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Avail reissues on Jade Tree

Contributed by an Anonymous Source. Posted by brian on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 at 9:58 AM (EST)

Jade Tree will be remastering and rereleasing three albums from Avail; Dixie, 4AM Friday, and Over The James will all contain bonus tracks as well as a fresh coat of paint, sound-wise. The band, according to their website, is "no longer working with [Lookout! Records]." Release dates and tracklistings will be available soon.

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Someone (March 1, 2005)

Best band ever.

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Someone (March 3, 2005)

This band never really got the recognition they deserved.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

I saw them live the first night of their tour. amazing. They played for like and hour and 15 minutes

CorpseOfMyMotivation (March 1, 2005)

These guys are awesome live. They played the last great show at the Mason Jar (RIP).

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Someone (March 1, 2005)

that show was amazing

Someone (March 1, 2005)

Lookout loses yet another piece of their catalog. That was a pretty cool legacy you guys over on adeline squandered. Good work.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

Doesnt giving this band a 'fresh coat of paint, sound-wise' kinda defeat the purpose? Isn't that gritty southern feel part of their edge?

Someone (March 1, 2005)

mike wheres my one wrench?

sickboi (chris) (March 1, 2005)

I love Avail. And its cool to see these releases getting the proper treatment they deserve. Not to churn the rumor mill, but from what I've heard from at least 3 bands that have worked with Lookout!, they've turned into money-hungry pricks.

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sickboi (chris) (March 1, 2005)

Lookout!, not Avail, just to clarify.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

I've heard that as well. I just wish that more of their old bands would jump ship. I'd like to get ahold of a remastered Big Rig CD - and wouldn't it be great if the Downfall album finally saw the light of day?

TheOneTrueBill (March 1, 2005)

If the current trend resumes, then it'll never happen.

BizzleBrizzle (March 1, 2005)

I heard Lookout! sold themselves to a major.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

Lookout has been losing significant money for a long time now... that's why they moved offices and shut down their record store a few years ago. Being "money-hungry" is almost certainly in response to these problems, but being "pricks" is probably not necessary. Oh yeah, I used to work there, so this is accurate info.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

[From the same anonymous poster] Oh, and just for the record, Chris (new Lookout owner) is a really good guy, even if he can't run the label at a profit. I believe he means well.

LushJ (March 2, 2005)

Hey anonymous poster! How's it going? Who are you, did we work together there? He may be a nice guy, but what's the cut-off between bumbling incompetence and malicious neglect? 2 years? 5 years? 8 years? The royalty system has been limping along for many years, as have the other issues. For me, it's crossed the line to intentional neglect and incompetence. When they all were just inheiriting the company from Larry, that's one thing (even though they should've had their stuff together at that point). But that's almost a decade ago now. -Jesse (employee 1997-1999, band 1989-1997, pain in the ass 1999-2004)

Someone (March 1, 2005)

strange... it's only been *maybe* 7 years since 'over the james' came out right? usually reissues like this wait at least a decade... regardless, it was always a shock to me that these guys stayed on Lookout! as long as they did. Avail wipes their light beer off the floor with bands like Squirtgun and the Riverdales. I guess Ted Leo is now the "out of place" artist on Lookout! Anyways, great band, great albums, great guys. Usually I'd think "reissues are just for money" but if there's a band that deserves a little more than they're probably getting, it's Avail.

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pastepunk (March 1, 2005)

7 years among punk kids though is like at least three generations right?

Someone (March 1, 2005)

haha, yeah absolutely... i should have realized that i guess. that's what i get for not "conforming" to the new "indie dance rock emo whatever" thing that every label is putting out now. so sue me if i like "Can of Pork" with my Coors Light! as far as the Ted Leo being "out of place", I can't really think of a label he would be more in-synch with music-wise... maybe Doghouse? Jade Tree? No Idea?

Someone (March 1, 2005)

Yeah, you know, when Lookout put out "Tyranny of Distance" (their first release with Ted Leo) I was really excited. Lookout seemed to be doing something really cool and gutsy by incorporating a host of different stuff into their catalog: Ted Leo, Cleveland Bound Death Sentance, Pretty Girls Make Graves, Screeching Weasel, Black Cat Music, One Time Angels, American Steel, Common Rider, etc. But it seems like Ted Leo was the standout interms of popularity and they took that as a sign that they should go in a "new direction," and that seems to have failed them. It sucks to say it but in my mind they deserve it.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

From what I understand of the situation, the situation with these "re-issues" is a little complitcated: In the past few years Screeching Weasel, Blatz & Filth, The Groovie Ghoulies, Pansy Division and The Criminals have all pulled their back catalog from Lookout. I think Jeff Ott is probably gonna do the same for Fifteen. I guess the deal is that Lookout has been doing a pretty poor job of paying people what they are owed for their back-catalog sales. My guess is that's because the label has taken a hit lately, because they put out a lot of schlep. The only thing that makes Ted Leo "out of place" is that he's talented and that he's really the only thing making money. They've dumped a lot of capital into putting out bands that have that similar hipster thing going on but aren't any good (Evening, The Lashes, The Washdown, The Pattern, etc.), while they've alienated the kids who

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slippy (March 2, 2005)

I agree that all those hipster bands suck, except for The Washdown. They deserve some more attention.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

HOLY CRAP!!!!!

Someone (March 1, 2005)

What about Satiate?

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maverick (scott) (March 1, 2005)

Satiate was originally on another label before Lookout, so I'm assuming Lookout bought the rights to that one from the old label. Hence, they own it, not Avail. Or am I completely wrong here? -Scott

Someone (March 1, 2005)

I think it was released on Avail's own label - so they probably still hold the rights.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

Lookout! really seems to be dropping the ball lately. losing the S.W. catalog was bad enough but now Avail. they also don't seem to give a shit about the bands on their current roster unless they're Ted Leo. even bands that are no longer w/ the label get more attention then the current roster. i.e. The Donnas, Green Day... get your head out of your ass, Lookout!

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TheOneTrueBill (March 1, 2005)

The lost the Groovie Ghoulies too. Lookout has totaly turned their back on their roots, provided they sell less than 500,000 copies.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

and enemy you

LushJ (March 1, 2005)

I don't think any of their releases sell 500,000 (except the Green Day and Op Ivy back catalog, but they don't have anything to do with that at this point). I think 50,000 would be a huge record for Lookout at this point. 20,000 is probably as good as they're doing with Ted Leo per release. Maybe 30,000?

Inspection12e (March 1, 2005)

Ted Leo is selling atleast 100,000+. Atleast that's my guess.

LushJ (March 1, 2005)

You'd be surprised. MTX sold 50,000 records at their height. Media attention definitely does NOT translate directly into sales (though it helps!).

TheOneTrueBill (March 1, 2005)

The Donnas records will eventually get somewhere near there I think. Someone pointed it out before, but Lookout's email list always seems to have something about those two bands in it.

BizzleBrizzle (March 1, 2005)

Over The James has perfect sound quality. I bought it used and it was probably the greatest deal I've ever gotten.

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Someone (March 1, 2005)

They're probably just rereleasing it to rerelease it, since Lookout won't be pressing any more copies.

LushJ (March 1, 2005)

1. "Over The James" is incredible. That's the record that made me a believer. 2. Re Lookout: Ha ha ha ha, another one bites the dust. I'd heard that there was going to be legal action involved as well, perhaps that's going on in the background, or has already been settled. Sorry if I sound chipper, it's the chuckle of the damned. It'll be a sad day when Lookout closes its doors, even with the self-inflicted damage involved. I'm also very thankful not to be financially connected to them anymore, save a few compilations that don't sell. To be fair, when The Criminals finally took our record back (not that anyone else wanted it), Chrisser was very helpful in terms of the physical stock (50 LPs, no CDs) and the masters/art. The royalties owed was more difficult, not surprisingly, but even that came out pretty much alright. Of course, Lookout didn't owe our band much, our debt

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Someone (March 1, 2005)

For the first 5 years or so that I listened to punk Lookout was THE label (followed by Dr. Strange) but it seems like things have getting wierder and wierder over there since the mid-90s. Realizing that you're in the business and probably don't want to burn too many bridges, can you offer any insight into what exactly went wrong over at Lookout? Also, as someone who has done business with Lookout, do you know if the Downfall album really exists? And if Lookout goes down in a blaze of (in)glory will it ever see the light of day? Just curious! OC

LushJ (March 1, 2005)

1. The Downfall record, last I heard, was being remixed/was done being remixed (1999), and included a dub version of one of the tunes. I think Tim is too busy with other stuff to deal with it, and Lookout... I don't know. 2. I don't have any bridges to burn, my negative feelings about the state of Lookout over the past number of years is well known. Without going to far into it, I think they never really have gotten their shit together. Here's some of the unresolved problem areas: - the antiquated, convoluted royalty system - related systemic financial problems (some of which are just a symptom of being a small business) - repeated gaffes in employee management and band relations - missed opportunities (to sign bands, to repair broken systems) - betrayed expectations on the part of bands/staff/public A year or so ago, when they were in a fiscal crisis, I realized th

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Someone (March 1, 2005)

Thanks for the answer. It's hard to imagine a great label like Lookout being brought down by so many "little" things. Still, I guess that over time the little mistakes add up. Hopefully Adeline will continue to improve as a label and maybe fill the gap.... OC

LushJ (March 1, 2005)

Nope, Adeline's concentrating on clothing now. Left Off The Dial!!!

Someone (March 1, 2005)

Focusing on CLOTHING???!!!!?! What the hell is going on out there? At least Shotwell is apparently still around... and releasing anything by them is a big step in the right direction for LOTD.

TheOneTrueBill (March 1, 2005)

Are you being serious? I guess losing the soviettes will do some weird things do you.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

You might throw the Queers in there, I think they bailed. And of course Jeff Ott was himself posting nasty things on Lookouts message board, so you can add Crimpshrine and Fifteen. Sad state of affairs...

LushJ (March 1, 2005)

Fifteen yes, but Crimpshrine's still there. I think the Fifteen records on Lookout are still there too, so they're not part of the "leaving the label" club yet. The Queers were asked to leave, but then asked to come back a few years later. Bands like the Vindictives left to support Ben Weasel (and possibly Furious George?) when Ben versus Lookout was a huge deal around 97-98, but that wasn't for the same reasons as the other bands listed.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

Wow, that's both weird and cool. Anyhow, I don't own Over the James and 4 AM Friday, and Jade Tree being my favorite label, it only makes sense that I order those albums from them. -Chinatown

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Someone (March 1, 2005)

Yes, only ordering them because of the label is a good way to buy music.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

I already own 3 Avail albums, so it's not like I'm solely buying them because they're being released by Jade. Jade Tree's mail-order is faster than Lookout's anyway. -Chinatown

thirtyseconds (March 1, 2005)

Jade Tree have the fastest (international) shipping I have ever experienced. Which is great, because I am absolutely loving the new PIB and Loved Ones.

Inspection12e (March 1, 2005)

Jade Tree raised all of there prices. I haven't bought a cd of theres since.

Someone (March 2, 2005)

You are such a dumb ass.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

i saw them last night at a lucero show... too bad they didn't play.

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notfeelingcreative (March 1, 2005)

They're playing tommorow night, if you wanna make the drive to Orlando!!

Someone (March 1, 2005)

Sweet! Now maybe Avail will the get the recognition they deserve for being such a great band.

TheNightProwler (March 1, 2005)

I hope The Mr. T Experience leaves Lookout next because it doesn't seem like Lookout did shit to promote their last record and it was really good so I'm sure any other label could have done a better job to bring attention to it.

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Someone (March 1, 2005)

They wouldn't release Dr Franks last solo record, which is what they pretty much released in the new MTX cd.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

To me, Mr. T seems like a great Fat band. They just seem to fit eachother so well.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

It started with the Donnas, a terrible band to boot. I remember walking by the lookout store when Over The James just came out and you couldn't find a shred of info about that awesome disc. It was nothing but Donnas, Donnas, Donnas. Now they have Ted Leo.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

aren't the ghoulies like the nicest folks in the biz? how do you piss off the ghoulies?

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Someone (March 1, 2005)

I've heard that too, they're apparently the sweetest band ever and just wanna play. PS, Jade Tree's one of my fav labels. This is good news.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

Steal their touring van. -Chinatown

Someone (March 1, 2005)

um . . . over the james already sounds really clean. remastering dixie and 4am Friday would be stupid because part of the charm is the gruff recording quality. hey AVAIL (one of my favorite bands of all time) DON'T REMASTER THIS SHIT IF YOU NEED THE MONEY SO BAD WORK HARDER AND PUT OUT A GOOD RECORD AGAIN! one wrench and that other one, porch stories or whatever SUCKED

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Someone (March 1, 2005)

Front Porch Stories is great. Especially "West Wye," "Gravel to Dirt," "Done Reckoning," "East on Main," and "Monuments." One Wrench has its moments too. You suck. -Chinatown

Someone (March 2, 2005)

i agree. front porch stories is a good album. "Gravel to Dirt" is my personal favorite. it may not have the same exact sound as Satiate and Dixie but thats because people grow and try new things, as un-punk as that may sound. One Wrench's problem in my opinion was that they recorded the album in one day, and i think the order of the songs is off too. the opening song isnt the strongest song and they usually have a strong opening song (march, simple song). otherwise, i think there are several good songs on that album. i trust jade tree with the remasterings. i dont think they will ruin them. and if you dont like it, dont buy it.

BizzleBrizzle (March 1, 2005)

The songs I've heard off of 4AM were too quiet. Over The James is perfect though.

Someone (March 2, 2005)

Too quiet? Turn up your stereo, moron.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

i think the levels should be rasied on dixie

Someone (March 1, 2005)

We are not remastering for the money.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

I think Lookout trying to do something different msuically isn't a bad thing. And since I'm not avail and I don't work at lookout I have no idea what is going on. Hopefully it's the best for everyone. Ted Leo is the man, but bands like COmmunique?? Please stop trying to be so cool. It's bothersome.

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Someone (March 1, 2005)

i like communique, and american steel before them wyzo

Someone (March 1, 2005)

more proof that jade tree is one of the best labels around. dixie > over the james

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Someone (March 1, 2005)

Just in case anybody didnt know, Lookout changed management around 96. So the people who put out great stuff by Op ivy, screeching weasel, avail and other good stuff, have been long gone.

BizzleBrizzle (March 1, 2005)

I've not actually heard Dixie yet, but that bold statement intrigues me, because Over The James is one of the best things I've ever heard.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

Do it

Someone (March 1, 2005)

Just in case anybody didnt know, Lookout changed management around 96. So the people who put out great stuff by Op ivy, screeching weasel, avail and other good stuff, have been long gone.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

are they gonna reissue on vinyl, or just CD? because the only reason I care is if I can get a copy of 4AM Friday on vinyl without having to get an ebay account. I don't like the idea of "bonus songs", though. They usually destroy the flow of the album, especially when placed at the end. Hoo biddy, I hope they don't just throw some demo tracks on the end of Dixie or James. I hope they don't change too much in remastering, because 4AM and James are definitely fine as-is, soundwise. They're probably just gonna make it a little louder. There's the potential for some horrible damage done to classic albums in this, and theres the potential for them to become even better. - americanidle

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gregs (March 1, 2005)

i'd be very surprised if they reissued them on vinyl. doesn't seem to be a common practice, unfortunately.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

i dunno, it pretty much depends on the band from my understanding. Born Against and Feederz got reissued on both formats in the last two or three years.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

Dixie closes with a cover song. That's the only think that irks me with that album. Closing with a cover? That's fucking awkward. Oh well, I already have the original version, so I sure won't be buying one with 1 or 2 bonus tracks. -Chinatown

Someone (March 1, 2005)

front porch stories was awesome. bitch.

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notfeelingcreative (March 1, 2005)

Yeah, it's not my favorite avail record it falls behind "Over the James" and "4AM Friday" but, I don't understand why so many hated that record, I can listen to it all the way through, which is more than I can say for alot of albums out there.

dazed (March 1, 2005)

Yeah it pales compared to old Avail records but then again probably 80% of the stuff that I like can't hold up that comparison. The songs can fit into their live set well which is certainly proof of high quality.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

For anyone that cares, "Paradise" simply is not as good as "CVA"

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BizzleBrizzle (March 1, 2005)

It's better! Just because it isn't as brutal doesn't mean that it isn't as good.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

CVA is better. With 14 songs and 20 minutes you cant have two songs that are clunkers. Paradise has two pretty big clunkers with Election Day and Ghosts. Election Day is just a mess and Ghosts misses with its attempts to vary the tempo.

BizzleBrizzle (March 1, 2005)

Election Day is a fucking perfect song. I wouldn't expect everyone to love Ghosts, although I sort of think of it as a follow up to Atticus Finch.

Someone (March 2, 2005)

Election Day is an AWFUL song. Lyrics are relatively poor, guitar riffs break downs are almost direct nirvana rip offs, the song doesnt blend at all, and the mix is conciderably worse in comparison to the rest of the CD. it almost sounds like the song was recorded and mixed by totally different people.

dazed (March 1, 2005)

Yeah, between the raw production and the frenzied vocals I'd have to say I like "Paradise" better although I've only listened to it 5-6 times. "CVA" has more variation in the songs though, my one gripe about "Paradise" is nearly every song is about a minute and a half long and a short thrasher or a song that gets in a bass-driven groove and goes an epic 3 minutes can help with the tempo variation in making a great hardcore album rather than just a collection of great songs.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

For what it's worth, I've picked up the remastered versions of a few classics that have gone by the wayside over the years (No Control, Circa Now, 1039 Smoothed Out) and all of them have been exceptional. Usually remastering just means increasing the overall clarity of the sound without changing the way the music really sounds... if that makes sense.

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sickboi (chris) (March 1, 2005)

I didn't notice much with "1039 Smoothed Out Slappy Hours".

Someone (March 1, 2005)

AVAIL deserves anything they can get. They had their chance to go bigger and they refused to take it. Due to this, they have probably had a huge drop off of fans staying current with what they have been doing. A fresh new coat may open up the eyes and ears to a lot of these people of what they have been missing. The extra tracks that will be thrown on will be some of the live albums. I dont think there is much, if anything, new/unreleased that will be on the remastered albums. If they are pulling from Lookout! then there must be a damn good reason. AVAIL has been a damn hard working band and has always stayed true to their roots. I support the decision for the change and I hope it helps in some way or another.

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Someone (March 1, 2005)

"The extra tracks that will be thrown on will be some of the live albums." What a horrible idea! Thats going to totally destroy the flow of the album, probably. And it'll just be rediculous if they throw anything from "Kings Head" on there because that's still in print and very cheap!

dazed (March 1, 2005)

Just program it out on your stereo. I'm kind of psyched about those although I've already downloaded one of the live albums.

Someone (March 2, 2005)

just get the live albums, Kings Head is still in press and i think interpunk has the other one.

Big_Guy (March 1, 2005)

Jade Tree = SOOOO GOOD

Someone (March 1, 2005)

AVAIL is awesome. I saw them with Propagandhi right after "Today's Empires..." came out and it was one of the best shows I've ever seen. Their live show rips it up. Considering how good they were then and how lame Strike Anywhere was a few weeks ago, I think there are plenty of us who would like to see a little switcheroo take place regarding the Asskicking Stage. And this way we'll keep the geographic diversity of the lineup, by keeping a Virginian band on the lineup.

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Someone (March 1, 2005)

You're taste in music now officially sucks. Avail cannot come close to touching Strike Anywhere in any way, shape, or form. Even on an off night SA still can fall back on having some of the most thoughtful rocking music of all time. Shit, you like NMB so your opirion officially doesnt count anymore. You like watered down skate punk garbage. Bleh, i say BLEH

Someone (March 2, 2005)

WHAT?!?!? "some of the most thoughtful rocking music of all time" WHAT?!?!? That is, and I am in no means using hyperbole to make a point or cause a stir, THE most ridiculous thing I have heard on this site in 6 months. Easily. Look. Strike Anywhere is a mediocre little outfit that CAN, but certainly not always, put on a rocking show or record a nice little shout-along. But some of the most thoughtful rocking music of all time?!?!? Each section is absurd. But I'll give you "rocking" even if their mid-tempo formula and pasteurized vocals sometimes betray them (Exit English really is "just okay"... and there's a reason Thomas didn't make the cut when he tried out for Kid Dynamite). Of all time? Are you drunk? And they can rock and they can be one of the better bands of the current day, but they are most certainly NOT in contention for being very thoughtful. Jeez.

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Someone (March 1, 2005)

So uh... any news on the kid dynamite dvd?? Anyone??

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Someone (March 1, 2005)

they're slowly piecing shit together, but it has never been a priority. they asked for people to submit things last year. the folks involved have other things they'd rather do first. it'll get done sooner or later.

Someone (March 3, 2005)

Makes me wonder which one we'll see first: the kid dynamite dvd or the refused one...

Someone (March 1, 2005)

Wasnt there gonna be an Against Me!/Lucero split on this label?

Someone (March 1, 2005)

ways lookout can redeem itself: 1) re-release the corrupted morals disco on cd. 2) finally re-release the thrasher skate rock albums. 3) sign some pop punk bands! fuck the trends. 4) stop being involved with shit like dj'ing at the lame ass arrow bar.

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TheOneTrueBill (March 1, 2005)

Hell yes to the Corrupted Morals thing. I bought that "Punk Rock 7" Series" CD soley to get the CM material on it.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

and what about Black Cat Music. did anyone see any press for 'October, November'? did you see the band's video on mtv? did you know they even toured in support of the album? and if you wanted to right now could you go down to your favorite record store and buy the album. i'm guessing "no" to all of these. Lookout! has some amazing bands on their roster right now. they need to get their priorities straight.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

so what is their best cd(including sound quality)

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Someone (March 1, 2005)

Over the James hands down.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

Over the James is their best. Don't let people here fool you.

Someone (March 1, 2005)

Dixie - without a doubt

Someone (March 2, 2005)

they're all lying to you. its 4am friday. Dixie is a close second though.

Someone (March 2, 2005)

Since you did mention "sound quality"..... Front Porch Stories is a great place to start. And get Dixie as soon as Jade Tree releases it. -Chinatown

gregs (March 2, 2005)

Over the James, no doubt about it.

Someone (March 2, 2005)

4AM Friday, definitely, then Over The James.

Someone (March 14, 2005)

Over the james bitch

Someone (March 1, 2005)

repressing dixie and 4am is a great idea... remastering any of these is a stupid idea

Someone (March 1, 2005)

why is there even a label called "lookout records" anymore anyhow? stop dragging the name through the mud.. it's nothing like it was, and most everyone is on to new things I REPEAT - STOP DRAGGING LOOKOUT RECORDS THROUGH THE MUD AND LET IT DIE!!! oh wait.. it's been dead for a long time

dazed (March 1, 2005)

Good for Jade Tree, I'll probably pick all these up since I lost the originals I owned.

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dazed (March 1, 2005)

And I'm missing them tonight because they came through Gainesville on my spring break and I had shit to do with my family today. :(

Someone (March 2, 2005)

fuck jade tree

Someone (March 2, 2005)

this could really just suck ass... all these recordings comming louder and louder and louder on CD. i really hope jade tree doesn't fallow this mindless trend someone needs to learn about digital zero .... we do have volume knobs you know and dynamic content is a good thing

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Someone (March 2, 2005)

exactly!

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