PunkVoter refocuses, plans for the future

Posted by adam on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 10:59 AM (EST)

With the Bush victory in the recent US presidential elections, the future of the PunkVoter organization has been in question. Last month members of the organization (including Jello Biafra, NOFX's Fat Mike, San Francisco supervisor Matt Gonzalez, The Frisk's Jesse Luscious and others) got together in San Francisco to decide the organization's next steps. According to the Alternative Tentacles website "After helping to get more 18-24s to the polls than ever before- and halting the steady slide in the % of youth voters- in November's national US elections- Punk Voter is switching our focus." The organization will concentrate on four areas in the immediate future, from AT:

Impending draft and encouraging Conscientious Objectors to register now before the draft occurs.
Protect Roe vs. Wade and related choice issues
Fight increased media consolidation and encourage media literacy.
Repair our Democracy- recountable, accessible touch screen machines, Instant Run-Off Voting, Public Financing, true Campaign Finance Reform, and on and on.

All of the details on how the group plans to "stay focused, fun-loving, and pissed!" can be found in Jesse Luscious' new guest column on the PunkVoter website.

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Someone (December 8, 2004)

Q: How many political punks does it take to change a light bulb? A: Political punks don't change anything...

Someone (December 8, 2004)

oh, look out!

SteveJonesTheRealBones (December 8, 2004)

that was good. - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Someone (December 8, 2004)

they bring awareness to their fans

Skanknsmile (December 8, 2004)

way to rip off an operation: cliff calvin song

crossfiyaaa (December 8, 2004)

obligatory "NO ITS A DILLINGER 4 SONG GEEZ!!!!" OP:CC did it first. hi skanknsmile, it's clashcityrocker from the AM! boards.

pwfanatic (December 8, 2004)

what the fuck do they mean by "true" campaign finance reform? if they honestly think they can do anything about that then these punks are a bit disillusioned. when money flows with the ease of water, it will find the smallest crack and burst the damn open. mccain/feingold gave a noble effort, but its a dead platform.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

you mean the "dam"?

pwfanatic (December 8, 2004)

heh. yeah, my mistake.

Someone (December 9, 2004)

no problemo dude

LushJ (December 8, 2004)

Right. Give up before you start. Campaign finance reform has a lot of broad-based support across the political spectrum. It's the politicians who are in charge of passing the laws who have the most to lose and the most personal opposition to actual campaign finance reform. More later.

pwfanatic (December 8, 2004)

thats the point though. they already have started, and failed miserably. FECA did absolutely nothing when the supreme court killed it and with mccain/feingold, i give the system a couple of years to find a loophole around the soft money ban.

Jon_the_Skafather (December 8, 2004)

you know, for as much as i'm in favor of finance reform...it seems to be on the same level of fighting as internet piracy is....you find a way to keep them back and they find a loophole or a new hack to get through again. i'd love to see a finance reform that was as tight as a dolphin's ass but no mainstream politician would ever let that pass and they would make sure to have their lawyers all over it.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

turkey and swiss. on rye.

Shindo (adam) (December 8, 2004)

The fact that people have so abused and misused the sandwich joke just saddens me. We had something beautiful once people! Now it's dead! -adam

Someone (December 8, 2004)

i'm finishing my coffee.

Shindo (adam) (December 8, 2004)

well I can't argue with that excuse. I use it myself more often than not. -adam

CrookedSuperhero (December 8, 2004)

A-ha, you didn't put a capital on your sentence. Your banned.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

His banned what?

CrookedSuperhero (December 8, 2004)

You.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Zing.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

enjoying my coffee

Someone (December 8, 2004)

this affects us all man

Someone (December 8, 2004)

you know, that comment was funny the first 382038202093 times it was used, but seriously, enough already!

Someone (December 8, 2004)

4 more years bitches!!!

Someone (December 8, 2004)

4 More wars you mean.

KeithyBoBeefy (December 9, 2004)

SEPTEMBER 11th dipshit. What do you suggest we do? Go fucking drop dead tool.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

What punk bands do you listen to and why??

colin (December 8, 2004)

you know, i hate george bush and i am glad fat mike is doing something with punk voter now instead of just dropping it. BUT does no one realize that the democrats started the bill for a draft? it was defeated in congress, but was started by two democrats because right now as it stands rich conservatives have no reason to join the army- they don't need anyone to help pay for their college education, chances are they have trust funds. hence, the draft is created to target them. i just wish that some of these places (i know bright eyes is pushing the anti-draft stuff too) would do some research first. on top of that, if you get drafted, just say you're gay and you'll be all set, they seem to kick out all the gays.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Y'know, Punkvoter isn't a specifically democratic organization. It's a liberal one.

SteveJonesTheRealBones (December 8, 2004)

but they are soooooo liberal, that it is basically the same thing, or at least was during the last election, and will be most likely during the next - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Wait who's liberal? The democratic party? Are you fucking nuts?

SteveJonesTheRealBones (December 8, 2004)

you just dont understand man. he was saying they dont specifically have a party platform and that they are just "liberal" . there you go. you nutcase. just kidding man, youre allright - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Someone (December 8, 2004)

I don't understand, are you claiming they're actually democrats? Are you claiming democrats are super liberal? You're not really making any sense.

SteveJonesTheRealBones (December 8, 2004)

i think yure talking to the wrong guy. read what the person wrote who i am responding to - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Someone (December 8, 2004)

my article on liberal and conservative http://illusionalreality.com/friendsoffire/modules.php?name=News& file=article&sid=249&mode=&order=0&thold=0

Aubin (December 8, 2004)

Didn't you listen to the Jello/Melvins record? If you claim you're gay and you're not, they can use the plethysmograph to check. In all seriousness, you're right about the Democrats proposing the draft, but they were well aware it would not pass. The purpose was to put the issue on the table and force Bush to either admit that plans existed for one, or force a public denial during the presidential campaign.

SOYBOMB (December 8, 2004)

Well, I sure do bet they'd kick you out if you made a pass at your Commanding Officer. Though it would suck to go to bed that night, especially considering the beating you'd probably get from those crazy folks who came all the way from those Red States. Peace, -SOYBOMB-

Jon_the_Skafather (December 8, 2004)

nah, if you're already in, they'll just beat the shit ouf of you and everyone else will deny it.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

But it worked.. he DID publicly deny the draft.. it isn't going to happen.. this punkvoter FUD is getting a little old..

SteveJonesTheRealBones (December 8, 2004)

if thats the kind of logic democrats are using, then i cant believe people are actually supporting them - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

SethCohen (December 8, 2004)

Yeah, that logic is totally backwards. That is the kind of thing you would find in a high school election.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Then I'm glad I like teh shemales.

Someone (December 9, 2004)

No better yet, just say that you have "depression" or "bi-polar disorder". That'll scare them faster than a rocket launching, sandal wearing, trigger happy Iraqi!!

KeithyBoBeefy (December 9, 2004)

They'll be no draft. Too much money, too much time to train soldiers. Don't worry about it. fat Mike is a failure at lfie and NOFX sucks and punkvoter should just drop off the face of the earth and stop bitching because you failed at your mission.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Why Jello has anything to do with this is beyond me.....I guess he figures it's better than nothing. But this "punkvoter" thing is really too cutesy and tame to pose any real "threat" or change. They aren't pissing anyone off and the majority of the bands on their comps aren't even punk rock. I'm all for AT and Jello, and I think conservatives in general (both Republicans & Democrats) need to get a serious kick in the ass......but this certainly isn't it.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

So what do you have planned then?

Someone (December 8, 2004)

He's gonna go to Food Not Bombs and stand around with his Capitalist Casualties patch. -BSD

Someone (December 8, 2004)

You know assholes....just a thought, but instead of bitching and cutting some people down that are TRYING to do something, and have had some impact (you can argue amongst yourselves how big it was or how small it was, but it did exist), why don't you get off your ass and do something. At least these people are TRYING. Thats all that matters. Thats all you can really do. TRY to change things. When you stop trying you are just a useless lump of shit that is just in the way. So how about we stop bitching cause we didn't like their comps or think some of the bands/labels involved are annoying and at least be pleased that no matter what the political bent of this group is, or their faults may be, at least they are TRYING to do SOMETHING. I don't know kids, just a fucking thought.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

cos obviously you cant do both. I put effort into a third party, the libertarian party while punkvoter put effort into john kerry who, when it comes down to it, in many areas was as evil as bush and in some areas even worse. I still think punk voter totally boned that one.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

I think if more punks were exposed to the Libertarian they would agree with a lot of it. Sure capitalism has a bad reputation, but I think the anti-government stance of the LP fits with the anti-authority/ anti-government sentiment in punk culture. A lot of punks actually believe in left wing economics, but I think a lot of them are so disgusted by right wing social positions that they run to the left (not that the right supports capitalism either).

Someone (December 8, 2004)

the libertarian party is awesome.

KB (December 9, 2004)

"You say I make no difference! At least I'm fucking trying! WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU DONE?!" -Minor Threat

Someone (July 14, 2005)

you are just a big fucking ass!!

Someone (December 8, 2004)

I dont know what they are talking about with the 18-24 year old age bracket, because thats shit. Every age group came out to vote more, the 18-24 came out less compared to every other age group so what the fuck are they talking about? If you look at 2000 compared to 2004 the actual percentage increase in 18-24 was less than every other age bracket, so good job Fat Mike you did absolutely nothing.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

What did you do?

Someone (December 8, 2004)

What the hell are you talking about? There was a substantial rise in the number of 18-24 year old voters- the percentage stayed approximately the same because of higher overall voter turnout.

blinkrules (December 8, 2004)

I voted for Bush, i'm so punk rock.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

No one answer to your flamebait, that's sad...

Someone (December 8, 2004)

ok first of all you suck if you voted for Bush, he's a liar! He's not helping anything by putting kids in the war. You will be drafted if you voted for Bush.

blinkrules (December 8, 2004)

this isnt the 1970's you hippie, there will be no draft. Bush never said anything about a draft.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Hey dumb fuck, he mentioned a draft in the 2nd debate, where he fumbled through stating there would be no draft. If you believe him then I advise you to not wait around for a draft, get it over with now and enlist and go kill or be killed... Bush is a pathological liar, why wouldn't he lie about a draft???

Someone (December 9, 2004)

blah...blah...blah....Why dont you just spit in the face of every battle hardened, road weary soldier that comes home. Just walk up to him/her and spit in their face. I am sure they would appreciate it. These "killers" arent crazy or insane individuals, but rather everyday thinking people much like yourself and I. You kids want to do something original? Why dont you go up to a soldier when they return and give them a hug. Take them to dinner, buy them something. Send their families a card. Get off your butts and quit slandering the name of every hard working and sacrificial life that these men and woman are putting on the line.

KeithyBoBeefy (December 9, 2004)

I full heartedly agree with you. A lot of you "punks" bitch and moan about the war, but your pussy asses are to afraid to do what the men are doing in Iraq. Fuck you all.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

what was second of all?

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Worst Username Ever. -Strewtho.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

I don't like Bush at all, but let's get real. There are three reasons the draft will not be reinstated in the foreseeable future. 1. We have plenty of reserves Bush can use to play war. 2. With all the modern technology involved in the armed forces it takes too long to train draftees, especially when morale would be so bad. 3. Supporting a draft would be political suicide for any Republican. Even the red-staters don't want to see a draft. When this came up for vote in the house only 2 congress people supported it, and they were both democrats. Roe v. Wade won't be overturned because the justices reaching the end of their careers tend to be conservatives, so if Bush gets his way all that will happen is conservatives replace conservatives and if Arlen Specter (a Republican) has his way none of the replacements will be pro life (or at least not to the extent of overturning

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Someone (December 8, 2004)

badnarik.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Too bad the LP can't find a real candidate instead of a nutjob who drives around without a license bitching about how zip codes are unconstitutional and talks about blowing up the U.N. (not that I disagree in principal) and letting convicts rot (almost literally) in jail. The party gives libertarians a bad name.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Fear didn't work in the election? Fear is the only thing Bush and Cheney had going for them when running this past election. ...Well, that and the Evangelical Christians who only came out to vote because they would rather two people of the same sex not be able to marry.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

1. Plenty of reserves? They just called up a bunch of peoples who are basically retired and have not done any sort of training since the 80's. They had a 55 year old grandma on there who joined the National Guard in the 60's so she could go to college. Now, at age 55+, she is getting called into duty. I can't rememeber the actual name they are called, but most of the people are 40+ and did their service. They just never officially retired. They never thought they would be called up again. If we have 60 year old grandmothers out fighting for us, that is a god-damned shame. They should be home baking cookies and spoiling grandkids, not sweeping the streets of Tikrit for a fucking bomber. I have a feeling that once more people like this get called up, the draft will look more and more imminent.

Matt81 (December 8, 2004)

The main reason i believe there won't be a draft is because i believe that the next conflict will be in Iran, and the belligerants (sp?) are going to be Iran and Israel. Not the US. We get Israel to do our bidding with the 102 F-16 fighter jets we just sent (namely to bomb the shit out of any suspected nuclear site that may constitute a threat) to them. Now i may just be drunk and horny, but I do not foresee the US taking any military action anytime soon unless it's situated in Iraq, where we're going to be for the next few decades. If for some reason we DO decide to invade a country, I can't see how there cannot be a draft and how many people (especially the Repubs) would vote for it. No one's gonna vote for a draft bill before the national elections are over. Nobody important especially. Now, as I mentioned before, I'm drunk and horny, and some hot irish girls just

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Someone (December 8, 2004)

Changes more than some shit like Food Not Bombs KC! -BSD

SteveJonesTheRealBones (December 8, 2004)

5. Release more mediocre CDs for 14 year olds to buy now, and blindly follow and bash all republicans, causing them to register democrat for the 2008 election but still NOT show up to vote and instead bitch alot on that tuesday in november four years from now on punknews.org - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Someone (December 8, 2004)

6. Sit around and do nothing and just bitch about how un-punk Punk voter is. OH WIAT. that's just your agenda. My bad.

SteveJonesTheRealBones (December 8, 2004)

how un punk ? when did i do this? i dont care how "punk" anyone thinks they are. your comment makes no sense.......which probably means you support punk voter - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Someone (December 8, 2004)

No it means I think your a lame ass fool with too much time and internet access on his hands who would probably be better off with a slug emmbedded in his dry wall surrounded by the remnants of his skull and brains. Just shut up already. You fucking never have anything of any use to say and your mere existence is an unnecessary weight on humanity. Unless you think someone may actually be impressed or intrigued by anything you say don’t fucking say it. So basically anything you may say, just don’t.

SteveJonesTheRealBones (December 8, 2004)

you crack me up seriously. what are you? 13? why do you read the shit i write? why do you get so angry so easily, most likely its because your stupid and are pissed because you realized your first commen made no sense. and now you are faced with the reality that you are a fool. but dont worry, like bsd, you are still young and might grow out of it. - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Not quite kiddo, I'm 22 and live in my own place and pay my own rent. You upset me cuz you're more likely than not 15 and live off of mommy and daddy and therefore have no reason to exist and by the way it's comment not "commen".

Someone (December 8, 2004)

As an impartial observer, I would like to say that Jones sounds like the immature 14 year old. That's probably why he made the comment in the first place. Probably just mad he didn't make enough money mowing lawns this summer to afford all those CDs Fat will be releasing soon to his demographic. That demographic being the angry, white, technologicallly advanced, suburban rich kid, with way too much time on his hands.

SteveJonesTheRealBones (December 8, 2004)

so the immature one is the one who is calm and doesnt explode into a rant at the first thing he sees? also, let me get this straight, i am pissed that i didnt make enough money mowing lawns to afford the cds which will be released to my demographic? my demographic as you said is "suburban rich kid". so i am supposed to be mad because i am a suburban rich kid who cant afford a ten dollar cd? - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

SteveJonesTheRealBones (December 8, 2004)

haha, so now your correcting a "typo" as if it were a mistake and i think comment is spelled without a "t". seriously, you are too funny. whats even more funny is that you correct my typo, but spell "because" as "cuz". and the funniest thing is that you are 22, which means you are too old to grow out of your foolish stage and thats just how youre going to be the rest of your life. and no i'm not 15. i'm a year older than you, so dont bitch to me about paying your rent, thats what adults do. - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Someone (December 8, 2004)

what stage is that el bones the stage stage of giving a crap about the state of our nation? Or that stage of thinking that what you say is pretty much lame dribble?

SteveJonesTheRealBones (December 8, 2004)

well, none of the replies to my comment had anything to do with the state of our nation, and they were too heated and pissed off to just be from someone that dismisses my comments as "lame dribble" soooooooooo..........niether - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Jones this is what I like about you. You assume. Look at my past comments. Do any of them have all capital letters? For that matter do any of them have any exclamation points after the sentences? Nope. I’m not pissed off. You assume that because I said you should rid the human race of your existence that I’m pissed? Poor assumption. I’m not at all upset or even heated. In case you missed it, this is an online message board, the point of getting upset at someone on this thing is entirely pointless. Do I think you’d probably be better as a vague memory in some loved ones mind than as some jackass who spews forth inane dribble on a message board? Sure. But that doesn’t make me angry. Now if I met you and you fucked my mom and girlfriend in the ass while wrongfully reporting me for tax fraud, sure then I’d be upset. But as of

show rest of commentJones this is what I like about you. You assume. Look at my past comments. Do any of them have all capital letters? For that matter do any of them have any exclamation points after the sentences? Nope. I’m not pissed off. You assume that because I said you should rid the human race of your existence that I’m pissed? Poor assumption. I’m not at all upset or even heated. In case you missed it, this is an online message board, the point of getting upset at someone on this thing is entirely pointless. Do I think you’d probably be better as a vague memory in some loved ones mind than as some jackass who spews forth inane dribble on a message board? Sure. But that doesn’t make me angry. Now if I met you and you fucked my mom and girlfriend in the ass while wrongfully reporting me for tax fraud, sure then I’d be upset. But as of right now all you do is make me think that the lower end of humanity is obviously much lower than I though (probably an assumption on my part I’m sure you’re a wonderful human, right). And I’m not in any “Stage” as you call it. I’ve had stages, many, many ridiculous stages. But they were in those awkward years all kids have (for me that was about 10-19). Now I’m a young adult, who has a life and an existence he is quite pleased with. The fact that I think people like you are a waste of flesh is not a stage, that’s a simple life philosophy. And if you are 23 and do pay your own way (as you claim) how come you have all this wonderful time to post 3,000 (or however many) on this website? No friends? No real life? Or do you just think that what you have to say is all that important that you need to spend all your free time here posting? As for me? I got to run, I have to iron my suit for a meeting tonight because I’m a corporate whore. Bawhahaha.

SteveJonesTheRealBones (December 8, 2004)

nice little attempt to redeam yourself and sound calm....but i think the reason i thought or knew you were "pissed " or "upset" was because of this little comment you wrote, "You upset me cuz you're..." hmmmm. now where did i get the idea that you were upset/pissy/angry/whatever? so in the end, you realized you are being a lil pissy and wanted to pretend you werent.... i also like how you wrote that thing about capitol letters. like every angry person who types ALWAYS uses only caps. like they stop what they are doing . make sure the caps lock is on, then go on a rant. you silly bastard - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Just checking, but the words "you upset me cuz you're"...Were never written. You lose, and have been voted off the island.

SteveJonesTheRealBones (December 8, 2004)

wow. now you cant even read. its in the fifth reply to my original comment. now if that isnt you who wrote that, then i dont even know why youre replying to this stuff in the first place. but if it is you who wrote that, then you are going out of your way to keep proving that you are a fool. thanks - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Oh, and way not to answer the comments about why you have so much free time if you're self supported. Off to shine my shoes.

SteveJonesTheRealBones (December 8, 2004)

i go to school part time and work at night. i also have scholorships to help me with school. simple as that. most of this shit i write comes from like an hour here and there i haver free. - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Yes, yes, and yes.

blinkrules (December 8, 2004)

6. Howard Dean 2008

TheOneTrueBill (December 8, 2004)

Yyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw!!!

BizzleBrizzle (December 8, 2004)

He would have crushed Bush, you wanna know why? Americans would have actually had to think about the issues if Dean was running, and you wanna know why? Because Dean actually had beliefs and took stances, and outlined those beliefs. Kerry on the other hand just pissed around, the reason people voted for Bush was because he took a stance, they didn't give a shit about what kind he took.

Jon_the_Skafather (December 8, 2004)

and dean's term in office would have quite possibly been the least productive. .......and yet i still would have voted for him. haha. how i wait for the day when a candidate will jump the stands and start threatening the other person calling them a lying motherfucker.....i saw that in dean. so sad they had to choose a loser like john kerry....the dems were asking to lose.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

I'm still banking on the reason being famers afraid of dudes kissing dudes. It's gross, but I don't need to spend 2 bones on a gallon of gas for it.

thirtyseconds (December 8, 2004)

Anyone read the "On the trail of Bin Laden" article in the new National Geographic? They'll never find him, that's if he's still alive.

blinkrules (December 8, 2004)

they'll find bin laden

CrookedSuperhero (December 8, 2004)

No, they won't.

Jon_the_Skafather (December 8, 2004)

in order to do that, we could have to take over all the searching in pakistan and that won't happen. bin laden is as good as free in pakistan because most of the people there are on his side.......you saw the movie fight club, right? kind of the same deal except bin laden instead of tyler durden. the lower level people are all on bin laden's side. kinda like saudi arabia.

Toby_at_Fat (December 8, 2004)

Not that I really want to get involved in this thread, nor do I want to acknowledge most of the clowns that have commented, but all these post-election experts/critics beg the question. I think it was Minor Threat that asked it, "What the fuck have you done?"

blinkrules (December 8, 2004)

you're a clown. Oh snap!!

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Shut the fuck up. -Strewtho.

CrookedSuperhero (December 8, 2004)

Actually, i think that was David Brent.

thirtyseconds (December 8, 2004)

I thought you had given up on us, Toby. I thought you had accepted not everyone supports punkvoter, and not everyone thinks we can make a difference on the scale punkvoter planned. Welcome back though.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

what the fuck did punkvoter do?

Toby_at_Fat (December 8, 2004)

Maybe absolutely nothing, I'd be fine to admit that. Although I think when you consider the fact that the site gets like 20 million hits a month, you have to admit that we must have reached a few people. At any rate, you didn't answer my question, and I've heard all the clever commentary. I'm serious when I personally invite your involvement and input to punkvoter as it's open to all who are interested. Apparently you have a lot of answers...but I have a sneaking suspicion that you ain't gonna do shit.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

I voted.. isn't that involvement? Isn't that the point? Can't say I didn't do shit, I expressed my opinion in the place it mattered most, the ballot box... You can scream all you want on websites, having guest speakers noone cares about ranting about being the "Party Party" with "Four more beers".. But when it boils down to it, the 20 million hits you guys get a month amounted to shit because very few of them voted, or voted differently then your propaganda machine was pushing.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

pwn3d.

LushJ (December 8, 2004)

I think voting is the least we can do. It only takes a few minutes every couple of years. So no, voting is not "the point" necessarily. If you can think about politics for more than 30 minutes every 2 years, then you should get "involved."

Someone (December 8, 2004)

punkvoter didn't do shit. go listen to your morrisey you fucking piece of garbage shitbag titfuck.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Toby, you rule!! Keep up the good work, don't let a bunch of posuers get you guys down... Most of these ignorant bush supportes have parents that are fat cat republicans, so they're just spewing garbage they hear from them at home, they have no clue.

Someone (December 9, 2004)

Do you have any idea when the new NUFAN record is coming out? -Chinatown

Someone (December 9, 2004)

I think we're going for May or June. The band is working on songs now and looking to go record early next year. I know it sounds like you have to wait forever, but we honestly try to get these things out as soon as we can...forgive us for the wait!

Someone (December 8, 2004)

I love this so much, because right after the election 90% of the douche bags on here said, "Now that Bush won Punk Voter will probably disappear for another four years till the next election when they can sell more shitty comps.” Now they’ve regrouped and are back with a new agenda and new plans for reform and all 90% of you can still say is “They wont do anything, they should vote for a third party instead of the two major evil parties.” Don’t get me wrong I love third parties and for everything but the presidential I voted third party BUT don’t you think pushing a third party president is a little ass backwards? Even if the third party wins the presidential seat they’d be dealing with the gridlock of a house and senate that’s 99.9% of the two parties (I believe there’s one independent in each, though that may not be true). So why not start from the ground up, t

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Someone (December 8, 2004)

Preach on, brother.

Hubitcherkokov (December 8, 2004)

Well I'm sure they'll be hopping on some other trend in four years. I'm calling the hardcore straightedge/vegetarian scene where everyone wears camo shorts, cross trainers, and their Elden Campbell jersey (although I'll just say Lebron James to keep up with the times).

Someone (December 8, 2004)

You know, compared to what the trend probably will be in four years your vision ain't all bad. -Dante

bassthoven (December 8, 2004)

just come to fuckin Canada and shut the fuck up. you will never make a difference, you are too far gone.FBI,CIA,USA,not OK

Someone (December 8, 2004)

good to hear punkvoter is still going to stay active

blinkrules (December 8, 2004)

good to hear that i will get to hear more Simple Plan. they rule

blinkrules (December 8, 2004)

I am smarter than Fat Mike. I voted for Bush. Fat Mike voted for Kerry. Think about it.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

You dumb bitch.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Intelligence means nothing. You could be a smart asshole or a dumb nice guy. Also, 99% of the world's population is probably smarter than you because you named yourself 'Blinkrules'.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Zing!

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Hey dipshit, Blink supports punk voter and dispises Bush... I advise changing your name to Toby Keith... Another word of advice, join the military now!!! You won't be missed here... http://members.boardhost.com/houstonscene/msg/196768.h tml

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Below this comment there will soon be roughly about 200 posts. Let the bitching begin!

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Looks like only one post... mine... and I'm not bitching... dumbass!

Someone (December 9, 2004)

I said soon, dumbass, and now there almost is about 200 posts below it. So i was right. I agree with your post below mine though.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

blinkrules, why don't you volunteer for the army a go to Iraq since you like Bush so much... Draft young Republicans.....I would support the draft if it was for young Republicans only.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Fuck yeah, now that's a cause to support...

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Those four areas of focus are great and all, but how about putting one more at the TOP of the list... work towards the IMPEACHMENT of Bush?!! Fuck, it's like shooting the feathers but not the bird with these guys...

Someone (December 8, 2004)

What has Bush done to warrant impeachment? Yeah, he sucks as a president, but has he committed any impeachable offences?

Someone (December 8, 2004)

well, if getting a blowjob from some fat whore is enough to warrant impeachment, then i'd say that going to war based on false pretenses, without so much as an apology afterwards is enough to get yourself impeached.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Exactly!

LushJ (December 8, 2004)

We're concentrating on systemic changes. That way, we can avoid future Dubyas hopefully (and in my opinion, future Kerrys). Before we were much more focused on specific, candidate-based changes. Hope that explains your question.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

I just looked at the Conservative punk site for the first time --- Who the fuck are those bands on that site!?!?!? Yeah Punk Voter's philiosophy is basically "everyone but bush" and wanted Kerry to win and they had some very good bands on their side---> Social Distortion, Descendents, Sick Of It All, Rise Against, Dead Kennedys, etc But just look at the bands on the left that are also Anti-Bush/Republican/Conservative that don't support the Democrats either ---> Propagandhi, Leftover Crack, D.O.A., TSOL, Discharge, Conflict, The Business, etc The thought that there are people here claiming to be punk and supporting bush is a joke. Punk Rock was founded on left-wing ideals and still is today. No wonder there are no "conservative" punk bands (well Skrewdriver is pretty anti-gay and pro-fascist). Christ, 3 of the Ramones were on the left. No matter Joey and Johnny never got along. your lives are a sham. Go listen to Bill O'Reily or something

blinkrules (December 8, 2004)

I voted for Bush and I listen to NOFX. I am now crying because my life is a sham.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Exactly. I'm guessing Punk Music is a part of your identity and who you are considering your visit a punknews site, yet your views on life (voting bush) are against everything punk rock stands for...

Someone (December 8, 2004)

oh man Bill O'Reily pisses me off so much. i watch that show to make myself angry before boxing.

SteveJonesTheRealBones (December 8, 2004)

oooooookkkkaaaaaaayyyyyyyy tough guy - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Someone (December 8, 2004)

he is an independant

bannedinCT (December 8, 2004)

Do you believe that?

Someone (December 8, 2004)

punk rock was NOT founded on left-wing ideals.. it was founded on anarchist and anti-capitolist ideals.. there is a huuuuuge difference..

Someone (December 8, 2004)

but those are still left-wing ideals, albeit extremely to the left

Someone (December 8, 2004)

umm those are extreme left views

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Punk rock wasn't formed with political ideals at all. Unless you count "Sent to spy on a Cuban talent show..." as some deep political statement. It was a musical statement. So, sure. The shitheads can make music, too. -BSD

BizzleBrizzle (December 8, 2004)

There is going to be no draft you fucking retards. The draft bill in congress was started by a fucking democrat. Way to force all punks to be pro-choice... The last two are fine with me.

blinkrules (December 8, 2004)

seriously hippies suck. there isn't going to be a draft.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

"The draft bill in congress was started by a fucking democrat" i think someone needs to say this... AGAIN

Someone (December 8, 2004)

well obviously not enough people realize it, because i hear about this bogus draft reinstatement threat all the time

Someone (December 8, 2004)

It was started as an anti war bill...do some homework you fucking idiots.

LushJ (December 8, 2004)

The Democrat introduced the bill not to re-instate the draft but to make a point about the inequities involved in whose kids are fighting and dying and whose kids aren't. How many more times can you repeat only half of the truth? See my more extensive post further down this thread for more on the draft issue.

BizzleBrizzle (December 8, 2004)

The same ammount of times that Fat Mike can! ZING! I knew that, but what if it had passed? Would you hail that democrat as a hero? God cunts like you that support this two party bullshit piss me off.

LushJ (December 8, 2004)

It had no chance of passing when he introduced it, and he knew it. He's not pro-draft, that was the whole point of him introducing the bill in the first place. As for supporting the two party system, I don't. I support the promise of our Constitution and the attempts to have a fully functioning democracy in the US. I've been a registered Green Party voter since 1992. I support a multi-party system, and I completely agree that the current 2-party stranglehold on national politics is stopping our system from working properly.

BizzleBrizzle (December 8, 2004)

But by supporting Punk Voter's bullshit, you're supporting the two party system. By buying Fat Mike's bullshit lie about lesser of two evils, you sell yourself out.

LushJ (December 8, 2004)

I already answered your question/statement. I'm not sure why you're repeating it. Punkvoter encompasses a wide variety of leftists, liberals, and various other breeds of discontented folks. A lot of us, me included, don't see working under the Punkvoter banner as endorsing the broken 2-party system. I see this as a way to make it a multi-party system (see my first reply to your question). If you're talking about the question of changing our world by working within the system as opposed to working outside of the system, that's a little simplistic considering "the system" is almost all-encompassing. But your point is taken, and I've made a choice that the underpinnings of the system- the Constitution and the promise of freedom that it encompasses- is something I'm in favor of.

BizzleBrizzle (December 8, 2004)

My point is that supporting Kerry as the lesser of two evils is crap.

LushJ (December 8, 2004)

I agree. My point is that there's a lot of people in PV who also agree.

BizzleBrizzle (December 9, 2004)

Who? Propagandhi quit... The only other guy I know is Russ Rankin, can you give me a list of the internal dissenters within punkvoter?

LushJ (December 9, 2004)

Read the statement of what PV stands for and the issues PV supports working with. Nowhere in there does it say "oh yeah, and we all think the Democrat/Republican stranglehold on our national political system is really cool." Jello's a Green like me, and I've no doubt that there's a lot of other Greens, Decline-To-States (the California classification for people who choose not to list their political affiliation), independents, Libertarians, Peace And Freedoms, and other 3rd Party members. You'd have to ask the Department of Homeland Security for a dossier of all of our political registrations, I don't have government clearance. Um, that last line is mostly a joke.

blinkrules (December 8, 2004)

she brings me mexican food from sombrero just because, yeah just because

Someone (December 8, 2004)

I'm going to reiterate my point again, here you go! Hey dipshit, Blink supports punk voter and despises Bush... I advise changing your name to Toby Keith... Another word of advice, join the military now!!! You won't be missed here... http://members.boardhost.com/houstonscene/msg/196768.html

SteveJonesTheRealBones (December 8, 2004)

just curious, would you people actually vote for H Clinton in 2008? - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Someone (December 8, 2004)

No way in hell.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

The only person I'd vote for over Hilary is any black female (besides Condy Rice, she doesn't count) because they are even more oppressed by the man. You see, punk rock is about tolerance, but you wouldn't know that because you're probably a 12 year old who only does what mommy and daddy tell him to and lives in his rich, gated neighborhood. Go listen to your Skrewdriver. Up the punx forever oi oi oi! (I think I should get a prize because in one post I managed to 1. completely miss the point of punk, 2. question your age instead of addressing any issues, 3. accuse your parents of having money because you have access to a computer 4. accuse you of listening to music I don't like because I disagree with your point of view and 5. express my love for other races without actually having any black friends, have you ever noticed how hippy punks always seem to be in groups

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Someone (December 8, 2004)

Oops, I forgot to explain that "tolerance" actually means judging people based on their skin color or gender, but unlike "discrimination" and "bigotry," "tolerance" means hating all white males and loving everyone else rather than judging people on the content of their character.

SteveJonesTheRealBones (December 8, 2004)

that was a good post, even if it was written by a fuckin 13 year old anarchist communist who sucks cock. just kidding man, you're all right - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Someone (December 8, 2004)

but you're NOT ok Big Bones FAGGOT

SteveJonesTheRealBones (December 9, 2004)

that was pretty lame - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Depnds who else would run with here, and what her stance on the issue would be, and who would run against her. In the last election (2004) probably. But there's a million other people I'd vote for first, but they ussually don't get party backing. -Dante

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Absolutely Not. Hillary Clinton running in 2008 will not happen. She knows it along with nearly anyone who pays any attention to politics. Plus I imagine Bill would just slap her.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

It took a Clinton to clean up a Bush fuckup before, it'll take another Clinton to fix this Bush's fuckup as well! However, I still want Kerry to rerun as I think he had a good head on his shoulders and is smart enough to get the job done. Dean would be good as well, but the "too liberal" tag will bring him down first thing especially following 8 years of Jesus-land!

SteveJonesTheRealBones (December 9, 2004)

what did clinton clean up of bush? in fact, what did clinton ever even do? nothing. i mean he was far from bad, he was ok, but nothing special - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Kenjamin (December 9, 2004)

honestly thank you. Bush sr. was a pretty good president and so was clinton. end of story. I hate this fucking clinton worship.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Fuckin right I would vote for Hillary... Hillary or Obama in 2008!!

Someone (February 17, 2005)

I would vote for my ass before I would vote for Hillary or Kerry.

everytimeiwin (December 8, 2004)

Gay

MrStabone (December 8, 2004)

and i thought i couldn't stand punkvoter BEFORE the election.... at least they only had one goal there that i kinda agreed with, but this is too much.... vote libertarian...

Someone (December 8, 2004)

i voted for bandarik

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Screw libertarians they want to end welfare, vote for the Green party, Nadar rules... http://www.gp.org/

darkstarm (December 8, 2004)

Good lord people. "They didn't do shit, so fuck them, blah blah blah." Let the group stick around. Anyone at Fat got any exact numbers on how many people registered to vote at the PunkVoter shows? Or how many Anti-Bush comps were sold? All of those things have an effect. And if PunkVoter keeps this up for the next four years you're looking at an orginzation that will be a force to contend with in terms of vote mobilization and trying to get the right message out.

LushJ (December 8, 2004)

Thanks for the comments, the knee-jerk anti-PV ones are getting old though. Criticize all you want, but action is better than sitting around like a lump on a log, typing away your youth. I don't care what you believe (left-right-center-whatever), but I do think that being apathetic is the antithesis of the music scene I love. So go join conservativepunk, moderatepunk, start your own group, but don't just let life/politics happen TO you. I wanted to add 2 things to this thread. 1. PV was started as a broad-based liberal/left group, and a major attraction for participants like myself, a Green Party member, was the emphasis on issues and not on specific candidates. While PV veered towards highlighting the differences between Kerry and Bush towards the end of the campaign, it still stayed out of explicitly endorsing any candidate for legal and internal reasons. (If PV endorsed Kerry

show rest of commentThanks for the comments, the knee-jerk anti-PV ones are getting old though. Criticize all you want, but action is better than sitting around like a lump on a log, typing away your youth. I don't care what you believe (left-right-center-whatever), but I do think that being apathetic is the antithesis of the music scene I love. So go join conservativepunk, moderatepunk, start your own group, but don't just let life/politics happen TO you. I wanted to add 2 things to this thread. 1. PV was started as a broad-based liberal/left group, and a major attraction for participants like myself, a Green Party member, was the emphasis on issues and not on specific candidates. While PV veered towards highlighting the differences between Kerry and Bush towards the end of the campaign, it still stayed out of explicitly endorsing any candidate for legal and internal reasons. (If PV endorsed Kerry, I would've had to decide whether the other things PV was doing [aggressively re-inserting politics into youth music, registering voters] was worth being associated with a DNC Democrat who I have big problems with.) PV concentrating on these 4 issues makes me a lot happier. Even though they're drawn pretty much directly from the posted "Issues" on the PV page, the lack of a major voter registration push means we can really concentrate on these four now. 2. Regarding the draft and the comments about how it's not going to happen. The reality is this: the US military need bodies. It can't continue holding soldiers past their release dates forever for political, economic, and retention reasons. About the latter- who's going to join the National Guard if it is clear that the "2 weekends a month" they sign up for has a good chance of becoming "18 months in Baghdad"? A limited, skills-oriented draft will probably be first- perhaps focused on IT and medical ex-military personnel. After that is when many of you will be vulnerable to a more general draft. About the politics- the Democratic Representative who introduced the original draft bill did so to make a point about the inequity of who's fighting and who's not. He did not introduce it to actually re-instate the draft. If you believe the Bush Administration when they say they will not reinstitute the draft no matter what, then you probably believe that the Bush Administration doesn't tell lies about important things. That's fine, we disagree about the trustworthiness of them and we're not going to change each other's mind. The military situation- needing more personnel for an extended period of time- strongly suggests that this is one more instance where the Bush Administration's view is at odds with reality. Finally, educating kids about the options of CO status now, instead of when it's too late, is important.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Logic cuts through like a hot knife through butter. Course I could be just kissin ass here. No matter, I still think Punk Voter beats the 30,000 people who just sit around complaining about it doing nothing. -Dante.

Tahoejeff (December 8, 2004)

If the military is in such desparate need of bodies, why are they offering people in the Air Force a chance to get out early. Right now there is a massive re-shaping of the AF and they are letting a bunch of people get out. I would take the chance but unfortunately I don't have enough time in to get my full G.I. Bill benefits, and thats what I am here, college money. But believe me, if they are still letting us out once I am eligible...I will be a civilian once more. I am glad punkvoter is around to bring awareness to young people, but I think different issues could be focused on. I would have to think about it, and look into it more before I could give you those, but I really truly think that the draft issue is a little absurd.

bannedinCT (December 8, 2004)

maybe because they dont need air traffic controllers to occupy hostile towns...

Someone (December 8, 2004)

I disagree with on your point that the draft will be re-instated. The economic perspectives of Bush and his closest economic advisors, and even the opinion of most economists is that a draft would do nothing but hurt the economy even more. By having a draft, this would include drafting those will a high skill level inthe professional realm (i.e. potential doctors and such), ( As you stated a more simple draft focused on those not of this education level would probably take place first, and then a more general draft). By drafting these sorts of people, their potential contribution to the economy would be wasted by throwing them into the military. Basically it is about the benefits versus the cost, and most believe a draft will be too costly in this sense to implement. If things become of a absolute desperate nature, this might change, but as things are noe I sincerely doubt

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LushJ (December 8, 2004)

Hey, I hope y'all are right that there is no draft needed. But if we keep the troop levels the military say we need (they asked for another 12,000 last week through the Iraqi elections, right?), then something's going to have to change. Check out the links at http://www.objector.org/ccco/links.html - whether you're in the military, thinking about it, or just curious for more info than what you can get from 150+ comments on punknews.org. That's the site of the Central Committee for Conscientious Objectors, one of the major pro-CO organizations in the US. It's affiliated with the American Friends Service Committee (the Quakers).

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Just to get things straight.....there's a big difference between being a democrat and being a leftist or a liberal....some democrats may in fact be very leftist, but many aren't *cough* tipper gore *cough*. And yes, punk rock is deeply grounded in leftist politics....sure, right wing racist bullshit did heavily infilrate the scene from the start, but the best bands- Black Flag, Ramones, Dead Kennedys, Minor Threat, SS Decontrol, Reagan Youth, Fugazi, Bad Religion, The Damned, The Clash, The Dicks, 7 Seconds, Necros, DOA, Circle Jerks, Agent Orange, TSOL, etc. etc. were all anti-racism and at times almost radically leftist, which is really cool. And then look at the mostly shitty bands which supported racism and lame right wing bullshit- The Exploited, Skrewdriver, Fear (or so I've heard, not entirely positive on this one), and only a handful of others. Punk rock is a leftist idea

blinkrules (December 8, 2004)

"but the best bands- Black Flag, Ramones, Dead Kennedys, Minor Threat, SS Decontrol, Reagan Youth, Fugazi, Bad Religion, The Damned, The Clash, The Dicks, 7 Seconds, Necros, DOA, Circle Jerks, Agent Orange, TSOL," 10 scene points for you

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Fear are right-wing douchebags in the extreme, believe me, I've talked to them. Cocksparrer are also heavily right.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

and the Crass, can't forget the Crass..... and Aus- Rotten which are both in my opinion, damn good bands. Not that we should listen to a band's political views just because thier music kicks ass, but they also had some pretty awesome political ideals as well

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Just as a heads up....Jello Biafra never really supported John Kerry or many Democrats either...he seems to attack all conservative ideals, which can be both Democratic and Republican. Afterall, Jello was the person who railed against fake "liberal" Tipper Gore. Jello knows his shit, maybe Fat Mike is a hardcore Democrat, but I don't see Biafra calling himself a "democrat".....he's registered Green anyway.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

They just wanted that psycho redneck out of there, that's all. Bush is the epitome of what punk rock is against. I mean, Propagandhi was so close to being a punkvoter member and just look how much they despise both political parties. This just shows you how much people want Bush out of office. As a Green Party voter, I would have liked to have seen Kerry in there instead. At least Kerry was better with women's rights, civil liberties, the environment, etc

Someone (December 8, 2004)

great another four fucking years of fat mikes mindless bull shit

Someone (December 8, 2004)

the exploited never supported racism. Their singer Wattie before joining the band was just a shithead with fascist views. Nothing to do with the band mister someone

Someone (December 8, 2004)

way to fuck up the election guys....you LOSERS

Someone (December 8, 2004)

way to fail your country

Someone (December 8, 2004)

If it AIN'T hardcore, it ain't shit! STIGMA 2008

Someone (December 8, 2004)

We won you lost. Hahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahha hahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhaha hahhahahahhahahahhahahah

opivykid (December 8, 2004)

i bet your parents want you dead

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Bush won we all lost fucker

LushJ (December 8, 2004)

From the CCCO (Central Committee for Conscientious Objectors) website http://www.objector.org/: Millions of people are worried and scared about resumption of the draft. CCCO’s offices are getting lots of calls and visits to our tables from people concerned about the draft affecting themselves, their children and grandchildren. It is widely felt that neither presidential candidate will touch the draft issue before the election, but that a draft could come in the spring. The Bush regime wants one, two, three, many imperial wars to match its fiasco in Iraq – where will it get the troops without a draft? Kerry wants 40,000 more troops but has repeatedly criticized the “backdoor draft” (see below). Where will he get the troops? We at CCCO are opposed to resumption of a draft. The purpose of a draft is, and has always been, to

show rest of commentFrom the CCCO (Central Committee for Conscientious Objectors) website http://www.objector.org/: Millions of people are worried and scared about resumption of the draft. CCCO’s offices are getting lots of calls and visits to our tables from people concerned about the draft affecting themselves, their children and grandchildren. It is widely felt that neither presidential candidate will touch the draft issue before the election, but that a draft could come in the spring. The Bush regime wants one, two, three, many imperial wars to match its fiasco in Iraq – where will it get the troops without a draft? Kerry wants 40,000 more troops but has repeatedly criticized the “backdoor draft” (see below). Where will he get the troops? We at CCCO are opposed to resumption of a draft. The purpose of a draft is, and has always been, to serve an expanding militarism, and to provide cannon fodder to do that. Drafts have never existed to create fairness in society, but it is important to look at why some anti-war people are speaking for a draft, and also what "drafts" already exist. The draft bill HR 163, along with its Senate twin, S89, has been dormant in committee since the beginning of 2003. (It was brought for a vote on October 5 by the House Republican leadership, and voted down 402 - 2. This was the first time ever that a bill had been brought to the floor by people that were opposing it. The vote was a show, to persuade people that the Republicans had no intention of instituting a draft) These bills would “provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.” HR 163 was proposed by Charles Rangel of NY; John Conyers of Michigan is closely identified with it. Some other members of the Congressional Black Caucus are also co-sponsors, although many of the most activist members of the caucus, such as Barbara Lee, Maxine Waters, Major Owens and Bobby Rush have not endorsed it. This summer, Jesse Jackson, Jr. signed on as co-sponsor, but Eleanor Holmes Norton removed her co-sponsorship. Outside the Black Caucus, Pete Stark is a co-sponsor, as is Jim McDermott, the only Congress member who belongs to Veterans for Peace! These folks are not big supporters of Bush’s war policy. So what is going on? Rangel writes in a New Year’s Eve (2002-3) statement, “But as a combat veteran of the Korean conflict, I believe that if we are going to send our children to war, the governing principle must be that of shared sacrifice. Throughout much of our history, Americans have been asked to shoulder the burden of war equally. … I believe that if those calling for war knew that their children were likely to be required to serve - and to be placed in harm's way - there would be more caution and a greater willingness to work with the international community in dealing with Iraq. A renewed draft will help bring a greater appreciation of the consequences of decisions to go to war. Service in our nation's armed forces is no longer a common experience. A disproportionate number of the poor and members of minority groups make up the enlisted ranks of the military, while the most privileged Americans are underrepresented or absent."

Someone (December 8, 2004)

the fact that they legitamately think that there is going to be a draft makes them all look like idiots. punk voter is best off just calling it quits.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

ps - i voted bush. haha stupid dems

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Thanks Fat Mike your like Islamic fantaticism more propagandha for the masses - The Merry Prankster

Someone (December 8, 2004)

actually almost everything punkvoter has been saying, has been said for years by punk bands. You're just trying to make yourself feel good cause punk is against everything you stand for.

Someone (December 8, 2004)

This election was lost because of voter fraud and middle america being full of brain-washed, hyper-christian rednecks... You can't deny that Punk Voter made an impact, they raised awareness all over, if they hadn't nobody would bother leaving a comment about this news article..

Someone (December 9, 2004)

...stop crying you fucking pussy, just accept the fact that bush actually legitamately won this time. he didn't win because he is necessarily a good president, he won because john kerry sucked that bad. the democrats put up a shitty ass candidate. the dems did this to themselves. - R

Someone (December 8, 2004)

Pretty simple actually... well-known punk bands that support the LEFT (whether they're legends or suck really bad, here they are) TSOL Agent Orange SS Decontrol Reagan Youth The Dicks 7 Seconds Necros Black Flag Aus-Rotten Crass The Business The Clash Meteors Redskins Billy Bragg Penetration Poison Girls 3 Johns New Model Army Joolz Morgans Dead Kennedys Angelic Upstarts Patrick Fitzgerald New Town Neurotics Stiff Little Fingers Chelsea Chaos UK Chaotic Discord The Germs Notsensible Menace Red London MC5 Violaters Sham 69 The Damned Tom Robinson UK Subs Anti-Nowhere League Captain Sensible The Varukers Threats Riot Squad The Adicts The Fall Ruts Au Pais Chron Gen The Boys Iggy Pop Stranglers Cortinas Vice Squad Fugazi For chrissakes, 3 of the Ramones supported the left! Against All Authority Against Me! A.K.A.'s Alkaline Trio ALL Anti-Flag Ataris Audio Karate Authority Zero Auto Pilot Off Ava

show rest of commentPretty simple actually... well-known punk bands that support the LEFT (whether they're legends or suck really bad, here they are) TSOL Agent Orange SS Decontrol Reagan Youth The Dicks 7 Seconds Necros Black Flag Aus-Rotten Crass The Business The Clash Meteors Redskins Billy Bragg Penetration Poison Girls 3 Johns New Model Army Joolz Morgans Dead Kennedys Angelic Upstarts Patrick Fitzgerald New Town Neurotics Stiff Little Fingers Chelsea Chaos UK Chaotic Discord The Germs Notsensible Menace Red London MC5 Violaters Sham 69 The Damned Tom Robinson UK Subs Anti-Nowhere League Captain Sensible The Varukers Threats Riot Squad The Adicts The Fall Ruts Au Pais Chron Gen The Boys Iggy Pop Stranglers Cortinas Vice Squad Fugazi For chrissakes, 3 of the Ramones supported the left! Against All Authority Against Me! A.K.A.'s Alkaline Trio ALL Anti-Flag Ataris Audio Karate Authority Zero Auto Pilot Off Avail Avoid One Thing Bad Astronaut Bad Religion Bayside Behind Enemy Lines Big D and the Kids Table Bigwig Billy Bragg Blink 182 Bobot Adrenaline Bouncing Souls Bracket Break The Silence The Butchies Casualties Circle Jerks Citizen Fish The Code The Commercials Common Rider Dag Nasty Denali Descendents Destruction Made Simple Diesel Boy Dillinger Escape Plan Dillinger Four The Donnas The Donots Dropkick Murphys The Dwarves Enemy You Ensign Enzymes The Epoxies The Explosion Fabulous Disaster Fifteen Flatbush Flipsides Flogging Molly Foo Fighters Frenzal Rhomb Frisk The F-Up's Gamits Get Up Kids The Ghost God Awfuls Good Charlotte Good Riddance The Gossip Green Day H20 Hot Snakes Hot Water Music The (International) Noise Conspiracy Jawbreaker Juliette and the Licks Lagwagon Lawrence Arms Less Than Jake Limp Lot Six The Lunachicks Mad Caddies Madcap Maxeen Me First and the Gimme Gimmes The Mescalaros Mighty Mighty Bosstones Mike Watt Ministry Mudhoney Naked Aggression New Found Glory New Mexican Disaster Squad NOFX None More Black No Doubt No Use For A Name Offspring Only Crime Operation Ivy Paint It Black Pennywise Propagandhi Q And Not U Rancid Reputation Rise Against Rocket From The Crypt Rum Diary Rx Bandits Sick Of It All Sleater-Kinney Social Distortion Soviettes Straylight Run Strike Anywhere Strung Out Strychnine S.T.U.N. Subhumans Sugarcult Suicide Machines Sum 41 Swingin' Utters Tabula Rasa Ten Foot Pole Thought Riot Tilt Tool Toys That Kill Trans Am The Unseen Useless ID The Vacancy Wayne Kramer Western Addiction World/Inferno Friendship Society Yellowcard Youth Brigade nuff' said... conservatives, get lost...

joeg (December 8, 2004)

you're the biggest bullshitter on this site. bullshitter.

Someone (December 9, 2004)

sorry you feel so bummed out

Someone (December 9, 2004)

don't forget Propagandhi, Warsaw Pack, Leftover Crack, Randy, Butthole Surfers, SNFU, Tribe 8, The Melvins, The Mescaleros (joe strummer baby!!), GFK, I Spy and the Weakerthans

Someone (December 9, 2004)

Closet Monster, Bombs Over Providence, Action, A Global Threat, Subhumans, Cheap Sex, and the Ripcordz also are on the left

Someone (December 9, 2004)

Minor Threat wasn't listed either - Iain MacKaye was a huge leftie

ThriveToFailure (December 9, 2004)

This was just an excuse for you to name as many bands as possible in 60 seconds, right?

Someone (December 9, 2004)

he probably just copy pasted it. and if not, it definately took him more than 60 seconds to type it. - R

Someone (December 9, 2004)

Nope - well-known bands like Skrewdriver, Vision and Fear are right-wing and they werent mentioned. Bands like the Vandals, Screeching Weasel and MXPX are moderate/independent and they werent mentioned. Most of the emo bands and metalcore bands have not expressed their political views and they havent been mentioned in the list either, and then there are a lot of good bands that I don't even know what their political stance is

Someone (December 9, 2004)

i like how you threw in the "conservatives get lost" comment in there, as though in order to listen to a band you have to agree with their political views. - R

Someone (December 9, 2004)

he could have said "Nazi Punks fuck off"

Someone (December 9, 2004)

I would never in a million years listen to and support a so called conservative punk band...

Someone (December 9, 2004)

Suicide Machines, The Briefs and Sage Francis too

Someone (December 9, 2004)

Minor Threat wasn't listed either - Iain MacKaye was a huge leftie

Someone (December 9, 2004)

Bush won because old people voted for him and not enough young people voted against him.

SteveJonesTheRealBones (December 9, 2004)

thats you peoples problem. always voting against something, never voting for something - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

KB (December 9, 2004)

good call! I actually quoted that further up on the thread. Also, props for using the term "clowns" to describe them. I prefer calling people "assclowns" personally, but you get the point

KB (December 9, 2004)

whoops. Meant to respond to Toby's comment!

SteveJonesTheRealBones (December 9, 2004)

i love how people are listing bands to show how lame conservative thought is and how punk is so leftist in nature. well, your right about punk being leftist, and the term conservative punk is fucking stupid, but its still not a very good argument. it pretty much just is saying that punk music is very immature and not well thought out and for naive kids (punks) . anyway, i dont know why alot of you guys have a problem with BUSH. i mean, he is just like kerry. in fact, he hasnt done anything a democrat wouldnt have done except maybe the gay marriage ban. but i have a problem with bush, and i am the only one here who should i think. bush ISNT conservative enough. he is practically a fucking liberal faggot - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Someone (December 9, 2004)

What do you mean by "conservative"? If you mean supporting small government (i.e. reducing government spending), supporting states' rights and staying out of foreign conflicts, then Bush isn't "practically a fucking liberal faggot," he is one. Neo-cons are just liberals who love guns and hate homosexuality.

Someone (December 9, 2004)

I love it. The "impending draft"...hilarious old liberal scare tactics.

Someone (December 9, 2004)

plz post some good band someone not bad bands

Someone (July 14, 2005)

fuck you!