference, got no respect for them.
Feels like you already said so much,
feels like you can never say enough.
Let someone else take our place,
let them be your entertainment.

I MEAN SERIUOSLY PEOPLE! THIS IS NOT THE AGAINST ME I KNOW! WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO SONGS LIKE

"Reinventing Axl Rose"

We want a band that plays loud and hard every night
That doesn't care how many people are counted at the door
That would travel one million miles and ask for nothing more than a plate of food and a place to rest
They'd strike chords that cut like a knife
It would mean so much more than t-shirts or a ticket stub
They'd stop at nothing short of a massacre
Everyone would leave with the memory that there was no place else in the world
And this was where they always belonged
We would dance like no one was watching
With one fist in the air

FUCK!!!!

I am officially giving up hope on this band. they are dead to me.

prankish (October 18, 2005)

Against Me! doesn't have to "surpass" their previous albums in order to make a great fucking record. If nothing else, SFAFC should get you excited to hear some of their old tracks remastered.

The album lags a bit in the middle, but some of the tracks are the best they've ever produced. Miami, for one, is fucking unbelievable.

marky6045 (October 14, 2005)

This album is very good, but not on par with RAR or the Acoustic Ep. I suggest you buy those two and Vivada Vis, and skip As the Eternal Cowboy.

Anonymous (October 4, 2005)

okay, here's the truth. you can save yourself a lot of time and money on the Against Me! catalog by buying only "Reinventing Axl Rose" and the Acoustic EP, both on vinyl. They will never surpass these two records.

Anonymous (October 1, 2005)

Not a perfect score because of the horns in Miami... sheeeesh.

Anonymous (September 26, 2005)

Wow! I think this is at least as good as As the Eternal Cowboy. nice to finally listen to something other than the Sufjan stevens and New Pornographers albums-that is actually good in 2005!

-bemused-

Anonymous (September 21, 2005)

Keep on working your 9 to 5s and trashing bands that are doing what they love and probably what you'd love to be doing yourself that is if you had the love or the talent, you leeches.

dogshit (September 15, 2005)

all of the shit that gets said on the internet.... it's cool. you have to believe in it for it to upset you. BUT..... i fucking double dog dare you to actually talk this kind of shit face to face with the people in the band. it's easy to do in the comfort of your home on the computer with no one around, but how do you think it would go down actually looking someone in the eye and telling them how much they suck? do you think you could do it? tell them why you personally hate a group of people that play music. please tell them! be brave.... you can do it! get off of your computer and actually learn to interact. try it. the results would be way more interesting than a bunch of tangents posted on a messageboard that consists of people with way to much time on their hands. (me included)

Anonymous (September 15, 2005)

i fucking double dog dare you to actually say some of the shit you are saying (safely typing on your computer) to any of the members of this band. see how brave you are when you actually have to look into someones eyes and discuss something. i guarantee you that you won't be so brave. please do it and see what happens. please. argue with them about how they are sellouts, and see how they respond. have ACTUAL human contact, cause my friends.....this shit is not actual human contact.

Anonymous (September 15, 2005)

i fucking double dog dare you to actually say some of the shit you are saying (safely typing on your computer) to any of the members of this band. see how brave you are when you actually have to look into someones eyes and discuss something. i guarantee you that you won't be so brave. please do it and see what happens. please. argue with them about how they are sellouts, and see how they respond. have ACTUAL human contact, cause my friends.....this shit is not actual human contact.

Anonymous (September 15, 2005)

i fucking double dog dare you to actually say some of the shit you are saying (safely typing on your computer) to any of the members of this band. see how brave you are when you actually have to look into someones eyes and discuss something. i guarantee you that you won't be so brave. please do it and see what happens. please. argue with them about how they are sellouts, and see how they respond. have ACTUAL human contact, cause my friends.....this shit is not actual human contact.

Anonymous (September 14, 2005)

you guys have no idea what shitbags these guys are. they are awful human beings, just awful.

Anonymous (September 11, 2005)

I love this album and I love their old stuff, but on different levels. It's two completely different sounds and they shouldn't really be compared.

I just can't wait until November to see this on the Fat Tour. It will be fucking amazing.

Anonymous (September 11, 2005)

I thought music was about unity, but perhaps I was wrong. Who cares if you grew up in a barn, or if you were born into money, or if you like to go to dance clubs. No one cares.

There are four people in AM! They make music to make themselves happy and people happen to enjoy it. They don't owe any of you anything.

It is easy to see where their motivation for "Don't Lose Touch" came from.

Anonymous (September 10, 2005)

The more I listen to the album the more I am coming to the conclusion that it is really something special. I would have never thought I would have used the word "beautiful" to describe an Against Me! album.

Anonymous (September 10, 2005)

Condaleeza is more mature and intelligent than any song Anti-Flag ever wrote.

Anonymous (September 10, 2005)

You people are ridiculous! This is an amazing album, it might not be "Reinventing Axl Rose" but it's much better than "As the Eternal Cowboy" (which was also awesome). Instead of worrying about Against Me "selling out" (Because Fat Wreck Chords might as well be Sony, Shell, Walmart, and McDonalds all wrapped up into one, right?) spend your time worrying about something that actually matters.

Anonymous (September 10, 2005)

Pretty decent album.
HOWEVER, Against ME! should stay away from politics.
-or at least stay away from writing unbelievably simple-minded, seemingly mandatory Bush bashing songs. (A Fat Wreck contract requirement?)
I cringe (and sometimes laugh) every time I listen to Track 5 when they are hollering "Condoleeza".
I'm a big fan of Against Me! and I listen to many political bands but, damn, I thought they were more mature than this.
Dillinger Four is an example of a band that handles politics in an intelligent way.
My advice to Against Me! is to stick to the personal lyrics and stay away from the high school politics. It really doesn't suit them.

Anonymous (September 10, 2005)

FUCK THIS BAND. FUCK THIS REVIEW. FUCK THIS SITE.
-love pitchfork

Anonymous (September 9, 2005)

this band fucking blows!

Anonymous (September 9, 2005)

"This is the internet. It's not possible to walk on the internet. However, you can talk on the internet. This is why you're only seeing talk, and no walk. When modern science allows us to walk on the internet, and whoever-the-fuck you're quoting doesn't walk, then what you're saying won't be stupid as hell."

My favorite quote too - and it's even making fun of me!

the_wang (September 9, 2005)

all the haters have aids. aids, aids, aids.

Anonymous (September 9, 2005)

will is punx. well just till he gets outta High school. Then he'll toss all his minor threat shirts.

You have a band will? I bet all the "anrachy" folk will not dig it

Anonymous (September 9, 2005)

"it's like their primary influence was the kill bill soundtrack"

if someone can tell me what that means, i would appreciate it. I'm being genuine here.

Cause right now i feel like I walked mid-stream into a conversation that has already been going on and all I have to go on is "....but maybe frogs are supposed to bend like that"
and its a book club, and they are reviewing the color purple, and my brain now has to make that make sense, but if you CAN connect those dots you might find the answer or you might make a dot matrix of god's name backwards which makes your nose start to bleed and your mind wrap itself around things you can't process, and its like that movie 'the gate' with the whole backwards song gates of hell thing.

Incidentally, While I still find eternal cowboy a car wreck of a record, an identity crisis for against me no longer just the tom show, but still not sure of how to work as a larger band in a studio, I have to admit, this record which will never be given a chance with the taste eternal left in mouths, is actually really solid. Compare the short # of short hurried songs on eternal with this batch of long, developed, full songs, now confident as a full band. I do like it.

wyzo

Anonymous (September 9, 2005)

Score is for Little Britain. Also I just wanted to add one more post on here cause i sorta feel bad for AM! cause it doesnt seem they get enought attention on this board....no one seems to post comments when it comes too them.

fattony (September 9, 2005)

Great album, though not as consistent as their previous releases. This will still probably make it into my top 10, but the competition this year isn't that stiff.

aubin (September 9, 2005)

This is the internet. It's not possible to walk on the internet. However, you can talk on the internet. This is why you're only seeing talk, and no walk. When modern science allows us to walk on the internet, and whoever-the-fuck you're quoting doesn't walk, then what you're saying won't be stupid as hell.

My favourite comment under this review, hands down.

wehavecomeforyourchildren (September 8, 2005)

oh yea, and dillinger four are the best band ever. i mean it. seriously. they are the BEST band ever.

wehavecomeforyourchildren (September 8, 2005)

i really wanted to like this cd. i REALLY wanted to like it. i only liked two songs on eternal cowboy but i was hoping they'd win me back. i started listening to against me years ago when it was just tom and some guy on drums (not warren) and i saw them when they were on tour.

but this album just sounds fake to me. it's like their primary influence was the kill bill soundtrack. why is tom doing that goofy shit with his voice half the time? what is with "miami! fucking miami!" who thinks that shit is good?

i still didn't write it off after the first four songs turned me way off, i trudged on. and luckily i discovered that some of the songs towards the end are better. tracks 9, 11, 12, and 14 are all alright. and maybe they'll grow on me more. but most of this just seems gimmicky.

fistchode (September 8, 2005)

This is the internet. It's not possible to walk on the internet. However, you can talk on the internet. This is why you're only seeing talk, and no walk. When modern science allows us to walk on the internet, and whoever-the-fuck you're quoting doesn't walk, then what you're saying won't be stupid as hell.

Anonymous (September 8, 2005)

"I don't plan on staying young forever, but I will try to uphold my personal ideas of what's right and what's not. If I find something not feasible or unrealistic, I'll probably try to fix it, but so far I've known lots of people who have reached 25 without abandoning their ideals."

Lots of talk, not much walk.

SenorRefresco (September 8, 2005)

"Justin" sounds kind of similair to "Jesus Doesn't Want Me For a Sunbeam" by the Vaselines. Am I the only one that thinks this.

AlmostPunkEnough (September 8, 2005)

holy shit jones, what did you do down there??

what the fuck is going on haha?

stevejonestherealbones (September 8, 2005)

what the fuck was that shit all about down there.

anyway, yeah Will. if you ever get it online, i'ld like to hear it

- joneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees

Anonymous (September 8, 2005)

Hahaha, now you can't sass me anymore.

-Will

Anonymous (September 8, 2005)

"Hey, thanks for showing me that post from Chris PIX....

I still think they need to get off their DIY high-horse, lead by example, not by calling people out."

Who are they calling out? Show me one example of this? What DIY high-horse? They don't do any namecalling to anyone- they simply say what they feel is right and live by that.

Anonymous (September 8, 2005)

Steve, none of it's online right now. If you want me to email you when it is, I'd be glad to. I released a "trisect split" in a limited quantity of 50 copies once... It's very weird stuff, and you might dig it if you appreciate extreme minimalism and weirdnesscore. Oddly enough, no one who sets up shows has a copy, and I don't care, because they're mostly assholes.

SickBoi, I would melt down the rocketcar and communally distribute it among the people!

-Will

Anonymous (September 8, 2005)

Steve, none of it's online right now. If you want me to email you when it is, I'd be glad to. I released a "trisect split" in a limited quantity of 50 copies once... It's very weird stuff, and you might dig it if you appreciate extreme minimalism and weirdnesscore. Oddly enough, no one who sets up shows has a copy, and I don't care, because they're mostly assholes.

SickBoi, I would melt down the rocketcar and communally distribute it among the people!

-Will

stevejonestherealbones (September 8, 2005)

will,

are you in a band/make music? is any of it online?

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

sickboi (September 8, 2005)

Come on Will, you'd sell out...

Why? Three words:

Soild Gold Rocketcar

Anonymous (September 8, 2005)

I'm not upper-middle class at all. My parents didn't buy me a car, I have to save up for college, and I wasn't born with a trustfund. I live in a house that got renovated from a barn forty years ago. While I don't have to worry about getting shot by gangs or drug dealers, I don't have a lot of the comforts many of my suburban peers do. I'm not trying to garner pitty, either, I'm just clearing up the popular misconception on this web site that I hole up on the computer using mommy's bank card to order records all day. I'm on the computer as much as I am because I'm in advanced writing courses.

I don't plan on staying young forever, but I will try to uphold my personal ideas of what's right and what's not. If I find something not feasible or unrealistic, I'll probably try to fix it, but so far I've known lots of people who have reached 25 without abandoning their ideals.

I can't say what I'd do if I got the chance to hit it rich and make money off my music. I don't think I'd be able to do that without changing my style. So I'd definitely understand if people lost respect for me.

-Will

Anonymous (September 8, 2005)

I pre-ordered this from No Idea and dont have it yet...

Anonymous (September 8, 2005)

The more I listen to this, the more I like it

AlmostPunkEnough (September 8, 2005)

i read BSD's comments and i wanna respond, then i read Dante's and he already said what i was going to. i hate you Dante.

i'll say that i used to believe in a lot of what you say, Will. but when i got older i realized that a lot of it is only good in theory. it's not fun when they cut your electircity every few months, when they turn off your heat or when you get kicked out of your apartment. i don't know your financial situation, but i assume you're at least upper-middle class. hopefully you'll always stay that way. if you don't, you'll 'get it' real quick, you gotta do what you gotta do so you don't get your ass booted on the street.

i'm not looking to ever be rich, though that would be nice. i do, however, work too much just so i can barely be comfortable. if i ever got the chance to 'sell out' somehow, i don't know if i could turn it down. i have no aspirations of being famous, i don't think i would like it, so we'll leave that out. but staying true to what you believe is hard, and life gets in the way more than you would think.

i'm not gonan say you're immature, in fact, i think you're remarkably well-spoken. more than any other 17 year old here, and moreso than me. you bring up a lot of valid points, but you also make some points only a 17 year old could truly believe. you seem to think things through well, and as you get older and life kicks you in the balls, i think you'll respond well. but your ideals will change with time, even four or five years. and if you honestly think that isn't true, then i can't take you as seriously as you would like to be taken.

as stupid as it sounds, trying to be a decent human being is harder than staying true to any jackass 'punk' ethos.

SomeoneAnonymous (September 8, 2005)

I just bought this cd and I've only listened to it once, but I like it a lot already. You peeps are CUH-RAZY!!!

REALPUNX4LIFE (September 8, 2005)

"'Music is one of the few art forms that now costs thousands of dollars to create.'

bach begs to differ."

No way, those Skid Row records were way overproduced. You're an idiot if you think Bach didn't mind spending money to make money.

PS That guy said music is NOW one of the few art forms. Johann Sebastian Bach don't got shit on NOW, dumdum. It's like you're disagreeing with that guy by agreeing with him. Awesome!

PPS Sebastian Bach don't got shit on now, either.

Anonymous (September 8, 2005)

Paying for Music is like Paying for Sex. Eff That!

Anonymous (September 8, 2005)

BUY MUSIC. Who Does That?

Anonymous (September 8, 2005)

Honestly. Fuck Green Day, Fuck H20, Fuck Franz Ferdinand, Fuck The New Lows and Fuck Spiderman 2 .

Anonymous (September 8, 2005)

The music video for "Don't Lose Touch" literally had a shoe-string budget. I mean come on guys. We know you are gonna cash in on us having nothing better to listen to. Make me want to buy your music!

Anonymous (September 8, 2005)

"Unprotected Casual Sex With Multiple Partners" rocks. Its Against Me!'s "Take Me Out" or "Cold Shivers" which ever overrated band you want to compare them to today.

Russe11 (September 8, 2005)

Honestly people don't question a bands integrity unless there latest release is (in the listeneners opinion) a shitty album. Thats where H20 failed, and dillinger 4 succeeded.

Russe11 (September 8, 2005)

Because every dillinger four album pwns.

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

Do yourself a favor and order 3 albums by This Bike Is A Pipe Bomb and spend it on those instead of getting this album. Not that SFAFC is the worst ablum I've heard in a long time but is definitely not up to par with their other albums. I really like this band and I have been let down with this cd.

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

The 3 tracks on "The Disco Before the Breakdown" is better than all 14 tracks put together.

stevejonestherealbones (September 7, 2005)

i'm holding in my shit right now, that way it will feel really good when i have to leave it in the toilet

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

elliot (September 7, 2005)

this album is the bomb. seriously. that last song gave me chills. all these songs are strong in their own way.

has anyone even considered the possibility that the disco/franz ferdinand parts in "unprotected sex" could have been purposely ironic, since that song is an attack on the current state of the music business? not too hard, people....

to everyone talking shit: i dare you to start a band, make some amazing albums, and then take a huge chance with your music, yet still maintain your sound. you won't be able to. but against me did.

swingline (September 7, 2005)

sad to say but this is kind of gay.

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

Because Dillinger Four fought God and won! They can do whatever they want.

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

"Music is one of the few art forms that now costs thousands of dollars to create."

bach begs to differ.

geoffweobb (September 7, 2005)

Blah, Blah, fucking Blah- Good album!

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

I'm quite sure Dillnger Four have played arenas with Green Day as well. Why does no one question their integrity?

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

"Against Me! didn't sell out."

Oh right, they bought in, my mistake.

stevejonestherealbones (September 7, 2005)

i wish you guys would both hit "enter" more often when you went on rants.

- jones the bones

- stecvejones8770@yahoo.com

Dante3000 (September 7, 2005)

This appears to be going somewhere in circles. Here is what you seem to be forgeting. Music is one of the few art forms that now costs thousands of dollars to create. I beleive art and money shouldn't be joined unconditionally but at the same time how do you suppose a band get any message put out there?
It costs money to get instruments. Money to get a practice space or at least somewhere to practice. Money to produce, press, ship, and indeed shelve and album. And it takes a shit load of money to tour. No band has ever broken up because they aren't making enough money with music, they do it because their jobs don't make enough money to support the most expensive hobby ever.
As for AM! laying down their integrity. I spoke with Tom after EC came out and asked if he felt any conflict about it. He said the guys at No Idea were his friends and it was a great experience to be able to put out records with your friends. He said when they agreed (not signed, I don't believe they ever actually had a contract) to put out a record with Fat (oh in addition Toby offered the band a Seven inch Tom pushed the whole album) he wanted to make sure it was a company he supported. Tom knows that Fat is a different deal that No Idea but at the same time they do some amazing work. He knows that when AM! records are sold now that money helps keep the 20 staff members of Fat employed and he knows they're treated fairly at their job. He knows Fat doesn't use sweatshop labor even though it's cheaper. He knows that by releasing an album on Fat they can have their music produced better and heard by more people without feeling that the profits from their record sales were supporting questionable companies. And mostly (and I quote) he knows he, "Can call them at three in the morning, Flordia time, and talk to them drunk".
I know last time I talked to them they all worked different jobs and still used a van (maybe a camper) to tour. There was no bus driver and no limo. Perhaps there will be a shared bus on the Fat Tour I don't know.
I do feel a lot of great bands have made a living and great music without sacrificing one or the other but I fail to see how AM! has done so. Perhaps they don't embrace anarchy as fully as they once seemed to. Perhaps they sell more records than they once did. Shit, maybe they even played a stadium show with Green Day. But at the end of the day these are four guys who have worked harder than damn near anyone in music today. And I fail to see how any of what they have done has changed their message. I'll admitt it's more focused. Where "Y'all Don't Wanna Step to Dis" was much broader and focused on general political issues much of SFAFC is much more about instances and particulars. And I'm ending this here...This is too long and it's too random to continue.
-Dante

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

to the guy who posted this

J"ust out of curiosity, what are these great bands that you like? Are they contemporary or just like The Clash or the entire SST catalog? I mean, there are conflicting opinions about AM!'s recent releases, but I really haven't heard many people label their old stuff merely "ok". In my endless quest for great music, any help from a kind old sage would be extremely helpful"

well I actually am very much into almost the entire SST catalog i.e. Bad Brains, certain Black Flag albums (not the ones you'd think), Husker Du, Minutemen/Mike Watt etc. also I'm very into Big Black, Shellac and Steve Albini's stuff in general, FEAR is a big favorite of mine, X is as well, Gorrilla Biscuits, Minor Threat, Fugazi, Butthole Surfers, Meat Puppets etc. By the way, I loved London Calling but alot of the rest of the Clash's records get on my nerves. As far as contemporary bands, there aren't many due to the fact that punk rock has long become a joke that mocks what it once stood for for so many kids. I did like some of the early Hot Water Music records but they got pretty tired sounding around No Division. I admit that I liked Mute Print alot by A Wilhelm Scream but I kind of despise their new record, way overuse of harmonies and the songwriting is not on par with their older stuff. I like Sleater Kinney alot as well. Like I said, Against Me! were an ok band...not too hot not too cold. There's plenty of older music out there that I haven't heard yet so I consider my money better spend on better bands. I don't just listen to "punk" or what you'd at least like to think is punk so I get to see alot of shows, smaller ones only...that are still good.

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

I totally agree with Will on this one

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

Yeah, but you're assuming I find stuff questionable... Plenty of my friends have lost places. Hell, when a band breaks up telling people they weren't making enough money, I tell them that they were in it for the wrong reasons. Making a living is important, and while I don't feel that people have to (I feel fortunate for being able to categorize and number auto parts), I think it's a healthier way to live. I just don't think that business and art have any place mixing- especially with something that supposed to be destroying that way of thinking.

That's where the big difference will be. If you think of punk as something with the potential to create/destroy on a large scale, you will kind of lose respect for the business tactics of many music companies. If you just like to hear some "catchy tunes", then you won't mind the stuff being sold in chains and advertised on TV or radio.

My personal opinion runs somewhere in middle. I like the Hives, and they definitely aren't a grass roots anti-corporate rock band. Then again, they never told me I was a spineless liberal or sang about creating a global underground. Even though I don't usually think a band being sold in chains is that bad, when the band pretends to represent some ideals (and Against Me! used to, you can make an argument against that with their new stuff, but "Crimes" and "Reinventing" definitely played to the anarchist crowd around here and many other places), it's dissapointing when they just lay down and kill their integrity. Does this say anything about Fat, really? No, I think that's a really extremist way of thinking, since Fat itself doesn't push for a mainstream audience. I think the ambition is all on part of Tom and the rest of the band.

Say what you will about "making a living", but I don't think that should have anything to do with making music. Plenty of underground bands have stuck to their guns and carved out memorable, lasting marks in music.

-Will

McGarnicle (September 7, 2005)

""We'll bordinate the marketing?"

Any point you were trying to make was lost by use of the word "bordinate." Against Me! may be sellouts, but they dont make up words.

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Yeah, everyone knows only the Steve Miller Band gets away with making up words.

SenorRefresco (September 7, 2005)

Against Me! didn't sell out.

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

""We'll bordinate the marketing?"

Any point you were trying to make was lost by use of the word "bordinate." Against Me! may be sellouts, but they dont make up words.

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

Dante for the win.

Dante3000 (September 7, 2005)

Will, I don't discount your comments on music (though we rarely see eye to eye on such matters). I'm talking about your comments regarding most business politics and DIY ethics. It’s easy to make such comments when you’ve never run a business or had to worry about where your next meal comes from. It’s simple to think that the commoditization of punk music by a record label is a cardinal sin if you’ve never had to worry about making ends meet.
I’m glad you work, I can respect anyone who does anything to pay any part of their own way. However, working when you’re 17 is a whole different ball game than working at 23. I’ve had a job ever since I was 14 and I thought I was the shit at 14 making $6.75 at Safeway bagging people’s groceries. And while it is nice to have your own money to buy your own stuff (instead of kids who do nothing to earn money) it’s not earning a living. When you’ve known a friend who has faced or been evicted you understand why some people will do some things you used to consider questionable for money (not meaning drug dealing). I hope you keep your attitude Will, because in 10 years I can actually see you forming it with some real world experience to makes some pretty solid (and functional) moral and political beliefs. However, at 17 everything you say sounds slightly convoluted.
-Dante

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

Your mom is a 7.
I agree that it's a 9, not quite the 10 this site handed out to it.
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WHAT? That was just lame ma'am

The debut album is not that great. Gets kindof boring at times.

Baby, I'm an Anarchist! and 8 Full Hours of Sleep are terrible

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

"And I think most of the "real punks" I knew folded the minute thier first rent check was due. Now I'm not saying anyone here will do that. However, it is my reason for taking a 17 year olds political stance too seriously.
-Dante"

1) I work inventories at auto shops. I don't have to pay my rent, but I pay for some of my food and most certainly any music I've bought for the last year and a half.

2) I'm sure when you were my age, you didn't expect what you said- about music of all fucking things- to count, because of your situation. If you did, you're most certainly an asshole, because I know a lot of 25 year olds who, while I'm not "buddy-buddy" with, don't dismiss my opinions because I'm a teenager. That's what parents and teachers are for.

-Will

McGarnicle (September 7, 2005)

the lyrics in this are horrible...touring with Jimmy Eat World and Green Day? No Thanks! I know what happens to bands like these:

- they started out as a good band, pretty regular, not bad but not too good either

- they got the No Idea records Gainesville thing going with them

- They put out that dumb Axl Rose album and got some attention from slickly produced boring Fat Rex

- All of a sudden these guys are all over the place and they're cutting medicocre records

- flavor of the months syndrome kicks in, the fans who thought the band was special loose intrest with the hype and the stadium tours with Green Day etc.

- newer younger fans tkae hold of something that seems edgy and "punk rock" then get bored soon

- you don't hear anything from them for a while, the cut a few albums that go unnotice and then make their stupid comeback

see H20, Pennywise etc. for examples

I won't buy in

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Just out of curiosity, what are these great bands that you like? Are they contemporary or just like The Clash or the entire SST catalog? I mean, there are conflicting opinions about AM!'s recent releases, but I really haven't heard many people label their old stuff merely "ok". In my endless quest for great music, any help from a kind old sage would be extremely helpful.

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

I wonder if the new propagandhi will top this album?

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

"AXL was a 7"

Your mom is a 7.
I agree that it's a 9, not quite the 10 this site handed out to it.

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

The lyrics are better than ever before. My favorite part of Against Me! was the singalong choruses, and unfortunately this CD has very few. This makes it harder to get into any individual song right away, but this album definitely gets better with every listen. The last two full-lengths from this band were simple and easy and stuck to you the first time. You have to digest these to really appreciate them.

REALPUNX4LIFE (September 7, 2005)

Well I'd say the first half of your quote is very tongue-in-cheek. All those PIX board babies were crying about that song right after they rushed to download it the second it leaked. I think that part is fucking hilarious. "We totally sold out the scene!" They're playing on the way that people perceive them now. The second half is either their reasoning for these moves or just a comment on the way that the "scene" operates these days.

Should I replace "scene" with "business"?

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

i think against me is trying to tell us something. with lyrics like ""Mediocrity Gets You Pears (The Shaker)"

There's a target on the audience
We're only in it for the money.
We took the movement to the market.
We totally sold out."

"We'll bordinate the marketing,
label publicity touring.
Consult the representation, go ahead put this in context.
It's 3 points on production, 15% to management,
10% to the agent, 5% to legal representation.
We gotta a insurance, never make it as far as you can.
Gotta make your money while you got the chance,
do whatever it takes to sell it."

perhaps they realize that they have to comprimise to make a decent living. or something, i don' t know... but there are all kinds of clues relating to this througout the album

psychoos231 (September 7, 2005)

AXL was a 7

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

This cd disappoints me... about as much as Cowboy disappointed me after Axl Rose. So that's not saying too much, because Axl was the definition of a 9/10. This is still a decent album, but I was expecting more. Maybe that was unfair, but I don't apologize for setting high standards for bands who've raised them before.

- Optimistic Punk, age 25

poopypants (September 7, 2005)

all of you have dick 4's on your heads

paul

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

Score is for your comment Jonesy. Pat yourself on the back

MrStabone (September 7, 2005)

"- flavor of the months syndrome kicks in, the fans who thought the band was special loose intrest with the hype and the stadium tours with Green Day etc."

it amazes me how playing one show with Green Day equals touring stadiums

you people are seriously fucking nuts to care so much about stuff that doesn't even effect you

i give no fucks

wehavecomeforyourchildren (September 7, 2005)

as far as the whole plan-it x thing is concerned, who gives a fuck if they've got records in the stores when you can order them postage paid for something like three dollars online?

there is absolutely no reason to badmouth plan-it x. "if it ain't cheap, it ain't punk!" i wish more labels thought like that.

....although i will admit that when bands charge more for cds and make more off cds, they have more time to make music, which benefits fans. more bands break up over money related stress than people realize. touring is expensive and in a world where everyone else has great sounding recordings, lots of bands get caught up in paying for that too.

plan-it x is still chill.

wehavecomeforyourchildren (September 7, 2005)

"Disco only had 3 songs right? Ony the title track was good the other two were shit off that."

shut the fuck up, you brain dead motherfucker.

sorry if track one was the only song that could hold your attention, but the other two were just as good. "begining in an ending" was better. did you even give the other songs a chance? did you read the lyrics? fuck off.

Dante3000 (September 7, 2005)

Sickboi I'm only 23...Sorry grandpa. But if it makes you feel any better I apparently look like I'm fucking dying. My first day of work someone asked if I was 26 and another asked if I was 30 something, christ my looks are going town the toilet faster than an unwanted pregnancy on prom night.
Oh, by the way, where do you work? I'm at a museum right now, education is Punx rawk!
-Dante
P.S. I'm soo sorry for some many things in that post.

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

this album is good. none of you have got the balls to be punk anyway so stop talkin shit!

poopypants (September 7, 2005)

i like that its long...one of my biggest gripes w/ 'eternal cowboy' was how short it was

also, the lyrics to 'dont lose touch' are not bad at all, its a pretty accurate statement to the way we live today; see also: punknews.org threads about diy ethics....perhas we ARE taking ourselves a little to seriously?

paul

Scruffy (September 7, 2005)

I like that it's long. I miss the time when most punk albums that came out had at least 14 songs on them. I love spending ten bucks and getting so much music I almost need two sittings to listen to it all.

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

"but why is it so goddamn long?"

too make up for lost time. and the dazed stare we were all in after cowboy

stevejonestherealbones (September 7, 2005)

see H20, Pennywise etc. for examples

pennywise?

what the eff? i thought i was not supposed to like pennywise because they never change their sound/style/lyrics, not because they sold out and ditched what they were doing or got too popular... i mean, ifuck, its so hard to keep track of what bands i'm supposed to hate and for what reasons around here.

i mean for christsakes, i was expecting to bash MCR in that video thread, but i read the comments and i found out i had to figure out a way to say the video is good, but the music sucks!!

its so hard to keep my likes and dislikes straight around here!!

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

stevejonestherealbones (September 7, 2005)

"What I'm really concerned about is the lack of growling on this record.

-Scott"

you silly bitch.

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

I don't think the lyrics are that bad but that song is awful. Pretty much every other song is great, however, and after about three or four listens this becomes better than any of their other cds.

justatango (September 7, 2005)

good record..
but why is it so goddamn long?

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

the lyrics in this are horrible...touring with Jimmy Eat World and Green Day? No Thanks! I know what happens to bands like these:

- they started out as a good band, pretty regular, not bad but not too good either

- they got the No Idea records Gainesville thing going with them

- They put out that dumb Axl Rose album and got some attention from slickly produced boring Fat Rex

- All of a sudden these guys are all over the place and they're cutting medicocre records

- flavor of the months syndrome kicks in, the fans who thought the band was special loose intrest with the hype and the stadium tours with Green Day etc.

- newer younger fans tkae hold of something that seems edgy and "punk rock" then get bored soon

- you don't hear anything from them for a while, the cut a few albums that go unnotice and then make their stupid comeback

see H20, Pennywise etc. for examples

I won't buy in

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

The lyrics to "Dont Lose Touch" are so bad that it makes me cringe... anyone else agree?

maverick (September 7, 2005)

What I'm really concerned about is the lack of growling on this record.

-Scott

Scruffy (September 7, 2005)

Also:

"My gripe is that it's seriously easy to pitch around high morales and politics if you've never paid you're own bills. That isn't to say you suddenly become a capitalist republican the minute you have rent "

Here, here. I became waaaay more liberal when I started to have to pay my own rent. That could be because it coincided with moving out of my parents' house to a liberal college, or it could be because I started to care about what happened to my money and the world I was now actually living in.

Also, I can't believe I'm participating in such an obvious threadjack, so...this is a good album.

sickboi (September 7, 2005)

I think the whole disagreement comes with people thinking music shouldn't be a business. But without it being a business, tours are harder, good record distro is harder, and more bands break up.

Scruffy (September 7, 2005)

I know kids like this that manage to keep their DIY ideals when they're on their own. BUT...
They do it by living on other people's couches and not helping with the bills.
Or living off of their loans.
I hate it when I work 40 hours a week and, before I graduated sent all my overage back so I'd have less debt, and some people get to do so much more than me because of their loans. Oh well, I'll have my loans paid off a good ten years before they do.
I am NOT slamming DIY ideals, I just don't think the whole "I disagree with working a job" ideal is the only way to maintain your ethics.

sickboi (September 7, 2005)

So, Dante, we're both 25 and work non-profit. Weird.

poopypants (September 7, 2005)

oh yea, and speaking as a 25 year old, it is about 10000000times easier to be 'punk rock' when you're in highschool or college.

paul

poopypants (September 7, 2005)

oh and i think that guy meant that 'this place is run by a handful of bunch children'. i think

paul

Dante3000 (September 7, 2005)

I'm not badmouthing DIY ethhics or practices. I thought (and still do) that PIX is a pretty impressive label for doing what they do. I think they sound a little to high on the DIY horse sometimes but I don't know if I could ever recall them shitting on some other label/band.
My gripe is that it's seriously easy to pitch around high morales and politics if you've never paid you're own bills. That isn't to say you suddenly become a capitalist republican the minute you have rent (I work for a fucking non-profit). However, I don't think I can recall one person who didn't pitch around their politics on DIY, and things in general, a little easier in High School than in college. And I think most of the "real punks" I knew folded the minute thier first rent check was due. Now I'm not saying anyone here will do that. However, it is my reason for taking a 17 year olds political stance too seriously.
-Dante

poopypants (September 7, 2005)

you guys have a whole lot to say don't you?...well...at least a whole lot to type.

i feel bad for those of you who don't like this. i got it yesterday and it exceeds all my expectations. i think it kicks the shit out of 'eternal cowboy' which i thought was a solid album, but not as mindblowing as the hype made it seem. granted 'turn those clapping hands..' and 'cliche guevera' were 2 of my favorite songs of 2003...

on this album they went more in the vein of 'turn those clapping hands' ...aka...epic sounding AM! songs, which is a great thing. the album is much more solid and has a better flow. the middle part of 'eternal cowboy' to me was totally forgettable. this is strong the whole way through.

joy, problems, miami, violence, justin, don't lose touch...just after one listen and not having the track listing in front of me and those songs still really stick out in my memory. not one bad song.

definately one of the years best, and i would not be surprised to see this end up in a lot of top 5 lists for the year.

have yet to see them live...

paul

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

i bet justin is about JUSTIN SANE selling out!!!

sickboi (September 7, 2005)

Just picked this up last night...
Reminds me a lot of "Axl"....

Some points:

1. "Justin", "Problems", and "Energizer" are REALLY good live.
2. "Energizer" and "Don't Loose Touch" are my 2 favorite songs.
3. Bathing is in, stinkiness is out. We'll see what 2006 holds.
4. DIY is cool, cheap shots at other DIY labels for not adhering to your own "ethics" is lame.
5. 'Eternal Cowboy' was a lot more commerical-friendly than this.
6. AM! has mastered "giddy-up-core" on this album.

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

i'll be honest i respect will's musical opinion most of the time but his opinion on other things is a different story .......he talks sooo much shit about middleclass people and alll that stuff...but i have a theory that he is actually very well off...i may be wrong but this is what i figure..... we all know he is like 16 or 17.... so this means he doesnt really have a good job or old enough to have his own credit card.... which means he must borrow his parents cc to buy all those rare records and cds he has....and we all know he has a shitload....so as much shit as he talks he lives off of his parents money.....if i am wrong will correct me

AlmostPunkEnough (September 7, 2005)

please don't respond to BSD's stupidity, it only feeds his ego. and yes, i know this post is only feedibng him more.

plan-it-x has a bunch of great bands.

"a bunch children"?? how do you miss 3 complete keystrokes?

anarchaeologist (September 7, 2005)

This place is run by a bunch children.

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

I think the boys in AM! are cute.

fistchode (September 7, 2005)

It seems that people here think its impossible to live DIY, or think DIY when not living in your parents basement.

It's not true, it's just harder. I'm not saying I'm a shining example for it (I'll soon be teaching upper middle class Japanese kids english), but just because you don't want to try, or think it's stupid to try doesn't give you the right to dismiss people who're trying. to do this shit. Like, for fuck's sake, if someone's calling you on your shit, why not just explain your point of view? And marginalizing someone's opinion as "young, stupid and smelly" is not doing that.

Also, commodifying punk bands is putting the focus on the album as opposed to the band. It's doing publicity for the album to make it sell more. It's a focus on selling the product in any way possible (like Epitaph's links with Best Buy, or selling a toned down, kid friendly punk image) as opposed to making music available. I think lots of independent labels do this. I don't think Fat is one of the worst offenders though.

bobbett (September 7, 2005)

i like this record. a lot. i'm a big fan of their earlier lp's, the eps and demo stuff, but i still like this record. the songs themselves are solid. some of them do seem to drag on a little too long on the first few listens, but the more i listen to it, the more i pick up on things i didn't hear the first few times. the sequencing on this is pretty damn flawless, too.

i actually like will, i think his points are usually spot on. that's not to say that sickboi's or anyone else's aren't, but will does make good points that shouldn't simply be dismissed because of his age, employment status, etc. i agree with him that it would be best to do things on a diy basis, but i can't see any justification for besmirching a band just because they want to join a strong indie label such as fat or jade tree. i've found good bands through both word of mouth as well as the devilish internet.

p.s. did anybody that pre-ordered the vinyl on no idea had this show up in the mail yet?

thepuglife (September 7, 2005)

the melody's are nowhere near as creative as everything else they've ever done.

its not a bad cd, but i'm dissapointed because in the past they've written some of the best songs i've ever heard.

blade-runner (September 7, 2005)

I think i'm incapable of bad mouthing Against Me! so my opinion may be slightly biased.

Anyhow, This is fucking awesome.

REALPUNX4LIFE (September 7, 2005)

Alright let's stop fucking around and get to the real discussion: The Mouse on Mars remix of "Don't Lose Touch": Extremely awesome or just really awesome? I say extremely. Now that I have my actual copy of this record in beautiful gatefold with white and black records (and the fabled "[Rumored]" on the second LP jacket... Joey Lawrence says what?) I'm a better person. I have class in a few hours but when I got home and found the package from Fat on my porch, I had to stay up to hear the real deal. Oddly enough, it's more annoying to listen to than the radio edit because my roommate's stereo and speakers suck so much. Crap! But that remix... oh snap!

Anonymous (September 7, 2005)

ok... the two songs to download... i don't like. They're more southern rock then punk or folk or alt-country or whatever they're calling it. Yet I still hold out some hope for the rest of the album. Is there good reason. I loved Reinventing.. but found Eternal Cowboy outside of sink, florida sink, not as captivating. Is this album worth pursuing if I really disliked eternal cowboy?

Anchors (September 7, 2005)

Will has less redeeming value than Paris Hilton.

kirbypuckett (September 6, 2005)

I think people have a bad opinion towards "Justin" because of it's initial cheesey sound.

In the song the lyric about "Yahoo" and "E-Mail" standout as clear as day, so they are easily drilled in people's head.

My frist impression was 'who talks about the Internet in a rock song?!?!'

Once the song settles in and you understand what it is all about it has a much greater impact and those lines are not as silly.

- Kirby

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

To better understand the song 'Justin' it is better to hear the lyrics in there entirety:

"You know Justin, well Justin's dead.
And Yahoo won't let his family have access to his email account,
the new's reporter said.
"I feel so bad for you, it's so awkward.
There's really nothing I can say..." (cuts to commercial) "...Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays from net working its affiliates".
So where's the divide?"

granted... this song struck me weird at first too... but, once you read the lyrics and understand the point that Tom was trying to make ... it is a much more meaningful song. Disagree if you want to... but, at least read all of the lyrics and not just the "yahoo/e-mail" part.

RiseAbove (September 6, 2005)

As much as I like this band I have to agree that it's definitely a disappointment and not as good as their previous releases. I've only listened to the album once through and I have a feeling that it will probably grow on me in time although I wasn't really impressed with any tracks on the album so far, I'd have to say "Don't Lose Touch" is my current favorite. I am still a curious why they didn't take the exact tracks from the Stolen Demo and throw them on the cd, they screwed up some really good material, especially what they did to "Problems". I also feel they they didn't put much into the cd cover and booklet, it looks like they used a copy machine when making it, I mean Cds don't cost much to make they could atleast give up something better than what we got. Also, the lyrics to "Justin" are just something I would not expect from a band like Against Me! my friend, her sister, and I couldn't stop laughing at how strange the lyrics are, they truely sound like a caption on an internet article. All and all it wasn't a bad release but I expected more than what I got, I guess I shouldn't keep my hopes up. Not a total waste of $11, I'll score it a 5.

tylerdurden8136 (September 6, 2005)

first off, let me just say that this is one of the best reviews i've ever read. for some reason or another, it hooked me in like a good story and i read the entire thing (which is actually pretty spectacular since i was doing so in class while trying to avoid a roaming professor) ...but anyways, i'm glad to see this album get a fair review. i saw a lot of bashing going on earlier during other against me! news posts, and i honestly couldn't understand why. true, i'm a newbie to against me!, but i thank this amazing album for opening my ears to their greatness.

Dante3000 (September 6, 2005)

Two points for your Will. I mention how you're a fucking freeloader with no concept of real world workings or self reliance and that you freel use these ideals that are meaningless in principle if not practiced and you bring up that I mentioned my girlfriend. Woah! You must be like captian of your high school debate team.
-Dante

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

Oh, Dante has a girlfriend! I'm so impressed!

How old are you? I never imagined that you'd be this fucking juvenile...

And Scott: Well, just look at how you write. You're a tool of the music industry. Kind of like an American NME. Hey, that rhymes! In any case, I disagree with your attempts at trendsetting, but I still thought you were above the idea of trying to make Punknews posting "exclusive"... Get over yourself. I'm sure there are plenty of crappy indie bands out there for you to discover and tell us how much we HAVE to love them. Get to work.

-Will

fritobandito (September 6, 2005)

so to settle the PIX thing with my ever-important opinion: PIX is pretty much the last major bulwark of DIY punk out there right now. yes, I know there are other DIY punk labels (i have my own), but they are the fortress amiss our tents.

don't shit-talk PIX.

and there really isn't an AM! vs. PIX feud. some kids on the board bitch about it, but Chris sure as shit doesn't, he's cool with it. yeah, personally, I think it's fucked up, but if AM! doesn't care, PIX doesn't care, why the fuck should I?

or YOU!?

darkstarm (September 6, 2005)

"You attacking people for being smelly and unclean shows that you're just as blind as who you supposedly hate..."

Dude are you really defending people for being smelly? You suck.

I'm going to buy this soon. I love Problems, I don't like Don't Lose Touch. We'll see.

BearVsShark rules.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

Ah, the peculiar third full-length album. After a band has released an exceptional first LP, fans eagerly await a second outing. Groups all to often fall into the sophomore slump, in which the second album is nowhere near as good as the first, and is usually just a rehash of their older material. Now, while its safe to say that Against Me!’s second full-length (The Eternal Cowboy) was in no way bad, or a rehash of their older material, it stilled lacked something. It was too short; it lacked the passion of Reinventing Axl Rose.

So what of the third album? The third album has to be a turning point for a band. The Clash’s brilliant London Calling saw an ensemble reinvent itself, and proved to be their most successful, and best album. The Lawrence Arms’ Apathy and Exhaustion is also a good example of a change in sound. The album is faster and more polished.

It’s safe to say that Searching For A Former Clarity is nothing like any of Against Me!’s older work. Like the Clash and the Lawrence Arms, the band has reinvented itself. Whereas these two bands still retained a feeling of atmosphere on their previous albums, you should disregard even considering this album as being the same band that released Rose three years ago. That said, ironically, it is the band’s best release. At 47 minutes, it feels epic; focused. The opening track, Miami, has an intro that feels suspenseful. After hearing it however, it is clear that they have taken the song writing in a different direction then 2003’s Cowboy.

The album can best be described, for lack of a better word, as dancy. It is catchier (proof shown in the song “From her lips to God’s ears”), more chorus driven (“Unprotected sex with multiple partners”), and much more musical (“Justin”, “Violence”). Lyrically, singer Tom Gabel has become more literal. Whereas songs on Crime and Rose were more poetic and metaphorical, he talks more about real events, and personal experience on this CD (the death of a soldier in “Justin”, coming to terms with death in “Searching For A Former Clarity”). There are also recurring themes in the album (the aforementioned death, but also aids in songs “Pretty Girls” and the title track.)

The tunes are much more thought out this time around. Instead of your standard two-minute rocker; songs are longer, yet more memorable then previous releases. They incorporate more harmonies and guitar riffs, and James sings a lot more as well. The production, while high, increases the intensity of the songs and makes them more easily accessible. Though it is nothing like anything you’ve heard by Against Me! before, it still feels right; like it makes sense.

That’s not to say the album doesn’t have any mistakes. The embarrassing left speaker scream of “Fucking Travelling!” in “Problems” doesn’t make sense and feels out of place. The shameful “Don’t Lose Touch”, while catchy, could be the worst Against Me! song ever written; and the whisper of the chorus in “Unprotected Sex” is just confusing. My biggest complaint with the album is that too many songs are a response to the backlash the band has been getting from fans. One song is acceptable, but three is pushing it. However, even these blunders can be overlooked by the overall feel of the album.

So yes, the band has reinvented themselves with Clarity. If they had remade Cowboy or Rose, chances are you would be tired of hearing the same songs over and over again. It’s good for a band to change and evolve. We would miss out on some of the best albums ever if the Clash kept making their Self Titled debut over and over again.

The band has moved in a new direction. They have made some questionable errors in the business world, but if you accept this and move on, the album is actually spectacular. Violence could be one of the greatest Against Me! songs ever written, as well as Miami and the title track.

Is it worth buying? I think so. If you like Against Me! you might not like this, and it might not be the best choice of album to get into them with, but give it a chance and you will recognize its brilliance.

9/10

Best songs:
Miami
Violence
Clarity

Worst songs:
Don’t Lose Touch
Problems
Holy Shit!

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

Great album, has some of the best against me! songs ever written, but also some of the worst (dont lose touch). All in all, its easily better then EC.

Oh, and the girl singing in How Low? is Genevieve Tremblay from the band Fifth Hour Hero

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

Please don't put Epitaph and Fat in the same league. They might have had way too-similar rosters in the late 90's, but for real, there is a Major difference in ideologies. There is a reason that Fat is still covered in MRR and Epitaph is not...mainly because Fat offers bands 1-record deals, pays its bills legitimately and doesn't suck major label dick. Mike makes money, but that is about the only similarity to Brett. Epitaph is an entirely different story, so please do not lump them together just because they have had similar sounds and rosters in the past.

Dante3000 (September 6, 2005)

I would Will, but I'm busy with my job and my girlfriend and my actual life. So maybe when I'm done with that I'll amuse you with an educate and experienced look at corporate marketing. And besides shouldn't you be making some bitchy little elitist/idealist comments about some band/label that actually works harder than you could ever imagine?
OH WAIT...my bad you're all over that one.
-Dante

maverick (September 6, 2005)

Okay, let's settle this once and for all:

Jones The Bones = rules.
CrookedSuperhero = can get really annoying and is way too British sometimes, but still a worthwhile member of this community.
Will = teh sux0rz.

I mediate. This is what I do.

-Scott

BlAquaCadetZstyles (September 6, 2005)

And yeah, I caught the Franz vibe off of Unprotected as well at first. Not really a bad vibe to give off, Franz is pretty good in really small doses, and that opening is the perfect small dose.

BlAquaCadetZstyles (September 6, 2005)

Not as good as the other stuff. Still better than 90% of what will be released this year.

But who's that lady singing on How Low? I'd put money on her being really hot.

lol_omg_wtf_nambla (September 6, 2005)

What you said was "Fat and Epitaph commodifying punk/supporting a mindless consumer society is what pisses people off". I suppose you expected me to infer that you were attributing that thought to the hypothetical crusty punks you were defending, but there's not really anything in that statement to lead me in that direction. You said it as if it was a fact that Fat/Epitaph commodify punk/support a mindless consumer society, and so I addressed it as such. It was that "is" thing that threw me I think.

anarchaeologist (September 6, 2005)

Against Who?

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

In any case, I never said that Fat and Epitaph support a "mindless consumer society", that's what I said was the opinion of most of the people who stand against them.

Way to be illiterate jackasses.

By the way, Dante, shouldn't you be decrying the Chicken Fry commercial band?

-Will

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

"Not to support those claims about Fat and Epitaph too much, as Fat is easily my favorite label, but there is that Punk Confidential or whatever it's called that Fat Mike does. Basically, a People Magazine, only about punk stars! That's kinda lame.
But with a roster that includes The Lawrence Arms, Dillinger Four, Against Me!, Propaghandi, Strung Out, Strike Anywhere and a ton more than I care to remember right now, it's more than forgiveable."

I agree, Fat Wreck is currently my favorite label

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

Really it's just music after all...........

I don't care what anyone says, Unprotected sounds very similar to Franz.

Scruffy (September 6, 2005)

Will's not old enough to live on his own yet.

Dante3000 (September 6, 2005)

Poll of the hour:
Does Will actually have a job, or is he just a "live at home have mommie and daddy support me and have high winded political views" punk rock mastermind?
-Dante

Scruffy (September 6, 2005)

Not to support those claims about Fat and Epitaph too much, as Fat is easily my favorite label, but there is that Punk Confidential or whatever it's called that Fat Mike does. Basically, a People Magazine, only about punk stars! That's kinda lame.
But with a roster that includes The Lawrence Arms, Dillinger Four, Against Me!, Propaghandi, Strung Out, Strike Anywhere and a ton more than I care to remember right now, it's more than forgiveable.

lol_omg_wtf_nambla (September 6, 2005)

Will, you're killin' me. How do Fat and Epitaph promote a mindless consumer society? They both have relatively diverse offerings (considering they're genre labels) and make those diverse offerings readily available to those who want to buy them. They're cheaper than most too. If a lot of consumers want to listen to Against Me! or Bad Religion or whatever why does that make them mindless? Maybe these bands have good things to say that people respond to. Maybe it's NOT all a conspiracy against you.

jamespastepunk (September 6, 2005)

Fat and Epitaph commodifying punk/supporting a mindless consumer society is what pisses people off.

The sad part is you actually believe that.

Scruffy (September 6, 2005)

I don't care nearly enough to read throught these posts, so I don't expect anyone else to do the same. Maybe a few people will read this while it's at the top, but here are my thoughts:
I wasn't sure if I was going to buy this or not. I'm not the biggest fan of Against Me!, and the two songs released so far (Problems, Don't Lose Touch) weren't very good. Halfway to work today, however, I realized that I'd forgotten my back pack (Don't ask how, I just did.) So I had no CDs to keep me sane at work. So I bought this on break.
Those two songs are the worst songs on this album (save for Justin. The lyrics, eww). If I'd have heard Miami, From Her Lips To God's Ears or the title track, just to name a few, instead of Problems and Don't Lose Touch, I'd have been looking forward to buying it instead of wondering if I should. I'm not in love with it, but if all you've heard are the two Fat-released mp3s, try to find more. I do not regret buying this at all.

boba_fett (September 6, 2005)

i knew that with everybody trashing it that it couldnt possibly be that bad. i like it.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

"Grow up kids, take a bath and a get a fucking job."

Dude, no one gives you assholes shit for living the way you do. It's your choice to do what you fucking want... You having jobs doesn't damage a way of life for people. Fat and Epitaph commodifying punk/supporting a mindless consumer society is what pisses people off.

Even if you don't personally believe that, don't attack peoples' lifestyles when all they're doing is trying to stick to their word. Don't attack people for making YOU feel like a hypocrite.

You attacking people for being smelly and unclean shows that you're just as blind as who you supposedly hate...

-Will

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

Good album.
WAY TO PRODUCED
and i agree the singer has lost his edge and their lyrics aren't as good in this one.
but i still enjoy it.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

against me care about black people?

SenorRefresco (September 6, 2005)

Against Me! just posted this bulletin on myspace:

Hey Friends!

We've added a second Gainesville, FL date to our string of record release shows on THURSDAY, September 8th and ALL PROCEEDS will go to The Hurricane Katrina Disaster Relief fund!

Please come out to support the cause!!

THURSDAY, September 8th @ Common Grounds Gainesville, FL

ALL PROCEEDS GO TO THE HURRICANE KATRINA DISASTER RELIEF FUND!

take care,
Against Me!

That's really cool that they're doing that.

SenorRefresco (September 6, 2005)

Don't Lose Touch has grown on me, and the video is actually kind of brilliant when you think about it. Well, maybe not brilliant, but it's clever.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

it was beautiful. i'm tired of you people.

gregs (September 6, 2005)

I hated this album after the first 2 spins. But after a while, it has grown on me. It's a very solid album once you get used to the fact it's mostly mid-tempo stuff. No way do I think it's any kind of step up in quality or creativity, but a good album nonetheless. Just a different type of album from them. Not quite what I expected, but it will do.

I agree with many others that the chorus to "Unprotected..." is awful, and "Don't Lose Touch" isn't a very good song and surprising choice for a single.

I don't get why everyone thinks they are going to blow up in the mainstream with this album. This material does not give me that impression at all

kirbypuckett (September 6, 2005)

Sickboi said it best below...

Grow up kids, take a bath and a get a fucking job.

I hate digipacks, but this is really nice. The design is simple while maintaining a really awesome look.

- Kirby

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

"Best Against Me! album, easily. That's after one listen.

5/5. Album of the year. Suck it down."
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100% agree.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

score is for the so-called "review." Dude, where's the review? Who cares about you buying Tom a pint, or that you drank a light beer?

Benjasauruss (September 6, 2005)

"Hey, thanks for showing me that post from Chris PIX....

I still think they need to get off their DIY high-horse, lead by example, not by calling people out."

Who are they calling out? Show me one example of this? What DIY high-horse? They don't do any namecalling to anyone- they simply say what they feel is right and live by that.

sciulli (September 6, 2005)

Best Against Me! album, easily. That's after one listen.

5/5. Album of the year. Suck it down.

Benjasauruss (September 6, 2005)

"Personally, I think he's a tad bitter. He can say what he wants about not wanting to make money, but at the end of the month, when he's short on cash for bills, I bet he's cursing Fat Mike and AM! ..."

I mean, I wouldn't say bitter. He makes more than enough money to keep the label running and still do amazing things like Plan-It-X Fest (nearly every active band on the label touring the country in a school bus). I'd feel a bit betrayed if a band that I poured money into and welcomed as friends suddenly decided to fuck me over and take the cd I helped them put out when they were small away from my label. It's kind of like when Green Day got big- they did a very good thing by keeping Kerplunk on Lookout records for as long as they did (more than ten years).

I think it's hilarious that one of the only labels that truly practices what they preach gets shit-talked for being elitist, when they aren't in the slightest, simply for being true to their word.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

"Searching for a Former Clarity", heh, at least they are honest.

The first thing I immediately felt about this album is that I do not like the lead singer's voice anymore, in comparison to Reinventing Axel Rose. I think this is from the production value or something, but it seems he has lost a certain edge or roughness or even snarl to his voice, I dunno, I don't like it.

Like other's have said, it does have its moments, unfortunately they won't be repeated by me because I have already deleted it off iTunes after my second listen. I hate to be the person that says "their older stuff was way better", but in this case, it's true.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

this band is not good.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

Hey, thanks for showing me that post from Chris PIX....

I still think they need to get off their DIY high-horse, lead by example, not by calling people out.

Kenjamin (September 6, 2005)

yay for everyone throwing in their 2 cents!!! this band will break up and you will all be sad (most of you).

lol_omg_wtf_nambla (September 6, 2005)

I really dig this album, but I do have to say it doesn't speak to me in the way their last two did. It seems like Against Me! is having just a little less fun with this album, and that's dissapointing. I certainly don't think it's their best, but it's a damn good album anyway. Here's hoping they can keep it up for a long time now.

SenorRefresco (September 6, 2005)

A post by Chris from PIX on their boards:

http://www.hijinx.nu/pix/index.php?PHPSESSID=76704f56f bcf748a4103f5a133597caf&topic=5311.0

I think it's just the nimrods on the message boards that are assholes, not PIX themselves.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

Just go to bestbuy.

-Me

-Me

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

Keeping something cheap does not automatically make it DIY. Its one thing when Epitaph (or any other major) charges $15 for a CD with a press-run of 100,000, it's quite another when the basement show charges $7 so the band from sweden can put enough petrol in thier tank to make it to the next show. I'd rather pay an extra buck or two at a show or buy the $4 7'' than have my favorite bands quit because they are losing so much money they can't sustain themselves on meager DIY dollars.

On that note, if you are punk AT ALL, buy some fucking records through www.soundideadistribution.com or any other independent distro and support the people who are willing to take chances on the youngest and most obcure bands out there. Its the people like these who help the next Against Me! s get heard in the first place, not Best Buy.

-Ken

-Ken

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

"Best punk album of the year so far and maybe the best album of any genre. It blows the last record and even 'Reinventing Axl Rose' out of the water. This band is important in a way that punk music hasn't been important in years."

is this a joke? its hard to tell on the internet. if this is a serious comment, care to explain in what way against me is more important than any punk band in years?
_______________________________________________

Sure. I'll explain it. They're completely fresh. They also have meaningful content that comes across as from the heart. Anyone can sing about the topics they cover but none of them sound sincere about it. They are also exceptionally good and will go very far. They will do important things on their terms and become very successfull at it. Kind of reminds me of the Clash.

stevejonestherealbones (September 6, 2005)

i copied and pasted this:

stered, [and] missing a harmony vocal" of a song taken from their long-awaited, forthcoming full-length Three Cheers For Disappointment, due in early October. No word on if a l

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

sickboi (September 6, 2005)

Hey Bartley, if you read this, drop me and email and tell me what's up with the Pietasters/Big D show in C-ville in October....

psychoos231 (September 6, 2005)

Copy and paste comes in handy young man
heres something i copied and pasted:

Comment on the Review: Against Me!

Your Nickname: psychoos231
Post Anonymously

This Album Score:

Your Comment:

Crookedsuperhero (September 6, 2005)

Every single thing you post is to start an argument. Either that or to try and show how good you are at using your copy and paste function.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

"Boost MY ego??? You're a fucking joke."

Oh, I'm oh-so-sorry Mr. Internet Battles. Maybe I should pick up on how to start fights with people on messageboards when I'm not playing my internet computer games.

-Will

Crookedsuperhero (September 6, 2005)

I'll go back to the "half life mods" when you stop spending your life reading about and then copying the information about a scene you weren't apart of, Mr. 80s hardcore.....

Boost MY ego??? You're a fucking joke.

MrStabone (September 6, 2005)

seriously, PIX and Fat are both good labels that put out good music, albeit with different goals in mind.

can you all just get back to trashing Victory who seriously deserve every bit of shit talk that ever came out of anyone's mouth?

sickboi (September 6, 2005)

Personally, I think he's a tad bitter. He can say what he wants about not wanting to make money, but at the end of the month, when he's short on cash for bills, I bet he's cursing Fat Mike and AM! ...

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

It's kind of pompous and "sceney", but I appreciate a guy who fucking stands up for what he believes in.

-Will

stevejonestherealbones (September 6, 2005)

Hey, Steve Jones, get this, you anonymous internet prick, I don't owe you ANY explination for anything I write. Fuck you for attempting to "show me up" to impress your message board clique. Same goes for "CrookedSuperHero", without a doubt the most unfunny and tasteless commentor on this site. Go back to strategizing over Half-Life mods and stop trying to boost your ego this way.

-Will

so, uh, i'll take that as confirmation of what i wrote

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

"get kids to buying into majors"

Obviously, insert "stop" in front of "buying."

-Will

sickboi (September 6, 2005)

I just think its petty and uncalled for. If he wants to call out Victory, or Ferret, I could maybe understand, but I get a strong feeling his statement is directed at Fat.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

Sickboi-

Those ethics aren't really unique to him. He might as well be talking on behalf of just about anyone who runs a small, DIY label.

It may be crass of him, but I prefer to think that it may somehow get kids to buying into majors.

-Will

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

It's funny that I have to make about ten replies explaining everything I post because of how I sign my name...

Hey, Steve Jones, get this, you anonymous internet prick, I don't owe you ANY explination for anything I write. Fuck you for attempting to "show me up" to impress your message board clique. Same goes for "CrookedSuperHero", without a doubt the most unfunny and tasteless commentor on this site. Go back to strategizing over Half-Life mods and stop trying to boost your ego this way.

-Will

sickboi (September 6, 2005)

Will -

You just gave into my argument with your statement:

"If Fat and Epitaph stuck to his idea of DIY ideals, he wouldn't bitch."

Why do they have to stick to HIS ideals? Isn't this a free thinking envirnonment? Sure, they are more of businesses, but I think they still do a great job at offering alternative types of music, focused on the artists, not the profit. (Well, Epitaph is slowly losing my faith in that department)

Its this type of pretentious bullshit that makes me sick. I'm just glad Fat is mature enough not to stoop to his level.

sickboi (September 6, 2005)

PIX has some great bands, and I respect their ethics, I just don't like them taking cheap shots at those that don't follow their lead, thats the ONLY problem I have with them.

Crookedsuperhero (September 6, 2005)

As people moan for against me, they make releases that they enjoy themselves, not for anyone else.

People hear about this label through word of mouth. If they don't want to earn big bucks, they don't have to. Period.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

Yeah, but his operation is at odds with this bullshit. If Fat and Epitaph stuck to his idea of DIY ideals, he wouldn't bitch. It's not as if he called anyone in particular out, but he's fucking fed up with people pretending to stand for "punk", bitching about the administration, yet operating as nothing but an extension of it.

Having good distro and well-produced albums is one thing- Touring stadiums and Clear Channel venues is another...

-Will

Crookedsuperhero (September 6, 2005)

Well Sickboi, maybe you can tell me of a label that releases cds for $5 with DECENT recording? I like FAT releases as much as the next guy, but PIX has had some damn good bands and they seem like pretty cool people for what they do and try to stick to what they believe in.

As for BSD, he can suck a mint.

sickboi (September 6, 2005)

Crookie-monster:

What fucking god does that do? So only the kids that are "in the know" can be down with PIX releases? Fuck that son.

Crookedsuperhero (September 6, 2005)

"As for Plan It X, the label can talk all the shit it wants and preach about scene politics, but it doesn't mean shit if you don't do your job right.

And the facts speak for themselves, I have not seen 3 Plan it X CDs in Chicago indie stores, in FOUR YEARS. I have seen two CDs. And one of those I might be confusing with another label."

"plan-it-x records is not about making money. we are about getting punk music heard. punk rock is more than a business, or at least it should be. we sell all our cds for $5 postage paid. we still make enough money. cd's only cost about 2$ to make. think about that the next time you buy a 10$ cd that's supposed to be d.i.y. think about where your money is going."

Lies or not, i don't think they care if you can't find their releases or want to pay more for them in a store.

sickboi (September 6, 2005)

I think in Will's case, PC should now stand for "punk-connected", because NO ONE is as punk as willSD or PIX.

I'm not trying to talk shit, I just think its that asshole-ish elitism that gives our scene a bad name.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

boston?

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

Like white people who think that minorities get more federal benefits than them, it's always funny to hear people talk shit on Plan-It-X...

what the fuck wllSD?

want to connect those a little better? or do you just think its funny when people talk shit on PIX and you also think its funny when white people think minorities get more fed funding, so in your mind a "like" deserved to get thrown in there...

because i dont think anyone talking shit on plan it is saying they get more benefits or more anything than other labels...

so were you just showing us how PC you are or what?

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

In the 10 or so songs I've heard so far, I'm baffled as to how people consider it to be their best. I enjoy most of these songs and some of them match their previous efforts but I can't help but feel that Tom's songwriting has become worse. Musically it's pretty good though though not their best, As The Eternal Cowboy, to me , is their best musically. Anyhow, I haven't listened to everything quite yet or repeatedly so I'm withholding a score.

jamespastepunk (September 6, 2005)

As for Plan It X, the label can talk all the shit it wants and preach about scene politics, but it doesn't mean shit if you don't do your job right.

And the facts speak for themselves, I have not seen 3 Plan it X CDs in Chicago indie stores, in FOUR YEARS. I have seen two CDs. And one of those I might be confusing with another label.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

Much of the reason I feel in love with against me! was because of their aesthetic,. And now that's gone.

I heard they recorded more songs than those that arebeing released on the album. Hopefully the unused tracks from the demo will be on these other releases.

sickboi (September 6, 2005)

Well, he should run his "operation" and not bitch about how other choose to run theirs.

Benjasauruss (September 6, 2005)

Ugh. You people are retarded.

PIX records is made up of some of the most amazing, honest, and talented people I've ever met. Chris Clavin (the founder) does not hate other punk labels... in fact he recently posted something on the boards about how everyone in the DIY scene makes them out to be much worse than they are. He thinks that punk rock should operate a certain way, and he does it in that way. He has NEVER shit-talked Against Me!.

Everything PIX releases is at most 5 bucks. And I've never had a problem finding Crime in stores myself. So I think AM! taking it off the label was completely unjustified, especially since PIX were the label who gave them a chance when they were nobodies, welcomed them into their scene, and launched them to where they are now. Against Me! would not be where they are now if not for PIX.

If you can listen to Reinventing Axl Rose, Crime, the Acoustic EP, or Disco Before the Breakdown, and tell me that that music is worse than what is on SFAFC, I'm sorry but there is no way I can relate to you. How can "You know Justin, well Justin's dead.And Yahoo won't let his family have access to his email account, the news reporter said" compare to "And it's got me on my knees in a bathroom, praying to a god I don't even believe in. Well dear Jesus are you listening? If this is the first chance that really mattered, don't let me fuck this up."?

This album is mediocre at best and AM! rips off Franz Ferdinand in "Unprotected Sex..."

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

this band is so boring

sfbarker (September 6, 2005)

This album was weak. I don't care if Against Me! sells a million albums and headlines a stadium or sells 10 and headlines a dive bar. I just want good songs, and this batch was definitely the worst of their career thus far. Here's to the future...

hubitcherkokov (September 6, 2005)

I haven't heard this yet, but I'm on the fence about their first two records. I never thought they were doing anything exceptional, but it wasn't terrible either. Well, except for their live show - its pretty good.

sickboi (September 6, 2005)

Will, here's my point.

Stick to your ethics, keep your "DIY" attitude, but don't rag on others that don't choose the same road.

If you don't like the way Fat operates, that's your opinion. But they aren't doing shit to you, or PIX, they just run their label the way they want to.

Have you ever heard a band bitch about how they were treated by Fat? I know I haven't.

sickboi (September 6, 2005)

I got what you meant. But in all honesty, I think what PIX says borders on elitism.

I mean, using the term "jock" is so fucking cliche'. I know plenty of people who play sports, listen to music like this and are completely nice people.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

Like white people who think that minorities get more federal benefits than them, it's always funny to hear people talk shit on Plan-It-X... They are simply a label trying to stick to grassroots DIY ideals.

"For 10 dollars you get good production"

Well, that's not really much of a concern to the fans, considering the type of music they put out. I don't know about you, but I don't think this stuff would sound good with twenty guitar tracks.

That said, there's an outstanding air of posture that I get from a lot of supposed "DIY folk" fans... Maybe it's because I fail to see the big appeal in the music. It's badly played folk with cruddy lyrics. How many Daniel Johnston clones matter?

I guess you can react to PiX with ignorant animosity, but I don't understand how you can fault people for having stronger convictions than you guys. If anything, just tell them how bad their music sucks. Even though this new AM! record is weak...

-Will

REALPUNX4LIFE (September 6, 2005)

Also, Aubin sold out the scene by changing "partner" to "girlfriend" because of some idiot. Since when is partner a term used only in same sex relationships? I think it's a smart idea for heterosexuals to appropriate that term. But I guess this wasn't really the place for discussion of the use of gendered terms so it might be for the best. We need to talk about who sucks and is not the punks.

REALPUNX4LIFE (September 6, 2005)

You don't get jokes. That's alright. It just means you're punk because punk is stupid and so are you.

PS OI OI OI!!!

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

The second track is such a burn on the people that talk shit on AM!

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

This album was absolutely terrible the first time i listened to it, but now it is much better at around the 4th or 5th time. A few songs are amazing like From her lips to gods ears, but some are drug out too long.

sickboi (September 6, 2005)

Stand your ground, but don't talk shit on those that don't share your beliefs. Sorry, but what they are saying is shitty.

And who the fuck are they, or your to define "what is punk"? Its different to everyone. I like the idea of a totally DIY, free from all bullshit organization, like PIX, but they should respect a label, like Fat, that can provide for artists that could easily go major, but still want to stay firmly planted in the indie community.

REALPUNX4LIFE (September 6, 2005)

OK I didn't remember that. I'd read it before but hadn't noticed anything too problematic with it. As much as I think punk and DIY are stupid, I actually agree with him. Full color magazine ads = not punk. A glut of merchandise = not punk. Records that cost nothing to press but lots to buy = not punk. Sorry, you can't really disagree with that. Maybe you're like me and you think that punk is stupid, but those things are also stupid. And they're not punk. Frankly, I like the things he does stand for and don't care what he doesn't stand for. "sharing ideas, separating ourselves from the fucked up people in this world, taking a stand against the injustice and greed, striving to make even the smallest positive change, making friends and sometimes even having fun." Yep.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

People sure are fanatic about this band. I wanted to check them out about 4 years ago, but it became pretty clear back then that most of their fans were one step above being retarded. Not much has changed since then and I still have no idea what AM sound like or why they're worth all the talk.

Since94 (September 6, 2005)

Jonesy, I don't care about the rating. but i'm sure opinions will change regarding favourite songs etc.
As for blanding out, if thats the case, then the stolen demos would have "blanded out" by now and it's apparent they haven't.

Medley (September 6, 2005)

It should've been mentioned somewhere in the review just how LONG this album is. Not that its overly long, but at 47 minutes, its a full fifteen minutes longer than either of their other full-lengths. The length of the album isn't due to there being a surplus of songs, but rather that the songs are now all 3 or 4 minutes long, which is a big big change for Against Me!

Anyways, after just having picked up the album and giving it one listen I like what I hear, except it'll take some time to get used to the album version of Joy (as opposed to the mp3 of the accoustic version Tom played at a radio station).

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

Anyone whose seen AM!'s DVD will see the people from PIX having nothing but good things to say about AM! They actually take a jab at the "militant DIY kids" of which they consider themselves to belong.

sickboi (September 6, 2005)

Idiot?!?!?!?!

From their website:

"plan-it-x records is not about making money. we are about getting punk music heard. punk rock is more than a business, or at least it should be. we sell all our cds for $5 postage paid. we still make enough money. cd's only cost about 2$ to make. think about that the next time you buy a 10$ cd that's supposed to be d.i.y. think about where your money is going. our scene is in danger. it is becoming a copy of the mainstream capitalist system, with full color posters, ads, offices, contracts, secretaries, booking agents, 30$ hooded sweat shirts, million dollar a year record labels that fail to use any of their profits for anything other than buying themselves new cars, and a bunch of dumb jocks that go to shows and start fights and don't have a clue about what this is all about. what is it about? everyone seems to have their own opinions, but here's what we think: it's about sharing ideas, separating ourselves from the fucked up people in this world, taking a stand against the injustice and greed, striving to make even the smallest positive change, making friends and sometimes even having fun. we must not let our scene fall into the dark pit of consumerism, we can be so much more. that's why plan-it-x asks you to boycott all of the "big" labels. support the small ones (and i don't mean just us). or better yet, start your own fucking record label. let's take punk rock back from the business men! "

Sounds to me they are talking shit about other indie labels, because of what they charge, or because they do run a label like a business.

Like I said, not everyone has to subscribe to their commune-esque, hippy ideals. Some labels, like Fat, charge $10 for a cd, but its major label quality, put out by people that care about the music and make sure their artists are taken care of.

REALPUNX4LIFE (September 6, 2005)

A couple things: No one should've brought up Plan It X. That was dumb. PIX doesn't give a shit about any supposed AM vs PIX feud so you shouldn't either. It doesn't exist except in stupid kids' heads. On top of that, someone said that PIX talks shit on other punks and labels for not being as DIY as them. Uh... what? I've never heard anyone actually involved in PIX say anything remotely like that. Way to make shit up, idiot. They seem to be among the most open, thoughtful groups of people out there. If you read their message board, yeah, you'll pick that up. But their message board is so fucking lame, and barely anyone associated with the label posts there. Give it up.

Also, that dude that initially bitched about AM screwing PIX said that they've become a contradiction of their older lyrics. Boo fucking hoo. Their best songs have always been when they ignored politics in favor of more personal songs- "We Did It All for Don," "I Still Love You Julie," "Tonight We Give It 35%," "We Laugh at Danger..." You fucking know I'm right. Their political songs have always been boring sloganeering. (And, for the record, I think their fans have ignored the message of "Reinventing Axl Rose" just as much as, if not more than, the band. It's the fans that care how many tshirts and tickets are sold. The band still plays loud and hard every night. As for the stuff about basements and bookstores, sorry, it can't be helped. They won.)

MrStabone (September 6, 2005)

"how good is no idea's mailorder? meaning when will this album show up at my door?"

about two weeks or so. but they are THE BEST. they will give you some stickers and pins, plus they are hands down cheaper and better than Interpunk.

i ordered like 15 records and the shippign was only 4 bucks. it would have been like 20 on interpunk.

as for this whole PIX thing. i can feel for them if they will be losing a good release, but shit, if they weren't so fucking diy and had those boys in AM sign a contract, they wouldn't be in the boat they are in. i'm not talking shit. i think what they do is genuine and cool as shit....i'm just saying.

Crookedsuperhero (September 6, 2005)

Ignore them Bonez.

People like that are 10x worse than the PIX kids.

stevejonestherealbones (September 6, 2005)

Someone should do another review for this in 3 months once it's had time to soak in.

or bland out....besides, it got scored fairly high by the reviewer, what are you complaining about? you NEED it to be scored as a 10?

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Since94 (September 6, 2005)

Fucking Eh Man!
I've been waiting for this day for too long now. Going to pick it up when the horn sounds at 4pm. I chose not to download it since i've had the lucero demos for months now.
I don't care what you fuckers say. In 2 months from now when you've heard it 5 billion times you'll be loving it just like you did Suburban Teenage Wasteland Blues. You fat mongers eat this shit up so just swallow it!
Someone should do another review for this in 3 months once it's had time to soak in.
Nooch

Crookedsuperhero (September 6, 2005)

PIX charge £5, postage paid, for that CD. No Idea sells it for £4.75, but without postage. I don't know the real reason they've taken it, but If there's one thing you can't fault PIX on, it's prices.

stevejonestherealbones (September 6, 2005)

oh, and i guess also that stuff that sickboi wrote too.

- jones

sickboi (September 6, 2005)

Plan It X records. (I was recently informed of the abbreviation too)

Apparently, Against Me! wants to pull their orginal EP, Crime, from PIX. I've heard numerous reasons why, the most credible to me was that within PIX it was not readily available.

I've also heard that because PIX asks $6 for it, and it only has 5 songs, they think its overpriced.

Either way, the PIX kids like to talk MAD shit about Against Me!, without telling what's going on.

Personally, I don't like how if another indie label doesn't adopt their bare-bone, commune loving philosophies, they are automatically not a real part of the "scene".

stevejonestherealbones (September 6, 2005)

Who is P-I-X, and how did they fuck them over?

plan it x records.

on the day against signed to fat, they came into the plan it x records office and fucked them all in the ass while reading the important parts of the contract about ipod minis and range rovers

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

Who is P-I-X, and how did they fuck them over?

pastepunk (September 6, 2005)

While there's a few hundred people arguing here, I might as well plug the fact that Pastepunk is running a contest for Against Me! right now, givng away this disc, patches, posters, and their DVD. Enter here: pastepunk.com/contests.php.

sickboi (September 6, 2005)

Yeah, but I hate how that label pretty much talks shit on every other label for not being as "DIY" as them...

Crookedsuperhero (September 6, 2005)

But PIX has some mighty fine bands....

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

awesome...i give this a 9 just do to the fact that as well as aubin, the chorus for multiple sex is a bit annoying after a while. I have had this for a while and at first it was like 5 or 6 songs over and over again and now my favorite tunes are the ones that i originally skipped over!

sickboi (September 6, 2005)

I'm sick of this PIX bullshit. Seriously, bunch of stinky kids pissed that the little band that gave them their "cred" is a little more popular.

I saw one douchebag on the PIX message board bitching because AM's publicist from Fat asked what publication he wrote for when he requested an interview. And for this he talks shit on her, calls her condesceding and a "suit".

Grow up kids, take a bath and a get a fucking job.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

This record is awful. This band didnt go down hill, they fell off a cliff. They fucked over P-I-X really badly, and they are a contradiction of what they used to sing about. I not gonna sit here and babble on and on about how they sold out because I dont care, I simply think they are just a terrible band.

colin (September 6, 2005)

i do really like this record.

but, come one, the first half the review isn't even about it. it's nice to share personal stories about the band you're reviewing (i try to in my reviews) but i also try and keep it relatively minimal. i kept trying to find a point except for the fact you met against me! once.

but when you got to the record itself, the review was good. imagine if you took the whole space of the review for the record alone.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

Best punk album of the year so far and maybe the best album of any genre. It blows the last record and even 'Reinventing Axl Rose' out of the water. This band is important in a way that punk music hasn't been important in years.

is this a joke? its hard to tell on the internet. if this is a serious comment, care to explain in what way against me is more important than any punk band in years?

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

Best punk album of the year so far and maybe the best album of any genre. It blows the last record and even 'Reinventing Axl Rose' out of the water. This band is important in a way that punk music hasn't been important in years.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

Really good album -- it gets better and better after every listen.

Here are the only things I'd change:

- Demo version of "Miami"
- Replace "Justin" with either of the 2 unused demo tracks

Other than that, a very solid release and a nice progression for the band.

The strength of the record is definitely from "Violence" to "Searching..." That run of songs is the strength of the album.

logan (September 6, 2005)

Great Review. I'll definitely have to go check it out... I was a big fan of the Problems demo and I can't wait to hear the rest of it.

Against Me is definitely a band that many people have looked at as the band that will save punk rock.. but as a band, I think they just want to make music that's appealing to not only fans, but themselves.. The fact that they've switched their lyrical content to personal politics and dealing with everyday life is extremely refreshing and I feel that this is a solid band that speaks straight from the heart.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

how good is no idea's mailorder? meaning when will this album show up at my door?

Crookedsuperhero (September 6, 2005)

35% is definetly their best song. Hands down.

psychoos231 (September 6, 2005)

Were those two last Disco tracks really that good?
I remember i found them pretty boring back when i first heard them.
I'll give it another listen then.

fistchode (September 6, 2005)

On Disco the last two songs are the ones that are fucking amazing, and the title track I find a bit lacking.

I don't think the new Propagandhi cd will be as good as Empires, but it'll blow away the first two CDs hopefully.

Crookedsuperhero (September 6, 2005)

Why do people think Against Me will change anything? I'm seriously asking, cause i can't see them doing anything particulary important. They used to write ok lyrics, the music isn't special and they don't really have a strong message about anything, but it seems everyone thinks they're gonna make music "whole" again or something.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

This record was a bit of a let down. Reinventing Axl rose was a 10. This is at MOST an 8. I still love this band but the new songs just aren't the same. Still, it's better than most of the punk rock released these days.

I just hope Propagandhi doesn't let me down (they never have.).

dazed (September 6, 2005)

I'll probably pick this up in the next few months. I still don't understand why this band is so hyped and worshipped (or alternately reviled and accused of being sellouts). Their live show is very good but quite a bit short of spectacular imo.

fritobandito (September 6, 2005)

I still love this band. Despite the fact that I'm not really liking the direction they're taking with their music and their message, they still know how to write a good fucking tune.

This album isn't the open-hearted punk rock of RAR or Crime, but as far as punk records go, it's a damn good one. This is one of those albums that if some band I'd never heard the back catalog of had made, I'd probably be completely infatuated with it. But I know these guys' history like my own life, and I really do miss what they used to be.

Enough nostalgia.

Solid album. A few disappointments, particularly Don't Lose Touch and the horribly slowed down Problems (demo? SO much better...). The title track, on the other hand, is probably one of my favorite songs they have EVER written. It sounds a lot like an homage to The Mountain Goats in it's presentation and lyrical style, and certainly made a great ending track to the album. Miami sounds great with the horns.

But seriously, why the FUCK did they pick Don't Lose Touch as the one to market as a big single...it's the worst song they've ever written, no competition at all. Flawless victory.

skaboom (September 6, 2005)

"Disco only had 3 songs right? Ony the title track was good the other two were shit off that."

The second track on there is amazing. Tonight We're Gonna Give it 35% is my favorite song by them.

poopypants (September 6, 2005)

lookin forward to this...all i've heard is 'problems' and its a pretty neat song.

paul

psychoos231 (September 6, 2005)

if you click on preview the score won't show up.

superskabro (September 6, 2005)

dang it, it didn't post my score!
there it is!

-Nick L. Back

superskabro (September 6, 2005)

Haven't heard the album in its entirety yet, so this review's for the review. Not very to-the-point, but it put nicely the importance of the band into perspective. I can't wait to pick this bad boy up today.

-Nick L. Back

P.S. They are one of the best live bands ever.

psychoos231 (September 6, 2005)

Disco only had 3 songs right? Ony the title track was good the other two were shit off that.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

they sold out

fat wreck is a sellout factory

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

""Top ten of the year? No way. Maybe top 100."

You gotta be fucking kidding me. If you can make a list of 100 records that came out in 2005 that honest-to-God are better than this record, I will give you 100 dollars."

Come on, other people have different taste in music than you do. Maybe he has heard a lot of other good albums this year that he prefers. And still, "Maybe top 100" was probably a figure of speech because he doesn't believe it was one of 10 best albums of te year. Cool off, guy.

As for the album, it has it moments and it's quirks, like everyone has mentionned. I give it 7.

Dante3000 (September 6, 2005)

Levitateme, if you can't see how it's their best work music wise you shouldn't be writting reviews. I love Crimes and their acoustic work but it's not a matter of them being minimalist. It's a matter of at the time no one involved was particularly good at their instrument. As for EC I agree it was probably more breakthrough musically than this but that's because this album was built on the foundation of that album. SFAFC is the first Against Me! album to set up songs that have a whole atmosphere about them. The music sets the tone for this album far more than any other element. Thei bands musical ability began to show up in EC, which was the first effort not carried primarily by Tom's lyrics, and now they've shown they can set a mood and a theme based on their musical abilites.
-Dante
P.S. For the people who keep saying they've become poppy and weak. Think back to RAR, how many sing along/clap your hands parts were there? A shit load. How many were in EC? None. Believe me that wasn't unintentional.

maverick (September 6, 2005)

"Top ten of the year? No way. Maybe top 100."

You gotta be fucking kidding me. If you can make a list of 100 records that came out in 2005 that honest-to-God are better than this record, I will give you 100 dollars.

And to all the "Justin" haters, for the last time: The song is a true story, about a family's son (Justin) who is killed in Iraq, but due to Yahoo!'s term's of service, the familiy is denied access to his email account, where he had all his correspondence from when he was in Iraq. How you can say the lyrics in this song "suck" or something blows my mind. It is incredibly intense and emotional.

Go buy this record. Go. Buy. This. Record.

-Scott

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

This band is ploughing the footprints of punk rock, reversing, getting out of the vehicle and making their own steps.

Awesome.as.fuck.

Fatty_Arbuckle (September 6, 2005)

Gotta pick up this shiz-nizzle.

LevitateMe (September 6, 2005)

I've listened to this many times now and I'd say that Aubin's rating of 8/10 is right on. I write reviews for another site that rates by percentages and I gave this a 78%. It's still a disappointment, but that's because all of Against Me!'s major releases (Crime and beyond) up to this point have been 10s. There is not one song on this that beats anything on Crime, Accoustic, RAR, Disco, or ATEC, not one.

I don't really get the "best album musically" comments at all. This is their worst album both lyrically and musically. Crime is still my favorite AM! release and I loved the sparse minimalism of it, Reinventing had it's variety of harder and softer forms of punk and a brilliant end track, and then ATEC was probably their most exciting album musically because they had created a completely new and unique punk rock sound on the majority of the tracks and mixed that the folky/country stuff. This is kind of boring really, I don't really hear the inventiveness and experiment that people are talking about.

This album has its moments certainly, but it's not amazing nor important in speaking strictly about the music. Top ten of the year? No way. Maybe top 100.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

Hey Crooky is falling asleep. Too much fish'n'chips have made him tired

Crookedsuperhero (September 6, 2005)

Yawn....

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

wow. that's some review. i dig it.

AlmostPunkEnough (September 6, 2005)

jones, you somehow have less of an attention span than me, that's pretty impressive.

i like this album a lot more than i orginally did, it seems to just keep growing on me. still don't think it will be better in my mind, or even close to the first two.

SenorRefresco (September 6, 2005)

Oh yeah, the only reason I didn't give it a 10 is Problems. I think slowing it down really took away from that song. Still good, but the demo version and dvd version were amazing.

SenorRefresco (September 6, 2005)

All politics aside, this is easily one of the best records of the year. I never listened to this band because they were "diy" or whatever anyway, so why should I care if they don't play in the basement anymore? I wish the haters would just see past all of that petty bullshit and actually give this album a chance, because it's fucking great. I feel sorry for you if you can't see that.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

Even At Our Worst We're Still Better Than Most, says it all

fistchode (September 6, 2005)

Wow. It seems I always truly enjoy Aubin's (and Adam's) reviews. I agree with it. When I first got this cd I couldn't stand it, and now that I listen to it more and more I'm starting to have an appriciation for it. They most definitely have reinvented themselves again, and it wasn't in the direction I hoped for, but I think I can learn to dig this direction, as it is damn fine music.

ElVaquero (September 6, 2005)

Review is great by the way. It's very much written for fans, but as a fan I found a lot of good meat to sink into, both in content and in writing. Props as always, aubster.

-sidewalk- (September 6, 2005)

i really wanted to love this but the lyrics on songs like "justin" just made me embarrassed when i listened to it. sounded more like a step back rather than one forward. i've been obsessed with their entire catalogue before this record, and everything i had heard from the demos excited the hell out of me, but in the end this was one of the most dissapointing records of the last few years for me personally. i'll still see them in oct. when they come around and i'm not hating them or saying they "sold out" or whatever, and i admit this record has its moments, but, what a letdown. just my opinion.

ElVaquero (September 6, 2005)

I just really can't get into this band anymore. Meh. Loved the old days (like every elitist who hates the band now).

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

"I, like many, have mixed feelings. It's not the AM! I fell in love with, but it's awesome in its own regard. I'll have to wait til it shows up in the mail and give it a few spins before I make any more concrete judgements."

exactly. RAR is my favorite record ever, and it will continue to be for the forseeable future, and i will never get tired of screaming those songs at the top of my lungs... but to say that this record is bad simply because it's different than RAR is ridiculous. it HAS ventured away from their harder roots, but the more straight up rock sound has nonetheless turned out a really good record. as good as RAR or disco? i don't think so, but those are pretty tough records to top.

Benjasauruss (September 6, 2005)

I would probably like this record way better if I hadn't heard the demos. They kinda took the punch out of the strongest tracks.

But seriously, the lyrics on this album are really really shitty on most of the songs. I gave this album a chance and I really wish I hadn't bought it. I would not go to see this band live if I knew they were going to be playing primarily stuff from this album. Anyone who says that this record is better than Crime, the Acoustic EP, Reinventing Axl Rose, or the Disco Before the Breakdown is out of their fucking mind. If this album were amazing, I might be able to forgive how fucked up they conduct themselves as a band, but it's not, so I can't.

You compare a song with very mediocre lyrics like Condoleeze or Justin to masterpieces like Ya'all Don't Wanna Step to Dis or We Did it All For Don and it doesn't even sound like the same band.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

Great band but, seriously, let's stop with the Clash comparisons. No band will ever be as important as the Clash.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

I've said it before and I'll say it again, they keep getting better and better. They aren't the same band that I started listening to when I first heard "I still love you, Julie" and I couldn't be happier.

Ignore how popular they may or may not get. Ignore all the bullshit. This is amazing.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

I'm amazed a staff reviewer would waste the first 6 paragraphs talking about something else besides the record, but anyway... this record is hugely disappointing. It has its moments, but on the whole is uninspired and flat out boring (which means all the artsy-fartsy critics will love it). Oh well.

stevejonestherealbones (September 6, 2005)

i uh...well. i read more than half this review and you hadnt even gotten to the record yet...so i stopped reading.

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

etwiels88 (September 6, 2005)

Neither does the phrase "a lick of sense".

gladimnotemo (September 6, 2005)

I don't know. Ignoring the politics and debate, the music isn't very good as the other stuff (even Cowboy), the lyrics are pretty eh, and it just doesn't feel the same to me. I'm not saying they need to be screaming, pounding buckets, and playing in basements all the time, but something changed somewhere. There was so much hype for this record, since everyone is jumping on this bandwagon, and this is just a letdown. If they are doing what they want to do, good for them, but it's not doing anything for me. The masses can have this.

..and what's with all the Clash comparisons? That doesn't mean make a lick of sense.

skaboom (September 6, 2005)

I, like many, have mixed feelings. It's not the AM! I fell in love with, but it's awesome in its own regard. I'll have to wait til it shows up in the mail and give it a few spins before I make any more concrete judgements.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

Aubin....partner? If that is infact what you meant, I have been on this site for a while and haven''t picked that up.

Barkley

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

I thought Scott was gonna review this?

Good one anyway.

skanknsmile (September 6, 2005)

at first i was so pumped for this record. i mean i had head the lucero demo songs, that basically ended up on this and i was so excited. i kept telling everyone, this record is going to change rock and roll forever.

while, this record is good, like many have said it takes a few listens for you to grow into it and then realize it. you have to cut through all the music first before you get the lyrics. but the reason i cannot give this a 10 is because it isnt the phenominal scene changing record i was hoping for. if they had written some more songs like the demo songs, i really think this record could have been a perfect record.

and i really dont like the "on the inside" chorus on Unprotected sex...

still, fucking love these guys

psychoos231 (September 6, 2005)

Nice review Scott....
WAIT A TICK. Aubin reviewed this!!!

Good album. In my top 5-10 for sure.

Dante3000 (September 6, 2005)

Oh, and to relate to Aubin, I got a chance to interview Tom shortly after Eternal Cowboy came out and like you the best part happened after the interview. Tom asked me what I thought of the album and we shot the shit about the tour and how the album was written and all and I told him how their new album was the only one that my girlfriend liked of their stuff (that made him laugh). Then when I asked if they had vinyl for sale Tom took me up to the both and handed me a copy of the record (wouldn't let me pay him). I tell that story a lot, but it just amazes me how cool he was as a person.
-Dante

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

I'm really looking forward to this.

thefirstfive (September 6, 2005)

Joy is a heart breakingly beautiful song. I listened to it about 16 times on the way back from a uncles funeral a week or two ago, and it made me feel much better. Or at least fit the mood. They could have sold thousands of records more their first week if they'd just signed to a major and gotten radio promotion, but they made this amazing album on Fat, and on their own terms. Fuck what you think about this records sound, thats something to respect.

kirbypuckett (September 6, 2005)

I told you Brian! I felt a little 'man, Kirby is full of shit' when we talked about the repeat listen thing the other night.

Against Me! reminds me of a young athlete with a lot of potential reaching the big leagues. At first you see spots of brilliance, but there's still the rookie mistakes. After time passes and the skills and knowledge are harnassed you see a crafted and skilled superstar.

This band's career is much like that. Unlike a lot of bands who have a good record and fade away or start really awful then release something worthwile, Against Me! continue to grow with each release. Seemlessly blossoming into one of the most important bands of our era.

I know there are a lot of people out there who are starting to hate the band because of this record and I honestly feel really bad for you guys, because it's one hell of an album.

- Kirby

jamespastepunk (September 6, 2005)

Score is for idiots who think punk rock can ever die.

It's alive in every sing along, alive in every little group out there thrashing out their songs, alive in every band worthy of the title, alive in every still beating heart screaming out the words to their favorite song with a basement or venue full or devoid of other fans, alive in every loud headphone blaring, alive in every person who dares to challenge or question and is unfazed by the words popular consensus, its alive in every zine editor who puts time, sweat and energy into their corner of the internet and its alive in every kid listening.

Dante3000 (September 6, 2005)

I got this album about four days ago and I've been listening to it every day since. I have to say (again) I feel the LP is a much more complete package and with the two records it seems to split the album much better than a single CD. I'll admitt it's not as lyrically unique (or perhaps driven) as older records but it is by far their best musically. And I feel, even more importantly that the album is better musically without taking away from the overall message or strength of the band.
-Dante

TheOneTrueBill (September 6, 2005)

Sucks!

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

The first time I listened to this, I couldn't even decide if I liked it. After another 10 listens, though, and this becomes one of the best cds I've heard in a long long time.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

I really don't care for this band, but I can see why some people do. But seeing this review got me wondering whatever happened to the Swingin' Utters? 'Cause that's what I hear when listen to AM!

OC

Inspection12e (September 6, 2005)

I will be buying this Wednesday for sure. Score is for the demos.

notfeelingcreative (September 6, 2005)

Um, yeah sorry about that comment below! It wasn't funny, true but not funny, I'm going to drink some water and go to bed now, yeah.

maverick (September 6, 2005)

I could write forever about this record, but I'll just say that Clarity is easily in the top five records of 2005. It's incredibly exciting to watch a band progress through release after release, only getting better and better. I'm afraid to give this five stars, simply because -- while I do think the record is hands-down phenomenal -- I know the band will top it for LP4.

Against Me! are one of the few bands who let me continue to believe that punk rock, even with all the bullshit associated with it today, can still change the world -- assuming the world will listen.

-Scott

Benjasauruss (September 6, 2005)

This record was a huuuuuuuuuuge disappointment. SOOO shitty compared to their older stuff. I can't even begin to describe how crappy some of these songs are. But then there are a few really really good ones. I wrote a review... hopefully it will get put up later this week.

notfeelingcreative (September 6, 2005)

Against Me! sold out!! I tried to get into the CD release show last night, and there were no tickets left!!

Anchors (September 6, 2005)

First lolz!

For serious, I like this. Fuck the haters.

Anonymous (September 6, 2005)

hohoho, here we go with the backslash

inagreendase (September 6, 2005)

I'm definitely in agreeance with the "repeated listens" part. I'm 6 listens in and it's sort of like puzzle pieces are starting to drop into their respective places here and there.

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