and is one of many users to let us know about the right-wing equivalent of Punkvoter, Conservativepunk.com. The site currently features columns written by former new Misfits singer Michael Graves, among others.
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| In the interest of equal exposure... Contributed by AmericanIdle. Posted on Monday, February 16, 2004 at 1:52 AM (EST)
and is one of many users to let us know about the right-wing equivalent of Punkvoter, Conservativepunk.com. The site currently features columns written by former new Misfits singer Michael Graves, among others. (315 comments |
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Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 02:02:08 i think its cool that there's actually a second side to it now concerning punk. even though everyone knows you have to do what fat mike says to be a punk rocker. Especially when people bitch about anarchy, and then vote for a side that has historically wanted bigger government. But people dont care about the issues. they care about how cool it was of John Kerry to drop F bombs in Rolling Stone. Oh, and to everyone out there, please know that there are more than 2 parties out there. please, go look.
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 02:05:53 Wouldnt it be the "punk" thing to not allign yourself to any political party, no matter your personal views? At least, I dont want to associate myself with either parties leaders.
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 02:06:05 Finally, somebody makes fun of punkvoter. Nobody wants to hear a bunch of shitty stoned out burn outs try and talk politics and blame all there problems on Bush.
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Sciulli on 2004-02-16 02:06:34 Brendan from Larry Arms is writing a rebuttal to Graves article, which slammed his Punk Voter piece. Should be interesting.
what is true for punkvoter, is true for conservativepunk
by chimericalburst on 2004-02-16 02:08:10 http://www.geocities.com/versailleskills
websites premised on idiocy within either ideological camp of the punk rock movement make their adherents and their ideologies look like a joke. both punkvoter and conservative punk are laughable.
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 02:09:07 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA - You gotta be kidding me!
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 02:10:48 Jesus Christ, is this for real? How does right-wing politics mix with Punk Rock?!?!?! Someone please explain this joke...
One thing I want to point out is that, having read most of the material on this site, there is very little that is "Conservative" about supporting George W.Bush. Bush can claim some allegiance to social conservatism (i.e. controlling people's private lives) but real conservatism has it's roots in people like Milton Friedman, who I may not agree with, but at least espoused consistent principles.
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 02:12:50
I still don't see why Fat Mike started PunkVoter. Doesn't he realize that no one over the age of 18 buys Fat Music, much less gives a shit what a 40 yeard old with blue hair and a beer gut has to say. Yeah I can already hear it...."he did it to get a good message out"...blah blah
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 02:23:20
Brendan Kelly should kick Michael Graves's ass
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by AmericanIdle on 2004-02-16 02:24:01 http://www.ihatemusic.org I don't really like punkvoter or conservativepunk. Oh well.
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 02:30:44
I can see it now....
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 02:32:40 How is Fat Records going to survive if Punkvoter.com is sucessful and throws out Bush? They are going to lose all thay cash coming in from thos "Not My President" Ts.
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 02:34:16 At least Punk Voter is showing actual facts every few days about what is really going on. Who cares if Fat Mike started it, 90% of the Punk Heavy-weights support it cause it's true. All Punk-Voter needed was a popular figure like Fat Mike to get it noticed and popular. None of the shit in the news and columns have anything to do with Fat Mike, so quit bitching about Fat Mike. That Conservative Site is pathetic. Everything is about Punk Voter and how un-american they are. They don't even show facts to why we should support Republicans and they totally ignore and disregard the negative facts that Punk Voter has put forth. Instead of debating these facts they just bash Punk Voter with things that have nothing to do with the News Punk Voter puts out
I sent them a friendly e-mail as soon as I heard about them- 2/2/04. I'm one of the listed individuals @ Punk Voter, and I think that even though I strongly disagree with most of their opinions, it's good to have more debate. (I agree with the person above who points out they're "neo-conservative", not "conservative", that's just the beginning of their problems) Unfortunately no answer yet, I am hoping for an intelligent dialog with someone from their site.
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 02:38:59
CHECK THIS OUT:
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 02:42:01 Fuck politics and fuck all of you.
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by civperc on 2004-02-16 02:42:31 FINALLY!!! I am so sick and tired of hearing about Fat Mike's whining and "Rock Against Bush" BULLSHIT. Conservativepunk.com is a breath of fresh air in a liberal-polluted, punk-politics atmosphere.
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 02:43:38
HERE IS BRENDEN KELLY'S (LAWRENCE ARMS) RESPONSE TO CONSERVATIVEPUNK.COM AND GRAVES' COLUMN:
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by PetroBPettson on 2004-02-16 02:57:26 I'll bet The Bodies start doin' shit for this site(and when I mean shit, I mean SHIT). They are one of the only tollerabel conservative punk bands out there. I'll bet the Anti-heros are down(if they still exist) with this too. Politics with no humor(and both most Christian rock and right wing punk bands severely lack humor....or good humor anyway) usually equals shit music. Same works for ultra serious lefties too. Anyway, I'm sure con-punk's site'll be plagued with lots of mockery, and probably disappear after the election anyway.
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 03:07:53
Conservative Punk? What an oxymoron.
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 03:10:20 you know its funny how he lists one of the sources of punk conservatism as a prominent glue sniffer...(johnny ramone for the slower crowd)
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 03:11:16
Just a few of the bands that are left wing and support Punk Voter:
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by MajorThreatOiOi on 2004-02-16 03:22:26 Hey I checked out Ben Weasels site as recomended on the conservitive punk site, and all Ben could talk about was the fucking Yankees aquiring A-rod, while i love his music (screeching weasel), I dont see any type of connection between a fucking huge sports team getting some over-rated player so the team can rake in more money selling $3 hats for $25, and how our government is going to make sure that our public schools stay staffed and open. This site, to me, seems to be fuled by a need to be heard, but in the end some people shouldnt talk.
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by CrankWillDestroy on 2004-02-16 03:23:45 Conserva-punks. Ha.
Conservative + Punk (and a reason why)
by Someone on 2004-02-16 03:26:00
Conservative and punk? You better believe it.
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Jimmy_the_Saint on 2004-02-16 07:40:08
"Doesn't he realize that no one over the age of 18 buys Fat Music, much less gives a shit"
PUNKVOTER LIES website
by Someone on 2004-02-16 07:47:07 Another anti-Punkvoter site -- PunkvoterLies.blogspot.com --Stacey
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 08:30:01 I love how that douche bag quotes Johnny Ramone saying that Punk should be right wing, fuck the ramones. I never thought as highly about those guys as everyone else did, the ramones are the MOST overrated band ever, they beat Nirvana, ABBA, and Sex Pistols by a landslide.
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 10:04:39
From Merriam-Webster online:
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 10:05:59
Yeah, well I found an even better take on why Conservative Punk and Punk Voter both suck
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 10:09:54 Q:What do you call conservative/right wing punk? A:Nazi Skinhead
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by SOYBOMB on 2004-02-16 11:03:00
"“Oh man, this is gonna be great. It’s going to be just like a battle rap played out on an electronic stage, but instead of questioning each other’s sexuality and the chastity of our mothers, it’s gonna be all partisan sloganeering and jargon.”"
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 11:19:39 did anyone else notice that in the logo for conservative punk there is a nautical star which is a well known symbol for communism?
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by jumpstartrecords on 2004-02-16 11:21:33 http://www.jumpstartrecords.com opinions are like assholes...everyone's got one and they all smell like shit. use your head and think for yourself. don't let either website distort your views and keep in mind, regardless of what either site (or political party for that matter) says, they all have their own agenda. some are just a bit more open about it than others.
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 11:31:19
What punk needs is a website that reports the facts without bias and then gives people a place to peacefully and intelligently debate the topics of interest. No conservative bias, no liberal bias, just facts.
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by notaclevername on 2004-02-16 12:19:48
this is interesting (even though i am pretty liberal on most accounts)
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Jacobe on 2004-02-16 12:24:21 http://prettygirlsmakegraves.com Let's get back the real issue at hand, Graves was a singer for Misfits and is not Danzig. This there for negates anything he has/will say.
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by AmericanIdle on 2004-02-16 12:44:30 http://www.ihatemusic.org
All of you saying "Conservative has no place in punk" is as stupid, short-sighted and blindly exclusionary as them saying "Liberal has no place in punk".
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 13:10:50 graves never had any credability anyway, he's a good singer but never any bussines in trying to claim to being "the misfits"
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 13:19:49 dog shit > nader.
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 13:34:39 Conservative Punk = Oxymoron Moron
Interesting
by Someone on 2004-02-16 13:47:45 I was reading today that if John Kerry gets elected he will be the third richest president ever (Inflation included)
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 14:17:21
I wonder where Benji and Joel find the time to study politics, I guess in the limo on the way to shoot a cover for Teen People, how very punk. - Andrew Wilkow
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 14:52:21
Maybe now that you're all fired up some of you will actually vote.
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 15:27:46 I didn't get into the scene because of my rebellious nature or my desire for change or anything remotely along those lines. I honestly felt that people cared about each other and the musicians cared about their music blah blah blah so I don't really know much about the political stances of the scene. My question is, for all these "punk is about anti-establishment" people, if Al Gore had won the election, would punkvoter.com be rocking against Gore?
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 16:38:03 bullshit. there's only so much that can go under the banner of one subculture, and historically there has never been room for right-wingers in punk rock. that's just the way it is. if you want to listen to the same style of music but have completely different lifestyles and political views, call it something other than punk.
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by faintedlife on 2004-02-16 16:42:54
What's even more pathetic is the link to Rush Limbaugh's radio station in their links section...
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 16:49:08
I think Chimerical Burst might be, like, the punkest dude ever. Totally. Look at his cool AOL profile:
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 17:04:22 you people are funny pretending you know what you're talking about. either do some reading and form a valid opinion or stay apathetic and keep yourself from sounding stupid, which most of these posts prove.
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 17:25:05 NeoCons favorite words: I, mine, me, Which ones cheaper?, spank, punish, justice, kickback, EVIL, stupid treehugger, vote no on hospital, school, and veterans benefit tax.
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-16 18:37:28 The articles on this page aren't even very good. There is little on the site right now, but these articles just are just labeling everyone with petty stereotypes, exagerating and misinterpreting people's words (in the case of graves rebuttle to brendan kelly), and they don't make any sort of compelling argument. And I'm not just saying this because I'm not conservative, I'll give credit to someone for a good argument or well written article. But this isn't it.
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by matt_obscure on 2004-02-16 19:22:13 http://home.rochester.rr.com/obscuremedia/
let's call it what it is...reading the stuff on that site is just simple namecalling and regurgitation of things they've heard on talk shows...
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-17 08:34:03
good article
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-17 18:41:11 Why the fuck does it matter so much what it take to be "punk" anyways? Just live your life how the fuck you want (within means of he law of course). If you want to live your life as a punk then do that, but theres no sense in bitching about what it takes to be punk. If you think you have to be liebral to be punk then thats your opinion and vice versa. If someone else thniks that you cant be conservative and be a punk then fuck them and vice versa.
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-02-17 19:29:39
HAHAHA!!!
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-03-11 18:35:39 Isnt "Conservative Punk" the biggest oxymoron youve ever heard?
Re: In the interest of equal exposure...
by Someone on 2004-04-09 10:02:59 Why don't people wake up and fucking notice the real things going on in the world? Half the poeple who try and decifer which political stance is right for punk know fuck all about politics and need to look at the real issues. At the end of the day punk is about music. Sure lyrics and political incitefulness do come into it but it shouldn't fucking dictate your life. And in Fat Mike's defence he is only trying to keep that asshole Bush from cheating the elections again, he doesn't like the democrats, its just a 'lesser of two evils' situation. Punks should start looking for political answers in other places than music, such as the paper! If you really fucking care do something about it, join a party, stand in local elections, don't winge about what you dont like being said in a politically motovated genre of music. |
by maverick on 2004-02-16 01:53:34
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