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With Honor

With Honor: This is Our RevengeThis is Our Revenge (2005)
Victory Records

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To get the obvious out of the way: If you like With Honor, this is worth your money. This is all you have to read; if you already know the band, go out and buy This is Our Revenge. It follows their split with the Distance, stylistically. If you don't know With Honor, then let's talk turkey, shall.
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To get the obvious out of the way: If you like With Honor, this is worth your money. This is all you have to read; if you already know the band, go out and buy This is Our Revenge. It follows their split with the Distance, stylistically.

If you don't know With Honor, then let's talk turkey, shall we? Although Brian McTernan's botch job on Bane worried me about the production of This is Our Revenge, all the instruments sound just fine and Todd's voice is a sibilant call to arms. Phew. But what about the songs themselves?

Gone are the every-other-word gang vocals, gone are the breakdowns and double-bass hammer, and in its place is strong songwriting. After being in the shadows of Bane and Shai Hulud, With Honor steps up to the plate with something that doesn't quite sound like traditional hardcore, but instead harkens back to the days when hardcore didn't mean Pantera-inspired breakdowns and musings about killing your lover.

This is positive hardcore made in 2005. There's nothing fancy in the packaging, just the lyrics and an interesting theme throughout the booklet, with no vanity shots or use of blood or knives. There is, however, a shout-out to tourmates Comeback Kid and Bane that brings tears to the eyes of anyone lucky enough to catch the tour the three groups shared this past year. Todd pours his heart out in "20 Strong:" "I've been staring / at these pictures so long / I swear they're talking back… / they'll never understand / how 20 kids in 3 vans / won't ever be the same again / 6 weeks in the clouds / I'm still not ready to come down."

Stylistically, there's nods to previous torchbearing groups like Gorilla Biscuits, but the songs feel like With Honor as opposed to a group mimicking 1988. Then again, this is With Honor here, so you still have the uplifting qualities that made Heart Means Everything worth repeated listens, but the songs themselves are stronger, no longer needing crutches to get through tepid moments of songs. Initially, there's a strong nod to Richmond's Strike Anywhere; repeated listens give the listener the idea that the group was listening to a lot of Ignite as well.

That said, there's no question that With Honor is and remains a hardcore band, but the digestion of Strike Anywhere seems to give rise to Todd's attack on the administration, which sound odd from a group that usually left its attacks on society; it's not out of place, however; "they march us off to a new war / it's soon to be a hundred more / we're wondering what the hell we're fighting for...rationalize words without action."

While this CD won't bring about any revolutions in music, it's much more than a solid release. It's a damn fine one that distances With Honor from the rest of the pack, and blows away any pretense of slowing down or giving in to pressure. With the release of This is Our Revenge, With Honor wipes the mascara and hair dye off of the Victory bulldog, and invites it to start again.

 

 
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Stefano (September 6, 2006)

at first i found this record to be appauling and horrible. the inside live shot of the band being the most appauling aspect of all. but after time i found discintion with the record that few bands can achieve. seriously a solid fuckin' record and a mature path for the guys to have taken.easily thier best work to date.

Anonymous (February 18, 2006)

At first when I heard "Like Trumpets" on tv, I was for the most part, disgusted with what I heard. Being a CT Hardcore kid, growing up listening to With Honor and going to With Honor shows, I was disappointed. Very disappointed. Huge pileups, breakdowns, two-stepping, that WAS "With Honor" They set standards for the bands now just starting out. And now With Honor sings? WTF is that? But it is a huge step in redefining themselves. Finding a new sound without really selling out. I don't know about the whole "With Honor Still Being Hardcore." But I'll be checking out the With Honor/Strike Anywhere/Global Threat tour. I still love With Honor. I guess it's just the shock of the evolution of this incredible band that is turning away a lot of fans. I'm still a very big With Honor fan. Always will be. Being from CT, it's sort of an obligation. I can understand where the people are coming from when they're so quick to judge a band they've probably never taken the time to listen to. But I can see "This Is Our Revenge" taking them to higher places than they would have ever gotten if they stayed with Stillborn Records. The music will just take a little getting used to.

crazytoledo (January 1, 2006)

I got this for $9.79 at the soon to be defunct, Media Play. It's been in my stereo ever since. I've been listening to 70% With Honor / 30% Calico System throighout my entire first year of my franchise in Madden, when I'm on the computer, bored, or doing what ever I feel like doing at the moment.

Anonymous (December 17, 2005)

One of the strongest releases of 2005 in any genre. I've been a fan since the first ep. I haven't heard the split with the distance, but compared with Heart Means Everything, this is a step toward WH developing their own sound.

That being said this album focuses more on the melodic side of things, and less on hardcore, when compared with the earlier releases. But don't get the wrong idea. This is still a great, positive hardcore record. And don't worry! When i say melodic, I don't mean those ridiclous faux emo band vocals. This shit's real. My only complaint would be that it is over-produced, but hey, that's Victory for you.

I really, really, like everything I've heard from this band. And after seeing them live recently, it's clear they still know what hardcore is, and what hardcore means to the kids. Cop this.

LaidToWaste (December 16, 2005)

My friends this is what is known as "shitcore". For people who like shitty music!

crazytoledo (December 15, 2005)

Awesome Cover.
Awesome Band.

Anchors (November 21, 2005)

This album is stellar.

I was a bit late in getting it, but I fucking love what they did with it. Great mix of old With Honor, and some Strike Anywhere thrown in as well.

'Like Trumpets' and 'Closets' could be two of the best songs they've done.

FAST_ED (November 10, 2005)

Oh yeah, go buy this now. It's definitely the best thing i've heard from Victory since CBK.

FAST_ED

FAST_ED (November 10, 2005)

How could anyone be upset just because of a particular label putting out this music. The music is good regardless. What the fuck is wrong with you people? I'd be stoked to have a record on Victory. It means your music will reach way more people. Fucking holier than thou fucks.....

Anonymous (October 21, 2005)

After release "Heart Means Everything" this album was easily the biggest disappoint of 2005. I hope this is just a sophomore slump but seriously this album was terrible compared to their last album.

moneenerd (October 20, 2005)

This album is so fucking crucial.

Reminds me of a mix between 7 Seconds, CBK, and a bit of newer Propagandhi

bjr (October 20, 2005)

With the release of This is Our Revenge, With Honor wipes the mascara and hair dye off of the Victory bulldog, and invites it to start again.

More like gives it a big black eye.......cuz these guys are brutal and they dont belong on a crap label such as victory like cbk,dh, and streetlight

vocalyouth (October 20, 2005)

haven't listened to this yet, but everything after their first ep has been disappointing to me.

i wouldnt blame it on victory, even though i think we can all agree that they suck pretty bad these days.

Testiclese (October 19, 2005)

you see the new h heights/victory commercial?

it says something like:
"We're sick of pop music. We live for real music"
and then the hh shit gets louder and it sounds like pop music to me.
but with stale screams, and even worse lyrics

Anonymous (October 19, 2005)

this is neither very bad nor very good

etwiels88 (October 18, 2005)

Awesome album, Awesome band, Awesome people.
Some of you people need to take you negitive comments and shove it.

Keep it posi, brah. Woo!

Anonymous (October 18, 2005)

This band definitely got a lot better. Good Record.
It's a shame it's on Victory.
That label is worse than majors. Most of the bands they put out are zero substance fake punk/hc. They force feed it to young kids and rip off bands and Tony is a millionare.
Aiden/Silverstien/Hawthorn Heights etc...... are all terrible bands.. but I kinda feel bad for them. Tony is just taking those kids for anything he can. Sure they're popular and selling tons of records. But I guarantee that in a couple years they'll be long forgotten and Tony will be making millions off some new trend and a fresh batch of naive pseudo-punk teenagers.
Very un-punk, un-ethical, and just a fucking shame.

PillsAndAdvice (October 18, 2005)

"Fuck Victory Records and what they've done to With Honor and Comeback Kid. And fuck Equal Vision too"

The vast majority of this was already written before they signed to Victory.

Anyways, I think it's pretty damn good. Granted, the first couple of listens didn't seem to yield any real standouts, but now, I can easily say that Closets, A New War, and Elevens are fucking great songs. People who listened to the split with The Distance really shouldn't be that suprised at the way this sounds.

Anonymous (October 18, 2005)

Awesome album, Awesome band, Awesome people.
Some of you people need to take you negitive comments and shove it.

Anonymous (October 18, 2005)

WHENS SOMEONE GOING TO REVIEW THE NEW RINGWORM?

"With the release of This is Our Revenge, With Honor wipes the mascara and hair dye off of the Victory bulldog, and invites it to start again"

nice

Anonymous (October 18, 2005)

Meh... After stuff like Skitsystem, Das Oath, Coliseum, DS-13, Total Fury, etc., I don't see why everyone wets themselves about this band or any other "crew revival" band...

It must just be because more people hear this... They think it's "true hardcore" or whatever.

But it's on Victory.

-Will

Anonymous (October 18, 2005)

In my opinion, they've gotten steadily worse since their first EP. I was all over that shit, then Heart came out and I really liked it, but still not as much as the EP. Then the split came out and I wondered if it was the same band... I really didn't dig the singing aspect at all. And now it sounds like he ruined his voice or something.... I dunno, I am just gonna keep listening to the EP and Heart Means Everything.

Fuck Victory Records and what they've done to With Honor and Comeback Kid. And fuck Equal Vision too.

Bryne (October 18, 2005)

I saw these guys open for Comeback Kid and they were solid. I'll have to give this a listen.

Anonymous (October 18, 2005)

Solid.

etwiels88 (October 18, 2005)

The vocals sound so held back

kirbypuckett (October 18, 2005)

The only thing I don't like about this record is that nothing seems to stick initally. I'm sure after a handful of listens I'll pick up on it all, but there aren't too many tracks that stand out right away.

- Kirby

Testiclese (October 18, 2005)

"http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/showreview.aspx?reviewI D =451 The blabbermouth crowd doesn't like this"

it got a 5.5?! but they gave ill nino a 6! it cant be that bad

Anonymous (October 18, 2005)

http://www.xsisterhoodx.com is giving this album away along with a with honor t-shirt and victory records dvd.

LevitateMe (October 18, 2005)

"4. They split with the Distance? OMG. Who said it? Is the Distance okay? Are they seeing other people?"

hahaha

Anonymous (October 18, 2005)

Getting this today, it has quite the old school hardcore vibe to it. Reminds me of the old anthrax days in ct-oldpunker-

superdude (October 18, 2005)

This review was pretty good, but here’s how I would make it better:

1. They made a band out of that cancer benefit?

2. I only kept reading this because I thought we were going to talk about turkey. Did I miss something?

3. How come this band has no faces? Are they a gang?

4. They split with the Distance? OMG. Who said it? Is the Distance okay? Are they seeing other people?

Anonymous (October 18, 2005)

Nothing like Gorilla Biscuits mate.

Anonymous (October 18, 2005)

hell, i wish they“d really sound like gorilla biscuits but all they do is being boring. its sad what has become of victory and revelation

facciadicoolo (October 18, 2005)

hey punk z'nuff... i almost didnt get your comment until i saw the covert typo in jones' post...

ha ha ha ehhh... had too work too hard to laugh much.

Anonymous (October 18, 2005)

Not even remotely

AlmostPunkEnough (October 18, 2005)

oh shit, nevermind i re-read that, you're right, i can't see their art guy anywhere there was no proff of him ever being here. i guess he does what he does well.

this really isn't funny at all, is it?

AlmostPunkEnough (October 18, 2005)

jones, what do you mean? this art is all out in the open for everyone to see.

anyway, i really wanna hear this.

colton (October 18, 2005)

"I listened to Heart, loved that, then heard the split, listened to that exclusively, and now I'm on to this. They keep getting better, and I'll say that till I'm blue in the face."

Dude, the EP was amazing beyond all reason.

stevejonestherealbones (October 18, 2005)

this is positive hardcore? maybe they should have tipped off their covert art guy to this fact

- jons the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

_911 (October 18, 2005)

it's one of those albums that totally grows on you and when it does it kicks you right in the ass.

theundergroundscene (October 18, 2005)

ughhhhhh i still don't know about this one!!!

6/10

i was let down

William_David (October 18, 2005)

Just wanted to say I enjoyed reading the review. You obviously have an extensive musical knowledge, and did a great job referring to other groups to help your review. Honestly, it was a good review.

With that said, I don't completely agree with you. I don't think the album is bad by any means. It just seems kind of generic. To me, they seem to blend in to the crowd. Once again, not insulting your review, but I didn't see anything special here.

TheOneTrueBill (October 18, 2005)

http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/showreview.aspx?reviewID =451 The blabbermouth crowd doesn't like this

jamespastepunk (October 18, 2005)

Truth be told, new stuff from With Honor always outclasses the stuff that came bafore it, for me.

I listened to Heart, loved that, then heard the split, listened to that exclusively, and now I'm on to this. They keep getting better, and I'll say that till I'm blue in the face.

fallingupwards84 (October 18, 2005)

at first I didnt like the clean vocals, but its grown on me and I think this is a fantastic album.
cant wait to see these guys again on tour.

inagreendase (October 18, 2005)

I liked the split songs better, but this is still good. But did McTernan think he had Hot Water Music in the studio? The production on the vocals is pretty muffled.

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