Big fan of subhumans/culture shock/citizen fish so I was quite excited with this new material. Not very familiar with LOC but what I've heard I liked. Well what can I say about this dissappointment?

1. Citizen fish's half is where this CD get's it's score, some good tracks here and it was nice to see the fish using horns again.

2. LOC's half is garbage. Some mediocre songs at best followed by two god-awful covers. Supermarket song has been raped of any enjoyment I once had, after hearing stza's gravelly voice murder such good lyrics I can't even bring myself to listen to the original. Reason for existance is a bit better, just like the rest of LOC's part of this CD...mediocre at best.

This CD would be much much better if LOC wasn't on it, perhaps a citizen fish EP? or save the material for a full length? DOn't bother wasting your cash

there is a leftover crack song on here that sounds exactly like a blink-182 song.

Its me again to add a 2nd review for the album, I Bought the cd, The Day it was releaced febuary 16th or somthing... whatever and soon after that ( a week latter ) i Bought it on vinyle, cause im OCD like that, yeah yeah yeah. And after having it for about two months now, its come to be not as good as i thought it was when i first bought it, usually how it goes for splits, its really good, but its a split, and the cool thing about splits is that you get two tastes of two cultures, and this is probably my favorit split, but The bad thing about splits, or at leatst this split, and same goes for "baby jesus sliced up in the manger" but i think its just the simple fact that the band didnt get to come out with an entire album of work, instead of that, its most likely due to creative differences and time, and having to shuve everything into this mutch space, cutting things out, and off, and adding things you know... probbaly alot of cut and paste shit, but i really like it, i think all LOC fans should have it, and If you never heard Citizen Fish, you should, theyre a really good band, If you like ska, if you dont like ska... well... answer me this, why do you listen to Leftover Crack? Choking Victim? or anything that falls under the whole "crack rock steady seven" Thing? Leftover Crack is allways amazing, everything they have came out with is either amazing or epic, so go out and buy it, or make a copy of yer friends, cuz its all good, yeah yeah yeah. Jello still trips my trigger and i love the whole Dictor intro, MDC all the way, sutch a great band also... Listen to it, make an oppinion then you can judge it.

i was kinda disappointed by this; there was a huge build up and wait for this album but it was really only half way decent. i say half way decent because the citizen fish songs were great. its obvious they put a ton of work into it and tried hard. i dont think leftover crack did the same. though obviously i could be dead wrong; just my opinion

really not that good. the citizen fish cover of clear channel (fuck off!) sucked. ska sucks. and the lead singer of citizen fish has an annoying voice. the intro for loc was cheasy. loc's songs were mediocre. dont buy it just download it cause it is sort of ammusing nothing great though.

really not that good. the citizen fish cover of clear channel (fuck off!) sucked. ska sucks. and the lead singer of citizen fish has an annoying voice. the intro for loc was cheasy. loc's songs were mediocre. dont buy it just download it cause it is sort of ammusing nothing great though.

Whoa, dude. You quoted a band! Good job defending all the harsh criticism that the suburban elite can't judge you with! Grow up, get a life, and read a fucking newspaper or something.

CRACK ROCK STEADY HAIL THE GOAT 666 69 GET DRUNK CRACK ROCK STEADY DUDEZ REAL PUNX IN TEH FUCKING STREETS

The album obviously in my opinion, is that its amazing. i love it. Split albums usually suck for me because one band sucks, and the other is asome, and i think about the money that i wasted on the shity band. But when it comes to citizen fish, well, how could i say no? Subhumans have allways been good, and good things age well, Citizen fish isnt one of thoue bands that just keep coming out with songs that suck, Fish write the best songz and really capture a mix of punk and ska. Leftover crack has allways been one of thoues bands, you love or hate. i love them. instead of fighting about if theyre crust, punk or what ever. Leftover crack for one thing are not pro-anarchy, or devil worshipers i quote Mr. Crack aka Stza.

“I’m not an Anarchist. I’m an Autonomist and an Atheist. I wonder if there’s a way I can make that into one word. Atheotonomist. I use Satan as a metaphor for my Atheism. Also, I really do dig the décor; the Goat of Mendez. Lick the hoof. Get down and lick the hoof, America. There’s some beautiful art associated with Satan.”
-stza

And when it comes to Squating and what ever... another segment of words striat from stza's Mouth...

“Squatting... It’s when you go to an abandoned building and live in it. I guess any abandoned place. It doesn’t have to be fucked up looking. You could have a nice squat. You could have a garden. You could have electricity, running water, heat. Whatever you can pirate. Whatever you can steal, it’s yours, and then you’re a squatter.”

the intro to The crack side is asome, and makes me smile to mutch (MDCs DICTOR is part of it)

and Jello Biafra speeks a bit in Babby punchers, its really cool cuz the 7'' was Stza talking and Jello on the cd, asome....gotta love Jello man...

either way if you wanna aceptt it or not, Leftover Crack has done it again, and citizen fish has Done it as well.

another album, another fight if its good or not, i dont care anymore, i love it, you hate it? fine, go listen to yer shit stained Rancid LPs, whatever man.

Jello Crack Fish Crust "billions of dead cops" = DEADLINE...

its great music, take it or leave it.

Oh, god, the site I just mocked (because I'm an ass) is done by a girl! I didn't know that a girl could have such terrible taste in music. God, I'm as ass.

I really like anonymous's post. Truly excellent and well-phrased. Oh, I don't think there's really a distinction between "crust" and "anarcho-crust". I think that if the lyrics aren't left-wing, then it's just metal. I guess we shouldn't be arguing about "gateway" bands - I mean, I wouldn't be the eliteist, money-wasting asshole I am now if not for buying Dookie. Oh, I found the stupidest website ever: http://www.chaospunx.com/ .The kid who runs this is an ignoramus and an asshole, so we should all mock him. Yeah, that sounds good.

Damn, I just typed a lot of alliterations, probably should have read over my post... I'm fucking tired, been working third shift. You guys know what I mean anyways

I like how all the people here categorize and stereotype every kind of music and type of "punk rocker," it's ridiculous. People, there's a lot of different bands that can be considered crust, or anarcho crust, they don't have to sound like fucking Amebix or Aus Rotten to be Crust. They don't have to be released by Profane Existence to be crust, either, and you don't have to have the whole vegan, pro anarchy, squatter's mindset to be into crust music. I love crust music and I shave my head, don't smoke weed, and have a job. I like the message of freedom and equality it promotes...

...And as for LoC being the ICP of punk rock, sure, lots of kids like them, and sure, they're on some pretty big record labels now, but at least the majority of their songs promote a good message in a lot of their songs (Although the cop killing, anti-religion, sub-satanic stuff is childish) If you look past the shock songs, there's actually quite a bit of good stuff in their releases...

As for this release, it's quite sub-standard of LoC. There's really no new ground covered, or any educational material found, just references to past endeavors and stale political whining. The songs aren't as catchy as past releases, and the music sounds like Sum 41, which isn't a good thing. Stza sounds like he should be singing in an MTV punk band.

As for Citizen Fish, they're always the same, you always know what to expect with a release by them. Catchy ska lines, and politically dabbed lyrics or put together in a pretty mediocre experience. I'd much rather listen to a new Subhumans album.

If you're a hardcore fan of either of these bands, then you're gonna hear this album and probably like it no matter what, if you like either of them for the good stuff they've released, you'll probably dislike it. If you haven't heard either of them and are still listening to Fat Wreck/Alternative Tentacles bands, you should probably listen to this if you're interested. They are decent gateway bands, and this is more accessible than most of their other stuff. Now if you've never heard these bands and you are into crust, grindcore, D-Beat, or harder punk bands, you'll probably just toss this to the side and laugh, or it might remind you of when you were a kid just getting into punk.

i fuckin love this i saw them in philly

...could have been better

at this point I'm kinda hoping you guys'll get scrappy and someone will get kissed.

Well okay, Mr. Defensive, I wasn't trying to stomp on your dick, I was just telling you so that you might learn more and in future reviews wouldn't have to be ignorant. Maybe you don't care, but I say that reviewers/critics should at least know about music, even if they don't like it.

From Ashes Rise are closer to crust, you might have heard them. They were on Jade Tree.

-Will

Did you even read past the 1st paragraph? I basically acknowledge that I, like many, have been ignorant to certain genres for stupid reasons.

Concerning whether or not these bands are "crust", I don't really care. I'm not expert on it, but to say they have zero relation is absurd.

first of all, neither of these bands are "crust punk."

second of all, stereotypes are cool. this goes to the reviewer and alot of the comments made. douchebags.

maybe someone more informed should have written this review.

"coming from their breakthrough album, Fuck World Trade."

lols all around

I really like LOC. That must mean i'm a anoying idiotic middle class crusty punk.

The amount of ignorance and generalization that happens on what's supposed to be a diverse community, blows my mind.

The Leftover Crack songs sound similar to those that could be on FWT. They're all catchy and fun to listen to. the Citizen Fish songs are decent but get boring fast. the covers were a big letdown

Maybe because I'm old, but I'm shocked at the number of people who haven't heard Citizen Fish before. Absolutely essential, and Dick is one of the best punk lyricists around, hands down.

"Wider Than A Postcard" "Millennia Madness" "Free Souls in a Trapped Environment" are all solid albums from start to finish!

Citizen Cope>>>>>Citizen Fish

Just listened to this and both sides are fuckin' sweet. I don't give a shit if I don't agree with some of their lyrics, LoC are a fucking fun band.

for thec omment below me. you have to realize neither of these bands were gateway bands 13 years ago and only over the past few years have they become that. Yeah, let popularity tell you what to like. And either way, in response to this review and smashing the state. Those bands you listed sing about that too, but just not as extreme as other bands. But yeah, write a band off cause they like to use hyperbole or they arn't "realistic" enough for you.

These bands are both gateway bands. They are sort of hardcore, sort of fast, superficially political, kind of DIY. A shitload of kids are into them both, but not everyone who's into these bands graduates into one of the sub-genres that these bands introduce. Therefore, half the kids you see with an LOC patch on at a show will be into better music in 3 years, while the other half will break your windows and spraypaint "Up tha punx" on your rented house because anarchy rules or something.

-Ken

I bought this just for the Citizen Fish side and it's good times, I could care less about the LoC side.

If anyone wants a good introduction to Citizen Fish I suggest starting out with the albums Thirst and Millennia Madness, those are my favorites.

The rest of their albums can be a mixed bag so I just suggest giving them a fair shot.

I like the new material from Leftover Crack a lot. Those melodic-y leads add a lot to those songs.

I love me some Leftover Crack, but upon my first listen all of their songs sound like songs they have written already and are pretty predictable. This is the first I've heard of Citizen Fish though, and so far I like them. I'll have to give the whole thing a few more listens to really know.

Pleeeeaaaase don't refer to Leftover Crack as "crust" or "squat." Impressionable young people read this board; you're corrupting their fragile minds with careless writing.

the crust comparisons made me think of Axegrinder and the Electro Hippies. I then laughed my ass off, and remembered how much real crust beats the hell out Citizen Fish and Leftover Crack.

Crust bands, my ass.

the post below me is sheer insanity since the individual is commenting on how the author of this review knows nothing about Leftover Crack while simaltaneosly professing dislike of both bands on this split. look in awe.

i stopped reading this shit half way into it. i hate leftover crack and feel not much for anything after subhumans. this review was pointless. total crap. why review something you clearly dont understand. if its not up to you....damn the man. or is that too reagan for ya?

The Citizen Fish side is by far the best side of the album...Honestly, the Leftover Crack side comes off as way too poppy, with the exception of the Citizen Fish and Subhumans covers. I read that they were going to break up soon, so maybe they are trying to make people hate them before they start fresh...But who knows, kids nowadays treat whatever LOC does as gospel, so it's a tough call. I like LOC a lot, but this one isn't my cup of tea...The Citizen Fish side kicks ass though...Most kids I know will be buying it purely for the Leftover Crack songs and won't even give Citizen Fish a fair listen, which is a shame.

Not feeling the new LOC songs

"You can afford your patches, pins, bondage pants and Doc Martins, but you're gonna ask me for change? Fuck off."

Bro, you are definatly confusing Street punk with crusty kids. Most crusty kids are vegan, don't wear leather and bondage pants, and will probally have filthy filthy dreads.

"You can afford your patches, pins, bondage pants and Doc Martins, but you're gonna ask me for change? Fuck off."

These have nothing to do with the peace punk / crust scene, anyways, if you want to be picky. Everyone has these ridiculous stereotypes they wittle their "punk scene" down to - there's the norm "punks" (yourself) and the "street punx." Absurd.

"Sounds like these bands to me. Moreso LoC, but Citizen Fish has its roots in crust with Subhumans."

Subhumans are peace punk, not crust. Crust is a more metallic sound. Bass heavy doesn't mean ska-style bass. It means sweeping distorted bass ala Nausea and Misery. I'll be honest, though, there's a definite crossover in fan base here, and the whole anarcho punk mentality is pretty much one of the most annoying things ever.

-Will

Feeding, LoC are the ICP of punk, and definitely have a lot of crusty fans. I think their fan base can be cut into two sections:

Suburban middle class junior high kids.

Inconsiderate, annoying traveling crusties.

-Will

I'm with lanw on this one; I don't really see either of these bands as being crust punk.

And yes, sickboi, I too read the Wikipedia definition.

Oh, crusties who panhandle just make it harder for people who need help. I'm all for living "outside the system" and whatnot (some sarcasm there, not sure how much), but punks who choose not to have a day job should at least be contributing something during their "free time" to make the world a better place. And crust is difficult to define, as I've seen people call bands like Filth "crust", which I would say is inaccurate. Maybe it's more of a mindset than a sound.
-feeeding5000

that comment made me laugh sickboi, i needed that today-oldpunker-

Sorry to offend you strangenotes. I kinda like bathing, having running water and being able to afford to eat on my own. Not that I have anything against poverty, only those that see it as some kind of punk rock status symbol.

You can afford your patches, pins, bondage pants and Doc Martins, but you're gonna ask me for change? Fuck off.

Wow, the first paragraph is punknews.org mentality taken to the next level. OLD SCHOOL PUNK ROCK DUDES LETS GO FROST MY HAIR BEFORE THE LAWRENCE ARMS CONCERT AMIRITE?

- strangenotes

Choking Victim : Leftover Crack :: Descendents : ALL ?

I'm just sayen'. I dont really see the connection between Hellbastard/Ambix/Doom/Iskra/Dropdead and some (not too bad) ska-punk bands who wear black. If anything its ska-punk being played by crusty (arguably) kids.

Primitive lyrics, primitive music. These guys are losers.

Listen to any of the lyrics on Fuck World Trade, more specifically "Burn Them Prisons", "Gringos Son Puercos Feos" and "Feed the Children"...they all have the "discourse" of which you are speaking.

I've never thought of any of the "crack rocksteady" bands being crust or anarcho-punk; the politics are too much teenage rebellion and too little intelligent discourse. Any band that thinks that killing cops will change anything, or even that killing cops is an amusing image, is not really a "political band". I tend to think of them more as shock rock done by a bunch of squatters.
-feeeding5000

i don't know. i always associate crust with aus rotten, but i can see the similarities i guess. LOC doesn't really have the ideology of anarcho-punk though. i think they just like smelling bad.

After this leaked a few weeks ago (or two weeks... whatever), my immediate conclusion was that this was near-shit. A 3 grade at the highest.

However, I've loved everything else LOC / CV has put out, and Citizen Fish is alright (I didn't download their half yet), so fuck it, I guess I'll go pick up a copy of this. I love having real copies of albums, and it's the only thing I actually like wasting money on.

Hopefully with lyrics and such, plus the CF side, maybe I can bump this up to a 6 or 7.

What do these ska bands have to do with crust?

"Crust punk is characterized by guttural or shrill vocals (often in the form of dual vocals) and an unpolished gritty, bass-heavy sound."

Sounds like these bands to me. Moreso LoC, but Citizen Fish has its roots in crust with Subhumans.

I like the inclusion of the footnote; it gives the review a level of maturity you don't see on Pitchfork. If you were writing for Pitchfork, this review would never be published because you didn't namedrop enough imaginary bands no one's heard of, you didn't reference events in history no one remembers, and you didn't insult anyone with a large, GRE-based vocabulary.
Pitchfork sucks.
Good review.

Everybody should own Citizen Fish 'Thirst' LP. Fucking Brilliant. Dick writes some of the best lyrics i have ever read. The man's a genius.

Been waiting for this release since it was announced months ago, and must admit the songs that have already been released have been my introduction to Citizen Fish. Now if they can just keep it together long enough to make the Miami show this Thursday (already planned for three different venues).

One of your better reviews, Chris. Good job.

Can Tokyo Ska Paradise Orchestra and LOC both be ska?

This seems to be a paradox.

I love this album. Every song is fun to listen to

squatting?

What do these ska bands have to do with crust?

im really looking forward to hearing this.

original graphic for the album renamed mediocre generica:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/sxejesus/00-leftver_crac k-shoot_the_kids_at_school-front-INSO.bmp

The more Simpsons references you're able to squeeze into a review, the better.

love loc

Thank you. Brian didn't get that one at first. I guess it's kinda out of place, but for some reason that's just how my friends and I always refer to him.

I am Clin-Ton. As overlord, all will kneel trembling before me and obey my brutal commands. End communication.

i'm getting this on white vinyl from AT.

Love it. Leftover Crack gets better with every release.

first, somehow this isnt the triumphant moment i had envisioned...