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Whole Wheat Bread

Whole Wheat Bread: Minority RulesMinority Rules (2005)
Fighting Records

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To see that this album wasn't reviewed kinda shocked me. Whole Wheat Bread isn't the biggest band, but big enough to have their album reviewed by now. Anyways, the debut album by the black trio is suprisingly catchy. You can definitely hear shades of old Green Day in these tracks, and you can tel.
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To see that this album wasn't reviewed kinda shocked me. Whole Wheat Bread isn't the biggest band, but big enough to have their album reviewed by now.

Anyways, the debut album by the black trio is suprisingly catchy. You can definitely hear shades of old Green Day in these tracks, and you can tell that Blink-182 was a big influence on them (in fact, people have always joked around, calling the band "Black-182"). In songs like "Miss Perfection" and "Feel Like Shit," you can tell that Whole Wheat Bread are your everyday pop-punk band, but there's something about these songs that make them so catchy, you'll put this album on repeat almost immediatly.

Standout tracks on this album are "Overrated," "Loud and Clear," and the lead single, "Old Man Samson." When "Old Man Samson" starts to play, it has a country-esque beggining, then goes into a sing-along type of song, especially the chorus. They pull it off so well, you'll be suprised when you're singing along too. "Overrated" seems like it can be a second single, and talks about issues today with celebrities and how they get publicity for whatever they do. I personally think this could be the best song on the CD, maybe because it's pure punk, or it actually speaks about something that is, in fact, overrated.

I've seen Whole Wheat Bread live 4 times, and each time they get better. This album is no different. The more and more I listen to it, the more and more it gets better. If you're looking for some stuff that brings back older Green Day, you got it right here.

 

 
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taytayism (April 15, 2009)

Oh, and Fuck you Crasshole

taytayism (April 15, 2009)

I love this band, as well as this CD. I just got it a few days ago, and I have listened to it at least 5 or 6 times. Its quite the amazing CD. The bonus tracks are really neat as well. As far as them sounding like old green day, or blink 182...I hate it when people say that! This band for sure is deffinitley really poppy. But still, way better than blink 182 or old green day. Old Green Day and Blink 182 should be looking up to WWB. I hate the consistant comparison. WWB is much better than both of those bands.
WWB is an amazing punk band. Very unique.

crasshole (November 5, 2006)

These guys are asses.. They told me to quit skating the bowl at the Orlando skatepark and go else where so they could play dead on the bottom and take pikturz. I had the urge to cannon ball in and land on their chests. Boo hoo.

Anonymous (July 29, 2006)

"The only reason anyone listens to them is because they're black people playing "white people music."

and the only reason white people worship elvis is because he stole a lot of shit from black people and got famous

Anonymous (July 29, 2006)

why is this a gimmick? because theyre not white and they have a mix of influences incorporated into their sound...

screws (July 24, 2006)

This band kicks ass. I heard them in concert the other day and this C.D. does them no justice. They rock so much harder live. You can't really feel the music on this c.d. but in person they rock. It was a great concert.

Anonymous (July 24, 2006)

This reviewer is on crack. I didn't even read the review, I saw 4 stars and am calling bullshit. This band is HORRIBLE. it's the most generic, un-catchy, boring "pop punk" I've heard in years. The only reason anyone listens to them is because they're black people playing "white people music." And maybe because their agent keeps putting them on tours with the same 3 ska bands and even the worst music can grow on you if you hear it enough.

All this combined with the fact that the guys are jagoffs, one of them is a felon and a burglar (see recent posts about one of them robbing gas stations at gunpoint), no one with any self-respect should support this group of fucking assholes.

FuckYouOiOiOi (July 23, 2006)

i had a long ass discussion with a stoner buddy (who's black, not suburban black either, 'nigga black') and rap music and shit definitely IS a culture.

Anonymous (July 23, 2006)

Gee wiz,winner of the punk news message board debate team!!!
Here's a news flash geek. Nobody cares.

sickboi (July 21, 2006)

Will -

My problem is that you try to display some deep understanding of the problems of the ghetto, and a complete understanding of the underlying social causes.

I wasn't trying to call you a racist but I can see how my comments may come off that way. I actually do think you're an ineligent kid, who knows, maybe you are smarter than me. But you can't' talk as much shit.

Good arguement sexy, you win.

joeg (July 21, 2006)

who's up for a friday night kumbaya-athon? anybody? and yes, holding of hands is involved and i'm not talking that fake finger grasping shit either.

dietcokeofpunk (July 21, 2006)

I will fucking tear you apart at this since I'm smarter than you

sweet

SlowStupidHungry (July 21, 2006)

Uh, what? I never said anything about Dead Prez or Mos Def. I enjoy albums by both of those artists. I've never said all hip hop is negative. I said the majority of mainstream rap is. I don't get it. No matter what I type here, you're going to accuse me of being wrong and racist and misunderstanding with out-of-the-blue comments. You switched your argument from "fuck you, racist blah blah blah" to "mainstream rap isn't bad!" to "not all hip hop is mainstream!" and I don't even fucking know what you're trying to get at, besides pathetically trying to show me up on the message board because my opinions usually aren't popular. If you want to disagree with me, fine. But if you're going to try to debate stuff, have a fucking coherent argument and don't step up trying to just boost your ego, because I will fucking tear you apart at this since I'm smarter than you.

fallingupwards84 (July 21, 2006)

good point on Dead Prez... i'm not a big fan of hip hop, but they're one of the few artists i really enjoy.

they have an album titled "Get Free or Die Trying" (an obvious stab at 50 Cent's record "Get Rich or Die Trying)

sickboi (July 21, 2006)

I'd like to hear Will's take on artists like Dead Prez, Talib Kweli, Mos Def and the Roots. They embrace the "ghetto culture", but speak about the downside of poverty and continuous struggle to break out of it.

Will, whether you understand this or not, but P Diddy and Jay Z do not represent real hip-hop culture. Jay Z did with Reasonable Doubt, but slowly drifted to a mainstream sound, which got him a larger audience, but alienated a lot of his early fans.

Just like you have your "meathead" fans of punk, you have your "thugs" in hip-hop. Doesn't mean either side is completely full of homophobia, sexism and violence.

fallingupwards84 (July 21, 2006)

"A problem with what? Hip hop?
You are looking for a problem, because everybody here has been pretty clear to use the term "mainstream rap" or "mainstream depiction.""

WWB does not qualify as mainstream hip-hop, yet you are bashing them for rapping in some of their music. that's fine if you don't like it... but if they want to incorporate some hip hop in their music, then more power to them. that is the culture they were brought up in, so why not?

ElVaquero (July 21, 2006)

i think i have to agree with will somewhat, but maybe i just like articulate message board conversations haha

but seriously, these guys seem chill to hang and smoke with and whatever but the music is pretty lame. it's a little gimmicky but so is flogging molly/mike park/real mckenzies/whatever but i think those bands make tight, original music, whereas i stopped liking mxpx after freshman year of high school

JKyle (July 21, 2006)

One of the best pop-punk albums I've heard in a while. Also an energetic live show. I'm seeing them again next week with Reel Big Fish and Streetlight Manifesto. Rock on.

SlowStupidHungry (July 21, 2006)

"if you do have a problem with that, then yes, you believe in white supremacy. you believe that white culture is inherently better than black culture."

A problem with what? Hip hop?

You are looking for a problem, because everybody here has been pretty clear to use the term "mainstream rap" or "mainstream depiction." There's good hip hop, but the rap subgenre is not it right now.

And white people thinking hip hop sucks does not constitute racism, despite what P Diddy would have you think. I don't think black people who think Norweigan black metal sucks are racist.

Anonymous (July 20, 2006)

To everyone waxing philosophical about hip-hop music and "ghetto culture:"

It's demonstrable that more than 80% of that stuff is consumed by white people. It's so popular because that market is voting with their dollars to see black culture presented in an over-simplified, nearly sub-human way.

This sort of shit is gunning for that enormously profitable demographic by playing to its tacitly racist expectation of black music.

Anything that stresses image over substance, or uses a gimmick to sell an otherwise unremarkable and useless idea, fucking sucks.

Suburban white kids are so universally into either "rap" or "punk rock" because both are offensive to their parents. Black people and mohawks both scare WASPs.

This band embodies the worst of both worlds. And if you don't already know, all these Uncle Tom ass-kissin' niggas got to go.

The end.

Scruffy (July 20, 2006)

I can't speak for everyone, but the reason I used the adjective "mainstream" was to separate that crap from intelligent, underground rap.

fallingupwards84 (July 20, 2006)

some of you are criticizing mainstream rap for promoting "negativity" among black youth.. but you should not blame the ENTIRE hip-hop culture for that, which it seems you are doing.

do you really have a problem with WWB liking rap and incorporating some of it into their music? i dont think their lyrics are negative at all.
if you do have a problem with that, then yes, you believe in white supremacy. you believe that white culture is inherently better than black culture.

Anonymous (July 20, 2006)

I thought mainstream rap dropped the gangsta image a while ago. It seems everything I've heard recently makes that stuff looks substantial, as all the new singles seem to be about dancing at clubs and how hot girls are. Maybe I'm wrong and I haven't heard a whole lot of mainstream rap recently, which would be a good thing for me.

I have never heard Whole Wheat Bread.
Do they really sound like blink-182, Green Day and MxPx, or do they sound like all the bands that got compared to Blink-182, Green Day and MxPx?

-Scruffy

coldwaffles (July 20, 2006)

picked this up for a buck. wonder if it will be worth that buck.

Marlon (July 20, 2006)

Why do you hate me Will?

GreenVandal (July 20, 2006)

I like how you guys try to goad Will into responses, and then when he actually responds in a intelligent manner you spazz out and take everything he says out of context. I do the same things sometimes. It is a fun game.

I agree with him. You should see what listening to mainstream hip-hop has done to my brother and his friends. People in real "ghettos" are constantly reminded that they are on the bottom of the barrel and told by rappers on TV how they should be living their lives. They are sold this lie that they live in a different world that exists with some different code of ethics, and that to succeed in this "culture" they have to be as brutal and emotionless as possible. Kill and do drugs cuz thats all your good for. Nevermind that they have all the potential to accomplish far more then that. MTV glossed over that little fact.

True poverty can be pretty upsetting and make you feel hopeless and like you cant accomplish anything. When the entertainment marketed to your cross section tells you that all these lies are the only way to live, sometimes people latch on because they can't see it any other way. Not everyone is ghettos are like that. Shit, most of them probably aren't! But I have seen the consequences of a subculture based around saying you are worthless unless you adhere to the code of the streets. It is not a ideaolgy that is easily taken away from someone who decides to adhere to it.

Is that rascist? No. It happens to all races. You don't need different colored skin or to be a different nationality to be poverty stricken, and I see the poor as the victims of the most racism. Hopelessness is basically marketed to them. Rich black men are criticized a whole shit load less then poor black men. Same goes for white people or asians or anyone else. To be poor is to represent the worst of your ethnicity in some bigoted people's eyes and thats just not realistic. A subculture that takes advantage of that in order to make a profit by feeding into peoples hopelessness is just fucking disgusting. I'm glad that REAL hip-hop from real artists that actually have something to say is starting to becomed more recognized.

Thank you mainstream media! You always find a way to destroy everything that everyone holds dear!

That was much longer then I meant for it to be :/ You are a good semeritan if you actually red this far. And this band is just kind of there. Not very good music.

dietcokeofpunk (July 20, 2006)

Okay, it's a good thing I don't live my life attempting to validate myself to some jerkoff from a message board whom I've never me

isn't that what your doing by replying over and over....

SlowStupidHungry (July 20, 2006)

"Will, have you ever been in a ghetto? Ever known anyone that has?"

Uh, yeah, it's called Northeast Kansas City, Missouri. It's a pretty famous ghetto. I also volunteer at the Infoshop that's located on Troost.

"Doubtful. Believe it or not, but you can pursue an education and still pursue "rims, rides and ho's". Its called different tastes. Just like they think they kids with patches, leather jackets, shaggy hair, Doc Martins and so on are lame. Your generalization based soley on a common stereotype is disgusting. There are white ghetto's too you know. "

Doubtful? Okay, it's a good thing I don't live my life attempting to validate myself to some jerkoff from a message board whom I've never met. Culture IS more than taste. I hate to bring up this argument, and you'll probably try to caste her as some "white devil," but my mom is an English teacher at Northeast High School, and you should try telling her that rap and the mainstream version of what being black should mean are helping things down there. Yeah, punk or whatever you want to equate the black culture to in terms of whiteness or whatever can accidentally encourage capitalism, host sexism, or have homophobic fans, etc.- but it's not a fucking celebration. And that's a fucking fact. You're trying to twist what I'm saying into "black= horrible, evil rap music listening demons." All I'm saying is that A LOT of what the mainstream rappers tell ghettoes is negative and encourages bad behavior.

And yes, there are white ghettoes, most of the poverty in this country is rural, where the majority of people are white.

"I don't support how projects have come to be, but I will tell you that there are a lot of people in them that try to make the best of the situation through things like family, friendship and so on. Just because a kid is into hip-hop, would like a nice car in a style different from your tastes and gets plenty of booty, doesn't mean he isn't also studying his ass off to try to get a scholarship to a school to make something of himself."

Uh, no shit. I never said that listening to hip hop equates to wanting to be a pimp. I said that the overwhelming majority of what mainstream rap tells kids is negative. Not negative in a stupid, nihilist way. Negative in a "homophobia, sexism, and capitalism are good" way. Yeah, that doesn't mean everyone or even most people buy into it. But if you're the one who thinks it doesn't factor in to how young minorities see themselves, you're the one who has never been to the ghetto.

sickboi (July 20, 2006)

Will, have you ever been in a ghetto? Ever known anyone that has?

Doubtful. Believe it or not, but you can pursue an education and still pursue "rims, rides and ho's". Its called different tastes. Just like they think they kids with patches, leather jackets, shaggy hair, Doc Martins and so on are lame. Your generalization based soley on a common stereotype is disgusting. There are white ghetto's too you know.

I don't support how projects have come to be, but I will tell you that there are a lot of people in them that try to make the best of the situation through things like family, friendship and so on. Just because a kid is into hip-hop, would like a nice car in a style different from your tastes and gets plenty of booty, doesn't mean he isn't also studying his ass off to try to get a scholarship to a school to make something of himself.

SlowStupidHungry (July 20, 2006)

"Believe it or not Will, but the ghetto lifestyle has become a fucking culture. Doesn't mean they are all selling crack and shooting people. You are so fucking thick."

What a myth. I'm not saying whether the culture is worth anything or not, but it is an invention of the patriarchy in order to keep some minorities from sustaining a lifestyle that will make them able to advance in our society. Say all you want about the advantages and disadvantages, the rights and the wrongs, but ultimately what the mainstreamed ghetto culture (which does not mean all culture that exists in ghettos, by a long shot) tells kids is that school, education, etc. aren't as important as rims, rides, and hos. I'm not saying this is what people in lower income areas believe or that everyone buys into that lie, but the fake obligations sold to them are still damaging enough in the fact that they exist.

The rest of your comment was too juvenile to warrant any sort of thoughtful retort. All I'll say is that people who haven't examined the patient probably shouldn't be diagnosing the disease.

joeg (July 20, 2006)

i think wwb walks the fine line of gimmick band or not but ultimately, i don't see it. i understand how they could be called a gimmick band because we see how much they flaunt their hip-hop culture and background. but then you have to ask yourself, if that's who they really are in real life, then how can it be a gimmick? maybe they add some flavor to their live show but that's harmless and hardly reason to label them as a gimmick.

i don't know, i think they're pretty mediocre and generic anyways but a lot of big name bands seem to be taking them out on tour so part of wwb promoting themselves also has to do with things beyond their control.

sickboi (July 20, 2006)

We totally need to start a internet support group for our kind...

CUBE WARRIORS.

(Will is laughing at how we are selloutz as I type this)

Dante3000 (July 20, 2006)

Owch, I felt that one from here.
Trust me I interviewed monday with a company that's fast looking to make me a cube warrior.
-Dante

sickboi (July 20, 2006)

Is working at the Science Museum, all day on AIM, the real world?

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrn.

EyesLikeBombs (July 20, 2006)

It's just plain racist to call this band a gimmick unless you have some sort of intimate knowledge of how they came to be a band. I would seriously consider hitting people if said people said some stupid shit like that.

Dante3000 (July 20, 2006)

Don't listen to Sickboi, Will.
He has yet to send me a postcard, fucking liar.
-Dante

Anonymous (July 20, 2006)

Well put sickboi. I agree 100%. Score is for that.

sickboi (July 20, 2006)

"Ghetto Trash"?

Believe it or not Will, but the ghetto lifestyle has become a fucking culture. Doesn't mean they are all selling crack and shooting people. You are so fucking thick.

As for your "Warped crowd" comment, what an elitist douche you are. You wonder why those kids are suspect of the real undergound scene? Because of pricks like you. Assholes that are so fucking pretentious about their "scene" that god forbid anyone not wear whatever fucking costume you retards are sporting this season. OMG! He's wearing an Abercrombie & Fitch shirt! What a fucking poser!

Sure some of these kids are assholes, just hitching onto the latest trend, but you generalization is just as bad as saying all black people steal or some other classification bullshit.

You my friend, and your pathetic attitude, are exactly what's wrong with independent music. Your desire to keep it hidden in your back pocket, fearing your favorite band may get "too big" is shallow and sad. When you get to the real word, I'll send you a postcard.

LMChc (July 20, 2006)

"the matisyahu of punk rock"

They're Hasidic too?

I know they're not and where you're going, but your analogy doesn't work, period.

SlowStupidHungry (July 20, 2006)

Okay, I forgot that people with the internet don't have ethnic heritage and cannot be minorities. Sorry, my mistake. You're "the man."

Anonymous (July 20, 2006)

"There's no doubt that a lot of minorities' cultures (including my own, Croatian) can be as fucked up as mainstream white peoples'. It's up to us as minorities..."

fuck you Will, you're not a minority.
stop trying to act like you're the fucking man, because you're nothing but an elitist prick.
i'd like to hear you tell a poor black family living in the ghettos that you're a "minority".. before you return back home to mommy's house to post some more on the internet, of course.

Anonymous (July 20, 2006)

TV On The Radio > Whole Weat Bread

SlowStupidHungry (July 20, 2006)

Ha, even though Brian just wrote one of the most ridiculous non-flame bait posts since people actually felt sorry for Billy Talent an hour or so ago, I suppose he had the best of intentions.

But seriously, though. Stop recognizing a difference in cultures? Ignoring it widens the gap in understanding. Pretending that different ethnicities are all the same is an ideal, but as far as a reality? I don't think the erasing of cultures is going to help anything, but reasoning with them might. There's no doubt that a lot of minorities' cultures (including my own, Croatian) can be as fucked up as mainstream white peoples'. It's up to us as minorities to look at our cultural heritage and detest what we know is wrong. Not be led by what society and our sell-out peers tell us we are (and for blacks and hispanics, that ammounts to ghetto trash).

That said, inflicting "race guilt" is bullshit. No one should be guilt tripped into RESPECTING OTHER PEOPLE. Not to mention that America's cultural "melting pot" is a lot more complicated than "white= passively destroying minorities' hopes and dreams."

As for this... Stupid band, stupid gimmick, and most importantly, stupid music. Leave this shit for the Warped kids.

fallingupwards84 (July 19, 2006)

"Spoken like a true white kid"

exactly.

its funny, because some of the same politicians who fought for segregation in the South in the 1960s (like Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond) told everyone in the 1980s and 1990s that we should be "color blind".
hmmmm... strange, isnt it?

boba_fett (July 19, 2006)

white suburbia rekognize foo!

Dante3000 (July 19, 2006)

he only time we're going to get past racism is when we stop talking about "races" and seeing "differences" in people.
Spoken like a true white kid.
-Dante

inagreendase (July 19, 2006)

so i dont see why you guys are all up in arms about them being black and pointing it out.

The only time we're going to get past racism is when we stop talking about "races" and seeing "differences" in people. WWB just put it out there for further discussion and recognition.

boba_fett (July 19, 2006)

i think these guys are great. since we're all part of the human species, we're all the same race. so i dont see why you guys are all up in arms about them being black and pointing it out.

KungPowza (July 19, 2006)

"When I say 'kill,' you say 'whitey!'"

I saw these guys with Streetlight Manifesto and Reel Big Fish. While Streetlight was the highlight of the show for me, I definitely enjoyed WWB better than RBF.

seclusionrecords (July 19, 2006)

It'd be great if they were trying to do something different. What they're doing is Limp Bizkit-esque raps with MXPX-esque songs.

fallingupwards84 (July 19, 2006)

"Not only that but they act like they blend rap and punk? No. I saw them live and they do stupid acapella "freestyles" in between songs."

yea dude.. how dare they try to do something different. shame on them.

Anonymous (July 19, 2006)

this band sucks. people just pretend to like them because they think its like racism or something to say that they are a pathetic band. its seriously terrible music. boring.

seclusionrecords (July 19, 2006)

First, this band is terrible. Just bad, terrible music.

I saw them live and they were just as bad. Not only that but they act like they blend rap and punk? No. I saw them live and they do stupid acapella "freestyles" in between songs. Besides not having impressive flows or ryhmes, it just makes it a complete joke when then they go into what could easily pass as an MXPX B-side.

This band had to be invented by a major label, I'm convinced.

ChokingVictim (July 19, 2006)

When I saw them in concert, they said "pop-punk isn't 13 year old white girl music, this is real nigga music right here".

Call me easily amused, but I thought that was the funniest thing. I like this band because they appear to be having fun and don't take themselves too seriously.

sickboi (July 19, 2006)

Dante -

You left out The Chinkees.

Its tongue in cheek. They play fun pop-punk, and probably push the whole "we're black thing" to get kids to laugh, lighten up and have a good time. I mean seriously, if they just played and didn't say shit, you'd be a little suspect of them. Doesn't condone it, but that's how society has made everyone think. They are basically breaking the ice by what they do, and I for one think its awesome.

socrates (July 19, 2006)

when I found out about these guys I found it awesome and hilarious at the same time. come on, black punkrockers? they look like rappers! great stuff! generally I think that poppunk sucks ass, but in my eyes these guys have that "something" to stand out (besides being black, of course).

Anonymous (July 19, 2006)

The label is not an incubator. There is no major backing. Dave King is from Ireland, not LA. He happened to live in LA after his band Fastway broke up. That is where he formed Flogging Molly. Who cares if WWB bring up the fact that they're black? Every time I've had the misfortune of seeing the Dropkick Murphys at warped, I've have to deal with retards who bring big huge irish flags with them. Never had to deal with gang bangers at a WWB show. WWB is also from Jacksonville. I don't know if you've ever been to Jacksonville, but they still have a lot of nazis and kkk types hanging out down there. I think it's great that they say shit like "who came to see some black people?!" I can also see the humor that is implied.

danperrone (July 19, 2006)

the matisyahu of punk rock

Anonymous (July 19, 2006)

"Whole Wheat Bread is because they consistently shove the fact down your throat. Look at their name."

why? their name isn't "we're bliggity black! bitches" or "Check out our black asses!" or NWA.

lol_omg_wtf_nambla (July 19, 2006)

Solid. It's good to see punk music becoming less monochromatic. Also, Dave King is Irish. Flogging Molly is from LA.

ozmanx (July 19, 2006)

Damn it feels good to be a punxsta

Dante3000 (July 19, 2006)

I can't think of any white rappers that remind their audience that they're white in a predominantly black music scene.
Lots of white rappers note that they're white (shit Eminem has written a dozen songs about it). Even great underground artists like Slug mention it once in a while. Some don't, but lots do.

I simply just don't see how WWB is worse than a lot of other, white bands.
Shit Real Makenzies are from Canada for shits sake, and they talk with Scotish accents.
Mike Park (whom I respect greatly) has a label named Asian Man Records, a band called the Bruce Lee Band and a song called "Don't Sit Next to Me Just Because I'm Asian".
I love both of these artists but they're at least as "gimmicky" as people claim WWB to be. Maybe the music sucks (hell I my copy of this album broke and I'm not troubled) but it sucks on it's own accord.
-Dante

R3venge_Therapy (July 18, 2006)

It seems like a rare thing to happen, but I actually agree with inagreendase on this one. I don't care that they're black, because music is music, and that's all there is to it. But when you're constantly taunting the fact that you're a different color in a predominantly white music scene, it doesn't help. I can't think of any white rappers that remind their audience that they're white in a predominantly black music scene.

And while their songs are juvenile much like Blink 182's old material, I find it nearly impossible to listen to seeing as how I absolutely abhorr rap, much less pop punk rap. ugh.

Anonymous (July 18, 2006)

Very fun to see live, very cool and down to earth guys.

inagreendase (July 18, 2006)

And yes, they are black, and let you know it. Flogging Molly are Irish, they let you know it. Mike Park is Asian, he sure as hell lets you know it. Move on.

I don't know, it's a fine line. Does Mike Park yell out at shows "Who came here to see some Asian people???"

Not to mention that when Park references his race, it tends to be a brief, playful jab (e.g. the name of his label), or inteilligent anayslsis of race relations ("Don't Sit Next to Me Just Because I'm Asian").

Flogging Molly sing prideful, anthemic songs about their homeland. I haven't ever seen the band live, so who knows, there might be some gimmicky portions there.

I'm not heavily into either, but from my standpoint, they're not gimmicks for those reasons.

Whole Wheat Bread is because they consistently shove the fact down your throat. Look at their name. Look at the album title. Okay, we get it. I don't get a sense of pride or intelligent commentary when listening to their songs (otherwise juvenile pop-punk that honestly doesn't sound many steps away from its mainstream derivations), and while I know that's not the point of the band, it probably should be if they're going to constantly say, in so many words, "Hey, we're black, in case you forgot!" and continuously shift the focus from the actual music.

Anonymous (July 18, 2006)

Four Stars, gimmie a break

Anonymous (July 18, 2006)

ps-i guarantee these dudes started this band ONLY to fuck underage white girls.

-b. styles

Anonymous (July 18, 2006)

wow, four stars?!

this shit is awful. gimmick band.
and their bassist or something got arrested in my city...for robbing an oil change place!!! lol,fucking idiot.

b.styles

Dante3000 (July 18, 2006)

I love it. Suddenly a band comes out that isn't singing about the white suburban struggle and it's a gimmick.
Now, if they came out in ninja outfits that'd be a gimmick (a fucking cool one too). But I've talked with them after a show and they seemed to be the same guys then that they were on stage.
Sure they make pop punk, sure they like rap and sure they're black. That's NOT a gimmick, it's part of who they are. Like Sickboi said, I don't hear this kind of outrage with bands like Flogging Molly, Dropkick Murphy's, Vooddoo(sp) Glow Skulls, Mike Park, The Pouges or any other band who mentions their heritage. But black people do it and "OH, NOES!!! A GIMMICK!"
Please. If you think it sucks, then you think it sucks, but it's not a gimmick.
-Dante

sickboi (July 18, 2006)

Anyone questioning these guys should watch the interview I did with them:

http://punknews.org/article/16658

Yeah, they're a gimmick, so they reference bands like Alice in Chains, Nirvana, Rancid and Green Day. Its obvious they just tend to like punk music, and hip hop. So do I, so do a lot of people.

And yes, they are black, and let you know it. Flogging Molly are Irish, they let you know it. Mike Park is Asian, he sure as hell lets you know it. Move on.

And Aubin -
I thought Fighting Records was an incubator, or at least had some major label interest? Isn't this the only band on their roster? Seems kinda weird...

Anonymous (July 18, 2006)

They suuuuuuuck.

With that said, I still have to go through them to watch Reel Big Fish and Streetlight Manifesto in concert.

Its soooooooo worth it though.

Anonymous (July 18, 2006)

4 stars for this garbage. are you guys serious???

Anonymous (July 18, 2006)

my friend once said it best......

dropkick eddie murphys

one time!!!!!!!

Anonymous (July 18, 2006)

So is their bassist out of jail yet?

Anonymous (July 18, 2006)

I don't know why people freak out and scream gimmick at the mear mention of this band's name. Gimmick or no gimmick it's pretty harmless and a really silly thing to get hung up on. And here's a news flash for you: Every band has a gimmick on varying levels of cheese. So chill the fuck out.

That being said, this band reminds me a little too much of Mxpx. And I've never liked Mxpx.

fallingupwards84 (July 18, 2006)

i saw these guys live last night and they were absolutely incredible

i'm gonna have to check this album out

jockmcbored (July 18, 2006)

like them

Anonymous (July 18, 2006)

no thanks.

aubin (July 18, 2006)

Gimmick? I'm sorry, but I doubt these guys planned to be born black so they could, twenty years later, form a small indie pop-punk band.

I'm pretty sure they were black before they started a band, ergo it's not a gimmick, it just seems that way because of how homogenous, white, suburban and Christian punk and hardcore are these days.

Anonymous (July 18, 2006)

these guys blow.
black, white, fuckin green.
a gimmick is a gimmick is a gimmick, and if the only way you can grab peoples attention is by expoliting your own color, you dont deserve to be reviewed by anyone.
power pop punk by 3 gnarly wankstas with attitude problems and an inability to keep their dicks in their pants.

DiscoFucker (July 18, 2006)

Where is a review of one of these new Rancid shows?

Anonymous (July 18, 2006)

i like this band a lot. can't wait to see them again in a couple weeks.
that new song '206'(?) is the shit.

Anonymous (July 18, 2006)

yes, because black people who play guitars are automatically influenced by the bad brains or jimi hendrix.

fart.

DenBez (July 18, 2006)

Their wepage compares them to Bad Brains, then says they draw on a wide variety of influences, from Rancid to Green Day.

Fucking pathetic.

Anonymous (July 18, 2006)

Just saw them open for rancid 2 nights ago, rancid were amazing. these guys were really entertaining, some hip hop, some hard core, some rap. good shit.

paul

Anonymous (July 18, 2006)

Gimmick gimmick gimmcik.

Anonymous (July 18, 2006)

RKL: When I get a wireless card for my computer and am on AIM again, I'll try. Right now, I'm back and forth between my roommate's computer and my wife's laptop.
In AP, the owners of Revelation said that they still listen to The Monroe Doctrine every day. It's freaking awesome.

mcgregor107 (July 18, 2006)

black-182?! hahahh, genius!
score is for that..

but i have actually listened to this album.. it's solid pop-punk.

Anonymous (July 18, 2006)

I really really really really cannot stand this band. I want to like them because they seem like they're just in it for the fun and for the music, but the only songs I can tolerate are Old Man Sampson and Symbol of Hope. Symbol of Hope really fucking rules though.

sickboi (July 18, 2006)

I put off reviewing this for so long, so thanks.

Great, great album. Really fun, and lots of energy.

OMGZ!!! PEEPZ LIK DEM CUZ DEY BLAKZ!!!!

rkl (July 18, 2006)

scruffy: i demand that you send me this album so that i can determine whether your comments are correct, or if you are just drunk.

video_cognito (July 18, 2006)

I've seen them maybe three times, but no less than twice, and I have to agree that they seem to put on a better show every time you see them. They're just straight, fast pop-punk.

Scruffy (July 18, 2006)

So, if you guys are posting reviews of older CDs again, is my review of Farside's The Monroe Doctrine going to go up? 'Cause it's a travesty more people don't own that album. It should be up there with Dear You and Clarity.

Anonymous (July 18, 2006)

More like Black-182. Ami rite?

MikeStupid (July 18, 2006)

No mention of "Scar Your Lungs?" That song rules.

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