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Contributed by AmericanIdle. Posted by scott on Monday, February 16, 2004 at 1:52 AM (EST)

and is one of many users to let us know about the right-wing equivalent of Punkvoter, Conservativepunk.com. The site currently features columns written by former new Misfits singer Michael Graves, among others.

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maverick (scott) (February 16, 2004)

Just in case anyone is wondering - we at Punknews.org do not necessarily endorse everything we cover in the news. That's all I'll say about that. -Scott

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

So let's get this straight, in the interest of fairness you don't endorse a conservative website, but the non-stop promoting of punkvoter.com and anti-Bush events is perfectly fine with you guys? Please, get your story straight. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and it's ridiculous to think that there's anything wrong with having your own opinions. I thought being punk means being strong-minded and having your own opinions, not supporting something because 'that's what punk is.' I have every right to support George W. Bush and the Republican party just as you all can support Nader or Kerry or whoever.

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chimericalburst (February 16, 2004)

1. no one's promoting anything, this is a news website. 2. oh wait, i guess that point pretty much clears your whole arguement cburst

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

How can you say you dont support one cause? Look at Aubin's comments below you, hes obviously does not like conservative ideals and wants Bush out of office.. Not that I mind because I totally agree with him, but don't say you are netural. You guys remind me of Fox News, saying how they're fair and balanced, when its so not true.

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chimericalburst (February 16, 2004)

there's a difference between news posts, and comments. end of story.

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Aubin (February 16, 2004)

Notice that these are comments, the article itself has no complaints, biases or anything other than the straight facts. On the front page, we're trying to be unbiased about this particular site, in the comments, we're free to speak our minds. I would hope that you would extend to us the same right to comment that other people on this site have.

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Aubin (February 16, 2004)

We mentioned punkvoter.com events because of the bands involved, and projects specifically. punkvoter.com has Green Day, Bad Religion, NOFX, Lawrence Arms, and many, many more. Those are punk bands people care about so it is perfectly relevant to mention what they're up to. If this conservative site gets compilation, major mainstream converage we'll certainly bring those up. Punkvoter has done more newsworthy things than launch a website. The amount of news on a topic is proportionate to the amount of actual events related to that topic. It doesn't imply a bias, it's just common sense.

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CrankWillDestroy (February 16, 2004)

Well put. I was just about to bring something like that up.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

haha, american punx are funny. in europe and the rest of the world we call right wingers nazi skinheads...

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

i'm not going to defend right wingers, but calling them nazis is bullshit. that's a totally insensitive remark and if you can't see why, then i feel sorry for you.

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rkl (February 16, 2004)

In light of current events, comparing someone who has right-wing beliefs to someone who has facist beliefs really isnt that out there. Read the Patriot Act, and all hail military rule.

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Someone (February 17, 2004)

last time i checkled the nazis were rather liberal with hitler's big government.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

i think its cool that there's actually a second side to it now concerning punk. even though everyone knows you have to do what fat mike says to be a punk rocker. Especially when people bitch about anarchy, and then vote for a side that has historically wanted bigger government. But people dont care about the issues. they care about how cool it was of John Kerry to drop F bombs in Rolling Stone. Oh, and to everyone out there, please know that there are more than 2 parties out there. please, go look.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

you're ignorant. You're thinking about stupid little 13 years old who don't have an opinion.

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chimericalburst (February 16, 2004)

its cool that there's a second side, its too bad they're idiots with nothing interesting/important/eloquent/well-informed to say.

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chimericalburst (February 16, 2004)

oh, and big government? who's running the better part of a trillion dollar deficit? clinton? no, that was a surplus, a deficit is the OPPOSITE. BUSH IS RUNNING A MASSIVE DEFICIT WHICH IS THE BEST DEFINITION OF BIG GOVERNMENT (one which cannot even be funded by the regressive tax structure) cburst

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Someone (February 19, 2004)

And Clinton never experienced 9/11

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CallingLondon (February 16, 2004)

i don't think most people support anarchy, dude. the democrats are more liberal, which tends to go along more with punk state of mind. The conservative side, which promotes stagnation, instead of progress sure as hell wouldn't be the way to go, and concerning those other parties, get real. we all know atleast 90% of those parties have no chance of ever winning.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

go study history. both democrats and republicans sprouted up initially as a small party and are now the dominant ones. some of the small parties now may do the same if there is some kind of drastic change in america - a large-scale war or the like. you should vote for whoever you think is the best candidate with the best ideals.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

You're a fool. Do you honestly think the Democrats or Republicans would back any action that would destabalize the system that keeps them in power?

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chimericalburst (February 16, 2004)

speaking of studying history, you're wrong. the democrats and republican represent the two parties initially present just after the completion of the constitution. they intially represented the ideological divide of federalists and anti-federalists. cburst

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

vothing Democrats has nothing to do with the Anarchy concept you fool

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Tigerama (February 16, 2004)

If conservatism were about smaller government, the "right wing" in America probably wouldn't be trying to strip away reproductive rights and fighting to keep homosexuals from being allowed the same rights to marriage as straights. The "right wing," currently in this country, is about stripping rights from individuals and giving rights to corporations. Oversimplified? Probably. But the conservative "ideology" is a far cry from its current state.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Voting for 3rd parties is a waste of time, the GOP funds loosers in these parties, knowing that they won't win, but take votes away from the Democratic candidates. So yeah, there are more than 2 parites, but only two that matter. Dicks.

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GREG6711 (February 16, 2004)

do you care about consquences or do you care about voting for the best man. If I could have voted in 2000 I wouldn't hesitate, Nader!

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

My thoughts exactly, a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush in the whole scheme of things. But it works 2 ways I think. I believe the independent party is more conservative leaning, it was easier for the democrats to win when Ross Peort was running because he took votes away from the republicans. Those people would have more than likely voted republican if there was no Perot. Sure, people have the right to vote for whoever they want, but if their intentions are to get rid of who is in office, the best bet is to vote one of the major parties. That's what I think anyway.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

What a fucking joke... -BSD

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Wouldnt it be the "punk" thing to not allign yourself to any political party, no matter your personal views? At least, I dont want to associate myself with either parties leaders.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

it would be wonderful no to allign oneself w/ a political party however, i must add that the ultimate goal for most punks is to get george bush out of office.............not to put up some stupid protest vote. those protest votes are the reason why george w. bush won the presidency.......because of ralph nader's 90,000+ votes in florida

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REALPUNX4LIFE (February 16, 2004)

Actually, "conservative" is not a political party. Neither is "punkvoter." Both of them have everything to do, however, with personal views. Boy, the ironing is delicious.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Finally, somebody makes fun of punkvoter. Nobody wants to hear a bunch of shitty stoned out burn outs try and talk politics and blame all there problems on Bush.

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chimericalburst (February 16, 2004)

finally, someone exposes the right for the corporate-interest-led bunch of pansies they are. nobody wants to hear a bunch of washed-up uninformed losers talk politics and blame all their problems on dictators they put into power (Saddam) and terrorists they funded in the 80s (bin Laden) cburst

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

"There" problems? Learn to spell, then post.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Learn the difference between a spelling error an a grammatical error, then post.

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notfeelingcreative (February 16, 2004)

Yeah, this is much better! Moron.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

yeah mike graves thats where i go for an informed policitcal information.

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sloppyblake (February 16, 2004)

yeah! fat mike. that's where i go to get informed political information.

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Someone (February 17, 2004)

At least Fat Mike majored in politics.

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Jon_the_Skafather (February 17, 2004)

i thought it was sociology?

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sloppyblake (February 17, 2004)

i thought it was 'keeping punk rock elite' zing.

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Someone (September 5, 2004)

amen

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Sciulli (February 16, 2004)

Brendan from Larry Arms is writing a rebuttal to Graves article, which slammed his Punk Voter piece. Should be interesting.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Brendan should stick to getting drunk and staying out of politics.

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XmolemanX (February 16, 2004)

He was on form when I saw them open for against me! He encouraged everyone in the audiance to vote, and some guy started yelling 'why vote, lets just install a good leader.' He rebutted with 'well look what happened last time we got a leader the majority didn't vote for.' But they didn't play quincentuple your money, so I wanted to back over him on my bike.

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Someone (February 17, 2004)

your bike. haha

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chimericalburst (February 16, 2004)

websites premised on idiocy within either ideological camp of the punk rock movement make their adherents and their ideologies look like a joke. both punkvoter and conservative punk are laughable. BEING PUNK ROCK MEANS THINKING FOR YOURSELF cburst

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PetroBPettson (February 16, 2004)

No it fucking doesn't. It's always been about fashion and a good time.....all the way back to Iggy and THe Velvets.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

ever heard of the Clash, the Dead Kennedys or Minor Threat???

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Except that Iggy and The Velvet Underground have seniority here... and either way, The Velvet Underground and Stooges were not "good time bands" and the Stooges at least were far from fashionable.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

well obviously they have seniority but no one called either of those earlier bands "punk" or even "proto-punk" until way after the first couple waves of punk

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Yeah. dude. You and your legion of halfwits that stand for nothing tangible got Bush in the Oval Office the first time. Thanks for all of your non-help. Nice anarchy patch, though. I know, I know, it's easier to type on a computer than attend a rally. Dick Cheney's got plans for all of us, but the trustafarians amongst you won't hafta worry 'bout that.

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chimericalburst (February 16, 2004)

what the fuck are you talking about?

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

You name yourself cburst (like that dickhead connor oberst, emo fag). You have no say...

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chimericalburst (February 16, 2004)

for those who can read, its short for chimericalburst, which is a refused reference, idiot.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Furthermore, connor oberst gets a lot more credit for sticking to his strong stance of not playing clear channel venues and not selling out saddle creek, cause the majors are calling. Even if he was "flamingly gay", it would not change my opinion of him. Asshat

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Asshat is slowly becoming my favorite obscenity. Scene points for you for using it!

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dont_think_twice (February 16, 2004)

asshat makes me cringe every time i read it. p.s. i know 50 of you already thought to yourself "haha i will type asshat and he'll have to read it and cringe" you're not clever

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_Sexy_Pants_ (February 16, 2004)

you lose, it's a shortened form of the same thing behind the "by" part of his post

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA - You gotta be kidding me!

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Jesus Christ, is this for real? How does right-wing politics mix with Punk Rock?!?!?! Someone please explain this joke...

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

skrewdriver!!!!

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

zing

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Because punk started as an anti-hippy/left wing movement. Obviously. Anarchy is an extension of conservative/libertarian views. Obviously. It was Reagan that changed things. Obviously. Neocons are still stupid.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Actually, punk wasn't political when it started. And anarchy is a mix between socialist and libertarian views. Its essentially taking both the right and the left to an extreme point.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

I didn't say that punk was political when it started. I said it was a anti-hippy. There's a huge difference. And I wasn't saying that anarchy is definitively libertarian but that anarchy takes aspects of libertarianism to an extreme. All I was saying with that was that it's pretty simple to see how right wing politics can fit into punk rock and anarchy. Deal? Also, this is the realpunx4life, not logged in for some reason.

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Someone (February 28, 2005)

Hmmmm and I thought Punk was about being open minded and "All Inclusive" I guess I was wrong :( ,Scott(A punk/new wave,techno,newage,abstract rock fan AND Bush supporter)

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Aubin (February 16, 2004)

One thing I want to point out is that, having read most of the material on this site, there is very little that is "Conservative" about supporting George W.Bush. Bush can claim some allegiance to social conservatism (i.e. controlling people's private lives) but real conservatism has it's roots in people like Milton Friedman, who I may not agree with, but at least espoused consistent principles. Major budget deficits, first-strike wars, and the drug war fly in the face of the conservative angle of small government, libertarianism, and low taxes. This site would be more properly labeled as "neoconservativepunk" since that's essentially what it's supporting. Most "classic" conservatives are as bothered by Bush as liberals are. Major budget deficits are a major problem, as are huge current account deficits. Both of those have a devastating effect on economic growth. And for the record, t

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chimericalburst (February 16, 2004)

i'm really glad someone has a handle on the terminology that people turn into misnomers and throw around like fucking idiots. word up. oh, good call on the libya point. cburst

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infopunks_network (February 16, 2004)

http://www.conservativesagainstbush.com/

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

I. Non-Imperialist Foreign Policy -- Conservatives Against Bush seeks an end to the Neoconservatives (read: imperialists) in the Defense Department and the Vice President's office control over U.S. foreign policy. Conservatives Against Bush hopes to return the foreign policy reigns back to the Secretary of State and his State Department. II. Fiscal Responsibility -- Conservatives Against Bush opposes the irresponsible 2003 Bush tax cut. Conservatives should be balancing the budget, not saddling future generations with debt. III. Limited Government -- Conservatives Against Bush propounds the idea that government should only do what it has to do, and, therefore, opposes the recent Bush expansion of Medicare or any other further expansion of the welfare state. IV. Civil Liberties -- Conservatives Against Bush is awf

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GregSka (February 16, 2004)

You really put that into perspective better than I ever could. When I was last in Florida I was checking out some of my uncle's literature. I came across an extremely right wing magazine called the New American, and I was surprised to find it was completely anti-Bush. It's pretty strange to think that a lot of America's "right" voters hate George W as much as I do

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

I still don't see why Fat Mike started PunkVoter. Doesn't he realize that no one over the age of 18 buys Fat Music, much less gives a shit what a 40 yeard old with blue hair and a beer gut has to say. Yeah I can already hear it...."he did it to get a good message out"...blah blah What Bush is to America, Fat tits Mike is to Music.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

im over 18 and i still buy fat music

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Sorry to hear that, brah.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

youre right im a just a bro who only cares about fucking drunk chicks at frat parties and getting drunk every night since i said i still buy fat music over the age of 18

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Someone (February 17, 2004)

no way you can be over the age of 19. no way.

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notfeelingcreative (February 16, 2004)

I'm 25 and I love Propagandhi and good riddance go take your overgeneralizations somewhere else!

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

I am 22 and I bought the new Against Me! cd, plus many other Fat cds. And I don't mind fat mike's foray into politics. He may not be the brightest motherfucker, but neither is John Q. Punkrocker. I don't let him tell me what to believe, but it isn't bad to let him point a few things out and help me find my way.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

20 going 21 here and still buying the fat music

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

thanks for the clarification that you're "going on 21", cause i wasn't sure. funny thing though, that's what i did after i turned 20. we must be soulmates!

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

"What Bush is to America, Fat tits Mike is to Music." quote of the fucking year.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

what was the point of adding "fucking" in there?

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chimericalburst (February 16, 2004)

this is the fucking year. there's alot of use of the word fuck this year, not to mention fucking. get with the program. oh, i mean, unless you have some silly archaic fear of four letter words, i mean, what the FUCK cburst

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

boy, what a weak year.

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CrankWillDestroy (February 16, 2004)

seriously

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

I know loads of people who love NOFX who vote and are in political science, including myself

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Doesn't he realize that no one over the age of 18 buys Fat Music, much less gives a shit" idiot. Follow that path with the rest of your sheep. I get it, your post punk now. You've discovered Interpol and that Division of Laura Lee band is pretty "sinister" looking. Instead of you getting your opinions from Alternative Press trying listening to some of Fat's offerings in 2003' Did you hear the last Larry Arms record? How about the None More Black debut? Oh you had the 7 inch cause' it wasn't put out on fat? Good on ya chump! If you haven't heard Against Me "Against the Eternal Cowboy" your just depriving yourself of good music Barkley

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Smashed_Into_Pieces (February 16, 2004)

agreed. fucking indie ellitists. there is nothing wrong with listening to that kind of music but to say it is 'more sophisticated' or 'complex' than punk is just arrogant.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

I'm 26 and buy Fat music, ass.

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musical-monkey (February 16, 2004)

yeah, because no one over 18 bought the new descendents ep i'm sure

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

HAHAHA!!! You fucking yanks are funny!!! I am 38 I don't give a flying fuck about Fat Mike his shit record label and what his shit label puts out!!! I don't have a beer gut and I certainly don't look 38!!! I have never voted never will I am sick and tired of these morons giving you guys the alternative to Bush or whomever does it really matter??? The powers that be will get who the fuck they want in you don't have a choice so wise the fuck up!!!! The problem with a lot of these bands/people are that they have come to my age and older and feel they have the right to shove shit down your throats don't fall for it cause they certainly were not voting way back when!!! It is not an alternative it's the same old shit in a different wrapper!!! It's not punk!!! It's hippie bullshit!!! See ya!!!

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noreply (February 16, 2004)

yeah!!! i totally agree!!! !!!.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

You know, the hippies had some great ideas. For example, "Never Trust Anybody Over 30."

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

I feel that only a moron would quote a fucking hippie!!! Never trust a hippie!!! WANKER!!!

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_Sexy_Pants_ (February 16, 2004)

Shit dude, you're running out of time to actually do something with yourself. This post could be written by an eight year old. In fact, I sincerely hope I won't give a shit about punk message boards when I'm 40.

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Someone (February 17, 2004)

because you will be just everyone else a fucking closet!!!

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Someone (February 17, 2004)

because you will be just like everyone else a fucking closet!!!

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KirbyPuckett (February 16, 2004)

Your comment really got to me, I started to panic! I grabbed my driver's licence and it says I was born on 1/1/83. That would make me 21 and I bought the new Descendents EP. So, I grabbed my box of important documents and I found my birth certificate. It too says I was born on 1/1/83. Something has to be wrong? Because I bought a record that was put out by Fat and my age is greater than 18. Ugh, let me call my Mom real quick, this is driving me insane. My mom has just informed me that my birthdate is infact 1/1/83 and I'm pretty sure she would know more than anybody if that's correct or not. So your theory that no one over the age of 18 buys music put out by Fat is obviously wrong. Perhaps you should restate your little rant into something more along the lines of: Dear Punknews.org readers, I am a pompous asshole who thinks 'assuming' things about

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

kirby i love you -Carl Winslow

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GregSka (February 16, 2004)

I think deciding not to listen to music you enjoyed as a kid is more immature than someone who can listen to whatever they want and not feel as hostile and contemptuous as you obviously do.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Brendan Kelly should kick Michael Graves's ass oh wait that fucker sang in the Misfits so he's prolly huge. Oh well some of the comments made by a certain mr.K on a certain "arms" official site having to do with Mr.Graves having a problem with Kelly's comments on punkvoter ARE HISTARICAL. If I recall a reference was made that involved George W jr. and Graves being pilots of a huge corporation and both "piloting them straight into the ground" Barkley

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AmericanIdle (February 16, 2004)

I don't really like punkvoter or conservativepunk. Oh well.
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GREG6711 (February 16, 2004)

nor do I, if you want intelligent places to discuss things, I don't really want to see the word punk in the title, hehe.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

I can see it now.... "Hi, I'm michale graves. I was the singer of the NewFits for like 2 years, and thats the only thing I've done thats worth half a shit. I used to paint my face and cover myself in blood and sing someone elses songs. now...in this upcoming election..." and then someone reads it and is like "damn...well..the dopey face-paint wearing ex-singer for a washed up punk bands revival attempt says I should vote republican....better do what he says" HAHHAHAHAHAAA....it's just too retarded for words. (and yes, I realize the same could be said for PunkVoter.com's contributers, but I find anyone giving a shit about what michael graves thinks about anything sort of humorus)
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Someone (May 8, 2004)

im actually a fan of michale graves, but i agree with you on the point that who gives a flying about michale graves opinion. i actually mentioned him on my website tho, check it out www.dropoutrecords.net

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

How is Fat Records going to survive if Punkvoter.com is sucessful and throws out Bush? They are going to lose all thay cash coming in from thos "Not My President" Ts.
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MajorThreatOiOi (February 16, 2004)

true...
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Tigerama (February 16, 2004)

They'll just plant John Kerry's picture on a "My President" shirt.
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GREG6711 (February 16, 2004)

I'm going to put a picture of Fat Mike on a "not my president" t-shirt. haha
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toma (February 16, 2004)

that'd actually be a pretty funny shirt.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

theres a picture on the fat site that shows fat employees with shirts that say 'not my boss' with fat mike's face on it. funny.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

or being the hypocrites that they are they will just print out more not my president shirts with kerry's picture on it instead.
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losingstreakCA (February 16, 2004)

how are they hyprocrites? i really would like to know
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Tigerama (February 16, 2004)

that's not really hypocritical. I don't like anyt of the fuckers running for president. Well Kucinich is cool but he's a vegan or something pussy like that. Also he's running for president. Only losers do that.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

At least Punk Voter is showing actual facts every few days about what is really going on. Who cares if Fat Mike started it, 90% of the Punk Heavy-weights support it cause it's true. All Punk-Voter needed was a popular figure like Fat Mike to get it noticed and popular. None of the shit in the news and columns have anything to do with Fat Mike, so quit bitching about Fat Mike. That Conservative Site is pathetic. Everything is about Punk Voter and how un-american they are. They don't even show facts to why we should support Republicans and they totally ignore and disregard the negative facts that Punk Voter has put forth. Instead of debating these facts they just bash Punk Voter with things that have nothing to do with the News Punk Voter puts out
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chimericalburst (February 16, 2004)

really? propagandhi, penny rimbaud/crass, weakerthans, etc. seem notoriously absent. doesn't that tell you something?
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

iT teLLs me They r NoT TRU PUNX
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

two of those bands are canadian and one is english. cant vote.
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GregSka (February 16, 2004)

I'm not trying to prove a point here, but were the Weakerthans ever on Fat Wreck in the first place?
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mRoHio (February 16, 2004)

PunkVoter never had actual hard facts. Their "15 Reasons Why Bush Should Be Out" article is no longer on the site, or was changed because someone wrote an article finding facts proving most of their points wrong. The programs/policies they were complaining about were either started by Clinton or were totally misinterpreted.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

or maybe, just maybe, they took it down cause it had been up there forever and they got new content!

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LushJ (February 16, 2004)

I sent them a friendly e-mail as soon as I heard about them- 2/2/04. I'm one of the listed individuals @ Punk Voter, and I think that even though I strongly disagree with most of their opinions, it's good to have more debate. (I agree with the person above who points out they're "neo-conservative", not "conservative", that's just the beginning of their problems) Unfortunately no answer yet, I am hoping for an intelligent dialog with someone from their site. I posted a news item about their existence on my workplace's site, Alternative Tentacles Records, on 2/2/04 also. Check it out (along with other news) http://alternativetentacles.com We are not afraid of contrary viewpoints, debate and discussion is vital to a thinking, active population. That said, I'm kind of shocked they link to the Drudge Report on

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

the national enquirer has about 500 times more credibility than matt "last one in the democrats pants is a rotten egg!" drudge. he's a fucking hack.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

CHECK THIS OUT: (this was me acting like I care)

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Fuck politics and fuck all of you.

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civperc (February 16, 2004)

FINALLY!!! I am so sick and tired of hearing about Fat Mike's whining and "Rock Against Bush" BULLSHIT. Conservativepunk.com is a breath of fresh air in a liberal-polluted, punk-politics atmosphere.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

you're not punk though
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

No, but he must be a street teamer.
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Imposs1ble (February 16, 2004)

and you're not very original
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Someone (February 17, 2004)

i'm not punk so i'm not going to read any of them
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

how is it "polluted"? I chose my more left-leaning beliefs myself and take full responsibility and pride for them. Sorry to be a "pollutant".
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civperc (February 16, 2004)

I respect that. By polluted I mean to convey the sickly state of radically pro uber-liberal chant slung at every Warped Tour tent, etc. The scene has become so utterly supersaturated with liberal propaganda that variety in educated opinion has become a thing of the past; which I find very unfortunate. When the herd screams (or in this case, cries) in such full unison that intellectual diversity is made obsolete, that over-bearing waste of one-track effort is trash. As of late, my being told I am not or can never be punk due to the fact that I support our president and love my country in full, is an overwhelmingly ridiculous product of a truly ignorant mindset. These days, many "punks" are so hypocritical I find it laughable.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

I support our president and love my country in full just don't forget the two are not mutually exclusive. i think george w. bush is a complete idiot who has run our country into the ground. why do i care? because i love my country.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Please god don't confuse the two. People think that in order to support America / be an American they have to support the president. Don't be a yes-man just becuase you are an American. THAT in and of itself is unamerican. If only people didn't automatically decide that to love your country you have to love your president. That idea is definitly being lost in this whole debate. And yes, George Bush is an arrogant prick. Tax-cuts for the rich!! YAY!
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Do you like skrewdriver or one life crew?
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dazed (February 16, 2004)

It's the same thing, in fact, I think it's even worse in terms of telling people how to vote. It's just for the other party. If you look at it from a more neutral point of view, you'd realize that another side doing the same crap isn't better. That was the problem with punkvoter (created in response to the media suddenly treating the government as though they were above reproach) and this pathetic counter-retort hasn't even become at least somewhat more interesting and diverse like punkvoter gradually has. I don't think it will either. There's not enough support for the idea, because it's fairly contradictory. (I'm a punk, I decide for myself... Why yes, I think the government can be trusted with the power to revoke my rights without having to prove anything in a court of law)
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GREG6711 (February 16, 2004)

Kinda funny punks are loaded on liberal stuff Indies are loaded on conversativism.
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notfeelingcreative (February 16, 2004)

Good for you! Why don't you join the military? Then, when Bush does get reelected you can go fight his next war for him and get shot full of holes! Or murder people you've never met for the sake of profit, oh i'm sorry I mean "liberating" them!!

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

HERE IS BRENDEN KELLY'S (LAWRENCE ARMS) RESPONSE TO CONSERVATIVEPUNK.COM AND GRAVES' COLUMN: So, on to more serious topics, I got a call the other day from Fat. It was Toby. Now, Toby is this bizarre little man covered with boils and shit and he’s kind of weird. He runs the web page and does some other stuff and his breath smells like dead chickens, but since this is a phone conversation that we’re talking about here, that’s neither here nor there. “Hi Toby” I said. “Good afternoon, Master” Toby responded (he calls everyone master for some reason) “There’s something that I think you should know about. It seems, master, that there’s a new website up for conservative punk rockers that has been put up as a response to punkvoter.” “Conservative Punk Rockers?” I said, befuddled. “Well shit, Toby. It must reall

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Exactly. Kelly sums it up perfectly. I hope all those greedy-close minded conservative read this, especially this part: "I mean, if some kid can listen to a top ten pop song that sounds just like the other 9 top ten pop songs, support the regime occupying the white house, comb his gentleman’s Mohawk down into a respectable hairdo when it’s time for school and still call himself a punk, then it really has nothing at all to do with the ideas and ideals that got me into this whole thing when I was a kid"
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

I'm sick and tired of Graves bashing. I dig Mike's work, even his solo stuff. I don't agree with what he had to say, but if you're gonna reply, maybe try responding to what he had to say instead of poking fun at him and making our side look ignorant. dont be the liberal bill o'reilly
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

--huh. I mean, if some kid can listen to a top ten pop song that sounds just like the other 9 top ten pop songs, support the regime occupying the white house, comb his gentleman’s Mohawk down into a respectable hairdo when it’s time for school and still call himself a punk, then it really has nothing at all to do with the ideas and ideals that got me into this whole thing when I was a kid-- This is what I was trying to say. It's so true and it makes me sick that Conservatives that claim they are Punk, come on sites like these and try telling True Punks how they are wrong.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Yeah, sick to my stomach man. How dare they steal your word, your music, and how fucking DARE they decide to have a different opinion thatn you. UP DA TRU PUNXXXXX
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

idiot. I'm 22 and I'm going to major in Political Science and I know the history of Punk Rock down to the core. Continue to support Bush you moron
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

HAHA you think I support Bush. You would think a person of your clearly superior intellect would understand how to read. Take your "Punk Rock history" and shove it to the core of your anal cavity.
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_Sexy_Pants_ (February 16, 2004)

you know, I barely ever laugh at the stuff I read on punknews but you, sir, need to register so that I can recognize your greatness
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

I'd like to see what Popular Punk Rockers actually post a column on the conservativepunk.com site. So far, they have nothing because their site and ideals are nothing.
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CrankWillDestroy (February 16, 2004)

I can't believe that they will have anyone worth mentioning on that site.
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CrankWillDestroy (February 16, 2004)

*can't imagine my drunk-ass fault.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

"“Conservative Punk Rockers?” I said, befuddled. “Well shit, Toby. It must really just be all about the clothes and the belts at this point, huh. I mean, if some kid can listen to a top ten pop song that sounds just like the other 9 top ten pop songs, support the regime occupying the white house, comb his gentleman’s Mohawk down into a respectable hairdo when it’s time for school and still call himself a punk, then it really has nothing at all to do with the ideas and ideals that got me into this whole thing when I was a kid. You know what Toby. Let’s give those fucking Simple Plan listening, Paul Wolfowitz supporting, spiky belt wearing conservative kids the word “punk”. " A PLUS! Brilliant line. I agree. A similar article was published in the paper a few weeks ago here. Saying that it'd rather give Ashton Kutcher "punk" than NFG, MXPX, Simple Plan, or GC... -BSD
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InaGreendase (brian) (February 16, 2004)

Brendan is hi-fucking-larious. [no sarcasm]
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GREG6711 (February 16, 2004)

Bush has my vote.
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_Sexy_Pants_ (February 16, 2004)

Yeah this is funny shit, but he doesn't say a single thing. He's bashing conservatism by pairing it with kids being poseurs, and we all hate poseurs. I hate Bush and conservatives and I think Brendan's great, but this article didn't prove shit. Half of it was just laughing at the author of the rebuttal (though once again, the misfits are a pretty funny joke). If punk was historically homophobic, would you support gay marriage? There's nothing wrong with a convservative punk, and thinking otherwise is just as close-minded as conservatism, and I realize the irony in that statement.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

i think that's kind of his response announcing he will really respond later. just letting everyone know he saw it.
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Tigerama (February 17, 2004)

if punk was historically homophobic most of us wouldn't be punks.
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Someone (March 25, 2004)

i think this whole conservative punk thing is a joke. punk shouldnt be about clothes or music when it gets down to it. punk is a matter of going against the norm and wat the norm is in this case is a capatalist government. And when michael graves said that he dosnt understand why its so hard to beleive why a conservative punk would exist because most punk scenes are in conservative countries it was ridiculous. the reason why thats true is because the "punks" of the conservative country hate it so there are more of them. i pretty much lost all respect for graves for being such an idiot. conservative punk is the worst oxymoron i have ever heard.

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PetroBPettson (February 16, 2004)

I'll bet The Bodies start doin' shit for this site(and when I mean shit, I mean SHIT). They are one of the only tollerabel conservative punk bands out there. I'll bet the Anti-heros are down(if they still exist) with this too. Politics with no humor(and both most Christian rock and right wing punk bands severely lack humor....or good humor anyway) usually equals shit music. Same works for ultra serious lefties too. Anyway, I'm sure con-punk's site'll be plagued with lots of mockery, and probably disappear after the election anyway.
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chimericalburst (February 16, 2004)

You're forgetting one life crew. Clevo represent. Republican hardcore for life cburst
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PetroBPettson (February 16, 2004)

Yeah, but is their music good? I mean The Bodies and occasionally, the Anti-heros, write decent songs if you ignore the words.
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chimericalburst (February 16, 2004)

thats cool and all, but i was kidding, olc r fuckin fascists
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

I don't even like the Bodies... -BSD

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Conservative Punk? What an oxymoron. "To encourage youth voters to draw there own conclusions rather than indoctrinate them into a certain way of thinking." A site called "CONSERVATIVEPunk.com" has nothing to do with a certain way of thinking. Clearly. "So called intellectuals like Noam Chomsky who has so often revealed himself as a friend of holocaust deniers and anti-semites like Robert Faurisson(1)" An anti-semite holocaust denier has a left wing Jewish intellectual as a friend.hmmm. "(Michael Moore)who promotes a socialistic society having become a media millionaire in the capitalist society he so wants to change" I fail to see the problem. Attack actual left-wing arguments instead of the life and wonders of left-wingers. ConservativePunk said it best- "The sense of logic is mind boggling."
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Michael Moore uses his money for his projects and charity and there is a difference between social democracy and socialism. There can be a balance between making your fair share of money and out of control corporate profiteering.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

you know its funny how he lists one of the sources of punk conservatism as a prominent glue sniffer...(johnny ramone for the slower crowd)
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

i've always had a theory that doing drugs at some point turns you conservative

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Just a few of the bands that are left wing and support Punk Voter: Sick Of It All Youth Brigade Against Me Thrice Against All Authority Swingin Utters Wayne Kramer Rise Against The Ataris Strung Out Tool Subhumans S.T.U.N. Alkaline Trio Bad Religion Suicide Machines Propagandhi RX Bandits Tilt Bruce Springstein Rocket From The Crypt Descendents Paint It Black No Use For A Name Pennywise NOFX AKA's Audio Karate Autopilot Off Mighty Mighty Bosstones Foo Fighters BOuncing Souls Lagwagon Circle Jerks Goldfinger T(I)NC The Offspring Anti-Flag Good Riddance Green Day Dead Kennedys Sage Francis Dillinger Four Strike Anywhere Thursday Joe Strummer Lawrence Arms The Unseen The Used F-Minus Rancid Guttermouth Dropkick Murphys Leftover Crack Less Than Jake Like I said, it's just a few... I could name you another 50 but it takes too long to type. And Yes, all of these bands have said they suppor

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PetroBPettson (February 16, 2004)

Ant-Heros(and most skinhead street punk), THe Bodies, and, well, all those shit racist bands like Max Resist.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

I don't know about skinhead bands. The Dropkick Murphys are a "working-class" punk/oi! band and they are just an example as to how they don't support the right. Most Skins are lower-class and support left wing politics because Liberals do more to help the poor and working-class than Republicans. If you're talking about White-Power Skinhead bands, well they are Right-Wing for sure.
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Tigerama (February 16, 2004)

skinheads are cool. They're anti-facist and neat. Boneheads are bad fucking seeds though. Fuckin' morons. Also that one guy forgot Death in June.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

That's awesome. I heard that the C Jerks once played a Young Republicans Club meeting as a joke. Great band. And when it comes to FUN hardcore, you can't beat their first 3 albums. -BSD
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LushJ (February 16, 2004)

That was one of the weird things I mentioned when I e-mailed them 2 weeks ago. How can they tout Johnny Ramone as a conservative punk icon (in at least 2 of their columns) while never mentioning well-known leftist and vocalist Joey Ramone? Heck, that political split contributed to tension within the Ramones for years, right?
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Both Dee Dee Ramone & Joey Ramone were liberals. The song "Bonzo Goes to Bitburg" was written about then-president Ronald Reagan's visit to Germany's Bitburg cemetery, which was the site of many Nazi graves. The song title was later changed around to "My Brain Is Hanging Upside Down" before the album was released due to protests from Johnny Ramone.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

and it was the only political song the ramones ever did the rest of the time they sang about girls, horror movies, and glue so really they cant even get a guy from a political band to support thier site
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

T(I)NC?!? That's hilarious. How much more establishment can you get than voting?
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GREG6711 (February 16, 2004)

Bad Religion is more conservative on some issues than you'd think. They realize the stupidness of the masses. Also, about T(I)NC, they are clearly anti-democrat, they don't like bush, but I can gaurantee, they are further left than Kucinich.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Joe Strummer is dead, you dickhead. He died a year and a half ago. I guess he manages to support punkvoter from the grave....
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Joe Strummer is left, but I think what he meant to say was that the Mescaleros support Punk Voter
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Bruce Springstein and Wanye Cramer are the only ones there who give the site any real credibility. And credibility is very important here people.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

His name is Springsteen, people.
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Tigerama (February 16, 2004)

No not that one. Bruce Springstein runs lights on Tool's tours. He's jewish.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

they're automatically credible cause they aren't punk bands right?
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Yes. Because they have mainstream acceptance and aren't going to be viewed as a couple of idealistic kids, or washed up drug addicts (Fat Mike)despite Wayne Kramer's past.
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Someone (February 18, 2004)

Bruce springsteen is a conservative? That's strange considering the fact he wouldn't let Reagan use the song "born in the USA" for his campaign in the 80s.
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sloppyblake (February 16, 2004)

you forgot blink182.

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MajorThreatOiOi (February 16, 2004)

Hey I checked out Ben Weasels site as recomended on the conservitive punk site, and all Ben could talk about was the fucking Yankees aquiring A-rod, while i love his music (screeching weasel), I dont see any type of connection between a fucking huge sports team getting some over-rated player so the team can rake in more money selling $3 hats for $25, and how our government is going to make sure that our public schools stay staffed and open. This site, to me, seems to be fuled by a need to be heard, but in the end some people shouldnt talk.

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CrankWillDestroy (February 16, 2004)

Conserva-punks. Ha.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Conservative and punk? You better believe it. Last time I checked, being pissed about the gov't didn't require you to be a flaming leftie or Greenie. Especially when you're a conservative/libertarian like me and hate it when gov't wastes money on farm subsidies, crappy arts funding, taxes away everything when you die (the estate tax--look it up), puts all of us captive in Social Security that can't even pay out everything we pay in to it, restricts school choice so that you're stuck in shitty schools, and burdens businesses and individuals with excessive taxes/regulations that less jobs and more unemployment is created. Maybe you think I should be pissed about the things you wanna be pissed about. That's not really punk to be--that's kinda conformist. Y'know Fat Mike didn't invent punk rock. Just as Al Gore did not invent the internet. Punk rock was an outgrowth of s

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civperc (February 16, 2004)

Right on dude, RIGHT FUCKING ON. I wish I could meet more people like yourself in this "scene".
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

nazi skinhead scene?
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Lame.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

"Just as Al Gore did not invent the internet" This was another right wing lie made up and repeated by the media. Way to go repeating it yourself!
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dazed (February 16, 2004)

Because a major tenet of this "Neo-Conservatism" is a crackdown on guaranteed freedoms (see: the Patriot Act). I understand diversity, and I fully embrace views from libertarianism to fairly involved socialism. However, trading freedom for anything cannot be viewed as punk in any respect. Inevitably the lack of freedom will do more to curb diversity and stifle any community of people who rely on freedom to be different, such as punks. You didn't say anything wrong, but you probably didn't look at that piss-poor excuse for a site either. It falls in line with the worst ideas of the current administration with just as little valid justification for its arguments than punkvoter, if not less. There's nothing "punk" about giving the nation-state more control over your life, and if there's some giant contingency of kids who believe that I'm inclined to say fuck them.
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dazed (February 16, 2004)

And to address another one of your points, if the punk scene does seem too homogeneously united right now, it's because the rest of the fucking country is so far off the fucking scope in supporting the government that they demand no oversight. I'd like to think it's punk community's encouragement of critical and nonconformist views that is making people unite against attacks on their freedom, even if it's under an admittedly sometimes overreaching and cloying set of beliefs.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

I respect your post, but the reason why 9/10 of the punk bands are left wing is because the right-wing is wrong. Explain War, Military Spending, Cut-backs on programs to help the homeless, lower-class and minorities. Explain anti-homosexuality, Explain the kyoto accord and not caring about the Environment. Think about exploiting 3rd world countries for a stronger American economy, explain tax cuts to help the rich become even more rich and powerful....
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

If you see punk like partisan politics, then you'll never understand.
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MajorThreatOiOi (February 16, 2004)

W3rd to this argument, its all true, and makes you think that some people coughcoughmichaelgravescoughcough should be kept 1000 yards from any computer connected to the internet.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Explain not giving a shit about a dictator who maintains control of his country by feeding his critics and their families threw meat grinders. -A free thinking Florida punk
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Exactly why I'd like Bush to explain his support for the dictators of Saudi Arabia.
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dignin (February 16, 2004)

That has NOTHING to do with why we went to Iraq. And if you think that's the reason you're a dumbass. It's actually pretty funny how Bush shut up about al queda connections and WMD's as soon as we had "control" of the counrty.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Getting Saddam out of power was definitley a postive from the War in Iraq, I'm not questioning that. Something good had to come from it. The point is, the whole reason about attacking Iraq was WMD and the link to 911. It was a lie cause there was none. The Iraq invasion was planned before Bush was even elected and they wanted to carry it out. If the whole war was about Saddam, they should of said that. What about 911 and Osama? There were way more brutal dictators in the world than saddam. Just look at North Korea and and all of the African nations in civil war. What was the reason for spending all of this time, money, death and killing on Iraq, which clearly was not a threat to the world. What about Bush's support for other dictators (Saudi Arabria) and even Saddam a few decades back? It's all about money and power and that is wrong.
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GREG6711 (February 16, 2004)

The Shins said it best "we are a brutal kind" dems, republicans, americans - everyone. That explains to me the selfishness of our selfish beings.
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LushJ (February 16, 2004)

If you've been around for so long, you've probably noticed the political slant of 95% of the punk bands who specifically mention politics is left-wing, if not radical leftist. Please don't suggest that a left-wing bent to punk rock is "sudden", because it's not. Also, a lot of "non-political" bands are political in action and thought if not in lyrics- tolerating funny hair and scruffy clothes was NOT fashionable, let alone acceptable for right-wingers (or centrists) in the 80s- let alone tolerance for lesbians, gays, bisexuals, goths, mopey indie rockers like The Cure, The Smiths, Joy Division, Tones On Tail, Depeche Mode, etc. (I'm not saying all these bands were/are "punk", just that they were strongly related). So stop pretending "Fat Mike invented left-wing politics in punk", because it's clearly not true. Look to ABC No Rio (and all the related bands like Born Against and Nausea),

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

anarchy is by definition as far left as it goes
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chimericalburst (February 16, 2004)

honestly, you're absolutely right. yours is the conservative opinion that needs to be heard, but on the contrary, as aubin noted, modern conservatisim so to speak, as with conservativepunk more accurately reflects necoconservatism and not the libertarianism of which you speak. all of your points about punk rock were right on. make your own website, as a real opposition to punkvoter. cburst
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

The Left-Wing's ideals are more humane and promote more equality. We look at the bigger picture and see how the government's decisions really affect people, not only in the country, but how our decisions affect the world. We're not about making the USA the most powerful economic and militaristic country in the world at all costs. We like to look to the future and make decisions that will be positive in the long run. Conservatives like to press buttons right away, without looking at the consequences. We're morally superior because are life isn't about greed and power.
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GREG6711 (February 16, 2004)

what a joke. Liberals are responsible for the ghettoes, they are responsible for the crime in America. They give out money, and that just starts all that inner city crap/
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dignin (February 16, 2004)

How are they responsiple for crime? Ever watch Roger and Me? In the 80's GM cut off thousands of jobs in Flint Michigan so they could pay Mexican workers peenies a hour. Then the crime rate in FLint soared to the highest in the counrty. Do you think that if the government had some sort of safety net for these people the crime would have raised like it did?
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CrankWillDestroy (February 17, 2004)

You've obviously never gotten out of your cul-de-sac and seen the inner city.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

punk-left wing nazi skinheads-right wing it seems to me that you're in denyal, but maybe you are in the wrong social group.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Anybody who makes the argument that Republican/Conservative/Right Wing = Nazi skinhead should be banned from the site for stupidity. Sincerely, -A Frineldy Neighborhood Pinko (That means Left-Winger, idiot)
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notaclevername (February 16, 2004)

well, one reason that schools are especially shitty right now is a program by the name of "no child left behind," one of the the most nefarious schemes with a euphemistic name to be foisted upon the American people in a while
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

That's all the same feelings I have, but could never have expressed so beautifully as you have. I'm sick of this punkvoter rock against bush shit. no one has any good reason as to why they dont like bush. anyone i ask about it just says "he's an idiot" or "he's a dumbass" or "i dont know he's just stupid." In any case, i am conservative. Today, being presidents day, i am especially pissed off. I had school today. apparently the university at buffalo feels Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur are more important than Veteran's day, columbus day, or prseidents day. Now, i am not anti-semitic or racist or anything like that, but i do feel that our important national holidays need to be honored. My grandpa fought and died in WWII and for veterans day not to be honored is just a slap in the face.
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Someone (March 8, 2004)

"... conservative/libertarian[s] like me ... hate it when gov't ... taxes away everything when you die (the estate tax--look it up)." hey shithead, the estate tax affects about 2% of the population--only those worth more than $3M when they die. The myth that it affects any more than that is just that, a myth. I'm not going to ignore you because you're challenging me (you're not). I'm going to ignore you because your argument doesn't sound like your own. Punk is about finding your own voice and a community of minds that are the same only in the sense that those minds are all liberated from the vision of conformity--It's not about adopting someone else's lies or mischaracterizations. As long as you think giving yourself a label (like "conservative/libertarian") somehow helps us believe or even care about what you have to say, you have an audience of one.

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Someone (September 16, 2005)

Thank you for the info!

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Conservative punk????

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

punks conservative????

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Jimmy_the_Saint (February 16, 2004)

"Doesn't he realize that no one over the age of 18 buys Fat Music, much less gives a shit" Perhaps. But someday these individuals will be able to vote in a general election. Young voter apathy needs to be dealt with as much as possible.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Another anti-Punkvoter site -- PunkvoterLies.blogspot.com --Stacey
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

I *love* the argument: If the Iraq war was waged for oil, then why am I still paying $1.67/gallon for gas? If gas dropped down to $0.49/gallon wouldn't that be blatanly obvious? - Kirbo
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

So stupid....Instead of "If the Iraq war was waged for oil, then why am I still paying $1.67/gallon for gas?" How about " If the Iraq war was waged to liberate the Iraqis and instore democracy, then " and proceed to list the long line of hypocracies and double standards that most of us would be familiar with.
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Someone (February 17, 2004)

that doesn't answer the "1.67 for gas" question need better argument
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Someone (February 18, 2004)

hey man, if you really need a better argument, look up articles on sites like Zmag, Counterpunch, or stuff by John Pilger, Howard Zinn, Michael Parenti, Chomsky of course, Tariq Ali....but if you cant be stuffed then you'll keep on thinking that they bombed Iraq for peace,liberty,justice, democaracy or whatever other descriptions which induce orgasms to blinded gung ho Americans.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

I love how that douche bag quotes Johnny Ramone saying that Punk should be right wing, fuck the ramones. I never thought as highly about those guys as everyone else did, the ramones are the MOST overrated band ever, they beat Nirvana, ABBA, and Sex Pistols by a landslide.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Please don't think Johnny represents the views of all the Ramones members. There was quite a bit of conflicting ideas and political opinions in that band. Johnny Ramone can only speak for himself. -adam
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

I still don't enjoy the ramones at all. And if you're a conservative punk, doesn't that make you a skin head?
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

You should stop posting on this thread before you reveal your density any further.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Your opinion on the Ramones music is your own, just don't assume the opinions of one member of a band apply to all of them, especially after two have died and have no ability to say otherwise. -adam

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

http://www.bushflash.com/ihr.html

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

From Merriam-Webster online: punk rock Function: noun : rock music marked by extreme and often deliberately offensive expressions of alienation and social discontent conservatisme Function: noun : disposition in politics to preserve what is established
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

I know there's no "e" at the end of conservatism (except in french)...
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- (February 16, 2004)

Punknews.org Word of the Day spu·ri·ous adj. 1. Lacking authenticity or validity in essence or origin; not genuine; false. 2. Of illegitimate birth. -defintion courtesy of dictionary.com- reminding you how "punk rock" it is, to look up "punk rock" in the dictionary -

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Yeah, well I found an even better take on why Conservative Punk and Punk Voter both suck here.
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mRoHio (February 16, 2004)

Very nice article.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Crappy article.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Q:What do you call conservative/right wing punk? A:Nazi Skinhead
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

I can't wait for someone to make a song called "Conservative Punks Fuck Off!"
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Well, not necessarily a nazi skin head, but that's really all conservative punks are is skin heads.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

In trying to get Bush out of office, does he have a better solution. These guys aren't democrats, they're liberals who see a greater reason to remove Bush and work from there. There are a millions reasons that all come together and explain the importance and timing of this site and they're not all what bad things Bush has done. Besides, this guy is a libertarian. Haha
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Nazi skinheads and others of similar ilk cant really be called conservative. Many of their beliefs are fascist and extreme and have nothing to do with maintaining traditions of the past, which is part of what conservatism is.
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Someone (February 17, 2004)

Traditions of the past? You mean like US bombing other countries for no valid reason? I get ya.
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Someone (February 18, 2004)

haugh haugh... Being a racist does not disposition you to be in favour of the US "bombing other countries for no valid reason". Go to a white supremacist/nationalist site and most likely they will be against the US government, including its bombing of Iraq and other countries.

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SOYBOMB (February 16, 2004)

"“Oh man, this is gonna be great. It’s going to be just like a battle rap played out on an electronic stage, but instead of questioning each other’s sexuality and the chastity of our mothers, it’s gonna be all partisan sloganeering and jargon.”" It was at that point from Brendan's article that I shit my pants from laughter. How I love The Lawrence Arms. Peace, -SOYBOMB-
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GREG6711 (February 16, 2004)

Brendan, he is witty, but what does he have to back himself up. It's funny at first, but when you really read it for content...it's sad.
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SOYBOMB (February 16, 2004)

I've spoken to him in person on about five or six occasions, trust me, the man knows of what he speaks. Though his writing may just seem to be witty and incendiary, lacking substance, when it comes down to it, he is a smart individual who perpetuates his beliefs in a humorous manner. Peace, -SOYBOMB-
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GREG6711 (February 16, 2004)

I can't say I take your word on it, but I really can't say i'm right ever. i'll agree to one thing though, the Lawrence Arms make great music

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

did anyone else notice that in the logo for conservative punk there is a nautical star which is a well known symbol for communism?
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

communism's symbol is the hammer and sickle
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

communism has much more than one symbol dumbass
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

look at the chinese flag, you see a hammer and sickle on that?
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

the hammer and sickle is Russian communism's symbol, since the the industrial working class(the traditional marxist proletariat) was not very big in Russia at the time of the Russian Revolution so the Bolsheviks used the sickle to represent the rural peasants, who were a much larger group at the time.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

its also the symbol for emo. coservativepunk.com? sounds more like communistposer.com to me!!!11!one

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jumpstartrecords (February 16, 2004)

opinions are like assholes...everyone's got one and they all smell like shit. use your head and think for yourself. don't let either website distort your views and keep in mind, regardless of what either site (or political party for that matter) says, they all have their own agenda. some are just a bit more open about it than others.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

What punk needs is a website that reports the facts without bias and then gives people a place to peacefully and intelligently debate the topics of interest. No conservative bias, no liberal bias, just facts. My parents are conservative, a majority of the people I know are convservative, heck most of the people on my college campus are conservative, but I'm an independent moderate. I think for myself. I make my own decsions. Bush has done some good things and has done some pretty stupid things. All of you need to suck it up and admit that Bush isn't all bad or all good. Same with Fat Mike and whoever is in charge of this conservative site. No one is all good and all bad. Use a filter to filter out the bad. Think for yourself and do not judge others just because they don't think just like you. On another note: All the bands that support these sites have very little t

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

The only good things Bush has done are the Do Not Call List, and being tough on Israel, other than that he's the biggest fuck up ever. But I do agree with you that Blood Brothers rock.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

haha, you think he's been tough on Israel. What planet are you living on?
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notfeelingcreative (February 16, 2004)

I don't think anyone will argue that some of Bush's ideas seem well intentioned i.e. money for education etc. I just think the bad outweighs the good!
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Bush and money for education are an oxymoron. My school system can't even provide enough books for students.
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Someone (February 17, 2004)

Look at the No Child Left Behind Act and tell me Bush cares about education. (I will admit I am biased, being a teacher and all, but Bush is killing schools and teacher creativity.)
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SOYBOMB (February 16, 2004)

"Think for yourself and do not judge others just because they don't think just like you." And then, "All the bands that support these sites have very little to zero talent/originality. They all sound about the same which is very conformist and therefore very non-punk to me. Listen to The Blood Brothers." Well done, you've not only managed to contradict yourself, but you also plugged a band at the same time. Peace, -SOYBOMB-
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AmericanIdle (February 16, 2004)

You are funny.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

nice fucking post dude. i pretty much feel the same way
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KirbyPuckett (February 16, 2004)

Dear Anonymous, You sure do post a lot these days. On another note: All the bands that support these sites have very little to zero talent/originality. They all sound about the same which is very conformist and therefore very non-punk to me. These generalized comments that you have made and other people will continue to make are lame, give it up. The bands obviously have talent, just because you do not like the genre does not mean that all the talent that the bands posess disappears. Get over yourself. Love, Kirby
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Someone (February 19, 2004)

Sorry for posting without a user name. I've never felt the need to. If you would like to contact me my name is Mark and my email is mark@buzzgrinder.com In response to some of your rebuttals: My statement on zero talent may be a judgement our of personal taste I am sorry if that made myself contrdictory, but they do like originality. That is fact. They do all have the same basic sound. That is fact. The No Child Left Behind Act is a good idea in theory, but in the end kills education. It makes Bush look good until you look at what actually happens. But in interest of being fair he also did a good job of handling the initial (notice the initial - He did crap after a month or two) 9/11 panic.
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Someone (February 19, 2004)

"They do all have the same basic sound." That is why they are in the same genre. The same can be said for any genre of music. That is what makes the genre. "they do like originality. That is fact" 'lack' do you mean?. YOu lumped in too many bands for that staement to be "fact". I suspect your pre-conceived notions of 'punk' (simple, boring etc) have blinded you to the genius of bands like Dead Kennedys.
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Someone (February 20, 2004)

Punk should be anything but simple and boring. Real punk is not. I personally have never gotten into the Dead Kennedys. They just aren't my jam, but I recognize that they are very good. Genius? I definitely do not know enough to say for sure. Did I make a huge generalization when I said they all lack originality? yes I did. But I challenge you to find any band that Fat Mike has had anything to do with that has originality that has come out in the past 5 years or so. But in all honesty this isn't about the bands, it's about what punk rock is now becoming. It stopped being about thinking for yourself and started becoming a set of ideology that is "punk." I am suspious of anyone who claims to be punk and then proceeds to try and force their opinions down my throat. Some complain about Christian bands doing that, but Fat Mike is just as bad, only he'll say 'fuck,' so t

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notaclevername (February 16, 2004)

this is interesting (even though i am pretty liberal on most accounts) i don't really buy the hackneyed Johnny Ramone argument about dependence on government, handouts, etc., though being dependent on government, which we elect (that is, more effectively if we really involve ourselves in the process), is a lot better than being at the mercy of corporations (which we DON'T elect) --sorry about the grammar there anyone else listening to the Pagans? not too bad, i'd say

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Jacobe (February 16, 2004)

Let's get back the real issue at hand, Graves was a singer for Misfits and is not Danzig. This there for negates anything he has/will say.

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AmericanIdle (February 16, 2004)

All of you saying "Conservative has no place in punk" is as stupid, short-sighted and blindly exclusionary as them saying "Liberal has no place in punk". On another note, I find Andrew Wilkow's article hilarious. He's railing against Green Day for playin Clear Channel venues, yet he used to be a DJ for Radio 104, "Connecticut's Modern Rock Station" before it became a rap station.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Please explain the correlations between Punk music and Conservatives? I'm quite interested to learn...
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AmericanIdle (February 16, 2004)

I, personally, am very far from conservative (I'd consider myself a Green, if anything). But this elitst, exclusionary "fuck anyone conservative" attitude has to stop, as does the "fuck liberals" attitude displayed on conservativepunk.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

graves never had any credability anyway, he's a good singer but never any bussines in trying to claim to being "the misfits"
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Someone (February 17, 2004)

duh - claim? he WAS a misfit. why does he not have credibility? so then does doyle and jerry only not have any business "claiming" they were the misfits because they were in the band with him? retarded. i guess you can say that any person who has replaced someone else in a band has no right to "claim" to be a member...
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sloppyblake (February 17, 2004)

yeah except the fact he was in the band called The Misfits.........

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

dog shit > nader.
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AmericanIdle (February 16, 2004)

Wrong.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

oh so true

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Boo!

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Conservative Punk = Oxymoron Moron

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

I was reading today that if John Kerry gets elected he will be the third richest president ever (Inflation included)
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

He isnt rich, its his wife, she loaded like whoa!
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Yeah, she's super rich cause of the Heinz Ketchup.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

I wonder where Benji and Joel find the time to study politics, I guess in the limo on the way to shoot a cover for Teen People, how very punk. - Andrew Wilkow I thought this was pretty funny. the rest of his column was shit though
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

its kindof funny, but definitly an immature cheap shot. like the conservativepunk.coms representatives are so much more well read since theyre all nonames/washed up.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Maybe now that you're all fired up some of you will actually vote.
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GREG6711 (February 16, 2004)

Gotta go for the extremes I'll take the Greens, or Bush. I just don't like democrats in office, they are too complacent. hehe I mean, on a less serious note, do you think John Kerry will be a fun president?
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Unfortunately I don't think Kerry can beat Bush.
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Tigerama (February 16, 2004)

"I just don't like democrats in office, they are too complacent." I'm with you 100%. If Nader's running, I'll vote for him. If not, I'll voite fopr Pat Robertson, and if he isn't, it's Bush. I live in Texas so it's not like my vote counts for shit anyway.
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Someone (February 17, 2004)

yea sometimes i feel like i'm just throwing my vote away but i'm tired of people saying, "young people don't vote"

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

I didn't get into the scene because of my rebellious nature or my desire for change or anything remotely along those lines. I honestly felt that people cared about each other and the musicians cared about their music blah blah blah so I don't really know much about the political stances of the scene. My question is, for all these "punk is about anti-establishment" people, if Al Gore had won the election, would punkvoter.com be rocking against Gore?
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

no because Gore is a humanatarian
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

no, probably not, but you bring up a good point if kerry wins the election, punkvoter should stay on top of their shit despite your political views, they have done a great job of checking up on the government and they should continue to do so

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

bullshit. there's only so much that can go under the banner of one subculture, and historically there has never been room for right-wingers in punk rock. that's just the way it is. if you want to listen to the same style of music but have completely different lifestyles and political views, call it something other than punk.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

im not some conservo-punk but: "historically there has never been room for right-wingers in punk rock" What does that mean? "if you want to listen to the same style of music but have completely different lifestyles and political views, call it something other than punk." Punk is not inherently political, and furthermore not inherently left or right. It makes just as much sense to identify with "punk" (basically, being against the staus quo, no?) and express socialist views as it is to express fascist racist views. They both go against the existing order.

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faintedlife (February 16, 2004)

What's even more pathetic is the link to Rush Limbaugh's radio station in their links section... Punkvoter.com +60 points. Conservativepunk.com -120 points.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

I think Chimerical Burst might be, like, the punkest dude ever. Totally. Look at his cool AOL profile: Name:Dik Rose - Devastatingly Handsome, Punk Motherfvcker, Self-Congratulatory, and though its painfully obvious Cooler Than You Location: The land of the ever so free, home of the oh so brave? How about an up-and-coming member of the FTAA? You know, that rockin' collusion of repressive governments and irresponsible corporations? Gender: Male Marital Status: your mom can't get enough of me Hobbies & Interests: guitar, skateboarding, protesting the fascist corporate rape of the world, fvcking sh|t up, and writing with white out... Favorite Gadgets: "The story book's been read, and every line believed. The curriculum's been set, logic is a threat reason searched and siezed." Occupation: good music: Dead Kennedys, Against All Authority, NoFX, Bad Relgion, Knapsack, The Ataris, Weezer, Saves

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

you could say someone's a hypocrite for having aol, but it doesn't have anything to do with the strength of their political views. if you want to prove someone wrong you have to attack one of their actual arguments, not their musical taste or whatever it may be.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Oh, since you're all so nebby, what's my AOL profile say? I haven't touched AOL in the longest time, however my parents still use it. Thank God. Cause I can keep my screen name. 'KirbyPuckett'
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FortyMinutesWest (February 16, 2004)

Haha nebby. Oh those crazy yinzers...
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KirbyPuckett (February 17, 2004)

That's right, that's a PGH word...shit. - Kirby
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

oh my, that must've been from a long time ago... and his name's DIACK! - janeandfinch
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

Yo, seriously, "chimericalburst" in real life likes to hug puppies and really jocks THE BAHA MEN in a totally unironic way. When's he's not pulling siiiiiiick moves on his razor scooter, he's rockin' Phil Collins licks on his "killer axe".... dude! He even scratches his nuts in public through his pants pocket all discreet-like, and you'd be all, "yo, c-burst, you digging for some change?" And he'll be all, "Nah, man." And you'll know. He doesn't know, but you do. Motherfucker even does it while crossing the street. You think motorists are dumb motherfuckers? You don't even know. Montreal motorists may not know how to operate a motor VEHICLE, per se, but they know when a god-damn Clevo jew-boy be scratchin' his nuts through his pants. It's just like... "Dude!! Just wait til you get home!" But nah. He's just not like that. - JANEANDFINCH
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_Sexy_Pants_ (February 16, 2004)

Best post on here
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chimericalburst (February 16, 2004)

thats really funny. i haven't read that in the longest time, i think i wrote that about 3 years ago. thanks for the nostalgic flashback though. oh, and i have a very broad definition of fascism, if you'd like to discuss it (since you apparently know my aim name)

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

you people are funny pretending you know what you're talking about. either do some reading and form a valid opinion or stay apathetic and keep yourself from sounding stupid, which most of these posts prove.
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Someone (February 16, 2004)

oh high and mighty, may i rise from my knees and suck on your delicious meat, or can you not yourself part from the warm pulsating sensation it gives your own mouth.
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Someone (February 17, 2004)

you can, but i bet you give pretty lame head

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

NeoCons favorite words: I, mine, me, Which ones cheaper?, spank, punish, justice, kickback, EVIL, stupid treehugger, vote no on hospital, school, and veterans benefit tax.

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Someone (February 16, 2004)

The articles on this page aren't even very good. There is little on the site right now, but these articles just are just labeling everyone with petty stereotypes, exagerating and misinterpreting people's words (in the case of graves rebuttle to brendan kelly), and they don't make any sort of compelling argument. And I'm not just saying this because I'm not conservative, I'll give credit to someone for a good argument or well written article. But this isn't it.

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matt_obscure (February 16, 2004)

let's call it what it is...reading the stuff on that site is just simple namecalling and regurgitation of things they've heard on talk shows... and graves' column is just shit talking everyone who's involved in punkvoter... obviously a guy who helped resurrect the misfits as a bad helloween cover band's opinion is really interesting...funny to see though. my favorite was the quote from johnny ramone. punks should be conservative or apolitical? how does that make sense? i suppose the dead kennedys were fascists too, huh?

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Someone (February 17, 2004)

good article fucking shitty website -Carl Winslow

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Someone (February 17, 2004)

Why the fuck does it matter so much what it take to be "punk" anyways? Just live your life how the fuck you want (within means of he law of course). If you want to live your life as a punk then do that, but theres no sense in bitching about what it takes to be punk. If you think you have to be liebral to be punk then thats your opinion and vice versa. If someone else thniks that you cant be conservative and be a punk then fuck them and vice versa.

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Someone (February 17, 2004)

HAHAHA!!! Did anyone else check out that anti-Anti-Flag site???? It's fucking hilarious! What loser dedicates so much time over a band they dislike???? Incredible how dumb so many people are... including me.

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Someone (March 11, 2004)

Isnt "Conservative Punk" the biggest oxymoron youve ever heard?

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Someone (April 9, 2004)

Why don't people wake up and fucking notice the real things going on in the world? Half the poeple who try and decifer which political stance is right for punk know fuck all about politics and need to look at the real issues. At the end of the day punk is about music. Sure lyrics and political incitefulness do come into it but it shouldn't fucking dictate your life. And in Fat Mike's defence he is only trying to keep that asshole Bush from cheating the elections again, he doesn't like the democrats, its just a 'lesser of two evils' situation. Punks should start looking for political answers in other places than music, such as the paper! If you really fucking care do something about it, join a party, stand in local elections, don't winge about what you dont like being said in a politically motovated genre of music.