Thrice / Hot Water Music / Coheed and Cambria

Thrice/Hot Water Music/Coheed and Cambria: live in Hollywoodlive in Hollywood (2002)
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Reviewer Rating: 3.5

Contributed by: WussEmoRockWussEmoRock
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Homework, or Thrice? I am only kidding, I don't even know where my backpack is. To set the mood for the evening, it is a Sunday night at 7 oclock and my friends and I have just arrived to the very small and intimate Troubador. We got there 30 minutes late and ended up missing out on Curl Up and.

Homework, or Thrice?

I am only kidding, I don't even know where my backpack is. To set the mood for the evening, it is a Sunday night at 7 oclock and my friends and I have just arrived to the very small and intimate Troubador. We got there 30 minutes late and ended up missing out on Curl Up and Die, who we had heard good things about from people at the Chain Reaction "Thrice Secret Show."

Enough of the negative, let's move onto, well; some more negative. The merch area looked like something you would see at a local band's show. The bands had nothing there. Well, Hot Water Music had a good selection, but anyone in the mood for a good Thrice shirt, you have 4 choices. In the mood for anything else, you're shit out of luck!

Onto the show we go...

Coheed and Cambria from New York walked onto the stage, playing a mixture of emo, rock, and a small touch of hardcore. To some of you that might be very wrong, but the truth of the matter is they are a hard band to classify in a certain genre, unless you have a genre titled "Boring." Their music was very uninspired, and in a 30 minute set they only managed to play 5 songs (which shows how long each song dragged out for). The music was actually not too bad, but the vocals were atrocious. The lead singer (who has more hair than anyone I have ever seen) sings higher than any person I have ever heard in my entire life, including STD and NFG. It made the music seem like a joke, cause his voice sounded identical to a little girl.

Since I am making up new genres of music tonight, I have another one for you all. "Every song sounds the same." Hot Water Music fits into this category quite nicely. This 4 piece band from Gainesville, Florida managed to co-headline this show and play one song over and over for 45 minutes. Nobody got into their set, with the exception of about 10 people who knew the words and were bobbing their heads. If you are unfamiliar with this band, they are sort of hardcore, with dual vocals. The bass player looks like he should be in Flogging Molly. I know that not anyone on here will agree with me, but this band reminded me of Face to Face live. The only good thing about this bands set was they had energy, and if they didn't have that "talent," we all would have been asleep in our shoes.

To answer my question, I would definitely pick Thrice. This band, with their melodic sound of hardcore and punk, really bring a lot to their music. They are a must see live. During their solos and guitar riffs (which is at least 3 times every song) the crowd puts their hands into the air and instead of pumping their fists, mimicks playing a guitar solo. The band is full of energy, and played a nice mixture of songs off of "Identity Crisis" and "Illusion of Safety." Ending with "T&C" and beginning with "Kill me Quickly," this was a show that could not be missed.

I am dissapointed I missed the opening band, but if they were anything like the two openers I saw, I guess I was rather lucky. Thrice should headling this whole tour in my opinion, and the rest of their hometown here tonight would probably agree with me. My only complaint of the whole night had to be when they didn't play my two favorite songs, both of which are on their first release, "Identity Crisis." "Ultra Blue" and "To What End." My score is for the show, not Thrice. If it was for Thrice, it would be way above a 10.


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evildeadalive (November 22, 2002)

Oh yeah, I agree they are more popular, I'm just saying that all of Thrices popularity isn't necassarily(god, I have no idea how to spell that word) coming from Thurdays coattails.

WussEmoRock (November 22, 2002)

to the anonymous guy, you really do have a good head on your shoulders. seriously! AND, I have been listening to C&C lately, and I am actually starting to get use to his voice, and even finding myself enjoying it at some parts. It is growing...HWM, well, they aren't. sorry


tgarn (November 21, 2002)

"I know a hell of a lot of people who like Thrice, and almost no one who like Thursday. Myself included." Should we look at cd sales, magazine articles, and mtv2 video rotations to prove my point? Sure that does not mean their a better band, but it does prove their more popular.

Anonymous (November 21, 2002)

reviewer: I was going to start this w/ a "you're fucking clueless" response...but i will admit i thought the same things when i saw coheed the first time, and when i heard hot water too. I suggest you listen to a coheed CD. and as for hot water, i personally think they're a perfect example of what a band sticking together and challenging themselves a little can do...they keep writing progressively better songs on the whole (i know a few of their earlier songs are their best ever, as with most bands, etc) and their live show is absolutely one of the best you'll ever see.

evildeadalive (November 21, 2002)

I know a hell of a lot of people who like Thrice, and almost no one who like Thursday. Myself included.

tgarn (November 20, 2002)

who cares if thrice has "been doing their own thing" in california for a couple of years they would not be nearly as popular as they are now without Thursday, thats a fact. Go and read any magazine article featuring thursday and they will mention Thrice as a band that has the same sound. So when some trendy kids see this they automatically think thrice is cool. "See you down in Arizona Bay."

Anonymous (November 19, 2002)

"Man who ever reviewed this show is a piece of shi.t that fuc.king right a piece of shi.t, Coheed and Cambria is the best most original band at this time and no good dam internet show reviewer from califagitfornia is going to defile thier name. I like this web site, but i hope to never see one of your posts again"

go to hell homophobe.
and on your way, get over yourself

Anonymous (November 19, 2002)

i saw this show in richmond virginia when hot water music was headlining like they should have been there. You must not have paid attentiion at all to the set at all. Buy the CD forever and counting and dig the fucking wax out of your ears. By the way visit www.froth.org

waste_elite (November 19, 2002)

did that kid actually say "califagitfornia"?

Dubar (November 19, 2002)

anyways going WAY back to "whats wrong with illusion of safety?"

Identity Crisis is a great album. In fact, its one of my all-time favorite albums. It is all-around consistent, with LOTS of energy, and start to finish is almost filler-free.

with Illusion of Safety, it seemed to me almost like Thrice listened to identity crisis, and asked themselves "what did we do that makes people like this so much?" and then tried to replicate it. Its like Thrice is trying to be a Thrice cover band. The result? The melodic parts are TOO melodic and the metal parts are TOO metal and it doesnt blend as well. The great thing about identity crisis is that they can blend the melodic vocals with the hardcore vocals and the metal riffs and it sounds GOOD together, while illusion of safety has WAY too much contrast. Its not a horrible CD, but it doesnt grip me like the first one, and some of the songs I just have to skip EVERY time.

Now that they're on island, I'm almost 100% sure I'm going to hate the next album completely, based on the direction they were headed already.

Anonymous (November 18, 2002)

Man who ever reviewed this show is a piece of shi.t that fuc.king right a piece of shi.t, Coheed and Cambria is the best most original band at this time and no good dam internet show reviewer from califagitfornia is going to defile thier name. I like this web site, but i hope to never see one of your posts again

Anonymous (November 18, 2002)

you are a dumb ass for writing a review like this. Coheed is one of the best bands right now and gets better every time they come to town. You should take a quick kick in the sack for bad mouthing them, along with bashing the great hot water music. You're a large ass slap. And saying that coheed is a joke is pretty fuckin cleaver, if your brains are in your ass. Buy coheeds cd, then see them live, and if you aren't impressed, you can go listen to your NFG. fag

Edgie (November 18, 2002)

Yeah, maybe they could use a bit of a break between albums to write up beter material. But you know what? What they do now is much bette than a lot of bands do who spend years in between putting out albums. And to tell the truth, they have so many albums out I couldn't even tell you which one I like best, but throw any of the ones I've listened to on and I'd be bobbing my head and probably singing along.

We're not even talking about their live material, but face it, they're one of the best live bands out there. They have so much energy and passion it just makes the whole set better.

My favorte show I've been to was The Curse/The Pietasters/Hot Water Music/Bouncing Souls (at The Masquerade in Ybor City). They put on such an incredible set, and then Bouncing Souls came on and kicked even more ass than they did. The Pietasters rocked too.

But bleh, I'm babbling. Most people I talk to like this band, even friends who don't like punk. Just something about them that's attractive to all types of people.

Hamish (November 18, 2002)

I don't get everyone's beef with the HWM's epitaph releases. Different? Yes. Still really good? Yes.

Anonymous (November 18, 2002)

HWM is one of the most talented, energetic, passionate, and prolific artists in music today. I know that it's all a matter of opinion, but Thrice has nothing on them. and my spelling sucks.

Anonymous (November 18, 2002)

To everyone dismissing Hot Water Music as boring, I guarantee that you are basing your opinion on their releases since signing to epitaph. I dislike everything post No Division, but their earlier stuff is some of the most incredible music I have ever heard in my life.

Anonymous (November 18, 2002)


Whats even more baffling is your love for RBF...

Its like jr. ska-punk. Sure the 1st album was ok, but grow up bro.


TheBouncingSoul (November 18, 2002)

"To that guy who claims that him and "Trevor" from face to face are such good pals...I don't think he'd appreciate you spelling his name wrong. Your on crack if you think all of face to face's records are "crap"..."

bahahahaha, you fucker, you beat me to it....

conform (November 18, 2002)

Score for stoopid people. Anyone who doesn't like HWM, well they just don't have a soul. Simple as that.

Anonymous (November 18, 2002)

Thrice is okay, but after you hear other bands, they just dont seem as good. Their singer's voice is too generic. Hot Water Music is awesome, Caution is awesome, but i didn't like Flight & Crash that much.

maverick (November 17, 2002)

Some guy a few comments down defended Hot Water Music as being great because "they're always writing new songs."

That's my biggest pet peeve about HWM - they write too many goddamn songs! If they just took a year or two off and really tried to write a cohesive album, and not just crank out a dozen songs every 6 months on various comps/splits/etc, they would definitely re-establish themselves as frontrunners in today's scene.

But instead they feel content putting out a fuckload of releases every year - I'd say the band releases at least 20 songs a year. Sure, there are some gems in those batches, but there's a *lot* of filler, too.

I love Hot Water Music, I really do. I own almost everything they've ever released [still need that split with Rydell, though]. I just wish they would take some time off and really re-hone their sound. Their last 2 albums have just been ripoffs of themselves.


Hamish (November 17, 2002)

Great melodies, varied song structure, amazing double vocals, powerful lyrics, passionate delivery, a great sense of dynamics, an overwhelming sense of honesty and excellent song-writing. That's why I love HWM.

WussEmoRock (November 17, 2002)

For the life of me, I will never understand what you all see in HWM. I can understand how soe of you might enjoy them, but from the overall reaction of this site it always seems like they are everyones favorite band. Explain how that works.


Anonymous (November 17, 2002)

What the fuck is up with that man? Hot Water Music is such an incredible band. They're constantly touring and constantly writing new songs, and definately a band to look forward to whenever they're playing. Live they're incredible as well, they sound great and have incredible energy. I've seen em 3 times now in the past year and a half, and I'd never have any problems seeing them again.

Pull your head out of your ass.

Anonymous (November 17, 2002)

Ok, hold on let me get something straight. This scene isn't supposed to care about dress or any other type of materialistic bullshit right? So why does it matter so much what someone wears? When did music become a fucking fashion? Is wearing a "cool" band's shirt better than wearing hurley? That is just as much worrying about fashion as anyone else. Why do people have to look like the fucking music they listen to? Why do people have to be so defensive? Why isn't it cool for someone to look at you and not know what kind of music you listen to? I used to love this scene but now it is starting to make me sick! Trendy is not just wearing Abercrombie, it's also giving it to the idea that the music you listen to dictates what you look like. The great this is, I know someone is going to have something to say about this also. Fucking respect music!

WussEmoRock (November 17, 2002)

Seriously people, when did it become cool to hate Thrice?

Just because someone who listens to Disturbed or whatever else likes them doesn't mean that they aren't a good band, I mean come on, grow up!


Anonymous (November 17, 2002)

WussEmo is an idiot, he is a moron and he knows it. Hell, just ignore him!

Anonymous (November 17, 2002)


To this genius.

1) Swearing to make your point makes you sound ignorant and no one will take you seriously.
2) Again, mentioning Thrice's crowd lends no credibility to your argument.
3) Knowing the band members names is only a sign that your opinion is personally biased.
4) Actually, the Thrice guys gave me and my friend two tickets to get in because there was a mess up on the Epitaph guest list. Its the second time they've helped me get into a show. Oh, and I don't wear Hurley.
5) What someone wears doesnt have anything to do with whether or not they like good music. Obviously, you think that you dress "right", but I'd bet I wouldn't like a lot of your music.

I agree with the guy who wrote one of the only articulate posts a few below me. I've had the oppurtunity to meet and interview Thrice a few times and every time they were incredibly nice. I was excited to read this review because I caught the Glasshouse show and was looking forward to seeing a review of a show that I loved. Yes, it was not the best review ever written, but it seems that just because people don't agree with THIS ONE PERSON'S OPINION they've turned it into this junior high shit throwing contest. Its this attitude that is the blaring contradiction in underground music - and its sad. No, its pathetic.

Love music because its good. Not because the people around you are dressed like you. Not because the people around you might have a different taste in music from you. Then you're just as much a sheep as someone at a Disturbed show, only you're in a smaller pen.

When I saw this tour, I thought it was an excellent representation of what underground music had to offer - three bands sonically different, but thriving together none the less. And people going to the shows to support such creativity. NOT what the the people on this page seem to be promoting: the same closemindedness you think mainstream audiences have.

Anonymous (November 17, 2002)

hold the phone...this kid likes thrice? i deem this review null and void.

Anonymous (November 17, 2002)

There's a very simple way to sum up this tour... The three bands were all amazing. These are three of the most talented bands out there, and we were lucky enough to see them all at one show... ?

TJmoney (November 17, 2002)

STRUNG OUT!!!!! props to the guy who mentioned Strung Out...ummm saying the one band sounded like one long drawn out song sounds like my opinion from when I saw from autumn to ashes...I've never heard C&C though. Turnstile and Free Radio Gainesville by HWM are 2 badass songs. I like thrice too...so ummm yeah

Anonymous (November 17, 2002)

To the stupid ass mother fucker that wrote this shitty uninspired waste of internet space review, I think that you should have your vital organs removed rectally. Those organs should then be fed back to you so that you can shit them out and eat your own shit. Thrice is one of the most mediocre bands out right now and they are barely worthy to be the first band on this tour. Comparing Hot Water Music and Coheed and Cambria to Thrice is like comparing you to somebody who can actually form an intelligent sentence. Hot Water Music are one of the best live bands around right now and they deserve so much more respect than what your shitty review accorded them. Chuck from HWM actually let two of my friends into the Glass House Show for free because they couldn't find tickets. I don't think Dustin, Tepei, or those other two butt pirates in Thrice would ever show that kind of appreciation to the hurley wearing bro's that condider themselves fans of their awful, awful music. Eat shit and die you piece of human waste!! Sincerely, Fuck YOU!

Anonymous (November 16, 2002)

I love all the bands that played and I think its funny how everyone of you little punks think you are the definitive source on music. So easy to be a critic when next to none of you have probably ever been in a band...just dont be so quick to put done a band. Its nice to see all of you at home on a friday night while these people are out touring the nation doing what they love for a living...what the hell have you done with your life?

Anonymous (November 16, 2002)

i consider myself a Thrice AND HWM fan. But Im sorry, Thrice can't touch Hot Water in any respect. Put your hard hat back on Thrice, and hit the road for many more years and put out many more albums and then we'll try to compare. Cause right now, Hot Water is still a top shelf band and ya Thrice might be on their way but they aren't there yet.

Anonymous (November 16, 2002)

oh no, please dont say it's so. They only had a choice of 4 shirts at the merch stand? damn, life really must suck for you?

Anonymous (November 16, 2002)

screamo hahhahahahahahah
Twelve hour turn is screamo. thrice is not.

You need to read up on your emo definitions at www.fourfa.com hahaha...jk, but unfortuntly that site might actually help you.

Anonymous (November 16, 2002)

Usually when I am friends with someone I can spell thier name right. "Trever".
I have 7 hot water music albums. I can say that face to face's Don't Turn Away,S/T,Ignornace Is Bliss, And the Why aern't you happy Ep are alot better albums than any of hot water music's work. I have lost alot of faith in hot water music's work in the last two albums. I don't think hot water will ever make a better album than forever and counting.

Anonymous (November 16, 2002)

"Im sick of screamo... sick of thrice... sick of coheed and cambria... hot water music is ok though."

those bands and screamo are in no way related

Anonymous (November 16, 2002)

Please explain how Thrice got big on Thursday's coattails. Please.

Thrice has been doing their own thing here on the west coast for over two years. Playing houses and garages, sleeping in vans, and then playing real shows. They've worked harder than most bands I've seen.

Yes, they're doing rather well. Does that mean that the band who isnt doing as well is any better? No.

So your sister who likes Disturbed likes Thrice? At least she's found some good music. Maybe through Thrice she'll find HWM and Jawbreaker.

My point is, don't bash a VERY talented band just because they've seen a little success? There are very, VERY few younger bands that can match their combination of lyrics, musicianship and songwriting.

I've had the pleasure of doing a few shows with the band and they've always been the most humble, supportive people. Watching them grow as a band in the scenester-drenched Orange County was a great lesson in who they are. They didn't join any scene at all. They just played whatever show they could get on. They weren't scenester kids. They were just four friends who loved playing music for the sake of their love of music itself.

So now, reading this thread, it makes me sad. Its sad that you're all so divisive about four guys who never were. Four guys who only cared about good music. And isnt that what this is all about? The music? Not WHO ELSE is that the show (as many of your posts have) or WHAT they were wearing. If everyone's there for good music, I'd take that as a good thing.

May some of you be as lucky as me and have a chance to meet the band. May they be a good example of what this "scene" is supposed to be as they have been to me.

Isn't it so easy and comfortable to be a critic?

Anonymous (November 16, 2002)

"thrice is a flavor of the week band who gained this popularity on thursdays coat tails. Hot water Music is band that people will be talking about for years, because their original, hardworking, and aren't on some trendy bandwagon."
hate to break it to you honey, but thrice has been quite popular for some time. maybe you midwest/eastern coast kids are just catching wind of them, but over here, they've been known, and have proved more than the flavor of the week.

"During their solos and guitar riffs (which is at least 3 times every song) the crowd puts their hands into the air and instead of pumping their fists, mimicks playing a guitar solo."
i've seen kids do that at every hardcore show, not just thrice's.

tgarn (November 16, 2002)

oh yeah, crappy metal riffs and solos does not equal talent, thrice is far from being classic.

tgarn (November 16, 2002)

thrice is a flavor of the week band who gained this popularity on thursdays coat tails. Hot water Music is band that people will be talking about for years, because their original, hardworking, and aren't on some trendy bandwagon. Coheed is amazing.

burstandbloom (November 16, 2002)

I dig coheed and cambria, they are so different from anything that I have heard in a while. I last saw them at The Troubadour in Hollywood with From Autumn to Ashes, who put Thrice to shame (I do like Thrice, however, they just aren't nearly as good). I had always found Hot Water Music's stuff to be kind of hard to swallow until I caught them on the warped tour. Their live show was awesome.
*Boycott Walmart and Sam's club for refusing to fill perscriptions for the morning-after pill in their pharmacies*

BostonMusicGuy (November 16, 2002)

Im sick of screamo... sick of thrice... sick of coheed and cambria... hot water music is ok though.-BostonMusicGuy

Anonymous (November 16, 2002)

To that guy who claims that him and "Trevor" from face to face are such good pals...I don't think he'd appreciate you spelling his name wrong. Your on crack if you think all of face to face's records are "crap"...

Anonymous (November 16, 2002)

From reading the comments I guess most people don't know what good music is. The "Illusion of Safety" is one of the best albums of all-time. The music and lyrics(especially the guitars) are some of the best ever. I don't know if anyone can beat the raw power and beauty of Thrice's music, maybe Strung Out could give Thrice a challenge for most talented musicians. Everybody should wake up and listen to Illusion of Safety and realize what a classic album it is and always will be!

Hamish (November 16, 2002)


maverick (November 16, 2002)

Am I the only person here who likes Hot Water Music *and* Thrice?


Anonymous (November 16, 2002)

How can anyone possibly deny that HWM is one of the finest bands touring these days? I saw them several years ago, before I had been able to listen to them on record at any length, and was just blown away. They continue to write some of the most melodic, anthemic punk songs out there(check out Paper Thin, from "A Flight and A Crash" to see what I mean. And to even compare them to Face to Face(who are a good live band in their own right, though their records have sucked since Don't Turn Away, except for one)is just stupid. They sound nothing alike and HWM is infinitely more talented, as Trevor would even be willing to admit (yes, although I don't like much of their music, I'm good friends with Trevor). So Emowusscrackheadstupidshit, get it together before you write stupid shit like that. And by the way, I've seen more intelligent reviews written by Jr High School kids. What a dope.

Anonymous (November 16, 2002)

to the comment below (me), liking hwm singer is almost an aquired taste, such as liking the lead singer of against all authority. its brutal man.

Anonymous (November 16, 2002)

ok, there were way too many comments to get all of your opinions, but i got the gist. i must agree (regretfully, i guess) with wuss that hot water music has always sounded.. well, not as great as the hype that surrounds them. the only album i have with any of their shit on it is the split with alk3, and their volcalist just pisses me off. there is nothing artistic about a guy who needs to clear his throat, and badly. thrice, however, provides me with well constructed ENTERTAINMENT. the lyrics are reasonably deep, the seem pretty intelligent, and dustin can SING. not only that, he can scream pretty well too. i guess it all comes down to the simplistic fact that whatever that guy from hwm does, it doesnt appeal to me. big fucking deal, i dont worship them, THEREFORE, yes, all of their sounds sound the fucking same sorry that i dont listen to them (or worship them) enough to notice the subtle differences between this song and that, but its just loud, powerful, and somewhat repetitive music.

coheed and cambria are quite good, but i was a little disappointed with their live show, it lacked the energy that i expected from them, their heavy parts just didnt move as they even do when im in my car.

thrice sold me after i first saw them in the small venue at the grog shop. i mean they put on the most energetic show i've seen to date. i will admit though, their drummer fucking stinks. he was really concentrating on the ride cymbal quarter notes, and didnt seem into the music at all.

btw, i didnt even stay for hwm at this show, however, just as a disclaimer, i have seem them a coupla times before, so im not just pulling this outta my ass.

Anonymous (November 16, 2002)

"Illusion of Safety was close to brilliance."

The only thing brilliant about that cd was the sun reflecting off the jewel case into my eyes. Aside from that I think it's rather dull.


Anonymous (November 16, 2002)

face to face sounds like HWM....how many of each of both respective bands have you listened to?

While I prefer f2f over HWM - I can't TOTALLY tell them easily apart (insert sarcasm HERE). Wuss Emo Rock...do yourself a favor, next time pull your head out of your ass before entering a show.

Anonymous (November 16, 2002)

face to face sounds like HWM....how many of each of both respective bands have you listened to?

While I prefer f2f over HWM - I can't TOTALLY tell them easily apart. Wuss Emo Rock...do yourself a favor, next time pull your head out of your ass before entering a show.

projectaudicide (November 16, 2002)

Identity Crisis was VERY mediocre.

Illusion of Safety was close to brilliance.

Thrice was really good when I saw them at the troubador and I didn't notice the drummer playing any slower. In fact, most of the songs were right on beat.

Coheed and Cambria suprised me, I enjoyed them, I really couldn't believe the tightness they had and the singer did kind of annoy me. talented? yes. Annoying? sometimes.

I was there to see hot water music, and they didn't dissapoint.


WussEmoRock (November 15, 2002)

someone please tell me what is wrong with "Illusion of Safety?" Personally, I think it is a great CD, not quite up there with "Identity Crisis," but still very good.


Hamish (November 15, 2002)

Wow, this review generated a lot of controversy (hah, wait till *mine* gets posted). To add to my earlier comment, I do think that C&C is pretty mediocre. Not awful by any means, but I don't see the reason for the buzz. Yes, they are really good musicians (especially the bass player) and their music is very intricate, but it's also very uninteresting. The guitar parts just drone on and on without going anywhere. I have no problem with long songs (in fact, I think there should be more of them), but length needs to be justified and C&C can't do that. Intricate and complicated: yes. Interesting: no.

As for the vocals, people either seem to love them or hate them. I absolutely can't stand them. His voice is just irritating beyond words. One thing I've noticed is, it seems like that's the big attraction with the music. Since high whinny voices are in vogue right now, it seems like that's the reason a lot of people like the band, as the 15 year old girl quotient at the show seemed to indicate. Not that all their fans are like that (I'm sure the people speaking up in their defense on this board really do enjoy their music), but I think a lot of their popularity can be attributed to that fact, seeing as the band is marketed to the Saves the Day/Taking Back Sunday crowd. Food for thought anyway. So to reiterate, mediocre band.

Anonymous (November 15, 2002)

all of those bands are good, but HWM is one of the most hardworking, consistent band ever and Coheed just kills everyone. not that thrice isn't good, but i think CoCa and HWM are both much, much better.

and scott's right, when it comes to lyrics, no one (i mean NO ONE) touches jawbreaker.

tgarn (November 15, 2002)

wussemorock is a douche bag

w3nis (November 15, 2002)

Thrice is horrible go back to the mall kid.

Anonymous (November 15, 2002)

You can pretty much tell there are 2 different crowds, in general, for HWM and Thrice. Thrice put on a good show, but HWM was better.

waste_elite (November 15, 2002)

HWM music is about 100x better than thrice. if you think every HWM song sounds the same, you aren't listening very closely.

Anonymous (November 15, 2002)

My sister called me and asked me if I had heard of this "cool new band" called Thirce. She listens to Disturbed and Limp Biscuit. Nuf said.

Anonymous (November 15, 2002)

Ok. The review was thankfully well written even though your taste in music is fucking atrocious.

Some points:

1) I don't see how you can't be satisfied with a selection of 4 shirts. That should be fucking plenty for anyone.

2) Coheed and Cambria are about as close to boring as your taste in music is as close to being good.

3) HWM is fucking amazing live. Every song certainly does not sound the same. Clean the wax out of your ears.

4) Thrice does put on a good show, but HWM and C&C shit all over them.

I saw this show in DC and if Thrice would have played more than 2 songs from identity crisis I would have been much happier. "Illusion..." was the biggest disappointment of the year for me.


Anonymous (November 15, 2002)

I saw HWM back in 2000 at Warped L.A. and this was when no one knew (atleast in LA) who they were. They were on a tiny stage at about 1 pm and I remember there being only about 20- 25 people watching and they fucking rocked hard as hell. They were full of energy and I immediately dug their song "Better Sense". They were a very good and energetic live band, and gave it their all despite the small crowd. I don't think you guys should get upset by WussEmoRock....Anybody who is a republican and like New Found Glory CANNOT be taken seriously. I like to mess with him, but most of the time I (and you) should just ignore him and maybe he'll go back to hounding the MCA or Bush Lover's Admistration site instead of this one.

Anonymous (November 15, 2002)

The two reason I will never waste my money on thrice again are:
1. They never play the good songs off of Idenitity Crises. All they play is that crappy Illusion album.
2. Thier live show always makes me feel ripped off.

Anonymous (November 15, 2002)

I saw this in pomona. There were way to many "bros" there to see thrice. Cuad and Coheed were incredible. HWM has been better. They only played 2 old songs which completely bummed me out. I left before thrice because they are boring and their fans are idiots.

Anonymous (November 15, 2002)

I respect WussEmoRock for his review,but
Thirce have nothing on hot water and face to face. I saw hot water music on the first plea for peace tour and I had only heard two songs from them before that. They put on one of the best shows I had ever seen. Oh, and face to face is one of the best live bands ever. I do agree that thrice's new album is complete crap. Thrice would put on a better show if they didn't play 90% new songs when I saw them in Atlanta with face to face. I thought it was funny, because the album had only been out for a few weeks to a month. They didn't even play T@C,Idenitity Crises,Ultra Blue,To What End.

Anonymous (November 15, 2002)

what was I awwed by buddy? I told you what happened at the show, and no it is not my first show ever haha. To all the commens about HWM, I gave you my opinion, take it or leave it. But, not everyone in the world has to like that band, it is possible that it just doesn't fancy some people, like myself

*****Wuss-Emo-Rock***** (at school)

Dubar (November 15, 2002)

this score's for the review

"I can't get into Thrice at all. I've listened many times to Illusion of Safety and I still don't get it, I guess. "

just a quick sidenote, to that guy: Thrice's first album, Identity Crisis, is one of my all-time favorite albums, but I can't for the life of me enjoy illusion of safety. If you havent heard it, try checking that one out.

Back to wuss's shitty review:

rather than complain a bunch:
1. HWM are great
2. Thrice only had 4 shirts at the merch table?!?!?!! Oh my god?! Thats crazy! its like they're a local band or something


3. Not directly aimed at wuss, but does anyone else notice how it seems like 60-70% of the reviews around here sound like its someone's first show ever? The reviewers are always awed by the most common things...

Anonymous (November 15, 2002)

You make it sound like you had never heard Hot Water Music before...

Anonymous (November 15, 2002)

Stupid Hollywood kids. I just get more and more enraged every time I read his comments about HWM. I guess they just don't create the mind-blowing music that Rell Big Fish does, huh? I tried to refrain in the past from mocking you Wuss, I really did. But this just takes the cake. I don't like to judge people by their taste in music, but you are truly a moron. Did you ever think that maybe the songs sound the same because they have their own style and a definitive sound? Do you know anything about music, other than where the ex-Mojo bands are doing in their spare time? Your officially out of the club turn in your uniform and get outta the clubhouse. Choad.


Anonymous (November 15, 2002)

thrice is fun to listen to, but they're not doing anything incredible.

coheed and cambria are amazing

Anonymous (November 15, 2002)

and my score of 10 is a score for Spectacular things. Al Qaeda on ice, anyone?

Anonymous (November 15, 2002)

God, WussEmoRock, you have the worst taste ever. Fine, this review may be okay as far as reviews go, but, damnit man, you need to have something in your head rewired. First off, I'll say I'm not a huge fan of HWM based soley on the fact that I don't like the singing - I've never been down with that particular style. But to insult CO&CA by saying they're.. BORING? These are some amazingly talented musicians your review shits on, and the vocal range of CO&CA should make you fall to your knees in admiration. It's not your thing? Fine - but BORING? Do you even know what that word means?

Hamish (November 15, 2002)

There is nothing boring or "untalented" about HWM. And comparing them to F2F is heresay! I have rarely seen a band put so much energy and heart behind their songs as HWM does. Not to mention that they're great songwriters and their songs really don't sound all that similiar (especially when they play live and have songs from all different eras). Sounds like you need to give them another listen.

I also reviewed a show from this tour, hopefully it'll be posted soon. Curl Up and Die was terrible, C&C was mediocre at best and HWM blew everyone off the stage. I've always found Thrice to be mediocre, both in the studio and live, so I left early. HWM's show on this tour was by far one of the best sets I have ever witnessed (and it was my 6th time seeing them).

Anonymous (November 15, 2002)

I saw this show in Cleveland. Personally, I can't get into Thrice at all. I've listened many times to Illusion of Safety and I still don't get it, I guess. In my mind, they're a below average metal band.

I don't agree with your comments about HWM. While I believe that they do have a sound that not everyone enjoys right away, they have a distinct sound. No one even comes close. Every album is really very solid, if different.

One problem, though. I was rather upset in Cleveland because Christian (He's the high singer that was in Blacktop Cadence, right?) was rather drunk. I don't mind that, except on a few songs he just slurred everything... vocals (even more than usual), guitar parts, movements. It didn't ruin the show, but a few songs (around 4) were dramatically and negatively effected by it. That, in my opinion, is 4 too many.


maverick (November 15, 2002)

To FeedMyNightmare:

Hot Water Music is the best lyrical band in punk rock? Dude, are you drunk? I love HWM, I own every one of their releases, I even want to get their logo tattooed on my ankle, but shit man, their lyrics are not going to win any awards. They're all about drinking, being bros with each other, and "rising up." They've very, very vague.

Best lyrical band in punk rock... Haven't you ever heard of Jawbreaker?

This score is for your comment.


Anonymous (November 15, 2002)

So now its cool to not like Thrice, huh? Why? Because people other than you like them? This is one of the most retarded threads I've read on this board.

I saw three shows on this tour and I have to say that Thrice was utturly incredible every single time. The thing is, so was Hot Water Music. Its not a freaking competition people. Both bands have a ton of respect for eachother and they both write great music. In fact, every night I saw them, Thrice's bass player was telling the crowd (which was overwhelmingly Thrice's) to go buy HWM's new record. Now if that's not cool, I don't know what is.

Rather than try to divide and categorize everything, why don't we recognize that this was one of the best tours of the year: Curl up and Die/Time in Malta, Coheed and Cambria, Thrice, and Hot Water Music!

Anonymous (November 15, 2002)

again i say - Hot Water Music and Coheed & Cambria are the two best live bands. Thrice sucks.

Anonymous (November 15, 2002)

I went to the MOntreal show. HWM headlined. To make it quick and simple :
Coheed was kick ass and original. Thrice was very boring. I dont get what the fuss about. HWM, well they pretty much ruled. all the kiddies where their for Thrice, they seemed to love it. then they left. They missed one intense band. When HWM sing, the mean it. Anway for a quick recap : Coheed = great, Thrice = very average and HWM = great.

FeedMyNightmare (November 15, 2002)

I agree with Sickboi. You are now completly and utterly worthless. Someone should ban your dumbass from this board. HWM , in my opinion, is the greatest lyrical band in punk rock( well them and Fugazi). And theyre sort of hardcore? Are you a fucking douchebag? AHHH die. On the east coast people respect HWM and what they stand for. I attended both Pittsburg and Cleveland shows and as good as Thrice is, hot water still brought it. I was made complete when I heard Free Radio Gainsville. Read the lyrics to this song, then tell me what you think asshole.

Anonymous (November 15, 2002)

You dare to talk shit about HWM? You are an idiot and your opinion is now offcially worthless.


Anonymous (November 15, 2002)

You are the biggest fucking clown I've ever seen "Hot Water Music played the same song over and over again." I don't even know how to respond to something that dumb. All I have to say is if you weren't enjoying HWM's set then you dont need to be at this show. HWM headlined at the date I saw them too. I know for a fact Thrice are huge HWM fans so I'm sure they had enough respect to let them headline most of the tour.

evilash (November 15, 2002)

Yeah so i saw this show in Cleveland and Thrice is great but their drummer sucks live. He Was soooo SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWW. Oh yeah HWM hheadlined too

Anonymous (November 15, 2002)

Someone tell me why the fuck Thrice should headline over HWM? Thrice has two albums, one mediocre, one fairly good....HWM has got five STRONG albums, a weak Epitaph debut, and a solid live album....not to mention they are one of the hardest working and talented bands around, and they put on an amazing live show...

adam (November 15, 2002)

I think on all their Canadian shows How Water Music headlined over Thrice. At least they did in Toronto.

I wasn't able to make that show but everyone who did said it was full of kids for Thrice who all left before HWM even took the stage.

Thats a shame. I like Thrice (on record, I've never seen them live) but HWM is like 400x better.


Geetarchick (November 15, 2002)

Well the review itself was alright... i don't care too much about what you and your friends planned before the show nor do i care about the merch table being naked too much... but you gave your opinion on the show and thats swell... but i completely disagree with what you said about HWM and Coheed... and I was hoping someone would write about Time in Malta soon cause i have yet to see them... but anyway, Coheed played only 4 songs when i saw them and yes they were all long... but i enjoyed that a lot cause their songs on their album are pretty long... plus they kind of extended Delirium Trigger.. but anyhoo, about HWM, i dont think all their songs sound the same... they have a style that they uphold in their songs.. i dunno, the review wasn't bad, i think it coulda been better especially if you reviewed Time in Malta..

Anonymous (November 15, 2002)

This review sucks ass. Thrice sucks as well, mainly due to the bland vocals. At least HWM and C&C have distinct vocalists, PussyRock

Anonymous (November 15, 2002)

HWM sang a song with the line "its all sounding the same" because they were an anomoly within a generic music scene.

Shame on you for not being able to tell originality without it being filtered through bad metal riffs, and cluttered style.

WeekendSellout (November 15, 2002)

First off, when I saw this show, it was with Time in Malta instead of Curl up and Die. Time in Malta were so good live. I had their latest album beforehand and I thought it was good...but after seeing them live, I have even more respect for them.

Coheed and Cambria had some problems before getting here, so they couldn't really bring all their equipment. Anyway, the lead singer, Claudio, and their lead guitarist ended up playing an acoustic set. It was very cool, to say the least. I enjoyed them a lot.

Then, Hot Water Music put on one of the best live shows that I've ever seen. And before this, I had never even gotten into HWM that much. I liked them and all, but they didn't really do that much for me. But now, after seeing them live, I'm absolutely in love with their music.

And then Thrice...this was my fifth time seeing them. It was good, but by far not the best performance they've ever put on. Thrice is one of my favorite bands, yet...this night, they were kinda lackluster. Everyone at the show seemed to be there for them alone....which made it worse. It felt like an Nsync concert almost. All the teenage girls were constantly screaming for them...and the crowd seemed to only know the words to a few of their songs. I dunno...but Thrice seemed almost too cocky as a result. Definitely one of the worst performances I've ever seen them put on.

Either way, Co & Ca's music is hardly "uninspired." Their singer's vocals have more range than most of the music you listen to. And HWM's songs totally don't sound the same. Their music is so incredible and moving live...and for you to hear the blandness that you heard conveys total ignorance. Uh yeah, please, don't ever review a show again. That is all.

Anonymous (November 15, 2002)

To the guy below: Who said this was a job where people hire you. Anyone can review a record dipshit. Anyway this review wasnt that bad BUT, I did not know Thrice had guitar solos. I mean I wouldnt classify them as guitar solos. I think they maybe have two songs that are justified as a guitar solo. Anyway Teppi is the fucking shit. -SideLinedForLife

Anonymous (November 15, 2002)

This reviewer gets placed in my new genre of, "people that don't have a trained musical ear providing unaccurate, terrible advice." Honestly, why are people like this, that have no musical knowledge hired to do a job that requires musical knowledge! I hope you read this email, cry, quit your job, and then give it to someone who knows what they are talking about.

evildeadalive (November 15, 2002)

Well, I think you're review was pretty good, except for the fact I completely disagree with you on everything you said regarding HWM. Well that and the fact I completely hate just about everything you say. Ever. Please go away.

I kinda wish you didn't like Thrice, I'm a little embarrassed I like one of the same bands as you.

Saw this show in Vancouver,BC. C&C music factory sucked ass. God I hate Rush. Thrice (who were up next here) started off a little lackluster, but picked up the energy along with the crowd who completely loved them. Ended up being a great fucking set. And Hot Water finished off the night with another amazing performance. I can honestly say I never really got into these guys' albums, but live they never cease to impress.
C&C - 1 (sorry, can't stand his voice)
Thrice - 9
HWM - 8
overall - 8.5

travis (November 15, 2002)

wow, a lot of people are going to hate you for this review. but im guessing you know that. but at least you got the guts to stand up for it. definitely, i salute you.

but i have to disagree. i saw this show in new york and in seattle, and coheed and cambria was the highlight both times. claudio's voice was more amazing live than on CD, and they rocked out so hard.

and thrice and hot water music were both equally impressive. both are among my favorite bands, so it was nice seeing them on the same bill together.

i would have killed to see this show at the troubadour. i miss la.

Anonymous (November 15, 2002)

sounds just like the San Diego show, too many dipshits there just for Thrice and didn't notice that Hot Water Music is one of the finest bands you'll ever see live. I like Thrice, but HWM just owns everything and everyone. And maybe you'd prefer some basic voice ala Simple Plan, Allister, or some other shitty band as opposed to Claudio from Coheed having some range and a distict voice. Man, you're terrible.

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