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  Review by: Scott See others by this writer ![[staff]](/images/icons/staffsticker.gif){kind=icon}
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Published on September 24th 2002
Viva Death is mainly the brainchild of Trever Keith and Scott Shiflett of Face To Face. Sure, Josh Freese [of the Vandals, Devo, A Perfect Circle, and more] plays drums on the disc, and Chris Shiflett [of Foo Fighters/No Use For A Name] plays guitar, but this is mainly Trever and Scott's project. Please login or register to post comments. What are the benefits of having a Punknews.org account?
i bought this album, listened to Trust Me (a song i loved from the vagrant sampler), listened to the rest of the album in 10 seconds, and threw it to the corner of my room because i thought it was shit. two weeks later i come back and hey, its actually good stuff. good songs like fundamentalist and trust me mixed with songs like desire us a flood and the rigor mortis shake... this is good stuff yeah, some of the other discussions may be even more infantile, but at least they are amusing. the "no rules" shit is just common knowledge. anyone that thinks they live by no rules whatsoever is incredibly naive. whats more infantile? this conversation, the conversation going on between scott and some anonymous guy on the other viva death review "man nufan's got some hot girlfriends" conversation. im not above calling this conversation infantile, cause it kind of is. look at it in this sense, this conversation is the intellectual equivalent of three years old tea party, but most of the conversations on this page are hell of a lot less meaningful. You can do just as much with a baritone guitar as you can a regular guitar. It's all just a matter of ability. yes this conversation is incredibly stupid because you guys wax poetic about something so incredibly infantile. there will always be rules in some way, shape, or form and we follow them whether we realize it or not. simple as that. ignorance is bliss, at least you'll die a happy man. btw im not in high school, i just may have more education than you do. I'm donew with this board, I'm tired of arguing with highschoolers who think they need rules. Later dopes People...whgat a sad world you live in- to point at someone and say they are stuck in a decade- THERE ARE NO DECADES DUMBASS, it's just something created in your mind. No rules is not a rule in itself buddy, because if you do what you want someone else will do what they want, if they conflict, then the strongest will survive bud, that isn't a rule. That's just fact. You hide behind your rules, behind your lame group ideology, behind your generation gaps and strong reliance on your society. And I knowq all of the little unintelligent kids are gonna come on and say how I thinkl I'm mr. Punk and how im stuck some where, but unlike you idiotic children, I understand this stuff as it is because it is truth, not because you guys think it has something to do with someone's scene or a decade. You guys are sad, a disgrace to being a human. You're part of the problem. Right up there with the moron president of this "country"- you sir, are a moron! you think this conversation is stupid? not to mention, the no rules ideology is a total oxymoron. the no rules idea is a rule itself. in order to have no rules, you have to have common agreement with peole that there are no rules. its a complete and total contradiction. "You idiots with your groups and little rules are the reason why punk is dead." No, actuall,y it's an overlooked idea- overlooked by chickshits like you. Clothes aren't rules stupid, we wear them to keep our skin from being burned and for other common sense reasons, and I don't comb my hair so don't start that shit dummy. you wear clothes right? you comb your hair? you bathe? you drive on the right side of the road (if you're american)? these are rules my friend and they're called culture. culture is nothing but set of rules to live by and you were told to follow them and ill bet my "for your lungs only" 7" that you follow at least three of them. i dont mean to destroy your fantasy but everything you and i are...is based on a set of rules that we follow. Anyone who believes in rules is a complete and total idiot. You liove by what is right and wrong in your opinion, not by rules dumbass. If you think someone else can tell you what to do you are a sad, sad example of mankind. no rules is a retarded and impossible idea...one i bet you've convinced yourself you live by. You idiots with your groups and little rules are the reason why punk is dead. a very important point that is only relevant to you HA! HA! HA! You guys just proved my point with the past 5 idiotic rantings! HA! morons oops..3 posts below me..sorry..now actaully 4 two posts below me...the rantingly idiotic sxe conversation that you had to take part in...join the idiocy brigade, we are taking new members. The most unhealthy people I know are vegans. Maybe it's healthy to be an educated vegan, but certainly not an uneducated one. hey fatty, Children, Children, Children....................this is a comment for this rantingly idiotic sXe arguement. First off, when Ian MacKaye yelled, "I've got the straight edge!", he meant that he felt like he was a "straight edge" of a razor or something, very clean and to the point. The whole idea is just a healthy and unidiotic way of thinking, it's not a group or a cult like you stupid little kids make it out to be. There are no rules, if you wanna smoke and drink go for it, it's your choice. It's just not a smart or healthy one, I mean, if your in a fight or if you're an athlete- smoking and drinking are gonna slow you down. It's just common sense, you peple are so stupid, punk isn't about groups and cults and that nonsense, it's about being yourself and doing whatever the fuck you want, no rules kids, no boundaries- the only ones there are the ones that you've created yourself in your head. As far as the Vegan thing goes, it is, again, just common sense. Beef and pork are extremely high in fat content, fish and chicken are far wiser choices- but overall eating tofu, vegetables, fruits and other foods is a much healthier way to go, Tofu is full of protien, great for building muscle, no meat is truely needed therefore it is just "filler". And I'm sure some people do it because they don't like eating dead animals as well, but that's up to them and is their choice, not yours, so why the fuck are you bagging on them? All this "I'll do it cause it's trendy or cause it's cool" shit is really getting annoying, grow a brain and a sense of self worth, you petty fools. To the anonymous guy below me: sir, you like the promise ring, and you want to chug brand new's collective shvenzer. why you are reviewing this - wait. why you are reviewing at all is beyond me. its not a debate, debates have winners and losers, this is a dialogue. Well, this is rapidly turning into a straight edge debate, but to the guy who asked: ap had an open minded review because they're a shit rag. the rip of our generation. there are a lot of people out there who dont smoke marijuana who fit that description as well. probabably more. marijuana is worse to me. I'd rather be in a dark alley with a heroin fiend than a pothead. early cure kicks ass. i got a question for the person who posted like 4 below this. i mean no disrespect to your lifestyle, but do you believe the idea self medication (drug use) will lead to an ignorant person? There's kinda an early Cure sound in some of the songs,and Scott has this hot Bauhaus sort of David Bowieish sound to his voice.I really enjoyed hearing another side of Scott and Trever.Something they would've never expressed in face to face.I'd love to see this live. {by the way,I totally disagree,Trever is not monotone} Amen chaser, i dig this alot,if you like f2f, you should like this,the reviewer in alternative press had a really open minded review of this. (scott why dont you open yours-oldpunker- I was lucky enough to get my hands on this album a while ago. I find it refreshing. Misled is a great song, buying the whole album is totally worth it just for that one alone. But there are others that rock just as much. I am going to have to agree with Scott on this one. While it starts off pretty well, the boredom factor creeps up pretty quickly before you hid the middle of the record. I like it.... ,remember everone this review is from scott.. Someone who obviously has crappy taste in music anyway i'll never understand sXe Tylenol is not aspirin. Not a bad album, but not a great album either. I do prefer it to the lastest face to face record. Desire is a flood and trust me are the best tracks. "what the fucks wrong with drinkin a few beers will some buds while watching a game or something" i imagine there are sxers out there who dont ingest sugar either...some (i did say some) of them can be a bit...hmmm...over-zealous I wouldn't say that Viva Death absolutely sucks. Most of the songs are well written and the baritone songs give the sound more towards outlaw. But like the last Face To Face, the damn arena rock ruined it and so did it on this album. Trever voice is to monotone to sing all these songs. If you're like me, try and find the album for 5 bucks like I did. Since when are straight edgers not allowed to take aspirin? I had some Tylenol last night. straight edge is the biggest joke in the world half the kids who are sxe end up breaking it. what the fucks wrong with drinkin a few beers will some buds while watching a game or something. that shit is soo lame. why not take a pill to relieve your headache instead of just bearing it no thinks your cool your just a fuckin idiot. To the anonymous poster 3 comments down: the last face to face record is the shit why u trashing keith, this is totally scotts project, he wrote 13 of the 15 songs, and trever is the shit, and what do u mean predictable voice? what the fuck does that mean......when u here fat mikes voice, u can tell who it is, when u here tim armstrong's voice u can tell who it is, the whole point is to have a distinctive voice. i do agree that this cd isnt all that great, but dont go trashing the guys because they tried something new. It's not the theme to pulp fiction. It's Miserlou by Dick Dale and the Daletones. Just as a point of clarification. Hey Scott, Don't buy into the mp3s! Like I said in the review, it sounds good for a few songs, but when there's 15 tracks of it, it gets *really* old. Wow. I really like those songs... As far as I know, was it not Ian Mackaye who introduced being a vegan to being staight edge? I've read interviews with him where he said he was, and was ridiculed for it, and for all of a sudden 'changing the rules' as he put it. I like baritone guitars so thats me. From those mp3's it sounds pretty good and I disagree about Trever's voice, it's great, give me it anyday than whiny nasal scream. Straight edge like Minor Threat. I'm pretty sure this band sucks Well first off, Straight edge like the Minor Threat version or the Earth Crisis Version? (Fancy way of asking if you're a vegan) To the anonymous poster 2 comments down: i like older face to face, but i agree with scott that trevor keith does not have the best of voices. it is pretty bland. "Then add in Trever Keith's predictable monotone voice" I enjoyed your review. you suck, there, i said it. |
