FUCK FAT WERAK, FAT MIKE IS A DUMBASS, PUNKVOTER IS A JOKE. sorry, i'm pissed, it's soo fucking stupid, it's a punk comp, it shouldn't have any songs banned or kicked off, or what ever. FUCK FAT MIKE, FUCK NOFX, FUCK FAT WREAK. I'M VOTING FOR BUSH!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

How about you look at what he did to the Thai Baht (their currency), see how many people hurt and take a look at their recovery.

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Aubin (March 16, 2004)

To suggest that Soros single handedly caused the 1997 Asian economic crisis is probably a stretch. The problems the Baht suffered are symptomatic of a fixed exchange rate, and while he definitely played a significant role, the fact was that the original exchange rate (24.70 Baht/Dollar) was too low. One of the big problems with having capital mobility is that it leads to major problems when you deal with a fixed exchange rate, because it has to be maintained artificially. Without going into it too far, fixed exchange rates are really an artificial construct and have to be maintained by buying and selling currency to keep it pegged. The problem here is that while the monetary policy in a floating rate country has both interest and exchange as policy instruments, in a fixed rate country, you have half as many ways to protect your foreign exchange reserves.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

blah blah blah, im sick of this smart guy talk. does this soros guy have a hot bitch? -poopypants

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

Maybe if you knew what the fuck you were fucking talking about and not just defending a band that you liked you would realize that maybe the record label was correct to drop Propaghandi from the comp for their comments Considering Soros is very anti-Bush and the band came out against him, the label didn't really have a choice but to remove them for bashing one of their supporters.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

but anti-bush does not mean that he can do anything as long as hes anti-bush

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

Tell me, smart guy, what has Soros done? I like your quick quiffs.

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Someone (March 17, 2004)

besides giving billions of dollars to help in the development of southeast asian and african nations i guess hes done nothing

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Someone (March 18, 2004)

uhh, agitated for SANE economic and foreign policies. Spending hundreds of millions every year in a foreign policy that should be cut and pasted by the next presidential administration. Soros is the man, so is his teach Karl Popper. And if you had read or KNEW anyting about either of them you would know that YOU should be on their side.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

hey im anti-bush but i also believe in genocide does that make me okay by punkvoter?

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

soros - survived genocide - dumbass

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

i was saying me myself was soros i was saying that just because soros is anti bush does that make him the greatest guy in the world

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hwm27 (March 18, 2004)

he doesn't do whatever he wants. if anything, hes does nothing but be a benefit to poor third world countries.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

is soros financing punk voter now too?

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Someone (March 18, 2004)

crash of their currency. He tried to keep it artificially high, Soros noticed it and made it a 2 way fight. Currency markets are not a zero-sum game. One person, even with BILLIONS is still only reacting. IF a country tries to use its deep pockets to keep their currency up, they're going to hurt ALL other developing countries currencies. So Soros isnt the worst guy here.

It's like christmas and my birthday all rolled into one. -Scott

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KirbyPuckett (March 16, 2004)

I have a feeling though that this 'error' on his site happened at will. Thus removing all the comments the two of us, as well as a few others left exposing what a little shit he is. On a lighter note, a I heard from my dog's friend's ownner's shoe that Yellowcard brushes their teeth with Aquafresh. - Kirby

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

Yeah, He didn't like our worst zines feature at bornbackwards. He threatened to sue us.

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thriceequalsgod (March 16, 2004)

Hahahahaha

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

That bastard banned me for simply proving him a hypocrite and I did it so politely too.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

Yeah, well, simple minds. So why is his site down?

absolutepunk.net... this is probably an old line, but wheres the punk at? all i saw was a bunch of emomallcrap. its sad when no motiv is comparably "punk as fuck" when put next to the other bands.

I read (a lot of) that thread about something b/n AP and senses fail. Tate is so bad at arguing his point. He keeps changes the subject and avoids certain topics. I knew he was a douche, but damn... That site is so scattered, its crazy. I think he took a hint and is trying to clean up that shit-storm of a front page.

my wish has come true the past two months, my schools computers cant go to that site.

For more about George, read the comment I posted earlier... he's basically an extremely wealthy hedge fund manager who specializes in currency speculation. He's important here because he is a strong critic of Bush and Republican economic policies and is a major progressive philanthropist.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

Did he donate millions of his own dollars to help moveon.org? I remember some rich dude donating all kinds of money to beat bush. This must be him. Apparently, he cannot take any criticism.

I have a feeling it wasn't fat mike. is fat putting this record out? i'm sure theres more to this story than we know. maybe fat mike doesnt agree with their views on soros and they pulled the song as a fuck you. its interesting. maybe if a major is distributing this it was them. in any case propaghandi owe fat big, aside from not only signing them, he also floated them 50 g's to start their own label. -poopypants

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

Actually from what I hear in the old rumour mill (I live near the Propaghandi guys, an know someone who went to University with one of them), they actually didn't care if they put out albums on Fat. I heard (rumour) that after they started their own label (g7) they were gonna do it all from there but Fay Mike begged them to put out more albums because at the time they had sold more records on his label than anyone else.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

hmm, i have trouble believing that they have sold more records than anyone else on fat. I was always under the impression that good riddance and lagwagon sold the most or maybe no use. and i'm sure they'd like to put out albums themslves but there is the detail that w/o fat mike they wouldnt have their label, he funded it, they owe his ass. i can't see mike begging anyone for shit. from what i've heard, since soros is the biggest funder of the demo party, mike dosnt want it in there.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

I've heard rumors for a couple of years that Lagwagon "Hoss" sold over 500 000? I dunno Barkley

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GREG6711 (March 16, 2004)

So now we see Fat Mike's way. Free speech as long as it's his speech.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

And that's the American way...

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ShamRocknRoll (March 16, 2004)

"so now"? Youve heard about punkvoter.com, right???

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

Well that's a twisted way of looking at it. It's his comp, he can say whatever he want. I don't see what this has to do with free speech. What if some band you had signed up for a comp had a christian praise bush song? Would you taking them off the comp be restricting their free speech? Fuck no! It's Mike's project and he is "free" to do whatever he wants with it. and Propaghandi is free to practice free speech anywhere they want as long as it's on their dollar, their time, and their label.

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GREG6711 (March 16, 2004)

Sham, obivously I know punkvoter.com is a crooked, brainwashing website. I've been an opponent of anti-free thinking all my life. I don't really care about sematics of "so now" I recognize Fat Mike's right to do what he wants with his comp, like I said this is not censership, only a person who is leading in bad example and hypocrisy

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

im so fucking sick of fat mike, despite what you all think he's not all that intelligent. Fucking hypocrite

Yeah, he's matching funds or something for Moveon.org's voter fund.

their a punk band you fucking moran. if u don't like them don't listen to them. get a fucking clue.

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ThatotherGuy (March 16, 2004)

Go to school and learn the basics of grammar you moron. Get a fucking clue. THAT GUY

Propagandhi is just a bunch of whiney canadian pussies, no one in canada gives a rats ass so they criticize america instead. They're fucking american-wanna-be-poser-ass-fucks.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

Read the liner notes of how to clean everything. They rip apart the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms by noting how at any time, martial law can be imposed and all of our (canadians) rights would be suspended. If you read their webpage, song lyrics, you would also note that they rip apart canada many times. The picture on the back of less talk, shows what I think is the legislature then they imposed the quote of a native saying something like "our land was here before you arrived". Something to that effect anyway. Good stuff Oh, and America can fuck right off eh!

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declinepunk (March 16, 2004)

this kid is just pointed out what i was gonna point out. they take their share of shots at canada. not to mention, they're anarchists and i don't think it really matters what country your from to an anarchist. identifying with a border is kind of a dumb idea.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

too bad they are way more intelligent than you will ever be.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

"They're fucking american-wanna-be-poser-ass-fucks"---yeah we want your education system.

I think they, like most people in world, are aware that what America does affects everyone. One of our prime ministers said that America affects us "with every twitch and grunt."

freedom of expression?

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Someone (March 16, 2004)
i completely agree with you. US foreign policy, especially over the last 50 years, hasn't exactly been world-friendly. the US government often acts with no regard to the rest of the world. how many times has the US invaded other countries out of pure self-interest? how many non-democratic rulers has the government put into power? and they demonize saddam hussein, who by no means hasn't committed horrendous atrocities, but have very little ground to stand on themselves. "strategic withdrawal" my ass, more like "complete embarassment and shame." for everyone who knocks canada, maybe you should think about vastly lower crime rates. free health care. being able to respect your country's government. those are pretty desirable things. there's a reason US tourists are advised to say they're canadian when they go abroad - because canadians are seen in a much greater and respected light than US citi

show rest of commenti completely agree with you. US foreign policy, especially over the last 50 years, hasn't exactly been world-friendly. the US government often acts with no regard to the rest of the world. how many times has the US invaded other countries out of pure self-interest? how many non-democratic rulers has the government put into power? and they demonize saddam hussein, who by no means hasn't committed horrendous atrocities, but have very little ground to stand on themselves. "strategic withdrawal" my ass, more like "complete embarassment and shame." for everyone who knocks canada, maybe you should think about vastly lower crime rates. free health care. being able to respect your country's government. those are pretty desirable things. there's a reason US tourists are advised to say they're canadian when they go abroad - because canadians are seen in a much greater and respected light than US citizens. with the current US government, every day increases my desire to move to canada. every day i hope that the US government realizes the reason the rest of the world looks at them with jaded eyes is because US foreign policy has been totally devoid of respect for others and has been backed up by military might and hypocrisy.
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Someone (March 16, 2004)

I didn't realize that by paying for your and everyone else's healthcare in your taxes it made them free. Free healthcare is a myth, it just means that healthy people have to pay for everyone else's sickness.

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lieutenant (March 16, 2004)

You're exactly right. But to use an entirely cliche line as "news flash', newsflash, not everyone can pay for health care themselves. I hate to stoop to an immature level by taking your statement and accusing you of being an upper middle class individual born into a family that could pay their own hospital fees, but since I already said "newsflash" moments ago, I may as continue this far. I never said I was born to debate, but this is what I have: I have been in and out of the hospital for the majority of my lives because I am fighting something, and on our own, neither I nor my family could afford this. Immature cheapshot to destroy credibility: Fuck off.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

Wait because your parents can't pay for your hospital bills and retain the same standard of living they did before, you complain thats its not their fault. The government doesn't doesn't exist to take care of you, thats what charities exist for. Your "immature cheapshot" wasn't you telling me to fuck off, it was trying to use the "hey im sick and i couldn't afford to live if it wasn't for welfare" angle you were trying to pull.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

if you look at what canadians pay in taxes for health care vs. what americans pay for health insurance/health care i bet its far less. the whole lower-taxes privatize everything to save money idea is a myth unless you are upper-class. You save a great deal of money by paying taxes and getting services for free as opposed to paying slightly less taxes and then paying out your ass for health care and education

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

So I being a perfectly fit person, would pay 0 in healthcare would now have to pay hundreds more a year because everyone elses sick? Yeah I sure save money

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

exactly. not everybody saves money, but for the people who can't afford healthcare, it's nice. i for one see nothing wrong with that.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

im pretty sure that the government exists soley to take care of its citzens. is that not the function of a government?

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

"The government doesn't doesn't exist to take care of you" wha? what does the government exist for then?

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

actually it means people who show up with gunshot wounds wont be turned away for lack of insurance

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

Wait so a country right across the boarder makes it acceptable to do something thats illegal in our own country and you don't expect us to want to increase security? That is fucking retarded. Also any seperation that exists between church and state is vastly overstated. The constitution just mentions that America won't have a state religion. It doesn't say that the government can't be involved in anything remotely religious. ps. Maybe if you weren't so poor you wouldn't be jealous of upper middle class families.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

how does it feel to have bush's wang up your bum?

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lieutenant (March 16, 2004)

Smart. I know I wish I was middle upper class, that's why I'm in university right now, working my way up. But excuse the 'rents, they weren't quite as successful. Yes, that is my sad sap story. But I have no qualm with it.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)
The fact that they give out jail terms for marijuana possession is retarted. And how can banning same-sex marriage be considered anything but discrimination against homosexuals. Sexual preference should not result in the loss of equal right, say signing a social contract. The seperation of church and state means that decisions should not be based on the presidents faith, i.e abortion laws. By the way, the way americans stand by their constitution is scary. its a couple of hundred years old and is outdated. People say that that's why ther are amendments, so they can be amended. But they never are amended, particularly the most dangerous part of the consitution: the right to bear arms. Do I make less money than upper middle class families in the US? yes. I do work in environmental research and day after day have to deal with the American policies regarding climate change, which a

show rest of commentThe fact that they give out jail terms for marijuana possession is retarted. And how can banning same-sex marriage be considered anything but discrimination against homosexuals. Sexual preference should not result in the loss of equal right, say signing a social contract. The seperation of church and state means that decisions should not be based on the presidents faith, i.e abortion laws. By the way, the way americans stand by their constitution is scary. its a couple of hundred years old and is outdated. People say that that's why ther are amendments, so they can be amended. But they never are amended, particularly the most dangerous part of the consitution: the right to bear arms. Do I make less money than upper middle class families in the US? yes. I do work in environmental research and day after day have to deal with the American policies regarding climate change, which are helping destroy the planet quicker than you think.
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Someone (March 16, 2004)
It doesn't matter what you think, marijuana possession is against the law and laws should be enforced or removed. The stipulation of marriage is that its between a man and a woman, since 2 guys or 2 females doesn't meet that stipulation, they can't be married. It's that simple. Now you show how ignorant you are. You say that its old and outdated, yet it provides a provision to be updated. Then, you complain that it isn't ammended. It was designed to be a slow updated process requiring a majority of everyone in the United States to agree, this makes sure its a extremely popular choice. This is obvious in how the prohibition of alcohol was signed in and then out. Then you say the dumbest thing ever. The right to bear arms is one of the most important thing you can have. Not only is it providing a valid case for self defense (which most european countries don't have, removin

show rest of commentIt doesn't matter what you think, marijuana possession is against the law and laws should be enforced or removed. The stipulation of marriage is that its between a man and a woman, since 2 guys or 2 females doesn't meet that stipulation, they can't be married. It's that simple. Now you show how ignorant you are. You say that its old and outdated, yet it provides a provision to be updated. Then, you complain that it isn't ammended. It was designed to be a slow updated process requiring a majority of everyone in the United States to agree, this makes sure its a extremely popular choice. This is obvious in how the prohibition of alcohol was signed in and then out. Then you say the dumbest thing ever. The right to bear arms is one of the most important thing you can have. Not only is it providing a valid case for self defense (which most european countries don't have, removing reasonable doubt from the victim). It also provides a means of fighting oppressors. There is a reason people say any invasion attempt of the united states by aggressors would be suicide.
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Someone (March 16, 2004)

the right to bear arms is getting too out of hand, there should be more restrictions. Its fucking insane. And as for ammendments theres a reason why they never happen its because there so god damn hard to pass.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

Why is it "getting out of hand"? You can't provide one arguement to support yourself. The reason its so hard to pass is so one person can't tyranize the entire country, unless the majority of the country agrees with him.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

gun control has become an oxymoron in the US. Why is it getting out of hand? Have you seen Bowling for Columbine? Do you not find the number of handguns deaths relative to other countries hard to swallow? Do you agree with the idea that if more students were armed at columbine less people would have been killed? If so, I guess you belong in America. Why is it so hard to pass admendments? It's simple: lobby groups. Politicians platforms and actions are based on them, which is why they need to be taken out of the equation. Amendments should be what is best for the country, not what powerful lobby groups want.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

I've seen it and its hard to take seriously. It spouts out a bunch of numbers spouting that handgun deaths in america are way out of proportion(despite the numbers proving that canada has more gun related deaths by population percentage). What you don't realize is that the 11 thousand killed by guns referenced, is infact guns killed total. 11 thousand isn't much when you account for the people killed in gang related activity, police shootouts, and suicides.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

wait...i thought the whole arguemnt of bowling wasn't specifically gun crime, but violence in general. hence, the example moore used of canada having tons of guns but less violence.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

Then why didn't it support guns? Both the british and the australians had lower violent crime rates and robbery rates when guns were legal. Note: some forms of guns are still legal in both countries, but they require permits and extra fees. but for the purpose of this arguement I am refering to the general right to own firearms without government involvement.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

i think the real question is did YOU see Bowling For Columbine? according to that film the problem is not gun control. the movie is full of shit anyway. sure it's funny, but don't for a second think that michael moore is nothing more than an entertainer. he's far from a credible documentarian.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

edit: anything more than an entertainer.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

yeah true you know he was just one of the first people "entertaining" the vast majority of americans while you and your precious republican party were snuggled up close too all the oil reserves you had just taken over

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

All of your comments come from the right. Good job, it shows you've learned all that they have to teach you.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

All of your comments come from ignorance. Good job, it shows you've learned nothing.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

Godamn...it's no wonder why ever other damn country in the world hates America. What a fucking joke.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

i just like your comments on the changing climate. tell me.....have you ever bothered to pay attention to the cycles that the sun goes through? because statistically those have more to do with our climate change than ANYTHING we have done ourselves.

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Someone (March 17, 2004)

ahh who cares we're all gonna die anyway. in the END you have to be selfish. i dont see any of you giving up your happiness for someone else's. its a hard thing do to.

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notfeelingcreative (March 16, 2004)

Americans elected Bush and Cheney? When did this happen?

that was the dumbest thign i have ever heard. the verdic is in "you are retarded"

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

The verdiCt is in...you can't spell.

While there are many good arguments on why this guy is an idiot because of the policies he promotes, it's really much easier. At the end of Stick The Fucking Flag Up Your Goddamn Ass, You Sonofabitch, the Canadian anthem, not the American one, is mockedly played. There, he doesn't even have a valid argument now.

No.

I see your point, but still choose to disagree. If the leaders of The United States of America made decisions that affectedonly the United States of America, I would agree. However, past presidents have made decisions that could have potentailly dangerous affects to other countries. The problems Propagandhi have seem to be with the actions of the US not the US in general and it is perfectly fine to disagree with or criticize the actions of another country's leaders. After all, Americans do it all the time!

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

"past presidents have made decisions that could have potentailly dangerous affects to other countries"? har har har, PAST?

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notfeelingcreative (March 16, 2004)

Yeah past, not only current. Bush is a given, but past leaders have made potentially global decisons based on the sole interest of a few Americans.

America has a big influence in the world. And I am glad Propagandhi believes in free speech. Hell, I don't know why American political bands don't write about the border situtation of Mexico and how American jobs are being stolen by illegal aliens. Americans lose jobs. Mexicans get paid shit Pres. Bush only caring to get Hispanic votes, even though most mexicans don't want his plan. Only Corporations profit.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

the mexicans arn't "stealing" the good jobs. Oh no one more high school dropout can't get a job picking fields or working on a construction crew. Now that he doesn't have to worry about that job he can go to school and get a job doing something that is not only less physically exhausting, it pays better. ps. lower prices help everyone.

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GREG6711 (March 16, 2004)

Oh I forgot, our country didn't recently have the highest unemployment rate since...well maybe you know.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

American jobs stolen by illegal aliens? Probably jobs that the average American would think is below them anyway. I would also say more American jobs are being lost due to the Free Trade Act.

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GREG6711 (March 16, 2004)

if you deny the adverse effect of illegal aliens coming into our country, open up your eyes. Was it a billion dollars we lost in healthcare because of treating unlicensed illegal aliens? I agree teh free trade act your refering to doesn't help, but the border problem is easier to fix, and we could solve a lot of our social ills a lot faster.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

well, that's capitalism for you. -el vaquero

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

Canada is filled with goddamn Mexicans who can't even speak english or french yet have the same rates as everyone.

clearly some of you have not even listened to Propagandhi that closely...they often criticize Canada, Canadian government policies, etc. Most likely I would put it down to the simple fact that some of you do not KNOW they are talking about Canada because you do not KNOW anything about Canada in the first place yourself.

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Someone (March 19, 2004)

word!

hahaha, And that song you are referring to is actually about the singer's dad, who was in the CANADIAN air force. There is even a guitar riff where they do the Canadian national anthem

Everyone surprised that a moron has voiced his uninformed, idiotic opinions on this site raise your hand. No one? I thought not.

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Someone (March 17, 2004)

how bout not name calling and criticizing. that's all anyone want's to do. They state their opinion, say its right, and say everyone else is an idiot. That's not any more intelligent than anything else.

this is more like if your mom was beating you. you might not like the kid next door calling your mom names and trying to get you help, but he is trying to help.

Moron, don't you hear "O Canada" at the end of that track? Plus, they don't care much about borders.

they are just telling it how it is canadian or not thery have alll the rights to say whatever the fuck they want and they do it well im a canadian and i could go on about your country aswell as some of my art is anti-bush and anti-american media

Oh man, this is so the unofficial comment of the day. Sickboi, get over here! -Scott

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

Done and done. COTDA. -sickboi (I was in a meeting at work, get off my dick.)

I wouldn't go as far as to call it censership, because Fat Mike isn't stopping them from even getting that song out there, that would be illegal, but this is the closest thing to censorship that I know of.

Do you guys even think before you type?

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GREG6711 (March 16, 2004)

look up the word censorship, it's not censorship. It's Fat Fuck's label. He can do what he wants,

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

hes being punk rock but not putting this song out!!!

i doubt it, fat is a great home, he pays well and the bands are well promoted and taken care of. don't confuse business w/ politics. remember fat put out an mxpx ep? the bands on the label may not always agree with mike, as you don't with your own boss, but that doesnt mean you leave your job because your boss cut someone elses hrs. also propaghandi are already still obligated to put their next album out on fat, so ts for them.

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lieutenant (March 16, 2004)

Fat only enters one-album contracts. I don't think Propagandhi are yet obligated, though yeah, they may already be.

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lieutenant (March 16, 2004)

Oh wait, we are probably much closer to the release of that album as I think.

There are as many crooks and goons on the "left" as there are on the "right" it's all about money. Trust me, Kerry doesn't care about you, and is looking out for his own interests, the same as Bush.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

Finally someone who speaks the same as i do!!! Kerry talks about standing up for the middle class, Kerry was born into money and married the granddaughter of the Hienz ketchup guy, he's never been the middle class. And Bush just dose whatever the CEOs want him to. It's sad. there is no president for the average American, thier the president of the WEALTH CLASS. Clinton started a war to cover up the blow job scandal and Bush started a war for money. really sad.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

Kinda weird has Americans have this thing with going to war whenever some sort of problem arises..see Nicaragua

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

If you don't mind me asking, what party do/would you vote? Becuase i agree in full.

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GREG6711 (March 16, 2004)

vote your conscious. not my conscious I just got back from voting, and I consider myself independant. I know a lot of people think I am really conservative here, but that's just because I believe some conservative values are much more realistic. Look, I like people who I think will do the right thing. In 2004, i won't vote Kerry. He flipflops on everything and Bush's environmental track scares me, but Nader, though a really good man, he's a little out there on some stuff. So either Nader or Bush.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

Yeah, I'm a libratarian becuase i agree with lower taxes but social issues i'm more libral. I don't like Bush and I don't like Kerry so most likely I'll vote Nader, but everyone I talk to says I'll just throw my vote away. but i really agree with what your say about the "left" and "right" beeing krooks and it nice to find someone who has the same political views.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

if everyone just put all that third party throw away vote bull shit aside then people would actually vote for whoever the hell they want instead of the next best guy because hes a democrat or a republican.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

no shit!!! 100% agree!!!!1

A punk rocker is going to be President in the next 20 years.

they're already locked in to put this next one out on fat, coming out later this year. after that though....

1. "he is our president not yours" okay so you have to actually live in a country to disagree with their leader? In that case saddam hussein was the Iraqi leader, not the US president we shouldn't have taken all those shots at him and ousted him from power, after all he wasn. I doubt they think that Bush took part in any holocaust type activities. 2. Bush is a one-track minded asshole, just like hitler was. although I agree with you, the comparison is far fetched, he is not nearly as bad. 3. I don't remember any song with "Oi oi oi fight the democratic president" where did that quote come from? Oh, it came from your ass! 4. They don't have to worry about their country,Canada is a small country that has none of the problems of the US.

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CrankWillDestroy (March 16, 2004)

hahaha, number 3 made me laugh. well said.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

first of all. canada isn't small. second of all. canada does have problems. do you think we're sweeden?

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notfeelingcreative (March 16, 2004)

Do you have as much murder, rape, and conflicts with other countries as the U.S does? What was the last country Canada started a war with?

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

I don't think we ever started a war. Of course we could look at the war the United States started with us... and... of yeah... WE WON!

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

canada has a small population in relation to their size

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

haha, loving the swedish comment

idiocy at its best...

first off, you say "first off (here's a fact)," well first off, you can't just right afterwards say "First off, (here's my opinion)" because, well, first off it makes you look dumb. second off it's kinda hard to read and first off your argument doesn't even make sense.

it's "they're" not "their" go back to 5th grade before you state your opinions..

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GREG6711 (March 16, 2004)

hey, i'm not gonna lie, I type fast, and rarely look for errors. I guess I care more about the message I am trying to get across then spelling. It's cool, I can take the heatttt.

because people don't change over time or anything. i don't like mest, but grow up. he's not a nazi anymore.

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GREG6711 (March 16, 2004)

alright, I was just messing. I honestly think it's really cool that the guy from Mest is doing stuff to help promote human rights by admiting his youthful mistakes and working to correct them.. I was trying to insult Fat Mike, but I apoligize I was out of line with my remark.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

Nah, fuck the guy from Mest. I may be just as ignorant as he was, maybe it is even worse as he is trying to come around, but [and this isn't my tough guy act] I won't tolerate any of that kind of shit, whether it exists in your present or past. I won't join the 15 year old girls and stalk him so I can beat him and his family with a baseball bat in their sleep, but I sure won't give this guy the time of my day. He's not asking for it, but my point stands. An immature one, yes, but it's a heavy subject.

i'm guessing you mean "become what you hate"? how is year eight treating you?

Soros is basically a guy you shouldn't criticize if you don't want trouble. That's probably what made Fat Mike and Co to remove the Propagandhi song. Soros has his hand in every pocket and sure, he has done a lot of good things - but he is fucking shady.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

so is santa claus

soros is a shady mother fucker, him supporting ant-bush shit doesnt mean a damn thing. read a little more.

you haven't even heard the song, shut the fuck up

So is this guy bad because he's rich? Nobody has given a clear explaination yet as to why he should be trash-talked..

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GREG6711 (March 16, 2004)

the issue is not even about the guy. It's about Propagandhi's artistic freedom

soros is way worse than George Bush. You can dislike Bush because he is actually conservative, as if that is a crime. But Soros is a complete liar, and is looking to advance his own agenda. Who is the real tryant? i'll stick with Soros, or the left-wing propagandhists in congress: Kennedy, Daschelle, and Kerry.

Here's a refreshing idea: supporting Anti-flag's cd was supporting an artist's right to free speech. Dropping the Propagandhi song is doing the opposite, it is dropping a view he disagrees with. as for Best buy, and other retail stores, they have standards too. They are indiscriminate of who the band is, if the cover is offense to them, they will not support it. Best buy's deal is called a policy. Fat Mike's brainwashing is called hypocrisy. Any more refreshing ideas?

Couldn't have said it better myself.

from what i know about him, compared to other uberbillionaires, Soros is far from a bad man. none the less, the shit on top of shit heap is still shit. I'm willing to bet that propagandhi's problems with him go far beyond whether or not he may support the democrats. Thier arguement can probobly be summed up by articles like this: http://www.zmag.org/ZMag/articles/may97cleffi.html

So you HAVEN'T heard "Today's Empires, Tomorrow's Ashes"?

The Against Me! song isn't political at all. The Strike Anywhere song is not specifically about Bush. The World/Inferno Friendship Society song is not about Bush.

didn't hinkly shoot Reagan? The guy isn't in prision, he's at a mental ward facility. He got out of the death penalty because of a loophole, because he "faked" insanity. Then again, if i'm thinking of the wrong guy sorry.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

John Hinckley, 48, has been confined to secure wards in St Elizabeth's Hospital in Washington for more than 20 years after being found not guilty of attempted murder by reason of insanity, but could soon be released without supervision. After making several visits, accompanied by psychiatric staff, to bowling alleys, bookshops, cinemas and the beach over the past three years, Hinckley has applied for 10 unsupervised visits to his parents' home in Virginia, including five overnight stays. In court documents, Hinckley's lawyer, Barry Levine, stated: "It is undisputed that Mr Hinckley's psychosis and depression have been in full remission and that he has shown no symptoms thereof for over a decade.

he shot 4 people and nobody died. he did go to a mental ward because of it but has since been allowed unsupervised visits with his family. so, murderer? no. maniac? maybe.

It's all Jodie Foster's fault!

Hinckley shot Reagan to try and impress Jodie Foster, because he became obesessed with her after watching Taxi Driver over and over. He thought that the only thing that would demonstrate to her his love would be to shoot the President - he didn't hate Reagan or anything, he just wanted to impress Jodie Foster.

To quote Dennis Leary: "Why? Because we've got the bombs!" -sickboi

did you bother to read most of the comments?

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mikeinflames (March 16, 2004)

yes but there were a couple with people attacking the band for thier stan dagainst bush because they are Canadian and i just thought i'd voice my opinion on said matter afterall ... isn't that was this site is here for?

In Flames is fucking great.

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notfeelingcreative (March 16, 2004)

Amen to that!

oh me oh my if you knew anything about Hitler and the Nazi movement you would be able to pull some similarities between Bush and Hitler

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FAKESMILE (March 16, 2004)

I don't believe that's not true. give me some similarities then.

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GREG6711 (March 16, 2004)

be a gentlemen and show examples of the Hitler/Bush link... Also, I have a question if you hate Hitler so much, why don't you praise Bush for ridding the world of Saddam Hussein. I see a Hussein/Hitler link Bush ain't that bad, and you can disagree with if you don't like his policies, but comparing him to Hitler is a slap in the face to Holocaust victims around the world.

agree!!

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

disagree. Hitler gained power through force, and threats, perverting the democratic system. He played on people's fear and hatred of Jews and decimated 6 million of them. He invaded and annexed most of Europe. He created state capitalism, not through mutli-nationals. He wanted to establish "liebensraum" for the Germans. Bush is nothing like Hitler. You pathetic idiots. Why make such stupid comparisons. Please don't respond, that was a rhetorical question.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

Umm, I agreed with what your saying. I think Bush is nothing like Hitler, he's just stupid. sorry for the misunderstanding.

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

bush and hitler both got to power through the democratic system, and both elections where shady. bush played on people's fear of "terrorists" instead of jews, and I'd say how many "terrorists" have been exterminated, however those figures for some reason are unattainable bush and hitler both worked for the economic interests of major corporations, whether they are global or state is irrelevant "liebensraum" or living space (let's not get elitest here) can be comparable to America/Bush wanting compliance from all other countries so America can get it's advantage (FTAA, WTO, not supporting Kyoto, only denouncing dictatorships that are against free-trade) It is still a stupid comparison because all it does is make someone dislike Bush out of emotional reasons as opposed to rational reasons (and posters making the comparison are bullshit propaganda), but there are definetly similarities.

Most original Fat Mike bashing ever!

Where's Toby to verefy the validity of this statement!

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

how stupid are you?

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TheOneTrueBill (March 16, 2004)

Not very.

All interesting points. Except that, as a public persona, people can talk a certain amount of trash about Soros without fear of a lawsuit. I would think that the real Fat Mike is aware of this distinction, which makes it more probable than not that this post originated from another source. The Legal Eagle

Do you really think fat Mike would verbally bash artists on his own label with personal insults? If there was a disagreement he'd probably make a statement, but I doubt that he would use the language used in the above post.

Why should they have to compromise their artistic freedom to appease a record label? I thought that the point if indie labels was that the BAND had control, and the label was just an outlet...

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

artistic freedom does not mean libelous statements with no factual explanations to back them up. i fully stand by fat mike on this. the comp was made to promote voting with the intended purpose of ousting president bush. i don't think it's not punk for him to not include a very scathing personal attack on someone that has absolutely nothing to do with the publicly stated purpose of the comp. if this was 'rock against billionaires in general' i'd be a little miffed by the removal, but it's not. this is propaghandi being whiny little bitches.

well,i think anyone can say waht he thinks about the US since all the world including my country(italy)is a colony..it's prettY weird they got kicked out of this comp..

that song was written to piss off the ska loving nazi skins who were showing up at shows in their scene. this has to do with their surroundings, not jamaica nor your offended ass. now go back to listening to bad 12th generation ska.

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GregSka (March 16, 2004)

At no point did I say that I was offended or that I like "12th generation ska". I was hoping that someone could shed some light on ska-loving nazis in the Winnipeg scene, if there were any to begin with. Unfortunately, I got a presumptuous dick like you to tell me something that I had already mentioned. Suck my balls.

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RondoMondo (March 17, 2004)

You're an idiot. It's a fact that Nazi's loved ska in the 80's. There are even ska songs about skinheads.

If you've never heard if nazi's liking ska music then you're a bigger idiot than the nazi's. In 70s and 80s britain the ska scene had a huge problem with nazis, the specials even broke up because the nazis who came to see them (yes, nazis went to see a band which included black people) kept beating up the fans, thus making shows impossible to play. "Bands won't play no more, too much fighting on the dance floor" Get your facts straight before you run your mouth son.

It should be pulled unless you want Secret Service at Fat Mike's door.

Not true at all, go fish.

i want to hear the song to but, the song is remix of bullshit politicians. kinda like how they redid an older song for live fat, die young called war is peace... http://www.fatwreck.com/albumdetail.php3?sd=QFezbtHRM XIAADmAJDo&cat_num=675

well said

Seems like soros' shit is based on the concept that the U.S. should take on more responsibility and stop being the asshole dictator of the world- i can't figure out what this hoopla is all about other than soros donates millions and millions of bucks to open societies and fund healthcare and programs in third world nations and propagandhi just bitches. Fat Mike should not have to put every ignorant remark on his cd - and these guys should stop crying.

wow that was a really terrible editorial.

wow, that was poorly written and really did not justify the writers reasoning for being against punkvoter. he's a sheep.

unlike the rest of you assholes fat mike is doing something - and trying to keep a comp true to his mission. I think it is stupid to talk a lot of shit here about a liner note that has nothing to do with bush. i did not know that this election was about john hinkley or george soros. Sounds more like propagandhi's ego!

Wow, fine line between humor and stupidity!

dood, it's his record company. and in the end it's his choice what songs and what bands get one the comp. every cd propagandhi ever put out they slacked off and waited last minute to compile a bunch of crap the luckily turned into really good songs. they never respected his authority anyway. and this time they went a little over board. you'll still be able to hear it when they release it on they're own album. so chill out guys. if you don't like it, don't buy the comp. (download it in stead, hehhe). that way fat mike will eventually re-release the comp thus making all the dumbfucks that bought it right away purchase it again. thus making mikes' whole master plan to become as close the the billionair butt-fucker Soros. suck a dick anyone who thinks they're opinion matters.

They want bush out, they don't consider voting a way to get him out if he just gets replaced by a bush lite. Just cause your not getting fucked doesn't mean your not sucking cock. in metaphorical terms, wyzo

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Someone (March 17, 2004)

Then what's the soultion? Obviously we won't over throw the government so we need to work within the system to effect change. We need solutions not just fuck this and fuck that.

dito

get an ulcer, get divorced, have back pain, watch reruns of what the oc was when you grew up, rock out to music from when you were paying rent for a decade, buy a fast DSL connection, wait for son to get off computer for homework, go to punk rock website, set kids straight, satisfy self with smile, go to bed with frigid 2nd wife, stare at her man pleasers, wish they were larger, perchance to dream wyzo

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Someone (March 16, 2004)

i think you got him pegged

fat wreck is by no means the largest independent music label.

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Someone (March 17, 2004)

which is then?

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Someone (April 12, 2004)

isn't "largest independent label" an oxymoron?

In the words of midtown BECOME WHAT YOU HATE...........I hate Midtown. I hope I don't become them.