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Against Me!

Against Me!: New WaveNew Wave (2007)
Warner Music Group

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An album as anticipated as this one is daunting to approach. It's tempting to write some sort of treatise on Against Me!'s place in the punk scene (if there is one), the nature of independent versus major labels, the "punk ghetto," and a whole heft of other topics. The one thing that all of these to.
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An album as anticipated as this one is daunting to approach. It's tempting to write some sort of treatise on Against Me!'s place in the punk scene (if there is one), the nature of independent versus major labels, the "punk ghetto," and a whole heft of other topics. The one thing that all of these topics -- which are sure to be covered here, there and elsewhere -- miss the real point, which is the music.

The album starts out with the title track, "New Wave." While the name implies something innovative, the song delivers little of anything new or interesting from the band. The chorus is bland, the drumming repetitive and obnoxious and the general feel exhausted. The subject matter, sadly, is more of the same self-obsession that we saw so prevalent on Searching for a Former Clarity. "Up the Cuts" follows with its similar subject matter -- what appears to be an indictment of the music industry from all sides. A later track, "Piss and Vinegar" approaches the same sort of commentary and quite frankly it all just falls flat. I'm personally just not interested in hearing a grown man complain about the politics of the music industry while he is digging himself deeper and deeper into them with each interview, music video and ill-placed duet he places on an album.

The lead single, "White People for Peace," feels moderately out of place on the album, along with the previously live-only release "Americans Abroad." Both songs feature a more "traditional" Against Me! approach, although both come across hollow in the end. "White People" is particularly frustrating given that the band rose to popularity singing "protest songs in response to military aggression" themselves. There's an air of smug "insight" that runs through the album, serving more to frustrate and insult the listener than educate them in any way.

There are standout tracks on the album. Well, standout in a way that demands attention, negative as it may be. "Stop" features quite possibly the most obnoxious combination of repeated phrases and drumbeat since the Bee Gees' debuted "Stayin' Alive." This combined with the worn out subject matter of the music industry and all the woes found within, I wonder if the band really did stop and take some time to think about what the hell they were doing here. "Animal" and "Ocean" close the album in a bizarre fashion. The former sounds like an excerpt from an early 90s Stone Temple Pilots cover band. It's so out of place and left field that it falls flat on its face. "Ocean" is a grower. First it grows on you with its long, flowing narrative, then it falls off you as you realize Against Me! have produced the "punk rock" version of R. Kelly's "Trapped in the Closet," an 18-part tribute to Mr. Kelly's amazing ability to weave a 45-minute-long story without actually engaging the listener at any point. Quite frankly, the pretension combined with the lack of anything interesting going on musically is enough to kill my interest.

The much-anticipated duet with Tegan of Tegan and Sara is frustrating. The voices are barely able to play off each other as they weave a sophomoric story of love and distance. Again, it's simply not engaging to the listener. It sounds as if they took a similar route to Less Than Jake's last album and brought in some industry "hit writers" for this song. I think there was real potential here, as Tegan's voice is beautiful and could have provided a nice contrast to Tom's wailing; however, missed potential seems to be the name of the game here.

Though all is not lost, one supposes. The song "Thrash Unreal" features a great opening with its solid drumbeat and story of a worn-out drug addict looking for redemption. You can't help but feel as Tom cries "They don't know nothing about redemption, they don't nothing about recovery," that he's speaking about himself in some manner. This song is the shining star, although by the end of the song the lyrics have petered out, giving us the limp attack of "she can still hear the 'Rebel Yell' just as loud as it was in 1983" and it threatens to fall apart. Thankfully, the chorus is strong enough to carry you out feeling good when repeated ad naseum for a good 30 seconds.

Once the scene politics are gone, the 12" remixes forgotten and we all get over ourselves, the only thing that matters is the music. Sadly, it seems like Against Me! forgot that this time around, opting instead for rehashed and clichéd melodies and subject matters. They found themselves poised to deliver an album that proved that the "punk ghetto" was holding them back, that they could write an album without relying on some sort of veiled meta-critique of their own actions or that they still had the lyrical and musical magic that captured so many kids in so many basements, clubs and bars as they truly changed the landscape of the punk scene a scant four years ago. Sadly, they delivered a watered-down album full of rehashed themes, misplaced grabs at commercial play and a truckload of questionable choices in stylistic tangents.

 

 
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bastysmith (May 14, 2013)

Such a great pop album.

palpitations101 (April 4, 2011)

Reviewer: "and ill-PLACED duet he PLACES on an album. The lead single, "White People for Peace," feels moderately out of PLACE on the album."

PLACE!!! PLACE!! PLAAAAACCEEEEE!!!!!

AlChron77 (January 6, 2010)

Could be worse, they could be Anti-Flag

mikeladwig (December 1, 2009)

Coulda been better, coulda been a LOT worse. Up The Cuts and Americans Abroad are ace and the Ocean is gorgeous.

emcde123 (May 28, 2009)

It is a great record, so could someone please tell me why they hate it.

kylewagoner (March 6, 2009)

Sadly, I agree with you on saying most of the things or I can at least see where you're coming from when making each point. I do like some of the songs, but I think the album as whole fails and lacks something vital. Fuckin' Butch Vig.

SouthernLovin (February 4, 2009)

It may not be their best work, but god damnit if it doesn't stick.

SuperRad (December 26, 2008)

Great review. Again, terrible album.

PtvnSux94 (December 3, 2008)

Horrible review for a great record

rakmike (June 23, 2008)

This reviewer didn't get it and clearly didn't try to.

Amsteel (May 14, 2008)

Like many people have said, to me it's not the fact that they sold out that makes me dislike the album. I could care less and I know most of us would gladly accept more money for doing what they've been doing all along.

...But wait a minute, they're not doing what they've been doing all along. The music itself changed, the instrumentation and lyrics are simply boring. Look back at the lyrics for their first couple albums and compare them to Stop or Thrash Unreal and you will see a horrible change.

I realize they have changed majorly a couple times before, but they were usually changes for the better. In this case, they changed for the worse. And 10 songs is a major disappointment, they could have thrown in a couple acoustic songs. However, I have noticed they're trying to redeem themselves by doing acoustic versions of these songs.

But hey, if it were any other band, this album would be great. It's just disappointing to see these guys put out an album such as this after being great in the past.

psupunx (April 28, 2008)

This reviewer doesn't know very much about music does he.

royalblewitup (April 22, 2008)

they used to be the most punk motherfuckers around
now they are another bland piece of crap rock band.

i'm not saying anything new
but neither are they

Alien (April 21, 2008)

This is a good review.

and sadly not a good album.

saviourman (April 2, 2008)

the album is awful, the review is good, the band members suck

GlassPipeMurder (March 24, 2008)

Has no one noticed that "Thrash Unreal" sounds exactly like "Tom Courtenay" by Yo La Tengo?

ChelloveckSkunk (March 18, 2008)

Good album..... but it's just not the Against Me! mentality....

way to let me down with this one tom.

The_Wayfarer (January 24, 2008)

All I have to say is that I'm pretty tired of the punk community downing on others for success. I've been in to these guys for a while now. About six or seven years. Whenever Crime! came out. I think it was 2001. Anyway, that's beside the point. I've been delighted to watch Against Me! grow. I think their music now is just as intuitive and has just as much to say as before. People have trouble accepting that Against Me! up to Reinventing Axl Rose is not the same Against Me! we see today. And I don't mean that in terms of their ideals and beliefs. I mean that in terms of anarchists per capita. Gabel intended to take the current Against Me! to a level not known by the original lineup. Why do you think the lineup changed in the first place? In any case, anyone who says that they have become everything they hate hasn't done their research. Yeah, they play huge venues, but big deal. People talk about self-obsession being a big thing with the band these days and then talk about how "Reinventing Axl Rose" is about Against Me!. Isn't that self-obsession? Besides, they've even said that the song is not necessarily about themselves. Just about where they came from. Gabel still helps me get in to shows for free. Plus, they've been playing benefit shows for very credible organizations and have not accepted any sponsors. And don't even talk about seeing their shit on TV. Who gives a shit? Everyone knows the label has control over that. Against Me! is doing exactly what they wanna do, regardless of what the fans or anyone else thinks. Last I checked, that's the opposite of selling out.

In closing, this album has some good things to say about the music industry, the state of mainstream music, politics, and just being a person. It's strange that you should complain that he's writing about the politics of the music industry. You can take a grown man complaining about politics... just not the politics of the music industry? Ah, OK. Makes plenty of sense. "The Ocean" and "Animal" explores some experimental boundaries that I hope are expanded upon later.

This album rules. Against Me! rules. Still does, still will.

Now shut up. You don't like it? Start a band. Show them what's up.

Fallen_leaves (December 18, 2007)

iv been an against me fan for many years but i think this album is very bland. ya i was pissed when against me joined a major label, but the reason was because i knew they would be ruined, just like AFI. Many bands on i feel are pressured to make something everyone will like and end up making music that isnt truly from the soul. which i think is what music is about. so fuck all you kids who give old against me fans shit because if you guys were fans of against me when we were you would feel the same way.

opsdrummer (December 17, 2007)

amazing from start to finish. i apologize for any negative comment i've said before about against me.....i used to think tom's voice sounded like someone gargling a piece of shit, but this band has grown to be one of my favorites.

splendidtune (December 17, 2007)

Fuck the haters.

CobraSkullsFan (December 13, 2007)

i feel that their next album and its content will really prove their direction and hearts. hopefully it's better and longer. This album didn't suck casue its better than most shit, but certainly could have been better. YOu telling me they couldn't have thrown 1 or 2 acoustics near the end and make it a 12 track?

nikko (December 9, 2007)

So this is definitly better then Searching for a former clarity.

Smithy (November 30, 2007)

That last comment was just way too funny/cliche. This album is fantastic.

VandelayIndustries (November 26, 2007)

Dear Tom Gabel,
Thanks you for ruining one of my favorite bands which i have had singing in my head for over 7 years now. I dont care that you signed a big contract, or headline at large venues; your content is what sucks. "Beautiful to live in poverty just to spite what they are selling" you are selling it now man, you are selling anarchy for a fucking profit. Capitalism and anarchy have made quite a nice family for against me.

X-Against me fan

civeta_dei (November 22, 2007)

what are you haters talking about this this the best album that theyve ever made

allon (November 1, 2007)

Only ten tracks doesn't give you much margin for error. Half this album is catchy and pleasing to listen to, the other half is mediocre at best. The lyrics are pretty ordinary, and any remnants of the acoustic/folk AM! have been left behind.

eran_zombis (October 25, 2007)

Score is for using cell phone service as a metaphor for a relationship on the duet song.

i-hate-winnipeg (October 14, 2007)

i like it a lot. Thrash Unreal gives me goosebumps everytime i hear it. every song is lyrically amazing whether the tune is great or not, it's poetry in a way... you have to give that some credit. The Ocean is fucking brilliant. i'm gone.

AlexBLP (September 23, 2007)

What a spot-on review. There seems to be a lot of people commenting to the effect that people should 'just talk about the record, not the band and their actions' etc.. but the whole point and beauty of punk rock is that its not just muzak for the drive to work. It matters absolutely what the band does, says and stands for in relation to their record. The two are not disassociated from each other. If people wanted mindless, meaningless pap sung by retards, the shelves of Virgin are stacked with it. This difference is doubly important when the band used to be so outspoken and representative of DIY punk rock values as AM! were.

This record on the other hand is so trite and tailored for radio play and mainstream appeal you could've written a parody send-up any better. Tom Gabel's lyrics are vain, self-obsessed and its cringeingly obvious that he is doing his damnedest to become the next Bruce Springsteen. (Thrash Unreal is like a cover!) Like the review said, regardless of anything else, this is just a terrible record.

And as disappointed as I am by their absolute and irrefutable fall from grace, I'm glad that their major label debut stunk this much, because it serves them right.

nikko (September 12, 2007)

I didn't like this album at all at first. It has grown on me a lot more, but it still has some weak tracks. New Wave is pretty good, but pretty boring after a while. The chorus just isn't good enough to be played over and over. Up the Cuts is probably my favorite song on the entire album. I believe it has a traditional Against Me! sound, but less screaming. The chorus really makes the song. Thrash unreal is a great song but gets to be a bit much after the second time they play the chorus. White People for peace is a decent traditional song. Stop is a song you either like or hate very much. Borne on the fm waves is okay i guess. It never really goes anywhere, but it's pretty catchy. Piss and vinegar has a decent intro then pretty much sucks. Americans Abroad is pretty cool, but they couldv'e done more to it i think. Animal is just kind of weird for me. I dont really like it at all. The ocean is a pretty good song and definitly a grower. But besides all of the that I was really glad to find Toms voice to have gotten a lot better and not as raspy sounding oppose to searching for a former clarity.

XkingbuzzoX (September 9, 2007)

Honestly, the first time I listened to this I wasn't that impressed. After seeing them live again and hearing the songs from this in that setting I like them a lot more. It took me a few listens to get into the album and I still think there's some weak tracks but overall its pretty solid and not deserving of a lot of the shit its been getting.

indie_is_better_than_punk (August 25, 2007)

"against me! seems to have sadly become the biggest joke in punk. i s'pose we'll never know why they decided to "go for it", but maybe this is an example of what not to do. oh yeah, and anti-flag, a far inferior band had a much more impressive major label debut. somethin's wrong with that."

i know it was a long time ago but this post is perfect.

mrdogg45 (August 16, 2007)

I've got to disagree with the review.

Against Me!, for better or for worse, have evolved from a folk-punk collective into a rock band. Not a punk band, but a rock band with a punk mentality, if that makes any sense.

That being said, I think this CD is great, and a good step forward from "Searching..." Repeat listens really help, as this record grew on me from day one. I can only think of two weak tracks on the record. Sure, there are only 10 tracks, but the other 8 are top notch, especiall Thrash Unreal and New Wave, which I think are as good as anything Against Me! has done.

On this record, I hear a band trying to push themselves forward, musically and in their mindset as to what "punk" is. After years of screaming and trying to make it matter, Against Me! made something that sticks in a more universal way, even if it doesnt have the same desperate attraction it once had. But imagine being the kid who gets turned on to Against Me! after listening to this album. Think how blown away they'll be when they get "Reinventing Axl Rose."

Great record. Great Band

LET-DOWN (August 2, 2007)

best review i have read and i felt the same way about new wave. i have never been looking as foward to an album coming out before and i felt very let down by it. but i must admit the more i listing to it the more i like it.

Anonymous (July 23, 2007)

nothing better than scott ripping on justing in the firsts few posts when justin wrote in my opinion, a good review in which he stated his points clearly. you dont have to agree with them. grow up scott and lose some weight.

Anonymous (July 23, 2007)

Pitchfork gave this record a better score than Punknews!!!!!!!!!

shand85 (July 22, 2007)

Im suprised that nobody has commented that Stop sounds (stylistically) very similar to Unprotected Sex and White People sounds quite a bit like From Her Lips. Both Stop and Unprotected sex remind me of Franz Ferdinand, in a bad way. Might just be me, but this pissed me off just as much as the lack of decent lyrics or accoustic guitars. And Animal may even be the worst song i've ever heard. Lazy. Lets hope they can make another great record a few years from now

marko630 (July 17, 2007)

disappointment. huge disappointment. so glad I saw this band twice before this thing came out so i didnt have to hear any of these songs.
so as far as sire goes:
distillers first 2 albums- good. last album w/ sire- awful
AM! first 5 albums- awsome. last album w/ sire- AWFUL
IMO, sire ruins bands, flat out

baseball (July 17, 2007)

i've come to the conclusion that this album would be a pretty solid 7 if they had put the two b-sides on this

"Full Sesh" in place of "Stop" after "White People"
"You Must Be Willing" in place of "Animal" before "Ocean"

really like those two songs and that would have flowed just as well with the rest of the album IMO

iknownothing (July 16, 2007)

While I certainly feel this is AM!'s weakest release I think that most of the bad reviews are based more on how people feel about the band and not the album itself. Like most of you I was disappointed with this release the first time I heard it. But then again I was disappointed with both Searching (always makes me think of JEW when people refer to it as Clarity) and Cowboy upon first listen.

I've been listening to this for a week now and it has grown on me considerably. While there are still some unlistenable tracks on here, the good ones are more than enough to make up for it. Tom certainly has a knack for writing catchy pop melodies, despite the fact that these are his worst lyrics to date.

When judged against AM!'s other albums I'd give this one a 5/10 and feel that I was being generous in doing that. But when judged as a stand alone album, minus my views on the band, I'd have to give it an 8. It's still better than most of the crap being released today, not great, but pretty good. I'd make the obvious title reference here if I wasn't sure it had already been done many times before.

On a side note: I can't believe no one pulled Tom aside at some point to tell him dolphins are mammals and therefore don't breathe under water. I cringe everytime I hear that line.

Anonymous (July 16, 2007)

I don't know what all the "cool kids" are complaining about . . . this album is pretty solid. There is a handful of really good tracks: "New Wave", "Up The Cuts", "Thrash Unreal", "White People For Peace", "Piss & Vinegar".

New Wave is definitely stronger than Former Clarity. Granted, "Animal" and "Ocean" is a horrible way to end this album.

Anonymous (July 15, 2007)

I enjoyed the album. I would've been sweet if they had mixed the Disco Before the Breakdown EP with Crimes and wrote songs based on that but this is good stuff too. They're not one of my favourite bands since the change in sound but I still like it.

Anonymous (July 15, 2007)

I've listened to New Wave a few times now and think it's great. This is the first time AM really sounds like a full band hitting on every note together. This album will be looked back on as one of their best right with RAR.

Anonymous (July 15, 2007)

justin = dipshit

Anonymous (July 14, 2007)

Frankly I'm glad that Against Me continues to grow up. Sure, I like them more when they were in their Reinventing/Eternal Cowboy stage but I cant stand it when band sound the exact same on every album. The world only needs one AC/DC. Thank god Against Me isnt following in their footsteps and rewriting Walking is Still Honest over and over again.

politicalparty (July 14, 2007)

being one of those kids that have followed these guys for years from the 1st time i saw them play on the flatbed of a truck, i wanted to throw in a few words. Going in, I knew it was gonna be produced, i knew the old Against Me! was gone and I'd have to rely on Searching For A Former Clarity as the last official album before it all went public.

I think it's a good album, but not one I'm going to be blaring on repeat like I would've before. The exclusivity is gone, I mean let's be honest. The reason this band is held in such high regards is because we knew we were a part of something special. We birthed it at DIY shows and were part of the reason that the major labels dropped in and started buying Warren drinks.

It sounds like with having songs on the album called Animal and Oceans, they're trying to be Pearl Jam. They're trying to sell millions of records and thats the feeling I get from a lot of the songs on the record. What will people want to blare on their ipod?

I enjoy most of the songs, though the production at the end of Oceans makes my skin crawl. Stop is good, it feels like a Clash song and is probably the big song on the album. With the media attention theyre getting and the big corporate machine rolling behind them, this is going to be a lot of peoples first introduction to the band and I think they did good on it. It sounds like an Against Me! album but its focus lays more on reaching that kid in the middle of nowhere than satisfying the scene.

maverick (July 13, 2007)

"Scott clearly wouldn't care about them watering down and selling out - after all, he's done the same thing. Zing!"

That explains why I pee a lot more frequently than I used to. Staying hydrated is good for the body!

-Scott

Anonymous (July 13, 2007)

score is for when tom gabel drank my parents beer and threw my puppies in the microwave on high while shouting "gremlins!!!!"

Anonymous (July 13, 2007)

"not a fan of the production, where's the bass?

loved "Thrash Unreal" until the entirely unnecessary 'catchy chorus' parts kicked in

"Stop" is the first Against Me! track i've ever had to actually skip, untolerable...."Animal" is extreme filler

overall, this seems to lack serious substance and originality compared to every other Against Me! release, all of which i've loved

there was potential in a lot of these songs but they went nowhere and seemed to take the 'accessible chorus' route a few too many times

flat disappointed, although i'm glad i still bought it for the Thrash Unreal 7""

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I agree 100%. Stop and Animal are horrible. The first 4 songs are good, but then the album goes downhill after that. Even Piss and Vinegar and Americans Abroad aren't enough to save the 2nd half of this album.

Score is for the 6/10 songs that are actually half-decent. Overall, a disappointment. Thrash Unreal is the highlight.

Anonymous (July 13, 2007)

Best review I've ever fucking read on this site. Well worded, well written, well done. I think the album is barely better then Justin gave it credit for, but Animal and Ocean are shit tracks.

Dongrom

Anonymous (July 13, 2007)

the last 2 sentences of that review would have earned an A in any journalism class. it gave me a headache, but i'm old and cranky. that being said, why is everyone here afraid to continue to embrace a band that they all claimed to "love" about a year ago. once in a while bands do make records that step a bit from their "sound" in an attempt to reach further audiences and yes, to sell a bunch of records. remember, AM now have to answer to the head of a label if this shit crashes and burns. this record isn't that bad. in fact, it's rather good. it's certainly still AM in every way. if you're looking for them to reinvent the reinvented axl rose, it ain't gonna happen. there's a few great tracks on the record, and a few no so hot ones too. but to throw against me into the heap of shitty commercial bands is unfair though. they've still got more heart, more to say and more going for them than 99% of the dog shit that's reviewed, reported on and celebrated by the kids who read/work/and play at the org. but what the fuck do i know. when i was kid, my mother played culture club records.

the karma chameleon
-TOBB

baseball (July 13, 2007)

not a fan of the production, where's the bass?

loved "Thrash Unreal" until the entirely unnecessary 'catchy chorus' parts kicked in

"Stop" is the first Against Me! track i've ever had to actually skip, untolerable...."Animal" is extreme filler

overall, this seems to lack serious substance and originality compared to every other Against Me! release, all of which i've loved

there was potential in a lot of these songs but they went nowhere and seemed to take the 'accessible chorus' route a few too many times

flat disappointed, although i'm glad i still bought it for the Thrash Unreal 7"

Anonymous (July 13, 2007)

Scott clearly wouldn't care about them watering down and selling out - after all, he's done the same thing. Zing!

str8up6ft7 (July 13, 2007)

That review is so right on the money it was if I wrote it. That is exactly how my buddy and I feel. Huge AM! fan from way back and New Wave is so depressing!!! They need to drop Butch Vig and stop the double and triple layering of Tom's Voice. They are not a studio magic, pop-punk, Mtv band, they are best at making music with raw energy and passion. This album left me feeling sad, like a great band died, and I agree what in the F#@k is up with "STOP"? Are you freaking kiddind me? I thought it was a joke at first. That just might be one of the worst songs i have ever heard, Unlistenable!!! Americans Abroad, The Ocean and Up the Cuts were great live before the album came out. Thats what I was expecting, not the boring, lazy, heartless, souless tracks that was recorded. Well i could go on and on and disect each horrible track but I wont. Anyway thanks for writting an article that speaks for all the true fans of AM! and great music. Mike

thekeyboardplayersucks (July 13, 2007)

When someone says a band sells out (without being in a commercial for axe body spray, that is a valid reason), I automatically lose all respect for their opinion. I said that when I was in 7th grade. I will listen to music, if it is good, regardless of whether the band has "sold out" or not. Maybe that makes me less "punk", but I think the real reason for bands like Against Me! and Anti-Flag sign to major labels is to get their message out to a new group of people instead of just the same old fans who are so punk they just find reasons to bitch at yellowcard.

thoughtriotAF578 (July 12, 2007)

To the person who said this
"If I read one more FUCKING off topic post, I'm going to not visit this site for a while. Big deal. But who pays for the ads? The labels, if labels think people are coming to this site then guess what? FUCK.

Follow absolutepunk.net and make it so you at least have to have a name to write something. THis site has been playing catch-up to AP since day 1 and like a retarded little brother is still shitting in their pants and playing with it while AP never has this "yellowcard" spam."

Your post seems very off topic.

thoughtriotAF578 (July 12, 2007)

the way you talked about this album, you probably gave it 2 stars too many. its not the greatest they've put out, they probably should have only realeased an EP, but it isnt nearly as bad as you make it out to be. It has some really good songs, and some not so good ones. I give it a 3.

cycle (July 12, 2007)

STOP! take some time to

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

For those of you who bought this at a store, here is my suggestion, go back (MARCH back) and tell your parents they raised a friggin idiot

jt (July 12, 2007)

I dont like the mature sound of New Wave as much as previous against me albums. Tom is still the fucking shit though!

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

Yellowcard are religious? Cool, another reason to hate them more.

THe mainstream press is not going to fall for AM, just like Anti-Flag, they will name drop the clash and sex pistols and comment on a lyric or two and then forget them. By that time the old fans of AM will have found another band that speaks to them more honestly and AM will break up and start off-shoot bands that will never have the following. Nice try AM, you lose.

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

I'm on Yellowcards Street Team and they REALLY frown upon tagging things in non-related threads, they ask us to do stuff on myspace, at church, at the mall with friends, not on boards. And if we cuss and they catch us, then we are off the team for good, they are pretty religious.

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

What the fuck is with the Yellowcard street team or some such bullshit out with full force in this review?

Yellowcard sucks, as does this Against Me album.

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

What is the deal about comments and being anonymous? Is it too much of a hassle to require everyone to at least make up a name? People could still read comments they just couldn't post them. Yellowcard okay and I don't think that I'll ever forget the have a TRL ready new CD called Paper Walls or whatever that fucktard said, but I kinda was getting into the back and forth but it's too confusing with all the random shit (I guess this isn't helping either, but maybe if it spawns some talk about comments and names).

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

poop

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

NEWSFLASH....You can still be a poser, even if you admit it. I think that if you "march back" to a store with a opened CD and demand another one, the only thing you'll get in return is laughter and lots of it. Does Yellowcard have some sort of contest to spam sites or something? Even if their next record is like "lightening striking twice" (god good that is trite) I doubt people here care, they already know if they like them or not. Go troll on AP or Myspace or something. Faggot.

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

I like it.

Attention-being on a major label is just that. If you want underground go down to the local college pub and have fun. Enjoy the fact that you and three of your friends are the only people to know that a band even exists. Invite them over for karaoke but for fucks sake get the fuck over your favorite band from years past going out into the world and making a big album. Does it make you feel good to be so super in. The elitism is just the same as some fucking jocks on the high school football team.

I like every song but thrash unreal, which has a Bah Bah Bah chorus. Eat my ass punknews.org

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

hahahahaha.
March back to the store. hahahahhaaha. Serious LOL

AndImTellingEveryone (July 12, 2007)

just because it got all your undergarments in a bunch

swinginutter (July 12, 2007)

The post below was meant to be a quote...I fucked up...why is there no delete/edit option on this site....Arrrgh!

Anyways, I was quoting it, because it was the funniest thing i think Ive read all year!

swinginutter (July 12, 2007)

For those of you who bought this at a store, here is my suggestion, go back (MARCH back) and tell the store clerk that you want to return it and the only thing you'll take in return is the new Yellowcard CD "Paper Walls" and if they give you any shit, then fucking go bat-shit crazy. It will give Yellowcard some much needed press time in the National News and it will let that store now that Yellowcard fans are here to stay. New Yellowcard "Paper Walls" comes out soon and it's better than New Wave, Yellowcard admit they are a band for a career, they can't be posers if they admit it.

Anchors (July 12, 2007)

Oh man, that last comment.

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

If I read one more FUCKING off topic post, I'm going to not visit this site for a while. Big deal. But who pays for the ads? The labels, if labels think people are coming to this site then guess what? FUCK.

Follow absolutepunk.net and make it so you at least have to have a name to write something. THis site has been playing catch-up to AP since day 1 and like a retarded little brother is still shitting in their pants and playing with it while AP never has this "yellowcard" spam.

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

For those of you who bought this at a store, here is my suggestion, go back (MARCH back) and tell the store clerk that you want to return it and the only thing you'll take in return is the new Yellowcard CD "Paper Walls" and if they give you any shit, then fucking go bat-shit crazy. It will give Yellowcard some much needed press time in the National News and it will let that store now that Yellowcard fans are here to stay. New Yellowcard "Paper Walls" comes out soon and it's better than New Wave, Yellowcard admit they are a band for a career, they can't be posers if they admit it.

damnitsderek (July 12, 2007)

Remember when Colin reviewed the My Chemical Romance album a while back?

Oh, the nostalgia!

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

i'm 22, i live with my girlfriend, i go to university. hahahaha. hahahaahahaha. holy shit i almost wet myself. and yellowcard? people are debating the worth of yellowcard? fucking violins, brits with kids at the university. i can't take it anymore. i think i'm moving on to where ever the fuck old folks go to read about punk/independant music.

...hahah. i'm literally crying over here. doubled over.
-TOBB

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

Enough with the Yellowcard shit, who cares? There WANT to be rock stars, AM! want to be more like Bruce Springsteen, career musicians with a message. Can you not tell the difference between Yellowcard and AM! ?

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

I don't know much about this band you are talking about, but if you want to talk about a band on a major label that stands for something, look no farther than Yellowcard. Their last one didn't get much label support, their guitarist (Ben) left, it was a rough time in the Yellowcard camp. Fans like me and other people on music boards like this stood by the band and eagerly wait for the new CD to rock us back to better times when Yellowcard was on TRL and headling Warped. Lightening can strike twice and I'm hoping for good things for Yellowcard's newest release!

swinginutter (July 12, 2007)

the keyboardplayer sucks said:

"The sad thing is a lot of people are going to say it sucks because they are now on a major label and the cool thing is to rebel against that"

Hmmm, well thats great an' all....But one reason I started liking punk music was because it didn't rely on the corporate majors, it relied on the people.
If this didn't matter to me, I would have continued to lap up the crap that most majors put out and would not have heard against me! or other such bands in the first place.

So....In reference to your statement...

The reason I started liking independent music, (obviously, first and foremost was because it was good) but it was, as I said independent. It was something that in a fucked up corporate world that proved you didn't need to spend $3million on a video. You actually 'worked' to get your music heard and it worked! Don't get me wrong...some of my favourite bands are/were on majors...

Weezer, Alkaline Trio, Flaming Lips, Jawbreaker, Butthole Surfers,The replacements, Samiam......

So no, I don't - not - like agaisnt me! because they are on a major - it makes no difference. I actually don't like them because they were so anti-major....It makes them liars. It makes everything they stood for bullshit. It makes music that I used to love a joke....because they are a joke.

New wave is a crap album, that resembles nothing of the old against me!....Which, is....first and foremost why I have no time for them anymore. They aren't what I thought they were.

I'm 22 dude, I have a kid. I live with my girlfriend. I am at University. I have a job. I have many hobbies. I have never ranted about a band 'selling-out' before. But against me well......

They kina suck.....Its pretty much a fact.

whatchokesbegin (July 12, 2007)

What the fuck? This album was supposed to be awesome...

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

Yellowcard's singer felt the same way after their 2nd CD (which is great) didn't take off. It still sold well, but it was a hard time for the band. Lucky for fans like you and me, the rough spot for the band is going to lead to some really good songs on thier new CD. I can't wait to get it and listen to it! I'm ready to rock!

thekeyboardplayersucks (July 12, 2007)

I have been a fan of AM! for some time and probably will like anything they do. The sad thing is a lot of people are going to say it sucks because they are now on a major label and the cool thing is to rebel against that. I will still stay loyal to a band I listened to all through high school not because I feel obligated, but because I still like what they are doing.

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

Scott has a vagina... im quite sure.

SuperRad (July 12, 2007)

It's not a good album.

damnitsderek (July 12, 2007)

Seriously guys, out of your houses. Go. Play soccer, go for a run, build a birdhouse, do something.

You know, the one time I built a birdhouse, it was an indoor activity.

swinginutter (July 12, 2007)

"Punknews people make me laugh. This, my friend, is how it feels too care too much about some so trivial. It's just music. Get over it."

No...totally man, I don't take it all that seriously, but in 4 years I have been to 3 against me! gigs, bought a t-shirt, hoodie and bought 7 cds by them...It kina pisses me off that that was £150 ($300) wasted on a band that doesn't deserve it.

I don't think, "awww remember that against me! gig when they were punk and made good music, those were some fun times"

i think

"remember that money i wasted on a band that was full of shit and made me actually think that they believed in what they were doing...boy! am i stupid"

I realised i didn't address the musical quality of "new wave" in my review. That is because after two listens i was already sick of the overproduced sound and over-repeated choruses and lack of any substance whatsoever....(I could go on....)
I didn't buy it...I downloaded it.
I am glad I did.
It sucks.

Whats funny is that 4 years ago I got a bunch of mates to come to their gig in Glasgow and they loved it and have loved against me! since....and if any of them even considers buying this album i will give them my burned copy before they even consider it...just to let them hear how shit it is.

Overproduced, Overhyped, Over-exaggerated, Overindulgent, Overrated crap.

Anyone want my old Against Me! cds? Cos I am embarresed to own them.

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

Yellowcard.

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

"To be honest Against me (again no exclamation mark....cos they are full of shit) can get to fuck, not because they signed to a major, but they basically fucked over a lot of people to get where they are today. So in two years time when they are moaning that sire dropped them cos theyre shit, I will have no sympathy. Its such a shame that a band that seemed to stand for so much became exactly what they used to write songs in disgust of.

To quote they're crime ep back cover....

"We make music because we're the best of friends, because we have something to say, and it helps to keep from drowning in the dirty, dirty cesspools of capitalism"

I will now translate

"We make music cos we want to have sex with girls, We figure this anti-capitalism shtick sells so we will keep plugging until some guy in a suit notices, because really, we make dishonest music, and we will step on as many people as possible to get where we want to be...Our manager really does have our best interests at heart, we love him, and he loves his 10 per cent...We are against me (!), we are full of shit...please enjoy our cd....we are so DIY."

AGAINST ME...i AM AGAINST YOU!"

Punknews people make me laugh. This, my friend, is how it feels too care too much about some so trivial. It's just music. Get over it.

baseball (July 12, 2007)

that review was almost word for word plagiarized and someone exposed it in the comments

Dante3000 (July 12, 2007)

ColdWaffles brings up a great point. You guys revoked a Good Charlotte review that was biased, but you leave this review up. This review is biased. It is a sad day when the absolutepunk.net puts up a better review.
Whatever, Tate. The Good Charlotte review was taken down because it was plagiarized from several sources, not because it was biased. Besides, it's pretty clear the AP.net review is horrid, as I stated much earlier.
-Dante

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

ColdWaffles brings up a great point. You guys revoked a Good Charlotte review that was biased, but you leave this review up. This review is biased. It is a sad day when the absolutepunk.net puts up a better review.

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

The lyrics are fucking terrible.

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

"I wasn't talking about his statement, I was talking about the lyrics to New Wave. Like the music or not, you have to admit that it's Tom's worst lyrical effort. Saying they're "thought-provoking and empowering" is laughable at best.

Poor attempt at humor failed. I should stop, take some time to think. Think about what's important to me.

I've got a serious decision.

BA DA BADADADA BA BA BADADA"

Thrash Unreal and Ocean are two of the best songs AM! has ever written, musically and lyrically. Some of the writing here isn't very good, but a majority of it is on par with their old stuff. Just because they aren't singing about anarchism and community anymore doesn't mean the lyrics can't be empowering.

swinginutter (July 12, 2007)

Against me (look, no exclamation mark...hope I don't get fined by their manager) are quite possibly one of the most (if not THE most) contradictory bunch of assholes I have ever liked.

Vida Vis - Good
Crime - Excellent
Reinventing - Alright...
Eternal Cowboy-Meh
Searching-Meh
New Wave - The biggest pile of shit ever!

To be honest Against me (again no exclamation mark....cos they are full of shit) can get to fuck, not because they signed to a major, but they basically fucked over a lot of people to get where they are today. So in two years time when they are moaning that sire dropped them cos theyre shit, I will have no sympathy. Its such a shame that a band that seemed to stand for so much became exactly what they used to write songs in disgust of.

To quote they're crime ep back cover....

"We make music because we're the best of friends, because we have something to say, and it helps to keep from drowning in the dirty, dirty cesspools of capitalism"

I will now translate

"We make music cos we want to have sex with girls, We figure this anti-capitalism shtick sells so we will keep plugging until some guy in a suit notices, because really, we make dishonest music, and we will step on as many people as possible to get where we want to be...Our manager really does have our best interests at heart, we love him, and he loves his 10 per cent...We are against me (!), we are full of shit...please enjoy our cd....we are so DIY."

AGAINST ME...i AM AGAINST YOU!

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

I think Justin hit the nail on the head with this review. The only thing I would add is that "Up The Cuts" has some of worst lyrics ever written. I'm not a hater, I just listen a lot.

bawlsofdestruction (July 12, 2007)

Get fucked, Scott. I use your "magazine" to wipe the jizz off my bathroom walls.

Dante3000 (July 12, 2007)

Before this thing goes off teh interweb forever I need to say:
SCOTT WAS RIGHT!
If anyone knows about a review being based on personal feelings:
http://www.punknews.org/review/2962
it'd be right there.
-Dante

Anchors (July 12, 2007)

Seriously guys, out of your houses. Go. Play soccer, go for a run, build a birdhouse, do something.

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

the good charlotte review was shelved because it was plagiarism. This is an original review. Blow me coldwaffles.

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

I noticed that "New Wave" was written in yellow font on the cover and that reminded me that the Florida punk band Yellowcard is putting out a new CD soon. Do you think they will wear black clothes and sing on Conan?

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

what a fuckin disappointment.

coldwaffles (July 12, 2007)

'His highest rating? For a Moneybrother record on Sabot, a label closely tied with AM! This whole biased reviewer thing just doesn't hold water, so quit being mean little bastards."

Righhhhhtttt. So, just because his highest score is for a band who share a label from ages ago, when they were a completely different band that everyone and their punk mother loved, that makes all bias baseless? Uhm.... Yeah. No.

I think if the Good Charlotte review was shelfed, this one should be too.

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

I hate to speak for all of the users here, but: man, as much as most people seem to dislike this CD, none of them want to talk about Yellowcard.

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

Can we talk more about Yellowcard's new CD and less about this bad vocal joke band?

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

2. The best stuff from this album, mainly "Thrash Unreal", Up The Kuts", and "Born On The FM Waves Of A Heart", sound more reminiscent of Searching For A Former Clarity than anything from the first two albums. If you exiled them after Searching, you really have no business passionately bashing a band you lost interest in, apparently vehementy, two years ago. It's not Reinventing, it's not Cowboy. It's New Wave. Don't hate it for what it's not. If you're gonna hate it for what it is, listen to it first.

I loved Searching For A Former Clarity I still can't really stand the album,. Of the songs you mentioned only "Up The Cuts" really sounds like anything from SFAFC and is great. "Thrash Unreal" is the only song on the album that really takes and developes their newer dancier sound they developed, which is promising. "Borne On The FM Waves" goes absolutely nowhere.

I'm still not convinced a 10 song album that has two of the bands worst songs in "Stop" and "Animal", a song that is filler (which the band has never had on their other releases) in "Piss" and a re-recorded song that sounds really out of place in "Americans Abroad" can be considered worthwhile or anywhere near their best. Thats half the fucking album basically. All deplorable politics aside, the band still could release another amazing album, this just isn't very good.

recordtheory (July 12, 2007)

"The lyrics on "New Wave" are just as thought-provoking and empowering as they were on their other records"

ignore the thick cunt - it makes perfect sense to everyone apart from recordtheory


I wasn't talking about his statement, I was talking about the lyrics to New Wave. Like the music or not, you have to admit that it's Tom's worst lyrical effort. Saying they're "thought-provoking and empowering" is laughable at best.

Poor attempt at humor failed. I should stop, take some time to think. Think about what's important to me.

I've got a serious decision.

BA DA BADADADA BA BA BADADA

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

I'm prepared to get slammed, it's not like cynicism isn't in the air of Against Me! threads. But I don't know if I've met a previous fan yet who didn't cite how "un-AM!" this album is. Where the HELL are you all coming from? HIt me with your "it sure ain't no We Laugh At Danger" and "I just can't get into it, it's just not Re-inventing Axl Rose." Three full-lengths, a number of demo's and ep's, a DVD. It's a wonder how any of you who discredited the band for this album didn't jump ship two years ago. The following is a list of why this was coming, and why you honestly deserve to have your awareness checked.

1. It's called New Wave. The change was implied. I don't know what kind of further advanced warning system you would have liked to have received, but this was kind of the nail in the coffin regarding the sound change.

2. The best stuff from this album, mainly "Thrash Unreal", Up The Kuts", and "Born On The FM Waves Of A Heart", sound more reminiscent of Searching For A Former Clarity than anything from the first two albums. If you exiled them after Searching, you really have no business passionately bashing a band you lost interest in, apparently vehementy, two years ago. It's not Reinventing, it's not Cowboy. It's New Wave. Don't hate it for what it's not. If you're gonna hate it for what it is, listen to it first.

3. I don't know what band this sounds like if not only Against Me! Granted, Ocean is long winded and kind of underwhelming, and Animal is honestly some Uber-produced radio crap that I won't be surprised to hear played after the newest Korn single, but most of this is the same basic sound, the same band, the same ideals. Don't laugh at that. Piss And Vinegar may be absolute filler, but the lineup of the second, third, and fourth tracks is strong. To everyone who's argument was " it's not that I hate it, it's just that it's not against me!", have fun on your bandwagon and lack of oxygen.

4.Please, please get over all of this. The release date has passed, and even if we have yet to really see what effect this album is going to have, it didn't kill you because it wasn't "Crime". If they make Crime, pt. 2, I'll bumrush your asses to get to it, but until then, let's all want everyone to know that this album is just a moment in time for a band who had to have been overwhelmed, and never meant to do anything to hurt YOU. They didn't get here by ignoring what got them here. They got lucky, they are talented and they wrote a batch of songs that's about 40/60. But 40% is pretty genuinely amazing in my book, and the other 60% is harmless and won't come stab you in the back in the night.

I like this album because the stuff that IS good, is solid. I can hit repeat, back, and when I need to, skip. So can you. The fanboy debate has gone on for ages, but pissing and moaning on message boards gets you about as far as you've gotten so far. It's radio ready, still relevant, still politcal, now sans-punk rock that I like more than most things I've ever heard on a local station. If they blow up, at least them and not nu-metal powerhouse #X139-J. And if you wish them genuine malice, keep praying, Anti-Flag faded from the major spotlight pretty quickly. I, personally would love to see a band who I've devoted real listening time to be able to reach some people who would never have passed a glance at them before. I had honest dread in my heart coming into this album. It wasn't even close to as bad as it could have been. And hey, at least you Still have Jawbreaker. Blake never sold out.

bloofy (July 12, 2007)

I heard Thrash Unreal on Conan today. Sucks its considered the best song on the album, cause I thought it was merely "pretty good". I don't think I'll be getting this.

damnitsderek (July 12, 2007)

Score is for the havoc that this review unleashed on the 'org.

Seriously, this thread is fantastic.

Rawls_with_Balls (July 12, 2007)

Seeing as nothing gets the org community together like an Against Me! story - a review at that - I'd like to ask the following question:

WHERE IS SUPERDUDE? Where ya been man?

I'm sure he'd offer 3 ways to make this review better.

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

"The lyrics on "New Wave" are just as thought-provoking and empowering as they were on their other records"

ignore the thick cunt - it makes perfect sense to everyone apart from recordtheory

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

Meh, this CD is hit and miss for me right now. "White People for Peace" might be my new favorite AM! song, and "Stop" might be my least favorite.

But, when clarity came out, i was bummed out, but I grew to love that CD. I will have to wait and see if the same goes for this one.

AM! is one of those live bands. Everyone one of the songs from this album are going to be great live. The ones that I have heard already kicked ass, and now it will be even better to actually know each song as they are playing them.

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

this band has always blown since it's conception. this album only proves to me that there are a significant amount of morons in this world that accept a singer who sounds like someone took a shit down his throat as talented, and music that can't even live up to the crappy singing. with a name like against me!, it's no wonder why this band feels at the brunt end of an attack. they suck ass and there's no saving that. it's sad what people accept as talent these days. LONG LIVE MC HAMMER

CellarDoor (July 12, 2007)

The second half of the album is hot trash.
Score's for people who take themselves too seriously when discussing an anarcho-punk band signed to a major.

Cos (July 12, 2007)

Where's the Gogol Bordello review?

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

this review is intirely SPOT ON. i couldnt agree more.

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

Do they sound like Yellowcard? They have a new CD coming out soon, I wonder which one is better?

Anonymous (July 12, 2007)

Do they sound like Yellowcard? They have a new CD coming out soon, I wonder which one is better?

julianminutes (July 12, 2007)

it was me that said that it was james yelling fuckers at the end of americans abroad. i was wrong. it's tom.

jacknife737 (July 12, 2007)

Warren Kinsella, a liberal political strategist in Canada offered up his thoughts on the new album, I can't really say that i agree with his conclusions but i think that some of you should check it out, http://www.warrenkinsella.com/musings.htm

RedScare (July 12, 2007)

I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but looking at Justin's other reviews it appears as though he's a pretty tough grader. Lotsa low ratings for other records as well. His highest rating? For a Moneybrother record on Sabot, a label closely tied with AM! This whole biased reviewer thing just doesn't hold water, so quit being mean little bastards. As Fuzzy he even gave LTJ, one of his favorite bands a 2/5 as well. He's gonna be the kind of father that that cuts his own kid from the soccer team.

daff (July 12, 2007)

I think the album is good. The thing that irritates the most about it is that there are only 10 songs. Most of them are pretty good, but couldn't they at least throw 2-4 more songs on there. i don't even care if they are bad.

skanknsmile (July 12, 2007)

I think my biggest qualm with this record is that I was so desperate for answers from them and I feel like I didn't get them all. The songs...yes they are solid and this is a rock record. A good rock record. But we are all drifters looking for some redemption in four guys who seemed to know where to get the answers from. I know they are trying to get us away from thinking they are all-knowing beings of punk rock redemption, but I wanted more, needed more. Hopefully, we can find them on our own now.

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

score is for Rancid's back catalog.

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha wooooooow. This is soooooooooooooooooooo bad.

Albert_Belle (July 11, 2007)

Scores for the new Bad Religion album.

punkbytheounce (July 11, 2007)

They had SFAFC at wal*mart when it came out. That was pretty much game, set and match. However, I do have hope that eventually this band will become okay again.

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

I'm sorry. Let me rephrase that. *does deserve negative stars.*

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

I'm really glad this got two stars, to be honest. I'm sick of the positive reviews on here. That Poet's Life bullshit Timothy Armstrong put out doesn't deserves negative stars. Actually, that should be a choice on the album score feature: NEGATIVE STARS.

LinoleumMagazine (July 11, 2007)

Great fucking record. It just keeps growing and growing...
Anyone see 'em on Conan last night? Why was Tom wearing a white shirt? What a sellout! ;)

patman (July 11, 2007)

I gave this album an 8 out of 10. I don't think we can be mad, they told us upfront what this was going to be. It's not my favourite album, but its still worth listening to.
I think we all have to go back to Tom from Universal Records in "we're Never Going Home" were he says he wanted to sign Against Me! because they were different, so there change in sound obviously has no connection to them signing to bigger labels

thepuglife (July 11, 2007)

i wish they would just announce the release date of their next album so we can start the countdown.

surely they will bounce back?

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

How does it compare to the new Yellowcard punk CD?

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

Ace review.

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

I think I'm gonna go buy this at Wal-Mart.

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

thank fuck someone finally gives a score different than 4 to an anticipated album

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

"First off I??m calling shenanigans on this comment. Read a couple of the previous Against Me! threads they are full of the whole ??ZOMG! This isn??t anarcho folk-punk ANARKY!!!? statements."

Show me some of these then. If anything, people are criticizing Against Me's politics, not the fact they're not playing folk-punk anymore. People have had multiple albums to get used to the non-folk-punk idea. In this review, the majority of the criticisms are being based around the bland, shitty nature of the music itself, and not because it's not folk-punk and not because they're no longer anarchists.

"Your putting words in my mouth, I never said ??punk fans? couldn??t understand the album, rather they wouldn??t give it a chance and listen to it with an open mind. Punk has some of the most obnoxious, self-absorbed and closed minded fans on the planet, which fear anything that even approaches change."

I'm putting words in your mouth, but then you clarify what you said by essentially restating what I wrote? Okay, so you may not quite think that punk fans can't understand it, but you do think that they're too "obnoxious, self-absorbed and closed minded" to want to get it. Either way, what you're basically saying is that punk fans are too stupid to appreciate this album.

I would agree that punk has some of the most idiotic fans of any music genre, but most of the anti-New Wave crowd in this review's comments have been pretty reasonable. I'd imagine that it's a pretty safe bet that a considerable number of them listen to a wide variety of music, not just punk. Is it really that implausible that some people just don't like the album at all, plain and simple?

"And furthermore way to post Anonymously too *thumbs up*"

I have no real interest in making an account just so that the occasional time when I post on a news story, my words can be attributed to some trivial username. Besides, you're only one SLIGHT step less anonymous than I am - having a username/profile that tells next to nothing about you is hardly different from posting anonymously.

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

Great Album. Childish review.

Against Me has grown and matured. Hopefully, the reviewers at punknews will too.

Anchors (July 11, 2007)

You kids need to get off your computers and go outside or something, for Christ fucking sake.

jacknife737 (July 11, 2007)

?This is such a ridiculous comment. Who was expecting a folk-punk album??

First off I??m calling shenanigans on this comment. Read a couple of the previous Against Me! threads they are full of the whole ??ZOMG! This isn??t anarcho folk-punk ANARKY!!!? statements.

?As such, it's not like punk fans somehow can't understand the album, so your smugness and condescension is both undeserved and embarrassing.?

Your putting words in my mouth, I never said ??punk fans? couldn??t understand the album, rather they wouldn??t give it a chance and listen to it with an open mind. Punk has some of the most obnoxious, self-absorbed and closed minded fans on the planet, which fear anything that even approaches change.

And furthermore way to post Anonymously too *thumbs up*

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

No, I'm sorry. I translated the german word into english literally and the result seems to make no sense to you...

recordtheory (July 11, 2007)

"The lyrics on "New Wave" are just as thought-provoking and empowering as they were on their other records"

Is English your first language?

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

I like it. Very catchy. I wish it were a little longer, though.

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

I've been listening to this album over and over again, and I've been a fan of this band since "Reinventing Axl Rose", but I first saw them live when they released "Eternal Cowboy" - this was when I could see them here in Germany for the first time. Since them I visited every gig they played around here.
Personally, I think that the AM!'s music itself, or the genre, was never that important, as their most striking characteristic is Tom's voice and his incredible vocal lines everybody wants to sing along to (as to be witnessed on probably every single concert they play). Their style or genre doesn't matter to me, I even liked the remix of WPFP with that "electronic" feeling to it. Proves that it's a well written song that just works in every way.

The lyrics on "New Wave" are just as thought-provoking and empowering as they were on their other records and the recording sound fits well into their ongoing development. I know there are bands that move on and fuck up everything, but Against Me! have even exceeded my expectations after "Searching For A Former Clarity". The only thing I dislike is James and Andrew singing less in the background, I hope they'll be singing more parts on the next album. Sure, Tom keeps bitching about the mainstream industry, but at least he's one of the few who keep being observant and critical. He's amazingly talented in telling stories as in "Trash Unreal" in an exceptional way.

They still come around after the show to drink with and talk to the fans, I can't remember any "sellout"-band ever doing this.

9/10 because of the missing background vocals and the annoying Tegan.

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

"If one keeps an open mind, and stops being so cynical and get past the fact that there isn??t really any ??folk punk? on the album, you??ll realize that its full of catchy as hell music."

This is such a ridiculous comment. Who was expecting a folk-punk album? Against Me arguably haven't been making even a remotely 'folk-punk' type of music for their last few albums. No one expected folk-punk, so no one gives a shit that it's not that. People care because the songs fucking suck, regardless of what kind of music it is.

And as someone pointed out earlier, it's not as if punk records aren't essentially still 'rock' records. As such, it's not like punk fans somehow can't understand the album, so your smugness and condescension is both undeserved and embarrassing.

thirtyseconds (July 11, 2007)

I doubt I'll be listening to this. I really don't care about hype or anti-hype either. All I know is music should be judged by your ears and not your ideals. Yes fuck the music industry and blah de blah but just don't forget to actually listen.

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

as an unbiased observer who never really cared about against me! one way or the other and who hasn't even listened to this new album, i have to say that those who dislike the album are being far more rational about this than those who like it.

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

i don't like it, but my mother does

jacknife737 (July 11, 2007)

Ah, i was waiting for this review, and i was not disappointed, nor surprised. The review seemed (to me at least) to be nothing more then a big ??fuck you? to the band, and I doubt it would have gotten only 2 stars if it had been a Fat release. (compare this review to the total suck fest going on at the New Maps of Hell review) If one keeps an open mind, and stops being so cynical and get past the fact that there isn??t really any ??folk punk? on the album, you??ll realize that its full of catchy as hell music. Yet I guess a catchy song seems
to be lost on the punk scene these days, which is sad.

Score is for the review.

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

Shut up rodeoclown.

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

Score is for "dirty fucking sellout spades".

rodeoclown (July 11, 2007)

Everytime Against Me has moved up the label chain their fans have turned against them... so, good... who would want a fickle fanbase anyway? How many of the so called "punk scene" turned against them?

I hope they sell 100 million records while we all sit here and bitch about how much better they were when the 4 people that knew them watched them in a basement somewhere in the middle of Florida.

I first heard about them here in the comments section after RAR came out. That was about 5 years ago now. I can say for 100% sure that most people had no idea (pun intended) who they were at that point.

Stop romanticizing something most of you weren't a part of. The reason they are who they are is because of US... blame yourself.


how hard is this to understand - if AM had produced a great record, no-one would've minded. Dear You, Stranger Than Fiction, For Your Own Special Sweetheart...all albums beloved of punknews, and all major label debuts. notice how no-one shits on them? the music is first and foremost and, if it's bad (as is the case), then the whole 'sellout' stuff is just the icing on the cake (see also: Less Than Jake).

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

I was hoping for a great record, the selling out talk and all that stuff didn't bother me because I always loved this band.

I have no problem with change either, as long as that change is good.
This is just a bland rock record and no one realizes that butch vig fucked this up so bad (although it is still AM's fault for bringing him on)

I completely agree with the guy who said he wanted to keep james away from the mic.. it really sucks because his back ups are unique and very strong.

I actually like ocean, it builds up to this huge part (that james actually has a part on) and they all start rocking and the CD ends.. are you kidding me. I would bet my money that was a production decision by Butch Vig to cut that short.

Against Me's guitar sounds were always kind of dirty and thin, with a big bass under it. But that was gone, instead there was huge guitars which really took away that earthly organic, feel that even though against me signed to a major thought would be captured.

I'm even surprised Tom does throaty vocals on the CD with all the other stuff that was taken away from them.

As far as this goes, I can't see how AM doesn't know they screwed us, the fans. 10 songs? are you kidding me, thats the bare minimum required on a recording contract. 1 was already out. And they've been playing 3 or 4 for a few months now. This album was disappointing on that fact alone.
They used to sing about bureaucrats but their buerecratic label fucked up the release date and the mixing, and instead of getting the album out in the spring before the tour, or during it. We heard a lot of the songs already.

Forget that BS duet, which would be a good pop song, but not a good against me song.

Forget selling out, this record is just bland.

Kursk (July 11, 2007)

ok, so i finally listened to the album and I gotta say, it really isn't as good as I had hoped. Musically, I'm pretty satisfied, a lot of times it does seem a bit dulled down, but the songs themselves still seem to be pretty solid, Thrash Unreal. New Wave, Americans Abroad, Up the Cuts, and Ocean are all solid jams that i will definitely continue listening to. Lyrically, this album is weak, easily Tom's worst lyrics in my opinion. If I find the album used I'll probably pick it up, take that as you will.

And I didn't realize that Searching for a former clarity was such a negatively received album here, it is personally my favorite of all of their material and it is currently Against Me!'s apex in my opinion.

frostbrewliner (July 11, 2007)

TSS...this shit sucks.

letmego (July 11, 2007)

Wow pretty bad review - yeah its not record of the year, but you describ it like it was the worst record ever recorded

LTJ -Absolution for Idiots and Addicts 2.5/5
and you give New Wave a 2/5 ?

big release like that need unbiased reviewer..

ashtraymonument (July 11, 2007)

as pissed off as i am at the whole major label bullshit, i enjoy more than half of the songs on the album. Stop! is a travesty, Animal is silly, and they could have done better on other tracks.

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

Everytime Against Me has moved up the label chain their fans have turned against them... so, good... who would want a fickle fanbase anyway? How many of the so called "punk scene" turned against them?

I hope they sell 100 million records while we all sit here and bitch about how much better they were when the 4 people that knew them watched them in a basement somewhere in the middle of Florida.

I first heard about them here in the comments section after RAR came out. That was about 5 years ago now. I can say for 100% sure that most people had no idea (pun intended) who they were at that point.

Stop romanticizing something most of you weren't a part of. The reason they are who they are is because of US... blame yourself.

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

I love how people claim this is such a great rock record, like somehow punk records aren't rock records essentially and somehow since other people like punk they wouldn't understand it. I fthis is on the playing field of straightup modern rock records lets compare it to its peers then. the Deadly Snake's Porcella was a straight up rock record. Compared to this it is fucking godly. Fuck even The Draft (who are basically on a major with Epitaph) released a better rock record. This record is so fucking bland.

- JD

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

"does the cd/dvd version look different than the regular cd version"

The regular CD is in a plastic case. The CD/DVD combo is in one of those cardboard fold-over thingies and costs about $10 more. I'm a little disappointed that the regular CD didn't just come with the DVD as a free extra, like Tim Armstrong did with his solo album. Also, the DVD is a 50-minute concert, but there does not appear to be a making-of documentary, which I thought there was supposed to be. I couldn't bring myself to spend the extra $10 bucks just for a concert DVD.

By the way, does anyone else think "Ocean" is a total mind-fuck? That's what I like about Against Me! - I can't imagine any other band in punk writing a song about how they wish they were a woman. Crazy.

Tom was wearing a white shirt on Conan!

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

sire records is a crap hole. i hope they make these guys end their jobs as a rock n roll star. hey, want some extra cash for your hous ein the hills and your fancy cars? fuck you against me. you are not important, nor anything you write about means anything to the real working class. assholes.

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

sell out

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

sell out

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

stupid cover. sell out

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

this album is AM!'s Sandinista! Can't wait to hear their Combat Rock.

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

Score is for the Dodgeball quote about 2000 posts down

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

I like it.

joshisnthardcore (July 11, 2007)

i liked it , borne on the fm waves and animal are my least fav.tracks on this album. but the rest is very good.

WarIsPeace (July 11, 2007)

These comments pretty much insure the fact that I will never buy a copy of AP......not that I ever would have anyway.

Problematiclogic (July 11, 2007)

I wanted this to be so much better, but I still think it's good.

The fact theres only 10 songs, one of which was already available in another form is cheap. The lack of an acoustic song is disappointing. There aren't enough faster songs either.

BUT the songs do grow on you, and are AM! at their catchiest. Hope they can learn form their mistakes next time.

rodeoclown (July 11, 2007)

I like how the people defending this album have only 2 lines of argument:
1) you're just punk snobs, whining about DIY and ready to bash anything on a major label!
2) you're close minded and can't handle change!

To the 1st: people have said repeatedly that, even if this a debut album, it would still sound as dull and lifeless as it is. the fact that it followed the (still excellent) RAR, TEC and SFAFC just highlights how deflated they sound.

And, as for the second, I hear this about every band when they make a shitty turn. look, people don't hate this record because it lacks the folk sound, the anarchist lyrics, whatever...they hate it because it lacks the very lifeblood that once made them so vibrant. it's soulless. I would love AM! to write a really good, passionate rock record. but this isn't it.

waltezmo (July 11, 2007)

" In fact I'll be eagerly anticapating them on the cover of AP with the approiate title of "American's Abroad: Against Me is Here To Stay" "

That title doesn't even make sense.

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

"it's a really good rock record". Nah. It's not. No one that likes "rock" is gonna give two shits about this record.

But all of the whiners are also full of shit. If the band records these same songs by themselves on GarageBand and release it on Fat, most of the haters would be STP.

Bottom line is that this band was never worth getting that excited about in the first place.

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

while i do personally agree with the review, i enjoyed the album a little more. i think this band does need to do a little bit of a throwback in sound. for how capable and powerful this band is, this is a little too bland. still a decent record, but nothing that will be remembered a couple years down the road.

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

One more thing I am a firm beiliever that AP had nothing to due with Against Me when Reiventing came out. In fact I'm pretty sure they were still hyping all the latest trend bands. I'm sure now that AM! gained major label status they'll be all over them proclaiming that they are the greatest thing to hit music. In fact I'll be eagerly anticapating them on the cover of AP with the approiate title of "American's Abroad: Against Me is Here To Stay"

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

Some of you have really huge fucking egos.

Especially Scott.

Get over yourselves. Who cares if other people don't like the record? Do you want them to only review records they like? What the fuck is up with this site?

Again, get over ittttttttt, it is just music, stop acting like whiney little douche bags.

I understand that AM! project this really inclusive by superior image about themselves and this style of music, but just because you like it doesn't make you as with it as Gabel thinks he is, so leave the ego at the door buttmuches.

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

"The more I look at the completely ridiculous and off-the-mark comparisons to the Bee Gees and R. Kelly made above, the more I remember why I don't read reviews here anymore."

and yet you always read and comment on them. Ooooo look, you've done nothing but post on this one ya fucking prick

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

This album makes Searching For A Former Clarity almost sound good by comparison.

Almost.

This band stopped being worth the attention ages ago anyway. Ever since they got their current line-up together their sound has just continued to get blander and blander.

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

How does this album stack up next to Yellowcard's newest release?

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

best since crimes.

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

Hey Scott would your last name happened to be Webster from the AP boards? If so I tried to keep an extremely open mind with this record and listen to it 5 times in a row but it's flat out disappointing. In fact I feel no passion what so ever from this record and can't believe some people are calling it a "good" record. Granted I'm not comparing this to their older material but AM! completely abandoned everything that made them a breath of fresh air in the punk rock scene.

just my two cents

Anonymous (July 11, 2007)

To the person that commented on Butch Vig production, right on buddy.

Taken from what I said that sums up this album is mainly "Everything about this album is un- Against Me like and I have to place blame on the horrible decision to work with Butch Vig."

ps. Vig is working with Jimmy Eat World next and I pray that he doesn't fuck that band up

maverick (July 11, 2007)

1. The super thumb was sweet.

2. Super-pissed that Conan had the new album on LP even though it's supposedly been "delayed until July 24" according to Interpunk, Smartpunk AND No Idea.

3. "and does it seem like butch vig intentionally kept james away from the mic & only compromised by letting him yell FUCKERS at the end of "americans abroad"?"

That's James saying "Fuckers"? I thought it was Tom, myself. And James was actually going to sing the second part in "Borne On The FM Waves" had Tegan not been available.

4. The more I look at the completely ridiculous and off-the-mark comparisons to the Bee Gees and R. Kelly made above, the more I remember why I don't read reviews here anymore.

5. This record's still great.

-Scott

vocalyouth (July 11, 2007)

it's better than Searching For A Former Clarity, and that's about all I can ask for. That said, I do not like Searching For A Former Clarity very much.

Also, Stop does have the guitar riff and drum beat of a disco song, the bee-gees is a fair comparison there.

The lyrics on this album are pretty bad on the whole, too. "Boo hoo! The music industry sucks, we were forced into it!" I'm with the review on being tired of these kinds of songs. It's so far from the songs that made me love this band. As just a "rock record" I'd give it a 6 or 7. As an Against Me! album, I give it a 4. To average these scores, I'll give it a 5.

eastern_waste (July 11, 2007)

warren just gave the super thumb on conan. at least they didn't play stop.

Albert_Belle (July 11, 2007)

They were never that great to begin with. They're decent....decent.

Anchors (July 11, 2007)

You guys do understand that bitching about this record isn't going to change anyone's mind about it, right?

eastern_waste (July 11, 2007)

alright dude, you don't like the album, just leave the bee gee's out of this.

R3venge_Therapy (July 11, 2007)

Good job punknews on making sure you have someone who's biased against this record write the review. This is a whole lot of bullshit, because this is pretty far from being bad. Against Me has left about half of you in the dust by going "big" and writing a "big" record, so while the kids on this site that claim "majors=selloutz" feel like bitching up a storm and melting their keyboards as they type up 1000 word responses in defense of why they think this record (which they downloaded or streamed once just to make sure they could cite superficial reasons for disliking it) is trash, everyone else is going to enjoy it and appreciate it for what it really is: a really good rock record.

FuckYouOiOiOi (July 11, 2007)

...and Dear You still fucking sucks balls

FuckYouOiOiOi (July 11, 2007)

This review is great because its saying 'fuck you' to the band who told the punk scene to go fuck themselves. Obviously the record is not as bad as other 2 star reviews, but thats not the point. Congrats to Punknews for having the balls to call a spade a dirty fucking sellout spade.

score is for the review.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

i'm surprised more people haven't commented on butch vig's influence on the album. i wanted this album to be good so badly but aside from "thrash unreal", nothing on this album touches anything else against me has put out in the past.

and does it seem like butch vig intentionally kept james away from the mic & only compromised by letting him yell FUCKERS at the end of "americans abroad"?

as a huge fan of against me, i'd have to say that this album comes off more like a whimper against something like, oh say... searching. weak.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Crap album, crap review

-Chinktown

CogsintheMachine (July 10, 2007)

I think this review, though well written, is a bit biased. I think this album is quality. It sounds way different, of course, but these songs are solid, much more so, I would say, than Clarity.
Will this be AM!'s Dear You, where people trash and trash it, then ten years later, realize how fucking stellar it is? I don't know. But I think given some time to cool off, people will see it's a good fucking album.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

"does the cd/dvd version look different than the regular cd version"

here's a tip - fuck off you boring twat

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

does the cd/dvd version look different than the regular cd version

Kursk (July 10, 2007)

i still haven't heard ALL of this album, so I think I will go do that instead of taking the reviewer's word on it and then decide whether all of the pissing and moaning is actually justified.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

those who only want reviews that are positive are missing the point surely. If you want fanboy reviews go and snort charlie off Scott's bell-end

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

"Please don't try to tell me what my magazine does and does not cover. I have a pretty decent memory about these things, as well as a room full of back issues."

scott - you are one fucking pillock and an egocentric cunt. Toby questions something (nicely)and there you go on your uppity high horse. You are a fucking knobrot

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

i think this reviwer just might be one of those dudes that was angry with the hype and went straight into this with a bad attitude leaving no space for even a chance of liking this album

SloaneDaley (July 10, 2007)

wahhhh im so DIY that i dont like against me anymore waaaah im not even gunna give this album a chance cause my mohawk is too tall to deal with bands that actually get anywhere..

you are all blind deaf and have a bad sense of music taste.

this album is great just get your head of out of your "sellout hating" asses.


thats not really what I said at all so you can fuck right off. Some of my favourite albums are on major labels Jawbox's "For Your Own Special Sweetheart", Samiam's "Clumsy", Jawbreaker's "Dear You", Smoking Popes' "Born To Quit" need I go on? you know nothing this album's lyrical and musical ability doesn't touch even any of thsoe I mentioned so don't go on about baseless claims of how awesome this is. And I don't believe in D.I.Y. I believe in Do It Together. I'm sorry I have ideals and I'm not a fucking flip flopper.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

It is interesting how half of the people here are simply saying they don't like the record, then the other "mature" half are the ones insulting and cursing at them for it.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

wahhhh im so DIY that i dont like against me anymore waaaah im not even gunna give this album a chance cause my mohawk is too tall to deal with bands that actually get anywhere..

you are all blind deaf and have a bad sense of music taste.

this album is great just get your head of out of your "sellout hating" asses.

SloaneDaley (July 10, 2007)

After listening to the album all day at work and taking in all the factors I have been left with a gross taste in my mouth.
I don't really care that they signed with a major since I have no right to judge that choice since I've never had to make one like that myself. However, the lyrics in this album and their remarks outside it seem to spit upon and take for granted the punk and underground community that afforded them the very success they enjoy today. That is something that detracts from the music and is shameful. They may have been treated unfairly by ignorent little dickhead slashing tires and whatnot which sucks. To discount the groups of caring and hardworking individuals that help sustain punk and hardcore communities across the world is small minded and dickish in its own right. Sure the pop'd collar flip flop golf shirt crowd won't give a damn if sexy Tom has slagged off all we worked for but I guess thats who buys the records not us wallowing in punk ghetto.

Also I think if they wanted to do a song like "Stop" they should have gone way over the top and added whirling synth organ and had some "ra-ra-rasputine" female backups on the chorus. If you are going to jump the shark you might as well do it right.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

the beegies? hilarious! finally some justice.

-chris

drunkenriot (July 10, 2007)

what is this pitchfork?!

misterspike (July 10, 2007)

I like it. My biggest complaint is that the vocals in "Americans Abroad" seem buried. As a whole New Wave doesn't reach out and Grab you ... it just grows on you.

And is it me, or does "Ocean" have a Jane's Addiction-ish "Three Days" kinna vibe?

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Reviewer's a fucking moron as well as 90% of the kiddies that post here. The guy who posted about music critics before everyone that had a computer was one is spot on.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

3 words I never thought I would compare to Against Me!... bland, unemotional, and disspointing.

glasspipemurder (July 10, 2007)

haha... the lyrics in the cd booklet are censored. real fucking punk.

also, the lyrics in the booklet of Up the Cuts read "In MRR (Maximum Rock and Roll)< i> someoone asks the questions.. "
thanks for the hint, lyric typers. now i know what MRR stands for.

FatTony (July 10, 2007)

I want to like it, but this album just isn't good. I'm having a hard time listening to it all the way through a second time. I just want to skip every track. The choruses aren't even singalong worthy. The last album was way better than this, which is saying something since the last album wasn't that great and had very little replay value.

The band's making music they want to make? Good for them. That doesn't change the fact that it sucks. Chalk this up as yet another disappointing 2007 release.

klonny (July 10, 2007)

It DID lose the folk stuff, but....I like it. And I'm surprised that I do.

VictorIkpeba24 (July 10, 2007)

Good review, I totally agree.

I still enjoy this though, it's not a bad album, there are catchy songs, Stop would be a good song for a dance rock band, but it's not what one expects from Against Me!. They've lost their originality, what was making them something special.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

""Ed is Sexxy" has already been released on a comp as either "Clap Clap" or "Take Aim" I have them both but I am not at home so I can't tell you which is which."

Just saw that comp on Interpunk... is it legit, or did they just throw the songs on there w/o permission? Just have a hard time believing those are the real names for those songs.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

When I think about the lyrics to "Don't Lose Touch," I can't help but think that they now apply to themselves.

Even the stuff on this record that still might have the sincere feeling for which they became known is over-produced into oblivion. I always liked that they were sorta minimalist. This kinda sound might work for the fucking Smashing Pumpkins, but not for Against Me!

In closing, Mischief Brew is to me now what Against Me! was 5 years ago.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

anyone else think this album makes them feel like a jaded punk?

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

after i've listened to this album i get the feeling that it's some kind of massive inside joke on all their zealot fans.

telegraphrocks (July 10, 2007)

Album is very good, very entertaining, very fun.

It's music, assholes. Great music.

niveK82 (July 10, 2007)

"Ed is Sexxy" has already been released on a comp as either "Clap Clap" or "Take Aim" I have them both but I am not at home so I can't tell you which is which.

cuapunkradio (July 10, 2007)

i applaud this review, while i do not agree with everything written. the album is catchy and at times engaging but it does fall flat as a whole with the second half of the album being severly dissapointing (minus some parts of ocean). kudos to justin for having the balls to write a candid review. can anyone seriously say that the lyrics on this record are good, or even at times decent enough to be mediocre, without even taking into account TG's previous catalogue? also, how are all the punknews/pseudo-punknews regulars going to get along at the next fest or vegas bowling if you bitches (scott counts as plural) get so worked up over FUCKING REVIEWS!!! This album was not necessarilly overproduced or terrible but it is definetly their worst full length and i say that having a great respect for the previous three.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

This is a good album. I used to be like all the rest of you and hate any band that signed to a major, but now i don't care as much as long as the music is still good. It's still the against me sound, a little more mature. I completely disagree with the reviewer. He may need to take another listen.

ChokingVictim (July 10, 2007)

haven't really listened to this yet, but from what i've skimmed through, i'm a little disappointed. it still seems like it'll be a decent album for a rock album...you just can't go into it expecting the "folk-punk" against me.

from what I hear, i don't think it will be very good as far as AM! recrods go. however, i think it will still be a good CD otherwise.

elephantdwarf (July 10, 2007)

Posted by Anchors on 2007-07-10 02:38:02
My Score:

Posted by elephantdwarf on 2007-07-10 01:10:16
My Score:
scores for R. Kelly.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

"has anyone else thought they were funny ripping a huge fart in front of someone and then you instantly realize that you shit your pants a little bit? score is for that, it sucks."

I remember the first time that happened to me. I was in 6th grade...felt so disgusting...

ibitchslappedyourmama (July 10, 2007)

>>Judging from these comments, it seems like the pro-Against Me crowd has become more voracious, numerous, and idiotic than the anti-Against Me crowd.

I guess defending Against Me has become the new hating Against Me.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

has anyone else thought they were funny ripping a huge fart in front of someone and then you instantly realize that you shit your pants a little bit? score is for that, it sucks.

rodeoclown (July 10, 2007)

I know it's really safe to say this from the annonymity of the internet, but this is honestly one of the worst albums I've ever heard. even if you distance the AM! moniker and judge it as a pop/rock record, it utterly falls flat. the Butch Vig production is horrendous (the super-shinyness just highlights the songwriting errors), Tom's lyrics have gone to shit ("I'm looking for the CREST!" makes him sound like some sort of comedy pirate) and the bizarre stylistic diversions sound like a band deliberately tredding on the toes of old fans.

put something like Walking Is Still Honest up against, say, Animal or (god forbid) Stop and it's hard to argue that they've evolved at all. rather, they've shed off the very things that once made them so vital and regressed into another dull radio rock band.

I give it a 4. I like Up The Cuts and White People For Peace. Thrash Unreal would be nice, if it wasn't a few thin ideas stretched out over 4 minutes.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

it's true. i just bought a copy of the album and my initial thought was "why does the word fucking contain asterisks?"

Not-To-Regret (July 10, 2007)

After one listen, I find this album is lacking songs like "Unsubstantiated Rumors...", "How Low", "Problems", "8 Full Hours of Sleep", "We Laugh At Danger and Break all the Rules"...
I understand they want to grow as artists and break away from their old image but these songs just don't have the passion, originality, or even energy of their old stuff. It's a darker, slower paced album, but lacking real hooks, which is funny because being on a major label, shouldn't this be more accessible? Songs that are mentioned above are more accessible and would be more suited for radio if you ask me, albeit the tunes from axl with better production. (see the allmusic.com review... they gave this 4 fucking stars, saying that it'll grow on us, maybe a few tracks might grow, but as a whole album, no fucking way)

defianceohioequalslove (July 10, 2007)

"haha... the lyrics in the cd booklet are censored. real fucking punk."

If this is true... I'm pretty sure I'll die of laughter.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

New Wave > AP

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

fuckzors the punxzors.

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blow me, cockstain.

Don't placate me like i'm your mother, boy.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

haha... the lyrics in the cd booklet are censored. real fucking punk.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

scott - get fucked

if you keep this up i'm not going to have enough time to keep railing on dante.

GlassPipeMurder (July 10, 2007)

The mini-hook in the title track is good, and of course Thrash Unreal is great...Americans Abroad good but old, and Up the Cuts is good. 6.5 rounded up = 7/10

RedScare (July 10, 2007)

"This record is still great"

I'm not making any judgment on the record. In fact I agree with the band's and your statement about "even at their worst, they're better than most". That said, "most" bands are pretty shitty. But I am impressed that people can make an earnest assessment of a band that they love. Justin's review strictly discusses music and he backs it up. You can agree or disagree with the evidence he presents, but getting personal doesn't refute his opinion. You should know that as someone who reviews CDs and someone who gets a LOT of shit from people.

As for the stuff in AP, I guess I stand corrected. I remember a photo of Warren wearing Daisy Dukes at Common Grounds for Cowboy and the lead review for Searching, but I can't say much else about them being in that magazine. So you're right.

Jeez guy, when did you start talking like Darth Vader?

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

What types of donkey's are we talking here? Domestic or feral?

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Do you think it's better than the sound of donkey shit hitting the wall?

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Do you think it's better than the new Yellowcard?

CatNamedVirtue (July 10, 2007)

"The funniest thing about all of this, is that there's a common theme with every post saying how great this cd is. they list about 3 songs and say how amazing they are, and that's it. I never knew 3/10 good songs made a cd great."

I agree with this guy. I was going to buy the album, but now... I'm not so sure.

defianceohioequalslove (July 10, 2007)

The funniest thing about all of this, is that there's a common theme with every post saying how great this cd is. they list about 3 songs and say how amazing they are, and that's it. I never knew 3/10 good songs made a cd great.

There's 10 songs on this cd. 10. One of which was already released. That gives us 9 new songs. Am I the only one thats amazed at the fact that they only put 9 new songs on this damned thing? I personally would've loved to see a song like "Ed Is Sexy" put on here to add more weight to the disk.

Simply put, Justin just about wrote the perfect review for this, though I'd personally say the score is too high...

panicbxmb (July 10, 2007)

i've loved everything since Crimes (especially Axl Rose and Acoustic EP), but i still love New Wave... the songwriting isn't AM!'s best, but it's still damn good. a lot better than a lot of shit you hear on the radio.

i guess the Against Me song title "Even At Our Worst We're Better Than Most" is a pretty good way to sum up my thoughts on this cd.

Dante3000 (July 10, 2007)

I have ... a room full of back issues
I fail to see what your entire collection of "Underage Cousin Humpin' Monthly" has to do with anything.
Oh of AP...That's almost worse.
-Dante

Rawls_with_Balls (July 10, 2007)

I've given this album at least 5 complete listens and I really do like it. Speaking honestly, Clarity is a stronger album with more depth. I would put this around the level of Eternal Cowboy. Of course, it's not gonna touch Reinventing Axl Rose.

I love the duet, but maybe just because I've recently gone through a long distance breakup. The single might wear on me, but then again I never flip on the f.m. so maybe not. Americans Abroad still rips and I like the studio adaptation. Stop will be the real battlegorund track, no doubt polarizing the fanbase with it's dancy overtones.

I suppose what will always save this band for me no matter what is Tom's cutting voice and lyrical insight.

88-fingers-tony (July 10, 2007)

and AP magazine is a waste of dead trees

88-fingers-tony (July 10, 2007)

stop!... writing shitty dance music.

the first song builds to a chorus that left me limp dicked... stop made me want to seizure, the duet was incredibly out of place, and the last two songs are a massive stretch.

everything else on the album is lame. the gaslight anthem cd >>>>>>>>>>>>> this overproduced turd.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

If Against Me! releases another record this site will implode.

/never listened to a whole AM! record
//jus sayin

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

I want my 10 dollars back.

maverick (July 10, 2007)

"As far as I remember, AP never did any features on Against Me!. Album reviews yes. I don't remember a story for "Clarity", but maybe I'm wrong. "

Toby, you're way wrong.

In AP 185, there was a three-page feature on AM! ca. Cowboy.

In AP 207, there was a four-page feature on AM! ca. SFAFC. They also had the lead review that month (I know because I wrote it).

Tom was on the cover of AP 217, ca. Americans Abroad (a record that -- lo and behold -- Fat put out).

In between (and after) all of that, the band have been featured multiple times in our Most Anticipated issues, the In The Studio section, the AP Poll, etc. We've been supporting this band since just about everybody else in the underground started to, as well.

Please don't try to tell me what my magazine does and does not cover. I have a pretty decent memory about these things, as well as a room full of back issues.

This record is still great.

-Scott

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

this review is spot on. i mean, cmon 10 songs for one. two, most of them sound like they arent even trying anymore. searching...kicks the shit out of this record.

KlashedKi (July 10, 2007)

Sheesh, when will people realize that most of us are not angry or frustrated with Against Me's signing and learn that its just because they stop knowing how to write a good song.

Listening to New Wave an old listener can not help but feel betrayed in every manner possible.

HumanUnkind (July 10, 2007)

I think it's good. I want to give it 8 but not yet, I think it might grow on me some more.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

I been coming here to read reviews for a long time and I think the reviewer is right on point. I kept an open mind towards this album and I'll be the first to say I love Searching For A Former Clarity but New Wave is garbage. First off the opening track is completely boring and lifeless. Everything about this album is un- Against Me like and I have to place blame on the horrible decision to work with Butch Vig. The only songs that I like is "Up The Cuts" and the single "White People For Peace". I hate how this album lacks the passion and anger that made me love AM! Stop sounds like a Fran Ferdinand song and could maybe bring AM so money with mainstream audiences. I like the fact that they took a chance and signed with a major but this pathetic excuse for an album is the most disappointing release I listen to in a long t

sciulli (July 10, 2007)

I just did my first listen through and I really enjoyed it. Everyone's been ragging on "FM Waves" but I'd have to say that's one of the standout tracks (so far). I have a feeling that in a few months, I'll like this more than "Clarity," but not over the first two.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Scott is not stoked!

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

This album kind of sounds like they wrote all of the songs in a week. It's on the verge of being good, but comes off kind of lackluster. Unless the singles do surprisingly well this album could be career suicide for this band. They'll go broke trying to pay the label back and then it's death time, baby.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

I'm not sure what everyone is all uppity about. The album isn't the worst thing in the world nor is it the greatest. If AM! had just had a demo and a few EPs, and then released this via a major, there would be 15 comments including "first" and "the MILF Hunter was here". The rest would be a lot of "pretty okay for a major label album" and the posts of that ilk people would forget about it come friday. This is a 5 or 6 nothing god awful (maybe Stop and Animal) and nothing that amazing.

- JD

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

shit review, great album

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

" They're giving you thousands of hours of
entertainment for free. What could they possibly owe
you? "

oh, so warner is cool with our downloading this stuff for free? i guess we'll shut up then

Cos (July 10, 2007)

ComicBookGuy: Last night's Itchy & Scratchy was, without a doubt,
the worst episode ever. Rest assured I was on the internet
within minutes registering my disgust throughout the
world.

Bart: Hey, I know it wasn't great, but what right do you
have to complain?

ComicBookGuy: As a loyal viewer, I feel they owe me.

Bart: What? They're giving you thousands of hours of
entertainment for free. What could they possibly owe
you?
I mean, if anything, you owe them.

ComicBookGuy: .....Worst episode ever.

MedioCore (July 10, 2007)

Just a thought...

When are the two songs off the stolen demo that *haven't* been officially released going to get the proper treatment? They're both better than several songs on SFAFC and New Wave.

Dante3000 (July 10, 2007)

I seriously need to quit checking this review.
First, I may love "newspaper guy" as I'll now call him.
Second, that AP Review is shit. Even if you love the album the guy is calling to two songs that are consistently the worst reviewed by fans as the best songs on the album.
Half of the review is stating silly facts:
older fans will be pissed Against Me! has more of a rock sound, while that same sound will also draw in newer fans.
While the other half is giving praise where it isn't typically called for.
Again, I haven't heard the record in full but that review sounds far more biased.
-Dante

colin (July 10, 2007)

let's place bets on what teen movie / tv franchise gets the rights to the tegan and sara song to put as a backdrop to a prom or a montage of a fight scene between oh so adorable boyfriend and girlfriend.

RedScare (July 10, 2007)

Yo Maverick...

As far as I remember, AP never did any features on Against Me!. Album reviews yes. I don't remember a story for "Clarity", but maybe I'm wrong.

Tom appeared on the cover of the Warped issue long after they had signed to Warner Brothers. Just setting a few things straight...

As for Justin having an axe to grind, that's ridiculous. It was only a little while ago in Santa Cruz that Justin and his pal Lalo were watching Against Me! from the side of the stage and practically in tears. I had to go over and tell them to wipe it off and zip it up. I think it's the duty of a reviewer to be honest, whether you like the record or not, and I was actually surprised to see a candid review of a band so beloved by the staff and readers here. It's why this site is still considered respectable, and I expect nothing less.

SonnySix (July 10, 2007)

Bravo! Great Fucking Review!

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

haven't heard the album. well done review. that is all.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

I believe most people defending this release are blinded by the name on the sleeve. It's bland. Really.

This album is mediocre, and will be forgotten as quickly as Anti-Flag's 'For Blood and Empire' was.

MedioCore (July 10, 2007)

Not my favorite AM! album, but definitely better than 2-stars.

"Stop" is a pretty shitty song (like "Justin" off SFAFC), but other than that it's pretty decent. I agree that the lyrics aren't as strong as past albums, but this is in no way a disaster of an album.

"Up the Cuts," "Thrash Unreal," and "Borne on the FM Waves" are the highlights for me.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

It's pretty embarassing when absolutepunk.net has a better, more unbiased critique of a record than Punknews does"

By a "better, more unbiased critique", you mean one that you agree with?

Exactly. Why does everyone want a glowing review of this album? Get over it. Write your own review if you don't like the review. And I've never met this Scott guy, but he seems like a total douchebag.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Honestly this is a lot better than i thought it was going to be. People don't enjoy it because they have a different sound almost completely, but why would anyone want to stick to one sound. Especially when it's shitty recordings with some guy screaming.(although i enjoy them) Theyv'e opened up to a great sound and can even be compared to great bands now like the replacements.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

"It's pretty embarassing when absolutepunk.net has a better, more unbiased critique of a record than Punknews does"

By a "better, more unbiased critique", you mean one that you agree with?

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=247750

It's pretty embarassing when absolutepunk.net has a better, more unbiased critique of a record than Punknews does.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

to 88 fingers tony:

i haven't heard the new album, but I always thought that track 4 on "searcing for a former clarity" sounded JUST like "take me out" by franz ferdinand. oh well, it could be worse.

Paul

holy_hack_ben (July 10, 2007)

Not bad, but nothing great. Unreal Thrash is a pretty cool song.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

it is not a HORRIBLE album, but it pales in comparison to their other albums. it's a major let down that's all. we expect more from a band that has written such good albums in the past. if this were their first album, people probably wouldn't be so critical.

travisa (July 10, 2007)

Whoever compared this album to a Michael Bay film is pretty much spot on. This album displays the same shallow depth, simplistic dialog and formulaic composition as any Michael Bay blockbuster. The key difference is that Michael Bay films will at least assault your senses with high gloss production and effects . New Wave couldn't even be bothered to be incredibly over-produced and it ends up sounding like a bargain basement pop album. If you are going to write a pop album, then own and polish that turd to sparkly sheen. It's really the only way to distract the listener from the fact that you have just insulted their intelligence for 45 minutes or so.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

I might as well pick this up for the Steak Mtn artwork on the 7".

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Dante... First... You are ridiculous...

Second... No I don't write or deliver the papers... what I do has no relevance to the conversation. I actually felt funny pulling that card. I just know a bunch of the writers and the care MOST of them put into what they write. I should have explained that.

Third.. I'm bitter at the industry too... it's dying around me...

Fourth...

Shut up..

Fifth...

The new record is still good...

Dante3000 (July 10, 2007)

Couple of things:
I may be biased because I work in the newspaper business
HAHA, good luck sucking the blood out of that dead horse. I figure unless you work for the Associated Press, being in the "newspaper business" means you deliver them at 5am (no offense, our local paper just laid off 100 or so people and I'm just bitter at the industry).
your standard for reviews is quite low
You mean, "your standard for reviews they be quite low"...Newspaper business psh.

In closing, "scott is an even bigger jackass than dante is" made me laugh. WOOHOO!! I'm not the worst, I'm not the worst!
-Dante

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

a lot of the songs on this album remind me of jimmy eat world's harder stuff.... anyone else hear it?

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

no lasting power here, i dug the first 10 spins but i just dont see myself listening to it again.....i could care less what direction they head as long as its good and this record just gets boring quick

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

While I want to bash the review REALLY BAD for sounding adolescent and childish, I'm going to bite my tongue.

I just want to say, this record is really good. It's a step forward musically (maybe not lyrically). The songs are more melodic and hooky than anything they've ever written which I see as a good thing. Listen to "The Politics of Starving" and then "Ocean" back to back and tell me they haven't grown as musicians. If you think they haven't, well... you probably need new ears.... and some musical knowledge.

Finally... The R. Kelly comparison is just plain silly. The last track is one of the best they have EVER written. R. Kelly? My question is did you ever listen to an R. Kelly record or even the one that you compare it to?

Punknews.org I love you, and I'm glad you do what you do. One of my only complaints is that your staff reviews sound like they are written by kids most of the time (which the "punk scene" is mostly comprised of (just look at Against Me's Myspace page and follow all the links of people bashing them.. usually 15-20 years old). I wish you could step it up in this department. I mean, I may be biased because I work in the newspaper business.... (and older than a lot of people here) ... but your standard for reviews is quite low. I understand how user reviews can read like a message board rant (like this one I just wrote), but I think you should hold staff reviews (especially for such highly anticipated albums) to a higher standard.

- Off soap box -

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

fucking sell outs. i knew from the first record, these chumps would go the direction of money. fuck against me. worst fake band ever.

inwiththeold (July 10, 2007)

I hope that Against Me! will take the cue from Less Than Jake and ask to have their contract nullified. I seem to agree with this justin guy although on a less harsh scale. The actual music isnt all that impressive and a couple songs do seem out of place(Americans, White People). The music just doesnt rock as much. It is against me though... as SFAFC states "Even at our worst, we're still better then most"

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

don't like it

JerryCola (July 10, 2007)

--when did franz ferdinand start writing with against me?

I want to look at the booklet to see if Franz Ferdinand at least got a writing credit for "Stop"...

quoteunquoterecords (July 10, 2007)

i find it pretty ironic that there is a statement tearing justin apart followed by another statement saying "i'm not gonna dissect your opinion." um, duh.

7/10/07 6 months does NOT equal 1/10/07. it equals 1/10/08. srzly ppl.

and mr. scott and his fleet and golden hovercrafts, i am one of the many people who believes that a band which builds its fanbase on the principles of anarchy and communism should be held responsible a bit when they abandon that. the kids who believe those messages are the ones that got them famous enough to turn their backs on those messages. that kinda shits.

and that doesn't have to do with the music, but i think it's just as bad to give a record a good review based on anticipating backlash as it is to give a bad review based on a band being SELLOUTZ. this record contains almost none of the experimentation that made the last three records so great and that made against me! a standout band. in my opinion, it's a tepid record from one of the most energetic bands of the past decade. if this CD arrived with "the f-ups" written on the spine, there's a good chance it'd be slammed by everyone as "major label punk."

With that said, everyone's entitled to their own opinion. This record IS important because it came out on a major label and it will receive a lot of attention, however it could just be a disappointing release from a band that has put out consistently good records for a really long time, has always been overly nice to their fans, continues to release vinyl and has spent the better part of four years touring. Against Me! can do whatever the fuck they want and deserves the best luck possible and I hope this album gets them whatever they're looking for.

88-fingers-tony (July 10, 2007)

when did franz ferdinand start writing with against me?

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

VVVV They gave it a B plus. This system must not like the plus sign.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Somebody asked about what mainstream critics think of New Wave. Entertainment Weekly gave it a B and said something along the lines of "It would be a shame if the outdated theoretical views of the band's longtime fans kept them from pogoing along." That's the only mainstream review I've seen so far.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

incredible. scott is an even bigger jackass than dante is.

WainscottRockCity (July 10, 2007)

This review compared it to London Calling:

http://www.aversion.com/bands/reviews.cfm?f_id=3174

skankbook (July 10, 2007)

I don't want to say "New Wave" sucks as an Against Me! album, because music, for most bands, is about evolving and seeing what new styles they can conquer. I don't want to say I'm disappointed, because there ARE some good songs. If a first time listener were to listen to all their albums on random, I'm pretty sure they'd be able to tell it comes after "SFAFC," the sound and themes are very similar. I think the band has changed and matured a lot since "Axl Rose," and it seems most people on this site's musical tastes haven't grown with the band. I'm NOT trying to shit talk, because everyone's tastes are different. Some prefer straight punk, others like when bands try something new. It's a way of life.

Thanks to those who suggested I buy this, I'm glad I did. I'm really digging the first half of the album. The second half... eh. Tom singing about how he wishes he were a woman and had a husband with kids... yeah, that's just weird. But overall, it's a good rock album, and I think it will grow on me over time.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

for sure i will be interested to see what mainstream music critics who dont care about punk politics or have a previous allegiance to Against Me think. i bet they think its mad boring.

lostandclowned (July 10, 2007)

has anyone heard "you must be willing,' yet? if so, is it good?

Dante3000 (July 10, 2007)

Maybe I'm just retarded but I've read and reread the interview and while I don't necessarily agree with Justin's opinion I, in no way, find it as some sort of unfounded trashing of a band he feels betrayed by.
He states time and time again that his qualms with the albums stem from weak lyrical matter (that he considers a weak rehashing of Clarity) and repetitive and uninspired melody. Justin even goes so far as to say (in the last paragraph) that despite all the noise and blather all that matters is the music.
If you disagree with the review that's fine but don't act like this is some "out of the blue" slam fest on Against Me! on some personal level.
-Dante

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

it isn't an "against me" record as the fans know it but it is a decent rock record. not too bad

calieRamone (July 10, 2007)

I honestly feel Against Me! is evolving and bringing the punk scene along with it.

sure New Wave isn't no Reinventing or As The Eternal Cowboy...
but it truly is a new wave of music.
the cd is full of music that's passionate and full of compelling lyrics- but with a very different sound, one that can take the whole scene into a different direction, just like their previous albums have done.

kudos to Against Me! for not only reinventing themselves, but striving to reinvent the sound of punk.

branden (July 10, 2007)

very bad, i dont even want to think about listening to it. and the packaging is shit too.

Nap (July 10, 2007)

Come on!!! It's good, you know it.

baseball (July 10, 2007)

Did you order the vinyl? If so, it's been pushed back to a July 24 release date so you'll have to wait a few more weeks.

-Scott


i got the CD pre-order with the limited Thrash Unreal 7" from Interpunk

please tell me that hasn't been delayed...mostly because I stuck the new Bad Religion on that order as well and i want that too!

danperrone (July 10, 2007)

and seriously...

WHY CAN'T WE BE ANGRY THAT ONE OF OUR FAVORITE PUNK ROCK BANDS PUT OUT A POP/ROCK ALBUM?!?!?!?

danperrone (July 10, 2007)

this album is terrible

people who feel betrayed by against me! > people who actually like this record

asxyouxwish (July 10, 2007)

this review really should have gone to a more neutral reviewer so they could give it the positive review i wanted to read. now that someone disagrees with me, i don't know where i stand anymore. who am i? what does any of this mean!

Piata (July 10, 2007)

Pretty boring CD. A few highlights but nothing solid enough to consider an ablum. Mostly agree with the review.

kill_whitey (July 10, 2007)

i like it...don't really care what the rest of ya'll think

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Bitch, my and your face....or my gun and your mouth!

WarIsPeace (July 10, 2007)

Haven't listened to it yet, but I'm really kinda confused as to why everyone is giving the reviewer shit. It's a good review....maybe a litttle bit biased, but what review isn't when you're reviewing a band with a variety of previous releases and lots of hype (both good and bad) surrounding this release. If he gave the album a great review, people would talk shit about being a biased fan-boy. It's a lose-lose situation.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Judging from these comments, it seems like the pro-Against Me crowd has become more voracious, numerous, and idiotic than the anti-Against Me crowd.

I guess defending Against Me has become the new hating Against Me.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

the order of Against Me!'s full lengths from best to least best should be as follows:

Searching For A Former Clarity
As The Eternal Cowboy
Reinventing Axl Rose
New Wave

Crime As Forgiven By and Disco Before The Breakdown would go after Clarity.

- JD

ihateallofyou (July 10, 2007)

My Review of This Review;
The internet murdered the art of music critique. Your prose, sir, is dreadful. Your comparisons are off base and unwarranted. Most importantly, your scathing attacks have no basis for their presence other then to shock the reader. I would love to return the time when music critic was a profession that took more credentials then owning a computer.

My Review of New Wave;
Fucking Awesome!

recordtheory (July 10, 2007)

Woops, forgot to actually rate this IN STARS.

m-oo (July 10, 2007)

Clarity is a far superior album. I love Up The Cuts, Thrash Unreal and White people for peace. The rest is just boring. Was hoping for so much more.

recordtheory (July 10, 2007)

By no means is this WORST ALBUM EVAR, but it is another emotional, musical, and lyrical step down for the band. I don't care about any of the backstory and politics of the band. I don't care what label they're on. What disappoints me is the lack of intensity and raw emotion. I know that different listeners have different reaction to different aspects of Against Me!'s music, but in my opinion, each album has been a step down from Reinventing Axl Rose.

With Clarity, and even more so with New Wave, the songs are more mid-tempo and formulaic. Production values also do a lot to dull the edge. The sharp lyrical wit of Axl Rose and Eternal Cowboy are replaced with mundane (and somewhat ironic) condemnations of the music industry. The band seems more inclined to talk about themselves than the world around them. Songs like "The Energizer" and "White People for Peace" almost seem out of context, even though they do more to revisit "old" Against Me!

I wish the best to Tom & Co., but New Wave is the first Against Me! album that won't sit on my shelf.

Reinventing Axl Rose: 9/10
As the Eternal Cowboy: 7/10
Searching for a Former Clarity: 5/10
New Wave: 3/10

moneenerd (July 10, 2007)

boring dance punk.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

I pretty much agree with this review - I really didn't enjoy this album at all.

Also, "Stop" is the new "Justin".

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Man I loved Clarity, it really struck me weird when I first heard it but it really grew on me over time. I'm not sure New Wave will have that effect, but 2 stars is a little to low.

I'm glad someone else loves Searching For A Former Clarity. It has zero filler unlike this album as well as two of the band's best songs in "MIami" and "Searching For A Former Clarity". This while having strong numbers has nothing that touchs their ten best songs.

- JD

Homie (July 10, 2007)

Not a perfect album, but who does make one? The first three songs fulfill Against Me's promise of writing pop song gems that have seemed to always be lurking just under the suface of their albums. The rest of the album is really solid without much filler. I think Butch Vig did a good job of capturing the band's sound and taking off the rough edges to make it more commercial ala Nirvana.

The only real dud is Stop! And it verges on embarrassing. Think of some dance punk band singing the theme for an afterschool special.

It is what it is. An indie band makes the jump to a major. Its more accessible, more polished and, in a nice change from most who make this jump, its really good.

punkengineer (July 10, 2007)

Man I loved Clarity, it really struck me weird when I first heard it but it really grew on me over time. I'm not sure New Wave will have that effect, but 2 stars is a little to low.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

I'd also add The Weakerthans to that list with The Draft.

- JD

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

I don't think anyone has mentioned it thus far but with these last two albums Against Me! have sort of placed themselves in a in s space that exists as a post-punk of the epi-fat/no idea generations. The Draft have done something similar I'd say, except I think they did it better compared to this album.

- JD

maverick (July 10, 2007)

"haven't gotten my pre-order yet, i want that 7" !"

Did you order the vinyl? If so, it's been pushed back to a July 24 release date so you'll have to wait a few more weeks.

-Scott

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

I didn't even have to read the review.

Saw the reviewer's name and moved on.

asxyouxwish (July 10, 2007)

guys, you all just need to

Stop! Take some time to think, figure out what??s important to you.

baseball (July 10, 2007)

haven't gotten my pre-order yet, i want that 7" !

didn't like "White People.." very much but love "Full Sesh" so if the album leans more toward the latter then i'll be happy

Big_Guy (July 10, 2007)

I agree with this review completely aside from the fact (that I don't even care about) that they are complete sellouts, this album is boring. It's worse than the last one and that was pretty bad. There are only 10 songs, and only 4 of 10 that I would want to listen to again.

RiseAbove (July 10, 2007)

While this album isn't anything incredible it is a solid comeback from Clarity and deserves a better score than a 4. There are some good tracks on the album such as Up The Cuts, Trash Unreal, Americans Abroad, and Ocean and is worth a listen from old and new fans alike.

almightydanish (July 10, 2007)

It amazes me that Scott wastes so much time on this message board responding to the people who post here. You like the CD, some people don't. Big deal. Get over it. That's how things go. I guess AP doesn't keep you busy enough if you have time to come on here and bullshit with us.

Score is for the new Andrew WK album.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Really?

Scott, remember when we were at PNC Park watching the Cubs slaughter the Pirates (we still won the series fool!) and we both agreed that Justin should not write this review because we knew how predictable it would be?

I rarely find the time to read the reviews on this website anymore and I was highly anticipating someone like Aubin, Adam, or Chris taking their stab at this -- hopefully one of those muffins is in the oven cooking. I took a peek at the reviewer and the score before I went on and knew exactly how this would play out. I respect everyone's opinion on music, but to me this is exactly like a Transformers comic book nerd going to see the new live action movie expecting a script that stays true to the comics and the cartoon show. It's a Michael Bay film -- If you expected anything else of course you would be let down!

Many of the same criticisms made towards this album in the review can be applied to how it was written. No doubt that you were (are?) are huge Against Me! fan at one point and I'm sure you've listened to this several times grasping for some hope, but I can't feel that in your writing. It seems like you just took an easy way to describe the two-star rating glowing in the right column and complain about the band taking the next step in their career. The Bee Gees? R-Kelly? REALLY?

I'm not going to dissect your opinion, that's not fair. We each have our own and I respect that. I just think you listened to the wrong album.

I look forward to a positive review in the coming weeks.

- Kirby

p.s. -- Wow, I just re-read my comment here and I'm sorry if it comes off as kind of rude -- that's not really what I was going for.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

If you look at your 2006 top picks in your review section you have searching for a former clarity as one of your favorite albums because Against Me is doing something different. Douche Bag.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Hey, lets all write about how jealous we are.. Tom Gabel sucks because his music style has changed. Against Me sucks because I liked them when they wernt popular. Punk music is supposed to sound like crap, like they didnt put effort into recording.. overall i rate this album as bad because that makes me sound like im cool

asxyouxwish (July 10, 2007)

LOL HEY SCOTT!

U MAD?

Sir_Tam (July 10, 2007)

I am so afraid to listen to this album, its not out here for another 3 days....

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

GALLOWS>THIS CRAP-oldpunker-

mcgregor107 (July 10, 2007)

I can't believe you didn't like "Up The Cuts"!!!!!

Look at all of these defensive comments here too! Christ, it's a fucking pop CD. Get over yourselves..

jimbojones (July 10, 2007)

It sounds better then the first time i listened to it, but it just feels flat to me. For some reason i don't hear all that energy that was around in Eternal and Reinventing. I really wanted some acoustic songs on this album, i think thats truly where Against Me! come in to their own. It may grow on me, but at the moment, i'm disappointed.

tylerdurden8136 (July 10, 2007)

Stop, Piss and Vinegar, Animal, and the Ocean completely ruin what could have been a decent release.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Worst. Review. Ever.
Did he listen to the album once? it's different, we all knew it would be, but it still sounds amazing. Almost every track is good, my only criticism being that some can get annoying, for example 'stop'.
Even when he is complementing the band, he gets it wrong. "they don't know nothing about redemption..." is not even sung by tom, but by james.
A really poor review that he went into it wanting to hate.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Worst. Review. Ever.
Did he listen to the album once? it's different, we all knew it would be, but it still sounds amazing. Almost every track is good, my only criticism being that some can get annoying, for example 'stop'.
Even when he is complementing the band, he gets it wrong. "they don't know nothing about redemption..." is not even sung by tom, but by james.
A really poor review that he went into it wanting to hate.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

great review

colin (July 10, 2007)

tom gabel is a total hypocrite on this record. he talks about wishing for people to be out there responding to his message, asking if people are restless or fed up with media... when he already had those questions answered with the fans the band left behind. the lyrical content seems trivial because against me already "washed away new shores," as it were, but apparently that wasn't good enough or meaningful enough the first time around.

there's no real honesty in this album, and that's what tied a lot of people to the band in the first place. this is a pop charade of a mass of cluttered sound and is dismal as far as songwriting is concerned.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Also, Against Me do seem to have an excessive amount of lyrics about themselves and how they do things the right way... it doesn't seem very humble.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Reinventing Axl Rose is a truly amazing record. This record is OK but not great. 5 good songs, 3 alright songs, and 2 bad songs.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

This CD is okay. It isn't amazing, it isn't horrible. It has one really good song ( Thrash) , one really bad song (Animal) and a whole lot of "meh" songs in between.

I think a 2.5 / 5 or a 3 / 5 is about right, absolutely no more then that.

Eternal Cowboy will go down as their best full length, from the way things have progressed afterwords. I really liked Searching at first, but after all this time It seems like a bit of a minimaly interesting but catchy record.

Unlike others, I feel mostly the same away about Reinventing...

On the other hand, I still adore Eternal Cowboy after all this time.

booker_pee (July 10, 2007)

wow, nice attack review. this album doesn't deserve this kind of antagonism.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

this album is awful

on their last 2 albums the slower acoustic songs were their best yet there aren't any of them to save this utter shower of shite

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

It's a pretty good album. Ocean and Stop are my favourite tunes from it currently. Clarity took about 6 months to grow on me, so maybe I'll like this one a lot more down the road.

I thought all the criticisms in the review were valid though.

nocigar (July 10, 2007)

score is for the review, this album is great

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

fuck you guys this albums great. natural evolution of this band. hating this album is whats popular right now, i dont think anyone gave this album a chance without showing some bias towards it. if you want to hate the album your going to hate the album.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

So disappointing. It could have been so much better.

ConsolationPrizefighter (July 10, 2007)

I've been staring down this album trying to get myself to listen to it for a while now. So far my only opinion is that I really, really fucking hate the cover art.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

You guys better watch out, Warner Brothers hired an e-team to do damage control for Against Me. Seriously: http://www.totalassault.com/home.php

Right about nbow I sure could go for a band that plays loud and hard every night...

RondoMondo (July 10, 2007)

I like this cd. It's not as bad as everyone thinks, the music hasn't even changed that much.

superskabro (July 10, 2007)

This album isn't bad. Being a huge fan of ALL their other stuff, I must say it is a bit of let down. Tom Gabel has stopped writing vital songs that need to be written and has resigned himself to simply writing "meh" songs. His muse has left him and he is trying his best to find inspiration on his own. He needs to swallow his pride and admit that he wasn't ready for the success he was aiming for. I understand why he went with the Sire deal; he wanted to prove that he could. He wanted to score a victory "on the inside", not just in the underground. All I can say is "Come back Tom. We miss you."

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

no matter if you like the album or not, whinning about it just gives it more media making more people listen to it, and this is a shit load of whinning

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

This album is good. Fuck You

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

who is this band? are they against me or themselves? i don't get what they are saying.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

except dear you's actually a good album!

niveK82 (July 10, 2007)

This album is drawing the line in the sand here.

I bet the same comments would have been able to apply to Jawbreaker's 'Dear You' if message board bitching existed back then.

Anchors (July 10, 2007)

Posted by elephantdwarf on 2007-07-10 01:10:16
My Score:
scores for R. Kelly.

stevejonestherealbones (July 10, 2007)

i couldnt get past about the first half of the first song on the myspace stream. in fact, thats how i feel about most of their music. after i put the cd in, there is nothing that makes me want to keep listening.

except for searching for a former clarity, but thats cause it didnt open with a crap song

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

this album belongs with ted leos last album and gwen stefanis last album in a pile of failures that could have been worth a damn

maverick (July 10, 2007)

"How strange, the Alt Press staffers have come around on Against Me! now that their teeny rag is getting some more of that sweet WB ad dough. This is their worst album by far and it's funny that AP suddenly supports the band now that they're at their worst."

Funny, we've done big features on the band for both Cowboy and Clarity and put Tom on our Warped cover last year, along with plenty of other, smaller things over the past five years.

But you're totally right. I didn't like the band until Seymour Stein paid me to.

PS - Even at their worst, they're better than most.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

How strange, the Alt Press staffers have come around on Against Me! now that their teeny rag is getting some more of that sweet WB ad dough. This is their worst album by far and it's funny that AP suddenly supports the band now that they're at their worst.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Isn't Justin meant to be dead?

GlassPipeMurder (July 10, 2007)

I'm listening to the myspace stream right now...doesn't sound bad, i actually like most of it. i know plenty disagree with me, but the fact that this is on sire is still a detractor. ideals still matter no matter who you are, and all against me!'s bitching about the music industry is getting old. 98% of bands don't get to live off the music they create, and against me! seems to expect to be getting rich off punk rock.

defianceohioequalslove (July 10, 2007)

This review hit the nail on the head. Nice job Justin.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

score is for my loud neighbors above me.

Torgo (July 10, 2007)

I think this album ups the punx more than it ups the cuts.

But "Stop" is ridiculous. And not the good kind.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

against me! seems to have sadly become the biggest joke in punk. i s'pose we'll never know why they decided to "go for it", but maybe this is an example of what not to do. oh yeah, and anti-flag, a far inferior band had a much more impressive major label debut. somethin's wrong with that.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Isn't Justin meant to be dead?

ozmanx (July 10, 2007)

Against me

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Isn't Justin meant to be dead?

maverick (July 10, 2007)

""Slagging this record is just going to be the cool thing to do around here for six months or so. $20 says it will still be somewhere near the top of this site's year-end list."

7/10/07 6 months = 1/10/07. Mathematics say the Punknews staff would be uncool if they did that."


See, I was thinking of a metric six months, which is actually 4 1/2 when converted into standard...

Yeah, I need to get a calendar or something. But still, change 6 to 4 and my original statement still stands.

-Scott

skaboom (July 10, 2007)

Maybe I should say "think" once or twice more to emphasize my point, hah.

skaboom (July 10, 2007)

JonDaley - you really think Searching was "stellar"? I was agreeing with many of the things you said up until that point. I thought SFAFC was their worst. Thought it was a disjointed mess. New Wave isn't perfect, but I think AM took the best parts of their last two records and glossed it up with the larger recording budget to make a polished and solid record.

video_cognito (July 10, 2007)

I agree with the whole cliched, "Oh man, the way music is being talked about and categorized" theme. It's really sad. Besides Thrash Unreal and Up the Cuts, this is boring to me. It's blandly over-produced and blah.

I wanna see a Zeitgeist review.

Ollywood (July 10, 2007)

The review which could tear Punknews.com apart...

Martman (July 10, 2007)

I've had a copy of this cd for a couple of weeks now and sure it's a "rock" album but it has grown on me. The range of Tom's vocals(or lack of) leave something to be desired but hell, at least they're unique. I'm actually looking more forward to seeing the live show on the double disc when I go out and buy it tomorrow(yes I share files on the internet and usually buy the cd when it's available in the stores). All and all it'll probably grow on me some more...

elephantdwarf (July 10, 2007)

scores for R. Kelly.

elephantdwarf (July 10, 2007)

horrible.

coldwaffles (July 10, 2007)

for the record - well written review, but honestly, so many of your points come off twice as pretentious as the record.

but to your defense -

"Slagging this record is just going to be the cool thing to do around here for six months or so. $20 says it will still be somewhere near the top of this site's year-end list."

7/10/07 6 months = 1/10/07. Mathematics say the Punknews staff would be uncool if they did that.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

i agree with the review. couldn't have written it better myself.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Bobette's! Why I'm going right now!

SloaneDaley (July 10, 2007)

my poorly typed two cents

Seth_Uber_Alles (July 10, 2007)

The reviewer looked way too far into it. And comparing this to R. Kelly? Yeah...fuck off.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

How can you guys talk about this album, when there's an amazing sale going on at Bobette's! Yes, that's right! Bobette's! Where you can receive a bj and an ice cream cone for under 5 dollars! Go now!

SloaneDaley (July 10, 2007)

I think it was a shame that the band didn't put any softer acoustic numbers on this, it is one of their strengths. "Joy" was one of the major highlights fo the last album. This would make sense if they were tryings oem bold new direction but instead there isn;t really anything that innovative here. On their past efforts the duets were also highlights of their respective albums and this time it is really boring. From "Americans Abraod" I got the impression the band would go with a more sophisticated roots rock oriented approach maybe using that fancy studio money to have bells and whistles like more brass, maybe some lap steel or something but they really didn't do anything like that which is disappointing. That why I completeky agree that that sng sounds out of place. The band can't really be faulted for that but it would seem that would make for a more logical accessable approach. They only half succeed with their dance attempts over all this feel like the type of album that would be a sophmore slump after the stellar Searching.... Thats my two cents.

Dante3000 (July 10, 2007)

Hey Chris, hope you don't think I was reffering to your comment being immature. I just like how you basically just said you disagree with the review but Scott basically took a cheap shot at Justin.
Fact is, it's a pretty well written review. Does it mix the history of the band and their maneuvers as of late with the message of the music? Sure. But it'd be hard for anyone who has been a fan of this band for more than two years to do otherwise. Is it a shitty hack job about feeling personally betrayed by a band? No.
Chris knows that, Scott (by his own admission) obviously doesn't.
-Dante

maverick (July 10, 2007)

Sorry, meant to cut and paste some text. My last comment was in response to Chris' last comment.

-Scott

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Shock em'? You mean the shocker, you know, 2 in tha pink, one in the stink.

maverick (July 10, 2007)

Yeah, but it's obvious going into it that Justin didn't want to give this a good review anyway.

Not to mention he seriously compared "Ocean" to Trapped In The Fucking Closet. Talk about a terrible comparison -- there's not a hint of similarity between the two songs (not even in their narrative style, which is what Justin is saying they share). It's just a sensationalistic thing to write to get a rise out of people.

Slagging this record is just going to be the cool thing to do around here for six months or so. $20 says it will still be somewhere near the top of this site's year-end list.

-Scott

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Smell that fitness?! I do, rock em' and shock em' baby!

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

'What's with Tom's pattern of confused sexuality though? With Ocean and Searching For A Former Clarity off their last album, is that a gimmick or is that something that he's struggled with?"

---Well, he wouldn't hook up with that horny chick on their DVD, so maybe you're on to something, sir.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

The widow Jenkins! She fell down again!

sickboi (July 10, 2007)

Rich -

I bitched a little about it, but Justin is entitled to his opinion. And after some recent listens, I can understand how musically some people wouldn't like it. I happen to really enjoy it.

-chris

coldwaffles (July 10, 2007)

You really just WANT to hate the album. I call biased review.

coldwaffles (July 10, 2007)

It is really frustrating that no one really gets the point of White People.

Dante3000 (July 10, 2007)

I love that Chris basically said, "we disagree about the album, eh" and Scott went the, "UR SO DUM YOU TIPE LYKE DIS" approach.
The level of maturity is astounding.
-Dante
P.S. Boing.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Yes, Faygo Cola, 69 cents a bottle.

FuckYouOiOiOi (July 10, 2007)

you gotta listen to it high

Ollywood (July 10, 2007)

stop chorus="relax don't do it, when you want to go through it. Relax, don't do it, when you want to come"

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Don't you mean Faygo Cola

Vincent_M (July 10, 2007)

I don't know if the 4 is deserved, I'd say 6 is better...Up The Cuts, Thrash Unreal, White People For Peace and Piss & Vinegar are all really good, everything else, not so much.

What's with Tom's pattern of confused sexuality though? With Ocean and Searching For A Former Clarity off their last album, is that a gimmick or is that something that he's struggled with?

Amazingthemike (July 10, 2007)

I'm not even an Against Me! fan at all, but this album is better than the score given.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

I would like Neill Cawleys dick in my dong.
-FuckYouOiOiOi

sickboi (July 10, 2007)

i didn't post that. it's someone impersonating me, and if you'd like i can contact aubin about verifying the AP address.

We have a VERY strict privacy policy Colin, afraid we can't help you there...

-chris

fuzzy (July 10, 2007)

Colin-
I didn't see yours, so I didn't even know it was on deck.

-Justin

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Removed from the context of the band, there are certainly worse mainstream rock records.

the music is generally boring, and the lyrics are atrocious.

Anchors (July 10, 2007)

I listened to this album once, and at this point, I'm not sure if that number will ever increase. Take that as you will.

colin (July 10, 2007)

scott-

i didn't post that. it's someone impersonating me, and if you'd like i can contact aubin about verifying the AP address.

i mean, it's true, i think you don't have much integrity but i can't speak for the asshole part.

also, this review seems about right, although i liked mine better fuzzy mcgoverson.

-(the real) colin

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

My money was riding on Prince Fielder, but my boy just didn't come through...he'll be back.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

My interpretation of Justin's review:

OMG MY FAVURIT BAND BETRAYD ME SO I KANT LIKE THEM NO MORE


you just came across infinitely more childish than he did.

Albert_Belle (July 10, 2007)

Yeah, it started off slow, but the finish was good. AT&T Park sure isn't homerun friendly. Score is for the HR derby.

maverick (July 10, 2007)

"scott has proved time and time again that he is a complete and utter asshole who doesn't give a shit about integrity.
-colin"


This is totally true. I am a huge fucking sellout. Take a look at the gold-plated hovercraft in my driveway! Tom and I go hovercrafting on the weekends in the Hamptons. It's a great way to get away from it all.

-Scott

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

In more important news, anyone else see the homerun derby?

ozmanx (July 10, 2007)

Giving this an 8 because I only liked 8 songs out of the 10. Simple eh?

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Wiped my ass with a pinecone, then proceeded to eat it, tasted like catfish.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

scott has proved time and time again that he is a complete and utter asshole who doesn't give a shit about integrity.
-colin

GlassPipeMurder (July 10, 2007)

Ouch! I'm probably one of the few who hasn't downloaded the leaked version, but I really didn't like White People For Peace, both thematically and musically. Not sure if I will get this...score is for White People For Peace.

fuzzy (July 10, 2007)

Scott-
Thanks for the criticism. However, I did not once say anything about the band "betraying me" or anything of the sort.

The music is bland, the lyrics repetitive and tell stories we've all heard before from them. It's no longer interesting music coming from Tom and Company. I think that I explained my feelings about the musical substance really well and if you disagree then that's cool but don't act as if I wrote a review that belongs on some message board.

As a reviewer and editor for AltPress you should appreciate the idea of having an opinion on music. That's what this review is. If you don't agree, that's cool, I also think that Bad Religion is really boring and that Brand New's last two albums are really overrated (but yet still engaging and interesting). I know you don't share those opinions, but I'm not acting as if you're a complete asstard with ulterior motives for those feelings.

However, thanks for the criticism, I'll keep it in mind.

-Justin

i-type-poorly (July 10, 2007)

Is that Catclops?

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Oo! What a lovely tea party.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

I need to shave my balls.

Neill_Cawley (July 10, 2007)

I like six of 10 songs. I'll be nice and give it a 7.

-Neill Cawley
AIM-Longlivetheduck2

-Suck my dong, I have opinions also.

DarrenMcLeod (July 10, 2007)

still not sure where i stand on this album. some days i really like it, others i hate it.

maverick (July 10, 2007)

My interpretation of Justin's review:

OMG MY FAVURIT BAND BETRAYD ME SO I KANT LIKE THEM NO MORE

This record's great. The only duds are "Animal" and "Piss And Vinegar" (and someone on here posted a sped-up version of "Animal" the other day, which makes it much better). 8 great songs out of 10 equals 4 stars.

Get over yourselves, people. You have no say in what a band decides to do, so quit getting offended when they don't do what you personally want them to do. Unless you're willing to let Tom Gabel tail you for a week and point out anything he thinks is an error in judgment.

-Scott

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

thank god, but can you guys post my review next week?

SloaneDaley (July 10, 2007)

I mostly agree, thsi just isn't very good. "Thrash Unreal" & "Up the Cuts" are the best two things about this album. "Animal" is just gross. Here is to hoping the next one will be better.

legendarydoughnut (July 10, 2007)

I like it, took some growing time, but i like it, and i like it better than SFFC. However, despite knowing someone will flame me for saying this, i have to say that for the most part i can get by just fine with songs with crappy lyrics as long as the song sounds good to me, lyrics have only been a bonus to a good song to me, never a selling point or a means to dock an albums score, so with that said i stand firmly by my score. To each his own i guess

ibitchslappedyourmama (July 10, 2007)

glad I never got into this band

NotPatriotic (July 10, 2007)

Wrong

maverick (July 10, 2007)

Wrong.

-Scott

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

its no eternal cowboy but i can't stop listening to it/

etwiels88 (July 10, 2007)

I'd rather listen to this than Searching..

skaboom (July 10, 2007)

Well...I like it.

Albert_Belle (July 10, 2007)

Some people think cucumbers taste better pickled.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

petty, tom petty

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

no acoustic songs, but still petty rockin. catchy as fuck.

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

Thrash Unreal really is the only song worth anything on this album....

sickboi (July 10, 2007)

Justin and I are polar opposites on this. I absolutely love it. The hooks, the melodies, and even the lyrics. It's a rock record, and a damn fine one.

-chris

Anonymous (July 10, 2007)

do girls like a lot of body hair on guys?

kingofsuck (July 9, 2007)

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