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NOFX: 'They've Actually Gotten Worse Live!''They've Actually Gotten Worse Live!' (2007)
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Sequels: They're never quite as good as the originals, are they? And for a band as (un)reliable as NOFX, who are as close to the mentally superior as they are to the mentally challenged (sometimes at the same time), and who don't have to release a contract filler (like most live albums), "They Actua.
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Sequels: They're never quite as good as the originals, are they? And for a band as (un)reliable as NOFX, who are as close to the mentally superior as they are to the mentally challenged (sometimes at the same time), and who don't have to release a contract filler (like most live albums), "They Actually Gotten Worse Live!" could seem almost pointless.

Also, most live albums tend to serve as a sort of 'best of,' but with lots of mistakes (if they're honest. If they're not, they re-dub everything), and a crowd soundtrack. So since they've already put one live album out, "They've Actually Gotten Worse Live!" is a really a second 'best of.'

But, this isn't a waste, oh no. Apart from the inane live banter, this is a fine album. A fantastic sound with the levels of guitars, vocals and drums sound good, including a decent amount of crowd in the mix. Their performance, despite claims of being wankered, seems to hit most of the right chords, drums and harmonies.

It serves reminders to you that NOFX can write some bloody great songs, yet so many of them are ignored. "Lori Meyers," "Franco Un-American" or "Murder the Government" all remind you that it isn't just about "Bob."

The band has written enough such songs not to have to repeat any of the ones on their first live album. It could be forgotten that, outside what many consider their hallmark albums, NOFX never really lost their skill in creating deceptively intelligent West Coast pop-punk songs with, sometimes, insightful and great lyrics.

The sad thing about this album is that it could also serve as a reminder of how little NOFX have changed or experimented with their sound; so many of the songs could be from the first album or the last EP. A Bad Religion complex, perhaps?

But the worst, worst, worst, worst thing on the entire album, however, is not the banter. It is that they start to play "The Decline" -- one of the best-ever songs that vaguely resembles punk rock by an American band -- and fade it out after five minutes. They fade it out. The song that proves over everything that NOFX can be genius, and they fucking fade it out.

But it's sort of a fitting closer to another soild live album from a bunch of self-deprecating practical jokesters. And only NOFX would do something like that. Bless 'em.

 

 
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drbino (March 19, 2008)

A bit dissapointed in this album to be honest. The song selection is average, the banter just isn't funny and it really seems to highlight how little they've changed over the last 20 years. If you're looking for a great live punk album that won't be collecting dust on the shelf after 3 listens, go for 'I heard they suck live,' or pick up Lagwagon's Live In A Dive release. At least those guys are still funny.

aaron_07 (December 10, 2007)

this album does alright, probably wont stay in my stereo for as long as some of their previous records, but its alright.

"we all know George Bush is an imbocile, he loves dick but he hates homosexuals"

kpave (December 4, 2007)

"The sad thing about this album is that it could also serve as a reminder of how little NOFX have changed or experimented with their sound;"

true, true

BarleyPat (December 3, 2007)

Finally picked this up and have had time to digest it. Here's my addition to the shit-pile:

Overall: Piss poor song selection (w/ a few exceptions) made slightly more entertaining due to lyric changes and banter.

Glass War- not one of my favorites, mildly entertaining
You're Wrong/Franco- again, not my favorites, but funny w/ changes.
Scavenger type - good, but would rather hear Reeko
Parents - funny as hell as mentioned below.
Longest Line - awesome song, good live version
Happy Birthday - one of my favorites of their 1 minute or less songs. Really funny in this version
Eat the meek - good song, good version
Murder Gov/monosyllabic/Tim/pee - Ok
Stink out /Instant Crassic- stupid songs, waste of time
Alcoholic/Fuck the kids - entertaining
Juicehead - stupid song
Herb - entertaining, but would rather hear about 60 other songs
Lori Meyers - great song, great version
Indifferent Drum- not a favorite, but glad it was included - entertaining
I, Melvin - entertaining, but again, would rather hear other shit
Green Corn - one of my all time favorites, smoking live version
Whoops - meh
Stickin' in my Eye - classic, good version, but would rather hear a less common song of White trash (maybe she's gone)
The Decline - great fucking song, wish I was into anal. I mean vinyl.

GeorgeJungle (December 2, 2007)

Yet another user review ... Nobody will care reading the whole bunch of reviews that are already here, but i still wanna throw my own.

It's a great album to listen to, that's for sure. For everyone i believe, but mostly for NOFX fans.

The concept of not including any song from the 1st live record is both good and bad. Good from the band's point of view: you don't wanna be labeled as "the band that plays the Linoleum song", and you wanna show that you have other great songs. (Which is true). But from my listener point of view, i would have loved hearing the 2007 version of Linoleum. (If it's any different than the ones I heard live). Same thing for Bob, Moron Brothers, and so on. I have no regret not having The Brews, however! Never liked that song as much of the rest of the crowd!

The other important thing about that album is that the song choice isn't TOO great. I'm really happy of hearing The Longest Line, Stickin In My Eyes, and Lori Meyer, but instead of playing upbeat versions of Scavenger Type, You're Wrong and Oops I OD'ed (they're fun in the first place, but it's the same concept: slow original songs played fast), some songs are so better that these!

For those who might care i list a few songs I would have liked being on the album: Malachi Crunch, Liza and Louise, Please play this song on radio, Drugs are good, Leave It Alone, The Quass / Dying Degree, We Throw gazoline ..., It's my job to keep punk rock elite, Kids of the K-Hole, The Marxist Brothers. Especially that last one, it's one of the most original NOFX songs, a third millenium dub song it could be called.

Anyway, listen to the album, make your own idea, it's definitly something enjoyable, and it's still NOFX, that is enough said!

misterspike (November 30, 2007)

Feels like a complete show as opposed to bit cut and pasted from various nights (which, of course, it was). Yeah, the fadeout on "The Decline" sucks ... but it's not like it won't be available soon enough. I'll gladly pay a couple of bucks for that download

"We already got your money. Fuck y'all."

gunner (November 30, 2007)

From what I heard, Ryan Greene just kindof disappeared one day.. fat mike apparently owned half of motor studios.. and greene just left and is apparently in arizona or something now.. so that's why you see bill stevenson and jason livermore doing a lot of records at motor studios now as well as the blasting room.

Jon_the_Skafather (November 30, 2007)

you know...nofx has never really been a band that i expected much more than the same thing from them and i'm fine with that. same with bad religion. i enjoy it when they make little excursions but i don't expect much more than that.

android (November 29, 2007)

so, ccp_,why is it that fat mike is rich and you are not?

cpp_ (November 29, 2007)

Christe I hate NOFX their time passed so long ago. I swear I can fart a better melody then what fat mike can sing.

since94 (November 29, 2007)

The coloured NOFX live and Propagandhi vinly are on sale NOW

paulrulzdood (November 29, 2007)

uhh, yea "more betterness" is NUFAN's best album by a fucking landslide. "hard rock bottom", while not as strong, has some of the best songs they've ever penned.

I don't see how people think 'leche con carne' is their best album...the social commentary lyrics are a bit trite at times (c'mon, there's a song about the Waco texas thing) and tony's vocals were garbage back then, his voice and harmonies are way more impressive now as are his lyrics. the music is better now too, "soulmate" sounds like skate punk by numbers compared to their newer material.

Scruffy (November 29, 2007)

"Really? Have you heard the last three NUFAN albums? That, to me, is the dictionary-definition of "letdown."

-Scott"

Hard Rock Bottom blows away anything they did before it.

FuckYouOiOiOi (November 29, 2007)

and then having sex anally, i thought the asshole fell far from the tree
hangin out on the lawn with my chemical romance on

great shit.

DeadMilkMan (November 29, 2007)

I just noticed how many lyrical changes they make to "Parents These Days". Some funny shit in there.

tinner (November 28, 2007)

"I've almost convinced myself that No Use could make another great record if someone other than Ryan Greene produced it."

Ryan Greene isn`t producing their new one, Bill Stevenson and Jason Livermore are.
Whatever happened to Ryan Greene anyway?

ibitchslappedyourmama (November 28, 2007)

'I'll be over here waiting for the new No Use; they never disappoint.'

NUFAN sucks. that is all.

oh yea and i hope the NOFX club tour stops in colorado. I haven't seen them in a club ever and last time I saw them live was in 2002

FuckYouOiOiOi (November 28, 2007)

This record rules, its meant for NOFX fans. Most of these songs have some lyrics and vocal melodies changed up and the liner notes are great. So is the banter.

damo (November 28, 2007)

don't think NUFAN could write another decent album could they? last decent one was Making Friends

Gunner - the thing with live albums is that they are shit. You listen to them twice and that's it. However, best live album i've heard is Live at Kilburn National by Snuff

TheMarc (November 28, 2007)

I've almost convinced myself that No Use could make another great record if someone other than Ryan Greene produced it.

Score's for the crazy version of "Indifferent Drum"

EatTheMeek (November 28, 2007)

I'm still really, really pissed about the decline... I think that is so dickish... but, whatever. Green Corn and Whoops I OD'd almost made up for it... so I don't know...

But I really think I was one of the only people who thought Keep Them Confused was a great album. It is way difrerent, but I still think it was awesome.

inagreendase (November 28, 2007)

I actually like Hard Rock Bottom even though I haven't listened to it in like four or five years.

Keep Them Confused is so meh though.

I've heard that there's apparently a Jawbreaker reference or something on this album. Does anybody know what it is?

Not off the top of my head. It's gotta be pretty subtle and/or clever if it's there.

tlo (November 28, 2007)

My view on the fading out of Decline...

They're going to come out with it in a few months as a separate album and try to sell it for the same price as this one. People will get mad, and be like "wtf yo?" - then they'll be like "fine - we'll give the profits to the democratic presedential candidate (hillary)" and everyone will be like "fuck bush" and all will be well again.

also, wakka wakka! as mentioned before, great piece of banter there... also liked the new new happy bday song....although hitler ice cream is starting to get old.

gunner (November 28, 2007)

scott.. yeah i like them all.. b i can see why someone who liked older NUFAN would not like their newer stuff, if you're looking for the more aggressive (or if you've since grown out of really being into melodic punk in general). I admit I would love it if they did another Leche style record now that their talents are significantly better than they were even then.. but the songwriting is always top notch, at least in my book, and even as a fan of fast punk i don't mind the less aggressive way they've gone.

maverick (November 28, 2007)

"I guess if some of you like it then you're luckier than I. I'll be over here waiting for the new No Use; they never disappoint."

Really? Have you heard the last three NUFAN albums? That, to me, is the dictionary-definition of "letdown."

-Scott

salsashark (November 28, 2007)

I've heard that there's apparently a Jawbreaker reference or something on this album. Does anybody know what it is?

fallingupwards84 (November 28, 2007)

my favorite between-song banter is the.... "Did I say 'fuck AFI'?" "No, not you, fuckin Fozzie Bear over there... wacka wacka wacka"

score is for that

rob_rob (November 28, 2007)

can't stand how this album sounds.

DeadMilkMan (November 28, 2007)

I love NoFX. I loved this album. That is all.

tinner (November 28, 2007)

How many people get pissed off when they go to shows and the the band doesn`t play any old tracks. I love Nofx, they always throw in obscure tracks from ribbed or s&m. One of my favorite times seeing them in the not too distant past they played daze to daze and screaming for change. How awesome is that!? As for the complaint about not evolving/progressing, seriously, if you want that, go listen to Radiohead. The guys in Nofx are all 40, they`ve been playing this style for over 20 years, people love them because they sound like NOFX!!! I`m hoping the whole version of the decline turns up on the vinyl release!

everybirdsnest (November 28, 2007)

Is that the Gunner from MTS? If it is all the shit I talked about him giving up on MTS seems pretty tame compared to his comments about Nofx and Fat Mike. Oh ya, Much the Same should stop posting myspace messages about rando B/S or j ust get back together Im sick of get'em.

gunner (November 27, 2007)

I'm not pissed, just really disappointed that after looking forward to this record for a while, it turns out to be something I will probably never listen to again (and wanted to skip through on the first listen anyway).

Believe me, I know what to expect from a NOFX live show, I've seen them a number of times and always enjoyed it. It's not that I didn't want the stupid banter, or that I expected the album to consist of all my favorite songs.. just that almost the entire track list on this thing is what i would consider some of their worst material from the past few years, totally neglecting so much of their quality songwriting. Even with the idea that they didn't want to repeat tracks from I Heard They Suck Live (which was a great idea), there was a lot of amazing material available. And the drunk antics are usually funny.. on this recording, they forgot to be funny. So basically if you take your average NOFX show and remove all the good music and funny chatting, you're left with crap songs and awkward mumbling, and therefore this is an awful representation of the band.

As for Lori Meyers sounding very much like the original don't forget.. Fat Mike sings less than half of that, and it was one of the rare moments he was actually kindof getting it right.

I guess if some of you like it then you're luckier than I. I'll be over here waiting for the new No Use; they never disappoint.

Badger_Legion (November 27, 2007)

I love the dub version of Indifferent Drum and rock version of I, Mevin. They should have used those on Wolves.

brixtongunman (November 27, 2007)

I nearly shat myself with excitement when I heard the beginning of the Decline at the end of this record. When it faded out I wanted to fucking cry. major let down.

otherwise, a pretty great live record. can't wait to see these guys in March!

JTravolta (November 27, 2007)

the last time i saw nofx they played all of punk in drublic and closed with the decline. can't top that.

Dante3000 (November 27, 2007)

Not to defend NOFX (god knows I don't care, I mean they're not Against Me!) but with 6 releases since 2002, I don't care if it's original or not that's pretty fast output. Otherwise it's just two records in 5 years and that's still not awful.

As for:
and even then, half of Wolves were songs from the 7 inch of the month club. while i absolutely loved the 7 inches, it was very disappointing to see a lot of them reappear on the full length
You realize that was the point, right? To show people the process they go through recording an album. I'm pretty sure they stated from the get go they were doing that.
-Dante

http://www.punknews.org/article/10625

clamum (November 27, 2007)

"Who could be drunk with American beer anyway?"

Try drinking more than one or two you dumbass.

dev (November 27, 2007)

Fuck NOFX, is anyone ever going to review the new Streetlight? FACK!

FelixT (November 27, 2007)

I hope you realize that the "hey look at us, we're drunk and high" attitude is mostly a gimmick, right? While I have no doubt that they drink and do drugs, they're not half as drunk or high as they claim they are, and they just try to please impressionnable punk kids. Who could be drunk with American beer anyway? Even NOFX wouldn't manage it.

fallingupwards84 (November 27, 2007)

and even then, half of Wolves were songs from the 7 inch of the month club. while i absolutely loved the 7 inches, it was very disappointing to see a lot of them reappear on the full length

SumWon (November 27, 2007)

NOFX's 6 latest full lengths:

1. They've Actually Gotten Worse Live
2. Wolves in Wolves Clothing
3. The Greatest Songs...
4. War on Errorism
5. 45 or 46 Songs...
6. NOFX/Rancid split

Since 2002, 66% percent of their full-length records have consisted of unoriginal material (2 of which were comprised of old recordings). At least they were smart enough to keep Dinosaurs Will Die off this live album.

paulrulzdood (November 27, 2007)

what fallingupwards84 just said. yea.

its nofx live. they're drunk. they're funny to some, assholes and annoying to others. they play random songs. they don't give a fuck about the 'hits' or 'classics' and finally, they said before releasing this that they didn't want any of the songs from the first live record on this one. i think its great, reminds me of the last nofx show I went to last year.

if you want the hits and you want them to sound good, go listen to their greatest hits album on Epitaph. its studio recordings so you don't need to worry about banter or poor musicianship and its got all the played out songs you want to hear like Bob and linoleum and shit.

wallofyouth (November 27, 2007)

conclusion

wallofyouth (November 27, 2007)

first: "can't even manage to stay sober enough to get the timing right or sing without slurring."

but then: "but ultimately so close to the original there's not much point."

in conclursion: ?

fallingupwards84 (November 27, 2007)

wow Gunner is pissed off. its hard for me to believe that NOFX is your favorite band, yet you honestly expected them to put out a greatest-hits live record? How many NOFX shows have you been to? they ALWAYS play obscure short songs, and they never play all the hits. playing drunk and telling jokes between songs is what they do in real live performances, and its part of the reason why i love this band so much.

the kind of live record that you want them to release would be an absolute sham, because it wouldnt represent the reality of their live show. i say relax and stop taking the band so seriously.

fallingupwards84 (November 27, 2007)

maybe the people complaining should read the album title before they listen to it

comment of the day

trolley (November 27, 2007)

But the worst, worst, worst, worst thing on the entire album, however, is not the banter. It is that they start to play "The Decline" -- one of the best-ever songs that vaguely resembles punk rock by an American band -- and fade it out after five minutes. They fade it out. The song that proves over everything that NOFX can be genius, and they fucking fade it out.

I agree with this 100%...what an unbelievable disappointment.

My other complaint is that tracks 12 and 14 are in the wrong order. On the CD case they show 12 is "Instant Crassic" and 14 is "See Her Pee", but on the actual disc it's the other way around. Even stranger, they SHOULD be in the order that they say on the disc. If you swap those tracks in your playlist it flows properly, as opposed to how broken it sounds on the CD.

Toxic_Toast (November 27, 2007)

maybe the people complaining should read the album title before they listen to it

gunner (November 27, 2007)

Were we listening to the same CD? NOFX is arguably my favorite band of all time, but after one listen I can easily say I will never play more than the occasional track from this mess again. First off, about 2/3 of the songs chosen are garbage.. the cheesy 30 second songs that I always hate on their records. And of the few actual great songs they pick, Mike can't even manage to stay sober enough to get the timing right or sing without slurring. I understand that NOFX is a bit schizophrenic in their songwriting, and that my preference is for their serious musicianship that is so talented it makes up for all the goofy garbage they release, but thanks to bad song choices and too much alcohol/drug use, they've managed to churn out their second consecutive pile of garbage. The banter is, in fact, much worse than the average NOFX show (where they're actually funny some of the time) and can be summed up with "heeeey I'm drunk!" I can hear that at any college party in the world, thank you. And yes, the Decline fade-out is the absolute definition of "adding insult to injury" seeing as how that's probably the ONE song every NOFX fan desperately wants to hear played live, and they simply tease us with it.

The good moments, and they are few, can be found in the alternate versions of "slow songs played fast", though in all cases the originals are better. Also Lori Meyers with the Muffs singing her part is fun to hear but ultimately so close to the original there's not much point.

This is coming from a guy who will continue to love NOFX and never give up on them no matter how many bad albums they put out: don't waste your time. Here's hoping they've gotten the clowning out of their system for a while and that the next album gives us something of value.

paulrulzdood (November 27, 2007)

Oh and

"If you're listening to NOFX for musical experimentation, then you're listening to the wrong band"

yep.

paulrulzdood (November 27, 2007)

I'm getting this because I assume it will be funny. that's all I expect. its a fuckin NOFX live album. If you would have told me 10 years ago these dudes would still be around and touring and making albums, I'd laugh. NOFX rule and I love how they're outlasting any trends that try to kill the viability of skate punk..

Dante3000 (November 27, 2007)

exhibit a: this page lists 4 extra tracks. gotta be the decline. But it also looks like that pager combines a few of the songs to one track. But it's hard to tell because I've only listened to this in my car and the display face on my CD player is broken so they might be one track anyhow.
What I'm saying is, the Decline is rad and all but don't get your hopes up too much.
-Dante

bears_love_tacos (November 27, 2007)

exhibit a: this page lists 4 extra tracks. gotta be the decline.

fallingupwards84 (November 27, 2007)

Also, most live albums tend to serve as a sort of 'best of,' but with lots of mistakes (if they’re honest. If they’re not, they re-dub everything), and a crowd soundtrack. So since they’ve already put one live album out, "They’ve Actually Gotten Worse Live!" is a really a second 'best of.
this isn't even close to being a "best of"... most of their hit songs since the last live album aren't even on here. See Her Pee and I Melvin are best ofs?

i love the banter, i think that's what makes this album so great. most of the jokes are absolutely hilarious... the AFI one, Strawberry Hitler Ice Cream... the banter makes this cd

i'm pretty confident that The Decline will be on the double LP in full... why else would it be delayed, plus if its not on in full, thats not really enough music to fit on two LPs anyway

skankbook (November 27, 2007)

"The sad thing about this album is that it could also serve as a reminder of how little NOFX have changed or experimented with their sound"

If you're listening to NOFX for musical experimentation, then you're listening to the wrong band. Love them, of course, but I listen to them knowing what to expect, and I still like what they put out.

Jesus_H_Christ (November 27, 2007)

I think it was Dante who said something along the lines that they've become better musicians over the years yet they care a LOT less.

This record proves it.

fox82 (November 27, 2007)

I agree with some of what the reviewer says, however:

1) I think this record shows that NOFX have progressed a lot in their career. It features reggae/dub, ska, skate/punk, hardcore songs, from a wide selection of records. If you think their first record sounds like their last EP, you haven't been paying attention! They went from their hardcore/metal phase, to the Bad Religion worship, to their 90s skate/punk and ska, to the more politicised and varied sound of their last couple records... I think that shows in the song selection.

I guess it was a bit bold to not include any of their better-known songs featured on their first live record, but it somewhat shoes that you can take any 20odd random NOFX songs and get a pretty good set.

2) I too thought 'TEASE!' when the Decline faded out. Yes, we all know they play it live, all the way through. However, as the Double vinyl version hasn't shipped yet, perhaps it is to be a secret track in its entirety on that? But even if that's not the case, you might as well put the Decline ep on your playlist after this.

INDW (November 27, 2007)

they played the decline in full last time i saw them. i can actually see why they don't/didn't play it so often cos if you don't know it, it is a really really long song!

franko un-american is the reminder that this band can still put out some good tracks and maybe this album is designed to do the same thing but for me, it is unnecessary.

punk_rawk_show (November 27, 2007)

Yeh well it is NOFX, what would you expect with the whole decline thing, they are obviously going to be wankers haha and thats why we all love them

colin (November 27, 2007)

meh
never been a huge fan but i love a few of their albums

this however makes me glad i never paid to see them live

i was shooting wapred 2006 and realized halfway through the set i'd rather be in the shade than taking pictures and listening to their set.

jacknife737 (November 27, 2007)

"But I would have liked to hear more new stuff, as I think they've written better quality songs their last two albums."

Agree 100%.

GlassPipeMurder (November 27, 2007)

the re-workings of "We March to the Beat..." and "Whoops I OD'd" are the best stuff here. and it's nice to hear "Instant Crassic" without it fading out. But I would have liked to hear more new stuff, as I think they've written better quality songs their last two albums.

SloaneDaley (November 27, 2007)

I dunno does it count as a sequel if there is a trilogy? cuz Empire > A New Hope hands down

triggs (November 27, 2007)

yeah...fuck the fade out. Come on...they know everyone wants the whole thing too...

daff (November 27, 2007)

The album sounded great and I like all of their talking between songs, but I wouldn't have put half of those songs on it.

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