Pretty sad when you have to resort to gay jokes in your argument to defend a band.

Wow...Paul shouldn't be posting on punknews. I though one of the criteria of listening to punk music was having your own personal bullshit detector. I guess he don't got one. Also, the only people who defend jock assholes are jock assholes themselves...and conservative intellectuals (that's right, football players and George Will are one and the same).

Paul: go die.

signed,

the gay community as a whole

Paul I really don't care if you have been into punk longer than me, that doesn't mean you deserve respect or you are entitled to something. I am just pissed because of society as a whole, the punk community who think it is cool to be a dick, and I just dislike mainstream music now a days is so horrible it is amazing.

Shame they stole their art off of Cute Is What We Aim for, Shame both bands suck.

"the 311 hate, while warranted, should be saved for a later time. What is needed right now is some ripping on Pepper."

I think there's not a lot of Pepper hate because a lot of us have been fortunate* enough not to hear them.

*I use the word fortunate because, if they do indeed sound like 311 and/or Sublime, that's what I am for not having heard them.

the 311 hate, while warranted, should be saved for a later time. What is needed right now is some ripping on Pepper.

311 = good band, GREAT live
Pepper = shamelessly terrible Sublime rip-off

"wow. a band you can hate it you love or hate sublime."

SCORE IS FOR THAT COMMENT!

Sublime was great, this band is lame, 311 are terrible.

Score is for me and my opinions.

Shut up Dante... I mean Paul.

i like it, but i wish it had more of a surf vibe to it, like some of the lyrics were more about rippin up the waves and stuff

"I can argue all day, but your vastly overblown response proves that you're so far in this novelty jock-core band's pocket that I can never win you. I guess I just don't smoke enough weed to get their "jams"."

that really was great, i had to read it twice.

Paul

as for 'whats happening to punk rock and this site?' from 'ilikepunkrock' i'm not sure dude, but i can tell you that i'm probably older than you, probably have been into punk longer than you and probably have been coming to this site longer as well. in case you're wondering i'm 26, been into punk since 93 and been coming to this site since 2000. as for whats happening to punk, not sure, the same shit thats been happening to it since the 70's. its evolving, it goes mainstream then goes back underground, bands get more talented, bands still keep it real, bands sell out, band stick to the roots of the genre, bands exploit it. same ol same ol. and all the while non-homophobic people make jokes that get taken the wrong way on the internet and nobody cares.

Paul

hahahaha i can respect that scruffy. i am a pot head too, so your stereotypes are pretty spot on for the 311 fan base. just sayin the fan base for punk bands suck just as bad in a different way.

as for me being a homophobe, all i can say is oh shit oh fuck its dicks to suck so bend me down i'll pucker up! (brenden kelly)

Paul

this band and 311 are both terrible.

Anything this Paul guy said went out the window when he typed that joke, seriously, what is happening to punk rock and this site.

Yeah, I don't dislike Limp Bizkit or 311 for whether they're positive or negative. And your insult DOES prove that you see homosexuality as something with a very negative stigma, or you wouldn't use it to insult someone you disagree with. What you said is a world different than using the word "gay" as a synonym for "stupid". You used actual homosexuality as an insult. Way to go.
I can argue all day, but your vastly overblown response proves that you're so far in this novelty jock-core band's pocket that I can never win you. I guess I just don't smoke enough weed to get their "jams".

and even if I was homophobic, how would that make my opinion null and void? isn't saying something like that just as close mindes as being homophobic?

Paul

oh lord, I should have known the 'if you say gay you're a homophobic meathead frat jock' punk rock unity ethic bullshit rhetoric would rear its predictable head after my last couple posts. I was making an ironic joke and if you don't get that you're a dope.

Paul

Paul obviously considers homosexuality to be some sort of negative stigma which makes his opinion null and void and he probably fits right in with all those 311 frat-stoner douches.

oh, and there's lots of very hot girls at 311 shows. scruffy doesn't care about that, but don't worry, theres plenty of hot frat guys there for you cupcake.

Paul

Scruffy, dont' get so up in arms that I like 311, its not the end of the world. and yes, 6 years ago they had Shaq in one of their videos. that was lame, but the band are huge Lakers fans (at the time Shaq was still a Laker) and he agreed to be in their video. I don't see the big deal?

and the band is lightyears better than limp bizkit. i shouldnt even have to point that out, anyone with a half a brain and that has heard more than 'down' knows that. the vibe is completely different, 311 are all about being positive and unity, no violent 'tough guy' lyrics can be found in any of their songs other than a few on their first couple albums, all of which came out over 10 years ago. name me one 'tough guy' 311 song that sounds like limp bizkit that has come out in the past 10 years and i'll consider your opinion as more than that of a little highschool boy spouting off on the internet.

and yea a lot of tools listen to 311, frat rock or whatever, a lot of tools listen to every form of music, the same goes for most punk bands

when was the last time you went to a punk show and didn't see a shitload of tools but instead of frat shirts they're wearing safety pins, porkpie hats, and patches all over a salvation army hoodie?

still tools, still just as gay as a frat guy, just as elitist and sXe hardcore kids have always been worlds more meatheaded than frat guys. i'll take a 311 crowd over a 'punk rock' crowd anyday.

311 have been around for 14 years, have 8 albums, and even though they haven't had a big hit in years they still bring in about 7,000 people to a show. why? because they're fucking amazing live and iv'e seen hundreds of different bands live.

and yea, kona town is peppers best album.

Paul

Is it just me, or is that album artwork terrible? One arm looks shorter than the other, although that might just be the lack of depth.

Score is for limp bizkit

Your sentence does not make any sense whatsoever.

wow. a band you can hate it you love or hate sublime.

I can kinda sorta maybe understand the unfounded misplaced love that a lot of you have for Sublime. But 311? Are you all seriously THAT retarded? You do realize they're about 1 degree better than Limp Bizkit?

Here's the thing: if i hear that Santeria song one more time I will end my life.

ripping off sublime is like ripping off dance moves from a retarded kid who is also deaf.

Damn, you are an asshole, aren't you?

i agree that kona town is far superior to the rest of their albums.

kona town is an awesome album

all the rest suck

score is for 311 and this band combined; lame quasi-stoner, tough guy bands.

i guess if i had to listen to frat rock this is better than nickelback.

-sweetsugarpezz

311's still one of the best bands around and puts on a hell of a live show

and if they worst they can do is have shaq in a video, then that's pretty great...shaq is the man, who wouldn't want to have him in their video?

Yes, this band is nowhere near as good as a band that had Shaq in their video.

You don't know that I'm referring to 311. I could be talking about Aaron Carter.

please, please, please dont' compare this band to 311. Yes, nick hexum produced about half the album at 311's Hive studios and yes they've toured with 311, but thats where it stops. If 311 sounded like this, I wouldn't consider myself much of a 311 fan. 311 has worlds more talent and different styles they can pull off effectively (rap rock/funk/rock/reggae) whereas these guys just sound like a sublime cover band. they have their moments, "bring me along" and as the reviewer pointed out "nice time" are both outstanding tracks, as good if not better than sublime, but thats about it. they're ok, I'd rather here a sublime knock off than a hawthorne senses saiosin chemical used under oath from first to last romance knock off any day and they're solid live if not a bit over the top with the meat headedness (these dudes look like they stepped right off the set of mtv maui fever) but they're from hawaii and last I checked you're alowed to have an ego if you're from hawaii in a national touring band. Lord knows I would. most people on here would hate this though, it does not sound anything like avail, dead to me, dillenger 4, the lawrence arms, none more black, lifetime, fugazi or jawbreaker.

Paul

total crap. And i must say...sublime is one of the most overated bands EVER. If the dude didn't die from drugs he would have never been some kind of icon. Every sublime cd has a few "okay" songs and then the rest are just plain messy crap. The fact that this band tries so hard to emulate them is unbelievably sad. Yuck

but thats just my opinion

sublime ripoff band #54699874

ripping off sublime is like ripping off dance moves from a retarded kid who is also deaf.

This would be sweet if I liked to pop my collar and date rape chicks in the frat house.

This shit is beyond lame.