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AFI / Dillinger Escape Plan

AFI / Dillinger Escape Plan: live in New Yorklive in New York (2006)
Universal Music Group

Reviewer Rating: 3.5


Contributed by: InaGreendaseBrian
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I was probably one of very few looking forward to all 3 bands on a bill featuring goth neo-gods AFI with the Dillinger Escape Plan and Nightmare of You. I guess they could all be considered "dark" bands on one plane or another, but the diversity is plain and clear. Nightmare of You, of course, pl.


I was probably one of very few looking forward to all 3 bands on a bill featuring goth neo-gods AFI with the Dillinger Escape Plan and Nightmare of You. I guess they could all be considered "dark" bands on one plane or another, but the diversity is plain and clear.

Nightmare of You, of course, played first. I could see a few mouthing the words, but most of the crowd was just not digging it. To steal a line from one of NOY's counterparts, "[they] always criticize the Smiths...and Morrissey" (insert user response of "or they just shittily ape them!"). Front-man Brandon Reilly was providing quite the fodder for heckling with his frequent -- and seemingly exaggerated -- Holly hiccups, as well as that pterodactyl screech he lets slip in some of the band's songs, but damn if NOY wasn't playing rather tight and sounded big through Roseland Ballroom's stadium-like sound-producing capabilites. They were mostly faithful to the studio versions, but unexpectedly hearing one of those mid-song sessions of noisy toying with the effects pedals in "In the Bathroom Is Where I Want You" was a nice surprise; they sure seemed to invade the band's songwriting shortly after completion and release of NOY's first demos in early 2004, but only ended up in 1 or 2 on the full-length. Hearing my favorite of theirs ("Dear Scene...") since it was posted as a shitty Real Audio stream of it a year and a half ago was also pleasantly received; though, I'm not a fan of how "My Name Is Trouble" was 'dance-ified' on the album, and the pre-recorded keyboards here were similarly annoying. Very solid set regardless, though that was expected. Set list in order:

  • I Want to Be Buried in Your Backyard
  • The Days Go By Oh So Slow
  • In the Bathroom Is Where I Want You
  • Dear Scene, I Wish I Were Deaf
  • My Name Is Trouble
  • Why Am I Always Right?
The real highlight, the real treat however, was the Dillinger Escape Plan. Some dark, haunting music set the atmosphere as the band walked onto a stage backdropped by their standard Miss Machine banner, loud applause emanting from their small, scattered following present, and then BOOM -- they exploded into "Panasonic Youth," and surely every member of the crowd had thus made up their mind. Even in a venue as large as Roseland, the band was fantastic; I felt safe, but it was still aurally violent, drums slugging the ground and riffs sharply chopping moment after moment. The band is fully deserving of anyone who wishes to profess the cliché that the Dillinger Escape Plan is one of the most exciting, challenging bands creating music today. Highlights included Greg Puciato climbing up into the balcony and temporarily walking the ledge before "encouragement" from a security guard caused him to step down, upon completion of the song, Puciato back on the stage and simply stating "Security is pissed" while dedicating the next song to said guard, violently swinging the immensely sized speakers adorning the sides of the stage, gently tossing a piece of the drum kit at the end of the set after striking it in manic glory, and "43% Burnt"'s dragged out, panicking breakdown likely scaring many a goth there. I wish I could remember the full set, but here's most of what was played in no specific order unless mentioned:
  • Panasonic Youth [first]
  • 43% Burnt [second]
  • Sunshine the Werewolf
  • Phone Home
  • Setting Fire to Sleeping Giants
  • Sugar Coated Sour
  • When Good Dogs Do Bad Things
AFI stepped out onto the stage in grandiose fashion, but it was an entrance fully expected. Their performance was decent, but at times a little sloppy and everything seemed a bit high in the mix and therefore creating a light overbrush of static throughout the set. Davey Havok's stage presence is still one very obviously influenced by Danzig, but vocally way more intense; it seemed that in any song that required Havok's new-ish metalcore scream, he would absolutely shred his voice to pieces. Hunter and Jade seemed particularly energetic during one of the set's early offerings, "The Leaving Song Pt. II," practically sprinting from one side of the stage to the other. Only 4 of the 17 songs from the band's first 5 full-lengths were played (2 from the first 4, more specifically), and while I wasn't anticipating a wealthy amount of older material, another song or 2 from that "era" might have been nice. But rather, the majority of the set drew from 2003's Sing the Sorrow and the more recent Decemberunderground, the latter of which I find to be the band's worst since the first 2 albums -- not neccessarily bad, just horribly inconsistent. Luckily, my favorite off the album, "Kill Caustic," was played efficiently, and it was great to hear "Totalimmortal." It was sort of lame to have nearly every song's keyboards and bells and whistles overdubbed pre-recorded, but whatever -- I guess deviating from those would've sounded strange and taking the efforts to replicate them live just weren't worth it.

Havok had a little bit of trouble, but did manage his 'Jesus walk' onto the crowd's hands/heads/whatever for "God Called in Sick Today;" it wasn't as surreal as intended however, as he was stumbling quite noticeably.

If it wasn't for the support I likely wouldn't have attended this show -- hell, if it wasn't for certain circumstances I probably would have left right after Dillinger, but AFI wasn't painful to watch or anything; a mild enjoyment to let me catch my breath before the hour-thirty trek home.

Set list (in order):
  • Prelude 12/21
  • The Leaving Song Pt. II
  • Dancing Through Sunday
  • Ever and a Day
  • The Killing Lights
  • Kill Caustic
  • Summer Shudder (?)
  • Silver and Cold
  • Love Like Winter
  • A Single Second
  • The Leaving Song Pt. I (?)
  • Miss Murder
  • Days of the Phoenix
  • Girl's Not Grey
  • Totalimmortal
  • Death of Seasons
  • God Called in Sick [encore]

 

 
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blackmarketbaby (September 8, 2006)

Loved Dillinger. Swinging from the speakers and watching the emo kids below fleeing was awesome.

Allular (July 1, 2006)

The more I realize what AFI played, the more I'm realizing I'm paying to see Dillinger... *sigh*

dietcokeofpunk (June 30, 2006)

does afi ever play wester live??

TahoeJeff (June 29, 2006)

Dear Reviewer,
Was the crowd holding hands and gently swaying back and forth during AFI's set? Because that set list is fucking weak. They pretty much ignored everything before STS. That sucks.

Anonymous (June 29, 2006)

worst setlist ever?

Anonymous (June 29, 2006)

damn they didn't anywhere near that much new shit in Toronto.

Anonymous (June 29, 2006)

AFI did not play Last Kiss, Leaving Song, or This Secret Ninja either night in NYC.

evil_dead (June 28, 2006)

Yer friend lied to ya. They didn't play those two songs.

JXS

Anonymous (June 28, 2006)

I would believe this to be the second of the two nights AFI played NYC. A friend of mine was at both and told me the first night they played the last kiss and this secret ninja. I don't think I would mind if they played the majority of the newer material as long is they mixed the shit up. Celluloid Dream is awesome and so is Synthesthia, but in place of playing songs like that, we get stuck with the "hits" so fucking girls not grey, the leaving song 2, silver and cold, miss murder, totalimortal and (maybe days of the pheonix) take up a huge chunk of the songs where as they have much better songs they could be playing (not that those are bad, but they are just way too predicatble). That's what's annoying and if you see them on Warped Tour, that's like half thier set or so.

Anonymous (June 28, 2006)

I would believe this to be the second of the two nights AFI played NYC. A friend of mine was at both and told me the first night they played the last kiss and this secret ninja. I don't think I would mind if they played the majority of the newer material as long is they mixed the shit up. Celluloid Dream is awesome and so is Synthesthia, but in place of playing songs like that, we get stuck with the "hits" so fucking girls not grey, the leaving song 2, silver and cold, miss murder, totalimortal and (maybe days of the pheonix) take up a huge chunk of the songs where as they have much better songs they could be playing (not that those are bad, but they are just way too predicatble). That's what's annoying and if you see them on Warped Tour, that's like half thier set or so.

Anonymous (June 28, 2006)

maybe dillinger escape plan likes afi

tommy_jarvis (June 28, 2006)

"No one gives a shit about Dillinger Escape Plan. Reason? Their horrible music."
Man, I give a shit. That's why I said something, you silly goosecock. Anyway, I was kind of wondering why DEP hasn't talked shit on AFI yet. They seem to pick on every other band on earth, even/especially while touring with them, but I haven't heard so much as a peep about AFI making poop music.

mashole (June 27, 2006)

afi played real sloppy the show. the show itelf was real fun though but i expected much more from afi. especially jade hu i think played horribly.

Anonymous (June 27, 2006)

"No one gives a shit about Dillinger Escape Plan. Reason? Their horrible music."

This website alone is proof of how wrong you are. Your dislike for the band has NOTHING to do with their fanbase.

jacknife737 (June 27, 2006)

"i would have thought AFI would have opened. is Dillinger escape plan that unknown, or am i underestimating AFI's popularity?
i feel really disconnected."

No one gives a shit about Dillinger Escape Plan. Reason? Their horrible music.

threechordsandthetruth (June 27, 2006)

"i would have thought AFI would have opened. is Dillinger escape plan that unknown, or am i underestimating AFI's popularity?
i feel really disconnected."


Haha, dude, they are (were?) #1 on the Billboard chart. Do you really think the Dixie Chicks have heard of DEP?

I really like NOY, the vocals are a bit sickly sweet and on the first track of the record he sounds like Matt Skiba but it's good honest pop with an edge.

As for AFI, I bought tickets to see them here in October since they play the UK so infrequently and I'm wondering now if I really wanna go.

HeresLookinAtYou (June 27, 2006)

i was at this show.
the fucking AFI fans sucked ass.
i remember hearing most of them saying
"oh man that band [Dillinger] sucked so bad"
after they finished their set.

but yea, dillinger tore it up
AFI played a pretty well rounded set
and I missed nightmare of you
the end

Anonymous (June 27, 2006)

where there lots of jeffrey stars there?

Anonymous (June 27, 2006)

This was the wettest show i've ever been to. when i came out of the pit i was soaking wet with my and other people's sweat. it sucked. but the AFI show was good. they were energetic and stuff. the lighting and smoke and all that looked really epic. it was fun that's for sure.

StormOf59 (June 27, 2006)

Not podcasts... I meant the KROQ Weenie Roast webcast. They sounded awful on that.

StormOf59 (June 27, 2006)

I was at this show and I thought AFI did a much better job than they were given credit for in this review. After seeing podcasts and hearing friends talk about how Davey wasn't particularly on key anymore, I was nervous but I felt as though they did an even better job than last time they hit Roseland. I would have liked a little less Sing The Sorrow and maybe more of a mix of songs

Anonymous (June 27, 2006)

who cares about there old stuff miss murder is the best song anyway

Anonymous (June 27, 2006)

Their real old stuff is terrible anyway, stop complaining.

Anonymous (June 27, 2006)

funnnn showww

Anonymous (June 27, 2006)

i really didnt mean that to be a smartass comment about sts

i guess all i am saying is that, although this set list doesnt appeal to me, i cant really blame them or hold it against them

maybe someday they will do ike alkaline trio recently did where they play sets of their back catalogue

sickboi (June 27, 2006)

sts is now their old stuff too, you cant expect them to ignore that album

Don't be smart, you know what I meant. I guess if that's what people want to hear, then play it. I like the new albums, I still say they should be playing a little of each album though. I mean I'm all for playing a few songs from the new one, but damn, level it out some.

Anonymous (June 27, 2006)

sickboi,

sts is now their old stuff too, you cant expect them to ignore that album

they play more than a quarter of their material from pre sts, and more than half is from pre december, that is reasonable in my eyes. they had two wildly succesful albums since they left nitro, sts and december. it just seems like people want them to ignore those albums

sickboi (June 27, 2006)

I wasn't being sarcastic.

"A Single Second" is probably the only song resembling their older material I see on the set list. Shit, even "God Called in Sick Today" fits right in with how they sound now. Even when they toured for STS they were playing like 8 or so songs from the old stuff.

fallingupwards84 (June 27, 2006)

"I don't think I've heard them play a song off their first two albums live since '97 in the 3 times I've watched them since then so that is obviously not gonna happen anymore"

they played Perfect Fit on the last tour

Anonymous (June 27, 2006)

After seeing that setlist I have no desire to ever see AFI live again. It would ruin my memories of them as a real punk band back in 1997 when I saw them open for Good Riddance and another headline show with Fury 66...

feeeding5000 (June 27, 2006)

I think it's funny how some people will defend their favorite bands that sell out, even though it's kinda indefensible. AFI weren't really a hardcore band to begin with, it's just that, as opposed to being a pop-punk band, they now try to be an emo band. Right up there w/ Hawthorne, Thursday, etc.

Natty_Light (June 27, 2006)

This band has always been notorious for pushing newer material live as opposed to catering to fans of their older material. Granted, I haven't had a chance to catch them live since one of the Art of Drowning era tours but I'm not surprised they are starting to cut out those songs in favour of major label stuff. I don't think I've heard them play a song off their first two albums live since '97 in the 3 times I've watched them since then so that is obviously not gonna happen anymore. They are playing the Warped show I'm going to this year so I guess I can look forward to hearing maybe two older songs (Totalimmortal and God Called in). They have a lot of great songs throughout their career (newer albums included) so it sucks that they neglect their older fans like that. Imagine if Bad Religion or NOFX (not to compare the bands, just contrast their set list tendencies) would play sets that neglected their classic albums like that in favour of the newer albums. There would be an uproar.

Anonymous (June 27, 2006)

i didnt proof read my comment below. oh well. anyway, among all thhe mistakes...

"pre sts is what? more than 6 years old"

Anonymous (June 27, 2006)

i cant tell if sickboi's comment is sarcastic, but to him and everyone else (who i know arent being sarcastic),

if that is the set list, between 1/4 to 1/3 is from pre sts (5 of 17)

that is actually a pretty good chunck, considering pre sts is whhat?

alot of bands usually play a little less than half to half new material, and half old, which is pretty much what afi did, you hhalf to remember sts came out 3 years ago, annd people want to hear those songs too. you cant have expected half of their material come from albums written 6 or more years ago when they have two albums since then

i really do not see how people can complain about this set list realistically, unless afi were claiming thhey were gonna do something like alkaline trio recently did

you dont have to like this set list, but the "how could afi ignore their past" comments seem pretty silly

miff (June 27, 2006)

AFI's best song has to be i wanna get a mohawk(but my mom wont let me get one)

12xu (June 27, 2006)

Re: AFI's popularity. decemberunderground was #1 on Billboard's album chart the week it came out (currently #3). So, yeah, I'd say they're pretty popular.

fallingupwards84 (June 27, 2006)

at least they still play A Single Second.. that's their greatest pre-BlackSails song

sickboi (June 27, 2006)

Wow, I can't believe AFI don't play any of their older stuff, that's just fucking ridiculous. Granted, you want to push your newer material, but based on the legions of diehard fans they have, i thought you'd get at least 1/4-1/3 pre-STS.

I can honestly say I would go to this show only for DEP.

theOneTrueBill (June 27, 2006)

So now they're basically pretending like ALL of their Nitro albums don't exist? Come on, what the fuck. I can understand not wanting to play "I wanna Mohawk" or something but there's so much good stuff to be found in thier discography. The four choices are pretty fucking weak too. "God Called In Sick Today" is probably their most overrated song.

Whatever. They're not getting any more of my money. The only reason I would've gone was to see the look on most of the kids' faces when DEP came on stage.

Anonymous (June 27, 2006)

Where's the Underoath review?!?!?!?!?!?!

evil_dead (June 27, 2006)

Oh, also, "Summer Shudder" wasn't played this night, it was played for the first time ever on the second night. And it wasn't "The Leaving Song" it was "This Time Imperfect".

JXS

evil_dead (June 27, 2006)

*Dillinger

evil_dead (June 27, 2006)

Good show. I was one of the few in the front on both nights that enjoyed Dillinfer and that's a damn shame. The second night was far better. DIlliner was wilder, AFI's set list was better. Good times.

JXS

colin (June 27, 2006)

that is a weak fucking afi set

Anonymous (June 27, 2006)

veggieska,

regardless of who is a better band, or hhas the better live show, if you thought afi should open for dillinger, you have been living under a rock for the last 6 to 8 years. even when black sails came out, i think they were more popular than dillinger ever has been...that may be pushing it, but for sure for the last few afi albums

Anonymous (June 27, 2006)

Don't care for the new album but Summer Shudder is a good song.

Also, the b-sides On the Arrow and their cover of Jack the Ripper aren't bad.

tommy_jarvis (June 27, 2006)

i would have thought AFI would have opened. is Dillinger escape plan that unknown, or am i underestimating AFI's popularity?
i feel really disconnected.

MikeStupid (June 27, 2006)

I was planning on seeing AFI next month, but if they're ignoring their older stuff this much, I think I'll pass.

Especially since tickets are fucking $20. Score is for that.

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