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Media coverage of PunkVoter @ the Iowa caucus

Posted by adam on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 at 9:05 PM (EST)

There's been some coverage of the PunkVoter press conference at the recent Democratic caucus in Iowa. You can read a report from Rolling Stone and a more negative view from KnightRidder Newspapers. Members of the MC5, Anti-Flag, Rise Against and Faith No More were on hand. PunkVoter's Scott Goldstein told Rolling Stone "Politicians didn't walk away from us, they actually sought us out... [Dennis] Kucinich and [Howard] Dean spent time with us, as did the [John] Edwards folks. We were the only guys in there with red mohawks, and probably the only ones under the age of thirty."

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Someone (January 14, 2004)

And now we await the flames. -MATEO D'CAY

sickboi (chris) (January 14, 2004)

Knightridder is some of the most idiotic journalism I have ever seen. I swear they can never write a completely unbiased piece.

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Looczar (January 15, 2004)

I used to work for The Tallahassee Democrat, a Knightridder paper... and man their journalism made me lose what little remained of my faith in the craft... The fact is that the journalistic community has been kidding itself for years with the very notion of "unbiased pieces". Just say what you're trying to say and how you feel about it. This article is typical of their appeal to suburban tightasses and shakey foggeys... Roll your eyes at those crazy punkrockers and goofy Iowa politicians who think they can change the inevitable re-election of Dubya. It's like everybody associated with this publisher is miserable with the way their life turned out and so they pass it on... nothing changes, Life is lifeless... Pale and bland and bled dry... And that is how it was to work for them too.

Someone (January 14, 2004)

heres what should happen.....in my opinion... dean for pres kerry, or gepheart for vice... it wont ever happen but its the only way we will win....... bush is teflon at this point... not saying he wont fuck up again... but can he fuck up that bad

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Someone (January 14, 2004)

i dont want dean, i want kusinich and if not him kerry... and if i butchered the name im sorry, but im lazy.

Someone (January 14, 2004)

I like Kucinich a lot too, but I don't think he could win

InaGreendase (brian) (January 15, 2004)

My thoughts exactly.

Looczar (January 15, 2004)

I really don't like Kucinich... I've only heard/seen him speak twice, but he just seems like a weasel! But you're right in that he doesn't stand a snowball chance in hell of winning the nomination! The word is that after these first primaries the field of candidates will dramatically narrow...

Someone (January 14, 2004)

I am in favor of Wes Clark, he seems to be a pretty intelligent guy. he just isn't getting much press because he has decided to skip the Iowa caucus. However he is second in the New Hampshire polls.

Someone (January 15, 2004)

His tax plan simply will not work. The working class pays no taxes? The upper class picks up the slack? We all use the services that are paid for by taxes. We should all be responsible for paying something. If something is free, people have less respect for it. We all need to contribute.

Someone (January 14, 2004)

ok, here's what should happen. Bush for president and Cheney for vice

Someone (January 14, 2004)

Someone (January 15, 2004)

"when I voted for the war, I voted for what I thought was best for the country." -John Kerry What a fucking chump.

Someone (January 15, 2004)

Isn't that what politicians are elected to do? what they think is best for the country?

Someone (January 15, 2004)

yeah but he got fuckin' played. And there were about a zillion people all over the world who could have told him. They were fucking screaming it. Fuck this guy.

Someone (January 17, 2004)

that doesn't mean they are fucking right. i seem to recall when slavery was a popular world opinion, but somehow it wasn't right

mrwaffles (January 15, 2004)

I think Dean should run with Gen. Clark for vice president. He seems pretty good on social issues, and Clark would alleviate any concerns about defense.

Hundredweight (January 15, 2004)

I can't see Clark accepting the VP slot - if he doesn't win the nomination, he'll likely leave the race. The most electable ticket would be either Dean/Edwards or Dean/Gephardt - Dean has energised the Democratic party like few before him and is most likely to draw out the swing voters (which, in this election, will be the 18-25 year olds, his support by whom dwarfs that of any other candidate ). Gephardt or Edwards would be smart bets for the VP slot and are, with the exception of Clark, the only candidates who will stand a chance in the south. Both are also especially gifted in drawing out blue collar workers who would otherwise (for some inexplicable reason) vote Republican. Bush's numbers are weak. Polls indicate that Howard Dean - who hasn't even won the nomination yet, let alone mounted the kind of campaign we'll see later this year - is gaining on Bush to the tune of

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Someone (January 14, 2004)

One word...Kucinich. He has no shot, but by far the best stance on the issues.

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Looczar (January 15, 2004)

He's a weasel.

SickBRAAAAH (January 16, 2004)

Duh

Someone (January 14, 2004)

Yeah that knight rider article was just plain stupid. The comment abouyt Woodrow Wilson made no sense, especialy since he was a liberal(by the standards of the time period) and progressive persident. So, what the fuck are they talking about?

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Someone (January 14, 2004)

Willson was progressive? i thought it was willson democrat, taft republican and TR progressive...or they all could have beeen progressives...ignore me or correct me,i'm quite confused

Someone (January 14, 2004)

well "progressive" as an ideology not the actual political party

declinepunk (January 14, 2004)

wilson was also a war president. i'm not trying to be a dick, but he said "no war" and in a matter of months he had taken us into one. he was still a president and still a liar.

Someone (January 14, 2004)

He didn't want to and then that whole Pearl Harbor thing happened. Don't coverup your obvious argument flaws

Someone (January 14, 2004)

Ok, buying the "official" story is always a great idea.

Someone (January 14, 2004)

yeah, Pearl Harbor was a conspiracy...hmm

Someone (January 14, 2004)

Wrong war. None of you fucks know history. Woodrow Wilson was a preacher's son, a fairly conservative man with a centrist platform. He was elected because Teddy Roosevelt split the Republican vote by forming the Progressive Party. Republican didn't always mean right or Democrat left, at least until the second half of the 20th Century. Wilson was re-elected by promising to keep the still isolationist USA out of WWI, however the Lusitania incident as well as numerous other attacks on US shipping by the increasingly desperate Germans led him to enter the war a year and a half before its end.

Someone (January 14, 2004)

you morons, Wilson was president during World War ONE, Pearl Harbor triggered our involvement in World War TWO. FDR was president during World War TWO. I don't think any of you are in a position to make historical assertions when you can't even get that straight. Go back to 10th grade history class.

declinepunk (January 14, 2004)

i actually don't think any of my information was wrong, thanks.

Someone (January 15, 2004)

I wasn't replying to your thread, there was someone below you that made a grossly inaccurate statement, and then people discussing what he said as if it wasn't grossly inaccurate. Sorry for the confusion though

declinepunk (January 15, 2004)

no problem g

Someone (January 17, 2004)

i slept through 10th grade history.

CrankWillDestroy (January 15, 2004)

You're retarted.

Someone (January 14, 2004)

Fuck Punk Voter! -H. Dean

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Someone (January 14, 2004)

why say that when you spent time with them?

Someone (January 14, 2004)

i live in des moines. no one gives a shit about punkvoter, and they give less of a shit about the caucuses, because all it means for iowans is every four years politicians act like they give a shit about us before packing up after the 21st, and they do nothing before the 21st but telemarket their bullshit (i own a business and i still get calls from those fuckers), picket lawns with litter, clog downtown traffic with dumb chants, and take up space and money better spent on the "people" they say they want to help instead of John Kerry having 4 different des moines offices. Also, they tip badly when ordering pizzas. wyzo

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Someone (January 14, 2004)

Well, there are people who do care in EVERY state. Caucuses are mostly for the party base but are big in the nomination process.

Someone (January 14, 2004)

i live in iowa dean came to my town burlington the other night i went oh man i ate lots of free food haha then dean said this "you can beat bush by being bush light"

Someone (January 14, 2004)

can't

thelifestyle (January 15, 2004)

wyzo- I also live in DSM, what pizza place do you own?

Looczar (January 15, 2004)

So the pizza parlor poll is showing a high level of boos for the Democrats... or politics all together for that matter! You should cast your vote as a write in for The Noid!

Someone (January 14, 2004)

Kucinich for pres!

moldy (January 14, 2004)

i sent this in and i dont know if it will be posted but the iowa chapters of United Auto Workers (UAW), and America Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) have also joined up with punkvoter. check out the full story. http://www.alternativetentacles.com/news.php?sd=SG5wRNMro iiRbnDWQgQ#191

hitlerbadzakgood (January 14, 2004)

i couldnt be happier for the support that punkvoter is getting, they deserve it.

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Someone (January 14, 2004)

I second that. Some say that Fat Mike is just trying to get his own agendas across, but at least he is doing something. Sure maybe a bunch of the people who wholeheartedly follow Fat Mike may be only thirteen and can't vote, but this may get them to vote when they turn 18. It is pretty sad that we have the lowest voter turnout of almost all of the countries that hold elections. As far as voting, I will vote Democrat but not because of Fat Mike. I am voting Dem. because as a teacher, Bush's No Child Left Behind Education plan is killing small schools and hurting students, teachers, and communitys.

Someone (January 15, 2004)

Knightridder are jerks. Big biased jerks. Like the snobby rich high school bully. Spread the word that they're mean and they will crumble. Viva la revolution!

CrankWillDestroy (January 15, 2004)

Wes Clark has my vote.

PetroBPettson (January 15, 2004)

How many people on here are actually old enough to vote?

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thelifestyle (January 15, 2004)

i am

InaGreendase (brian) (January 15, 2004)

Me.

CrankWillDestroy (January 15, 2004)

I'll be the big 21 here in a few months. And I thought turning 18 and being able to vote would be exciting...

notfeelingcreative (January 15, 2004)

I voted Gore (actually against bush)last election!

Someone (January 15, 2004)

I got a fake ID so that I could vote.

Looczar (January 15, 2004)

Just like that kid on the Breakfast Club!

Someone (January 15, 2004)

nah man you need a voter registration card... so all those people who dont have them, get em before november!

declinepunk (January 15, 2004)

i can vote.

Someone (January 15, 2004)

Responding to the post about Fat Mike's reasons for PunkVoter, I agree that even if he is getting his agenda out, at least he is doing something. However, at the same time, NOFX has turned into a political agenda- The War On Errorism, the constant political commenting- I appreciate that Fat Mike wants to help people get out there and vote, but I hope somebody can come out and admit that Punk Voter is incredibly biased- look, I hate George W. Bush. But I can't honestly think that we should force that opinion on others, and I think Punk Voter.com is just teaching kids who have no idea what their voting for to not vote for George W. Bush. I don't support GWB. Not by a long shot. I hate the guy. But that doesn't mean I don't think that people should have the right to support his views. I'm smart enough to want to vote on my own, and I appreciate the fact that there ar

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Looczar (January 15, 2004)

Independent thinkers are going to find their own opinions regardless though. Let's face it, a majority of these people are never going to think for themselves anyway... so somebody might as well tell them what to think rather than let them just zombie around waiting to be programmed by some other conservative, rich Hype Machine. To the more intelligent members of this funny little subculture called punk rock, this might seem insulting, but you got to remember there are a lot of morons that are into the same bands as you are and you might as well use these numbskulls to your advantage otherwise somebody else is just gonna snatch em up, wind em, and send them marching at you chanting "Bush 2004!"

LushJ (January 15, 2004)

You're assuming the people reading punkvoter.com can't evaluate the information there on their own. Don't sell your fellow music fans that short (although it's tempting...).

Someone (January 15, 2004)

Punk guys talking to stuffy old dudes in suits? I'm sure that counts as selling out somewhere! Sellouts!!!

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Someone (January 15, 2004)

I don't see how that's selling out. It seems that they did what they've always done... try to have people listen to their views and make a difference... I think you missed the definition of a sellout.

Someone (January 15, 2004)

That sounds like sellout talk, you sellout!

Looczar (January 15, 2004)

Yeah, well you're a sellout for chitchatting bag and forth on a message board with a sellout! SELLOUT! Oh shit, now I'm a sellout too! DAMN IT! WHY HATH THOU FORSAKEN MEEEEeeeee!!!

declinepunk (January 15, 2004)

we're all just a big bunch of sellouts and poseurs :( aaaaaaaaaaaand now i'm over it.

Someone (January 16, 2004)

How fucking insignfigant is this punk rock shit when people are being murdered for profit with your tax dollars? Sellout? Who gives a shit? Put things in perspective.

Someone (January 16, 2004)

This guy here's the ultimate sellout.

Someone (January 15, 2004)

I really appreciate Faith No More's involvement in this. It just goes to prove that THEY CARE A LOT!

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Someone (January 15, 2004)

fuckin' classic.

Someone (January 15, 2004)

It's a dirty job, but someone's go to do it!

notfeelingcreative (January 15, 2004)

boo! (hurls tomato)

Looczar (January 15, 2004)

What, no love for THE REVEREND AL SHARPTON?! What we need... SOUL POWER! Preach it, Reverend!!! Paint the White House Black Bay-Bee!!

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declinepunk (January 15, 2004)

actually, sharpton got my attention during the last debate. he said something about the enemy not being in a cave somewhere but that the enemy was in a business suit, and i liked that.

Someone (January 16, 2004)

why? he's wrong. the enemy is in a cave. business helps this country survive and be where it is today...the best and most powerful country in the world. why do you think they are living in a cave? because they are jealous and also can't afford the way of life a lot of people in the USA have

Someone (January 15, 2004)

i've seen zero coverage in major newspapers, the nightly news, and cnn. they're doing a pretty crappy job of promoting this.

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Someone (January 16, 2004)

not just msnbc and cnn.com, but also mtv.com and rollingstone.com...

Someone (January 15, 2004)

the scattered ashes signify the demise of the son. where will you be when they flock. crushing the horrid footsteps of greed and agony. an endless misery of winter and despair will end. a new sun breaks through the clouds of corporate coughs.

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Someone (January 16, 2004)

Ooookay...

SickBRAAAAH (January 16, 2004)

DUUUUDE, I HOPE KERRY GETS THE NOD, BECAUSE DEAN IS GONNA HAVE A FUCKING HARD TIME APPEALLING TO WHITE SOUTHERNERS WITH CONFEDERATE FLAGS ON THEIR PICKUP TRUCKS. SCHEISSE. sorry about the caps lock. i hope Fat Mike gets his shit together and makes the tour a success, and hopefully maybe spark some mtv interest. if he does that, liberals might have a better chance. thats the point of this whole thing. go fat, i love fat, brah!

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Someone (January 16, 2004)

I read something (I think in Newsweek) saying that Democrats are pretty much conceding the South and campagining hard in the North, where they can actually win. Basically, I don't think they care.

Someone (January 16, 2004)

I fuckin hate the south. Bunch of fuckin redneck jesus loving hicks.

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