I think its really sad how these things are done. its an album review kids. its an honest opinion on how someone feels about an album. i happen to agree that this is a very well done album and that texas is the reason, far and chamberlain were all great bands as well. lets not fight kids. forget about the whole "emo" thing. its just good rock music. viva le revelutiones!!!

this album is neat. quite.

It's annoying how the most recent comment is pasted first here... I have to wade through the endless arguments before I realize I have to start from the bottom up to get intelligent comments... I would like to say that his albumn is my favorite release of the year. The vocals are so beautiful. While, it is not punk (what is on this site--moreover, who cares?) it is definitely a work of true craftsmanship. This band is just as good live as well.

As far as the "what came first" debate, who cares? Good music is good music. Whether it be Black Flag, Bad Religion, X, Saves the Day, Pulley, Lightnin' Hopkins, Guttermouth, Hank III, Desmond Dekker, Less than Jake, it doesn't matter. What's important is whether the bands are creating & playing good music. While history is an interesting topic, it certainly doesn't determine the quality of a song. And, being as this is a conversation about a review, it would help the credibility of the site to remain that way...

So... again, my opinion is that this ablumn is A . Tracks 1,3,4 and 12 are my favs... There's only one song that I skip over in the cd (i think it's track 5??)

May the open minded enjoy it...

Hm, is this last comment referring to my review? If so, please be more specific. And as for some of those people commenting here ... why don't you start your own messageboard? I've got a good name for it ... "boring discussions".

yr review styling is awful i hope you die. =] in a respectful manner of course

Thank you-oldpunker

that was cute oldpunker...

you're so adorable...

you're so old and punk, i just want to cuddle you...

jimi

Do us all a favor and do it anyway!!!!
oldpunker

"monkey breath," heh, heh, i liked that one, jimi.
"oldpunker," am i supposed to care that you claim to have "grown up" during the late '70s, when punk was "actually happening"? you obviously didn't grow up, because you now waste your time harassing people on web forums. man, if i were thirty-something years old (like you would add up to today) and were still posting things that i would have stopped saying my freshman year in high school i would just about have to shoot myself in the head...

yeah, we already went over that man...ska came before reggae...we know this...

Oldpunker cracks me up...he seems to have lost the caps lock key somewhere...and it's cool he was growing up during the late 70's...except I don't believe it...that would make him around 30 years old (give or take some years...he said he was 13 at the time...) and well...i'm sure someone who's around 30 wouldn't come on here and start swearing and name calling...if that's so, he's got a lot of growing up to do....or he's really insecure about his penis size (damnit, now i'm bashing, and I hate that...but still....he's got monkey breath...)

haha, i just used monkey breath as an insult...

oh, and to whoever said who cares about ska or this band...i do...i like ska...and i like this band...

Jimi

Hey boy who cried angel. Youre wrong about ska. Ska came before Reggae. Reggae is a derrivative of ska. Ska was came from a comination of 1960's american R&B and traditional Jamacain music.

Boo-hoo----oldpunker
stop hurting my feelings. I also dont plan on going anywhere until people(and i use that word with haste)stop wasting my time with your "i want people to think that i really know about punk attitude" that you portray. I was there when punk was actually happening ( 76'-79') i was 13 years old and dumb fucks such as yourself probably were still a thought in your dads dick so unless you were there and actually lived what was going on at the time................................ Fuck off!!!!!!1
oldpunker

what's the matter, "oldpunker," are you gonna cry? what the hell are you doing at this site, anyway? if you came here to waste other readers' time by throwing hissy-fits with your juvenile bullshit, www.opendiary.com might just be the site for you... "punk rock," whatever that might mean to you, might mean freedom, intelligence, and originality to some, myself included. how you came here with your big axl rose-esque ego is beyond my comprehension, but, all i can say is this: get out of here. you don't even have a real screen name, so you won't even be missed. just do us all a favor and leave. if you have to resort to such low-brow remarks as the ones that you've been using here as of late, then go buy the fucking puddle of mudd record, because your pea-sized brain obviously isn't cut out for understanding and appreciating the ideology of punk to begin with... your turn, jimi.

who gives a shit about ska? more importantly, who gives a shit about THIS BAND?

-mac.

Hey jimi,fuck you!!!!!
is that intelligent or shall i say,easy enough for you to understand. You must be a good friend of boywhosucksass
oldpunker

to the person who just commented about ska coming before reggae, right on! I was about to say the same thing...

oh, and Oldpunker..you really suck...name calling is for pussy's you fucking cunt...whoops...but still, please go away until you have something intelligent to say....

um, yeah, i think the album name "thriller" is stupid as well...

Jimi

This has nothing to do with the review cuz Ive never heard this band, but to the folks who were saying ska came from reggea, thats not right either. The progression goes: 1st wave ska, reggea, 2-tone, 3rd wave. Thats not even all that accurate cuz there were some other forms of music in there too, but I figured you folks prolly dont care that much. Why dont I shut up? ok.

Boywhosucksass.... If you need to convince yourself that you know more than me or that you are a better writer than me well ,whatever you need to do to get you thru the day.. But i can tell from what you have written that you really need some serious help for whatever problem you have.... You can do better than these weak ass comebacks....... Im waiting
oldpunker.

ooh! i felt that one! i felt it right here! (clutches chest in mock agony.) oh, stop hurting me, you anonymous nobodies! i'm "emo" now because i was thinking of a woman? rrriiight... oh, no! i just remembered that i'm supposed to spend some time with my girlfriend tonight! i better call that off, i might be "emo"! oh! my friend was gonna ask this girl to hang out with us! oh! can't do that, some moron on punknews might call him "emo"! uh, the last time i checked, thinking of a woman in the context that i used to create my screen name would make me "heterosexual," not "emo," whatever that entails. face it, "dude": "emo" is not a subculture, it never WILL be a subculture, and as far as a genre? ha! can you imagine, bands going around calling themselves "emo"? "emo" band no. 1: yeah, our name is (insert "emo-sounding" band name here) and we're emo! but, see, we're like sort of a cross between punk, and 'emo,' with some 'grunge' thrown in for good measure! buy our albums! jump on the bandwagon! we did! we used to be a ska band, too! think that lasted long enough for us to totally exploit the genre? hell no! we wanna be on trl and suck carson daly's cock!" (turns to fellow bandmates.) "actually, guys, i think 'nu-metal' would make us more money!" (band members throw off their black horn-rimmed glasses and sweaters, donning adidas and puma wear.) by the way, whoever responds to what i said about "emo" bands wearing black horn-rimmed glasses obviously can't see the comedy in a band stooping so low as to go out of their way to create some trendy image for themselves...

hey, "oldpunker," i am THREE TIMES the writer AND contain THREE TIMES the music knowledge that you have, and, uh, judging by your inane comments, i am THREE TIMES smarter than you. i mean, you can't even use the right form of "your," to start with, what makes you think that you would beat me in rhetoric, huh? keep trying, though, my friend, keep trying. oh, and i docked a point off of this album for the fact that new end original entitled it "thriller." that's just sad, when you have to rip off michael jackson. and to think that i even liked far...

Oh, and by the way,your still pathetic!!!!!!!!
oldpunker (your buddy)

Hello boywhosucksass its your buddy oldpunker ,and again i see you are having a problem with people who actually know more than you and therfore put you in your place. When will you learn. I thought you learned from you mistake with me..... Oops i guess not. ---oldpunker

Look, I know there was reggae, then ska, then punk. HOWEVER, since in the category "punk" you will find many things that would aslo be called "ska", this makes ska-punk a sub-genre of punk, that's why "punk" is added to the phrase "ska-punk". As for justifying your screen name, the fact that you were thinking of a woman when you wrote it makes it worse. Face it dude, you're emo. It's ok, man. So are a lot of really cool people, you just have to admit it, alright?

yeah, "ska a sub-genre of punk"? RRRiiight... seriously, i thought the same thing when i read that, whoever posted the message right before this one... ska did NOT come from punk, it was a form of reggae, so there. and uh, i don't claim that the word "emo" doesn't exist, i meant that it is A FUCKING CONVENIENT CRITIC'S TERM. if you ask any band who is labeled "emo," if they consider themselves to BE "emo," the answer will probably be "no," since REAL musicians and, uh, music FANS for that matter couldn't really give a flying fuck about labels... no one calls themselves "grunge" anymore, do they? don't think so. did they ever? don't think so, either. "emo" is just some handy term used by music critics to lump and pigeonhole bands into one type of music, however different or diverse they may be; no self-respecting artist would call themselves "emo." and, uh, let's see, what else... i'm "emo" because of my name? oooh, hurt me, hurt me! to tell you the truth, i was thinking of my fiancee at the time of creating my "fucking screen name," so that might explain more of why i chose such an "emo name." my god, you people make me laugh... and uh, being agnostic, i don't think that i would have a guardian angel, but hey! at least you tried, right? rrriiight...

Ska a sub-genre of punk?

Oh my...

captain beefheart is horrible, and so are you...you should go away...

and this group would still be awesome even if we had no idea who was in the band...they're no Far or especially Chamberlain (goddamn, that band rocked), but the songs are still incredible...

come on, admit it...the first time you heard lukewarm, you wet your pants...

oh wait, that was me..that song is reason enough alone to like it...

and jonah's voice is incredible...so much emotion...

Jimi

most overrated band of 2001. period. bloated hypemongers go home...and besides, what does the world REALLY need with some "false emo supergroup"?

perhaps the bedwetters who bought into the hype over this band should be well advised into purchasing something more worth their time. some captain beefheart, perhaps.

-mac.

Seriously, "emo doesn't exist"? Well it's a word isn't it? And i just typed it, so it obviously exists in some form. And, "theboywhocriedangel", I couldn't help but notice in another reveiw you made the comment about how "ska bands are tools of the devil". Well ska is just a sub-genre of punk just like emo. which, by the way, quite obviously exists. You're probably the most emo fucker on here. Look at your fucking screen name. What does that mean? Some kid who talks about having a guardian angel who isn't really there a bunch and then when he needs one, no guadian angel shows up? Is that what it's supposed to mean? Well boo-hoo. Go write a fucking song about it.

i wish people who go to the trouble of registering names like "theboywhocriedangel" would quit complaining about "emo's just a word and it doeswnt mean anything and none of the bands i listen to are emo." LOOK AT YOUR FREAKING SCREEN NAME. I dont care if its from a punk song or whatever, the fact that you picked those exact words will make 14 yr old "emo" girls fawn over you, and youre probably geling your hair right now thinking about how emo doesnt exist.

i really wish that people would stop going through life pretending that "emo" actually exists...

I never listened to Far, didn't really like Texas is the Reason although I bought their one LP, enjoy onelinedrawing, and absolutely love New End Original.. Gorgeous songs, alot of variety...definitely worth buying.

God lord, Far was fucking great...one of the only bands that have a metal type of sound going on that i ever got into to...of course, they also had the post-hardcore type influence going on, but man, jonah rocks....

One Line Drawing is also fucking great...

and oh my....Texas is the Reason was good too...

but Chamberlain...now THAT is one of the greatest indy rock bands ever...even their new stuff with the country type twang was excellent....Indiana represent!

so all in all...the band members in New End Original had a lot to live up to...every band listed there was awesome...

and well, New End Original is freaking awesome as well...pick up this release

Jimi

they dont sound like Far, but if you liked Far, this should be right up your alley. Good CD, and Weary Progress is an awesome song!