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Dinosaurs Will Die

Contributed by shindo. Posted by Adam on Friday, March 1, 2002 at 9:36 AM (EST)

What happens when an industry mistreats its customers and its suppliers? When 8,999 of 9,000 audits show shoddy accounting practices? When a core business is bungled and the marketplace shrugs and moves on? When scandals and greed lead to massive layoffs and massive disgust?

Click here to find out. Quite an interesting little article for those of us who pay attention to the music industry.

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Someone (March 1, 2002)

I have thousands of entire albums in mp3 format that I "illegally" own. But you know what? When I think a band sounds good, I go to their shows, I buy their t-shirts, and I buy their albums directly from the band. Since I have discovered MP3s and file sharing networks, I haven't stopped buying CD's, I just found BETTER bands that aren't on major labels so it just SEEMS like gross CD sales have dropped, when in reality, they're just shifting to smaller labels and bands. Fuck the RIAA and an "amen, brotha' man" to the author of that article.

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Someone (March 1, 2002)

ya i find a new band from downloading stuff or hearing about them from other people, im not gonna waste my 10, 11, 12, and up bucks on a band ive never heard of before, i downloading a few of their songs and then i go buy their albums. and for the other bands like nsync and britney spears.....they only have like 1 or 2 "good" songs on their albums so thats all people want, they dont want a whole shity album that costs them money they just want one shit song......on the other hand some people do like shitty albums, go figure

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lockdown59 (March 1, 2002)

Very true. When I hear of a new band, i will always search for mp3s of that band before i buy the CD, no matter how good people say they are. Thanks to the internet and file-sharing networks, I have learned of a great deal of bands that get no TV or radio exposure. If it weren't for napster, and websites for record labels, and of course fine sites like punknews.org, I wuld be calling myself "punk" and listen to nothing but Blink 182, Sum41, and Offspring.

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xStreetPunkx (March 2, 2002)

Wow, I just thought a/b what lockdown59 said, " If it weren't for napster and websites for record labels...I would be calling myself "punk," and listen to nothing but Blink 182, Sum41, and Offspring." That's mostly true, and I would be just another poseur! (Oh, the humanity!) Thank God for mp3s, and indie labels! WooHOO!!

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Someone (March 2, 2002)

your a poseur anyway

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sickboi (chris) (March 1, 2002)

You know whats really sad about this? Metallica. When they were first getting started as a band, how do you think they spread the word? Through dubbed garage tapes. Fucking hypocrites.

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Someone (March 1, 2002)

I've been laughing at MEtallica since the whole Napster thing began. their losing money is bullshit. Metallica could release and album of James taking a shit and still sell 7 million copies of it

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punksetsfire (March 1, 2002)

yeah i remember when metallica used to be cool. now they're just a bunch of greedy old men. fuck 'em.

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xStreetPunkx (March 2, 2002)

You guys couldn't be more right! It seems nearly (remember, I said "nearly") every time a band "hits the big time," they become nothing but greedy, egotistical, snoveling hypocrites; people that live just to make more, and more money. See, that's the problem w/ money; once you start making more than you need to live on, you can never have enough! The love of money really is the root of all evil! Oh, and by the way, I nearly shot milk out my nose, when I heard Metallica was making an album w/ Jay-Z (fag)! Is this true? It's a sick, sick world and I want no part of it!

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_911 (March 1, 2002)

im glad how the offspring are going against the music industry and they played a great show in long beach 3 days ago!

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punksetsfire (March 1, 2002)

excellent article. can't wait to see the record industry finally collapse upon itself. just give it a few years.

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Someone (March 1, 2002)

What is destroying the music industry? Is it file sharing? Or could it be shitty music? Hmm...

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THEme (March 1, 2002)

Beautiful, just simply beautiful... me

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Someone (March 1, 2002)

Very good points about the status of the major label music industry. I think the interesting thing to note is how their companion corporations like radio, retailers and mtv will respond. I think a sign of this may be the emergence of more airtime and support for indie label bands on radio and mtv. I think the begiinnings of this are starting to show. Thursday, dashboard confessional and Bad Religion are all over mtv and mtv2. Here in seattle the local rock station has been adding a lot more indie label music to its playlists. Is this something that will be good for the underground scene. It is probably to early to tell, but it likely won't be. One thing that could happen in a positive manner would be an emerging ability for artists to be hugely successfull while not on these major labels.

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lockdown59 (March 1, 2002)

I too have noticed that more indie and punk stuff is emerging in the media. My sister recently saw Dashboard Confessional is one of the videos you could vote for to be on TRL. Whether or not it has made it on, i don't know. BUt alot of people at my school have become real Dashboard fans. Also, the local rock station, The Edge 103.9 recently switched frequencies (its a long story) Anyways, they used to have a 3 hour block of nothing but punk from 8-11 on sundays. Now its 9-10 every other day in addition. Bands like Bad Religion, AFI, Saves the Day and some more are now on the regualr playlist. I know the two latter technically aren't on indies anymore (AFI went to Dreamworks, and Vagrant was bought by Intersope) but still, no one here would hear of them if it weren't for this. A lot of the people here listen to rap, and I cant stand it, rap is so repetative.

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Someone (March 2, 2002)

vagrant was not bought by interscope.

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lockdown59 (March 3, 2002)

Recent reports by people on this site say interscope bought something like half of Vagrant, and making it a partner label (Like Flawless, Ruff Riders, though those labels blow my balls). Interscope even states that Under the "Artists on tour" section, one is Saves the Day. hhhmmm, perhaps it is a mystery, maybe its a rumor, maybe its true, only time will tell.

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xStreetPunkx (March 2, 2002)

I don't know; I'm kind of worried that teenie-boppers will start listening to indie music simply cause it's the cool thing to do, rather than b/c they actually like it! I hate it when I'm walking down the hall at school, and some sweater-and-khaki-wearing idiot says, "Hey, cool shirt, man." and he's referring to my DKM shirt. I know, that he thinks that DKM is all a/b drinking, which is soooooooo "cool." However, b/c I actually like DKM, I know that they also write about being a working man, and growing up impoverished in a working class family. Of course, these kids would have no concept of that! I am concerned that, if this trend continues, there will be little to no "underground" for future generations. The underground scene is for those that wish to play for fun, have fun, and succeed by themselves. Once they start getting national attention, most them will sign to m

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Someone (March 3, 2002)

I think that was an amazing sermon. Congrats for being one of the few nonfuckheads on the site! Rory E

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lockdown59 (March 3, 2002)

Strong words. And while I feel that you are correct in many aspects, I must disagree with somethings. Although it seems indie music is becoming much more popular recently, to these teenie-bopper fucks it is nothing more than a fad. Soon, it will subside, like ska did a few years back. Within 1.5 years maximum, Punk and other indie stuf with no longer be "cool" (except maybe Blink 182). When people listen to music, they look for 2 things, what sounds good, and what they can somewhat relate to. Where I live, Rap is still very popular, cause all these rich fucks, who have mommy and dady hand them everything, can relate to their fucking bentley's and tha (yea tha) bitches and hos, drinkin tha Cristal and smokin herb all day. All in all, Right now, Punk/emo and indie is popular, but will fade out, Although the underground is being dug up, it will be buried again. Shit I went off

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Someone (March 1, 2002)

This is a great article. My favorite part is: "If you're Sony, and you're making $4.6 billion in music sales but taking in $40 billion in sales from electronics, who are you going to listen to: the music industry complaining about people downloading music without authorization, or the electronics executives trying to make better, more expensive CD burners and MP3 players?" I would like to know how much more money Sony makes more in the end with things like file sharing than they do with cds. It would be their duty to let the people get a part of that cake who made the products that are being shared. And how many people who have a great mp3 collection would or could really buy these songs, i doubt they even hear them much, they just build a collection up, like me. And its not like stealing a car that you cant afford and you never would, cause you just get information, no har

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Someone (March 1, 2002)

The industry isn't whining cause the artist get no money, they cry about their own loss. I want to see the bands selling their own music over their own page and charging that amount of money they think the music is worth. It cant be that if you want to download an album you pay for all the songs together almost the same amount of money as for the album on cd. If people feel that the songs on the net cost as much as they deserve, and not as much as the industry wants to get, than i think the artist would earn more money than they do now by file sharing (which is nothing), but still the big music companies would lose money, but that happens if no one likes the way you sell stuff. Dinosaurs Will DIE

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xStreetPunkx (March 2, 2002)

Well, that sounds like a good idea; giving the bands sole responsibility over prices, but I foresee trouble w/ your plan. See, once you give bands the control, eventually some of them will get greedy the same as the record companies execs, and start bumping up the prices! ("The love of money is the root of all evil.") Also, prices for CDs could be so radically different, that you might have no idea what to expect when buying a CD. Still, I admire your attitude.

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Someone (March 1, 2002)

you know what the said thing is the people who usually have all the equipment to burn mp3s onto c.d. are all cheap little rich boys who see know problem ripping people off they dont buy alblums they just burn em. Same people woh in 10-20 years will control big business and fuck over the working class. Power to the proleteriat power to the working man. Jake Blues

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Someone (March 2, 2002)

bullshit

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CallingLondon (March 2, 2002)

this industry is doing this to them self. they like to blame Napster and Audiogalaxy and mp3s for their problems, but it's really their own refusal to accept this new technology and medium of promoting music that's killing them. If they just learned to work with the technology, lower CD prices, and treated their artists with respect, they would probably improve situations. There's a reason we've seen bands move back to indy labels (bad religion, LTJ, Hippos, etc). i seriously hope the major labels either change their ways drastically, or i say fuck them. the indy labels will remain standing when the smoke clears, and the presidents of atlantic, Interscope, Sony, and so on, will all be slapping thier foreheads.

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Someone (March 3, 2002)

down with the industry!

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fish (March 3, 2002)

the article talks about Sony making money off of the technology and the cds. maybe the record companies should work together with the technology companies? i don't really know many details about this shit, but there must be something to that idea.

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Someone (March 3, 2002)

In what way do you mean. They can try to make better copy right technology, but then the technology branch would lose money, or they could abolish copyright technology, but then the music part would miss money. Instead they do both things and try to get money from both, its smart, but its a fucking lie to the customers. According to the music industry and Microsoft and some other companies, we should pay every time we listen to a song! I am asking myself sometimes who is the real thief. They want us to make feel guilty and pay more to them, but we should stop play this game. Its politics again, Microsoft and others have the money and they have influnce on piliticians, so they can vring their interests into the law, like they did on the Digital Right Act or how whatever its called(i hope someones posts the right name of this law, it just doesnt come to my mind now, sorry).

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lockdown59 (March 3, 2002)

Some copanies are on both branches. Correct me if I am wrong, but Epic Records is owned by Sony. Sony makes CD players, and burners and other shit like that. for them, its a win-win situation. I doubt they give a fuck. they can't lose now.

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dontgetcaught (November 3, 2006)

The way I see it is you can get a lot of money by doing very little by being a famous musician. Much like you can if your dad owns an oil company. So when things like Napster start and people start trading music for free, to hell with all the small little bands it helps by getting their stuff out there. It has to be shut down because of the slim chance someone heres one of your overproduced pieces of crap for free. Even though you only get 15% of all the cash you make (yes the execs get 60% in most contracts! Just imagine how much money one artist could make if they had the self respect to keep the rights to their songs.) you'll be damned if some kid in the midwest is going to stiff you out of what you deserve. Hell, you spent all day sitting on your ass in a studio. You must have burned like 10 calories!! That's at least 20 g's you should get. I mean you're im

show rest of commentThe way I see it is you can get a lot of money by doing very little by being a famous musician. Much like you can if your dad owns an oil company. So when things like Napster start and people start trading music for free, to hell with all the small little bands it helps by getting their stuff out there. It has to be shut down because of the slim chance someone heres one of your overproduced pieces of crap for free. Even though you only get 15% of all the cash you make (yes the execs get 60% in most contracts! Just imagine how much money one artist could make if they had the self respect to keep the rights to their songs.) you'll be damned if some kid in the midwest is going to stiff you out of what you deserve. Hell, you spent all day sitting on your ass in a studio. You must have burned like 10 calories!! That's at least 20 g's you should get. I mean you're important. Even though the fans you claim to love don't make a tenth in a year of what you make in an hour. And when you shut down all these "pirate" music shops online, and some small band that might have earned a living doing what he/she loves AND being able to raise their kids has to go work in a factory for the rest of their lives, they can grow bitter and tell their kid not to bother with music as it's a bullshit waste of time. That's will leave less competition for you're little bastard to cut a multimillion dollar deal when she's 10. Oh son't worry if she can't sing they can fix that in editing. And she's only 10 and doesn't know shit about the real world? That's cool, you can get your pool cleaner to write her stuff, he used to be in a band years ago and was pretty talented. He just never got the proper exposure, thanks to you Mr. Ulrich.